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Speaker 1: This is the Jesse Kelly Showay, the Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 1: Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful,

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Speaker 1: fantastic Thursday. Remember we got Brandon wik At about a

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Speaker 1: half hour from now talking Russia, Ukraine, Iran and net

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Speaker 1: and Yahoo stuff. We have Carol Roth next hour, but

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Speaker 1: we have other things we have to discuss, and there

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Speaker 1: are lots of them. Communist lies is on the list.

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Speaker 1: I have a fear about how bad the Democrats are.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I'll explain what I mean, But first I'm

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Speaker 1: going to talk again in a different way, about trust,

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Speaker 1: institutional trust, why it really matters in what's happening out there.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna use this example because people, it can

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Speaker 1: be confusing. What actually is power? What is short term power?

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Speaker 1: What is lasting long term power? So let me explain

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Speaker 1: the difference. Let's say I am. I am in charge

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Speaker 1: of the police department. I'm the police chief. Small town,

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Speaker 1: pretty small town. We're in West Virginia. We're in rural

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Speaker 1: West Virginia, and it's a twenty person police department. I

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Speaker 1: take over. I'm the police chief. I am an evil,

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Speaker 1: corrupt human being. Now I use my position as police

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Speaker 1: chief to fill up my twenty person police department with

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Speaker 1: other evil, corrupt people, and we will deal drugs, we'll

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Speaker 1: commit murders, we'll do whatever with the authority of the

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Speaker 1: police department. In fact, if you, because you're part of

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Speaker 1: my town, if you make me angry, if I decide

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Speaker 1: I want you out of the way, maybe you witnessed

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Speaker 1: me commit a crime, I have the power to gather

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Speaker 1: my men, my guns, and myself and come out to

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Speaker 1: your home and kill you, arrest you, shoot. You say,

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Speaker 1: that's short term power. I have that, But that's not

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Speaker 1: long lasting, tangible power. And here's what I mean. If

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Speaker 1: I do that once twice, ten times, how many times

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Speaker 1: do me and my officers, how many times do we

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Speaker 1: have to commit a crime or do some kind of

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Speaker 1: horribly corrupt thing until the people of my community decide

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Speaker 1: they no longer trust me, they have declared me to

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Speaker 1: be the enemy. And at some point in time, I

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Speaker 1: the town. At some point it will happen. These things

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Speaker 1: don't happen without end. Now, why why did I end

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Speaker 1: up dying in losing my power because I lost the

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Speaker 1: trust of the people, and that that is long term,

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Speaker 1: lasting institutional power. And that's the most important kind of power.

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Speaker 1: I realized. For the individual you when I showed up

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Speaker 1: to murder you, none of the long term stuff matters

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Speaker 1: because you're going to die in the short term. But

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Speaker 1: on a long term scale, on a thirty thousand foot

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Speaker 1: view scale, what matters for the institution. For my police department,

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Speaker 1: the most important thing is that the people trust it

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Speaker 1: will have power forever. If I violate that, if I

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Speaker 1: lose that, the people will take their trust away and

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Speaker 1: my police department in the end will be completely powerless

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Speaker 1: at some point in time, no matter how long that takes.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's twenty years, thirty years, but it will happen.

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Speaker 1: I saw this woman. She is affectionately known on this

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Speaker 1: She used to be in charge of Planned Parenthood. She

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Speaker 1: now is obviously a contributor to CNN. She goes on

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Speaker 1: there to talk about medical things. She goes on there

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Speaker 1: to lie because it's CNN. She was ranting and raving

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Speaker 1: Here's what she said.

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Speaker 2: This is the reason why we look to guidelines. There

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Speaker 2: are medical organizations that synthesize these data. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: we look up to the CDC, or at least throughout history,

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Speaker 2: And this we have always throughout history depended on our

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Speaker 2: federal agencies as the gold standard for expertise.

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Speaker 1: Really, these federal agencies, we have looked up to them

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Speaker 1: as the gold standard for expertise. Okay, she's actually not

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Speaker 1: wrong about that. It we hop at a time machine, you

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Speaker 1: even ancient history. Twenty fifteen. And you ask Jesse if

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Speaker 1: But if the CDC put out a warning, hey, don't

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Speaker 1: it's the CDC. So twenty fifteen, Jesse did very much

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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm looking at a headline here, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: Chinese COVID strain spreads to the US. Immediately, I went,

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Speaker 3: Of course, I strongly believe that indoor masking should be

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Speaker 3: the case, including it in really in all schools in

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Speaker 3: don't have masking, parents can still do their part and

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Speaker 3: take matters into their own hands. For example, talk to

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Speaker 3: cloth face covering, because that helps to protect your child

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Speaker 3: better them try to get the school to also disclose

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Speaker 3: all positive cases and increased testing. That's something that there's

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Speaker 1: Why doesn't anybody trust these gold standard expertise organizations anymore?

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Speaker 1: Because you took down the outdoor basketball hoops, because you

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Speaker 1: told an entire country of three hundred million people to

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Speaker 1: You arrested a paddle boarder in the ocean on camera

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Speaker 1: outside paddle boarding by himself. And you did all this,

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Speaker 1: all this using medical expertise as your shield, and you

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Speaker 1: now you're finding out it's not. It's finite. You know,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about Harvard earlier in the show, Harvard

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Speaker 1: this and Harvard that and Harvard this.

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Speaker 1: I know Harvard has had a blast pushing communism into

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Speaker 1: American society. But whether or not Trump stomps him into

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Speaker 5: I think going into this, I think a lot of

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Speaker 5: Well, why don't we take a look at high confidence

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Speaker 5: and higher education. You go back a decade ago, fifty

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Speaker 5: That number has plummeted, plummeted as of last year, down

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Speaker 5: to thirty six percent. We're talking about a thirty six

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Speaker 1: Two thirds of the country just a little while ago, yesterday,

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Speaker 1: two thirds of the country, when they heard names like Harvard, Stanford,

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Speaker 1: heard the numbers. Two thirds of the country. When you

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Speaker 1: here we go. And in the end, Harvard is finding

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Speaker 1: out what we've talked about over and over and over, agun.

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Speaker 1: Harvard is finding out what the FBI found out, what

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Speaker 1: found out. They're all finding out what Jesse tried to

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Speaker 1: warn everybody about years ago. Trust is necessary, and trust

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Speaker 1: is not an infinite supply. You violated enough times, people

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Speaker 1: only true power you had, long lasting power, was the

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Speaker 1: trust they gave you, the legitimacy they gave you. Once

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Speaker 1: more in a second hand. This is a Jesse Kelly show.

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Speaker 1: It is the Jesse Kelly Show. On a fantastic Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We have Brandon Wiker coming up about ten minutes from

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Speaker 1: now to do all kinds of foreign policy nerd out things.

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Speaker 1: But right now we're having another talk about trust. And

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Speaker 1: I want to be totally upfront and honest and crystal

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Speaker 1: clear about this. It's really important that we have institutions

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Speaker 1: we can trust and do trust. I don't celebrate where

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Speaker 1: we are, and you shouldn't either. It's a picture a

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Speaker 1: And she gets drunk and passes out on the couch

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Speaker 1: be gone. Now that child, out of its own self interest,

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Speaker 1: because when mom says she'll make dinner, assume she's lying.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go fend for yourself, get your own dinner.

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Speaker 1: The child should remove the trust for his own survival.

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Speaker 1: But on a bigger level, this is a terrible situation

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Speaker 1: because a child should have a mother. When she says

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Speaker 1: she'll make dinner, the child knows he'll get dinner. Exact

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Speaker 1: same thing happens with citizens in their institutions. I want

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Speaker 1: you to know that none of this is normal, and

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Speaker 1: none of this is Okay, you should have a medical

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Speaker 1: establishment you can trust. You don't, and so you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: trust them, but you don't. And that Look, we'll focus

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Speaker 1: on medical because that's what we were talking about. Witch. Here,

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Speaker 1: let me be honest with you about something in my

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Speaker 1: own life, totally honest with you. Why do I talk

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Speaker 1: so much about natural things now, natural solutions, naturalness. You've

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Speaker 1: about the medical establishment. Why, well, they have violated my

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Speaker 1: you want to know why? Do you want to know

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Speaker 1: the real reason why? I mean, I've told you real

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Speaker 1: reasons before, But why is it? What? Chalk is a

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Speaker 1: great example. Why do I love Chalk so much? Well,

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Speaker 1: the way I look at Chock Chock's natural herbal supplements. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: The way I look at Chalk is Chok keeps me

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Speaker 1: away from the doctor. That is my goal. And you

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Speaker 1: know what I hate that? I actually wish I had

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Speaker 1: a medical establishment that I trusted for everything, a doctor

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Speaker 1: I trusted so much. Every month, every two months, I

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Speaker 1: go check in with the doc. Doc, this is what's

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Speaker 1: going on? This and that. Now, don't don't have any

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Speaker 1: of that at all. Well, you know what I take.

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Speaker 1: I take a mal vitality stack from chalk every day.

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Speaker 1: I take that not only because it makes me feel better,

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Speaker 6: And if he is, we'll respond a little bit differently.

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Speaker 4: There, Well, I think everybody needs to remember, as fun

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right a lot. Chris is used to that

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Speaker 1: Don't get involved, Okay, So not to get too sidetracked.

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Speaker 1: the world are cutting them off. If we start getting

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Speaker 1: more friendly with Russia, where does that leave China.

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Speaker 4: Well, that would technically, you would think you would leave

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Speaker 4: them in the odd man out position. And I think

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Speaker 4: that's what Trump and his people around him, the ones

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Speaker 4: that know what's going on, I think that that's the hope,

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Speaker 4: that's the ambition, is to overtime divorce Russia and China

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Speaker 4: from each other by favoring Russia over China. This is

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Speaker 4: what Nixon did in reverse during the Cold War, and

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Speaker 4: it ended up actually setting the table that allowed for

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Speaker 4: Reagan to ultimately defeat the Communists the Soviet Union without

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Speaker 4: firing shot. Whether that's possible it's a little bit different now,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, But I do think at the very

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Speaker 4: least we can nudge Russia away from its total commitment

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Speaker 4: to China. Ultimately, Russia is aware, they're keenly aware that

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Speaker 4: China views them as a junior partner. And I can

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Speaker 4: assure you that Vladimir Putin does not view himself as

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Speaker 4: a junior partner to anybody, and at some point he's

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Speaker 4: not going to want to be treated that way, either

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Speaker 4: certainly publicly or even behind you know, closed doors. Eventually,

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Speaker 4: the limits to that supposedly limitless friendship he has with

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Speaker 4: g will be tested, especially as Trump offers a lot

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Speaker 4: of you know, tasty carrots, you know, come work with

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Speaker 4: us instead. We're still a much better market than is China,

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Speaker 4: and I think that Putin is looking for a better deal.

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Speaker 4: We just got to be willing to offer him at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, limitless friends are hard to come by. Okay, Brandon,

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Speaker 1: can you stay and just answer a couple more questions

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Speaker 1: about Trump and Net and Yahoo? Just sure, real quick? Okay,

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Speaker 1: we will be right back with more Brandon Weikert. Before

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Speaker 1: the Jesse Kelly Show. On a fantastic Thursday, reminding you

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Speaker 1: that tomorrow's ask doctor Jesse Friday. He needed to get

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Speaker 1: your questions emailed in now to Jesse at Jesse kellyshow

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Speaker 1: dot com. We are back with Brandon Wikert, national security expert.

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Speaker 1: You need to go buy his books and you'll learn

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Speaker 1: a lot more than you will in school. Okay, Brandon.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is famously close with Israel. As you and

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Speaker 1: I've talked about this before. We've talked about it on

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Speaker 1: the air before. This is as vocal as I've ever

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Speaker 1: heard him separate from them when it comes to Iran.

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Speaker 1: He's talking about net and yaku. He told him to

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Speaker 1: back off. He told, what's going on here? What does

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Speaker 1: Trump want out of this deal?

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Speaker 4: Well, what Trump is trying to do is he's trying

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Speaker 4: to get to see this is not even He's just

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Speaker 4: trying to see if it's possible to get a real

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Speaker 4: reliable deal with Iran that secures not only the peace,

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Speaker 4: but our security by extension, by the way, the security

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Speaker 4: of our allies in the region, not just Israel, but

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Speaker 4: it includes Israel as well, but also the Arab States

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Speaker 4: as well, who are also threatened by a nuclearizing Iran.

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Speaker 4: But he can't do that. If Iran is blowing up

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Speaker 4: the place or threatening to blow up the place, I'm

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Speaker 4: sorry Israel. If Israel's threatening to blow up the place,

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Speaker 4: which Israel is threatening to do. And so you know,

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Speaker 4: Trump has asked politely net Nyahu, you know, just keep

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Speaker 4: your powder dry. Let's just see where the negotiations going

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Speaker 4: after that will reassess. But net Yahoo cannot do that.

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Speaker 4: And I think this is part because Netta Yahu is

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Speaker 4: politically his survival is on the line. Let's face it,

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Speaker 4: he missed key indicators and warnings as Prime Minister of

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Speaker 4: the impending Hamas attack on ten to seven. He knows

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Speaker 4: that at some point the Israeli Parliament, Daness and Israeli

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Speaker 4: security is going to do an after action, a thorough

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Speaker 4: after action report, and eventually he will be blamed on

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Speaker 4: some level, because the buck ultimately stops with him. He

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Speaker 4: will be blamed for those failures on that day, and

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Speaker 4: he likely will lose his next his political future. Furthermore,

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Speaker 4: he was under all these criminal investigations before ten to seven,

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Speaker 4: and all that sort of evaporated into the ether when

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Speaker 4: he became a wartime prime minister. And this is why

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Speaker 4: I think on some levels cynically he's opened up multiple

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Speaker 4: fronts against these different countries, saying it's part of the

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Speaker 4: ten to seven response, But really I think it was

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Speaker 4: because he was just trying to double down to prevent

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Speaker 4: the ultimate reckoning that he was going to have to

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Speaker 4: face for mistakes he made as Prime Minister. So some

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Speaker 4: of this is self interest on his part, but ultimately

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Speaker 4: he is not interested in seeing the Trump administration even

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Speaker 4: try to negotiate. We don't know if this is going

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Speaker 4: to work out. I'm skeptical because of how the Iranian

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Speaker 4: regime is, but at the same time, Trump is probably

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Speaker 4: the greatest deal maker in history. So why don't we

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Speaker 4: let the man work and see what happens, you know,

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Speaker 4: before we just write it off. There's absolutely no reason

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Speaker 4: to rush into what will be another regional war that

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Speaker 4: could trigger a third World War in the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: Brandon, you mentioned October seventh, and I have many friends

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Speaker 1: in Israel and outside of it who, when you know,

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Speaker 1: when we have discussions about it, they have a lot

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Speaker 1: of questions about that day, not necessarily accusations, but there

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Speaker 1: are people who want to understand how it's possible. Maybe

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Speaker 1: the most capable intelligence network on the planet. Given its size,

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Speaker 1: Israel's how you could miss a thought thousand person raid

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Speaker 1: with paragliders into your country. So without being King Sinek Jesse,

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Speaker 1: how's that possible?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, the sort of non conspiratorial answer is

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Speaker 4: they got complacent, and we know that the Israelis when

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Speaker 4: it came to Hamas not necessarily has blow, which Israel's

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Speaker 4: always taken more seriously and they should because it's a

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Speaker 4: more comprehensive threat. But when it came to Hamas, particularly

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Speaker 4: under Netsan Yahu, there was the policy they nicknamed it

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Speaker 4: mowing the grass, which is basically every so often the

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Speaker 4: Israelis would come in and sort of knock out a

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Speaker 4: handful of targets in the Gaza strip and sort of

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Speaker 4: keep the Aas threat under wraps. What people didn't realize

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Speaker 4: is under the table the Israeli government, Netanyahu's government, was

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Speaker 4: quietly paying off Hamas to basically not attack, to keep

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Speaker 4: things quiet as best as possible, so that NETANYAHUO could

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Speaker 4: have a kind of clear laying field at home in Israel.

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Speaker 4: But what nobody seemed to realize is that they thought

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Speaker 4: they were buying loyalty from these Hamas leaders. Or at

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Speaker 4: least buying their cooperation. In fact, those Hamas leaders who

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Speaker 4: are committed to the destruction of Israel were taking that

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Speaker 4: money and using it to rebuild their war machine that

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Speaker 4: we saw come on display on ten to seven. On

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Speaker 4: some level, the Israeli military, the Israeli intelligence services were

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Speaker 4: both complacent about the threat from Hamas, and they were

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Speaker 4: very arrogant. They didn't actually think Hamas was the real threat.

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Speaker 4: They thought Hesbla, they thought yourn, They didn't think Hamas

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Speaker 4: was significant of a threat. They were proven wrong, and

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Speaker 4: I think you saw that. There's obviously more conspiratorial things

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Speaker 4: stand down orders for instance, and why wasn't net Yahoo

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Speaker 4: more on this given the size of the attack, etc.

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Speaker 4: Et cetera. I will leave that to a different day

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Speaker 4: to talk about, but I certainly have theories on that.

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Speaker 4: But basically, I do think a key component of this

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Speaker 4: was complacency plus arrogance about the Hamas threat on the

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Speaker 4: part of the Israeli security services. There's also a chance,

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Speaker 4: given what we know about what was going on with

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Speaker 4: Netanyahuo's legal issues. You know the same kind of lawfair

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Speaker 4: used against Donald Trump last year was used against Netan

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Speaker 4: Yahoo by the Israeli version of the FBI, the shin Bet.

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Speaker 4: There is a chance that they didn't brief Netan Yahoo

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Speaker 4: fully on the threat, and he didn't take action because

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Speaker 4: he wasn't brief fully and it might have been part

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Speaker 4: of a kind of a deep state conspiracy to make

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Speaker 4: net Yahoo complacent so that they could then tend this

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Speaker 4: on him down the line and get him out, because

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Speaker 4: we know the Israeli deep state does not like Netan Yahoo.

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Speaker 1: Well, glad to see we're not the only ones with

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Speaker 1: these problems. He is. Brandon Wiker, Thank you, my friend,

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Speaker 1: as always for giving us a bit of your time

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Speaker 1: and wisdom again today come back, so I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: very much. Foreign policy is a complicated affair, isn't it. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's why we always talk about that. It's so complicated,

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Speaker 1: different motivations, different divisions inside of the country. You're trying

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Speaker 1: to strike a deal, but there's divisions inside of that country,

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Speaker 1: but you're not also working with a different country. It's

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Speaker 1: all of it. I'll listen to any of it. I

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Speaker 1: and die? My dog Hank died of cancer. Terrible thing.

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