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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. Wes Shooler and Matt Williamson with you here

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Speaker 2: on a Wednesday for the next two hours. And Matt, listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm excited every day. Yeah, you know, you and I

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Speaker 2: we say this a lot. We don't, you know, swing

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Speaker 2: hammers on a roof. We're not pouring concrete. We're you know,

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Speaker 2: not crunching numbers in an office or doing life and

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Speaker 2: death stuff in a hospital like we talk about football

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Speaker 2: for a.

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Speaker 3: Living exactly the Chain Gang.

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Speaker 2: It's right, Yeah, it's it's most days are exciting and

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Speaker 2: fun and you're you're ready for the conversation. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: we've got some fun stuff to get into today. We've

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Speaker 2: got a beefy around campus segment where we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about some college quarterbacks, particularly on the back of

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Speaker 2: that conversation we had yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Those on Video West actually put some some work.

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Speaker 4: Into watching on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: It's a three page me sending you documents and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: You know, listen, you read you are Lemieux, okay, and

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Speaker 2: we go as you go. But I like to be

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Speaker 2: Ya or Francis or coffee from time to time and

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Speaker 2: carry some weight as well too, So we have a

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Speaker 2: beefy around campus conversation. Today we're gonna talk to our

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Speaker 2: buddy Chris Halleck in our number two. We've got to

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Speaker 2: get back to this is on me. Something I forgot

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Speaker 2: to do last week are look through the Steelers up

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Speaker 2: coming opponent and pick somebody off their roster.

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Speaker 4: Areciation.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't I wasn't too upset about missing it last week.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a pretty easy one.

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Speaker 3: That might have went a little different if they could

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Speaker 3: have put Chase in black, and.

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Speaker 2: I certainly think if Jamar Chase would have been wearing

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Speaker 2: black and gold, the Steelers might have find a way

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Speaker 2: to get a win and we'd be sitting five and

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Speaker 2: one and real pretty right now. Uh, all of that

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Speaker 2: and more, and speaking of Jamar Chase, Matt, I wanted

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Speaker 2: to start today a little different on a Wednesday. But

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Speaker 2: something I told you that we were gonna do yesterday,

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Speaker 2: I think this will be another fun moment for you

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Speaker 2: that you can be Professor Williamson.

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Speaker 4: I'll be the.

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Speaker 3: Still and you can you can.

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Speaker 2: Pick apart my work here. Top ten White, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: do best of the West. We're going to switch gears.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be my top ten teams in

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Speaker 2: the NFL. It's going to be the top ten wide

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Speaker 2: receivers in the NFL right now today, Wednesday, October twenty second.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have one question for you. I'm glad you

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Speaker 3: said today not just like body all that you.

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Speaker 2: Know Mike Evans is not going to be on this list.

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Speaker 2: Maybe if you're hurt, So I like, I'm glad you say.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you say that I included Puka because he's

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Speaker 2: expected back.

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Speaker 3: That's how I would handle it.

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Speaker 2: If you're looking like a long term injury or someone

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Speaker 2: like Tyreek Hill. Now I don't think he would have

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Speaker 2: been on this list at this point in his career.

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Speaker 2: But the first thing I wrote here is Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 2: Mike Evans not concerned or not considered long term injured.

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Speaker 3: Agreed that's how i'd handle it too. So I guess

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Speaker 3: they're older, and what's their future like? And you know,

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Speaker 3: I know we're not doing future exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And again, Tyreek probably wouldn't have been in that conversation anyways.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Evans would have been towards the back end. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna leave those two off. But I included Puka because

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Speaker 2: of what he's done so far this season and that

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Speaker 3: Or if you're doing a week ago, Lamb would be

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Speaker 3: on there. He's coming back.

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Speaker 4: Correct, exactly right, exactly.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I'm probably gonna be harsh on you

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Speaker 3: love it, and it's an awful list to try to make.

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Speaker 3: There's so many good ones.

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Speaker 2: I was telling you, I'm very confident. I'll pull back

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Speaker 2: the curtain just real quick. I'm very confident in my

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Someone might say, all the guy that you have at five,

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Speaker 3: So your tops usually we go, we count down. I

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Speaker 3: was gonna I want to go the other way on this.

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Speaker 2: I think that might be more fun too, because I

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Speaker 2: think it gets more intriguing the further down you go,

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Speaker 2: as opposed to because Matt, the top two was very

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Speaker 2: It took me five seconds to write down on my

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Speaker 2: list Number one Jamar Chase number two.

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Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the only conversation is do you want to flip them?

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Speaker 3: And I think no. I would go Chase one. Jefferson two.

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Speaker 3: L's usually be well represented. I don't know if Ohio

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Speaker 3: State will be, but I mean, it's pretty crazy if

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Speaker 3: they both were teammates. And it's not just because Chase

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Speaker 3: just tore the Steelers up. Jefferson's also dealing with some

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Speaker 3: quarterback stuff, but it wasn't like Chase didn't throughout the year.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 3: I think Chase has surpassed him.

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Speaker 2: The Triple Crown last year, and he won the Triple

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Speaker 2: Crown last year and that was with Joe Burrow. But

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Speaker 2: I mean he's tearing it up again this year with

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Speaker 2: three different quarterbacks so far to this point, and I realized,

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned Justin Jefferson, his entire career has not

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Speaker 2: had an ideal quarterback situation. A couple couple good years

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Speaker 2: of Kirk Cousins, goodyear of Sam Darnold, but not Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 2: and a triple Crown type season. Yeah, but I give

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Speaker 2: I give Chase a slight ed I would be happy

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Speaker 2: It's justin Jefferson. I'm not going to push back a ton,

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Speaker 2: but I'm gonna go Chase one Jefferson two.

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Speaker 3: I think Chase is slightly more impressive physically, speed coming

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Speaker 3: out of his brakes. He's really hard to tackle. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's a physical dude.

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Speaker 4: You know, slippery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's powerful too. So I would take Chase,

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Speaker 3: but you're splitting hairs. I think they are both on

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Speaker 5: Grades, Yes, like top ten of all times. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: like those that same type of conversation. Those two are

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Speaker 5: outstanding and on my list, Matt, I did one, I

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Speaker 3: I think there's a gap and now I think it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Now is when it starts to get interesting. But I

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Speaker 2: think that there's a clear cut. Those are the best

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Speaker 2: right now JSN or maybe if he wouldn't have gotten

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Speaker 4: But I'm going those two kind of just in a

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Speaker 4: in a slight class of their own.

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Speaker 3: No, I agree. I think they're tier one.

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Speaker 4: Now is when it gets tough, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I got Pooka three js N four, And

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Speaker 2: I know Pooka's banged up, huh, But he was offensive

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Speaker 2: player of the year type numbers until he missed these

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Speaker 2: last couple weeks with injury. I realized JSN has been outstanding.

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Speaker 2: This one was very difficult for me. I could easily

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Speaker 2: flip flop these two. Okay, but I'm thinking right now,

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Speaker 2: if I have them both healthy and I can only

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Speaker 2: have one to play for the Steelers on Sunday, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go Puka.

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Speaker 4: Just buy a hair him at three, JSN at four.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So the detractors would tell you Pokah is a

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Speaker 3: certain type of receiver. Absolutely, He's a product of his environment.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jack yep.

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Speaker 4: Make good grades in school.

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Speaker 3: He benefits from Stafford and especially McVeigh, And I would

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Speaker 3: say all those things are true. Yes, they get the

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Speaker 3: most out of him. So maybe his production is a

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Speaker 3: tick better than his tape. Okay. I mean that's I

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Speaker 3: think mcvay's the best coach in the league. That's what

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Speaker 3: great coaches do. He got a Hall of Fame quarterback

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Speaker 3: throwing to him. They use him extremely well. And I

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Speaker 3: would not have considered Puka a top five guy a

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Speaker 3: year and a half ago.

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Speaker 4: Totally.

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Speaker 3: Now I think he's three because he is a killer

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Speaker 3: Durability has to factor in a little bit because it's

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Speaker 3: a little bit questionable because he plays so hard too.

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Speaker 3: But he's not just like, oh, that's a cute story

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Speaker 3: of a fifth or six round pick. No, he's a star. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I got no problem with him in three.

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Speaker 2: It was for js M and he's another one Matt

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Speaker 2: that before this year, I don't any of I don't

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Speaker 2: think any of us would have thought that this was

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Speaker 2: well in Seattle and they're one of the best teams

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Speaker 2: the football with Kenneth Walker, they're making an plays, their

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Speaker 2: defense is great. I don't think we would say JSN

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Speaker 2: has been the straw that's been stirring that drink. But

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Speaker 2: he certainly has.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to argue with him right now. As

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Speaker 3: oh quick question, is neighbors allowed to be on this list?

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Speaker 4: I did not include him?

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Speaker 3: Okay, have mentioned that to previous rules to make sure

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Speaker 3: he's not on the list.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Sorry, I meant to mention that when I talked

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Speaker 4: about that.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing else you guy coming up. I'm glad we

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Speaker 3: didn't because he's not He's not in the picture.

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Speaker 4: It'd be one thing if he was going to be

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Speaker 4: back in November.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, then he would probably absolutely be on

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Speaker 5: this he'd be considered.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to fight you on JSN. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked that I'm to that point with him because

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Speaker 3: even like when the Steelers played Seattle earlier in the season,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm like, boy, this guy's really good. He's

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Speaker 3: getting all the targets massive target share, already had an

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Speaker 3: explosive Week one. But I don't know that he attacks

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Speaker 3: all levels of the field yet. You know, is he

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Speaker 3: a chain mover and is he a outside the numbers? Sure,

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Speaker 3: you know, true on the ball X.

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Speaker 4: Guy, and he's still going to find a way to

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Speaker 4: make plays.

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Speaker 3: I had those questions. Still, I think he's erased both

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Speaker 3: those questions, though. I mean he's I think we talked

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Speaker 3: to him yesterday. He's unbelievably fluid. He might be the

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Speaker 3: best route runner in the league from either outside or

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Speaker 3: the slot, where he's still a specialty and he's not

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Speaker 3: just a nickel and dimer now, I mean the long

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Speaker 3: double moves. Yeah, he's in that conversation. And I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you have these guys on the list or not.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you considered them. I'm going to always be

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Speaker 3: a little bit prejudice towards the big, strong, fast guy absolutely,

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Speaker 4: Right, he looks like he looks like a gazelle out there.

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Speaker 3: But I think the way defenses are playing and the

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so you're right, none of the kind of

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Speaker 3: Right, they're not the most productive guys in the league

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Speaker 2: Matt Jsn only player in the league right now with

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Speaker 2: Pretty impressive. I mean, he doesn't that of the top

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Speaker 3: And that wasn't his bag before it was. That's a

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Speaker 2: Sixteen point four average yards per reception, eight hundred and

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Speaker 4: I think he is really having a special year.

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Speaker 3: we'll get to him, but not far off. I mean

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Speaker 4: I mean, does this for another four years.

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Speaker 4: He's got he's got some Hines Award in him too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Daddy was a big time bodybuilder that was really

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Speaker 3: you know. So he might be six or seven, but

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Speaker 4: Number six, I have Ceede Lamb.

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Speaker 3: I think got Lamb's the name I would have ahead

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Speaker 4: Okay, that one was tough for me.

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Speaker 2: I've got Almond Ross, Saint Brown five, Seede Lamb six.

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Speaker 3: Okay, phenomenal to catch point, he too looked like he

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Speaker 2: Yes it is, Yes it is, and man, they are

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Speaker 4: Yes, I have Ceedee Lamb at six.

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Speaker 2: Then I put another gap, Matt, and maybe not necessarily

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Speaker 3: I say, you're okay. He did start to segment by

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Speaker 2: I said, those six for me were I think these

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Speaker 2: I put Pooker, JSN, do I put am on Ross

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine having a top ten list with thought

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Speaker 2: You have one at eight or something like that, right,

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Speaker 2: Number seven. This one might get me some pushback from

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Speaker 2: October twenty seventh, I've got George Pickens at number seven. Wow,

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Speaker 3: See, but I think that checks another box.

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Speaker 3: He didn't consider for the top Maybe he gets.

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Speaker 2: He is playing at an insanely high level right now

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Speaker 2: Way he's playing right now, compared to some injuries and

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Speaker 3: Mean, it's hard to argue in terms of I think

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Speaker 2: When he's engaged like he is right now. He's he's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he is so coincidentally, I every Wednesday I

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Speaker 4: Yes, I was gonna say, I know that name for Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Has he jumped on with US Radio road to combine before?

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Speaker 4: Maybe not live?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad you differentiated there, because there is

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Speaker 3: I mean, just keep it going. If they're gonna give

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Speaker 2: Don't go be the one another bad situation. Should it

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, So again, this was where it really got hard,

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Speaker 2: the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I see the lens you're going with here.

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Speaker 2: First seven weeks of the season, right and I know

441
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Speaker 2: he's just a rookie. He could start taking some step back,

442
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 2: he could hit a wall. All those different teams could

443
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Speaker 2: get more tape on him and start to slow him

444
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Speaker 2: down a little bit. Right now, I've got a mecha

445
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Speaker 2: Buca at number eight, seventh and yards, fifth in touchdowns,

446
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 2: And yeah, Baker's having a great season, but that offense

447
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 2: has really had to almost week to week patch it

448
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Speaker 2: together and figure it out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think he'll take a step back.

450
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Speaker 3: I think he is going to be a star. I

451
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Speaker 3: think he'll be the number one there for the next

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Speaker 3: five years or whatever. I mean, no matter what happens

453
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Speaker 3: with Godwin or Evans career, blah blah blah. And I

454
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Speaker 3: see the lens you're taking here. I'm gonna be a

455
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Speaker 3: little more prejudiced on I'm gonna count body of work

456
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Speaker 3: maybe a little more than you did. Yeah, you know

457
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Speaker 3: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think there's any like right or wrong

459
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Speaker 2: right approaches to it.

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Speaker 4: That's why it's fun these conversations.

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Speaker 3: Like you mentioned Nico, and I would bring up A J.

462
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Speaker 4: Brown he was He's on the list too, And neither.

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Speaker 3: One's having their best year or the I mean A

464
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Speaker 3: buk is having better years in them. Pickens is having

465
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Speaker 3: better years than them. I don't know that they're Like

466
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Speaker 3: Jarrett Wilson's another one of those guys.

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Speaker 2: For me, I know how good he is, but he's

468
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Speaker 2: not having a great year where i'd put him.

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Speaker 3: He was a name I was kicking around in my

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Speaker 3: head too. I'm like, yeah, and even like an older

471
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Speaker 3: guy like at Davonte Adams, I mean like he's still

472
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Speaker 3: so good at.

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Speaker 4: What he is on my other receiving votes, Okay, I.

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Speaker 3: Think he'd be on my outside looking in. I get it.

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Speaker 3: A Buca would not be in my top ten, but

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Speaker 3: he's pushing that way hard.

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Speaker 2: And then again this crazy difficult. I went Nico Collins

478
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Speaker 2: at number nine.

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Speaker 3: If before the season, I may have had him three.

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Speaker 4: Before the season, I think he would have definitely been

481
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Speaker 4: top five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh for sure.

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Speaker 2: And he didn't have a great week Las week against Seattle.

484
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Speaker 2: But a few weeks before that he had been looking

485
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Speaker 2: more and more like himself. I know he played well

486
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Speaker 2: against the Bucks, against the Jags, against the Titans, against

487
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Speaker 2: the Ravens. Three touchdowns in four games, well over thirteen

488
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Speaker 2: yard average on receptions. Was starting to look a little

489
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Speaker 2: bit like himself until that situation in Seattle.

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Speaker 3: Uh might I think he'd be my vote for just

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Speaker 3: outside the top six guys. I think he'd be by seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and again he would have been like four when the

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Speaker 3: season started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was maybe the toughest like him and and

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Speaker 2: him and Abuca and Pickens were maybe the toughest ones

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Speaker 2: to evaluate, just besally their current situations.

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Speaker 4: And then number ten. I put the Vonta Smith at

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Speaker 4: number ten.

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Speaker 2: Really, my next one's out, Garrett Wilson, Davante Adams, Drake London.

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Speaker 4: I put the Vonta Smith at number ten.

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Speaker 3: London has a strong case. I wouldn't have considered Smith

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Speaker 3: either because I think Brown's better than him.

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Speaker 2: I think he's better than him too, but he's not

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Speaker 2: having a better year than him right now, and his.

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Speaker 3: Tape this year is not better than I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think Brown may have woke up this last week or two,

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Speaker 3: but his early season tape is pretty sluggish. Smith is

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Speaker 3: another model consistency, that's I mean. And if he was

509
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Speaker 3: in a passing offense, he could be like.

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Speaker 4: If you swapped him with Poka Nukua, you know what I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, right, right, or if he was in Green Bay right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, exactly interesting. I don't love that pick,

513
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Speaker 3: but I know, but boy, he's good all.

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Speaker 2: Just looking at his numbers and his consistency this season,

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Speaker 2: I gave him the edge over Garrett Wilson, who admittedly

516
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Speaker 2: is in a bad situation, Davante Adams who's having a

517
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Speaker 2: great year, Drake London who's having a great year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna do some a quick exercise. You know

519
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 3: how my brain works. I go division by division, so

520
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Speaker 3: make sure I don't miss anybody. Bill's no Miami, no Jets.

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Speaker 3: We talked about Wilson outside the outside the no one

522
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Speaker 3: on New England, sorry DK, no Steeler, no Brown Higgins,

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Speaker 3: no or you talking about Chase.

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Speaker 4: Higgins would probably be in a fifteen top twenty conversation.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, but yeah, he's still a really good player.

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Speaker 3: But no, no Raven, no no other Texan, no Titan,

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Speaker 3: no Colt they got good players, but no, Brian Thomas

528
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Speaker 3: would have sort of been thought about if we did

529
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Speaker 3: it in the off season, but you can't now.

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Speaker 4: Maybe Travis Hunter will be in this conversation by the

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Speaker 4: end of.

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Speaker 3: The year, but no, of course Chiefs No, although Racie Royce, like,

533
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Speaker 3: if I had anyone in fantasy going forward, I might

534
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Speaker 3: pick him. He's kind of an incomplete grade. No Raider,

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Speaker 3: no Bronco Charge, no Charger. We talked about Dallas. No

536
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Speaker 3: on Washington because McLaurin it would have been outside anyways,

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Speaker 3: We covered the Eagles, we covered neighbors. He would be

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Speaker 3: my top.

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Speaker 4: Team for sure if he were healthy.

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Speaker 3: For Yes, yeah, Bears is a no. Packers is a no.

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Speaker 3: We talked about Minnesota at and no. Saint Brown. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we already talked about Tampa. We covered pretty strong London.

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Speaker 3: You can make a case could be in the top ten.

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Speaker 4: Like I think he's definitely top fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's he would be eight to fifteen for me

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Speaker 3: for sure. Yes, I like both Saints, but no. Pat

547
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Speaker 3: McMillan's actually having an Abuca like season, and now that he's.

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Speaker 4: Another woman, I'm making about this, Like, by the end

549
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Speaker 4: of the year, he.

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Speaker 3: Might be trending the right way, but too early for

551
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Speaker 3: me to go there. And we just have the West.

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Speaker 3: We talked about Smith and Jigba, no one else from Seattle. Yeah,

553
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Speaker 3: both those guys are covered. I can't be in it anymore.

554
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Speaker 3: And Harrison's not there. Yeah, so we didn't miss anybody.

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Speaker 3: I mean, mine would not be very different than that.

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Speaker 4: I thought.

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Speaker 3: I thought i'd critique it harder.

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Speaker 4: I thought you would too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now I feel good. It's like walking into the classroom

561
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Speaker 2: thinking all right, I'll take a seat here, just get

562
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Speaker 2: through this. Somehow, somehow I scrape by with an a.

563
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Speaker 2: I can't believe it.

564
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Speaker 4: There's our best of the West. For what is this now?

565
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Speaker 4: Heading into week eight in the National Football League?

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Speaker 2: Top ten wide receivers in the NFL right now today

567
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Speaker 2: on October twenty second. You know where to get at

568
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Speaker 2: us on Twitter if you want to get involved and

569
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Speaker 2: critique that. But we are way overdue for a break.

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Speaker 2: We'll continue the conversation on the other side. West Huuler,

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. It is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: Home of the Black and goal Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 2: Radio back on the drive here on a Tuesday, Matt,

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Speaker 2: and we have got some Steelers news that is more

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Speaker 2: more global Steelers news than kind of current day to

578
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Speaker 2: day Steelers news, but certainly always something that we like

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Speaker 2: to hear. Four Steelers have advanced in the voting into

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Speaker 2: the next round for the Hall of Fame class of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. Those four are kicker Gary Anderson, linebacker

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Speaker 2: James Debo Harrison, center Marquise Pouncey, friend of the show

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Speaker 2: joined us for an incredible segment, and who we just

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Speaker 2: spoke about in the previous segment, wide receiver Hines Ward.

585
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Speaker 2: Those four have moved into I believe it is now

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Speaker 2: the semi final stat.

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Speaker 3: They haven't narrowed it down to sixteen yet.

588
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Speaker 4: That's like, which is the final final?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you're in the mix. I forget

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Speaker 3: how many numbers. It's not thirty two. I don't know

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Speaker 3: how many from this layer of the process, but there's

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Speaker 3: a lot.

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Speaker 4: It looks like, yes, it looks like there will be.

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Speaker 2: They will cut down to twenty five next and then

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Speaker 2: twenty finalists for.

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Speaker 3: The when they go vote. There's twenty names when they.

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Speaker 2: Go vote, there's twenty finalists that get presented before that committee,

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Speaker 2: and Dale's told those stories before. Yeah, everyone has to

599
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: get up and say, here's why Troy Paula Malho should

600
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Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame. And then you just

601
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Speaker 2: laugh and get off the stage, and everybody votes him

602
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Speaker 2: in because.

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00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 3: It's anybody could have done your job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, who was the one in charge of

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Speaker 2: getting fan and why did it take you so long?

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Speaker 3: Goodness, gracious, let's start with well, let's just go through

607
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Speaker 3: them all real quick. Gary Anderson's interesting to me, but

608
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Speaker 3: he's a no I think as a kid it was

609
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Speaker 3: him and Morten Anderson were by far the best kickers

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Speaker 3: on the plan.

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Speaker 2: I think you and I have had this conversation before,

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Speaker 2: you know, and we've laughed about this before, our dear

613
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Speaker 2: brother Dale. We each had some things that we know

614
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: would stick in his craw, that we would over a

615
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: couple of beers at Sharky's always debate.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, right, Like you know, you talk to Dale.

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Speaker 2: About how good Sidney Crosby is and here comes, you know,

618
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Speaker 2: but a tie rate about how Alexandrovitchkin's better because he

619
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Speaker 2: scores more, you know, guitar players and things like that.

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Speaker 4: Kickers and specialists were one of those things that.

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Speaker 2: I felt like we would always get into an argument

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Speaker 2: at some point the.

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Speaker 3: Drive, and we didn't really argue much. We both kind

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Speaker 3: of saw it the same way, and I think I

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Speaker 3: I was a little more at one in I just

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Speaker 3: I love Hall of Fame talk. By the way, we

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Speaker 3: haven't had much Hall of Fame talk, you and I.

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Speaker 2: But when big conversations come up, like this, Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame being the biggest one obviously, but even like Team

630
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Speaker 2: MVP stuff with Chris Boswell, it's it's like everybody tries

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Speaker 2: to sit on both sides of the fence. They try

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Speaker 2: and downplay it until it's time to talk about how

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Speaker 2: important that guy is, or until that guy misses a

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Speaker 2: field goal, or until until a kit goes over Caleb

635
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Speaker 2: Johnson's head, Like we want to minimize, we want to

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Speaker 2: minimize not uh Dante Halls, Devin Hester. We want to

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Speaker 2: minimalize Devin Hester until a kick goes over Caleb Johnson's

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Speaker 2: head and we're all screaming, yelling about how special teams

639
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Speaker 2: cost you a game.

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Speaker 3: And pus like Hester nobody ever kicked to him. I mean,

641
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Speaker 3: like they changed, they has changed the way they played

642
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: special teams because I'm so scared of that guy.

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Speaker 2: Every NFL coach Matt talks about three sides of the ball,

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Speaker 2: every single one. It bothers me when these conversations go

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Speaker 2: up and they're like, yeah, well, football is a big

646
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Speaker 2: game played with big men. You gotta block, you gotta tackle.

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Speaker 2: Specialists don't belong in this conversation. Okay, then take them

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Speaker 2: out of the game. Yeah, I mean, how many times

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Speaker 2: is Chris Boswell. I will be pounding the table for

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Speaker 2: Chris Boswall to make the NFL Hall of Fame because

651
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Speaker 2: when Mike Tomlin goes into the NFL Hall of Fame

652
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Speaker 2: one day, they're gonna play that stat of twenty some

653
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Speaker 2: straight years without a losing season, and if it wasn't

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Speaker 2: for Chris Boswell that.

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Speaker 3: It would have been broken, if it was just Joe

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Speaker 3: average kicker, not even like a bad kicker. And the

657
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Speaker 3: people that.

658
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: Have helped Mike Tomlin achieve that streak. Number one is

659
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger.

660
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: Number two is Chris Boswain pretty high on list.

661
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: So that kind of I think, not you, but I

662
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: think in general, people talk out of both ends of

663
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: their mouth when they talk about specialists in these type

664
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: of conversations.

665
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: So what I've suggested is is like Justin Tucker to

666
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: me is an easy Hall of Famer. I mean, like,

667
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: if we're talking just talking kickers, he's a weapon. He's

668
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: the best I think it's ever done it. We saw

669
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: him against him, Everyone's watched his impact on the game.

670
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 3: He's an easy Hall of Famer to me. The one

671
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: day and I used to hate was Vinetary. Oh then

672
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: you bring that name up, It's yeah, because he just

673
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: lasted forever. I mean that that's the only reason he's

674
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: in there, is he lasted forever or is even in

675
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: the mix. But my my problem is I think the

676
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: system is flawed because you can only take a max

677
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: of six guys and to put hester in over Luke Keighley,

678
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: That's what I mean, over a guard get Like I

679
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: think he went over Antonio Gates and I'm.

680
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: Like, I can't, doesn't belong.

681
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 4: Just tell me you would have Luke Kley and over him.

682
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: Right, And That's where I'm at on it, Like I

683
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: feel like they should say we'll put one special team

684
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: or in every five years in their own category and

685
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: they can have their own wing or whatever too, because

686
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: they are different. I mean, you'd have a couple of punters.

687
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: If you're the best punter ever, you should probably should

688
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: be in the Hall of Fame. Or if you're a

689
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: top two or three. I know, Ray Guy's in, that's

690
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: before he's the only one, the only one I think,

691
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 3: I mean, is there is there another one that is

692
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: the best since two thousand that's clearly been I would

693
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: even know, But I mean, I don't think there is one,

694
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, But if there was not.

695
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: Like a Justin Tucker type name stands out for punters.

696
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: And it is a little harder because they don't see

697
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: game winners or he's a kick the sixty yard or

698
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: in the snow, you know. I mean, but people in

699
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: the know, no, you know, Like so I do think

700
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: there's a place for them in the Hall of Fame.

701
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: But I can't leave out the every down play I

702
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: think to do it. I think that's very often at all,

703
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: you know what I mean to me.

704
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: It's like the whole player X should have been a

705
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: pro bowler. Okay, well who you take it out right?

706
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: I taken player?

707
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 4: Why? Right?

708
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: And so it's not even necessarily that you're saying you

709
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: don't think player why is good or deserving, but player

710
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: X was more deserving, right if you frame it in

711
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: that sense with a specialists, not like, don't tell me

712
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: Devin Hester he was just a kick returner.

713
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 4: Why is he in?

714
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: No, I totally disagree with that, but yeah, that's not

715
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: the logic if you're if the logic is Luke Keigley

716
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: was a much more impactful and meaningful player.

717
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely that that is. I'm fine with the framing of

718
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: it that way.

719
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: Like another name I will never condone is Steve Tasker.

720
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: And he's been up and he's been up, and he's

721
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: supposedly one of the best special teamers ever. That being said,

722
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: and with respect to the Killer Brews of the world,

723
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: if you have like a dozen special teams tackles, you

724
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: lead the league. Yeah, And I'm gonna you know, like

725
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: if you brought Marv Levy in, who's the coach of

726
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: those Bills team, and be like, well, you can go

727
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: this play this wild card game without Tasker. And I'm

728
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: not gonna say Kelly Thomas or Reed or Bruce Smith

729
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: or Shane Conley. He's gonna be like.

730
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe even Frank Wright, right.

731
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: Like, I'll live without Tasker you know what.

732
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 4: I mean, Yes, but it's a good way to frame it.

733
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: But Hester and Tucker are different to me. I mean,

734
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: a gunner that makes twelve tackles a year, I don't

735
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: know that there should be a bust next to Roger Staubach,

736
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

737
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: A big one for me is can you tell the

738
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: history of the league without this guy? Because that's what

739
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: Hall of Fames are, They're museums of the sport. Eli

740
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: Manning's gonna get in for a lot of different reasons,

741
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: well because his last name, because the market that he

742
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: played in, but I think at the end of the day,

743
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: it's really because you can't tell the story of the

744
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: NFL without bringing up Eli Manning and those two Super

745
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: Bowl wins over Tom Brady, particularly the one where the

746
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: Patriots were seventeen and oh and the Giants upset them.

747
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: And it's massive. I mean, you have to have that

748
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: Heisman moment exactly right, and he has two of them,

749
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: which is huge. Like I think I would fight against him,

750
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: but I don't.

751
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: And I kind of would. He's the one maybe kind

752
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: of exception to the rule, like he Eli used.

753
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: To your top ten receivers rarely if you did a

754
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: top quarterback list he would ever be on correct never

755
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: I mean probably maybe never.

756
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: But he has a lot going for him in terms

757
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: of his family name and the market that he played in.

758
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: The one the one thing that I will give to

759
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: him is that you can't tell the story of the

760
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: NFL without his name coming up in the big moments

761
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: and and and that's a big part of this. I

762
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: don't know if Gary Anderson's quite to that point, but

763
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: I think I think he's about as close as a

764
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 2: kicker can get.

765
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, I was worn seventy three. He

766
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: came in the league in like eighty, like right around

767
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 3: like when Tounche and Wolf you know, joined the team,

768
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: And up until he retired, he was him and Morton Anderson,

769
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: who is in the Hall of Fame, were the best kickers.

770
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: I mean, it was kind of an Ed Reed Paula

771
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: Malus situation, and Andrews Morton was a little better, but

772
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: he also kicked in a dome and not Pittsburgh or Baltimore.

773
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 3: But I don't look at Gary Gary Anderson to me

774
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: as the weakest case of that group of the Steelers.

775
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: And frankly, the cut to the chase, I don't think

776
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: any will go.

777
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: I don't think they will either ever, you know, I

778
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: think of all three of those, I say this all

779
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 2: the time when hines Ward's name comes up, I think

780
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: he's the most polarizing.

781
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 3: He's a tough one.

782
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 4: He's a tough one.

783
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: Numbers don't help.

784
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: The numbers don't help.

785
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: He's a real eye test guy, you know, as opposed

786
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: to just looking at him on a stat sheet. And

787
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: that gets harder and harder for the wide receiver position,

788
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: where it has changed.

789
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 4: So much in the twenty there's such a log jam

790
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 4: right in.

791
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: The twenty first century, and there's so many good ones,

792
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of, like you said, guys that

793
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: you look at right now that are going in the

794
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.

795
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: I mean, your list was crazy. There are great players.

796
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: And some who just retired in the last couple of

797
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: years as well too, who are going to be in there?

798
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: And your point about the position changing so much, Like,

799
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: with all respect to Swan and Stalwarth, like, who are

800
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: the great receivers in the seventies, There aren't many at all.

801
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: Like Frankly, I don't think Drew Pearson's that good. He's

802
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: in he had to wait forever to get Veterans Committee guy,

803
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 3: but he finally got in. It's like Swan Stalworth Clifford Branch,

804
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: you know, and there's like three good receivers in a

805
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: a whole decade, and then the eighties gets a little better.

806
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: Motes used to yell at me about this all the time.

807
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: But my kind of blanket statement is, and maybe we

808
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: could call the Eli Manning rule the exception rule, but

809
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: like if you have to ask, the answer is no.

810
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: That's my initial feel on When.

811
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: Troy Paulamalu comes up on the ballot, no one's asking

812
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 2: if this guy deserves to be in. When Ben Roethlisberger

813
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: and Tom Brady go up on the ballot, no one's

814
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: asking if those guys deserve to be in.

815
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: I used to one thousand believe that that's that theory,

816
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: and I still that's still my backbone. In the Hall

817
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: of Fame is it's short answers, yes or no, whatever

818
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: comes off to tip of your tongue immediately. But over

819
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: the last like five years, there's been two or three

820
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: guys almost in every class. I'm like, that's a discussion,

821
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 3: but they're not a yes.

822
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 4: I agree with that too.

823
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: Yes, he's a great player. Oh, they're all great players.

824
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: I mean I remember when, like when Kevin Mawai went

825
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 3: in and I'm like, I actually put some on Twitter.

826
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, congrats all the Hall of Famers, but one

827
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: of them didn't belong and he saw it and work

828
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: back or something, and I'm like, what jackass I am?

829
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: But anyway, but like I think Pounce he's better than him.

830
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean you should go.

831
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: Have I ever told you my story about the Hall

832
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: of Fame and Brian Dawkins and him coming after me

833
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: on Super Bowl Sunday twenty twenty.

834
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: Like he's in and I'm I think he's kind of

835
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: like a Heinz word level Eagle legend. I'm not sure

836
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: he's one of the best safety he's ever lived.

837
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: Don't let him hear you say, I would say, because

838
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: he will attack you on Twitter on Super Bowl Sunday

839
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: and send all of Eagles Nation descending into your mentions.

840
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: I'll have to tell you. I'll have to tell you.

841
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: We don't have time for me to tell that story

842
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: right now. But it's when I was working in Philly,

843
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: I'm on the Eagles flagship. I get into an argument

844
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: with one of the hosts about who's better Troy, Paula Malover,

845
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: Brian Dawkins and I. And my closing argument was one

846
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: of these guys was the first bound Hall of Famer

847
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: and the other wasn't. Yeah, yeah, And Brian Dawkins was listening,

848
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: and Brian Dawkins was not pleased. And let's just say

849
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: he tweeted at me like five times on Super Bowl Sunday.

850
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: I don't think i'd want him mad at me or yeah,

851
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: all the eagle rabid fans.

852
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of those days where I just

853
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: had to put the phone down and just just ignore

854
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: it for about four forty eight hours of those No.

855
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: We have a ton of time. But my my awesome

856
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame story is when I was Director of

857
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 3: Football opposite Achron. The Hall of Fame is close enough

858
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 3: that you can do official visits there, so I set

859
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: that up that we would do. It would only be

860
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: us in the Hall of Fame, maybe the recruits, their

861
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: family and the Acron coaching staff. That's pretty cool, and

862
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: we'd get like barbecue eating or whatever. It would bring

863
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: stuff in, Yeah, and then we just like walk the

864
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: halls like night of the Museum, you know, Like so

865
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: I got to know the Hall of Fame like really well,

866
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 3: and like it felt like the ghosts are talking to you,

867
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: you know, like Robbie william should be there. Yeah.

868
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: When I was when I was like middle school age,

869
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: my dad and I over a couple of summers we

870
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: did all the Hall of Fames. So we went to

871
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: we did like Canton and Toronto one year, and then

872
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: we did uh Springfield for basketball and Cooper's Town for baseball.

873
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: You know, like the like the.

874
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: Next summer, I need to get back to Canton because

875
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: it was it was pretty cool. Yeah, I was like

876
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: thirteen to fourteen, so it's been twenty years since I've

877
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: been there. Of the three non kickers for the Steelers,

878
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: Matt Deebo have the best chance to get in because

879
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: again that whole he is part of the history of

880
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 2: the league. He's got one of the most famous Super

881
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: Bowl plays, maybe the most famous defensive Super Bowl play

882
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 2: of all time. Defensive Player of the Year, Defensive Player

883
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: of the Year. I think both of those for him

884
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 2: carry a lot of weight.

885
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: So for many reasons, I wish Dale was sitting here,

886
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: But I don't remember exactly how he phrased it. I

887
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: think he wrote an article for Steelers dot Com four

888
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: years ago about for in Harrison's favor, And it's a

889
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: really good argument because basically the crux of it is

890
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: like you said, but it's also there aren't many defenders

891
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 3: in history that had a better four or five six

892
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: year stretch. It's kind of like the Terrell Davis argument

893
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: that it is a flash right, great one, but he's

894
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: was as good of defensive players there was in the

895
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: league for a pretty decent stretch four or five years.

896
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 4: And that's enough of a stretch, which is enough.

897
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: Of stretch that there's enough Hall of Famers other positions

898
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: you could be like, well, he's in, you know. I

899
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: mean of those guys are like Gail Sayers because they

900
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: have crazy touchdown numbers. But I would say Harrison has

901
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: the best chance. But what kills him too is he

902
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: gets such a late start. Yeah, I mean, but I

903
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: also think late bloomer.

904
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 4: I also think too.

905
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: Again, part of that is the whole museum of football,

906
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: history of football, Like, this guy was undrafted, he was

907
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: cut a bunch of.

908
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 3: Times, yeah yeah, and then he becomes.

909
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year, has one of the most

910
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: famous plays in Super Bowl history, and he was such

911
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: a personality, a very recognalth with the double glocks, you know,

912
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 2: and his shirt off, like he was a big personality

913
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 2: for a long time around the league.

914
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 3: I know I dismissed Pouncy, but it'd be between those

915
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: two for my choice of who is the best chance,

916
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 3: because if we look at generations other than Kelsey, who

917
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 3: would you say is a better center in the last

918
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: twenty to twenty five years.

919
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 4: I think the only real thing against Pouncy is the

920
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: longevity argument.

921
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: It's not great, right, but that's.

922
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: It, right, I mean, he was for seven eight years

923
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: the best at his craft.

924
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 3: Like I immediately dismiss him because he's not Webby, he's

925
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 3: not dirt, But those guys are the best two centers

926
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: ever lived.

927
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Well, that's like I immediately dismissed Donnie Shell because

928
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: he's not Mel Blunn or Rod Woodson.

929
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah right, right, it's not fair, r exactly.

930
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 4: It wouldn't shock me.

931
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: But off his time, he's right there behind Kelsey.

932
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: Wouldn't shock me if Debou he might have to do

933
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: a Drew Pearson thing and wait really long, But it

934
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 2: wouldn't shock me if Deebo got in it, just because

935
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 2: again I.

936
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 4: Think he is part of the Museum of the NFL.

937
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell the story of the league without

938
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 2: getting to those you know, late late early two thousands

939
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: years and in no way you'd be able to talk

940
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: about that time period without his name coming up a

941
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 2: bunch of times.

942
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: I know we're up against it and you know, but

943
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: to wrap it up, I think I think Ben is

944
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: your next Steeler Hall of Famer without a doubt. Yeah, well,

945
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be one of these guys.

946
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: I think, well, no, and Ben now at this point,

947
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: what only.

948
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 3: Has two more years knocking on the door.

949
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be. Uh.

950
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: I think his class is loaded. I think it's like

951
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 3: Gronk and I mean.

952
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 4: It's gonna be. It's gonna be one of the best ever.

953
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 4: It really is.

954
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's uh, that's the kind of Steelers news

955
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: of the day. As as those four guys, not first

956
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: time for those four, but of advanced.

957
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: No, they keep I bet they go to some of

958
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 3: them will go to the next low. Gary Anderson will

959
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: think will be one of twenty five.

960
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: So and Casey Hampton had been at this stage for

961
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, but did not make it

962
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 2: to this stage, which numbers.

963
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 4: Really, That's what I mean.

964
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: That's why if you didn't watch him every single week,

965
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna look at his numbers on the stat sheet

966
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: and go, hey, you know.

967
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: He's got to think will but he has more rings.

968
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I think will Ford gets in, but probably between

969
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: him and then Aaron Donald that might be.

970
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 3: I mean, just a pure noses done have any sacks?

971
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 4: Yes, it's tough close down the first hour.

972
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: On the other side, it's the Drive on Steelers Nation

973
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

974
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: Your tuned to.

975
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

976
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

977
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: Final segment of the first hour. Here, we went a

978
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: little long in those first two segments.

979
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 3: You said it was gonna be a beef show.

980
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a beefy show. We haven't even gotten

981
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: to our round campus segment. Ye haven't talked to Chris

982
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: Hallick yet. Plenty going on here, and we just got

983
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: to close down the first hour for a quick minute

984
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: with kind of some Steelers news of the day. Matt,

985
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: This one will make a lot of people happy today, Wednesday,

986
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: October twenty seventh, twenty second. Pardon me, let's try that again. Today, Wednesday,

987
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: October twenty second quarterback Will Howard returned to practice.

988
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 4: Now he remains on the reserve in list.

989
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: Right that now that just opened his window.

990
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: Opens, that twenty one day window where he will have

991
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: to either activate him or remain on IR for the

992
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: rest of the season. With that, the Steelers have terminated.

993
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: We always laugh at that during training camp time terminated

994
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: Logan Woodside's contract position with the team. Which that move

995
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: makes me think that this it's a foregone conclusion. You know,

996
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: Howard's fine, whether they activate him officially this week, next week,

997
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: whatever it will be during that twenty one day window.

998
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: I want to ask Chris about it a little bit too,

999
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: because what you could do is just get twenty one

1000
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: days of practice out of the guy, leave him on IR.

1001
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 4: Interesting about that.

1002
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: You got three guys, right, you like Skyler, somebody had

1003
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: to go in order to activate him. It's Woodside. Heck,

1004
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: you could probably pick him up in three weeks. You know.

1005
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 3: If you don't, you can get someone like him, or

1006
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 3: you don't even need a fourth guy necessarily. Yes, So

1007
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: I wonder is this just let's get him some practice

1008
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: and leave him on IR so nobody can touch him

1009
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: and we don't bother with him because he's not gonna

1010
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: play no matter what. And we just get twenty one

1011
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: days of practice out of the guy and then revisited

1012
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 3: in mini camp next year. That could be it. Or hey,

1013
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: he's good, you know, let's let's and I'm not saying

1014
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: he's bad the first time around, you know, And be careful.

1015
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 4: Everyone's gonna come attack you in the comments again.

1016
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: It's so rough one.

1017
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 4: You're gonna Brian Dawkins yourself here.

1018
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 3: Howard's the one that's you can't say anything bad about

1019
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: the guy.

1020
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: That's an interesting angle that I didn't think of. Let's

1021
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: get him three weeks of practice. Maybe we will just

1022
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: keep him on the IR but at least he'll have

1023
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: three weeks to practice.

1024
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: Then he's out. Nobody can steal him.

1025
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: Frolmost all your home in the next two weeks, so

1026
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: you're not going on the road, and I mean, you know,

1027
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: you're really going to be at home and home base

1028
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: and all those things.

1029
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 3: So it's going to give me a hard time because

1030
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 3: I think he's a lifetime backup and I've been calling

1031
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: him next year's first round picks.

1032
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: Caddy if he is Charlie Batch for your.

1033
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 3: Frank, right, I mean like that's I mean, I won't

1034
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: talked about he's a future coach. That's exactly what I

1035
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: want other guy. But anyway, I I also think, though,

1036
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: I don't want him on the practice squad because he

1037
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: could get swiped if I just leave on ir I

1038
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: know he's mine. You know what I mean?

1039
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 4: Like as well too?

1040
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: You can't keep all four of those guys on the

1041
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 3: active roster. One of them likely. I mean, I'm Skuyler

1042
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: or Howard. Somebody is going to be appealing to. We

1043
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: just went over the team's need quarterbacks.

1044
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 4: What if those teams get another injury?

1045
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, say right, why not just grab I mean my

1046
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 3: last year, but the last couple of weeks with the Browns,

1047
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 3: we just rated practice squads. You know, why not.

1048
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: These guys and maybe they're better what we got? Yeah?

1049
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 3: Right, anything's better what we got.

1050
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 4: You know, the Jets might be in that department, right,

1051
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 4: You say.

1052
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't the Jets or Raiders or somebody grab somebody

1053
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: like that or a fifth round pick off any practice squad.

1054
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 4: It's you.

1055
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to expose them, I guess is why

1056
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: I would say, maybe just practice him for three weeks

1057
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: shut him down. Now we didn't activate him. I don't know.

1058
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: Either sooner or later we're going to get an answer

1059
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: to this. If he gets activated in the next week

1060
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: or so, there's your answer. If if he ends up

1061
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 2: going back to IR, then we'll obviously know the story

1062
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 2: at that time. But yeah, that's a very interesting angle

1063
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: by you. Good point and something that again we will monitor,

1064
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 2: we will follow. We will certainly discuss more here on

1065
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: the Drive as we roll along through October and into November.

1066
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: But that's it for our number one. Our number two

1067
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: will go around campus. We'll talk to Chris Hallick. We'll

1068
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: also talk about if you could steal somebody from the

1069
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers.

1070
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 4: Who would it be.

1071
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 2: All of that in and more Weshooler, Matt Williamson. It's

1072
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network,