WEBVTT - Week in Tech: Who’s Behind the First Hit AI Artist? 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.439 From Kaleidoscope and iHeart podcasts. This is tech stuff. 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:19.560 I'm as Luscian and I'm care price. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:23.639 Today we get into spy cockroaches and why Europe is 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.040 getting armed with a bunch of sci fi weapons, and 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.960 a revealing conversation with the human team behind a viral. 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.600 AI artist then un chatting me, and then I put 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.760 in what formation should you play to be? 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:43.000 NWSL teams all of that on the Weekend Tech. It's Friday, 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:50.280 November seventh, US. I want to tell you about this 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.640 bird that I saw on the way to work today. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.520 Birds can be very symbolic. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:59.320 It was a brown and white pigeon. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.680 Or feral as US ornithologists like to call it. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.000 A pharal dove. So do you know I'm telling you 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.640 about a bird? Have no idea, no idea you could pass. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:09.400 What's the test? 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.400 You just experienced? Something called bird theory. It's this relationship 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.080 test that I saw on TikTok, and a lot of 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.039 TikTokers are using it to test their partners by secretly 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.320 filming their partner's reactions when they point out a bird. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.880 If their partner reacts enthusiastically like I did, good sign. 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:33.200 If not some say, bird, watch out. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.039 What's behind this? 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.800 It's actually from this theory developed by the Gotmans, who 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.280 are prominent couples therapists, and this test is used to 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.000 evaluate how a partner responds to what the Gotmans call 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.560 a bid for connection. So just now, had we been 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.000 together and you were like, Babe. 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.720 I can't in the studio, I'm by definition forced to 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.920 pay attention to what you're telling me. In real life, 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:01.160 I feel like, as a bird over there, I had 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:02.400 just been on my phone, I won't even heard you 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:04.160 locked into my phone. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.120 That's very true, and so it is also contextual, I think. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.080 But what is really interesting to me about this is 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:15.440 that there is a thing that's happening on TikTok that 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:19.040 I think is really just an extension of like the 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:23.200 BuzzFeed or Cosmo quiz. Remember BuzzFeed quizzes. 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.760 Like are you astrologically compatible with your partner? Or like 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.600 do you like the same things? And that kind of thing. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.560 Well, that's exactly what I mean. But I think that 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.520 there's this interesting thing that's happening on TikTok, which is 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:38.120 that like people are gamifying their relationships very publicly and 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.800 inviting viewers to judge their partner's responses as well, and 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:43.880 so it kind of is the first time people are 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.560 like opening up their relationships to a peanut gallery. 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.640 That's the weird part, right, Like you would think the 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.320 idea of the peanut galleries. That's different from the old 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.000 days of Cosmo and BuzzFeed quizzes. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.760 What's amazing is how seriously people take this stuff. People 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.040 are really like in the comments being like, if your 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.040 partner doesn't pay at ten, you talking about the bird? 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:01.919 Dump it, believe? 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.560 How about this for a transition please? Is it a bird? 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.760 Is it a plane? No, it's a drone. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:09.720 That's good. 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.320 Okay, that's good. So the general headline that I want 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.520 to share with you today is Europe is investing heavily 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.720 in defense tech with mixed results. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.080 What are the mixed results? 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.320 Some of it's working and some of it's absolutely not. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.040 There was a story in the Financial Times with the 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.799 headline drones startup back by Peter Teel crashed and burned 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.480 in Armed forces trials. So of course I couldn't read 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:35.400 it up exactly. But this all started with Vice President 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.960 jd Vance. Earlier this year. Jd Vance, in his first 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.480 major public speech, was in Munich, at something called the 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.720 Munich Security Conference, which is basically when all of the 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.560 big wigs of European defense get together and you know, 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.760 prominent Americans from government come and normally it's a kind 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:56.240 of backslapping, handshaking thing. This year was very different. Vance 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:58.760 shocked Europe and I had some friends who had that conference. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:03:59.920 You had friends that were shocked. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.520 Shocks say, you, guys, you're on your own. You've been 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.720 eating out of our hand for too long. You've gonna 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.880 boost your own defense spending because we're not coming to 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.760 the rescue anymore. So now Europe is stepping up her 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.760 Reuters venture capital funding of European defense tech hit one 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.800 billion dollars this year, up from around four hundred million 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.440 in twenty twenty two. More interesting than that, there was 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.920 a stat is this year, for the first time ever, 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.640 combined European spending on defense procurement, by the way, this 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.720 includes Turkey and Ukraine is expects to be more than 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.800 in the US. What Europe is spending. 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:34.880 More just because JD. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.359 Vance marked then yeah, I mean I think it's that, 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.000 And obviously it's it's carroting. Well, it's two sticks. It's 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.240 an American stick and the Russian stick. There's a very 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.360 little carrot. One is saying you've got to do this, 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.760 and the other is all but saying you've got to 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.600 do this. A lot of this investment is happening in Germany, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.960 which also obviously has a troubled history when it comes 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.960 to quite armament production and has really not done very 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.320 much since the Second World War and till now when 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.760 there is demand from the US, pressure from Russia, but 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.159 also a whole bunch of talented engineers who have worked 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.680 for decades in the auto industry which is now on 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.160 its knees. Interesting, but I do want to talk a 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:17.520 little bit more about this Financial Time story about Yes, that's. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.040 What I want to hear more about is stashing and burning. 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.360 This is about a company called Stark, which rhymes with Lark. 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:27.359 It's a Berlin based drone company back by Peter Teel, 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:32.640 Sequoia Capital and the NATO Innovation Fund. Stark was founded 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.600 fifteen months ago and they've built weaponized drones that look 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.560 kind of reminiscent of ex fighters from Star Wars. The 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.200 base of the drone is shaped like an X. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.239 And this has all been developed in the last fifteen months. 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.240 It has and it had two trials which were covered 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:51.960 by the Financial Times, which called them a disaster. The 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.920 drones quote failed to hit a single target during four 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.800 attempts at two separate exercises. You know, the failure, especially 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.880 when and it's failure of investments by some of these 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:08.400 Silicon valley overlords is always delicious, extremely delicious. But the 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.040 new idea in defense tech is build it and they 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.400 will come. Previously, it was like the government would commission 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.159 a new fighter jet, There'll be a twenty year procurement cycle, 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.960 and it would cost like, you know, five hundred billion 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.640 dollars for the government to get the new technology wanted. 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.600 Now all these startups are saying, wow, like wars here 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.760 or war's coming, Why don't we raise money from the 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.080 private market and make weapons that governments don't even think 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.000 they need yet. And so that's a huge shift, and 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.800 it's being powered, of course by AI, automation and robotics. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:39.520 There's a story in the New York Times about the 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.800 same phenomenon which had a great, great quote, which was 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.920 the new business model reflects a sea change in warfare 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:50.560 that maybe as profound as the shift from horse cavalries 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.400 to armoured tanks and airplanes in World War One. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.719 That's quite a distinction. I mean, I guess my question 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:58.640 is why do things on the cheap? 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.240 Well, I think because, I mean, the point of these 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.400 venture back companies is you're trying to do a minimal 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.799 viable product as cheaply as you can. If it works, 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.840 you raise a bunch more money and go into full production. 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.720 So most Series A companies fail. But what's interesting is 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:17.640 that private investors are willing to take risk to fund weapons, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.000 most of which won't work. But the ones that do work, 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.480 or that do convince governments they work, will presumably print 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.800 fortunes for their founders and backers. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.880 So this is quite literally the old Silicon Valley model 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:31.120 of moved fast and break things. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.160 It's exactly that, exactly that, but for defense tech, which. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.040 Is a little scarier. When it comes to defense tech. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.120 You know, I'm sure some of this tech is incredibly 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.120 sci fi and inspired, but like, this is stuff that's 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:43.120 being made for war. 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.280 Yeah, I mean, look, so one of the most successful 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.200 companies in the space seems to be this company called Helsing. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.320 They're featuring the same ft story. They hit their targets 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:58.600 seventeen times and successfully completed five trial runs. Their valuation 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.400 is now over four teen billion dollars. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:02.200 That's crazy. 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.960 And it's not just drones. There are other companies who 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.320 are trying to create the weapons of the future. In parallel, 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.960 there's a company called euro Atlas who have quote created 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.560 a division to develop autonomous underwater vehicles. The commonitor vital 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.600 cables on the ocean floor. They are vital cables without 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:24.040 no Internet without without them. They've created this underwater vehicle 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.760 called gray Shark that actually looks more like a dolphin. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:33.520 And to me, bionic cockroaches are the most fascinating part 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.800 of the story. I'm serious. So let me tell you 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:39.160 about a little company called Swarm Biotechniques. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:39.640 There you go. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.679 Swarm Biotechniques have taken cockroaches and made these little backpacks 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.520 for them. These backpacks again a little baby corroach, baby 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:55.800 cockroach backpack. The backpack interacts with the cockroaches nervous system 0:08:56.120 --> 0:09:00.280 such that a human operator can use the cockroach like 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:01.319 a remote control cars. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:02.839 So these are real cockroaches. 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.199 These are real cockroaches. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.160 That have implants in their brain. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.440 Implants in their brain and tiny cameras and can go 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.920 in swarms into areas where humans or other bigger robots. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.920 This is from the Swarm biotechniques websites has been referenced 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.679 in a bunch of mainstream press. So I haven't seen 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.240 for myself the swamp that the cockroach being remote controlled. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:25.440 But what a world we're living in. 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:29.199 So why is this happening in Europe specifically? 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.319 Yeah, well, I mentioned that the Vance thing, and one 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.440 of the co founders of Helsing, the more successful drone company, 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:39.280 told the New York Times quote before, no European VC 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:43.079 was interested in defense. Now everyone wants to invest. And 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.760 so I think you can't really understand this story without 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.920 understanding how scary it is to be next to Russia 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.760 if you live in Europe. So you know, in New 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.880 York a few months ago, everyone was looking up at 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.960 the sky and seeing all these drones. It's kind of 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.680 scary and chilling. Yeah, it's a lot more scary and 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.640 more chilling to Russia. You look up the sky and 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:04.240 you see stuff. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:04.520 Right. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.920 The market is fear driven, of course, So drones, presumably 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:12.520 Russian drones, have been spotted flying over European bases hosting 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.959 US tactical nuclear weapons that are part of Europe's nuclear 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.839 terrance strategy. The US is believed to have around one 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:23.000 hundred tactical nuclear bombs in Europe spread across five countries, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.760 which is half of the US supply not something you 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:26.040 want to. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.240 See, No, you definitely don't. And I know this because 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.480 I just saw the new Cafine Bigelow movie called House 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.400 of Dynamite, and it's about basically the hours leading up 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.800 to a nuclear missile heading to the United States. I'm 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.200 just thinking about it because of this. It sort of 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.960 shows the ways in which the United States isn't exactly prepared. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.400 I actually want to I want to transition to something 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.600 that is a little bit more CARA, which is music 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.640 culture AI the synthetic creation of new musical artists. 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.520 Well, I have to tell you that one of the 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.000 main investors in Helsing, In fact, I think the lead 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.120 investor in the last round was none other than Daniel Eck, 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:07.760 who also found his Spotify. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.480 So there's always but it's also gotten him in trouble, 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.160 that's right, Like many artists have left the platform because 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:15.880 of this, and it's also why Eck is no longer 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.120 the CEO of Spotify. But yes, I'm here to talk 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.160 about the state of music, and you know that AI 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.320 music is nothing really new, Like we talked about it 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.040 on Sleepwalkers. There was a company called Endell that was 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:30.520 like the first algorithm to have a record deal. And 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.960 actually in September, Spotify revealed that it moved seventy five 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.800 million spam tracks over the last year. And this has 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.280 become a really big business for people because it's cheap 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.439 to make and if a song is played for more 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.240 than thirty seconds on a streaming platform, the person uploading 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:49.680 the music gets a royalty. So I'm curious first and foremost, like, 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.120 what do you think about AI music? 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.880 Very good question. I don't know what I think about 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.000 AI music, but what I do think about is that 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:03.840 I know when people think they are interacting with AI 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:08.040 created media, they slightly switch off. But I'm wondering if 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:09.839 that if that continues, I mean. 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.720 They're turned off by the idea. Yeah, sorry, I was 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:16.600 trying to translate your British. Well. I want to play 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.959 you a song that is number thirty on Billboard's Adult 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:24.640 R and B Airplay charts, and this artist has over 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:34.760 one million monthly listeners on Spotify. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:39.520 He didn't want me down no stairs, didn't want me 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.360 about them boys who wouldn't care. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.360 Didn't tell me what a real man sounds like. 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.120 So a fell for that's right. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.200 He never pulled much. Tell me what you think about it. 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.560 I would have no idea. This wasn't real, right. I 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.320 did like it though, I like especially that. Oh at 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:57.720 the beginning it sounded a bit like I don't want 0:12:57.760 --> 0:12:58.440 to look for Christmas. 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.520 Well, let me tell you something. Not a lick of 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.880 it is real. However, there is some reality. 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:04.800 It's a human in the loop. 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.720 There is a human in the loop. The person that 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.520 you just heard is Zania Monet. 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.640 Okay, she's real. If she's not real, she. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:16.280 Is fake as they come. So I'm a person who 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:20.800 likes to see when AI is creating an inflection point 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:22.920 in the culture where it's like, you know, like we 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.559 talked about with Sora, like all of a sudden, we 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:29.560 can't trust video anymore. Ever, Yeah, I think because this 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.400 artist Zanaia is on the Billboard charts, Yeah. 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:33.800 That makes it feel different. Right. This is not just 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.679 so garbage that's on Spotify and from time to time 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.240 gets weeded out by a mod or an automatic mod. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.920 This is a charting song of an artist with a 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.839 name who doesn't exist. That's right. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.040 And on top of that, she has a manager and 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.920 a multimillion dollar record yeah with Hollwood Media, which is 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.240 an independent record label founded by a former Interscope executive. 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.040 So when I was reading about Zania, it was actually 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.600 unclear to me what about her was a and what 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.120 wasn't like Was it the beats, was it her voice? 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.640 Was it the lyrics? So I actually called up Zenia's manager, 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.440 Ramel Murphy, and he told me that this whole project 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.720 is actually the brainchild of a lifelong friend and poet, 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.760 a thirty one year old named Talisha Nicki Jones. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:20.600 Here's Ramel, so I would say Zanayah is an extension 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.160 of Talisha Jones. So that's why it feels so real, 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.400 because she put her raw motions on real life experiences 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.040 into the song. AI is just a tool to enhance 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.400 and give a different experience, not a better, not a worse, 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:36.280 a different experience. And we're going to be completely transparent 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.000 as we've been from the jump. She's not the vocal 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.080 beast as Zanaia is. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.800 Ramel and Talisha don't see Talisha's lack of musical training 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.120 as any issue. She's basically using an R and B 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.560 singer songwriter avatar to elevate the real life stories and 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.280 emotions she's putting into her lyrics. And Talisha the poet 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.520 has an undeniably larger reach as Zanaia, the R and 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.800 B singer. So what was interesting about what Ramel said 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.880 is that this is art. Talisha's music is real music, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.680 even if Talisha herself isn't musically talented in her own right. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.800 So Talisha has been using an AI music generator called 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.680 Suno to make these songs because, as Ramel put it, 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.160 she is not a singer and she's not a musician, 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.760 She's just a poet. And actually, Talisha appeared on CBS 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.880 Mornings and showed co host Gail King how she uses 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:27.680 Suno to turn her poems into music. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.480 And I just take those lyrics, just go in and 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:35.840 paste a simple style, slow tempo R and B. 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.040 So you're saying, I want slow tempo R and B. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:42.040 She adds a few more prompts into AI music generator Suno, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:48.840 like female soulful vocals, light guitar and heavy drums, and 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.200 Hilary's just creat. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.880 I watched some videos of her on Facebook. Talicia, Yeah, Talisha, 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:01.280 she teaches how to leverage AI tools into financial rewards, 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.520 and I don't know. I feel like she's kind of 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.680 taking this software by the scruff of its neck and saying, 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.200 look like, I'm not going to be a superstar. I 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.360 can build a superstar, and isn't it better for me 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.360 to build a superstar who I then don't have to 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.560 respond for She's a producer. 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.040 Is an interesting combination being a good producer and a 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.960 good marketer. Right She's written Talisha's written the hype cycle 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.200 of AI to become a producer and artist, and Aaron 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:29.280 write good on I think. 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.560 What people have a problem with is is this music. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.760 So there's a very well known R and B artist 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.560 named Kailani and she was quoted in a piece in 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.680 Billboard magazine saying, quote, nothing and no one on earth 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.160 will ever be able to justify AI to me. And 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.120 I do understand this. There are many R and B 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:53.640 artists who have worked for years and years tirelessly to 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:59.080 hone their craft. And Talisha is a poet, is using 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:04.200 soon know and is pushing out songs pretty easily using 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.920 digital tools. So Kilani makes a point in the sense 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.480 of like, can we really call Zanaya an artist in 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.360 the same way we call Kilani an artist? I think right. 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.560 I mean, look, if all music was this, I would 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.520 be super depressed. But I think because I'm attracted to 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.960 Talsia's story, I feel like I give this a pause. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.480 But it's kind of agel debate. Right, is a musical 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.520 act more the product of the musician or the producer 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:28.879 in today's world? 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.680 That is the question. And actually Suno has been sued 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.520 for copyright infringement and a lot of artists are very 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.520 anti Suno that sense. 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:44.200 Yes, basically stealing people's voices and musical ideas and melodies 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:45.360 to make this possible. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.160 Well, they're training SUNO's algorithms with pre existing material, and 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.879 a lot of record companies are part of this larger 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.879 lawsuit where they're saying that is not okay. You can't 0:17:55.119 --> 0:18:00.479 basically facilitate someone's entire musical career on the voice and 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.560 sound of you know, thousands of artists music. 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.919 After the break a pitch to build data centers in 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:20.480 space and professional soccer coaches experiment with Chatgibt stay with 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:36.800 us and we're back, Cara, What if I told you 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.359 that Google wanted to harness the power of the sun 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:41.680 to power data centers. 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.240 I would quote the oft quotable Mel Robbins and say 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:46.120 let them. 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.639 Let them. I would say, let them. What if I 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.840 told you they would also be honessing the power of 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.520 the Sun for these data centers in space. 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.720 I would say that nothing surprises me anymore. Are they 0:18:58.720 --> 0:18:59.639 doing this well? 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.960 They just We've talked about making plans to send trial 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.400 equipment into orbit by early twenty twenty seven. It's called 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.160 Project Suncatcher. 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:08.320 Brilliant name. 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:13.919 Basically, the idea is that tightly packed constellations of solar 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.040 powered satellites orbiting four hundred miles above Earth's surface with 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:22.600 AI processors could help meet rising demand for AI without 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.440 putting additional strain on our energy resources here on Earth. 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:28.639 And this is a good idea why. 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.479 The article in the Guardian that I read talked about 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.080 how the bet Google is making here is that it 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.320 will be so cheap to send stuff into space by 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.399 twenty twenty seven, that will actually be cheaper to do 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.679 data centers in space than on Earth. Google researchers predict 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.440 that the cost of sending stuff to space could drop 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:52.080 to two hundred dollars per kilogram in this decade, which 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.560 is a multiple lower than it is today. 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.000 So we'd basically be sending these to space because it's 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:58.520 saving money. 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.720 It's cheaper than using Earth Earth energy. It's better for 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:05.679 the environment because you don't need you don't need fossil fuels, 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.560 and you don't need water to cool them down because 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:10.119 it's cold up there. 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:11.439 Because it's cold up there. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.320 There are of course some downsides as well. Launching rockets 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.280 emits loads and loads and loads of CO two, So 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.080 you have to believe that the price in CO two 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.119 for the rocket launches will be less than the price 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.639 of CO two in fossil fuels burnt to power data 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:32.480 centers on Earth. One astronomer gave a quote that also, 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:36.199 so many satellites in low orbit will be quote like 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:40.600 bugs on a windshield when trying to observe outer space. Really, 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.080 and so you know, you think we talked, I think 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:44.800 a couple of weeks ago about all this space junk 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.720 raining down from the sky, sending loads more stuff, And 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:49.040 you also have to step back and ask the question, 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.160 do we really really need this much AI processing power 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:53.760 that we have to send me a bunch of stuff 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:54.800 into space. 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:56.560 In order to do like shouldn't we do less? 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.879 Maybe? But that's unlikely. Elon Musk is also working on 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:06.040 data centers in space, and Nvidia AI chips are shortly 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.000 to be launched into space this month in partnership with 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.600 a startup called star Cloud to see if they actually 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:15.119 work in space. I mean, this is living, this is insane. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:18.680 They're sending chips. They're sending Nvidia chips to space to 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:20.800 see if Nvidia chips will work in space. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:22.280 As far as I understand, yes, I don't want to 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:23.320