WEBVTT - Is It a Quagmire? 

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong is Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Arm Strong and Jetty and he arm Strong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like people are living what they're telling

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<v Speaker 2>Polsters do tell so like seventy five percent of people

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<v Speaker 2>say they're the economic conditions in this country are poor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet Mother's Day weekend we spent more money than we've

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<v Speaker 2>ever spent for Mother's Day weekend. Now you pointed out

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<v Speaker 2>rightly that well, with inflation, you know, it could have

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<v Speaker 2>been equal to last year, and it would be more.

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<v Speaker 2>But if three quarters of people think the economic push

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<v Speaker 2>is a situation in America is poor and their personal

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<v Speaker 2>finances are terrible, wouldn't you think he'd go down significantly?

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<v Speaker 2>Like significantly. Also, I'm hearing that Memorial Day weekend which

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<v Speaker 2>is coming up, all the experts are predicting the busiest

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<v Speaker 2>travel weekend in US history.

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<v Speaker 1>He's bit at the gas prices, really, I know, and

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<v Speaker 1>and airfares are crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>High, right, I know. None of this fits together, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the point I'm making. And then the Wall Street

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<v Speaker 2>Journal had a big piece because we set records on

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<v Speaker 2>all three indexes yesterday or day before with the war

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<v Speaker 2>going on and people with these attitudes and inflation numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what what is going on? Yeah? Which is it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you at war?

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<v Speaker 2>With the straight closed and it looking like, boy, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be dicey, And how we get out of this?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see how it could be anything other than

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<v Speaker 2>this attack them again and we're setting stock market records. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if uncertainty is the big you know, driver of people holding.

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<v Speaker 1>Back, Yeah, it's long, complicated answer, involving several factors, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think part of it, the most interesting part of

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<v Speaker 1>it to me is that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wall Street Journal didn't have an answer. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't really have an answer.

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<v Speaker 1>No, how could they. More and more of everybody's perception

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<v Speaker 1>of the world is non personal. Yeah, it's electronic gets

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<v Speaker 1>through the internet, through the web, through the media, as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to No, I'm doing fine. My neighbors seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing fine. I'm checking in with my family. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing pretty well too. My uncle Johnny just lost

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<v Speaker 1>his job, but he's smart, he'll get a new one.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, everybody's like, oh hear out, I almost ducked

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<v Speaker 1>in s bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep hearing how poopy it is out there. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>my perception is bad, bad, right, So it's a It's

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<v Speaker 1>not entirely it, of course, because inflation hurts. It's terrible

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<v Speaker 1>out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and the family, we're going to go somewhere for

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<v Speaker 2>a Memorial Day weekend and stay in a hotel and

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<v Speaker 2>eat out at restaurants and things that we've always done.

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<v Speaker 2>But I understand it's really bad for everybody else. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that what's happening? That's part of it anyway, as all

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<v Speaker 2>work up to this clip from Trump that they led

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<v Speaker 2>with on MS and now today and talked about for

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<v Speaker 2>like a half an hour because they just thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was so insensitive of Trump to say this.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would agree that if.

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<v Speaker 2>You were really worried about being a good popular politician,

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<v Speaker 2>you probably wouldn't have phrased it this way. But Trump

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<v Speaker 2>was asked about high prices in America right now, one.

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<v Speaker 1>Extent our American financial tids makes it motivating you to

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<v Speaker 1>make it deal, not even a little bit. The only

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<v Speaker 1>thing that matters is when.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a due clear weapon.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think about American financial situation. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>about anybody. I think about one thing. We cannot let

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<v Speaker 3>Iran have a nuclear weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I'll do my ms now impersonation. Well, there

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<v Speaker 2>you heard it. Donald Trump doesn't care about your financial situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a panel of seven people who agree with me

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<v Speaker 2>shaking their heads.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing, isn't it. Jim the President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>when gases name the number, doesn't care about your financial situation?

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<v Speaker 1>How can you be so callous?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wouldn't have phrased it that way as a politician,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know how it's gonna get used. But it

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<v Speaker 2>was for the negotiating with Iran. It's trying to make

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<v Speaker 2>it clear to them that I'm under no pressure. You

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<v Speaker 2>are not pressuring me. I am not feeling the pressure

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<v Speaker 2>of this. Dude's right, That's that's what he was saying.

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<v Speaker 2>It's bad messaging. He handed them a club and they

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<v Speaker 2>beat him with it. He could have done a lot

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<v Speaker 2>better than that. But yeah, that's that's clearly what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a terrible way to say it, though he

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have That is the question, though, who's under more

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<v Speaker 2>financial stress? The leaders of Iran can't say the country

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<v Speaker 2>of Iran because they don't give a crap if the

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<v Speaker 2>regular people don't have food or water, electricity or whatever else.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, if I'm going to machine gun you, I certainly

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<v Speaker 1>don't care whether bread is too expensive for you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>no kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>But who's under more financial pressure the leaders ship of

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<v Speaker 2>Iran or you know, the US Congress. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the answer to that. Nobody does yet. But we

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier this New York Times piece quoting all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of US intelligence officials anonymously. Nobody's on the record. They're

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<v Speaker 2>saying that Iran's stockpile of missiles and missile launchers and

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<v Speaker 2>all that sort of stuff is still very robust.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, most of it's intact, which makes you think they're

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<v Speaker 1>not on the verge of fallen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I take it with a grain of salt because

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<v Speaker 1>it's the New York Times. But it seems really well researched.

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<v Speaker 2>And as I said earlier, and it's still true three

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<v Speaker 2>hours later, I haven't seen anybody push back on it

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<v Speaker 2>real hard. You'd have thought if it was easily debunked.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, somebody from the administration would to come out by

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<v Speaker 1>down and said, that is absolutely not true. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>heard that yet. Well, they saw the uh Ar swooping

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<v Speaker 1>coming apparently, or when it started, they took their their

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<v Speaker 1>missile systems to ground in a big hurry and hit them,

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<v Speaker 1>fortified them, whatever part some of their planes in Pakistan. Thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>I can stand honest, broker of the peace talks. That's

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<v Speaker 1>so called hilariously non existent peace talks. Yeah, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's far from over. Is it a quagmire?

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<v Speaker 2>G geek? Oh boy, oh boy.

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<v Speaker 1>I will not use the key word stop it a

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<v Speaker 1>what a funny name for a cartoon character? Yes, a

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<v Speaker 1>quag perv yes, yes, oh boy. Meanwhile, Donald Jay's in

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<v Speaker 1>China having a conference with Old Shijin Ping trying to

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<v Speaker 1>work out trade issues and that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is notable. Hold on, let me ask Claude stand by,

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<v Speaker 2>got to ask Claude a question. How old is the

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<v Speaker 2>dictator of China?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, go on, I'll have the Xijian Ping is the

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<v Speaker 1>freely elected president of China.

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<v Speaker 2>Ha Oh, that's funny, Claude said, China doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>dictator in the formal sense. You got they do in

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<v Speaker 2>the formal sense, you jack ass. He's seventy two. He

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<v Speaker 2>looks older than that. Trump's gonna be eighty next month. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, anyway, So there they are, and it is notable

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<v Speaker 1>that our rhetoric towards China has softened a great deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Jay was I loved him being a China Hawk

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<v Speaker 1>in the first term. He woke up a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>America to the fact that they're not a friend. They're

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<v Speaker 1>an adversary. Yeah, we do some trade with them, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're predatory, they steal everything, they're bent on overthrowing as

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. Much much more conciliatory these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, they claimed they elected Stalin in elections and Kim

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<v Speaker 2>Jong own and don't waste my time.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you call a dictator?

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<v Speaker 2>Claude? They all pretend they were sata, was it? They

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<v Speaker 2>all pretend they're elected. So would he would Claude say

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<v Speaker 2>that about everybody? He wasn't a dictator in the traditional sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Policy is whatever he what's the word, what's the word dictate?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't agree him, he has you killed, right,

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<v Speaker 2>had his dictate?

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<v Speaker 1>He's not a dictator in the formal sense, good lord.

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<v Speaker 1>So increasingly in China they are referring to the United

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<v Speaker 1>States in both official and quasie official publications and scholarly papers,

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest as an empire in decline. They say

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<v Speaker 1>that under Trump it's validated. She's worldview centered on the

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<v Speaker 1>rise of the East in the decline of the West.

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<v Speaker 1>And they used to be kind of envious and admiring

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<v Speaker 1>of our system and how well it worked, even as

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<v Speaker 1>they were trying to get communism up and running. But

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<v Speaker 1>in January, and nationalistic think tank affiliated with the Big

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<v Speaker 1>University published a triumphant report about Trump's first year back

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<v Speaker 1>in office. The report argued that his tariff's attacks on allies,

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<v Speaker 1>anti immigration policies, assaults on the American political establishment had

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<v Speaker 1>inadvertently strengthened China while weakening the US. It's title, Thank Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump an accelerator of American political decay, with the US

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<v Speaker 1>sliding toward polarization, ding institutional dysfunctions, did even Latin American

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<v Speaker 1>style in stability.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and you think that's all Trump's fault, though, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's a god that's truth mixed in with Trump

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<v Speaker 2>derangement syndrome. Acting like these the soul perpetrator of our

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<v Speaker 2>polarization in politics, Give me a break.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I got to hit you with the less

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<v Speaker 1>sentence of this, Michael, get the scary sound ready to

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<v Speaker 1>scary music. At this turning point in history, the authors wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>what we hear is the heavy and haunting toll of

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<v Speaker 1>an empire's evening. I don't know anything. It must be

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<v Speaker 1>a Chinese thing, but it's heavy and haunting. That's the point.

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<v Speaker 2>Relative to the rest of the world, Are we in

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<v Speaker 2>decline or no?

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly it's a rough patch. Clearly we are, don't you

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<v Speaker 1>think in decline and relatively the rest of the world

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<v Speaker 1>world compared to the past fifty years. Oh, how are

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<v Speaker 1>we not in decline?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but.

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<v Speaker 1>By that definition, who's not in decline?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just thinking our ability to influence things all around

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<v Speaker 2>the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, in terms of economic independence, Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>more you know, on the hook for you know, cooperating

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<v Speaker 1>with people we don't want to cooperate with, including on

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<v Speaker 1>critical industries sometimes, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is has been a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, Ye'd stand tough forever. It's a rough patch, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt, But that's history. I am completely convinced that

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<v Speaker 1>the unbelievably great post Cold War twenty years of peace

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<v Speaker 1>and prosperity interrupted maybe by nine to eleven was just

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<v Speaker 1>so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>For the US in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we have a way of human beings of

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<v Speaker 1>assuming that what is will always be, even if, like

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of history it hasn't been. We think,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, whoa, we got it licked. It's like when

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<v Speaker 1>Alan green Span, I'm going deep into the weeds now.

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<v Speaker 1>But when Alan Greenspan the Chairman of the fedback in

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<v Speaker 1>the day and else today, we figured out inflation, figured

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<v Speaker 1>out managing the economy. No more recessions, no more inflation.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody that's over. That was crazy, wasn't it, He said

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<v Speaker 1>with a perfectly straight face.

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<v Speaker 2>I always related to sports dynasties at some point because

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<v Speaker 2>they all decline at some point, and at some point

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of come to believe that we're gonna win

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<v Speaker 2>just because our uniforms we have. We're wearing the Patriots

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<v Speaker 2>uniforms or the Lakers uniforms or the Bulls uniforms or

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<v Speaker 2>whoever with.

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<v Speaker 1>The dynasty was.

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<v Speaker 2>But if the players ain't the same, or they're old

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<v Speaker 2>and slower or whatever, it doesn't matter. Yeah, the uniform

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<v Speaker 2>didn't win it. So the US is in a rebuilding year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way I see it. They'll be fine. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it will be fine. I think you know,

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<v Speaker 1>AI's gonna wipe out the whole world. But yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be as fine as anybody else as the robot

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<v Speaker 1>wolves come for our throats literally Japanese. I've always said

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese Japanese robot wolves are selling like hotcakes in Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of a I indeed, what kind of F

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<v Speaker 1>and A? I S what the top of a? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's what the f type of AI s E? What

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<v Speaker 1>ap of a? That's what we're asking. It's on everyone's lips. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>more on the way.

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<v Speaker 4>Armstrong, because quite honestly, this is there's not a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of upside to the so much. It's not like there's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be a transform transformational breakthrough in US Chinese

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<v Speaker 4>relations that can't be downside, but there are potential downs

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<v Speaker 4>For me, it's more success is more the avoidance of downsides.

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<v Speaker 4>Then it's gonna be Then it's gonna be big upside.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, here you go, that's probably a better way

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<v Speaker 2>to look at the whole summit between Trump and the dictator.

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<v Speaker 1>She uh just trying to avoid downside.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got an argument with Claude, and I decided

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to it. I asked, I was wondering

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<v Speaker 2>how old president she is president? Using my finger quotes,

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<v Speaker 2>how old is the dictator of China? Claude responded, China

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a dictator in the formal sense, but he

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<v Speaker 2>is seventy two years old. So I followed up during

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<v Speaker 2>the commercials was Sadam Musein a dictator?

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<v Speaker 1>Claude said yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sadam Usein ruled Iraq from seventy nine to two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and three, widely classified as dictator blah blah blah, goes

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<v Speaker 2>through all the different sort of stuff, elections whatnot. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>they pretend to have fair elections, just like they do

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<v Speaker 2>in China, do they not? And they called both of

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<v Speaker 2>them president. You're right that both held managed elections and

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<v Speaker 2>use the title president. The parallel is real on those points.

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<v Speaker 2>Sadam's election famously returned ninety nine percent percent, the different

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<v Speaker 2>being the polit burea blah blah blah. And then it

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<v Speaker 2>goes on to say China is usually classified as a

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<v Speaker 2>one part of authoritarian state where the Communist Party rules.

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<v Speaker 2>That was until she changed the rules in twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>she changed the rules on how the party works and

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<v Speaker 2>gets to stay president.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you call that? And anybody who shows the

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<v Speaker 1>slightest doubts of his rule is purged and jailed. Your

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<v Speaker 1>skepticism in what's the word dictates all policy? Right, It's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting you can get argument in arguments with these chatbots. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they must be plowing through. Your skepticism about the elections

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<v Speaker 2>and president titles is well founded. Thank you, Thank you too, kind.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I won that argument.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, don't don't be all conciliatory. You were wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and I was right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. That reminds me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the reasons I didn't get a grad

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<v Speaker 1>degree is, you know, in political science and law to

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<v Speaker 1>to some extent, But your professors are arguing about doctrines

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<v Speaker 1>and definitions and like charts. Well, the real world is

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<v Speaker 1>going on, right, No, that it's that I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any patience for that crap. Let's get out and let's

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<v Speaker 1>go out and get our knuckles dirty and get our

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<v Speaker 1>fingerhaels dirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That expression is better than being attacked by a robot dog.

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<v Speaker 1>By god, your robot wolf even worse. Japanese a robot

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<v Speaker 1>wolves they're attributing the rise in demand for the wolf

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<v Speaker 1>shaped robot known as the Monster Wolf, which that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>sound good. No, that's that's a good name though for

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<v Speaker 1>like a metal band, kind of old school, though you'd

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<v Speaker 1>probably play like a lot of steppen Wolf covers in

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<v Speaker 1>deep purple. I wear black denim, I'll tell you that. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>of course you do. But it's developed by this Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>machine parts manufacturer, and they've seen a surge in sales

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<v Speaker 1>amidst amid an increase in bear attacks and sightings in Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean attacks. If they had I'm sure, buying a

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<v Speaker 1>robot wolf for the very rare possible of a bear

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<v Speaker 1>attacking you, Well, they hired a giant turtle monster to

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<v Speaker 1>fight the giant lizard monster and a Gamera versus Godzilla.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, what time guy, they robot dog get hill?

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck? That's what they're asking in Japan as well. What

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<v Speaker 1>y'all got that robot dog in here for?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we hear that one more time? Like, what what

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<v Speaker 2>time guy?

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<v Speaker 1>They robot dog get hill? Fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>She's she's not really uh put off by the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that she I assume she's probably seen the first robot

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<v Speaker 2>dog of her life and she acts like the.

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<v Speaker 1>Unique thing is that it's here. Well, she's calling for accountability, certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>but interestingly enough, the monster Wolf robot is usually used

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<v Speaker 1>to repel wild animals that can damage agricultural areas, such

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<v Speaker 1>as boar, deers, bears. But they've tripled the orders and

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<v Speaker 1>you look at this thing. It looks almost like a

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<v Speaker 1>cartoon wolf with flaming red eyes and big ears and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But evidently it's pretty effective.

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<v Speaker 1>The beasts see that at the edge of the field

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<v Speaker 1>and they think, let's just try somebody else's field.

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<v Speaker 2>As it patrols up and up and down.

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<v Speaker 1>I need one of those. Oh yeah, go everywhere with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, nobody'd mess with you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean my robot does he come across somebody with a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger robot? Wolf Dog talk to Monster Wolf.

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<v Speaker 1>Update on the situation in Marika's university is coming up

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment's stay.

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<v Speaker 5>With us Armstrong and Getty, and it's just in the

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<v Speaker 5>Department of Justice is investigating that suspicious trading around the

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<v Speaker 5>oil market when Trump would make his announcements, So the

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<v Speaker 5>Trump Justice Department is looking into what the hell's going

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<v Speaker 5>on there.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think they could nail that down pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 2>They can figure out who's making those trades, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think can convict anybody, but they could

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<v Speaker 2>certainly make an uncomfortable media story.

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<v Speaker 1>For a lot of people. In the words of Bob Dylan,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't help it if I'm lucky. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>not a campus madness update. It is just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a digestive stories about education and more on college than

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<v Speaker 1>through twelve. But Jason Riley, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant editorialist with

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal, writing about what a great issue school

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<v Speaker 1>choice is for Republicans, and he goes into the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>tax credit thing to provide credits if you donate the

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<v Speaker 1>money to nonprofit organizations, the grant scholarships. If you know

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<v Speaker 1>about how this works, you know. If you don't, it

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<v Speaker 1>take too long to explain. But it doesn't spend any

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<v Speaker 1>state money, and it's an opt in program though, and

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<v Speaker 1>all the Republican governors have said, yeah, this sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful idea, and most Democratic governors are holding off

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<v Speaker 1>out of deference to the teachers' unions who are saying, no,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do this, even though it doesn't take any money.

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<v Speaker 1>Away from any state money, away from schools, from government schools.

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<v Speaker 1>But Kathy Hochl in New York has joined Jared Paulis

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<v Speaker 1>Paulus Poulis in Colorado. No Conservatives they to opt into

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<v Speaker 1>the program because it's just it's irresistible. And he's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the polling, and yeah, school choice pulls so well.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons I get so frustrated with Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and his sloppy, sloppy messaging is that it's a one

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<v Speaker 1>in ten to hold on to the House after a

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<v Speaker 1>president of one party gets selected.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say it roughly one in ten chance or

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<v Speaker 2>done that very often? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like this is the one in ten,

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. They keep stepping on their own tie,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will. How about this one Princeton which is

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly the number one university in the United States alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Who gives a crap, it's changing It's one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three year old honor code over AI cheating fears.

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<v Speaker 1>The faculty is voted to require proctering in all in

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<v Speaker 1>person exams starting this summer, reversing a policy set in

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<v Speaker 1>place in eighteen ninety three. What's proctering students pledge I

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<v Speaker 1>will not cheat. If I do heave my ass out

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<v Speaker 1>of the university. It's a code of honor. But on

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<v Speaker 1>Monday the faculty voted, yeah, nobody's got an the honor.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's cheating anymore. So proctering is essentially supervisors guards.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm dealing with this with my kids. It's

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<v Speaker 2>where using AI, if you're writing a paper or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, where it crosses into cheating is not as

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<v Speaker 2>easy as you think, right, And you know, you start

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<v Speaker 2>asking it some questions and it's it's got a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of sentences there about the topic.

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<v Speaker 1>You just ask about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm supposed to not use that fantastic sentence

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<v Speaker 2>right there with that information, Okay, I won't. All I

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<v Speaker 2>switched those two words.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if I changed two words, am I still cheating

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<v Speaker 1>or you? And what if I'm in a class that

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<v Speaker 1>I suck at. I've tried and I've tried. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>I remember trigonometry and I tried calculus for like six

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<v Speaker 1>weeks in college. I just my brain doesn't work that way,

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<v Speaker 1>but I need it to pass so I can just

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<v Speaker 1>fulfill that requirement and get back to studying that which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm passionate about right. I can easily see somebody rationalizing

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<v Speaker 1>that they might be wrong, because Jack, when you cheat,

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<v Speaker 1>you know who you're cheating.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you like me to tell you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to tell you you're cheating yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>And then what about the idea that you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>people that succeed are going to be the people that

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<v Speaker 2>know how to use AI? May maybe being able to

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<v Speaker 2>ask a couple of AI chatbots questions, phrase different ways

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<v Speaker 2>and pick out which ones are the best versions of

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<v Speaker 2>what they gave you to craft the paper?

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<v Speaker 1>Is the skill you need for the future? That's research. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In a survey of over five hundred seniors, thirty percent

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<v Speaker 1>reported that they personally had cheated on an assignment or exam.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the number is going to be higher in that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about you. I'm skeptical about every survey

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<v Speaker 1>I take where I'm asked to confess to sins, like

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<v Speaker 1>how does this software exactly? That they can't tie it

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<v Speaker 1>back to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not a cheater, and like I never looked

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<v Speaker 2>at anybody's paper in school or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I would never do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Or sometimes answers to tests would be floating around and

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<v Speaker 2>I never engaged in that. But I think I absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>would have used AI to help me write papers, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would have justified it in my own mind. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not cheating right right.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough, in that same poll, nearly half reported personal

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge knowledge of an Honor Code violation, but less than

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<v Speaker 1>one percent had ever made a report. All right, good news.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this, love this, love this. I'm so excited

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Do you remember we told you about this?

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<v Speaker 1>When did this start? A couple of years ago the university?

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<v Speaker 1>Ever have people cheat off of you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I had that all the time, and saw I

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<v Speaker 2>hated it. I just let them. I just was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what am I supposed to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Lean over? My answers were, yeah, I probably should have

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<v Speaker 1>done that. I didn't like it. I resented it. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like it because I thought I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 1>an trouble somehow. But yeah, I just thought, I've busted

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<v Speaker 1>my ass. Why are you glombing off of my work?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what? I didn't realize Jack, they were only

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<v Speaker 2>cheating themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway. So for me, it was always if she was

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<v Speaker 1>cute or not, oh well, oh please. If a haughty

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<v Speaker 1>had said, hey, do you mind if I take a

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<v Speaker 1>look at that. Oh, please to hang on to it

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<v Speaker 1>if you need to. Sure, Yeah, I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>That did happen to me one time in high school.

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<v Speaker 2>The super dute cheerleader that every guy had a cruch on.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, oh, you're so sweet if you would

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<v Speaker 2>love this. And I remember thinking, even as a very unwise,

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<v Speaker 2>very naive whatever, I was sixteen year old, thinking, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a feeling that as soon as this class is over,

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<v Speaker 2>it's being nice to me.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, you are becoming a man jack the

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<v Speaker 1>judgment of them in Okay, So we told you about

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<v Speaker 1>this when it started. The University of North Carolina Chapel Hill,

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<v Speaker 1>the big UNC with the blue and Michael Jordan and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty damned woke in a purple state.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the board of trustees, supported by the state legislature,

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<v Speaker 1>started the uncch School of Civic Life, Life and Leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>an independent like college within the university that was all

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<v Speaker 1>about well, all about traditional Western civ political science, Civics education,

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<v Speaker 1>a regular education as opposed to an indoctrination. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a smashing success. The kids are signing up for

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<v Speaker 1>it in droves. It's expanding like crazy. They're developing a major,

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<v Speaker 1>a master's program, and a PhD program on American political

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<v Speaker 1>thought in constitutionalism, to supplement the growing work with undergrads.

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<v Speaker 1>The number of students declaring a minor in that college

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<v Speaker 1>increased ninety in the second semester this year.

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<v Speaker 2>It is exploding.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's an embittering note to remind you of the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of fight we're in the faculty. Something like ninety percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the faculty when this thing launched signed petitions opposing it.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole thing K through graduate school is so messed up. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't disease my hope that we can break

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<v Speaker 2>out of it is certainly going to be a slow

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<v Speaker 2>process if we even can. Like, we got a clip,

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't played it of some rich guy gave a

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<v Speaker 2>commencement speech at a university of the day and did

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<v Speaker 2>that thing happens every year where some rich guy does this,

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<v Speaker 2>announces I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Paying all of your student debt.

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody goes crazy. And I used to think, oh

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<v Speaker 2>that's nice. Now I think crap another bailing out of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Force the wedge of this. How stump this is right?

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<v Speaker 1>All you did is extend how much longer this crap

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<v Speaker 1>can last? A way overcharge for these useless degrees and

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<v Speaker 1>you bailed it out.

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<v Speaker 2>The only leverage to get value. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the civics movement in higher education is growing across

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<v Speaker 1>the country, not fast enough, but let's be positive, with

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<v Speaker 1>more than forty five centers at forty one institutions in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five states according to the report by the Heterodox Academy,

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<v Speaker 1>that are great their heroes. Civic centers are thriving at

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Florida, University of Texas, at Austin, Arizona State,

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State, among others. Just absolutely fabulous. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>just universally despised by the faculty at UNC when it

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<v Speaker 1>got started. Anybody daring to break three free of the indoctrination.

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<v Speaker 1>Final note, and we don't really have time for this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you the very brief version.

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<v Speaker 2>Four years ago, Havid.

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<v Speaker 1>Committed one hundred million dollars to study how to compensate

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<v Speaker 1>and then compensate descendants of people enslaved reparations who had

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<v Speaker 1>any relationship to Harvard University. Because if you're not familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with this, in the north to the northeast, there were

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<v Speaker 1>corporations and companies that profited from slavery as much as

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<v Speaker 1>the actual slaveholders in the South, and quite a few

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<v Speaker 1>of them were associated with Harvard University.

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<v Speaker 2>But so the committee.

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimately pay produced one hundred and thirty four page report

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<v Speaker 1>confirming that people connected with Harvard had advanced so called

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 1>race science, including eugenics, to justify the slave trade.

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<v Speaker 2>Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>The report called on the school to take responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>its past blah blah blah. So they established what they

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<v Speaker 1>called the Harvard and the Legacy of Slavery Initiative, which

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<v Speaker 1>aimed to and I quote, remedy harms to descendants, to

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<v Speaker 1>our community in the nation, and to campus life and learning.

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<v Speaker 1>It committed an extraordinary one hundred million dollars to the initiative,

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<v Speaker 1>had waste of time and money, and promoted a professor

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<v Speaker 1>of public health policy for a special project to shepherd

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<v Speaker 1>the effort. What followed, and I'm quoting the Free Press,

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<v Speaker 1>was a cascade of institutional embarrassments, high profile resignations, the

0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 1>dismissal of an entire research team, a string of hr complaints,

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<v Speaker 1>and a rebuke from Antigua's ambassador to the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>And so far, at least it's signature effort to find

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<v Speaker 1>to send in some people Harvard enslaved and didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>something for them, presumably financially, has failed miserably. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>they've said essentially, you know, you can't really implement reparations.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't work, it's too complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple hundred years later, yeah, for people that, whatever their situations,

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<v Speaker 2>got nothing to do with that. And you got black

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 2>kids coming from Nigeria wherever they come from, who get

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<v Speaker 2>straight a's and and showing that the family culture of

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<v Speaker 2>caring about education is what matters, not whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen generations ago there were slaves in your family.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, I retweeted this, gosh, dang it, where

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:12.959
<v Speaker 1>did it go? There was another organization that appointed this

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>woman to be the head of the reparations committee. Turns

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<v Speaker 1>out her family back in the slave trade days in

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Nigeria were giant slave traders and became very very wealthy

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 1>trading human beings, and this chick's in charge of pursuing justice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely hilarious. I hope they feel good about themselves.

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's the goal.

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<v Speaker 2>That really is the goal. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that sort of stuff I find demoralizing. Well, although

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I think overall, you got the growth of the unc

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>style civics thing. That's awesome, and Harvard saying, hey, that

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't work. Now, like the San Franciscos and Gavin Newsom's

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 1>of the world, will never admit that this happened because

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 1>they don't actually want reparations. They just want the money

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to flow through them so they can give it to

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 1>their cronies. But it's encouraging that Harvard said, yeah, yeah,

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 1>that was stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, we will lighten it up and finish strong next Armstrong.

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 2>A group of.

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<v Speaker 6>Middle school students in Mississippi kept their bus from crashing

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<v Speaker 6>after the driver passed out behind the wheel. The town

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 6>says the kids are heroes who acted quickly, while the

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 6>bus driver says, the kids robbed me of the death.

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<v Speaker 1>I have long begged for it. Oh, darkly hilarious. You

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<v Speaker 1>all right, speaking of kids, it would be wrong for

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 1>us to announce anything that's not ours to announce. But

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<v Speaker 1>if anybody's wondering about our beloved Katie, everything's great and

0:30:56.480 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>more more to come on that topic. We were discussing yesterday, Jack,

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 1>you brought up how men's brains change when they become dads. Yeah,

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 1>and one of our beloved listeners and women. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah.

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>One of our beloved listeners went to the trouble of actually,

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, chat gpting it or something, and I found

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 1>this interesting. Yes, indeed, men's brains and bodies undergo significant

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:24.479
<v Speaker 1>hormonal and structural changes often called dad brain, during their

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 1>partner's pregnancy and after the baby is born. These changes

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 1>facilitate bonding and caregiving, featuring decreased testosterone and increased feel

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 1>good hormones like oxytocin, alongside structural brain remodeling similar to neuroplasticity.

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>So the structure of your brain actually changes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:45.719
<v Speaker 1>For I don't know why they don't talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>more often.

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 2>It seems like it would be good news to people

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 2>if they're you know, looking at people with kids and thinking, God,

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, could I do that?

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:58.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Because your brain changes, yeah, and nature kicks in.

0:31:58.720 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 1>So there is a lowering of testosterone, which researchers believe

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>pivots them the men from mating behavior to nurturing behavior.

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>That's good. Well, with a newborn baby in the house,

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>there ain't gonna be any mating behavior unless you stray,

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 1>so that's just fine. Increased oxytocin and prolactin you the

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>bonding hormone and proact and increase, aiding insensitivity to the

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>baby's cries and promoting interaction. Stress hormone shifts changes in

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>you'll never remember this, so I won't bother more. Hormones

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>related distress are often observed helping men adapt to the

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>demands of a newborn.

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah so the whole Uh Like I noticed this whenever

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 2>there's a crying kid. Remember that story I told about

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 2>being at that restaurant that kid was screaming, making that

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 2>amazing sound I wanted to I thought they ought to

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 2>be in a circuits the slide whistle sound. But I

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 2>feel like people who haven't raised babies are way more

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 2>bothered by a kid crying, a kid crying on a

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 2>plane whatever set them next to me. I don't care.

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you've been through that, it doesn't bother you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it all as poor parents.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they're not self conscious, yeah, or I.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, so maybe is that because of the change

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 2>in the brain you just said or whatever? But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so similar to mother's new fathers exhibit reduced gray matter

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and regions associated with social cognition, and increased activity in

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<v Speaker 2>regions linked to attachment and empathy. Changes help men help

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.479
<v Speaker 2>men and develop empathy and patients, enabling them to connect

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 2>with and respond to the nonverbal infant, et cetera, et cetera. Oh,

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 2>what's really interesting about this is in women, pregnancy triggers

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 2>those changes automatically.

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<v Speaker 1>They've figured out men's brains change. The more you interact

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<v Speaker 1>with the baby, the more they change, which is interesting.

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>Do you know about kuvad syndrome, Jack?

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<v Speaker 2>No, some men even experien when you like to have

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 2>sex with dead people. Oh boy, it's very different.

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Some men even experienced sympathetic pregnancy symptoms such as weight

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>gain or fatigue alongside their partner. WHOA, Yes, I've kind

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.360
<v Speaker 1>of heard people joke about that. I didn't know it

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 1>was an actual thing, though.

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Wow, you gain weight alongside your partner.

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>When the baby?

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Gun boy?

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Did I gain weight when we had our first kid?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't attribute it to that. Interesting?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I'm way out son.

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<v Speaker 2>Brief.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, here's your host for final thoughts, Joel Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get a final thought from all the ogeez huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's begin with Mike Langelow in the control room.

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<v Speaker 7>Michael, I guess the President Trump and the President of China,

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 7>there's been like a delay. Apparently they got on TikTok

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 7>and they're hooked. He had never seen TikTok before. And

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 7>backyard wrestling and boating mishaps is what they're watching right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't stop scrolling. Yeah, it happens to us and to

0:34:58.040 --> 0:34:58.560
<v Speaker 2>us all.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack A final thought for us, I thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Convinced by our agent yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we'll talk about it more tomorrow that we ought

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<v Speaker 2>to be on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to look into that. We've never had TikTok

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 2>on my phone. I've an anti it, but maybe it's

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 2>just ignoring a giant chunk of the entertainment world. As

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 2>long as I don't have to look at it. I

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<v Speaker 2>know me.

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm easily led. I'm not strong enough to resist its wiles.

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I worry about that too. I don't need another

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>thing to waste time on. I guess my final thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Is, gosh, I gotta be careful with that one. I'm

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna be off tomorrow. I will explain why during what

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<v Speaker 1>will be a fascinating and humiliating and pathetic. Armstrong and

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<v Speaker 1>Getty one more thing, which we will record in moments.

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