WEBVTT - The Girlfriends S4/E6: What Would You Have Done? 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.840 Hey, it's Nikky. We're about to hear some deeply heartwarming 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.960 moments of sisterhood, hope, and what can happen when people 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.040 come together to fight for the city they love. But 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.800 as with the rest of this series, there'll be stories 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:21.759 about violence, murder, and sexual assault. So if you or 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.560 someone you love has been affected by any of the 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.200 themes in the show, we've left some links in the 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:31.720 description that offer resources and support, take care of yourself. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.640 Trina Cooper's childhood wasn't perfect, but the woman who raised 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:41.880 her did her best to fill her life with love. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.720 I was a spoiled little girl, got everything I wanted 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.400 with her. I didn't realize that she wasn't my mother 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.800 until I was five six years old. Around that time, 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.560 Trina's godmother was her biological uncle's wife and the only 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.480 mother figure she had ever known. But Trina was a 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.120 curious kid who wanted to know more about her birth. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.319 Mom, uncles, and aunties. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.640 Like as I'm growing up, they like, you look just 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.240 like your mama, you act just like your mama. And 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.000 then I started having questions like who is this lady? 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.240 And all they can really tell me is she's you 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:18.600 like you A split image of her. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.080 Nobody told her stories about her mom, but Trina had 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:24.320 an active imagination. 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:32.800 I used to always dream about this lady getting torture 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:37.720 in an alley, like getting kidnapped in an alley. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.119 It was a recurring dream. So at ten years old 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:42.720 she opened up to someone about it. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:44.880 I had came to my brother one day and I 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.840 was like, I keep having this dream about this lady 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:52.480 being attacked in an alley and he was like, that 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:58.720 was probably mama, And I'm like mama, and he was like, yeah, 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.160 our mama got killed when you was a baby. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.080 He just left it at. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.680 That, and you know, a little girl, I just went 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:16.160 on about my life, didn't really ask too many questions. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.400 As she got older and Hickey milestones without her mother, 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:23.639 Trina's curiosity grew. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:29.320 So sixteen seventeen, when I started having kids, I started 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.600 having questions around that time, like what happened to her 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.920 and where was she at? She reached out to her uncle, Oscar. 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.880 Him and my mom was like best friends. They were 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:41.519 really close. 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.360 If anybody could tell her more about her mother, it 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:48.080 was Oscar, and after some convincing, he finally agreed to 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:55.160 share the full story. As he knew it In nineteen 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.720 eighty three. Dorothy Cooper, or as her loved ones liked 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.840 to call her, died, was a twenty year old living 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.920 in Kansas City. 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.760 She was a kring given person. She took care of 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:09.639 a lot of people in the family. 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:15.680 Including her young son and baby girl, Trina. Dorothy had 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.040 her issues, but she was a present mother, so when 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.960 she didn't come home one night in April, the Cooper 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:27.160 family began to worry. Her father went down to the 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.760 police station to file a missing person's report for his daughter, 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.160 but the police didn't take it seriously and didn't allow 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:38.760 him to file the report. Hours turned to days, until 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:44.400 it had been three weeks since Dorothy's disappearance. Our focus 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.000 one day, the Coopers were sitting at home watching TV. 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.800 The news clipping had came across the TV one morning 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.440 and they said that they had found a young black 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.440 woman on six point thirty five in Turkey Creek, and 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.680 my uncle and them said, instantly, you know, you had 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.760 that gut feeling like that's her. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.920 Their gut feeling was correct. 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:12.440 In April nineteen eighty three, Dorothy's body was found in 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:17.800 the driveway of an abandoned nursing home. Trina's family went 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.919 to a funeral home to identify her. It was a 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:25.280 traumatic experience. Someone had brought her up on an elevator. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.680 Her face was disfigured from her injuries. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.480 To where they couldn't really identify her just from the face. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:37.320 Trina's uncle, Oscar, stared down. The body was unrecognizable. How 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:44.839 could he possibly identify it as his sister? He paused 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.800 for a moment as his memories took him back to 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.599 the childhood they spent together in Kansas City. One moment 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:54.640 stood out, an innocent summertime memory from when they were 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:58.799 young kids. They were riding a bike and my uncle 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:00.920 did something to my mom and she kicked them off 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:06.839 the bike. They were just playing around, bickering like siblings. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.719 He had ended up having a bruise on his arm, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.279 and he ended up doing her like that, and she 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.760 had the same bruise on her arm. So they grew 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.080 up with the same bruise on their arm because they 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.760 both was ornery and couldn't get over, like this person 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:24.440 did this to me, and things like that. It had 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.520 been a funny story when they were kids, but faced 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.560 with the dead body, it took on a darker purpose. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.680 My uncle said that he remembered the scar that they 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.400 had had alike. In a rage, he went over and 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.280 he pulled her arm from up under to see if 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.320 it was heard by the bruise that they had alike. 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.280 The childhood scar was there. This was his younger sister. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:54.400 Oscar was devastated, but he also noticed something. 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:59.240 Else, and that's when he discovered that her left wrist 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.279 was cut off. And my uncle's now was telling me 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.960 like it seemed as though like they just did it, 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.520 like her bones and stuff was fresh, like they had 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:09.640 just cut her wrist off. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:15.000 This detail stuck in Trina's mind. Why would someone cut 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.560 her mother's wrist off if not to hide something? 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:22.800 Oh God, who got. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:24.680 I? 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.680 God? 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.000 I'm Nikki Richardson And from the teams that novel and 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:36.680 iHeart Podcast, this is the Girlfriend's Untouchable. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:07:05.600 Episode six, What would you have done? 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.640 Trina Cooper didn't have the opportunity to get to know 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.120 her mother, Dorothy, but according to her friends and family, 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.880 they would have gotten along pretty well. She was a caring, 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.280 given person. She was just that sister. Couldn't nobody tell nothing? 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.040 And me speaking about it is talking, I'm talking about 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.480 me like this is me now, like I'm very outspoken, 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.280 no one can really tell me too much. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:34.560 Trina's also very determined, So despite her family's reluctance to 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.600 tell her more about her mother and her murder, Trina 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:38.440 kept on digging. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:40.600 Probably like twenty three. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:45.080 I had reconnected with my godmoa, the woman who had 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:49.280 raised her, And then she's like, have anyone told you 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:50.160 about your mom? 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.480 Like this is things that you need to know? And 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.960 I was like no, So Trina went to her godmother's 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:57.320 house to find out more. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.240 She just pulled out her little box of pictures and 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.120 she showed me old pictures of her and my mom 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.840 and me as a baby, and we said and we talked, 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.440 and she told me that my mom was a street walker. 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.720 And she said that, you know, back then when everything 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.520 happened far as her death, they always thought that like 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.840 a police officer was involved because of how it's so 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:25.680 covered up. It's like no one else can cover it 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.480 up as much as it's covered up, but a police officer. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.920 Trina went back to her family and prodded them for answers. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.920 I started having questions like what happened? Like did y'all 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:42.840 ask questions? The short answer was no, they hadn't. In fact, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.320 the more Trina heard about the investigation, the more disappointed 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.920 she felt. They gave my uncle my mom's jean jacket 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.520 from the crom scene, and my uncle actually took it, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.920 and I'm like, why did you take the jacket? It 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.240 was supposed to be in evidence. And my uncle was 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.240 just like, well, you know, we didn't know anything. We 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.720 just wanted something that belonged to her because we had 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.920 already lost her. So it was just like he just 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.679 felt as though that was something to keep him connected 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.200 to her, and they were just like, no, no, that 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:14.760 was supposed to stay in evidence. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.560 Trina thought that learning more about her mother Dorothy's death 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.960 would help her move on, but hearing how lackluss the 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.560 investigation had been left her feeling even further from the truth. 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.400 I was getting irritated and I was just like, I 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.080 just don't understand. I left it alone again. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:31.920 I'm like, I don't want to hear no more because then, 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.400 you know, me being a teenager, it's like it's hurting 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.320 to hear this about your mom and you know already 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.000 having the hurt in you that you grew. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.000 Up without this lady. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.200 So it was just a lot at that time, so 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.440 I just stopped asking questions because it was too much 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:47.319 to really take in. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.680 But Trina wasn't the only person in her family with 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.160 a connection to Dorothy Cooper. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.800 My kids started asking questions like who's her grandma and 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.120 what happened to her? And I was like, you know, 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.560 I really don't have the answers, and I'm a person 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.679 to wear. Okay, now my kids is asking about it. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.120 I have to get answers. I have to be able 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.600 to come to my kids and tell my kids something 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:15.520 about my mom. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.480 So two thousand and seven, I took it to. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.040 Where I'm like, I'm gonna go to the Wandatt Police 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.640 Station and I'm gonna try to reopen up my mom's 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:28.160 case to try to figure out what happened. So I 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.440 pulled my uncle with me, like you're going with me. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.000 We're about to reopen up mama's case and we're about 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:34.160 to get some answers. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:39.560 She headed over to the CASEKPD station. I went over there. 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.720 I spoke to the clerk at the front desk and 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.079 I said, you know, my mom got killed over here 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.320 in nineteen eighty three, and I want to reopen her 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.040 case because it's still an unsolved case and she looked 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.640 it up. She was like, the only detective you can 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:59.760 talk to about this case, it's Roger Glupski and me. 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.239 I'm not knowing anything about it. Roger Glupski. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.040 She didn't know anything about the detective whose office she 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.680 was being led up to, but she had her uncle 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.200 by her side with no reason to be worried. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.439 Once we went up in the office with Roger Gilupski, 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.280 Roger Glupski then goes to ask me, why do I 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:19.839 want to open back up this case. 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.120 I said, that's my mom. I want to know what 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:25.000 happened to her. 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.000 You know, we never got an answer, so it's like, 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:29.880 I just want to know what happened to my mom. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:35.040 He said, okay, we're going to look into it. In 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.800 my mind, he's going to do some investigations. He's going 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.520 to call me back and he's going to tell me 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:48.360 what he come up with. Time passed as tRNA waited 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.880 to hear the results of his investigation. Roger Glupski then 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.480 goes to call me back for a second meeting, but. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:56.960 He didn't have any news for her. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.160 He then goes to tell me, like, no one's talkalk 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.520 in he asked me, what did I want to do. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.760 Trina thought it through until a potential clue came back 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.600 to her the horrifying detail her uncle Oscar had told 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.760 her about seeing her mother's wrist cut off. So she 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.599 went back to Gulupski with another question, who's. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:21.760 The medical examiner that actually examined her body? He told 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.760 me it was a medical examiner by the name of Handcock, 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.599 and so I was like, can I get his information 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.440 because I have questions for him. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.160 She got his details and gave him a call. 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:36.200 I asked him to send me the autopsy report, and 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.719 I asked him what procedures did he take far as 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.800 doing a full autopsy on my mom? I asked him, 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.920 I said, what was the reason of you cutting off 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:48.320 my mom's wrists? 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.880 And he said to identify her and I'm like, huh. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.040 He was like, so when they brought her body in, 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:59.320 her hand was so swollen to where he had to 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:03.320 cut her wrists off to release some pressure in her 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.280 hand to get her fingerprint. 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.040 Trina didn't think the story added up. According to the 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.839 autopsy report, the medical examiner had included a note saying 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.440 that there had been adhesions on Dorothy's wrists, the kind 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.800 that made Trina wonder if her mother's hands had been 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.439 tied together before her death, but her wrist had been 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.640 cut off, meaning that that specific evidence, if it had existed, 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.000 couldn't be used in her murder investigation. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.560 I said, she had another hand, Why didn't you use 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.960 her other hand to get her fingerprints? Like it's other 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.959 ways to identify her other than cutting her wrist off. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.080 Once I started, you know, talking like that, he was 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.439 really dismissive. He really didn't want it too much talk 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.160 to me anymore. So then I called another meat and 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:53.280 with Roger Glubski, and I asked Galubski, like, what procedures 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:57.880 did y'all take? How long do you guys keep evidence? 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.360 And he said, oh, we keep evidence until the case 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.520 is solved. And I said, okay, so my mom's case 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.240 is still unsolved, so where's her evidence? 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.800 At Gallupski's reply was, you know, I went. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.320 And looked into evidence closet and her evidence is not 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:20.280 in there. Trina knew there was more to the story, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.520 but nobody was telling her anything, so she thought back 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:30.160 to her childhood nightmares. I told him, I said, you know, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.840 as a little girl, I've always had a dream that 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:39.240 a police officer killed my mom. And when I tell you, 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.640 he got so mad that I said that. He got 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.960 so red and he asks, like, what makes you say that? 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.320 I just sat back and I said, who else can 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:53.440 get back in you guys's evidence closet? Nobody but a 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:58.960 police officer. At that Gallupski shut down and asked her 0:14:59.000 --> 0:14:59.440 to leave. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.760 After that time, I never seen them no more. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:08.120 I got really discouraged, like, Okay, I'm asking the right questions, 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:12.440 but no one is really gonna be honest. I know 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.240 I'm on the right track, but I'm not gonna get 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.760 anywhere because it's just me. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.960 But Trina wasn't the only one who had suspicions about Gallupski. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.720 There were families across Kansas City slowly beginning to ask 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:35.400 themselves the same questions, parents, children, and sisters, re examining 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.960 the stories the women in their life had told them 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.920 and realizing that Gallupski had cast a dark shadow around 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:47.440 the circumstances of their deaths. They were ordinary people doing 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.000 what they could to try and piece things together, but 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:55.560 a powerful agency was working behind the scenes, one that 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.520 had spent years circling Gallupski and was about to center 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.280 in the FBI. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.560 I had you and had you. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:27.480 In the nineteen eighties, Alan Jenerch was an FBI agent 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.720 working in the Public Corruption Unit, investigating departments across the. 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:36.600 Country, basically trying to find public officials, police officers, or 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:41.760 others who walk corrupt, and somewhere around nineteen eighty eight 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:46.280 or eighty nine started investigating the Kansas City Police Department. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.560 Alan had heard about possible misconduct in the force and 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.440 wanted to get to the bottom of it. He began 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.200 by talking not to officers, but to those they had arrested. 0:16:58.000 --> 0:16:59.840 I would go over and interview them in the jail 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.440 and tell them we're not interested in them, We're not 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.800 interested in their family, we're not interested in their friends. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.680 We're just interested if you have any information about corrupt cops. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.040 So a lot of these people interviewing in the jail 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.280 were very cooperative and they were eager to tell what 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.480 they knew. I think at the high point where it's 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:27.520 fifteen cops who were titled subjects of the investigation, that's 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:35.760 a lot and one of those people was Kallupski. Talking 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:39.920 to people, you developed information that Kaulupski had a thing 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.399 for black women, he would extort them into having sex 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.320 with him. I think a lot of people knew what 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:47.440 Kalyupski was doing. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.600 But if a lot of people knew about it, how 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:57.119 did Kulupski get away with it for so long. The 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.959 police is an organization that is supposed to protect them, 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.199 But Allan's years spent digging into police departments like the 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:08.240 CASEYKPD made it clear to him that that wasn't always 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.359 the case, and a lot of that was down to 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.600 the Blue Code of Silence, an unspoken rule in which 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:21.080 police officers decided not to report their corrupt and criminal colleagues. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.679 I remember once this cop was on duty in the 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:30.040 police car and he had some woman and he raped 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:35.320 her in the police car. She went to the police 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:39.280 department and complained that this cop had raped her. Well, 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.720 the police didn't want to do anything about it. I 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.280 remember one of the internal affairs cops said to me, 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.080 you know, the purpose of the internal affairs unit is 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.119 to protect the upper ranks, to protect the people running 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:58.480 the police department. I think CASEYK had over two hundred cops, 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.200 and the whole time I was in Kansas City, I'm 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.040 not aware of one case brought by the Kansas City, 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.800 Kansas Police internal affairs unit against any cop. 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.440 It went further than just protecting their officers. 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:21.080 They wanted all internal affairs reports destroyed after three years. 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.840 You can't go back three years before to see what 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.200 complaints were made against him because it's all destroyed. 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.800 Alan doesn't know why those documents were destroyed, but he 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:35.159 has his own theories. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:39.720 There's only one reason why you do that, to protect 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:40.760 corrupt cops. 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.760 It's not a theory we can be certain of, but 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.800 it's one Alan believes based on his experience of investigating 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.840 the police in his role at the FBI. He and 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.320 the other FBI agents on the case, code named Operation 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.920 Street Smart, had the support of Julie Robinson, a black 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.840 assistant US attorney who was determined to get to the 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.560 bottom of the alleged corruption in the KCKPD. 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.400 She gave me a grand jury subpoena every month where 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:15.920 we subpoenaed all the Kansas City, Kansas internal affairs complaints 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:17.600 that were made against the cops. 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.680 Subpoenas that helped them compile a folder of evidence about 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:22.720 Roger Glupski. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.119 I didn't care who liked me and who didn't like me, 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.840 and Julie Robinson the prosecutor, she could give her rat's 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.080 ass whether they liked her, and I had the same attitude. 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.320 You can't be friends with people and investigate him. 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:44.040 At the same time, Julie and Allan dug Deeper conducted 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.720 interviews with prisoners who told him stories about Galupski, built 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.719 up a picture of how he operated, and investigated how 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:54.840 the KCKPD had enabled him to carry on for so long. 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.359 Alan could feel himself beginning to close in on Glupski. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:04.960 But then in nineteen ninety four, Julie Robinson left the 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.720 US Attorney's job. She moved on to become the US 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.640 bankruptcy judge for the District of Kansas. 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.080 Once she left to become a judge, that was the 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:14.520 end of it. 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.879 Alan felt that Julie's replacement wasn't quite as willing to 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:20.440 help him and his team. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.960 Were closed down the investigation because we didn't have anybody 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.480 in the US Attorney's office who wanted to do it. It 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:26.920 was worth it. 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:35.080 Dam Alan often wonders what would have happened if Julie 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:37.920 had never left, or if the rest of the US 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.280 Attorney's office had been as passionate as she'd been about 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:42.560 fighting police corruption. 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.440 You know, we would have got him in the early nineties, 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.800 maybe ninety three, ninety four, ninety five, we would have 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.159 gotten him. And there's a lot of crimes that he 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.600 committed after that that he never would have committed. And 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:56.720 you know a lot of people whose lives he ruined, 0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:00.199 or his lives he tried to ruin. You know that 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:04.520 we could have prevented by taking him out, removing him 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:05.320 from his position. 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.840 It's hard to reckon with the realization that something could 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:17.280 have been done back then, but wasn't. All the complaints 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:20.439 in reports that led to nothing as Glupski rose up 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.600 the ranks of the KCKPD and used the power of 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:28.640 his position and police badge to abuse women and destroy lives. 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.840 Roger Glupski spent thirty five years working for the KCKPD 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:39.720 before retiring in twenty ten after decades of abuse that 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.639 it seems like at least some of his colleagues and 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:47.080 superiors knew about. He settled into a comfortable retirement on 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:51.840 a full police pension, but something was coming to disturb 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:52.359 his peace. 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:56.600 Could you state your. 0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:00.720 Full name for the writer thesar Roger Kolupski, Do you 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:01.360 swear to. 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:03.720 Tell the truth of whole truth and nothing but the 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:04.960 truth to help you God. 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:06.159 I do. 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:15.960 I got you, I got you, I got you. 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:24.280 It's November twenty twenty and Roger Glupski is sitting in 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:26.680 an office on the twenty second floor of a law 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:31.120 firm in Kansas City. His hair and beard are bright white, 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:35.119 and he's wearing a lightly colored shirt and ki. He's older, 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:38.760 now sixty eight. He doesn't look as powerful as he 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:43.359 used to without his police badge and uniform. Instead, he 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:47.840 sat before a microphone with a camera pointed at him. 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.960 After his exoneration, La Motte McIntyre decided to sue the 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:56.320 Unified Government of Wandot County, ksey k for his wrongful conviction, 0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.840 a lawsuit that has finally led Glupski to be subpoenaed 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:04.000 and questioned about the harms he inflicted on the women 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:09.240 and men of Kansas City, Kansas. Glupski looks despondent as 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.640 the prosecutor, Emma Freudenberger questions him. 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:18.879 You understand that we're accusing you of terrorizing black women 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:25.199 in Kansas City, Kansas for decades, raping women and goercing 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.560 women into giving false testimony. 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:32.719 Things start off pretty normally, but when Glupski fails to 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:38.480 give adequate answers to questions, the prosecutor gets firmer, Sir. 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:42.760 You understand that if I ask you a question and 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:49.320 you remember the answer, but you tell me you don't, 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:50.320 that's a lot. 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.959