1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Nikky. We're about to hear some deeply heartwarming 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: moments of sisterhood, hope, and what can happen when people 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: come together to fight for the city they love. But 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: as with the rest of this series, there'll be stories 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: about violence, murder, and sexual assault. So if you or 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: someone you love has been affected by any of the 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: themes in the show, we've left some links in the 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: description that offer resources and support, take care of yourself. 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Trina Cooper's childhood wasn't perfect, but the woman who raised 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: her did her best to fill her life with love. 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: I was a spoiled little girl, got everything I wanted 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: with her. I didn't realize that she wasn't my mother 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: until I was five six years old. Around that time, 14 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: Trina's godmother was her biological uncle's wife and the only 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: mother figure she had ever known. But Trina was a 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: curious kid who wanted to know more about her birth. 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: Mom, uncles, and aunties. 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: Like as I'm growing up, they like, you look just 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: like your mama, you act just like your mama. And 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: then I started having questions like who is this lady? 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: And all they can really tell me is she's you 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: like you A split image of her. 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: Nobody told her stories about her mom, but Trina had 24 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: an active imagination. 25 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: I used to always dream about this lady getting torture 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: in an alley, like getting kidnapped in an alley. 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: It was a recurring dream. So at ten years old 28 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: she opened up to someone about it. 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: I had came to my brother one day and I 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: was like, I keep having this dream about this lady 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: being attacked in an alley and he was like, that 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: was probably mama, And I'm like mama, and he was like, yeah, 33 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: our mama got killed when you was a baby. 34 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: He just left it at. 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: That, and you know, a little girl, I just went 36 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: on about my life, didn't really ask too many questions. 37 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: As she got older and Hickey milestones without her mother, 38 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: Trina's curiosity grew. 39 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: So sixteen seventeen, when I started having kids, I started 40 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: having questions around that time, like what happened to her 41 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: and where was she at? She reached out to her uncle, Oscar. 42 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: Him and my mom was like best friends. They were 43 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 2: really close. 44 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: If anybody could tell her more about her mother, it 45 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: was Oscar, and after some convincing, he finally agreed to 46 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: share the full story. As he knew it In nineteen 47 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: eighty three. Dorothy Cooper, or as her loved ones liked 48 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: to call her, died, was a twenty year old living 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: in Kansas City. 50 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: She was a kring given person. She took care of 51 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: a lot of people in the family. 52 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: Including her young son and baby girl, Trina. Dorothy had 53 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: her issues, but she was a present mother, so when 54 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: she didn't come home one night in April, the Cooper 55 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: family began to worry. Her father went down to the 56 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: police station to file a missing person's report for his daughter, 57 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: but the police didn't take it seriously and didn't allow 58 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: him to file the report. Hours turned to days, until 59 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: it had been three weeks since Dorothy's disappearance. Our focus 60 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: one day, the Coopers were sitting at home watching TV. 61 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: The news clipping had came across the TV one morning 62 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: and they said that they had found a young black 63 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: woman on six point thirty five in Turkey Creek, and 64 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: my uncle and them said, instantly, you know, you had 65 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: that gut feeling like that's her. 66 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: Their gut feeling was correct. 67 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: In April nineteen eighty three, Dorothy's body was found in 68 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: the driveway of an abandoned nursing home. Trina's family went 69 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: to a funeral home to identify her. It was a 70 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: traumatic experience. Someone had brought her up on an elevator. 71 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: Her face was disfigured from her injuries. 72 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: To where they couldn't really identify her just from the face. 73 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: Trina's uncle, Oscar, stared down. The body was unrecognizable. How 74 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: could he possibly identify it as his sister? He paused 75 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: for a moment as his memories took him back to 76 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: the childhood they spent together in Kansas City. One moment 77 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: stood out, an innocent summertime memory from when they were 78 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 1: young kids. They were riding a bike and my uncle 79 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: did something to my mom and she kicked them off 80 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: the bike. They were just playing around, bickering like siblings. 81 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: He had ended up having a bruise on his arm, 82 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: and he ended up doing her like that, and she 83 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: had the same bruise on her arm. So they grew 84 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: up with the same bruise on their arm because they 85 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: both was ornery and couldn't get over, like this person 86 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: did this to me, and things like that. It had 87 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: been a funny story when they were kids, but faced 88 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: with the dead body, it took on a darker purpose. 89 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: My uncle said that he remembered the scar that they 90 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: had had alike. In a rage, he went over and 91 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 2: he pulled her arm from up under to see if 92 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: it was heard by the bruise that they had alike. 93 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: The childhood scar was there. This was his younger sister. 94 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: Oscar was devastated, but he also noticed something. 95 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: Else, and that's when he discovered that her left wrist 96 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: was cut off. And my uncle's now was telling me 97 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: like it seemed as though like they just did it, 98 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: like her bones and stuff was fresh, like they had 99 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: just cut her wrist off. 100 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: This detail stuck in Trina's mind. Why would someone cut 101 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: her mother's wrist off if not to hide something? 102 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 4: Oh God, who got. 103 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: I? 104 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 5: God? 105 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm Nikki Richardson And from the teams that novel and 106 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: iHeart Podcast, this is the Girlfriend's Untouchable. 107 00:06:54,040 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 5: Episode six, What would you have done? 108 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: Trina Cooper didn't have the opportunity to get to know 109 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: her mother, Dorothy, but according to her friends and family, 110 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: they would have gotten along pretty well. She was a caring, 111 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: given person. She was just that sister. Couldn't nobody tell nothing? 112 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: And me speaking about it is talking, I'm talking about 113 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: me like this is me now, like I'm very outspoken, 114 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: no one can really tell me too much. 115 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: Trina's also very determined, So despite her family's reluctance to 116 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: tell her more about her mother and her murder, Trina 117 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: kept on digging. 118 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 3: Probably like twenty three. 119 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: I had reconnected with my godmoa, the woman who had 120 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: raised her, And then she's like, have anyone told you 121 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: about your mom? 122 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: Like this is things that you need to know? And 123 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: I was like no, So Trina went to her godmother's 124 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: house to find out more. 125 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: She just pulled out her little box of pictures and 126 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: she showed me old pictures of her and my mom 127 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: and me as a baby, and we said and we talked, 128 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: and she told me that my mom was a street walker. 129 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: And she said that, you know, back then when everything 130 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: happened far as her death, they always thought that like 131 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: a police officer was involved because of how it's so 132 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: covered up. It's like no one else can cover it 133 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: up as much as it's covered up, but a police officer. 134 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: Trina went back to her family and prodded them for answers. 135 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: I started having questions like what happened? Like did y'all 136 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: ask questions? The short answer was no, they hadn't. In fact, 137 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: the more Trina heard about the investigation, the more disappointed 138 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: she felt. They gave my uncle my mom's jean jacket 139 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: from the crom scene, and my uncle actually took it, 140 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: and I'm like, why did you take the jacket? It 141 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: was supposed to be in evidence. And my uncle was 142 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: just like, well, you know, we didn't know anything. We 143 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: just wanted something that belonged to her because we had 144 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: already lost her. So it was just like he just 145 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: felt as though that was something to keep him connected 146 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: to her, and they were just like, no, no, that 147 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: was supposed to stay in evidence. 148 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: Trina thought that learning more about her mother Dorothy's death 149 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: would help her move on, but hearing how lackluss the 150 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: investigation had been left her feeling even further from the truth. 151 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: I was getting irritated and I was just like, I 152 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: just don't understand. I left it alone again. 153 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to hear no more because then, 154 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: you know, me being a teenager, it's like it's hurting 155 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: to hear this about your mom and you know already 156 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: having the hurt in you that you grew. 157 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: Up without this lady. 158 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: So it was just a lot at that time, so 159 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: I just stopped asking questions because it was too much 160 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 2: to really take in. 161 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: But Trina wasn't the only person in her family with 162 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: a connection to Dorothy Cooper. 163 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: My kids started asking questions like who's her grandma and 164 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: what happened to her? And I was like, you know, 165 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: I really don't have the answers, and I'm a person 166 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 2: to wear. Okay, now my kids is asking about it. 167 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: I have to get answers. I have to be able 168 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: to come to my kids and tell my kids something 169 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: about my mom. 170 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: So two thousand and seven, I took it to. 171 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: Where I'm like, I'm gonna go to the Wandatt Police 172 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: Station and I'm gonna try to reopen up my mom's 173 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: case to try to figure out what happened. So I 174 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: pulled my uncle with me, like you're going with me. 175 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: We're about to reopen up mama's case and we're about 176 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: to get some answers. 177 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 3: She headed over to the CASEKPD station. I went over there. 178 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: I spoke to the clerk at the front desk and 179 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 2: I said, you know, my mom got killed over here 180 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty three, and I want to reopen her 181 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: case because it's still an unsolved case and she looked 182 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: it up. She was like, the only detective you can 183 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: talk to about this case, it's Roger Glupski and me. 184 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,239 Speaker 3: I'm not knowing anything about it. Roger Glupski. 185 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: She didn't know anything about the detective whose office she 186 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: was being led up to, but she had her uncle 187 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: by her side with no reason to be worried. 188 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: Once we went up in the office with Roger Gilupski, 189 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: Roger Glupski then goes to ask me, why do I 190 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 2: want to open back up this case. 191 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: I said, that's my mom. I want to know what 192 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: happened to her. 193 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: You know, we never got an answer, so it's like, 194 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: I just want to know what happened to my mom. 195 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: He said, okay, we're going to look into it. In 196 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: my mind, he's going to do some investigations. He's going 197 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: to call me back and he's going to tell me 198 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: what he come up with. Time passed as tRNA waited 199 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: to hear the results of his investigation. Roger Glupski then 200 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: goes to call me back for a second meeting, but. 201 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: He didn't have any news for her. 202 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: He then goes to tell me, like, no one's talkalk 203 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: in he asked me, what did I want to do. 204 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Trina thought it through until a potential clue came back 205 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: to her the horrifying detail her uncle Oscar had told 206 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: her about seeing her mother's wrist cut off. So she 207 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 1: went back to Gulupski with another question, who's. 208 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: The medical examiner that actually examined her body? He told 209 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: me it was a medical examiner by the name of Handcock, 210 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 2: and so I was like, can I get his information 211 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: because I have questions for him. 212 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 3: She got his details and gave him a call. 213 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: I asked him to send me the autopsy report, and 214 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 2: I asked him what procedures did he take far as 215 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: doing a full autopsy on my mom? I asked him, 216 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: I said, what was the reason of you cutting off 217 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: my mom's wrists? 218 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: And he said to identify her and I'm like, huh. 219 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: He was like, so when they brought her body in, 220 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: her hand was so swollen to where he had to 221 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: cut her wrists off to release some pressure in her 222 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: hand to get her fingerprint. 223 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: Trina didn't think the story added up. According to the 224 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: autopsy report, the medical examiner had included a note saying 225 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: that there had been adhesions on Dorothy's wrists, the kind 226 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: that made Trina wonder if her mother's hands had been 227 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: tied together before her death, but her wrist had been 228 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: cut off, meaning that that specific evidence, if it had existed, 229 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: couldn't be used in her murder investigation. 230 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: I said, she had another hand, Why didn't you use 231 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: her other hand to get her fingerprints? Like it's other 232 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: ways to identify her other than cutting her wrist off. 233 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: Once I started, you know, talking like that, he was 234 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 2: really dismissive. He really didn't want it too much talk 235 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: to me anymore. So then I called another meat and 236 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: with Roger Glubski, and I asked Galubski, like, what procedures 237 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: did y'all take? How long do you guys keep evidence? 238 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: And he said, oh, we keep evidence until the case 239 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: is solved. And I said, okay, so my mom's case 240 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: is still unsolved, so where's her evidence? 241 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: At Gallupski's reply was, you know, I went. 242 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 2: And looked into evidence closet and her evidence is not 243 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: in there. Trina knew there was more to the story, 244 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: but nobody was telling her anything, so she thought back 245 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: to her childhood nightmares. I told him, I said, you know, 246 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: as a little girl, I've always had a dream that 247 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: a police officer killed my mom. And when I tell you, 248 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: he got so mad that I said that. He got 249 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: so red and he asks, like, what makes you say that? 250 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: I just sat back and I said, who else can 251 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: get back in you guys's evidence closet? Nobody but a 252 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: police officer. At that Gallupski shut down and asked her 253 00:14:59,000 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: to leave. 254 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 3: After that time, I never seen them no more. 255 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: I got really discouraged, like, Okay, I'm asking the right questions, 256 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: but no one is really gonna be honest. I know 257 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: I'm on the right track, but I'm not gonna get 258 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: anywhere because it's just me. 259 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: But Trina wasn't the only one who had suspicions about Gallupski. 260 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: There were families across Kansas City slowly beginning to ask 261 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: themselves the same questions, parents, children, and sisters, re examining 262 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: the stories the women in their life had told them 263 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: and realizing that Gallupski had cast a dark shadow around 264 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: the circumstances of their deaths. They were ordinary people doing 265 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: what they could to try and piece things together, but 266 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: a powerful agency was working behind the scenes, one that 267 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: had spent years circling Gallupski and was about to center 268 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: in the FBI. 269 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 4: I had you and had you. 270 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: In the nineteen eighties, Alan Jenerch was an FBI agent 271 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: working in the Public Corruption Unit, investigating departments across the. 272 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 6: Country, basically trying to find public officials, police officers, or 273 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 6: others who walk corrupt, and somewhere around nineteen eighty eight 274 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 6: or eighty nine started investigating the Kansas City Police Department. 275 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: Alan had heard about possible misconduct in the force and 276 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: wanted to get to the bottom of it. He began 277 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: by talking not to officers, but to those they had arrested. 278 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 6: I would go over and interview them in the jail 279 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 6: and tell them we're not interested in them, We're not 280 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 6: interested in their family, we're not interested in their friends. 281 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 6: We're just interested if you have any information about corrupt cops. 282 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 6: So a lot of these people interviewing in the jail 283 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 6: were very cooperative and they were eager to tell what 284 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 6: they knew. I think at the high point where it's 285 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 6: fifteen cops who were titled subjects of the investigation, that's 286 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 6: a lot and one of those people was Kallupski. Talking 287 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 6: to people, you developed information that Kaulupski had a thing 288 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 6: for black women, he would extort them into having sex 289 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 6: with him. I think a lot of people knew what 290 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 6: Kalyupski was doing. 291 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: But if a lot of people knew about it, how 292 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: did Kulupski get away with it for so long. The 293 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: police is an organization that is supposed to protect them, 294 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: But Allan's years spent digging into police departments like the 295 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: CASEYKPD made it clear to him that that wasn't always 296 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: the case, and a lot of that was down to 297 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: the Blue Code of Silence, an unspoken rule in which 298 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: police officers decided not to report their corrupt and criminal colleagues. 299 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 6: I remember once this cop was on duty in the 300 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 6: police car and he had some woman and he raped 301 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 6: her in the police car. She went to the police 302 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 6: department and complained that this cop had raped her. Well, 303 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 6: the police didn't want to do anything about it. I 304 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 6: remember one of the internal affairs cops said to me, 305 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 6: you know, the purpose of the internal affairs unit is 306 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 6: to protect the upper ranks, to protect the people running 307 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 6: the police department. I think CASEYK had over two hundred cops, 308 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 6: and the whole time I was in Kansas City, I'm 309 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 6: not aware of one case brought by the Kansas City, 310 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 6: Kansas Police internal affairs unit against any cop. 311 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: It went further than just protecting their officers. 312 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 6: They wanted all internal affairs reports destroyed after three years. 313 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 6: You can't go back three years before to see what 314 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 6: complaints were made against him because it's all destroyed. 315 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: Alan doesn't know why those documents were destroyed, but he 316 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: has his own theories. 317 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 6: There's only one reason why you do that, to protect 318 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 6: corrupt cops. 319 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: It's not a theory we can be certain of, but 320 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: it's one Alan believes based on his experience of investigating 321 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: the police in his role at the FBI. He and 322 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: the other FBI agents on the case, code named Operation 323 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: Street Smart, had the support of Julie Robinson, a black 324 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: assistant US attorney who was determined to get to the 325 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: bottom of the alleged corruption in the KCKPD. 326 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 6: She gave me a grand jury subpoena every month where 327 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 6: we subpoenaed all the Kansas City, Kansas internal affairs complaints 328 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 6: that were made against the cops. 329 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: Subpoenas that helped them compile a folder of evidence about 330 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: Roger Glupski. 331 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 6: I didn't care who liked me and who didn't like me, 332 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 6: and Julie Robinson the prosecutor, she could give her rat's 333 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 6: ass whether they liked her, and I had the same attitude. 334 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 6: You can't be friends with people and investigate him. 335 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: At the same time, Julie and Allan dug Deeper conducted 336 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: interviews with prisoners who told him stories about Galupski, built 337 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 2: up a picture of how he operated, and investigated how 338 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: the KCKPD had enabled him to carry on for so long. 339 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: Alan could feel himself beginning to close in on Glupski. 340 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: But then in nineteen ninety four, Julie Robinson left the 341 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: US Attorney's job. She moved on to become the US 342 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: bankruptcy judge for the District of Kansas. 343 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 6: Once she left to become a judge, that was the 344 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 6: end of it. 345 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: Alan felt that Julie's replacement wasn't quite as willing to 346 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: help him and his team. 347 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 6: Were closed down the investigation because we didn't have anybody 348 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 6: in the US Attorney's office who wanted to do it. It 349 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 6: was worth it. 350 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: Dam Alan often wonders what would have happened if Julie 351 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: had never left, or if the rest of the US 352 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: Attorney's office had been as passionate as she'd been about 353 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: fighting police corruption. 354 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 6: You know, we would have got him in the early nineties, 355 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 6: maybe ninety three, ninety four, ninety five, we would have 356 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 6: gotten him. And there's a lot of crimes that he 357 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 6: committed after that that he never would have committed. And 358 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 6: you know a lot of people whose lives he ruined, 359 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 6: or his lives he tried to ruin. You know that 360 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 6: we could have prevented by taking him out, removing him 361 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 6: from his position. 362 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: It's hard to reckon with the realization that something could 363 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: have been done back then, but wasn't. All the complaints 364 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: in reports that led to nothing as Glupski rose up 365 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: the ranks of the KCKPD and used the power of 366 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: his position and police badge to abuse women and destroy lives. 367 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: Roger Glupski spent thirty five years working for the KCKPD 368 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: before retiring in twenty ten after decades of abuse that 369 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: it seems like at least some of his colleagues and 370 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: superiors knew about. He settled into a comfortable retirement on 371 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: a full police pension, but something was coming to disturb 372 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: his peace. 373 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 4: Could you state your. 374 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 7: Full name for the writer thesar Roger Kolupski, Do you 375 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 7: swear to. 376 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 4: Tell the truth of whole truth and nothing but the 377 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 4: truth to help you God. 378 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 8: I do. 379 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: I got you, I got you, I got you. 380 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: It's November twenty twenty and Roger Glupski is sitting in 381 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: an office on the twenty second floor of a law 382 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: firm in Kansas City. His hair and beard are bright white, 383 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: and he's wearing a lightly colored shirt and ki. He's older, 384 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: now sixty eight. He doesn't look as powerful as he 385 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: used to without his police badge and uniform. Instead, he 386 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: sat before a microphone with a camera pointed at him. 387 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: After his exoneration, La Motte McIntyre decided to sue the 388 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: Unified Government of Wandot County, ksey k for his wrongful conviction, 389 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: a lawsuit that has finally led Glupski to be subpoenaed 390 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: and questioned about the harms he inflicted on the women 391 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: and men of Kansas City, Kansas. Glupski looks despondent as 392 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: the prosecutor, Emma Freudenberger questions him. 393 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 8: You understand that we're accusing you of terrorizing black women 394 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 8: in Kansas City, Kansas for decades, raping women and goercing 395 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 8: women into giving false testimony. 396 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 1: Things start off pretty normally, but when Glupski fails to 397 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: give adequate answers to questions, the prosecutor gets firmer, Sir. 398 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 7: You understand that if I ask you a question and 399 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 7: you remember the answer, but you tell me you don't, 400 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 7: that's a lot. 401 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 2: You understand that if I don't remember, I don't remember. 402 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: If you reverse my memory, then I admit my hearer 403 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: and say you're correct, sir. 404 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 6: My question is simple of you. 405 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 7: As. 406 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: When she asks him direct questions about abusing black women 407 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: and forcing them to become confidential informants, Gulupski has a 408 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: simple response to her questions. 409 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 6: With all due respect on the advice on my afternity, 410 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 6: I WoT get the moment constitutional rights. 411 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: It's not the first or last time he invokes his 412 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: right to avoid self incrimination. It's his response to almost 413 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: every question she asks him. In fact, that day, Gulupski 414 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: pleads the fifth five hundred and fifty five times five 415 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five. 416 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I WoT my get the moment constitutional rights. 417 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: Lamont eventually settles his lawsuit out of court. Glupski isn't 418 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: put on trial. He's free to go, but Lamont's victory 419 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: puts a spotlight on Gallupski and inspires even more victims 420 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: to speak out. The stories are spreading across Kansas City, 421 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: starting its whispers but soon swelling into a churuse too 422 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: loud to ignore. It was enough to encourage people who'd 423 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: lost hope to tack back in, including Trina Cooper. She'd 424 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: been avoiding the KCKPD for twelve years after reaching a 425 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: dead end while investigating her mother, Dorothy's unsolved murder. She'd 426 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: tried to put the investigation behind her, but that was 427 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: all about to change. 428 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: I had took my youngest son on a trip, so 429 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 2: we were out of town, and my daughter she just 430 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: kept calling me, Mama, you really need to look into this. 431 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: Detective Trina's daughter told her that there was a scandal 432 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: unfolding in Kansas City, rumors of violence and sexual misconduct 433 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: that were being linked to a series of murders. Her 434 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: daughter explained it all over the phone. 435 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: I'm reading all these articles and its other ladies, and 436 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 2: I just really think that you probably need to go 437 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: and open up Grandma's case again. 438 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: Trina drove as her daughter told her story after story 439 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: about the unsolved murder cases of black women in Kansas 440 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: City who'd been involved with a certain detective, Roger Glupski. 441 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: There were often young mothers from low income areas of 442 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: Kansas City who spent part of their lives as sex workers. 443 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: The similarities between them and Trina's mother, Dorothy were startling. 444 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 2: And I was like, I'll talk about it when I 445 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: come back. And then it was like she'll call me again, Like, Mama, 446 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 2: it's getting serious. This police officer he was doing ex 447 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: Y and Z to these ladies, and it was ladies 448 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 2: that came up missing. Like it's like stories out here, Mama, 449 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 2: you really need to look into it. So on our 450 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: way back she called and I'm like, okay, see if 451 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: we can find somebody and I'll look into it. When 452 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: Trina got back home, she read through the articles. There 453 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: was one in particular that caught her eye. It was 454 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 2: two ladies that had done an article, Cadiza Heartaway and 455 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 2: Nico Quinn, And I told my daughter, I said, okay, 456 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: reach out to Nico and I'll reach out to Cadiza 457 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 2: on Facebook and see what we could come up with. 458 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: Far as that, Trina searched the name Cadiza Hardaway and 459 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: found our organization Justice for Windett. She'd expected to just 460 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: see a few social media posts an article or two, 461 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: but Kadija and I had been working hard for months 462 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: doing everything we could to bring the community together and 463 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: demand that the authorities investigate Klupski's long history of abuse. 464 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: One of the ways we did that was by organizing 465 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: in person visuals and rallies to give survivors, victims, and 466 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: their families a platform to share their stories. It was 467 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: something we encouraged a lot of the women we met 468 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: to show up for. 469 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: I reached out to Cadizia. 470 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 2: I had told her a little bit about my mom, 471 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: and we talked a little bit and she was like, Yo, 472 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 2: you need to come over to the rally. 473 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: Dozens of people showed up, friends, families, and neighbors of 474 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: women who had been violently murdered. Some of them were 475 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: carrying photos or wearing shirts with their loved ones faces. 476 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: Others held signs with their names. All of them had 477 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: been devastated by the murders, but being surrounded by other 478 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: people who were just as desperate as she was for 479 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: answers filled Trina with hope. 480 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 3: I went over to the rally and oh my god. 481 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: When I went over there, I'm like, this is unbelievable, 482 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: because Sous, for all of these years, I've always thought 483 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 2: it was just me. Trina stood at the rally and 484 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: listened to the other people whose loved ones had been 485 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: abused and still didn't have answers from the KCKPD. The 486 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: sense of solidarity she found at that rally inspired her 487 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: to start looking for answers again, especially now that she 488 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: realized Gulupski might be the missing piece and the puzzle, 489 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: so she went back to her investigation. 490 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 3: Until her mother's death. 491 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: No one can really give me answers but Kansas City, 492 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: Kansas Police Department. 493 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: Trina and her uncle Oscar get into her car, drive 494 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: to the kckpd's offices, and head over to the reception 495 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: at the front desk. Trina is shown into her room 496 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: with two detectives. 497 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: I sit down with them and I'm like, listen, I 498 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 2: just want to know what happened. 499 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 3: To my mom. 500 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: She asked them why they didn't keep her mom's jacket 501 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: in evidence, why her grandfather hadn't been able to follow 502 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: missing persons report, and what they'd found over the course 503 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: of their investigation. But they didn't have any answers. 504 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: So I'm already irritated with the whole situation because I 505 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: feel as though they have the answers, but they're keeping 506 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 2: the answers away from me. 507 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: She knows she isn't going to get anywhere with the 508 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: police officers, so she changes tact. 509 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 3: I said, give me my mom's foul. 510 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: Let me do the investigation that y'all did not do 511 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: on my mom's case. And he said, if I give 512 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: this foul to you, you cannot sue us. 513 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 3: Why would you say something like that? 514 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: I had questions going through my head, like and but Dentley, 515 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 2: it's something in this foul that's telling what happened to 516 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: my mom, and it's gonna come straight back to y'all, 517 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: because why would you even say something like that. They 518 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: always think that we're young, we're black, we don't know anything. 519 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: No, I'm seeing what's going on. 520 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: And so I sit down with them and I'm like, listen, 521 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: if it was your mom that got killed in the 522 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: eighties and you did not grow up with no parents, 523 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: what would you had have done? 524 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 3: They said, we would have left it alone. 525 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not, y'all. I want to figure it out. 526 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: And I said, if you are a damn lie, you 527 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 2: would have done exactly what I'm doing right now. If 528 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 2: you heard that some officers had something to do with 529 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: your mom and they said back and oh god, when 530 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: I tell you they got so rude with me. I'm 531 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: talking about so rude to where they threw the picture 532 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: in front of me of my mama land on the 533 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,239 Speaker 2: crime scene. He then goes to say, well, what are 534 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 2: you trying to say, Roger Gluski killed your mom? 535 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 3: I said, I didn't say that. You said that. 536 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: We reached out to the KCKPD to ask them about 537 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: Trina's interaction with the two detectives. They said that quote, 538 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: statements made regarding interaction with our detectives and miss Cooper 539 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: not accurate. We have specifically asked them what was inaccurate, 540 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: but we have not heard back from them at the 541 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: time of recording. Trina stands by her recollection of events 542 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: the casey KPD also said, quote, we have the utmost 543 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: empathy from miss Cooper and understand her desire to find 544 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: who killed her mother, as well as frustrations that have 545 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: built up over the years. Our cold case detectives continue 546 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: to actively investigate the case and hope that their efforts, 547 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: combined with new technology, will allow them to finally solve 548 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: this case. 549 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 3: Unquote. 550 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: It's important to say here that neither of the detectives 551 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: Trina spoke to were accused of being involved in Glupski's crimes. 552 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: Neither of them was charged with any wrongdoing, and there's 553 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: no evidence they were in any way aware of what 554 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: Glupski had done prior to stories about him breaking out 555 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: into mainstream news. But Trina keeps asking questions and pushing 556 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: them based on the fact that she didn't trust the authorities. 557 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 2: So now you're trying to defend him because you're thinking 558 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: that I'm coming in here saying that Roger Glupski killed 559 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 2: my mom, and he got so mad, and I was 560 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 2: just like, Okay, I'm here in the right pins and 561 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: the right people, and you guys are getting mad at 562 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 2: me because I'm coming with the right questions and you 563 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 2: guys don't have the right answers. 564 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: Trina leaves the police station without getting the answer she 565 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: once But the stories keep piling up. Journalists are beginning 566 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: to pay attention. The whispers are getting louder, and then 567 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: get Kansas City, Kansas Tonight, the FBI today arrested former 568 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: KCK police detective Roger Glubski that's coming up on The 569 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: Girlfriends Untouchable. The Girlfriend's Untouchable is produced by Novel for 570 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts. For more from Novel, visit novel dot Audio. 571 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: The show is narrated by me Nicki Richardson. It was 572 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: written and produced by Rufaro Masarua. The editor is Joe Wheeler. 573 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: Our assistant producer is Mohammed Ahmed. 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