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Speaker 1: Netflix original film on Corked, where he is the writer
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Speaker 1: finale uh Insecure will air in the middle of June.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversations, my man, apprentice Penny.
Speaker 1: Pretty good, pretty good. So I'll tell you something, Mr
Speaker 1: penn Im said, Mr Pendent, because I saw your movie
Speaker 1: twice and one day. So it's not often in my
Speaker 1: life that I can say I saw the same movie
Speaker 1: from beginning to the end. And we're talking about Uncorked
Speaker 1: that's on Netflix twice in one day. So that's a compliment, man,
Speaker 1: because of the fact that you know, first of all,
Speaker 1: he has some people in that I really loved the
Speaker 1: death nis Nisi Nash and Court Advance Um and so
Speaker 1: talk about But before I get into store, just complimenting
Speaker 1: all about the movie. Tell us about Uncorked the premise
Speaker 1: and how how you developed it. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: really started from a place of you know, I wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure I wanted to write, uh and direct
Speaker 1: a movie, and I wanted to you know, obviously, it's
Speaker 1: like I went to fund that felt kind of personal
Speaker 1: because I could sort of, um, you know, find my
Speaker 1: voice that as writing when you writing television, you know,
Speaker 1: you're often writing in other people's voices, and so I
Speaker 1: wanted to find mine. And I felt like I was
Speaker 1: a big I love father's son dynamic stories, and I
Speaker 1: often felt like with black fathers and son stories, usually
Speaker 1: the spine up why the father that I have conflict
Speaker 1: because the father was absent and I just wasn't my
Speaker 1: experience and like a lot of friends of my un experiences,
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to see and I thought, like
Speaker 1: white people get to sort of have a experience in
Speaker 1: my father some movies where they get the kind of
Speaker 1: be basic. Like if you think about Good World Hunting
Speaker 1: or Manchester About to See, you know that that that
Speaker 1: you can get to be kind of regular. And I thought,
Speaker 1: and being basically regular is what you find your humanity.
Speaker 1: And so I wanted to see if my men to
Speaker 1: be regular, not be you know, not about our pain
Speaker 1: or our trauma. Is just to sort of like, this
Speaker 1: is what life is like kind of an everyday basis
Speaker 1: for this family. And so that's sort of what drew
Speaker 1: me into like waiting to tell that kind of a story.
Speaker 1: Right now, here's the thing. Now I'm watching the movie
Speaker 1: enjoying it, laughing. It's kind of like almost like a
Speaker 1: drama day. To me, it's comedy with a nice little
Speaker 1: blended comedy stretched out through a dramatic movie with a
Speaker 1: lot of emotional values. It's a romantic story, is a
Speaker 1: family story, is a common of age story. So it
Speaker 1: had a lot of a lot of descriptive moments in
Speaker 1: the movie that I enjoyed, and but the detail that's
Speaker 1: what really uh took me back. The detail of what
Speaker 1: was what he was trying to accomplish, the lead actor
Speaker 1: is trying to accomplish. Talk about that, is that something
Speaker 1: personal or where did the detail come from? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean in my real life, the sort of jumping off
Speaker 1: point in front of the family was really like my
Speaker 1: my grandfather started her furniture story Compton in the fifties
Speaker 1: when my grandfather had a stroke and couldn't run at
Speaker 1: full time. My father would happen to be a college time.
Speaker 1: My father thought out of college, could no questions to
Speaker 1: ask and took over the business. And I was the
Speaker 1: next son in lawn to do that. And I didn't
Speaker 1: really want to do that. I wanted to be a
Speaker 1: writer and do other things. And so again I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about again like that that angle. And so
Speaker 1: I knew when I wanted when I was writing the
Speaker 1: story that I wanted one part of the family studies
Speaker 1: to be a family business, to be sort of more
Speaker 1: blue collar. Um. And so that's sort of how I
Speaker 1: got to barbecue. And I knew I wanted the son
Speaker 1: to do something that was a little bit more elevated
Speaker 1: and creative and the way that I was doing something,
Speaker 1: and I just felt writing would be kind of visually
Speaker 1: not really that interesting. Um. And I took a trip
Speaker 1: to Paris for a cousin's wedding decoration wedding, and I
Speaker 1: didn't even drink wine at the time, but I was like,
Speaker 1: if I'm ever gonna like wine, it kind of has
Speaker 1: to happen here, you know. It's like if you go
Speaker 1: to New Orleans, and don't like go Bo to New Orleans.
Speaker 1: You just maybe you just don't like go Bo. So
Speaker 1: I was like, Paris is the spot for wine and
Speaker 1: so if I don't like to hear and so I
Speaker 1: took a class and the guy made it really easy
Speaker 1: to understand one and what I was drinking. And I said, oh,
Speaker 1: like this should maybe be what the sun should want
Speaker 1: to do. This is kind of cool. And that's really
Speaker 1: how I stumbled into that arena. And I was watching
Speaker 1: documentaries and movies about songs and things like that, and
Speaker 1: it just became and obviously as you think about your
Speaker 1: like food and wine or digital pairings, and the way
Speaker 1: that the father obsessed about the wood is the same
Speaker 1: way that people obsessed about the grapes, and they became
Speaker 1: obviously very um you know, things that became connectors in
Speaker 1: the movie um once. But that's sort of how I
Speaker 1: found the world of wine. Well you know that I'm
Speaker 1: talking to the writer, director, and producer of Uh. I
Speaker 1: would say, hot, new movie there's on Netflix. I know
Speaker 1: we all in these pandemic TI. I would say hot
Speaker 1: because I watched it twice. I see you just get
Speaker 1: you know, I really loved the movie because my wife.
Speaker 1: She's a kind of seue of wine. Okay. So when
Speaker 1: I when I watched the movie at my office, I went, man,
Speaker 1: that the detail, you know that because he wanted to
Speaker 1: be a wine Somalia right and uh, and so that
Speaker 1: was his goal. His dad was, like you said, Uh,
Speaker 1: his father was a barbecue owner. He dropped out of
Speaker 1: school to be to take over the business, even though
Speaker 1: he wanted to be a teacher. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden that he didn't want to do it, just
Speaker 1: like you had in real life. You didn't want to
Speaker 1: do the furniture store. He wanted to be He wanted
Speaker 1: to be a condiseue of wine. He wanted to be
Speaker 1: and like he said, as a as a very exclusive
Speaker 1: club to be able to accomplish that task. And so
Speaker 1: so if I watched that, so I went. So I
Speaker 1: came home and said, I said, baby, uh, I want
Speaker 1: you to watch this movie because the detail in this
Speaker 1: movie about this wine because I don't drink wine, and
Speaker 1: so and so she was so so so you know,
Speaker 1: but I'm just amazed at the detail. Thats what I'm
Speaker 1: going on. And we're not talking about the how you
Speaker 1: were setting up the barbecue and chopping it up that
Speaker 1: that whole world, because that's my world right there. When
Speaker 1: you're talking about Memphis. You I'm from Houston, Texas. I'm
Speaker 1: a Texas boy. Grew up my nephew. He's one of
Speaker 1: the best bobbycue people. Yeah, he one of the best
Speaker 1: barbecue people in Houston, Texas. He got a little side
Speaker 1: stand recognized her. He was on Kelly Clarkson for barbecue,
Speaker 1: and so I know about barbecue. And so when I'm
Speaker 1: watching the detail of the barbecue and then I'm watching
Speaker 1: the detail on the whin, I'm going like, who is
Speaker 1: this guy? You know, I said, Wow, the details. So
Speaker 1: just talk about your attention to detail, Mr Penny. I
Speaker 1: gotta respect Mr Penny. You missed a penny on this show. Okay,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I'm gonna call you Mr.
Speaker 1: Big Daughter. Okay, yeah, I mean yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean we didn't like we don't keep it like that
Speaker 1: and uh but no, I mean, you know obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: I worked you know, on my other show from Insure,
Speaker 1: Like I've worked with a lot of amazing actors. When
Speaker 1: you learn a lot from you know, you know, like
Speaker 1: you know, you just learned like from people who just
Speaker 1: by how they work. And so that was one thing
Speaker 1: that I felt like the movie had to be a
Speaker 1: super spot on about it. It was like, like, you know,
Speaker 1: Memphis is one of the how equated like the Mount
Speaker 1: Russian cities the barbecue rights. So you got there. Surely
Speaker 1: you have Texas barbecue, you have you know those Carolina barbecue,
Speaker 1: you have this Is barbecue, and you have kind of
Speaker 1: you know St. Louis, Kansas City barbue, kind of like
Speaker 1: the barbecue. You know what I'm saying. The barbecue had
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, I mean it's real, right, And so
Speaker 1: so I knew because the obviously in the movie that
Speaker 1: the barbecue has to be so serious because that's the
Speaker 1: dad is placed as a premium. I like, how important
Speaker 1: the family business. So it's not just like you're doing
Speaker 1: barbecue in l A. It's like you're doing barbecue a
Speaker 1: place where like that's it's everything for us, and it's
Speaker 1: it takes care of our family. It's more than just
Speaker 1: the barbecue, right and so um so to me that
Speaker 1: that just had to be official and so we Enlisten,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Memphis barbecue places that are especially
Speaker 1: black family places, like we called cozy corner um, you know,
Speaker 1: barbecue shop. The places that we hired. A lot of
Speaker 1: the background actors that actually have lines all worked in
Speaker 1: barbecue spots. And so because I needed them to know
Speaker 1: what they were doing versus like having kind of extras
Speaker 1: coming in not really knowing what they were doing, they
Speaker 1: had looked like they knew. It was important that all
Speaker 1: the background people know what they were doing, and so
Speaker 1: that was grand. Then conversely, in the wine world, like
Speaker 1: we had what one of our actors who played one
Speaker 1: of the black song teachers is amazing black son named
Speaker 1: d Lynn, who was also a part of the inspiration
Speaker 1: for the movie too, and and so obviously to have
Speaker 1: him read the script and and really be teaching me
Speaker 1: as I was writing the script about wine and things
Speaker 1: like that. And obviously on the set we had another
Speaker 1: wine person they running rat issues like our on set person,
Speaker 1: like our day to day to make sure everything worked
Speaker 1: and make sure everything looks a hundred percent official in
Speaker 1: terms of how they hold their labs, how they you know, smell,
Speaker 1: how they taste, and how they how they do everything
Speaker 1: you know, was so again that level of detail because
Speaker 1: if you don't believe it, then you're just not going
Speaker 1: to be into the movie. And and and the fun
Speaker 1: part about it is that you used up and this
Speaker 1: is a good word, comedic word. You used ignorance to
Speaker 1: be funny. Like for instance, when he was saying he
Speaker 1: wanted to be a Somalia and they go, you will
Speaker 1: be you want to go to Samalia? You know, it's
Speaker 1: just like and he goes, I ain't said nothing about Africa.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like he's like, you know, your your humor,
Speaker 1: your writing style, man is dead on. But again you
Speaker 1: gotta have the talent to be to pull that off.
Speaker 1: And you're casting and was dead on man dead on?
Speaker 1: I I would know. I won't tell the movie, but
Speaker 1: the Nissy Nash relationship, uh, just coming out there just
Speaker 1: just niece is just brilliant. And uh and then according
Speaker 1: to advanced his role as uh as a dad man
Speaker 1: that he if any black man is over for you,
Speaker 1: that's your dad. That's that's courting advantage your day. He
Speaker 1: was your day. And so I was looking at my dad.
Speaker 1: You know the statement he has come out by racism
Speaker 1: but anything, it was just irreverence. But it was just
Speaker 1: about the whole process. And then the sun and I
Speaker 1: want you to say his name, because I messed up
Speaker 1: the lead guy who who really carried this role throughout
Speaker 1: and really sold that sold me on the fact that
Speaker 1: it could actually happen for this young man. But it's
Speaker 1: a journey. So I just we're talking about the movie
Speaker 1: on Cork and I just wanted to compliment you on
Speaker 1: the ability to put a dynamic family story, wrap it
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Speaker 1: trying to find himself and seek an opportunity along the
Speaker 1: way that he doubted himself and he kind of believed
Speaker 1: in himself, then he doubted himself. In the end he
Speaker 1: made a decision that this is what I want to do.
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Speaker 1: such an amazing costing um director that she was the
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Speaker 1: I mean they're just also great. And see I got
Speaker 1: a peak that this movie was coming down the line
Speaker 1: because I had a young mentor young man I mentioned
Speaker 1: when he was an actor way back in the day
Speaker 1: when he was trying to act with a sister sister.
Speaker 1: His name was Dotari Turner. And yeah, yeah, he came
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Speaker 1: put this on my social media, put it in my newsletter,
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Speaker 1: And again I'm recommending everybody, uh to see this movie.
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna see it again because I'm a type
Speaker 1: of person. I'll sit down, tell you I watch it again.
Speaker 1: Come on, I watch again. That's how good it is.
Speaker 1: I watched again. Let's let's go to the see your
Speaker 1: other serious it's just you know, just got renewed. Let
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Speaker 1: The girls, man, they mad at each other. They but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to the show, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: give away the show. But this has been a dynamic
Speaker 1: season man for for the relationship of the Ivan and
Speaker 1: so talk about the steps of Oh, you know, because
Speaker 1: I got a feeling I know where it's going because
Speaker 1: I'm an old school writer, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But when I saw her coming coming down at that
Speaker 1: line of the promos when she's on vacation, I go,
Speaker 1: I think I know where this is going. And uh
Speaker 1: but yeah, okay, but you know about but but you know,
Speaker 1: it's about relationship I can think about. I think you're
Speaker 1: very gifted at that, you know, and being able to
Speaker 1: write characters that are very human and normal and make decisions.
Speaker 1: But this is what I'm complimenting you on um Insecure
Speaker 1: is a very millennial type urban show. And then on
Speaker 1: Court it's a family drama. Language is not even close
Speaker 1: to the language and Insecure and you are naturally pulling
Speaker 1: that off. That's a gift, my friend. You know, I
Speaker 1: was a sitcom writer. I was talented, but believe me,
Speaker 1: my skills didn't even come close to your life. I
Speaker 1: could write a script, but you got a gift man.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna sit on this show and act
Speaker 1: like me being a sitcom right and you being a
Speaker 1: sitcom right, that we were the same you are, your
Speaker 1: skills said, is a blessing. And I got and I
Speaker 1: get to see it every Sunday night on HBO, and
Speaker 1: I got to get to see it probably gonna be
Speaker 1: a third time on on Court on Netflix. Talk about
Speaker 1: the whole process of being a show runner, your staff,
Speaker 1: because we all know you don't do it by yourself,
Speaker 1: and that amazing cast that you have with Insecure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it really is a team that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it really is a team effort. I mean we've been
Speaker 1: each and I have been super blessed too. You know,
Speaker 1: we like mostly had the same writers from the from
Speaker 1: the first season, and so I think that brings like
Speaker 1: a level of you know, people being super like familiar
Speaker 1: with how we want to tell the stories and and
Speaker 1: the way to tell stories and what works and what
Speaker 1: doesn't work on our show, but still offering you know,
Speaker 1: fresh new insight and fresh takes on it, uh, And
Speaker 1: so I think that and obviously we have an amazing
Speaker 1: kind between you know jay Evan Andsa of course, and
Speaker 1: you know Amanda Seals, you know Natasha rock Well. I
Speaker 1: mean so many amazing again, so much amazing kindly that
Speaker 1: it just makes our job easier. And I always say, like,
Speaker 1: when you first create a show, you know, the first
Speaker 1: the hardest part at the beginning is like you sort
Speaker 1: of write the character of the suit and then but
Speaker 1: it's kind of off the rack. And the longer the
Speaker 1: care longer the actors sits from the character, you start
Speaker 1: tailoring the suit for the actors, so not a suit.
Speaker 1: It's better because the actors getting more comfortable with the character,
Speaker 1: you know, the writers getting more comfortable with the characters,
Speaker 1: and then you get to get get deepers of the
Speaker 1: character um and you can see like like to nuance it.
Speaker 1: So it's been honestly, it's been a blessing to be
Speaker 1: able to And you're absolutely right that that first season
Speaker 1: of character development is rough because you don't really know
Speaker 1: the relationships. But when you're into this fourth to go
Speaker 1: into the fifth, you know, now you have the actors
Speaker 1: coming up, and you didn't say something like that. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that that's not my cats, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm telling the truth that because Yeah, they bought into
Speaker 1: what you've created, and then all of a sudden they
Speaker 1: want to keep it on course because of the fact
Speaker 1: that that's why the characters are natural, and that's why
Speaker 1: I buy into the anger that's happening between the two characters,
Speaker 1: and and and it's gonna build up to I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure a tremendous season finale because of the fact that
Speaker 1: it's relatable. I this is why I love it. Because
Speaker 1: it's on HBO. There's not on Beach is nothing slam
Speaker 1: on Beat is not on It's on HBO. We know
Speaker 1: that's a dominant white network that's being renewed. That means
Speaker 1: that the content that you're live delivering is relatable to everybody.
Speaker 1: It's good quality content, and that's all you want as
Speaker 1: as a talent. You want to you want you want
Speaker 1: your your information to be welcomed by everybody, not to
Speaker 1: be pigeonholed, you know. And that's brilliant. I've been blessed
Speaker 1: the season to see chairs today are able to do
Speaker 1: a name. I've been blessed to see to see your
Speaker 1: movie Uncorked. Uh. Every Sunday night. I'm enjoying HBOS Insecure
Speaker 1: my friend. Uh. I just wanted to bring on the
Speaker 1: show and say, hey, brother, you're younger than me I I,
Speaker 1: which is great. That means that, uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: spike leads in the world are getting up there, and
Speaker 1: I feel that our future in the directing and the
Speaker 1: writing and the producing business and the film and television,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be all right. Thank you well, I appreciate
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here. Thank you so much. Well.
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