1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 2: You know, we've been really looking forward to this interview 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 2: for a long time. My co host Ashley is sad 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: she can't be here, but she did just announce her pregnancy, 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: so she is, you know, chilling out nesting as they 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 2: call it. But we've talked about the two of you 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: outside of our show very often. There is very few 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: people in this world that I think and there's a 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: lot of people that wanted you guys to date. There's 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: very few people that wanted you to date more than Ashley, 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: I believe it. Yeah, she really solid at the mansion. 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: Justin and Susie, thanks for joining the almsten this podcast. 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 3: Thanks for having us, Thank you. 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: Thanks coming out here. I mean, this is a big 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: deal for you guys to come out to Carmel to 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: hang out. We were just talking about the fact that 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: you haven't been here before. I have been coming with 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: iHeart only for the last like five years. Bo I 20 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: come once a year, maybe twice a year. This is 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: one of the most magical places I think in the US. 22 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's been pretty cool. I mean we've only 23 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 4: been here a day, but even just talking. 24 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 5: About walking down to the beach. 25 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 4: The vibe, seeing the golf course sounds pretty dreamy. I'm 26 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 4: excited to I mean, I'm happy to be here on 27 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 4: the podcast, and I'm also excited to get the day started. 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys gonna get it out of here. But 29 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: we do have a lot of questions for you. You know, 30 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: I think when we were last with you was at 31 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: the Bachelor Mansion. Yes, Ashley was able to sit down 32 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: with the two of you. She called me right afterwards 33 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: and said that you two were not dating, and I said, 34 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: there's zero chances are not dating. Hannah was actually on 35 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: the call for this conversation. I was like, I was 36 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: in an interview, but there's zero chance to very attractive 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: people are this good of friends, and they haven't at 38 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: any point looked at each other and been like, no, 39 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: let's just make this work. 40 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: Well, you know that was the case for a long time, 41 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: long time a year. 42 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, So they're basically to set the record straight. We 43 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 4: kind of put ourselves back in time when we did 44 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 4: that interview. I mean we exaggerated it and we like 45 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 4: leaned into the funny aspects of like the dynamic. But 46 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: for about a year we were just friends. But it's 47 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 4: not like I didn't think about it during that time, 48 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 4: Like there weren't It wasn't like there was never physical 49 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 4: attraction before, but we never really addressed it. If they're like, 50 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 4: I don't know if Justin was or not, but or 51 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: if we just fell in love with my personality. You know, 52 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 4: I'm a personality gal. So I'm joking, but yeah, I 53 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 4: think that we kind of we just agreed. We were 54 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 4: like we were still feeling things out. Things were great, 55 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 4: but we were just like, I just don't know, this 56 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 4: is the time to like launch our relationship and let 57 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: everybody into our personal world. Like we hadn't really talked 58 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 4: about navigating it publicly, so we kind of just went 59 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 4: back in time. 60 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: And everything we said was true. Timeline was a little foggy. 61 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: I uh, okay, I'm more curious, Like I'm I'm going 62 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: to do this interview out of curiosity. Yeah, my first 63 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: question for you the two of you, so you obviously 64 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: were friends for a year. You said there are moments 65 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: that it was just the two of you together, like 66 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: this wasn't like you were talking in groups. 67 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 6: So we talked about all the time, like when when 68 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 6: she comes over now and we're like cuddled up watching 69 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 6: a movie. I think, like last week, I was like, 70 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 6: isn't it weird that not too long ago we would 71 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 6: go over to each other's houses watch The Bachelor or 72 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 6: a movie whatever, and just be on opposite ends of 73 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 6: the sofa. We would do the same things we're doing now. 74 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 6: We would go get yo, go back, watch. 75 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 5: A show, and then I'd go home or you'd go home. 76 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: And it was like never weird, Like that's not like 77 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: it was never like we're sitting on opposite ends of 78 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: the couch. 79 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: We're like just good friends. 80 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 5: I don't know, not between us. 81 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 4: I don't have another like friend that I've done that 82 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: with that's a guy where yeah, I've never had that before. Really, 83 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: I mean I've had great guy friends. But yeah, I 84 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 4: mean we were really close. I think also we both 85 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 4: had moved to LA, so we didn't we do have friends. 86 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 4: We both have great friends in LA. It's wild how 87 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: amazing our friend groups are, how and how quickly we've 88 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 4: made that happen. But yeah, we Weirdly, I think we 89 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 4: just like really relied on each other and leaned on 90 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 4: each other having just moved to LA. So I don't 91 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: know it wasn't it was never weird. 92 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 2: I like, Okay, my second follow up question because Ashley 93 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: and I had this argument for forty five minutes. 94 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: I love that. 95 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 5: I wish she was here. I really wish she was here. 96 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 2: The interview would go in a totally different director like yeah, 97 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: I and I want you to tell me if I'm wrong. Okay, 98 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: When when, after the time with the mansion, we're talking 99 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 2: about this, I said, there's just no way they're not 100 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: like into each other because I don't know anybody at 101 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: my age. I'm thirty four. I don't know how old 102 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: you guys are, say twenty in her twenty, so like 103 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: anywhere from like twenty five. 104 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: To whatever that are just like. 105 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: Into each other as friends and not at all think 106 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: about like it romantically. Like I don't know anybody else 107 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: other than the two of you at this point at 108 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: you know, when that timeline was foggy, but you were 109 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: telling us you were just friends. It's like, I've never 110 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: known anybody just be friends who are single, attractive, looking 111 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: to date, obviously wanting love, wanting to find somebody. Do 112 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: you believe that people can just really be friends or 113 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: do you believe will always end up being like at 114 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: some point like should we just give this a shot? 115 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 6: So I think I think there's two answer, two parts 116 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 6: of that question. So the first and my dynamic with 117 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 6: some of my friends is different than Susie's because we've actually, 118 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 6: like Natalie, we've had this discussion as well. I actually 119 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 6: have a few female friends that I've never done anything 120 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 6: physically with. One of my good friends, Natalie, I went 121 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 6: to preschool with. I'm know since preschool, I'm still good 122 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 6: friends this day, never a single thing. 123 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: My parents love it there, so they've always been like, oh, 124 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: if like why not Natalie, if you're still single and 125 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 3: she's single. Well, they love Susie now, but it was 126 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: always like why not. 127 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 6: I'm like, it's just my friend and I've got work, 128 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 6: you know friends you know that are girls that you 129 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 6: know from my old job and I keep in touch with. 130 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: But I don't think we've talked about it. 131 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 6: I don't think Susie has like that many close like 132 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 6: guy friends, you know, like I still get lunch and 133 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 6: you know, hang out with you. 134 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: Know, so my girlfriends that I don't do anything with. 135 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: But so I don't know. 136 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 6: I think it's it's different, But I think for the 137 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 6: amount of time that you and I had spent together. 138 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: It probably would be far fetched to not have some 139 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: sort of attraction because those are friends. 140 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 6: There's like we keep in touch, you know, we don't 141 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 6: see each other all the time, Like she lives in 142 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 6: Germany now, you know, and so it's like we'll FaceTime 143 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 6: or call every now and then. But Susan and I 144 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 6: were spending more days than not together, So I think 145 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 6: it was kind of just naturally, and you know, inevitably 146 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 6: we were either going to form that connection or one 147 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 6: of us are going to be in a relationship, and 148 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 6: that our dynamic was gonna have to change. 149 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. 150 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it would be very weird if either 151 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 4: one of us were spending that much time together and 152 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 4: either one of us ended up in a relationship, Like 153 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be comfortable if my boyfriend was spending that 154 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 4: much time with a woman personally. And I also think 155 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 4: that there's like a like, at this point in my 156 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 4: life I'm seeking I'm actually not even seeking friendships. I 157 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 4: feel like I have so many amazing friends from child, 158 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: from college, from my different workplaces, and now moving to 159 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 4: LA I feel like I have a really great group 160 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 4: of girls that I've been able to make friends with. 161 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 4: I'm not like seeking male friendships at this point in 162 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 4: my life, and it actually is so weird that we 163 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: happened to become friends. The guys were kind of like 164 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 4: my bachelor connection in LA. Like I knew Justin from 165 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 4: the East Coast. I'd worked on a video project with him, 166 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 4: and we both happened to move to LA at the 167 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: same time. I knew Rodney and Nate from Clayton when 168 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 4: I was dating him, so they were all good friends. 169 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 4: And Rodney invited me to Easter at his mom's house 170 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: in California because I was out there alone, didn't have 171 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: anywhere to go, and so I mean I just kind 172 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 4: of ended up like in the dynamic with them, and somehow, 173 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 4: you know, we made content together, we had fun together. 174 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 5: They all were like very kind to me. 175 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 4: Like I remember thinking, I was like, Wow, I feel 176 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 4: like really grateful that I have people in LA who 177 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: are making an effort to like help me feel welcomed 178 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 4: and at home. And they were like truly just being 179 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 4: kind to me. And I knew them through different ways, 180 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 4: but they were kind of like my bachelor people out 181 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 4: in LA, and so I wasn't like seeking those friendships, 182 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 4: but I happened, they happened to welcome me in, and 183 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 4: nobody ever tried dating me from that whole. 184 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 5: Group, Like nobody ever. 185 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: You know. 186 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 4: I think we just all had a good thing going basically, 187 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 4: and it was like, you know, friends with their girlfriends 188 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 4: and you know, I dated a guy and they all 189 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 4: met him over the summer and stuff like that. 190 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't know's it would be. 191 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 4: We weren't as close as when I was dating that guy, obviously. 192 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: But and it did get interesting. 193 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 6: And this is before we even I don't know at 194 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 6: what point you thought about maybe something there. But when 195 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 6: we were the in Vegas, I was like loosely talking 196 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 6: to somebody kind of ish, and this particular person like 197 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 6: was not too keen on the amount of time I 198 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 6: spent with Susie and like because we were making like 199 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 6: funny videos and stuff like that, and it was like, okay, 200 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 6: let me take a step back, like I it's Susie, 201 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like we hang out as 202 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 6: my friend, We hang all the time. And then we 203 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 6: had a discussion like Okay, this probably would need to 204 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 6: the dynamic would need to change if one. 205 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: Of us were to date. 206 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 4: And I feel like I like that at that point, 207 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 4: I hadn't met her. I never didn't even really know 208 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: about it. You just were dat like casually dating somebody, 209 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 4: and that was the first time I had heard about it. 210 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 4: I was like I remember thinking, I was like, no, 211 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 4: I'd be pissed, Like I would not be I'm not pissed, 212 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: but I'm like, I wouldn't be comfortable like dating a 213 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: guy that had a friendship like this, Yeah, especially because 214 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 4: in the back. 215 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 5: Of the head, I'm like, because you're hot and I 216 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 5: want to. 217 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 4: Make out with you. 218 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: Obviously, I've been married for two years. I have girls 219 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: in my life who I've been friends with since childhood, 220 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: you know. There most of them are now married or 221 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: in a relationship. Like it would not like my wife, 222 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: and then it would not be weird for me to 223 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: text them be like hey, how's life, Like how's the kids, Like, 224 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: how's what's going on? Like we haven't talked in six months. 225 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: I think the difference would be the amount of time, 226 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: like if we were then like hey, Jess, I'm going 227 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: over their house tonight to watch a movie like that 228 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: just feels weird, Like I don't know anybody in my 229 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: life that's doing that without like getting weird. At some 230 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: point there is that like lack of like it's just 231 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: you know, that's not the person that like is it's. 232 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 4: Not appropriate appropriated. 233 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would push boundaries would be weird. 234 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: So that's where when I was with Ashiel was like, 235 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: if they're spending this much time together and they're like 236 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: making these videos and they're sitting and like have popcorn 237 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 2: on the couch, I guess some point you have to 238 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: look at him and be like, Okay, what are we 239 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: doing here. We're gonna be friends forever or it's this 240 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: friendship at some point gonna have to because we're gonna 241 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: move forward without each other into other relationships. 242 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: I want to start. 243 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: Then, when the moment became that you started to talk 244 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: about maybe trying this out romantically, I believe I've read 245 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 2: or heard that you you knew that, Hey, I'm starting 246 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: to develop feelings, right, Susie. 247 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 5: Like, first, yeah, I think that there. 248 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 4: I think I started to feel it, like probably a 249 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 4: couple of weeks before you had we had the conversation. 250 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 4: We had like flirted around with the idea, like I 251 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 4: think we were becoming more flirty, and I was like. 252 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 5: I remember, I don't know exactly what happened, but we said. 253 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 4: Something over text we'd been drinking, and then we never 254 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 4: talked about it for like two weeks. I went back 255 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 4: to the East Coast and it was like then we 256 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 4: were back in California for a week, and I remember 257 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 4: being like, well, if he really felt that way then, 258 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 4: like or whatever. I remember just thinking like that it 259 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 4: was like really flirty, and then it was like, Okay, well, 260 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 4: like nothing happened, So it had been like a couple 261 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 4: of weeks since the kind of like flirtiness had happened 262 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 4: or whatever, and I was like, well, you know what, 263 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 4: like we have such a good dynamic. We essentially are 264 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 4: kind of like co workers at this point, like we 265 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 4: make we do so much. 266 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 5: Of our content and work together. 267 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 4: I was like, I don't want to mess anything up, 268 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 4: and I genuinely appreciate his friendship. Yes, it would have 269 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 4: to change if I like dated somebody else, but I 270 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 4: genuinely appreciated him as a human. 271 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 5: And so yeah, I think I kind of was feeling that. 272 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 4: And then the night that it all happened, I guess 273 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 4: you'd been feeling it too, but we just hadn't had 274 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 4: an opportunity to talk about it until that night. 275 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, the texting thing. I feel like I was kind 276 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 6: of in a similar boat where I was like, all right, 277 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 6: we were like kind of drinking. 278 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: I was like, I don't want to like resurface it 279 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: if it. 280 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 5: Was like like they were just yeah, yeah, I was. 281 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 6: Just playing because we were we did have such a joking, 282 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 6: flirty dynamic. It was like, all right, at what point 283 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 6: are we like joking or not joking? 284 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 285 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 6: So I think there was just like a couple of 286 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 6: weeks of hesitation on both ends to like kind of 287 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 6: dive into it and see like if it was legitimate 288 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 6: or not, and. 289 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 4: Then justin bought some Twizzlers. 290 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 5: Changed Yeah, okay, I bought the Twizzlers. Yeah. 291 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: So we had been Yeah, so we had been in 292 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 3: Vegas for something. 293 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 6: Then we were at this restaurant opening and it was 294 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 6: a restaurant called has Salon, and they just like it's 295 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 6: like it's like. 296 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: A wild dynamic they have in there where they're just 297 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: like throwing meat around and like literally making dishes on 298 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 3: the counter. It's like very un sanitary when you think 299 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 3: about it. I'm like, this looks great, this feel looks great, 300 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: but like I might have to stomach, might be doing 301 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: cars a second, it was. 302 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 6: Wild, like guys are coming in hack saws, like banging 303 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 6: on drums and just like like chopping up chickens in 304 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 6: like the middle of the store. 305 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: It's weird. So anyway, I like, look behind. 306 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 6: I got to look over and see she's like in 307 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 6: the kitchen with the chefs, like making strawberry shortcake. 308 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, what the hell is going on? 309 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 6: And so she pulls out this strawberry and she was like, 310 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 6: should we Lady in the trampet? 311 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm down. 312 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: This is this is the first like are you talking 313 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: about the first time that like. 314 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: This is we were still friends, were still friends at 315 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: this point. Yeah, but we did. 316 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 4: I didn't drink a lot of tequila that night, like 317 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 4: I was. I was on a countertop, several countertops that night. 318 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: It's a rare form. 319 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 5: Yeah it was. 320 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: It was fun. It was a great time. 321 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 4: And so I suggested lady in the tramping lady and. 322 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, So then we did it. 323 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 6: And then that's the you know, Susie's first taste of 324 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 6: you know what this could be like. 325 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: So she was like, should we do it again? I said. 326 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 5: No, no, no, we missed it on camera. 327 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 4: Remember we filmed it filmed it and it was funny, 328 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, I'm like, cut out our faces. 329 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: And give us the details of how this actually is 330 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: a strawberry strawberry. 331 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: And there's a video, there's a strawberry. 332 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 6: And I was kind of like, is she like try 333 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 6: to touch my lips or are we gonna like it was 334 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 6: like a kind of a test. 335 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: I think we were both in our heads like wait 336 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: a minute. So then. 337 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 6: So then fast forward to a couple weeks later when 338 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 6: we're back in La and we went to seven to 339 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 6: eleven and we got some twizzlers and we're waiting for 340 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 6: an uber. 341 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: So I was like, should we leading the trumpet? 342 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 4: And I wasn't as tipsy that night? Run it back 343 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 4: and I was like and that's when I was like no. 344 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 4: I was like justin. I was like, we can't do 345 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 4: that unless you're serious, and he was like like he 346 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 4: was just being funny whatever, and. 347 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: So then it was a different tone. 348 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, I. 349 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 4: Was like, no, we can't just like leading the tramp 350 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: our food when we're tipsy, you know what I mean. 351 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 4: But I don't know exactly the dynamic, but it was 352 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 4: basically we were I was basically like we can't cross 353 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 4: that boundary unless we're like crossing that boundary and like 354 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 4: making a decision to And then the uber comes and 355 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: We've got to twenty minute drive back and I'm like 356 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 4: and so we're just sitting in the uber like silent, 357 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 4: and Justin's like, we'll talk when we get back to 358 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 4: my house, and I was like okay. 359 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 5: And then we got back to Justin's. 360 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: House and we sat on his couch and we like 361 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: had a really honest conversation and you were just like 362 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 4: told me how you felt about me and that you 363 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 4: like think there's potential for more, but you didn't want 364 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 4: to like intrude or make me uncomfortable or make this 365 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 4: a weird dynamic and you respect me, and you're like, 366 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 4: even if you don't feel the same way, like, I 367 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 4: just want you to know I value you and like 368 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 4: want you as a friend in my life no matter what. 369 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 5: And I was like, no, let's make out. 370 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 3: Your response. 371 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 5: No, I was like I'm scared. 372 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 4: I literally was like I know he was like. 373 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 5: At one way, we were like what do we do now? 374 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 5: Like do we kid? 375 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, we talked about it, and then we were like 376 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 6: we're on the same page. 377 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: Like, well now yeah. 378 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 4: I literally was like, I'm so scared. I was like, 379 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: I'm so nervous. I was like, yeah, peaking through one eye. 380 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: So the I mean, this is wild, this is this 381 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: is so interesting, And I would love then anybody else 382 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: listening to this who might be in a similar situation. 383 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: Like I'm imagining that there's a lot of nerves and 384 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 3: there's a lot to be lost. Yeah. 385 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: Right, you were saying, I value you as a friend, 386 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 2: but like your friendship would never look the same if you, Susie, 387 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: were like, you know what, justin like we are just friends, 388 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: and like it'd be weird. 389 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 3: It would it would change. 390 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: You could still hang out and you might still have fun, 391 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: you could figure out how to but it would be different. 392 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: You're not sitting on opposite ends of the couch. You'd 393 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: probably be in your head at some point be like 394 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 2: he really wants to kiss me? Yeah, Like it would 395 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: have changed so that it takes a lot for the 396 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 2: both of you to like walk into that conversation. And 397 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 2: so anybody out there listening who's in a similar situation 398 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,239 Speaker 2: right now, what advice would you have for them, or 399 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 2: like what words of encouragement could you have for them? 400 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: As they might be getting ready or trying to get 401 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 2: ready to start to tell their friend, Hey, I think 402 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: I'm actually into you. 403 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 6: Well, i'd say for starters, if you're spending as much 404 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 6: time as Susie and I spent together, there's probably a 405 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 6: good chance for success right there, if you take that 406 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 6: leap of faith. But I mean, I I think, and 407 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 6: I'm just gonna address this from my approach. You know, 408 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 6: the way I looked at it is, you know how 409 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 6: much I value Tuesday as a person and our friendship 410 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 6: and our dynamic, and you know, this is all thoughts 411 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 6: that are going through my head before I. 412 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 3: Even kind of articulated it to Susie. 413 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 6: But I was like, you know, these this is kind 414 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 6: of the foundation of what I would want my relationship 415 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 6: to be built on. 416 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 3: I want to have somebody that's like a best friend. 417 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 6: You know that we have so much fun with and 418 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 6: we can just converse on so many different levels, and 419 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 6: the dynamic that we had was great and what I 420 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 6: would want in a relationship. So I'm like, Okay, on paper, 421 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 6: this is great. 422 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 3: I don't know if she feels the same way, and 423 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: so I I don't know. 424 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 6: I was kind of just like feeling it out a 425 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 6: little bit, and I think at a certain point, for 426 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 6: lack of better words, you have to kind of just 427 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 6: shoot that shot and address it in a way where 428 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 6: you make that person comfortable, like, hey, if you don't 429 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 6: feel the same way, it's totally fine, not weird at all. 430 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 6: But have you ever thought about you know, I don't 431 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 6: know that I would go in like, hey, like, I 432 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 6: like you, what do you think? I think it's you 433 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 6: just need to have a mature conversation and say, hey, 434 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 6: you know I would. I would assume that that person 435 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 6: knows where the other is in their dating life, and 436 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 6: you know what they may be looking for. I knew 437 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 6: what Susie was looking for. I knew what she was 438 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 6: all about. You know, she's not just like a She's 439 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 6: a very serious person when it comes to dating, very intentional. 440 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 6: And so I went into the conversation knowing that about 441 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 6: her and coming from the sample of like, hey, I 442 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 6: kind of know what you're looking for. 443 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 3: Here's where my head's at. What are your thoughts? 444 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 6: And I think we both were like, hey, if this 445 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 6: doesn't work, like no hard feel like it's all good. 446 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 6: But I think this is a super long winded way 447 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 6: of saying I think you just have to know that person, 448 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 6: know how to address a conversation and take the chance, 449 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 6: because what's on the other side of that You have 450 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 6: a friend that could get scooped up by somebody else. 451 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 6: Your dynam is going to change anyway, so why not 452 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 6: go for what you want. 453 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 4: That's a good point because the dynamic would have had 454 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 4: to change eventually. So yeah, it's like either if you 455 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 4: if you feel that way, like, shoot your shot respectfully 456 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 4: and understand that the dynamic will probably change after that, 457 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 4: whether it's good or bad. 458 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 5: But it's going to change anyways if you're that close, 459 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 5: like the. 460 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 6: Way we were, And I just don't like to live 461 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 6: my life with as cliche as it is with regret. 462 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 6: You know, I'm all in you the same way. I'm 463 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 6: all about taking calculated risks. You know, this wasn't like, 464 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 6: this wasn't a Steph Curry logo three point, you know 465 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 6: what I mean? This was I was. I was in 466 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 6: the arc, you know what I mean. I knew that 467 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 6: I don't know, I knew that you had weighed the risk. 468 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 6: There's a good change exactly. I had waded out and 469 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 6: I was like, okay, well, you know when we were 470 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 6: early on friends, I met the you know guy she 471 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 6: was dating and it wasn't weird, and you know, I 472 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 6: was like, oh cool, But I knew at this point 473 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 6: I was like, Okay, if I don't go for it 474 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 6: and she dates somebody else, I probably I would feel 475 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 6: some type of way, especially knowing that our dynamic is 476 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 6: going to change. So if that person you know is 477 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 6: in a similar boat and it's somebody you don't want 478 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 6: to lose in your life and you don't want to 479 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 6: have that regret you have. 480 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 3: I think it's pretty clear that you have to take 481 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 3: that shot. 482 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: I'm now intrigued with what's kind of next? So, like, 483 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: what what does your relationship look like now? Does it 484 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: still have the elements of fun that it had as 485 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 2: just friends? Yes, I guess that's my first question, Like 486 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 2: does you does your romantic relationship look similar to what 487 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 2: your friendship looked like? 488 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 5: I think so? I think it. 489 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 4: Uh. I mean, we laugh so freaking much, and we 490 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 4: were laughing constantly as friends. But I think there's this 491 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 4: moment when we started dating and I used to do weird. 492 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 4: So if I remember when I was walking across the 493 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 4: street and I was like walking the wattle, I was 494 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 4: like waddling and at the time, it was like I 495 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 4: didn't care if Justin thought I was attractive, Like it 496 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 4: was probably the most unattractive thing I could have done, 497 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 4: but in my brain it was really funny, and Justin 498 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 4: was like cry laughing, like we would cry laugh. But 499 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: I'm like, I did not care about like being at 500 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 4: attractive to him because we weren't dating and we didn't 501 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 4: start the relationship in a romantic way. So a lot 502 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 4: of the things that I do I consider to be 503 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 4: probably very unattractive often. But I remember saying to you, 504 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 4: I was like, I'm kind of like like shy almost 505 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 4: to like do some of the things that I used 506 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 4: to do, and you were like, no, you literally can't 507 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 4: take Like That's why I like you so much, because 508 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 4: like we laugh so much, we have so much fun together, 509 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 4: and that meant that actually meant so much to me. 510 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 4: It was really early on in dating because I like, wow, 511 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 4: he really does like care, like really does care and 512 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 4: like love me for me kind of a thing, like 513 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 4: I really feel like you appreciate me and all that 514 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 4: I am and you knew me for all that I was, 515 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 4: and I didn't put on like a pretty front for 516 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 4: the entirety of our first year knowing each other. So 517 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 4: we definitely still have like a really fun, flirty, ridiculous 518 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 4: and I think we have a ridiculous dynamic doing most 519 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 4: insane stuff. 520 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 3: It's probably too comfortable. Yeah that's good. 521 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 6: But that's why it was such a seamless transition because 522 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 6: we weren't trying to impress each other and we have. 523 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: Friends, so it was like you saw the good man. 524 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 4: Yes. 525 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, So then when we started dating, I was like, well, 526 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So we're like, we're super comfortable. 527 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 2: I mean that's actually huge, right, like being married, like 528 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 2: you have you're living with somebody, like you're sharing a 529 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: life with somebody. Being comfortable, there's still those moments, right 530 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 2: like Jess and I are going to date night and 531 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: we both like take a shower, clean up, but on 532 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: nicer clothes, Like you know, there's still some mystery that 533 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: we try to keep alive in our relationship, like you know, 534 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: just because we're in this thing for the long while. 535 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: Like, sure, humans are weird. 536 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: You can throw somebody off pretty quick, but the like 537 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: comfort of it is huge. 538 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, just a. 539 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: Few more questions for you. You start out as friends, 540 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 2: you were great friends. There was no romantic connection at 541 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 2: the beginning. Now that you've been in a romantic relationship, 542 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: it's been how long actually that you like, since you've 543 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: started making out October sixth. 544 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes it's like a little foggy. 545 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 2: So it's you know, we're four or five months into this, 546 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 2: have you had any relationship now arguments like yeah, yeah. 547 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 6: We and I don't mean that's like we and and 548 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 6: that's Kinna, I was gonna answer your previous question with it, 549 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 6: like there has been a learning curve as well, because 550 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 6: when we were friends, we never thought about anything. 551 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 3: It's like, there's we have no stake in the games, 552 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 3: like we're friends, you know what I mean, We only saw. 553 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't care, right, But once we started dating, 554 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 6: we we already knew a lot about each other, but 555 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 6: we were learning other sides of that person. And I 556 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 6: think it's been really important how we communicate and just learning, Okay, 557 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 6: why do certain things like how is your past affected? 558 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 6: And you know, encourage how you behave and treat different 559 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 6: situations and respond to certain things and vice versa, and 560 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 6: just learning about each other's upbringing and past relationships and 561 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 6: just how each other work has been big and yeah, 562 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 6: so there has been a learning curve, but I think 563 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 6: we're unfortunate for the way that Susie communicates, and I 564 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 6: think the respect and grace that we give each other 565 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 6: and just knowing that we're both willing and wanting to 566 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 6: make it work, you know, has been has been huge. 567 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 6: I haven't really had somebody that's been able to communicate 568 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 6: as effectively and rationally as Susie, So it's been it's 569 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 6: been good. 570 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 5: Wow, that's so nice to hear, because it knows anything. 571 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 4: I'm very irrational and crazy. 572 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 6: I think, I think anybody like I think. I think 573 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 6: a lot of people can kind of be stuck in 574 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 6: their own ways. But I think the good thing about 575 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 6: Susie like because I can be stuck in my ways 576 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 6: and Susie could also be stuck in her ways when 577 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 6: you're so used to you know, reacting and respond to 578 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 6: certain situations. But I think both of us have a 579 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 6: willingness and you know, desire to want to be better 580 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 6: for the person, so we're both super open to like, Okay, 581 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 6: how would you like me to respond in X y 582 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 6: Z situation? 583 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 3: Here's what I need from you? Right? 584 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 6: And it's not like I have dated people where it's 585 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 6: like no, my like, this is just how I am, 586 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 6: and I never want to date somebody that's like, well 587 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 6: this is how I am taken or leave it. 588 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 3: It's like okay to a degree, like yes, you should 589 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: be you. That's what I'm love about you. 590 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 6: But I'd also would love to work together to continue 591 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 6: to charge like a partnership version of ourselves, to work 592 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 6: together as a team, right, And so I think we 593 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 6: both have that willingness and desire to want to be 594 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 6: better for the other person and improve upon ourselves, and 595 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 6: we both know we have shortcomings. 596 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 4: And I feel like I'm so impressed with just the 597 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 4: things that I've communicated to you or have been like 598 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 4: like I think I am I'm very laid back in life, 599 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 4: but when it's a relationship, I have very high expectations, 600 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 4: which I feel like every not every, but a lot 601 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 4: of relationship. Like gurus say that if you lower your 602 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 4: expectations in life in general, you're less You're like your 603 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 4: happiness levels go up, and you're like less inclined to 604 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 4: be disappointed in your part partners. And it's like it's 605 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 4: not meant to be like, oh, have no expectations for 606 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 4: your partners, But I'm like I've always had really high 607 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 4: expectations for the people I date, like I just have. 608 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 4: I just believe that I believe I deserve like a 609 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 4: really good human being, and Justin is that. 610 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 5: But I think that I can be. 611 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 4: Really like like assume people know how to be the 612 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 4: person I need them to be, and I've had to 613 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 4: work on that. And I think a really interesting dynamic 614 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 4: to this is that I'm such an avoidant and maybe 615 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 4: you are too, I don't know, I don't know exactly, 616 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 4: but previously in relationships and in dating, I'm so quick 617 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 4: to be like I'm good, thank you, and like drop 618 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 4: somebody that might actually be a good person, but I'm like, 619 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 4: oh you, that was a big mistake, and I'm like, honestly, 620 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 4: like I don't deserve that, and a lot of times 621 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 4: that's true, and like you have to know your worth 622 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 4: and no one to walk away. And I've gotten really 623 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 4: good at that because I think I dated some not 624 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 4: so nice guys when I was younger, but with Justin, 625 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 4: like I think that there's things where I'm like, dang, 626 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 4: like I have a year of solid friendship, knowing his character, 627 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 4: like knowing who he really is. That some of the 628 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 4: arguments like that I really look back and I'm like, 629 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 4: I probably if it were anybody else would have been 630 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 4: like bye, even though it was nothing that you did. 631 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 4: It's just that that's how I was, Like I was. 632 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 4: I'm just so stubborn, I'm so comfortable with myself and everything. 633 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 4: But I'm like, I just we have so much bested 634 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 4: as like friends, that I really believe I know his 635 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 4: character and I've seen how he's like even going from 636 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 4: friends to dating, how he's like evolved and like kind 637 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 4: of like risen to the occasion. I guess you would say, like, 638 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 4: I'm as somebody with really high expectations, and I know 639 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 4: that's not always good in relationships, really high expectations. I'm 640 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 4: like constantly impressed with how even if I even if 641 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 4: you didn't know before, if I say it, like he 642 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 4: always is evolving and just being I needed to be, 643 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 4: which is kind of intense. 644 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 5: Probably. 645 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I think one of the key 646 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: things there is, like you said, in the past, you 647 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: would have been more willing to walk away, but there's 648 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: something special here where you're like, no, I know who 649 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 2: he is. I don't want to walk away, Like I 650 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: don't want to just drop this and move on I 651 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: think that's really a beautiful thing. 652 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 4: M hm. 653 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 2: I know I speak on behalf of all Bachelor fans, 654 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: and probably now just people who have started following you 655 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: guys because you put out hilarious stuff on social media 656 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: that have never watched the show. 657 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: We're very excited for you, guys. I mean and that. 658 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: I don't say that to like put unneeded to runnecessary pressure. 659 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: I just think it's a cool thing when two we 660 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: can see a story of if nothing else. So I 661 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: said this to my wife, I'll tell you this on 662 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: our first phone call. We were doing long distance. I'd 663 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: never met her in person. I'd messaged her on Instagram. 664 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: We were facetiming, and I made a comment to her 665 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: that she still sticks with her to this day. I said, 666 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: we've talked for like three hours. I said, if nothing else, 667 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: I met a really great friend out of this. She 668 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 2: hung up the phone and said, oh my gosh, I 669 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: just zone this dude. 670 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 3: And I was like, no. 671 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 2: What I meant by was like, I think you're great, Like, 672 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: no matter what, I think you're great. Yeah, then obviously 673 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: we get married. So but I say that to say, hey, 674 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: it's just cool to see a story of two people 675 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: who are friends try something out. I think it's a 676 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: story so many people can relate with, and probably some 677 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: people are stuck in right now going I don't know 678 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: if I can take that jump because I could lose 679 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: so much. 680 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: But for you two, you show us that, hey, it's worth. 681 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 4: It, right Yeah, And I think that was part of 682 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 4: why we kept it kind of a secret for so long, 683 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 4: is that we were like, if this isn't the dynamics 684 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 4: don't work, then we can walk away, and like, we 685 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 4: don't have to make this a huge deal. 686 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 5: We don't have to ruin our friend group or whatever. 687 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 4: But but yeah, that is a good little friend to 688 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 4: lover's trope. 689 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 3: Let's go. 690 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 2: Well, Hey, Justin and Susie, thanks for coming out here. 691 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: We hope it's a great day in Carmel again. It's 692 00:30:53,080 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: a beautiful place. Yeah, your story is incredible. We appreciate 693 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: your vulnerability. You're speaking to many. This has been Almost 694 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: Famous podcast and I've been Ben. 695 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 696 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.