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The fourth season 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.760 finale uh Insecure will air in the middle of June. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:41.959 Please welcome to Money Making Conversations, my man, apprentice Penny. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.480 Pretty good, pretty good. So I'll tell you something, Mr 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.520 penn Im said, Mr Pendent, because I saw your movie 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.240 twice and one day. So it's not often in my 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.520 life that I can say I saw the same movie 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.560 from beginning to the end. And we're talking about Uncorked 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:02.119 that's on Netflix twice in one day. So that's a compliment, man, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.840 because of the fact that you know, first of all, 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.320 he has some people in that I really loved the 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.080 death nis Nisi Nash and Court Advance Um and so 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.800 talk about But before I get into store, just complimenting 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.560 all about the movie. Tell us about Uncorked the premise 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:21.000 and how how you developed it. Yeah, I mean it 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.120 really started from a place of you know, I wanted 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.560 to make sure I wanted to write, uh and direct 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.000 a movie, and I wanted to you know, obviously, it's 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.960 like I went to fund that felt kind of personal 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.440 because I could sort of, um, you know, find my 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.960 voice that as writing when you writing television, you know, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:36.920 you're often writing in other people's voices, and so I 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.080 wanted to find mine. And I felt like I was 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.760 a big I love father's son dynamic stories, and I 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.960 often felt like with black fathers and son stories, usually 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.400 the spine up why the father that I have conflict 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.320 because the father was absent and I just wasn't my 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.480 experience and like a lot of friends of my un experiences, 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:56.280 and so I wanted to see and I thought, like 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.520 white people get to sort of have a experience in 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.320 my father some movies where they get the kind of 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.760 be basic. Like if you think about Good World Hunting 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.160 or Manchester About to See, you know that that that 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.040 you can get to be kind of regular. And I thought, 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.320 and being basically regular is what you find your humanity. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.680 And so I wanted to see if my men to 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.720 be regular, not be you know, not about our pain 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:17.599 or our trauma. Is just to sort of like, this 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.679 is what life is like kind of an everyday basis 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.039 for this family. And so that's sort of what drew 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.919 me into like waiting to tell that kind of a story. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.719 Right now, here's the thing. Now I'm watching the movie 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.400 enjoying it, laughing. It's kind of like almost like a 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.040 drama day. To me, it's comedy with a nice little 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.760 blended comedy stretched out through a dramatic movie with a 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.240 lot of emotional values. It's a romantic story, is a 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.080 family story, is a common of age story. So it 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.400 had a lot of a lot of descriptive moments in 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.400 the movie that I enjoyed, and but the detail that's 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.479 what really uh took me back. The detail of what 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.800 was what he was trying to accomplish, the lead actor 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.320 is trying to accomplish. Talk about that, is that something 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:06.080 personal or where did the detail come from? Yeah, I 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.760 mean in my real life, the sort of jumping off 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:11.800 point in front of the family was really like my 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.280 my grandfather started her furniture story Compton in the fifties 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.599 when my grandfather had a stroke and couldn't run at 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.960 full time. My father would happen to be a college time. 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.600 My father thought out of college, could no questions to 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.320 ask and took over the business. And I was the 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.720 next son in lawn to do that. And I didn't 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.719 really want to do that. I wanted to be a 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.520 writer and do other things. And so again I wanted 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.400 to talk about again like that that angle. And so 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.200 I knew when I wanted when I was writing the 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.000 story that I wanted one part of the family studies 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.440 to be a family business, to be sort of more 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.039 blue collar. Um. And so that's sort of how I 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.240 got to barbecue. And I knew I wanted the son 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.160 to do something that was a little bit more elevated 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.400 and creative and the way that I was doing something, 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.839 and I just felt writing would be kind of visually 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.680 not really that interesting. Um. And I took a trip 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.120 to Paris for a cousin's wedding decoration wedding, and I 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.800 didn't even drink wine at the time, but I was like, 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.480 if I'm ever gonna like wine, it kind of has 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.440 to happen here, you know. It's like if you go 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.400 to New Orleans, and don't like go Bo to New Orleans. 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.440 You just maybe you just don't like go Bo. So 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.719 I was like, Paris is the spot for wine and 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.039 so if I don't like to hear and so I 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.280 took a class and the guy made it really easy 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:21.240 to understand one and what I was drinking. And I said, oh, 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.680 like this should maybe be what the sun should want 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.760 to do. This is kind of cool. And that's really 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.800 how I stumbled into that arena. And I was watching 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.719 documentaries and movies about songs and things like that, and 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.080 it just became and obviously as you think about your 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.839 like food and wine or digital pairings, and the way 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.040 that the father obsessed about the wood is the same 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.520 way that people obsessed about the grapes, and they became 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.719 obviously very um you know, things that became connectors in 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.120 the movie um once. But that's sort of how I 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.560 found the world of wine. Well you know that I'm 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.920 talking to the writer, director, and producer of Uh. I 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.680 would say, hot, new movie there's on Netflix. I know 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.440 we all in these pandemic TI. I would say hot 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.320 because I watched it twice. I see you just get 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.279 you know, I really loved the movie because my wife. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.560 She's a kind of seue of wine. Okay. So when 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.400 I when I watched the movie at my office, I went, man, 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.440 that the detail, you know that because he wanted to 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.440 be a wine Somalia right and uh, and so that 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.440 was his goal. His dad was, like you said, Uh, 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.280 his father was a barbecue owner. He dropped out of 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.520 school to be to take over the business, even though 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.800 he wanted to be a teacher. And then all of 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:32.800 a sudden that he didn't want to do it, just 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.360 like you had in real life. You didn't want to 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.600 do the furniture store. He wanted to be He wanted 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.080 to be a condiseue of wine. He wanted to be 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.560 and like he said, as a as a very exclusive 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.840 club to be able to accomplish that task. And so 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:45.840 so if I watched that, so I went. So I 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.000 came home and said, I said, baby, uh, I want 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.920 you to watch this movie because the detail in this 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.120 movie about this wine because I don't drink wine, and 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.160 so and so she was so so so you know, 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.760 but I'm just amazed at the detail. Thats what I'm 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.800 going on. And we're not talking about the how you 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.000 were setting up the barbecue and chopping it up that 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.040 that whole world, because that's my world right there. When 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.760 you're talking about Memphis. You I'm from Houston, Texas. I'm 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.840 a Texas boy. Grew up my nephew. He's one of 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.120 the best bobbycue people. Yeah, he one of the best 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.400 barbecue people in Houston, Texas. He got a little side 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.520 stand recognized her. He was on Kelly Clarkson for barbecue, 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.520 and so I know about barbecue. And so when I'm 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.480 watching the detail of the barbecue and then I'm watching 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.640 the detail on the whin, I'm going like, who is 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.000 this guy? You know, I said, Wow, the details. So 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.839 just talk about your attention to detail, Mr Penny. I 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.600 gotta respect Mr Penny. You missed a penny on this show. Okay, 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.640 I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I'm gonna call you Mr. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:50.760 Big Daughter. Okay, yeah, I mean yeah, you know, I 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.640 mean we didn't like we don't keep it like that 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.520 and uh but no, I mean, you know obviously, you know, 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.600 I worked you know, on my other show from Insure, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.120 Like I've worked with a lot of amazing actors. When 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.880 you learn a lot from you know, you know, like 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:05.960 you know, you just learned like from people who just 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.440 by how they work. And so that was one thing 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.120 that I felt like the movie had to be a 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.240 super spot on about it. It was like, like, you know, 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.880 Memphis is one of the how equated like the Mount 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.959 Russian cities the barbecue rights. So you got there. Surely 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.640 you have Texas barbecue, you have you know those Carolina barbecue, 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.920 you have this Is barbecue, and you have kind of 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.360 you know St. Louis, Kansas City barbue, kind of like 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:33.800 the barbecue. You know what I'm saying. The barbecue had 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.040 to do. Yeah, I mean it's real, right, And so 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.280 so I knew because the obviously in the movie that 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.320 the barbecue has to be so serious because that's the 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.880 dad is placed as a premium. I like, how important 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.120 the family business. So it's not just like you're doing 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.439 barbecue in l A. It's like you're doing barbecue a 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.760 place where like that's it's everything for us, and it's 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.960 it takes care of our family. It's more than just 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.040 the barbecue, right and so um so to me that 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.960 that just had to be official and so we Enlisten, 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.880 there's a lot of Memphis barbecue places that are especially 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.920 black family places, like we called cozy corner um, you know, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.880 barbecue shop. The places that we hired. A lot of 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.360 the background actors that actually have lines all worked in 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.040 barbecue spots. And so because I needed them to know 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.720 what they were doing versus like having kind of extras 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.600 coming in not really knowing what they were doing, they 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.360 had looked like they knew. It was important that all 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.880 the background people know what they were doing, and so 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.800 that was grand. Then conversely, in the wine world, like 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:32.360 we had what one of our actors who played one 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:36.840 of the black song teachers is amazing black son named 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.120 d Lynn, who was also a part of the inspiration 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.240 for the movie too, and and so obviously to have 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.760 him read the script and and really be teaching me 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.360 as I was writing the script about wine and things 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:49.400 like that. And obviously on the set we had another 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.520 wine person they running rat issues like our on set person, 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.880 like our day to day to make sure everything worked 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.800 and make sure everything looks a hundred percent official in 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.560 terms of how they hold their labs, how they you know, smell, 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.880 how they taste, and how they how they do everything 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.280 you know, was so again that level of detail because 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.560 if you don't believe it, then you're just not going 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.240 to be into the movie. And and and the fun 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.280 part about it is that you used up and this 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.280 is a good word, comedic word. You used ignorance to 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.880 be funny. Like for instance, when he was saying he 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.040 wanted to be a Somalia and they go, you will 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:23.839 be you want to go to Samalia? You know, it's 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:28.360 just like and he goes, I ain't said nothing about Africa. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:33.680 You know, it's like he's like, you know, your your humor, 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.920 your writing style, man is dead on. But again you 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.440 gotta have the talent to be to pull that off. 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.640 And you're casting and was dead on man dead on? 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.720 I I would know. I won't tell the movie, but 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:52.360 the Nissy Nash relationship, uh, just coming out there just 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.520 just niece is just brilliant. And uh and then according 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.200 to advanced his role as uh as a dad man 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.080 that he if any black man is over for you, 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.400 that's your dad. That's that's courting advantage your day. He 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.040 was your day. And so I was looking at my dad. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.960 You know the statement he has come out by racism 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.880 but anything, it was just irreverence. But it was just 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.240 about the whole process. And then the sun and I 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:20.400 want you to say his name, because I messed up 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.440 the lead guy who who really carried this role throughout 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:27.120 and really sold that sold me on the fact that 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.280 it could actually happen for this young man. But it's 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.880 a journey. So I just we're talking about the movie 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.160 on Cork and I just wanted to compliment you on 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:39.520 the ability to put a dynamic family story, wrap it 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.520 around a romantic story, and then with a seed of 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.840 trying to find himself and seek an opportunity along the 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.600 way that he doubted himself and he kind of believed 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.400 in himself, then he doubted himself. In the end he 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.439 made a decision that this is what I want to do. 0:12:56.000 --> 0:13:01.360 That's that's fantastic man. 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And Victoria's 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:13.520 such an amazing costing um director that she was the 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.160 one that like, you know, like suggested like she's going 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.560 to suggest the cordine. She's the one that the girlfriend Sasha. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.920 She's the one that of a cousin j T. She's 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:23.680 the one that was like, oh, momma, he's gonna be great, 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.480 Like she just helped put together um such an amazing 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:30.000 talent for me and uh and obviously they all just delivered. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.360 I mean they're just also great. And see I got 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.600 a peak that this movie was coming down the line 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.400 because I had a young mentor young man I mentioned 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.400 when he was an actor way back in the day 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:41.560 when he was trying to act with a sister sister. 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:46.520 His name was Dotari Turner. And yeah, yeah, he came 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.160 on My show man. He told me about the movie, said, Rashawn, 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.600 when it comes out, he's gonna mess you up. It's 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.040 really good movie. And and he says, this is the 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:55.840 type of movie he wants to be involved, to tell 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:59.160 a good story. Great castinge and you guys did a 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:04.400 wonderful job off and and more blessings. I put I 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.760 put this on my social media, put it in my newsletter, 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.600 you know, just to just to carry the brand of excellence. 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.520 And again I'm recommending everybody, uh to see this movie. 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.600 I'm probably gonna see it again because I'm a type 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.880 of person. I'll sit down, tell you I watch it again. 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.560 Come on, I watch again. That's how good it is. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:27.000 I watched again. Let's let's go to the see your 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.360 other serious it's just you know, just got renewed. Let 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.960 you know some checks are coming. It's always good to 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:38.720 know checks are coming. That's a beautiful thing. Come on, 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.800 come on, brother in the world. You know entertainment man, 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.560 you can't buy a house wondering that. I just rent, 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:51.360 I just a lease because they say episodes, but I 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:56.160 wait and buying the cash after the episodes and finished that. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.120 The girls, man, they mad at each other. They but 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.520 I'm gonna talk to the show, but I'm not gonna 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.760 give away the show. But this has been a dynamic 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:11.200 season man for for the relationship of the Ivan and 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:15.080 so talk about the steps of Oh, you know, because 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:16.920 I got a feeling I know where it's going because 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.680 I'm an old school writer, you know what I'm saying. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.359 But when I saw her coming coming down at that 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.119 line of the promos when she's on vacation, I go, 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.520 I think I know where this is going. And uh 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:33.920 but yeah, okay, but you know about but but you know, 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:38.000 it's about relationship I can think about. I think you're 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.480 very gifted at that, you know, and being able to 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:45.080 write characters that are very human and normal and make decisions. 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:50.680 But this is what I'm complimenting you on um Insecure 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:56.359 is a very millennial type urban show. And then on 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.920 Court it's a family drama. Language is not even close 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:05.080 to the language and Insecure and you are naturally pulling 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.719 that off. That's a gift, my friend. You know, I 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.080 was a sitcom writer. I was talented, but believe me, 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.720 my skills didn't even come close to your life. I 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.920 could write a script, but you got a gift man. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.120 And I'm not gonna sit on this show and act 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.119 like me being a sitcom right and you being a 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.280 sitcom right, that we were the same you are, your 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.960 skills said, is a blessing. And I got and I 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.480 get to see it every Sunday night on HBO, and 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.000 I got to get to see it probably gonna be 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.480 a third time on on Court on Netflix. Talk about 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.560 the whole process of being a show runner, your staff, 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.560 because we all know you don't do it by yourself, 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:43.920 and that amazing cast that you have with Insecure. Yeah, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:45.719 I mean it really is a team that. I mean, 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.920 it really is a team effort. I mean we've been 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.280 each and I have been super blessed too. You know, 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:54.280 we like mostly had the same writers from the from 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.280 the first season, and so I think that brings like 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.440 a level of you know, people being super like familiar 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.480 with how we want to tell the stories and and 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.320 the way to tell stories and what works and what 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.399 doesn't work on our show, but still offering you know, 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.919 fresh new insight and fresh takes on it, uh, And 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:11.680 so I think that and obviously we have an amazing 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:15.040 kind between you know jay Evan Andsa of course, and 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.399 you know Amanda Seals, you know Natasha rock Well. I 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.000 mean so many amazing again, so much amazing kindly that 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.440 it just makes our job easier. And I always say, like, 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.879 when you first create a show, you know, the first 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.120 the hardest part at the beginning is like you sort 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.199 of write the character of the suit and then but 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.240 it's kind of off the rack. And the longer the 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.920 care longer the actors sits from the character, you start 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.680 tailoring the suit for the actors, so not a suit. 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.879 It's better because the actors getting more comfortable with the character, 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.320 you know, the writers getting more comfortable with the characters, 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.560 and then you get to get get deepers of the 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.080 character um and you can see like like to nuance it. 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.199 So it's been honestly, it's been a blessing to be 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.480 able to And you're absolutely right that that first season 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:00.760 of character development is rough because you don't really know 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.840 the relationships. But when you're into this fourth to go 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.159 into the fifth, you know, now you have the actors 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:07.480 coming up, and you didn't say something like that. I 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:14.520 wouldn't say that that's not my cats, you know what, 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:19.080 I'm telling the truth that because Yeah, they bought into 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.479 what you've created, and then all of a sudden they 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.480