1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: You can hear us from one until four and then 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 2: after four o'clock John Cobelt Show on demand on the 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: iHeart app. And today, I would definitely listen to the 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: podcast if you didn't get to hear the whole show 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: because Ken shampoebated appearance at two o'clock as we celebrated 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: OJ's death. And I've been watching the TV screens all afternoon. 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: All I see is OJ Simpson dead, O J Simpson dead. 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: I can't get enough of it. So anyway, Ken came 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: by for a visit. We played a number of old 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: clips and some audio of TV coverage of KFI and 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: OJ from years ago. So you'll want to listen to this. 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 2: It's a good entertainment this evening. And you know we're 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: gonna talk with Steve Berger now, and after Steve, I'll 16 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: go through a rundown of what our coverage was like 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: back in nineteen ninety four, nineteen ninety five, the inside 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: story of how we ended up covering it the way 19 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: we did and it turned into quite a sensation, so 20 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: we could relive that Steve Gregory covered the only trial 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: where Ojy was found guilty. 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: Everybody forgets this, and not only that. 23 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 2: I was sitting in the courtroom on that Friday night 24 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: when he was put into handcuffs and taken away, and 25 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: I'll never forget the sound of the clicking of the 26 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: handcuffs going around him because we had a microphone and 27 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: thirds in the time and we were taking it live 28 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: here on KFI. It was a late Friday night, at 29 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: ten o'clock at night, and you could hear, you know, 30 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 2: just a pin drop when the jury came back after deliberating, 31 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden that the jury four 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 2: person stood up there and said guilty twelve times, and 33 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: everyone was just like there was just these collective gasps 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: all over in the in there, and it was just 35 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: such an interesting moment. And then OJ's sister passed out 36 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: and collapsed in the courtroom. I mean, it turned into 37 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: this drama that just unfolded right in front of me. 38 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Everyone had been waiting so long. But some people had 39 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: been waiting so long for that moment. Others thought he 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: was getting by with it, and yeah, he seemed he 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: was teflot up until that moment. And it's you know, 42 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: bringing everyone up to speed. So we're we're looking back 43 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: in seven. This is twenty oh seven. He had gotten 44 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: together with some of his gang, his entourage, and they 45 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: were really pumping him up, telling him that this guy 46 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: was peddling his sports memorabilia from past years, trophies, jerseys, certificates, 47 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: and photos of him in college, and that they knew 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: where he was at and did you want to get 49 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 2: his stuff back? And oh, Jay said, I want to 50 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: get my stuff back. And what was interesting about it 51 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: just just gives you an idea of the kind of 52 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: company he kept. Those people were recording all the conversations 53 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: all this time because they knew what they were doing 54 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: was fed up. Oh, they were trying to jack him 55 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: up and get him hang and see. 56 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: What would happen. 57 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and so they met that at a bar, 58 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: and then they went to the hotel and it was 59 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: one of those CD like B level Sea level hotels 60 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: in south or north actually north of the Strip. And 61 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: they get in there and it was Bruce Frammong He 62 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: was the collector and he had the stuff spread out 63 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: and so the guy that kind of set it up, 64 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: sort of broker this deal. They all go in there 65 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 2: and you hear OJ losing it, saying, you know you 66 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: got all these is my stuff, you stole it, And 67 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 2: then Bruce Frammong's caught off guard and then turned into 68 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: this nasty thing. Well then all of a sudden, this 69 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: guy pulls a gun out in the hotel room. 70 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: OJ's buddy. When OJ's buddy. 71 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: Pulls out a gun, now it turns into kidnapping an 72 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: armed robbery. Now, kidnapping is the most serious of the 73 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: two crimes. So when it happens and then they get 74 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: their stuff and they get out, they're all laughing and 75 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: patting themselves on the back from mom calls the cops, 76 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: and cops show up and tell them what's happening. They 77 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: look at the video and they're like, yeah, that's that's kidnapping. 78 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: And armed robbery. Wow. 79 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: So the moment he pulls out the gun turned everything 80 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: into various felonies totally. 81 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Now. 82 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: OJ claimed all the way up through the trial, as 83 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: we sat there every day, he claimed that he had 84 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: no knowledge that someone had a gun with him. He 85 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: claimed that he was just going there to get his 86 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: stuff back because it was stolen from But defense attorney 87 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: Yale Galanter out of Florida and Gabe Grosso, who was 88 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: his Vegas attorney. They did not convince that jury, and 89 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: after he was found guilty, they tried very soon after 90 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: to file an appeal based on the fact that the jury. 91 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 2: They claimed the jury was biased and all this was 92 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: was revenge for ninety four. I could see that that's plausible. Yeah, 93 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: if I was out of the jury, I would have 94 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: done that. And I recall it was interesting. I recall 95 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: that was such an interesting case. And I don't know 96 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: if you recall this or not, but it was very tense. 97 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: I mean, it was very covering. That was intense for 98 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: me because I was servicing your show, you know, the 99 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: handle Show, the morning show, the midday show, the night show, 100 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: the all of our network affiliates, and I mean I 101 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: was I thought I was having a heart attack one day, 102 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: you know. 103 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever knew that. 104 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: I had to call my doctor because I thought I 105 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: was having a heart attack from all the crap I 106 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 2: was eating, no sleep, you know, the food, the junk food, 107 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: all the crap that was going on. 108 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: Was your whole life? Why was my whole life? Would 109 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: so you know? 110 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: But then that was back, that was back when we 111 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: were covering those kinds of things. I was out there 112 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: what two months, almost three months, Yeah, and so it 113 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: was a pretty stressful event. And it was fascinating to 114 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: be in the courtroom that night and seeing him he 115 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: put in handcuffs and taken away. And then he served 116 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: just a little over eight years. He got eight and 117 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: a half to thirty three years. And he was such 118 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: a model prisoner that he finally was up for parole 119 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: and he got it. And I remember sitting in that 120 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: parole room in Carson City, Nevada, with the Prison Commission 121 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: of the Corrections of the Parole Board rather up in 122 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: Carson City, and he sat there and he was this 123 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: model prisoner. He was a mentor to other inmates. He 124 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: was a janitor, he was a cook's assistant. He did 125 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: all these little menial tasks in prison. And they said 126 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: he was just a docile, gentle old man. 127 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: And he seemed to weather the experienced pretty well. Well. 128 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: I mean he came out and you know, it didn't 129 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: look like he was broken really, you know, because in 130 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: prison he was a star. He was still a start 131 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: of those guys. Those guys looked up to him. He 132 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: was a big fish in that prea. He got affirmation 133 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: every day, every day, which fed into his narcissism. Yeah, 134 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: maybe it was somehow more pleasant than coming back outside, 135 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 2: because out in the real world he wasn't a big 136 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: fish anymore except to a small group of people, right, Yeah, 137 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: his his loyal friends, but you know, much of the public, 138 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: I'm sure he heard constantly all kinds of ugly things 139 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: yelled at him. Yeah. Listen, well, there were a lot 140 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: of people that just loved it, thought he was a 141 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 2: celebrity and they wanted to have their pictures with him. 142 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: But you got to remember during the trial. I remember during. 143 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: Breaks, he would walk to the back of the courtroom 144 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: where we're at, and he'd come up and start talking 145 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: with us. He'd say, hey, fellas, how you doing. And 146 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: then he'd say, hey, you know, are you staying here? 147 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: Where you guys from and say you know, we're from 148 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: La and blah blah blah. And then all of a 149 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: sudden he's like, well, you know any good places to eat? 150 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 2: If you've been there, and said I got a good 151 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: Italian place. Then I'll never forget when he said, how 152 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: many of you guys here are married? And it's like 153 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: one guy in the whole row and russ of Us 154 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: are single, and he's like, hey, you know, I guess 155 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: if I ever need some company, I know exactly where 156 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: you can get a date. The Las Vegas Athletic Club. 157 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: He says, some of the best looking women there. I'm like, really, Ojay, 158 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: you're about to go to prison. But he but that's 159 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: the kind of demeanor he had. He didn't, he did, 160 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: he did, this was just another performance. Well, you know, 161 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: you talked about his narcissism, and you know I would 162 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: read about this, but oj was like the real life, uh, 163 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,119 Speaker 2: poster child for what narcissism is. Sure, and they're usually 164 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: quite charming, and they can be pretty smart and charming 165 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: and really draw you in and and that's that. And 166 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: then there's a dark side. You know, if you don't 167 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: worship properly, Nicole tried to break away. If you don't 168 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: worship properly, yes, exactly right. You know, they have to 169 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: be worshiped. They need constant attention, they need their ego 170 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: needs constant maintenance, and they get really upset very quickly 171 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: if they're not the center of well love. He was 172 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: also the victim of domestic violence for how long you know? Yeah, yeah, 173 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: she bruises and to prove it. But I know we're 174 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: running out of time, but I have a special treat 175 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: for you if you want it. Well, big boy, what 176 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: how would you like to talk to one of the 177 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: first responding officers to the murder scene. 178 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: I would He's ready to go after the break, Is 179 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: that right? 180 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? 181 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: Right, yeah. I did not know. 182 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: I've known him for years and did not know he 183 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: was one of the first officers on scene and had 184 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: to work the whole scene that night. He's got intel 185 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: he's never talked about before. Nicole, you're talking about no, 186 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: talk about the murder scene. The murder scene. Yeah, Bundy 187 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: on Bundy Okay. He was one of the first on 188 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: scene and he said, I tie. I said, can you 189 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: come on talk this afternoon? He goes, yeah, well definitely, 190 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: We'll put him on a break. Okay, thank you. 191 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 192 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 4: six forty today. 193 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: It's all OJ and you'll enjoy it. You should listen 194 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: to the whole thing. If you haven't heard any of 195 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: it so far, you're you're just joining us. We had 196 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: Kennon Ken Champeau came back. He was on for a 197 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: segment at two o'clock and we've been playing some clips 198 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: from the OJ coverage in the nineteen nineties and telling 199 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: stories from behind the scenes how he ended up covering 200 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: OJ in such a such an intense way for all 201 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: those years. Now, let me see is where we're getting them. Okay. 202 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: Steve Gregory was just on and he was talking about 203 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: covering the only trial that OJ was found guilty, and 204 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: that was stealing his own memorabilia back and being charged 205 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: with kidnapping. And that was when he and his buddies 206 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: burst in on these memorabilia dealers who did have a 207 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: bunch of OJ's old stuff. Then one of he accomplishes 208 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: pull out a gun and it turned into felony charges kidnapping. 209 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: What was the other big charge kidnapping? Armed robbery, armed robbery, 210 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: that's right, And at the end he goes, I got 211 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: a surprise for you, Lieutenant Dan Gonzalez from LAPD, who 212 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: was there at the Bundy murder scene. 213 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: The murder scene. 214 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: I've known Dan for many, many years, and he's just 215 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: someone that used to I used to interview for stories 216 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: and stuff. He used to always pop up and there's 217 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: always really good with the media and we just became 218 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: friends over the years, and he's texting me all this 219 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 2: stuff this morning about how you know. He's like, oh, 220 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: I remember when this happened. 221 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: He says. 222 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: I was first at the crime scene where we had 223 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: to sneak sneak the kids out the back, and then 224 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: responded to Rockingham to notify OJ, who wasn't home. I mean, 225 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: he's given. I was like, what, you were there? And 226 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 2: all these years I had no idea. Well, let's get 227 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: Dan on Dan Gonzalez, Lieutenant, how are you hey? 228 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: John? You good to talk to you? 229 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have a secret. 230 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, after all these years, you finally tell me you've 231 00:10:58,559 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: been keeping this under your wraps. 232 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: And I could have been using you on the air 233 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: all this time. 234 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: I guess I never thought about it because I'm quite frankly, 235 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: and I was listening to John because I suffered from 236 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: the exact same thing that Johnson suffering from is when 237 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: this all went down, because I was at both scenes 238 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 3: and so involved in it that when we found out guilty, 239 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: it was like depression. Like I've never watched a single 240 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: TV show. I couldn't watch the court TV stuff. I 241 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: just I couldn't do it because it just it just 242 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 3: do it. The saddest thing I've ever seen. I mean, 243 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: I mean I think we can. I mean, if I 244 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: just talked about what I saw, they would take an hour. 245 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: But I can give you guys a couple of bullet points. 246 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: But like when we got there, you know that we 247 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: expected that the kids were found inside. The door was open, 248 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 3: they except the kids at the back. And then when 249 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: we later we cleared the scene, you know, we went 250 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: by the station and the daughters crying and sobbing, and 251 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: we're we're getting stacks and uh breaking up the saddest 252 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: thing ever and getting your drinks and the little boy 253 00:11:54,440 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: is crying and Patty is the sister saying, I'm sorry, 254 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: all right, I don't know what's going on, but mom 255 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 3: will come and pick us up stone. 256 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: And this was this was after mom was. 257 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 3: Killed, After Mama was killed. The kids at the station 258 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 3: and all the cops were in there just doing everything 259 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: they could to control those cops to control those kids, right, 260 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: and and no difference has been given to those kids 261 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: about their mom being murdered by their dad. And John, 262 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: I'm telling you this crime scene was not complicated. There 263 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 3: was one set of footprints that went out the back. 264 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: There's probably about fifteen of us there, and we saw 265 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: the glove, we saw some the envelope, while we saw 266 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: the some ski mask or a beanie thing that was there. 267 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 3: This was not complicated. It was not a complicated conferension. 268 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: We had figure somebody killed them. We saw pictures of 269 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 3: O James had the house. We figured somebody somebody whacked 270 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: his ex wife. You know, nobody ever really taught much 271 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 3: of it. 272 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: Right, and so this is important. You didn't immediately think. 273 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: Of a Ojay. It didn't seem possible. It must have 274 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: been some somebody else. That thatsity. Yeah, no, I that's 275 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: the same reaction too. At the time. 276 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and I was twenty six, I had three 277 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: kids on my own, and and you know, I kind 278 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 3: of felt for those two kids that were there, and 279 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: I just said, I couldn't fathom him doing something like that. 280 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: And I didn't know. 281 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 3: Him, but I knew he was really popular with the 282 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: cops and they could play tennis up at his house 283 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: if you called over there. He had these fancy tennis 284 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: courts that some some other singer had built to that 285 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: house years ago. And he didn't play tennis, so he 286 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 3: let us go play at tennis. I didn't play tennis, 287 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: So I did everyone up there? 288 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess, And then a lot of your 289 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: colleagues showed up, right, and yeah. 290 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: Colleague showed up. And then when the captain showed up, 291 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 3: the textis showed up. Me and my partner recleared the 292 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 3: scene because we were working the people robertson car and 293 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: we go back to People Robinson area and now about 294 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: four in the morning, I get I get a message 295 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 3: on my computer. He called called the watchmanders. I called 296 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: the We had to go to a pay phone and 297 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 3: call the watchmander, and the watchmander said, hey, they're door 298 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: knocking Rockingham. Can you guys jam up there? And they 299 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: wanted they wanted to notify Oja to come over and 300 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: pick up those two kids. So we scoot up there 301 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 3: and we go on Rockingham. We see this bronco kind 302 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 3: of park at the exit clearly is the exit gate, 303 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: and we meet me up with the detectives and then 304 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: they show us, Hey, there's something weird about this bronco 305 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: and we shun a light aside him. There's a shovel, 306 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: a plastic tarp and a towel, and there's too something's 307 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: going on. And then so then we so, uh, Mark Furman, 308 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 3: he's gonna hop over the fence, so we help him 309 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: go over the fence. He unlatches it, and we go 310 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 3: inside and there's nobody answering the door, and we go 311 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 3: to the back and we don't do doing off this 312 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: cabana thing, and then out comes Brian kalin Kato, right, 313 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: and he comes out and he says, We're like, well, 314 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: what do you do here? And he's like, I just 315 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: live here and we're like you pay rent? He said no, 316 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: are you OJ's friends? He said no, not really, and 317 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: then we take him out and then I have a 318 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: long conversation with him for like an hour or two. 319 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: And that's that was That could be a whole other story. 320 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: And then we grab yeah times over the years and 321 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: uncle ahead. 322 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: Did you testify in the trial? 323 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: Not in the criminal trial, but I testified in a 324 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 3: civil trial. And that's the link I sent to uh, 325 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 3: Steve and Dave. And I'm not a good I'm not 326 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: I'm not a detective. I don't testify her well in 327 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 3: the stand and this reporter captures all that. 328 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was stuck. 329 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it is that. I mean, I don't know, 330 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: it's my wife thinks that my kids think it's I've 331 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: never changed. I'm the same guy. So yeah. But anyhow, 332 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: so we grab our mail out. She doesn't know where 333 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: he dad is, so she calls it should be going. 334 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: She takes us inside and we call the secretary and 335 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 3: the secretary sais he's in Chicago, and she was like surprise. 336 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 3: So we go outside and we search, kind of checking 337 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: the ground, and then Mark goes, hey, check this out, 338 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: and we walk over there and there's a glove like, oh, 339 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 3: no way, this can't be the same glove. 340 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: That's oh a, So you left one glove at Bundy 341 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: and then there was one glove at Rocking Hand. 342 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but there was a whole bunch of us there. 343 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: There was no planting of evidence and all that stuff. 344 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: This thing was super simple. I mean, there was there 345 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: was nothing to it. The only thing that got jammed 346 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: up was all the press and just the I don't know, 347 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: the immaturity of society back then. You remember Natural Born 348 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: Killers came out that year and that was such a hit. 349 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: But you think about the premise of it, and people 350 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: were all excited about it. They didn't look at the 351 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: fact that you know Ron, you know, he's murdered for 352 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: simply returning glasses. I mean, there was nothing the fairy 353 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: is going on when he was returning those glasses. And 354 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: then and the two kids didn't deserve to have their 355 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: mom killed. But John, if I can share one quick 356 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: story phrases, it's something very fascinating that you said earlier 357 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: about going to the Ambassador Hotel after it happened, right 358 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: after the verdict, after. 359 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: The verdict, Yeah, walking to the Ambassador Hotel to cool offs. 360 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: So about two months after this whole incident happens, maybe 361 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: somewhere around their area. I'm just working regular patrol and 362 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 3: I get cut off by some mustang with the tin 363 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: windows this at night, and I pull it over and 364 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 3: I walk up and the door opens and or the 365 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 3: window opens. The guy hands me his vicens and his 366 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 3: name is, uh, Jason Roosevelt Kennedy Simpson, and I said huh, 367 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 3: and in relations he goes, now that's my dad. I'm like, oh, man, 368 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: I go I was actually I was there. I feel 369 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: bad that this was. You know, you're okay, He's like, yeah, 370 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: I'm working as a chef. Things are good. I said, 371 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 3: that's where all my kids. My kids, my boys have 372 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: two middle names. Why do you have two middle names? 373 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 3: He said, well, my godfather is Rosie Greer and he 374 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 3: helped kich Sir hanster hand I said, Sir Frians for hand. 375 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: So he goes, so my dad put those two names, 376 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 3: and that's that's my name. 377 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: Oh I see, Yeah, so that was that was OJ's 378 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 2: son that you ran into. 379 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 380 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: Son, Do you know there was a theory and there 381 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: was a theory that Jason is the one that killed him. 382 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 3: No, no, no, he's nice guy. No, nowhere near the 383 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: house it was one I have set a footprints leading 384 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 3: to the back and there was the Bruna Moogli's shoes 385 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: that are detectives screwed up the case and couldn't get 386 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: that in his evidence. So I me believe we is 387 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 3: at the police department and I'm getting to retire since 388 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: I'm there our department. Yeah, I don't really give a 389 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 3: crap anymore of this stuff that they they There's no 390 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: reason to take blood from yourself that can take it back, 391 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 3: to take it back fifteen miles to the crime scene. 392 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: There was no reason to do that. Yeah, right, And 393 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 3: the fact that the remember the processing of the Bronco, 394 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 3: that Bronco will change places like five different times before 395 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 3: they finally process that thing, so of course the evidence 396 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 3: never got in. I said, it's pretty significant. There's a 397 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 3: shovel in the back of his bronco OG's not shoveling anything. 398 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 3: The man doesn't shovel it. 399 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. 400 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: Oh, Jay had had other plans too, all right, Yeah, Dan, 401 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: thank you for coming on with us. I was really 402 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: fascinating to hear a real surprise. Dan Gonzales, lieutenant with 403 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: LAPD who was first on the scene at the murder 404 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: scene when Nicole around Simpson and Ron Goldman got murdered 405 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: by OJA. 406 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM 407 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 4: six forty. 408 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: We've been devoting the show to oj Simpson's death that 409 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 2: I'm deliriously happy about a few things I want to mention. 410 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 2: I talked with Gary and Channon earlier in the day 411 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: about a couple of these things just in conversation with them, 412 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: but I wanted all our regular listeners to hear about 413 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: these stories as well, and one of them is connected 414 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: to what Lieutenant Dan Gonzalez said. He was the first 415 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: one of the first officers to appear at the scene 416 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: on Bundy where Ron and Nicole were murdered, and if 417 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: you heard he and the other officers, none of them 418 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 2: suspected OJ right away. 419 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: A lot of them knew OJ. Oj was very popular 420 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: with the. 421 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: Cops, and he played tennis with them and socialized, and 422 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: so he was a friend of the police and the 423 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: police were friends of his, and so there was no 424 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: pre judging that OJ was guilty. And I remember when 425 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: we went on the air the Monday after the murder. 426 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: They got killed on a Sunday night, so this is 427 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: like six o'clock on Monday, and I even listened to 428 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: the tape a while later we ken and I didn't 429 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: think OJ did it. It never occurred to us like 430 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: it couldn't be, because partly we kind of swallowed, you know, 431 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: the marketing, the fake OJ that was presented to us, 432 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: because he did do a good job at that and 433 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 2: we just had just no reason to believe that that 434 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: would happen. So there was no knee jerk reaction for us. 435 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: And we were accused later on of every terrible racial 436 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 2: crime in the world for thinking Oja was guilty. And 437 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: that was that was our coverage. The reason our coverage 438 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: burst out was it was obvious he was guilty. You know, 439 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: all the blood evidence, the DNA evidence, the trail, everything 440 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: that Dan Gonzalez talked to, whereas a lot of other 441 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: people in the media tiptoed around it, and the public 442 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: very quickly caught on to how guilty this guy was, 443 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: and so us presenting the trial from the angle he's guilty. 444 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: How are his dirt bag dream team attorney's going to 445 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: weasel him out of it? How stupid is the jury? 446 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: How easy is it to manipulate the jury? 447 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: And you know, in. 448 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: Retrospect, arguing about the evidence all that time was kind 449 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: of a waste of time because clearly it was just 450 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: payback for the Rodney King verdicts. That's really how simple 451 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: it was. It didn't matter what the evidence was. It 452 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: doesn't matter of the DNA, the blood, you know, the gloves, 453 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: you know, Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden. No, because the 454 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: makeup of the jury came from the downtown pool instead 455 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: of the Santa Monica pool, there was going to be 456 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: an element of payback for Rodney King. Of course, nobody 457 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: knew that at the time, and that's why it became 458 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: such a shock for most people were operating under the 459 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: guise of well here's the evidence, here's the rational logical verdict. 460 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 2: But there was no rare chance at that that was hopeless. 461 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: In fact, as we went to the trial, and you 462 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: may not believe this, I didn't think we were even 463 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: going to cover it much. We had covered all the 464 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: happenings in June of that year with the Bronco chase, 465 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: the murder of the Bronco chase, and eventually him getting 466 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 2: arraigned in court, and things went quiet for a while, 467 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: and there were some pre trial hearings, but January started 468 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: the trial, and we were going to cover it, you know, 469 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: maybe a segment every day if the news warranted. And 470 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: then Ken and I came back from a trip. We'd 471 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: gone to Washington, d C. Doing some political shows, maybe 472 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 2: on immigration. I don't really remember when we came back 473 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: on Our program director at the time, David Hall, picked 474 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: us up at the airport, and you know, it's always 475 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: a little nerve wracking. We just started. We were only there. 476 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: Oh were we there like a year and a half? Yeah, 477 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: two and a half when the murder happened. Two years 478 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: by time the trial and he shows up and he goes, 479 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 2: I want you to go all oj all the time, 480 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: because we'd been thinking it was burned out. We would 481 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 2: think that the audience was tired of it. Maybe we 482 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: were tired of it, and it had been a whole 483 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 2: summer and a whole fall of it. And now, you know, 484 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: a lot of times trials are anti climactic, they're just 485 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 2: the PS, oh, it's obviously he was guilty. 486 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: Ps. 487 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, they really convicted him because really nobody, nobody saw 488 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 2: this coming. But what had happened. I think it was 489 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 2: in January of that year, can X, one of our rivals, 490 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: had done wall to wall coverage, which sounded boring to 491 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: most of us, because you know, there's a lot of 492 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: slow talking and dead air when you cover a trial. 493 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: But people were eating it up, and so we went 494 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: to all oj all the time mode and just got 495 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: an into enormous audience because we covered it exactly the 496 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: way we saw it. We were aggressive, we were allowed, 497 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: We were telling people the truth that this whole trial 498 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: was going to turn that could turn out to be 499 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: a scam, that these were all false stories. You know, 500 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: Johnny Cochrane was a world class, highly paid professional liar, 501 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 2: and so were the rest of those They were really there. 502 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 2: They were just rats. They had they were sociopaths. It 503 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 2: was a collection of sociopaths. It was a collection of 504 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: people who just wanted to get paid a lot of 505 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 2: money from oj and they were willing to say anything 506 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 2: to get it. And they knew they had a jury. 507 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: I mean, that was that was prime for that message. 508 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: It was bad jury selection on part of the prosecution, 509 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 2: and so everything eventually became this huge shock, and that's 510 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: why we were all so emotionally immersed in it, and 511 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: that's why it just stuck with us thirty years later, 512 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: and that's why this is an important day that he 513 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 2: finally finally dies. 514 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: It was an incredible time to live through. Well more 515 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: coming up. 516 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Kobels on demand from KFI AM 517 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 4: six forty. 518 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: Caitlyn Jenner set out a put out a nasty post 519 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 2: online to commemorate Ojy's death. Good riddance O. J. 520 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: Simpson. 521 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: Do you know what Caitlyn Jenner once wrote about Simpson? 522 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: She wrote a memoir back in twenty seventeen that oj 523 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: was the most narcissistic, egocentric, neediest a hole in the 524 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: world of sports I've ever seen, and I believe he 525 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 2: got away with two savage murders. 526 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: That was. 527 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: I mean, he was married to Kim Kardashian. I'm sorry, 528 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 2: he was married to Chris Jenner, and Jenner was married 529 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: to Robert Kardashian, who was OJ's best friend, and then 530 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: the card then Chris Jenner gave birth to all the 531 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: Kardashs and Jenners that we know today. That's just a 532 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 2: really tainted gene pool and social circle, isn't it. 533 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: And it's been dogging us, now what for thirty years. 534 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 2: I tell you, Cony's going to be here in a minute. 535 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: Just one last thing I want to say is just 536 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: for me personally. The whole OJA experience that really, it's 537 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: gonna sound funny, just kind of shattered my innocence and 538 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: I realized what the world really was about. I realized 539 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: the justice system was something that you couldn't trust. You 540 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 2: couldn't trust that district attorneys to make the right decision, 541 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 2: gil Garcetti and you couldn't you couldn't trust the prosecutors 542 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 2: necessarily to be competent. You couldn't trust you know it. 543 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 2: It was pretty clear, and I think Lieutenant Dan Gonzalez 544 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: alluded to it. There was a lot of sloppiness on 545 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 2: the part of LAPD and on the part of the detectives. 546 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: You know, nobody came out looking good in this. 547 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: But what I always thought is the only way to 548 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 2: approach these things is just look at the facts of 549 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 2: the case. And it was obvious. You know, he murdered 550 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: and that's it. And maybe everything else is true, Maybe 551 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 2: LAPD is a bunch of racists, or the detectives are 552 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 2: incompetent boobs, or whatever the story is. But in that moment, 553 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 2: it's impossible to dispute that OJ was the guy who 554 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: killed Nicole and Rod and everything else that consumed nine 555 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: and a half months of trial and thirty years of 556 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 2: debate is all beside the point. I was just reading 557 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: a column in the La Times about all we're all 558 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: in our different bubbles and we have our different points 559 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 2: of view and why can't we agree and it's all 560 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: about the race debates and you know society. It's like, no, no, no, 561 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: just focus on the blood DNA. That's all you need 562 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 2: to know. It's a five second verdict. It's that's it. 563 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: It's the blood trail. There's nothing else to debate here. 564 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: Need to get into all those other issues or have 565 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: those other issues. Uh, taint your decision or taint a verdict. 566 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 2: Conway's here, Hey. 567 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 5: Now, I remember I was in Canada when OJ thing 568 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 5: came down, and you know when when people text you 569 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 5: you know it happened this morning. So everyone's texting each other, Hey, 570 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 5: OJ died. And then everybody has to make their jokes. 571 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 5: You know, he ran out of juice, which is a 572 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 5: good one from somebody on the show. And and then 573 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 5: there's like, oh, you know, the the real killer never 574 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 5: be caught. You know, everyone has their line, but the 575 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 5: best one I heard today is Chloe Kardashian. The rumor 576 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 5: is that OJ is Chloe Kardashian's dad, right, And I 577 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 5: think it was Greg Gutfeld that said, look, you may 578 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 5: have lost a dad today, but you still have two moms. 579 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: That's really heartworming. That's a good Runny, Yeah, that's a 580 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: good one. That's a great one. 581 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can say it on the air, 582 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: but that's a good one. 583 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 5: Jim Moore coming on with us from Inside Edition, and 584 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 5: then Jeff Walld who started that KTLA Morning News. 585 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: They covered that wall to wall like like you guys did. 586 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: Was in the CNN. 587 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, exactly, exactly right, Steve Gregory was all over 588 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 5: that story. So we're gonna we're not going to do 589 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 5: wall to wall, but wall to I don't know, open 590 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 5: window or whatever, the to the staircase. 591 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah right, maybe maybe. 592 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 5: But I remember listening to you guys and I just 593 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 5: heard the story coming in, and I didn't know that 594 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 5: you guys were told to do that, to go wall 595 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 5: to wall by by the program director. 596 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 3: Uh. 597 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: I didn't have a strong opinion on it. I was worried. 598 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: We were already burning out the story, right, We all were, 599 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: you know, because we'd been living with it for six 600 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: months already and at the time there hadn't been anything comparable. 601 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: So we had no roadmap to say, can we actually 602 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: take this, you know, for another six months or. 603 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: People going to listen to it? We didn't know. 604 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: kN X went first and then we thought, all right, 605 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 2: there's an audience for this, we'll just make. 606 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 5: It interesting, right And and look, it was responsible for 607 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 5: a lot of people's career. A lot of people covered 608 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 5: that trial are still working in show. 609 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: But so it wasn't so much in order. 610 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: It's just kind of a discussion. It's like this, maybe 611 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: this is the way we ought to go. 612 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly. 613 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, but but man, listening to to you guys, you know, 614 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 5: I remember that the entire time, listening you know, online, 615 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 5: not online, but listening on the radio. 616 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: And then you know, you couldn't. 617 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 5: Miss it because back then there was no way to 618 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 5: listen to it afterwards, right, So we had you had 619 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 5: to be in your car, you had to be on 620 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 5: the radio, or you had to have a friend somehow 621 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 5: tape the show. 622 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I know that that. That was the beauty 623 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: of that era, right is. I think you'd get more 624 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: you get more audience that way because they have to 625 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 2: be there. 626 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: They have to be there. You can't listen to it 627 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: later on. Nobody agrees with me. But or you had 628 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: to have. 629 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 5: Like a buddy of mine who recorded your show and 630 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 5: then listen to it later and uh not a chick 631 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 5: magnet by the way, guy recording afternoon yeah Am talk 632 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 5: radio and then playing it later for the gals. 633 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 2: That's Hey, you want to come over my house Old 634 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: John and Ken show. We're talking about OJ today. 635 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: All right. 636 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 2: Michael Clasure with the news live in the CAFI twenty 637 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: four our newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to the John 638 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 2: Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear the show live 639 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: on KFI Am six forty from one to four pm 640 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: every Monday through Friday, and of course anytime on demand 641 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app