Speaker 1: From Kaleidoscope and iHeart podcasts. This is tech stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm as Luscian and I'm care price.
Speaker 1: Today we get into spy cockroaches and why Europe is
Speaker 1: getting armed with a bunch of sci fi weapons, and
Speaker 1: a revealing conversation with the human team behind a viral.
Speaker 3: AI artist then un chatting me, and then I put
Speaker 3: in what formation should you play to be?
Speaker 2: NWSL teams all of that on the Weekend Tech. It's Friday,
Speaker 2: November seventh, US. I want to tell you about this
Speaker 2: bird that I saw on the way to work today.
Speaker 1: Birds can be very symbolic.
Speaker 2: It was a brown and white pigeon.
Speaker 1: Or feral as US ornithologists like to call it.
Speaker 2: A pharal dove. So do you know I'm telling you
Speaker 2: about a bird? Have no idea, no idea you could pass.
Speaker 1: What's the test?
Speaker 2: You just experienced? Something called bird theory. It's this relationship
Speaker 2: test that I saw on TikTok, and a lot of
Speaker 2: TikTokers are using it to test their partners by secretly
Speaker 2: filming their partner's reactions when they point out a bird.
Speaker 2: If their partner reacts enthusiastically like I did, good sign.
Speaker 2: If not some say, bird, watch out.
Speaker 1: What's behind this?
Speaker 2: It's actually from this theory developed by the Gotmans, who
Speaker 2: are prominent couples therapists, and this test is used to
Speaker 2: evaluate how a partner responds to what the Gotmans call
Speaker 2: a bid for connection. So just now, had we been
Speaker 2: together and you were like, Babe.
Speaker 1: I can't in the studio, I'm by definition forced to
Speaker 1: pay attention to what you're telling me. In real life,
Speaker 1: I feel like, as a bird over there, I had
Speaker 1: just been on my phone, I won't even heard you
Speaker 1: locked into my phone.
Speaker 2: That's very true, and so it is also contextual, I think.
Speaker 2: But what is really interesting to me about this is
Speaker 2: that there is a thing that's happening on TikTok that
Speaker 2: I think is really just an extension of like the
Speaker 2: BuzzFeed or Cosmo quiz. Remember BuzzFeed quizzes.
Speaker 1: Like are you astrologically compatible with your partner? Or like
Speaker 1: do you like the same things? And that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what I mean. But I think that
Speaker 2: there's this interesting thing that's happening on TikTok, which is
Speaker 2: that like people are gamifying their relationships very publicly and
Speaker 2: inviting viewers to judge their partner's responses as well, and
Speaker 2: so it kind of is the first time people are
Speaker 2: like opening up their relationships to a peanut gallery.
Speaker 1: That's the weird part, right, Like you would think the
Speaker 1: idea of the peanut galleries. That's different from the old
Speaker 1: days of Cosmo and BuzzFeed quizzes.
Speaker 2: What's amazing is how seriously people take this stuff. People
Speaker 2: are really like in the comments being like, if your
Speaker 2: partner doesn't pay at ten, you talking about the bird?
Speaker 2: Dump it, believe?
Speaker 1: How about this for a transition please? Is it a bird?
Speaker 1: Is it a plane? No, it's a drone.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good. So the general headline that I want
Speaker 1: to share with you today is Europe is investing heavily
Speaker 1: in defense tech with mixed results.
Speaker 2: What are the mixed results?
Speaker 1: Some of it's working and some of it's absolutely not.
Speaker 1: There was a story in the Financial Times with the
Speaker 1: headline drones startup back by Peter Teel crashed and burned
Speaker 1: in Armed forces trials. So of course I couldn't read
Speaker 1: it up exactly. But this all started with Vice President
Speaker 1: jd Vance. Earlier this year. Jd Vance, in his first
Speaker 1: major public speech, was in Munich, at something called the
Speaker 1: Munich Security Conference, which is basically when all of the
Speaker 1: big wigs of European defense get together and you know,
Speaker 1: prominent Americans from government come and normally it's a kind
Speaker 1: of backslapping, handshaking thing. This year was very different. Vance
Speaker 1: shocked Europe and I had some friends who had that conference.
Speaker 2: You had friends that were shocked.
Speaker 1: Shocks say, you, guys, you're on your own. You've been
Speaker 1: eating out of our hand for too long. You've gonna
Speaker 1: boost your own defense spending because we're not coming to
Speaker 1: the rescue anymore. So now Europe is stepping up her
Speaker 1: Reuters venture capital funding of European defense tech hit one
Speaker 1: billion dollars this year, up from around four hundred million
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. More interesting than that, there was
Speaker 1: a stat is this year, for the first time ever,
Speaker 1: combined European spending on defense procurement, by the way, this
Speaker 1: includes Turkey and Ukraine is expects to be more than
Speaker 1: in the US. What Europe is spending.
Speaker 2: More just because JD.
Speaker 1: Vance marked then yeah, I mean I think it's that,
Speaker 1: And obviously it's it's carroting. Well, it's two sticks. It's
Speaker 1: an American stick and the Russian stick. There's a very
Speaker 1: little carrot. One is saying you've got to do this,
Speaker 1: and the other is all but saying you've got to
Speaker 1: do this. A lot of this investment is happening in Germany,
Speaker 1: which also obviously has a troubled history when it comes
Speaker 1: to quite armament production and has really not done very
Speaker 1: much since the Second World War and till now when
Speaker 1: there is demand from the US, pressure from Russia, but
Speaker 1: also a whole bunch of talented engineers who have worked
Speaker 1: for decades in the auto industry which is now on
Speaker 1: its knees. Interesting, but I do want to talk a
Speaker 1: little bit more about this Financial Time story about Yes, that's.
Speaker 2: What I want to hear more about is stashing and burning.
Speaker 1: This is about a company called Stark, which rhymes with Lark.
Speaker 1: It's a Berlin based drone company back by Peter Teel,
Speaker 1: Sequoia Capital and the NATO Innovation Fund. Stark was founded
Speaker 1: fifteen months ago and they've built weaponized drones that look
Speaker 1: kind of reminiscent of ex fighters from Star Wars. The
Speaker 1: base of the drone is shaped like an X.
Speaker 2: And this has all been developed in the last fifteen months.
Speaker 1: It has and it had two trials which were covered
Speaker 1: by the Financial Times, which called them a disaster. The
Speaker 1: drones quote failed to hit a single target during four
Speaker 1: attempts at two separate exercises. You know, the failure, especially
Speaker 1: when and it's failure of investments by some of these
Speaker 1: Silicon valley overlords is always delicious, extremely delicious. But the
Speaker 1: new idea in defense tech is build it and they
Speaker 1: will come. Previously, it was like the government would commission
Speaker 1: a new fighter jet, There'll be a twenty year procurement cycle,
Speaker 1: and it would cost like, you know, five hundred billion
Speaker 1: dollars for the government to get the new technology wanted.
Speaker 1: Now all these startups are saying, wow, like wars here
Speaker 1: or war's coming, Why don't we raise money from the
Speaker 1: private market and make weapons that governments don't even think
Speaker 1: they need yet. And so that's a huge shift, and
Speaker 1: it's being powered, of course by AI, automation and robotics.
Speaker 1: There's a story in the New York Times about the
Speaker 1: same phenomenon which had a great, great quote, which was
Speaker 1: the new business model reflects a sea change in warfare
Speaker 1: that maybe as profound as the shift from horse cavalries
Speaker 1: to armoured tanks and airplanes in World War One.
Speaker 2: That's quite a distinction. I mean, I guess my question
Speaker 2: is why do things on the cheap?
Speaker 1: Well, I think because, I mean, the point of these
Speaker 1: venture back companies is you're trying to do a minimal
Speaker 1: viable product as cheaply as you can. If it works,
Speaker 1: you raise a bunch more money and go into full production.
Speaker 1: So most Series A companies fail. But what's interesting is
Speaker 1: that private investors are willing to take risk to fund weapons,
Speaker 1: most of which won't work. But the ones that do work,
Speaker 1: or that do convince governments they work, will presumably print
Speaker 1: fortunes for their founders and backers.
Speaker 2: So this is quite literally the old Silicon Valley model
Speaker 2: of moved fast and break things.
Speaker 1: It's exactly that, exactly that, but for defense tech, which.
Speaker 2: Is a little scarier. When it comes to defense tech.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure some of this tech is incredibly
Speaker 2: sci fi and inspired, but like, this is stuff that's
Speaker 2: being made for war.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, so one of the most successful
Speaker 1: companies in the space seems to be this company called Helsing.
Speaker 1: They're featuring the same ft story. They hit their targets
Speaker 1: seventeen times and successfully completed five trial runs. Their valuation
Speaker 1: is now over four teen billion dollars.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: And it's not just drones. There are other companies who
Speaker 1: are trying to create the weapons of the future. In parallel,
Speaker 1: there's a company called euro Atlas who have quote created
Speaker 1: a division to develop autonomous underwater vehicles. The commonitor vital
Speaker 1: cables on the ocean floor. They are vital cables without
Speaker 1: no Internet without without them. They've created this underwater vehicle
Speaker 1: called gray Shark that actually looks more like a dolphin.
Speaker 1: And to me, bionic cockroaches are the most fascinating part
Speaker 1: of the story. I'm serious. So let me tell you
Speaker 1: about a little company called Swarm Biotechniques.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: Swarm Biotechniques have taken cockroaches and made these little backpacks
Speaker 1: for them. These backpacks again a little baby corroach, baby
Speaker 1: cockroach backpack. The backpack interacts with the cockroaches nervous system
Speaker 1: such that a human operator can use the cockroach like
Speaker 1: a remote control cars.
Speaker 2: So these are real cockroaches.
Speaker 1: These are real cockroaches.
Speaker 2: That have implants in their brain.
Speaker 1: Implants in their brain and tiny cameras and can go
Speaker 1: in swarms into areas where humans or other bigger robots.
Speaker 1: This is from the Swarm biotechniques websites has been referenced
Speaker 1: in a bunch of mainstream press. So I haven't seen
Speaker 1: for myself the swamp that the cockroach being remote controlled.
Speaker 1: But what a world we're living in.
Speaker 2: So why is this happening in Europe specifically?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mentioned that the Vance thing, and one
Speaker 1: of the co founders of Helsing, the more successful drone company,
Speaker 1: told the New York Times quote before, no European VC
Speaker 1: was interested in defense. Now everyone wants to invest. And
Speaker 1: so I think you can't really understand this story without
Speaker 1: understanding how scary it is to be next to Russia
Speaker 1: if you live in Europe. So you know, in New
Speaker 1: York a few months ago, everyone was looking up at
Speaker 1: the sky and seeing all these drones. It's kind of
Speaker 1: scary and chilling. Yeah, it's a lot more scary and
Speaker 1: more chilling to Russia. You look up the sky and
Speaker 1: you see stuff.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: The market is fear driven, of course, So drones, presumably
Speaker 1: Russian drones, have been spotted flying over European bases hosting
Speaker 1: US tactical nuclear weapons that are part of Europe's nuclear
Speaker 1: terrance strategy. The US is believed to have around one
Speaker 1: hundred tactical nuclear bombs in Europe spread across five countries,
Speaker 1: which is half of the US supply not something you
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 2: See, No, you definitely don't. And I know this because
Speaker 2: I just saw the new Cafine Bigelow movie called House
Speaker 2: of Dynamite, and it's about basically the hours leading up
Speaker 2: to a nuclear missile heading to the United States. I'm
Speaker 2: just thinking about it because of this. It sort of
Speaker 2: shows the ways in which the United States isn't exactly prepared.
Speaker 2: I actually want to I want to transition to something
Speaker 2: that is a little bit more CARA, which is music
Speaker 2: culture AI the synthetic creation of new musical artists.
Speaker 1: Well, I have to tell you that one of the
Speaker 1: main investors in Helsing, In fact, I think the lead
Speaker 1: investor in the last round was none other than Daniel Eck,
Speaker 1: who also found his Spotify.
Speaker 2: So there's always but it's also gotten him in trouble,
Speaker 2: that's right, Like many artists have left the platform because
Speaker 2: of this, and it's also why Eck is no longer
Speaker 2: the CEO of Spotify. But yes, I'm here to talk
Speaker 2: about the state of music, and you know that AI
Speaker 2: music is nothing really new, Like we talked about it
Speaker 2: on Sleepwalkers. There was a company called Endell that was
Speaker 2: like the first algorithm to have a record deal. And
Speaker 2: actually in September, Spotify revealed that it moved seventy five
Speaker 2: million spam tracks over the last year. And this has
Speaker 2: become a really big business for people because it's cheap
Speaker 2: to make and if a song is played for more
Speaker 2: than thirty seconds on a streaming platform, the person uploading
Speaker 2: the music gets a royalty. So I'm curious first and foremost, like,
Speaker 2: what do you think about AI music?
Speaker 1: Very good question. I don't know what I think about
Speaker 1: AI music, but what I do think about is that
Speaker 1: I know when people think they are interacting with AI
Speaker 1: created media, they slightly switch off. But I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: that if that continues, I mean.
Speaker 2: They're turned off by the idea. Yeah, sorry, I was
Speaker 2: trying to translate your British. Well. I want to play
Speaker 2: you a song that is number thirty on Billboard's Adult
Speaker 2: R and B Airplay charts, and this artist has over
Speaker 2: one million monthly listeners on Spotify.
Speaker 3: He didn't want me down no stairs, didn't want me
Speaker 3: about them boys who wouldn't care.
Speaker 2: Didn't tell me what a real man sounds like.
Speaker 5: So a fell for that's right.
Speaker 2: He never pulled much. Tell me what you think about it.
Speaker 1: I would have no idea. This wasn't real, right. I
Speaker 1: did like it though, I like especially that. Oh at
Speaker 1: the beginning it sounded a bit like I don't want
Speaker 1: to look for Christmas.
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you something. Not a lick of
Speaker 2: it is real. However, there is some reality.
Speaker 1: It's a human in the loop.
Speaker 2: There is a human in the loop. The person that
Speaker 2: you just heard is Zania Monet.
Speaker 1: Okay, she's real. If she's not real, she.
Speaker 2: Is fake as they come. So I'm a person who
Speaker 2: likes to see when AI is creating an inflection point
Speaker 2: in the culture where it's like, you know, like we
Speaker 2: talked about with Sora, like all of a sudden, we
Speaker 2: can't trust video anymore. Ever, Yeah, I think because this
Speaker 2: artist Zanaia is on the Billboard charts, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That makes it feel different. Right. This is not just
Speaker 1: so garbage that's on Spotify and from time to time
Speaker 1: gets weeded out by a mod or an automatic mod.
Speaker 1: This is a charting song of an artist with a
Speaker 1: name who doesn't exist. That's right.
Speaker 2: And on top of that, she has a manager and
Speaker 2: a multimillion dollar record yeah with Hollwood Media, which is
Speaker 2: an independent record label founded by a former Interscope executive.
Speaker 2: So when I was reading about Zania, it was actually
Speaker 2: unclear to me what about her was a and what
Speaker 2: wasn't like Was it the beats, was it her voice?
Speaker 2: Was it the lyrics? So I actually called up Zenia's manager,
Speaker 2: Ramel Murphy, and he told me that this whole project
Speaker 2: is actually the brainchild of a lifelong friend and poet,
Speaker 2: a thirty one year old named Talisha Nicki Jones.
Speaker 6: Here's Ramel, so I would say Zanayah is an extension
Speaker 6: of Talisha Jones. So that's why it feels so real,
Speaker 6: because she put her raw motions on real life experiences
Speaker 6: into the song. AI is just a tool to enhance
Speaker 6: and give a different experience, not a better, not a worse,
Speaker 6: a different experience. And we're going to be completely transparent
Speaker 6: as we've been from the jump. She's not the vocal
Speaker 6: beast as Zanaia is.
Speaker 2: Ramel and Talisha don't see Talisha's lack of musical training
Speaker 2: as any issue. She's basically using an R and B
Speaker 2: singer songwriter avatar to elevate the real life stories and
Speaker 2: emotions she's putting into her lyrics. And Talisha the poet
Speaker 2: has an undeniably larger reach as Zanaia, the R and
Speaker 2: B singer. So what was interesting about what Ramel said
Speaker 2: is that this is art. Talisha's music is real music,
Speaker 2: even if Talisha herself isn't musically talented in her own right.
Speaker 2: So Talisha has been using an AI music generator called
Speaker 2: Suno to make these songs because, as Ramel put it,
Speaker 2: she is not a singer and she's not a musician,
Speaker 2: She's just a poet. And actually, Talisha appeared on CBS
Speaker 2: Mornings and showed co host Gail King how she uses
Speaker 2: Suno to turn her poems into music.
Speaker 3: And I just take those lyrics, just go in and
Speaker 3: paste a simple style, slow tempo R and B.
Speaker 1: So you're saying, I want slow tempo R and B.
Speaker 5: She adds a few more prompts into AI music generator Suno,
Speaker 5: like female soulful vocals, light guitar and heavy drums, and
Speaker 5: Hilary's just creat.
Speaker 2: I watched some videos of her on Facebook. Talicia, Yeah, Talisha,
Speaker 2: she teaches how to leverage AI tools into financial rewards,
Speaker 2: and I don't know. I feel like she's kind of
Speaker 2: taking this software by the scruff of its neck and saying,
Speaker 2: look like, I'm not going to be a superstar. I
Speaker 2: can build a superstar, and isn't it better for me
Speaker 2: to build a superstar who I then don't have to
Speaker 2: respond for She's a producer.
Speaker 1: Is an interesting combination being a good producer and a
Speaker 1: good marketer. Right She's written Talisha's written the hype cycle
Speaker 1: of AI to become a producer and artist, and Aaron
Speaker 1: write good on I think.
Speaker 2: What people have a problem with is is this music.
Speaker 2: So there's a very well known R and B artist
Speaker 2: named Kailani and she was quoted in a piece in
Speaker 2: Billboard magazine saying, quote, nothing and no one on earth
Speaker 2: will ever be able to justify AI to me. And
Speaker 2: I do understand this. There are many R and B
Speaker 2: artists who have worked for years and years tirelessly to
Speaker 2: hone their craft. And Talisha is a poet, is using
Speaker 2: soon know and is pushing out songs pretty easily using
Speaker 2: digital tools. So Kilani makes a point in the sense
Speaker 2: of like, can we really call Zanaya an artist in
Speaker 2: the same way we call Kilani an artist? I think right.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if all music was this, I would
Speaker 1: be super depressed. But I think because I'm attracted to
Speaker 1: Talsia's story, I feel like I give this a pause.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of agel debate. Right, is a musical
Speaker 1: act more the product of the musician or the producer
Speaker 1: in today's world?
Speaker 2: That is the question. And actually Suno has been sued
Speaker 2: for copyright infringement and a lot of artists are very
Speaker 2: anti Suno that sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, basically stealing people's voices and musical ideas and melodies
Speaker 1: to make this possible.
Speaker 2: Well, they're training SUNO's algorithms with pre existing material, and
Speaker 2: a lot of record companies are part of this larger
Speaker 2: lawsuit where they're saying that is not okay. You can't
Speaker 2: basically facilitate someone's entire musical career on the voice and
Speaker 2: sound of you know, thousands of artists music.
Speaker 1: After the break a pitch to build data centers in
Speaker 1: space and professional soccer coaches experiment with Chatgibt stay with
Speaker 1: us and we're back, Cara, What if I told you
Speaker 1: that Google wanted to harness the power of the sun
Speaker 1: to power data centers.
Speaker 2: I would quote the oft quotable Mel Robbins and say
Speaker 2: let them.
Speaker 1: Let them. I would say, let them. What if I
Speaker 1: told you they would also be honessing the power of
Speaker 1: the Sun for these data centers in space.
Speaker 2: I would say that nothing surprises me anymore. Are they
Speaker 2: doing this well?
Speaker 1: They just We've talked about making plans to send trial
Speaker 1: equipment into orbit by early twenty twenty seven. It's called
Speaker 1: Project Suncatcher.
Speaker 2: Brilliant name.
Speaker 1: Basically, the idea is that tightly packed constellations of solar
Speaker 1: powered satellites orbiting four hundred miles above Earth's surface with
Speaker 1: AI processors could help meet rising demand for AI without
Speaker 1: putting additional strain on our energy resources here on Earth.
Speaker 2: And this is a good idea why.
Speaker 1: The article in the Guardian that I read talked about
Speaker 1: how the bet Google is making here is that it
Speaker 1: will be so cheap to send stuff into space by
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, that will actually be cheaper to do
Speaker 1: data centers in space than on Earth. Google researchers predict
Speaker 1: that the cost of sending stuff to space could drop
Speaker 1: to two hundred dollars per kilogram in this decade, which
Speaker 1: is a multiple lower than it is today.
Speaker 2: So we'd basically be sending these to space because it's
Speaker 2: saving money.
Speaker 1: It's cheaper than using Earth Earth energy. It's better for
Speaker 1: the environment because you don't need you don't need fossil fuels,
Speaker 1: and you don't need water to cool them down because
Speaker 1: it's cold up there.
Speaker 2: Because it's cold up there.
Speaker 1: There are of course some downsides as well. Launching rockets
Speaker 1: emits loads and loads and loads of CO two, So
Speaker 1: you have to believe that the price in CO two
Speaker 1: for the rocket launches will be less than the price
Speaker 1: of CO two in fossil fuels burnt to power data
Speaker 1: centers on Earth. One astronomer gave a quote that also,
Speaker 1: so many satellites in low orbit will be quote like
Speaker 1: bugs on a windshield when trying to observe outer space. Really,
Speaker 1: and so you know, you think we talked, I think
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago about all this space junk
Speaker 1: raining down from the sky, sending loads more stuff, And
Speaker 1: you also have to step back and ask the question,
Speaker 1: do we really really need this much AI processing power
Speaker 1: that we have to send me a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: into space.
Speaker 2: In order to do like shouldn't we do less?
Speaker 1: Maybe? But that's unlikely. Elon Musk is also working on
Speaker 1: data centers in space, and Nvidia AI chips are shortly
Speaker 1: to be launched into space this month in partnership with
Speaker 1: a startup called star Cloud to see if they actually
Speaker 1: work in space. I mean, this is living, this is insane.
Speaker 2: They're sending chips. They're sending Nvidia chips to space to
Speaker 2: see if Nvidia chips will work in space.
Speaker 1: As far as I understand, yes, I don't want to
Speaker 1: see what happens.
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in finding out.
Speaker 1: Don't look up it is.
Speaker 2: Don't look up. I have a story that just is
Speaker 2: much more on Earth.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with school phone bans. And I don't have
Speaker 2: a child, but I think that no.
Speaker 1: Child should use a phone in school ever.
Speaker 2: Really, ever until they're eighteen. Kentucky had a school phone ban,
Speaker 2: and listen to what happened. More people are taking out
Speaker 2: books from the library.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: The Jefferson County Public School District in Kentucky reported that
Speaker 2: kids are checking out more books from the library this
Speaker 2: year than last year. One school in the district saw
Speaker 2: an increase of sixty seven percent more checkouts year over year.
Speaker 2: And they're only like, what is it November. There are
Speaker 2: only a few months into school. It has made a
Speaker 2: huge difference, not just for library usage, but administrators are
Speaker 2: hopeful that this trend will do wonders for reading scores,
Speaker 2: and it's already improved at least one student's mental health
Speaker 2: who told a local outlet quote. At first, I was
Speaker 2: really dramatic about the policy. I thought it was going
Speaker 2: to end my whole life. I just realized this is
Speaker 2: a good chance for me to put my phone down
Speaker 2: and start focusing back on school. It helps people socialize
Speaker 2: because this year I have talked to people more than
Speaker 2: in all the twelve years of me being in school.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: You know what is funny? You have a book club? Yes,
Speaker 1: able to social media power use that.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: I if I'm on vacation, I can read quite quite
Speaker 1: easily and happily. If I'm at home, I want to
Speaker 1: read in the evening, I have shut my phone in
Speaker 1: the other room.
Speaker 2: You have to.
Speaker 1: You have to have your phones anywhere near that book
Speaker 1: is normal.
Speaker 2: And we're in our thirties. We're talking about kids who
Speaker 2: are twelve years old who have been in school, or
Speaker 2: fifteen years old. It goes back to the thing like
Speaker 2: if you give someone a phone, and you give someone
Speaker 2: a book, which one was designed using mechanisms that they
Speaker 2: used to create slot machines. Not a book.
Speaker 1: Not a book, Not a book. I have something which
Speaker 1: is the definition of not boring story, the louver Heist.
Speaker 2: I love the lead following Yes, it's the best.
Speaker 1: So the Crown Jewels of France were essentially poloined. Recently,
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: Age of US sending data centers to space, there are
Speaker 2: still just mom and pop thieves.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. So that's so. The original thought was,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is the most sophisticated criminal gang
Speaker 1: in the world. It turned out to be according to
Speaker 1: the French prostitute of the bunch of local Joshmo, which
Speaker 1: meant that they left their DNA all over the place.
Speaker 1: This is why it's a textuff story. So essentially, in
Speaker 1: France there is a database like there is in the
Speaker 1: US of DNA of people who have been arrested and
Speaker 1: convicted of crimes, and essentially they were able to get
Speaker 1: the DNA from various places, including the Empress Eugenniese Crown,
Speaker 1: which was dropped on the way out, advised and cross
Speaker 1: referenced it with the database of people who had committed
Speaker 1: a crime in France and they got four hits being immediately.
Speaker 2: So easy for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's really interesting here is that the reason the
Speaker 1: DNA samples could catch allegedly the thieves was because these
Speaker 1: people had already committed crimes and been booked about the system.
Speaker 1: So there's four point four million people in France who
Speaker 1: are in this DNA database and they can cross reference.
Speaker 1: That's the same as how it works in the US
Speaker 1: with something called CODIS. You know about COTIS, I do
Speaker 1: the Combined DNA Index System. How do you know about it?
Speaker 2: Because I watched CSI, right, I watch a lot of crimes.
Speaker 1: So CODIS has a lot more hits in it, but
Speaker 1: I think in order of magnitude more. And we actually
Speaker 1: at Kulleioscope have another podcast called America's Crime Lab, which
Speaker 1: I'm going to plug hard here. It is about a
Speaker 1: startup called Othrum who were using forensic DNA techniques, so
Speaker 1: in other words, they can extrapolate based on DNA databases
Speaker 1: even if you haven't already been put in the database
Speaker 1: who you may be based on your relatives and stuff.
Speaker 1: And so they were actually very heavily involved in Golden State,
Speaker 1: well not Golden State actually, but in the Idaho. Oh
Speaker 1: the Idaho, but Golden State was exactly one of these
Speaker 1: cases as well. It's controversial. In France, consumer DNA sort
Speaker 1: of businesses are actually banned. We were talking at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode about Germany's history and the armaments industry,
Speaker 1: because in France, the reason consumer genetic companies are banned
Speaker 1: is because of the Holocaust. You know, inferring people's genealogy
Speaker 1: and Jewishness was a way that you know, many many
Speaker 1: people are senter their deaths in France. So it's always
Speaker 1: two sided, right, I mean, you want you want the
Speaker 1: to use the DNA technology to you know, to help
Speaker 1: figure out who to the Jewels.
Speaker 2: But not who is the jew.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: I can say it. I can say.
Speaker 4: It now for Chat and me.
Speaker 1: I like reading about soccer as you might call it,
Speaker 1: football as I call it on the Guardian, I pretty compulsively.
Speaker 1: I didn't down at for a weird reason like a
Speaker 1: Guardian dot co or UK slash football probably forty times
Speaker 1: a day. I stumbled upon an article with a surprising
Speaker 1: revelation about how professional soccer might be getting help from
Speaker 1: jen Ai.
Speaker 2: I saw this too. Yes. The Seattle rainhead coach Laura
Speaker 2: Harvey confessed on the soccer Is podcast to using chat
Speaker 2: GPT to help coach your team. It was in the
Speaker 2: off season.
Speaker 3: I was like writing things into chat GPT of like
Speaker 3: what is Seattle Rain's identity?
Speaker 2: And it would like spur it out and I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't know if that or not.
Speaker 3: And then it would be I would like, what what
Speaker 3: do you need to do to be successful in the NWSL?
Speaker 1: Lot really broad questions so far so generic?
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I mean it's what many people do with chat.
Speaker 2: They start small, but then pretty soon you realize you're
Speaker 2: asking a chat but whether or not you should stay
Speaker 2: in your relationship even though your partner didn't show enough
Speaker 2: enthusiasm when you started talking about a fake bird you saw.
Speaker 1: So what happened next with the Seattle.
Speaker 3: Rain and then I put in what formation should you
Speaker 3: play to be NWSL teams? And it spurred out every
Speaker 3: team in the league on what formation you should play?
Speaker 3: And for two teams I'm not going to say who
Speaker 3: they are, they'll know the two teams, it went you
Speaker 3: should play back five.
Speaker 4: So I did you know?
Speaker 1: It's interesting because if all soccer teams are playing against
Speaker 1: each other are using AI tactics, and it's like.
Speaker 2: It's like saying all coaches have the same knowledge base,
Speaker 2: but it's like.
Speaker 1: On acid exactly, except Laura Harvey and the rest of
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, like Talisia, did a deep dive into
Speaker 1: whether or not the defensive tactic recommended by would actually work.
Speaker 1: So again, good to get the prompts or good to
Speaker 1: get the output, and then good to use it for
Speaker 1: your purposes. Yep, smartly.
Speaker 2: So was this a winning strategy?
Speaker 1: Well, Laura didn't say which teams are they played against
Speaker 1: using chats tactics, but Seattle Rain have played with a
Speaker 1: back five at multiple points this season and it seems
Speaker 1: to be paying off. In twenty twenty four, they rank
Speaker 1: second bottom in the league, and this year they're number
Speaker 1: five and heading into the twenty twenty five quarter finals.
Speaker 2: A win for chat GPT. I'm going to be looking
Speaker 2: out for that back five. I'm also going to be
Speaker 2: looking out for submissions for chatting me. We want to
Speaker 2: hear how you were using chatbots to win championships. Email
Speaker 2: us at tex Stuff podcast at gmail dot com. That's
Speaker 2: it for this week for Tech Stuff I'm Kara Price.
Speaker 1: And I'm os Valoshin. This episode was produced by Elisa
Speaker 1: Dennis Tyler Hill and Melissa Slaughter. It was executive produced
Speaker 1: by me Kara Price, Julian Nutter, and Kate Osborne for
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Speaker 1: Beheth Fraser and Jack Insley makes this episode. Kyle Murdoch
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