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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot Il, a production of My Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Piece of Love. Y'all. Jill Scott presents Jay dot

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Speaker 1: Ill with my sister plans A Jay and I'm Jill Scott. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: Hello world, what's up? Although this is new for you,

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Speaker 1: this is something that the three of us have been

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Speaker 1: doing for years and we thought it's the right time

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Speaker 1: to share what's in our heads and hearts with you

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Speaker 1: because we want you to think. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: We really do want you to start and spark conversation.

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Speaker 1: We want you to maybe reanalyze something. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. I think it's over. Yes, see what's really

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Speaker 1: going on in there? Yeah? I for one, am really

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Speaker 1: really honored to be in this situation because who doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to yacht with their girlfriends and share with the world.

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Speaker 1: Uh many times I've wanted to share my multiple group

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Speaker 1: texts with everyone. But you know, after now twenty two

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Speaker 1: years of marriage, about twenty five years in the music business,

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Speaker 1: and you know, for those of you who don't know me,

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Speaker 1: I'm in a group with my husband called Kendred the

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Speaker 1: Family Soul and it's EXAM and we have six whole kids,

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Speaker 1: six whole children, and uh, you know, just living in

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Speaker 1: this world and being a creative and experience in this

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Speaker 1: And of course you know that I've known Joe Scott

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Speaker 1: for almost that entire time, actually longer than that. I've

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Speaker 1: known her since before I was ever even married, So

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Speaker 1: we've watched each other grow and experienced life in so

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Speaker 1: many ways. So I'm exiety to get a chance to

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Speaker 1: kind of chime in about all that we've done. Yeah. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I always considered myself fortunate enough to even have these

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Speaker 1: relationships with these two women number one and and number two,

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Speaker 1: to have it for so long. Like Asia said, for me,

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Speaker 1: I think we all kind of met around the same time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I came in a couple of years later, but

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Speaker 1: we are a couple of decades of this relationship. And

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Speaker 1: who would have thought me on a random trip to Montreal, Switzerland,

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Speaker 1: that I would have met this singer in this afro

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Speaker 1: with this left the jacket on named Jill Scott, and

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Speaker 1: that would have developed into this sisterhood as I moved

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Speaker 1: to Philly randomly and became this radio host that I

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Speaker 1: could always depend on, And it's so crazy that I

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Speaker 1: could always depend on not only you, but Asia just

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Speaker 1: as a radio girl in Philadelphia, Like whenever I called

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Speaker 1: y'all answer and even outside of just work, we played,

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Speaker 1: we have fun, we laugh, We've been two shows together,

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Speaker 1: we've been keep Key together. So it's just a privilege

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Speaker 1: should be able to not only bring that energy in

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Speaker 1: that spirit with so many sisters enjoy with their girlfriends

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Speaker 1: to displace, but to also share just all aspects of

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Speaker 1: y'all who people just really don't know. They just don't

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Speaker 1: they you think you know, Asia and Jill, Oh, but

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Speaker 1: you're about to be you just you about to get

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Speaker 1: it all and be so fulfilled at who these women

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Speaker 1: really are. You're gonna get some some I can't get everything.

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Speaker 1: You can't help it. They you won't be able to

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Speaker 1: help it. Jill. Yeah. The way it goes is that

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Speaker 1: we started talking, then we forget that. The mix is yeah,

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Speaker 1: this this kind of thing does happen. Yes, because but

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Speaker 1: like I said, and and we'll always continue to say, Um,

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Speaker 1: this is the point in purpose is to spark conversation.

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Speaker 1: You may not like what we're talking about. You you

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Speaker 1: love how we how we communicate between each other and

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Speaker 1: what we're saying. You might um, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: give you references We're gonna give you some interesting perspectives.

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Speaker 1: The goal is to spark that conversation and to get

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Speaker 1: us thinking and moving and moving. Yeah. I'm excited too

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Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of people will look

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Speaker 1: at us and go, Okay, these are two sisters. They're

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Speaker 1: probably got a lot in common, and we do, but

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Speaker 1: we also have a lot of differences, you know, like

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Speaker 1: even in from Asia being a mom and mom to

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Speaker 1: to Jill whatever. We're gonna drop status divorce okay three times. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I got blanket. But like I said, I gave

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Speaker 1: you so I can't. I can't promise you everything, but

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Speaker 1: I tell you I will be as honest and open

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Speaker 1: as I possible with man. We are gonna be talking

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Speaker 1: about love and uh, pretty much every aspect of existing. Um.

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Speaker 1: I know that that SAME's big, but but this gift

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Speaker 1: of life is gigantic, and I believe you got to

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Speaker 1: investigate the thing in order to understand why that why

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Speaker 1: Sometimes Sometimes we're gonna be talking about uh, scrowing, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about parents, and we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: being angry and how to deal with that and and

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Speaker 1: so many purposes, so many purposes. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: our hair, We're gonna talk about occasionally, we're gonna grab

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Speaker 1: some some weight and then talk about that meat in

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Speaker 1: these places. Yes, man hate is that we so I

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Speaker 1: would love to talk about the man meat. Okay, yes, delicious.

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Speaker 1: And of course, of course we don't want to bother

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Speaker 1: y'all with just us, even though we're enough. Amen. But

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Speaker 1: we're definitely going to be having a few guests on.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be sharing some of their experiences with us

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Speaker 1: and you know, opening up our minds and hopefully opening

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Speaker 1: up yours and cackling. And we're not always gonna just

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Speaker 1: uh speak out random facts. We're still going to give

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Speaker 1: to some of these issues that we're talking about. What

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Speaker 1: yah yah, because you need too someone, come on, come on,

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Speaker 1: come on. These opinions that we have they're going to change.

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Speaker 1: We are involving people, you know what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 1: these thoughts and opinions, you know, it might change the

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Speaker 1: next the very next day because we found out some ship.

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Speaker 1: You know, we learned something from somebody, or we learned

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Speaker 1: something because we read a new book, or um, we

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Speaker 1: had a new encounter. So you know, um very much

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Speaker 1: in this this cold culture of canceling people. Um, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do yourself a disservice. Don't do yourself a disservice.

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Speaker 1: Don't cancel me, consider me darling dollars. Well, now that

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Speaker 1: you know about us, let's go talk yo, ship woman,

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Speaker 1: be ready, let's get into it all right. So today

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about trying to figure out if we're

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Speaker 1: actually going to lead this country real rap, real rap,

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Speaker 1: Like the what's happening here is so mind boggling, and

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Speaker 1: what's been happening for so long. There's been police brutality

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Speaker 1: since the beginning, since the very beginning of this country.

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Speaker 1: It's been here. We're dealing with drug addictions, we're dealing

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Speaker 1: in and we're trying to figure out are we going

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Speaker 1: to stay here? Because it's a big world. What you think, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what's funny, Jil, I always wanted to have

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Speaker 1: you gotta read just everything, right if you just thinking,

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Speaker 1: Ian I like to call it on the National Museum

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Speaker 1: of African American History and Culture in d C. You

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Speaker 1: realize that all these different perpetrators of the slavery situation,

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Speaker 1: that narrows down your choices Portugal, Britain, ex because they're

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Speaker 1: like all the places that they calonized and the places

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Speaker 1: I'm still in the shoes. It was gonna be Canada,

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Speaker 1: black face. Were always say it was going to be Canada,

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Speaker 1: But I felt like for me, the heat situation, like

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Speaker 1: just can't deal with winter. So I was like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, that cut out a whole half of the

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Speaker 1: world for me. I was like, I said, that's not

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Speaker 1: But then the anti blackness is strong in the earth,

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Speaker 1: just like, wait a minute. I've been dealing with all

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Speaker 1: It's like, that's how I bear the anti blackness is

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Speaker 1: But that person that has the shared experience with you,

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Speaker 1: sunlight and make give you let you watch TV. Solar

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Speaker 1: panel a solar panel that I don't know, baby Mama

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Speaker 1: like space. I love having some space. That's a thing.

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Speaker 1: And I thought about that. I looked online today trying

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm quite ready. The prices for something

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Speaker 1: then on top of that, I don't know Canada like that,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know what neighborhood that's in. I found

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Speaker 1: was like, would you consider like an island so Saint Kids,

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Speaker 1: up all the stock in Club Happiness and gently welcome

425
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: our colored sisters in. We will own a piece of

426
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: Club Happiness and own it even though our mothers didn't.

427
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: Repete to Mason name, sir, m mmmmmm. And that's the goal,

428
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: finding and owning and claiming, and it not be so shaky.

429
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: What is what is happiness? What is peace of mind?

430
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: I want peace of mind. I want peace, I want it.

431
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: My dad always said happiness is fleeting. He said, it's

432
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: joy that you really really need, you know, like, come

433
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: on joy, Yes, come on joy, black girl joy. I mean,

434
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: the more that I look around, I try to be

435
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: true to listen to myself, because what happens is that

436
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: we think certain things are gonna bring us joy, and

437
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: then we go and try to acquire those things or

438
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: have those experiences, but we don't really listen to our

439
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: own spirit. And oftentimes for me, well anyway, the lesson

440
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: or the class that I'm in right now is really

441
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: being true to that voice inside me so I know

442
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: where my joy is because I mean, we talked about

443
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: this in other conversations about what we believe is the

444
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: pathway to joy or what we think is gonna make

445
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: us happy, and oftentimes we do that stuff, and I

446
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: know I have. I'm just done with that. I'm ready

447
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: to really listen to every little nuance of that voice

448
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: inside my head so that I know her really, really well,

449
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: so that my joy and whatever brings me joy is

450
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: based on her. It's not based on anything else or

451
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: anyone else, anyone else's joy, anything that makes anybody else happy,

452
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: anything that people say it is supposed to make you happy. Like,

453
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't want any of that in my head. I

454
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: want to quiet all of that. All I'm interested in

455
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: is her. I want to know her so well, that's

456
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: that's that's where I'm at. Oh, I feel like, uh,

457
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: I feel like what's what's Jada's daughter's name, Willow? I

458
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: feel like Willow right now? I was yes, yes, yes, yes,

459
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: there's nowhere. There's nowhere to go that it hasn't been

460
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: affected by the slave case. There's nowhere in the world.

461
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: There's nowhere. Yeah, because I wasn't gonna get into Holland

462
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: in the Dutch, in the South Africa there, you know,

463
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: I know, you know, I know, I already knew sounds like,

464
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: let's not go there. But Holland is known for being tolerant.

465
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: And somebody said, do you really want to be tolerated.

466
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: I'd rather be tolerated than discriminated against. I would rather.

467
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: I would rather that, I do believe. I mean, for me,

468
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: it was the Dutch people calling themselves Africans. That for me,

469
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: That's what it was for me. But again, like I said,

470
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: that's not that is not the conversation and which and

471
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: whatch we as having. I will say it doesn't resonate

472
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: to me. I remember watching I'm Not Your Negro and

473
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: Baldwin said there was nothing of America that he longed for,

474
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: not a hot dog, not a nothing, not a no.

475
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: It was like out of nothing. And yeah, so it's

476
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: like he did not along for anything of home. And

477
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: I can imagine why he did not obviously experienced something

478
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: different than what I did. Um, but it doesn't. You know,

479
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: Tony Morrison resonates with me because she didn't go nowhere.

480
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: She found a lovely lake, a lovely lake. She found

481
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: a lovely lake, a lovely lake. Yes, she wrote the

482
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: most beautiful work of art after she was forty years old.

483
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: She was close to coast to forty years old. She

484
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: found time to write that thing at five o'clock in

485
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: the morning before her kids woke up. She wrote those

486
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: books in traffic driving to her job. For me, she

487
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: found a freedom that nobody could touch because she took

488
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: it everywhere that she went. That's what I'm talking about.

489
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: That's what I want to to that that feeling, that

490
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: ownership of peace of mind. And unfortunately, you know, every

491
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: time I turn on any level of social media or

492
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: anything else, there's always something, you know, proclaiming that I

493
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: can't get what I want. And I'm not saying that

494
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm just saying, damn it, I'm I'm I'm tired.

495
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: That's the truth. I am. It's hard. We're all exhausted,

496
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: and people act like you can't be beat, like you

497
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: you don't like you know, I'm never tired. I come,

498
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: I feel like I need permission to feel beat. Okay,

499
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: so I give you permission. I give you permission to

500
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: take the weekend, take as many baths or as many

501
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: showers as you want, and not answer the phone unless

502
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: you want, and sleep, and maybe masturbate once or twice

503
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: if you feel like it. Twice. I mean, I'm just saying,

504
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: if that's what you want to to not answer the door,

505
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: to maybe not even wash your ass for the whole

506
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: weekend if you don't feel like it, I give you

507
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: permission to just bread if you want, watch movies if

508
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: you feel like it's sitting quiet, if that's that that's

509
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: your mood, like you know, so that we can get

510
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: up and do more, try harder, speak louder fus, make

511
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: a make a riff in this this dumbass water. Continue

512
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: to be the strong as both strong women on the planet,

513
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: we always have to be so strong. I give you

514
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: permission right now. Folks need to cry sometimes and and

515
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: scream sometimes. You know, church is not the only place

516
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: that you get to do it. Oh yeah, I'm definitely

517
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: in a class right now about well, about two things

518
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm in that ministry. One O one, there's that um

519
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: and that's not my word that minute as I'm so

520
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: oh no, I'm sorry. So let me just say this.

521
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: I have an aunt. I have an aunt who whenever

522
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: she's like really in a life less in space, she

523
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: always says she's in a class and um, so yeah,

524
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: I just I get that from my aunt Jackie piece

525
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: to her. But yeah, that's number one about that NAP ministry,

526
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: which is, like I said, not my concept, but certainly

527
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: it has touched me. But the other part is, you know,

528
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: oning my weakness like ship, I'm tired and I'm weak

529
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: and I and I have to speak those things sometimes

530
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: sometimes I have to talk about that. And actually I'm

531
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: gonna put this out here too. Um A girlfriend and

532
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: I sent me a clip from Alicia Keys the other

533
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: day she was on Alive or something like that, and

534
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: she was talking about watching like this anime TV show,

535
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: So that was the basis for it. But the character

536
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: in the show had to kind of come to terms

537
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: with her fear, and she talked to about how a

538
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: lot of times, and much like weakness, a lot of

539
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: times we feel like we don't want to give our

540
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: weakness or fear and name because we feel like we're

541
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: gonna give it power, or that we can't give in

542
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: because if we give into it somehow we won't come back.

543
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's the speaking on it, the getting it out,

544
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: the talking and saying it exists that helps. It helps

545
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: to deny its power. I think that that I'm with

546
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: that that's the class that I'm in, like I said,

547
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: is about that in terms of my weakness, what I'm

548
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: not able to handle. And I've even gotten into talking

549
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: to my kids about it, which truth be told, it

550
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: was grief that did that when I lost my mother.

551
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: Eventually I had to tell my kids I don't have

552
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: it today, and I hadn't done that before. I had

553
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: not ever said to my kids, I do not emotionally

554
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: have this for you today, like I can't talk today,

555
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, and that was freeing beyond belief that oppera

556
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: tunity to say and to name my weakness, name my fear,

557
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: say it out of my mouth, you know. So now

558
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't really shy away from that anymore. I mean

559
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: I think I think it has empowered and given my

560
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: kids actually some language around it. And I got four girls.

561
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't have time to send anymore black women out

562
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: in the world. Ill equipped, somebody que the applause, man, man,

563
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: There are places in the world to go. It's a

564
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: big world. There's a lot of there's a ship show

565
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: pretty much everywhere you go. You have the right to

566
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: choose the ship you want to deal with. Coming up

567
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: next on the show, What's on Your Heart an occasional

568
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: segment where we're checking with people rerespect about how they're

569
00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: really feeling. How on y'all? I think there's somebody that

570
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: must mean it's time for What's on you hi'd de Blai,

571
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for calling in today. Would you

572
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: mind telling us a little bit more about yourself? My

573
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: name is Dr Yalla Blay. I am a scholar, activists professor.

574
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: I prefer to say an educator because it's not limited

575
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: to the college classroom. I'm also a producer and a

576
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: cultural worker, and in this moment, I like to self

577
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 1: identify as an independent people's worker. So what's on your heart? Two?

578
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot happening in this moment in

579
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: this world. Um, when I was trying to think about

580
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: what's on my heart, I think the feeling, the emotion,

581
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: the thought that keeps coming up is I'm tired. And

582
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: this kind of tired in this moment is different than

583
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: other kinds of tires. Not that I've not been tired before,

584
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: but it's like something about this moment, right, So when

585
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm speaking of this moment, I'm speaking, of course this

586
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: new COVID nineteen reality, but also simultaneously, it's like when

587
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: COVID hit us in a particular way and Quarantine hit

588
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: us in a particular way. Was also after the assassination

589
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: of George Floyd, and it just felt like the world

590
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: woke up. And it's like, on the one hand, we

591
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: should be grateful, I suppose that the world don't woke up,

592
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: But it's also, if I'm honest, there's a there's a

593
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: bit of resentment. I think that that accompanies that moment,

594
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: because it's like, for those of us who do work

595
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: for and about black folks, like we've been saying the

596
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: same ship for X amount of years, and now that

597
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: everybody else done woke up, Now everybody else is ready

598
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: to ring the alarm. Now it's time for us to

599
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: jump on your schedule. So I'm grateful, be clear, because

600
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: COVID also presented a particular reality where I can't travel,

601
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: which is a out of how I make my income

602
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: in terms of speaking and consulting and such, and so

603
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: I was really kind of nervous, like, well, what am

604
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: I gonna do if we have to be in the

605
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: house until and so thankfully, you know, the moment presented

606
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities because now we know we can

607
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: do anything we want from home, from our computers and

608
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: lectures and consulting. We can do everything, and so it's dope.

609
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: But also I've never been approached as much as I

610
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: have now in this moment. So yes, it's a blessing

611
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: money wise, opportunity wise. But also can y'all chill out

612
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: for a second, you know what I mean? Like the

613
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: work is gonna be here, like this is life work,

614
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: this is long term work. But right now you're Auntie

615
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: you're aware, you want to do something, you want to

616
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: make a statement, you want to help the blacks, you

617
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: want to do all these things, and it's like there's

618
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: only so many hours in a day. So yes, I

619
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: love the opportunity, and yes I want to do this work,

620
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: but I also want to hug and kiss on my

621
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: grand babies, and I also want to take a nap,

622
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: multiple napsult So I think the challenge is balance. I mean,

623
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: I've been saying balance for so many years to the

624
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: point where it don't even feel like a real concept anymore. Right,

625
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: that we're seeking balance, like how do we balance working

626
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: and rest and all the other things that we should

627
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: have been enjoying in life. But I think this moment

628
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: just presents another set of challenges. I want to make

629
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: sure that we understand that the you that she's talking

630
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: about are the lovely whites, the happy whites that have

631
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: finally decided that they want to jump into this conversation,

632
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: and now that they've jumped in, they want results, and

633
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: part of their results is reaching out to those of

634
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: us and those black people who have been doing this

635
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: work for now, for decades, and not even just decades,

636
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: really there doing work for decades in the tradition of

637
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: work that's been going on since the beginning, since the beginning,

638
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: since the beginning, and so Dr Yaba Blay is one

639
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: of those people and us amazing work around you know,

640
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: black joy, so amongst other things, amongst delving into so

641
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: many different aspects of how we present ourselves and preserve

642
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: ourselves when we're consistently on attack. But girl, I'm tired

643
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: to child. Yes, yeah, I'm glad you reaffirmed that that

644
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: whole folks waking up today and you've been woke for

645
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: so long and having to like accept that as uh okay,

646
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: so we're just gonna accept that You're in the elementary

647
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: school while I've been getting my masters, and it's so frustrating.

648
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. Woke so long that

649
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: I need a nap, you know what I mean, even

650
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: conceptually this notion of woke. And I'll say the other thing.

651
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: I know as of you you clarified and said it's

652
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: the whites. But let me be clear, the blacks are

653
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: on my nerves too. That talks are on my nerves

654
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: in this moment, uh, because this is work, right, and

655
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that just having black skin puts us

656
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: in a position to speak about the editions of our

657
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: society or our community, or puts us in an authority

658
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: position to speak on behalf of the community in terms

659
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: of what's best for us. And so I think there

660
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: are a lot of ways that we take our lived

661
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: experience for granted, meaning that we think it's as simple

662
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: as to say, let's end racism. What does that mean?

663
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: And what does that look like into what level? Right?

664
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: And how are you even understanding how racism impacts your

665
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: lived experience and maybe not just yours, but all of

666
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: us all over this world, Because like white supremacy is insidious,

667
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: so it manifests in a variety of ways that a

668
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: lot of times people aren't even able to um pick

669
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: up on. And so I have an example. I'm I

670
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: don't know if it's safe space. If you want to

671
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: go with it has to be more recently, your friend

672
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: Adele please talk about it. A dealt with the band

673
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: to Knocks and the celebration of Carnival, right, And so

674
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: the Jamaican became need didn't bother me, do you? Right?

675
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with my Jamaican brothers and sisters. You know,

676
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: out of many one people, and so I know the

677
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: vibe in terms of being very accepting, you know, and

678
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: embracing of a multi racial, multicultural identity, which is cool.

679
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: How Beever, when we as black women take issue with

680
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: the hairstyle that Adele chose, I eat Bantu nots. Why

681
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: is it that I'm having more conversation and more argument

682
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: with black people defending her choice of hairstyle the white people.

683
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: White people in a certain way know how to listen

684
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, you might be right, doc,

685
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit this one out. Black people, however, we

686
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: fight amongst each other because again, we don't have a

687
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: sense of who gets to speak on our behalf. So

688
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: just because you, one black person don't have a problem

689
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: with hair hairstyle does not in the gate the impact

690
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: that her beha avior has on earth lived experience. Who

691
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: are you? Now? Somebody else might ask, well, who are you?

692
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you who I am the spirit

693
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: come on tell us? But somebody who studies, Because again,

694
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: when I talk about exhaustion, I think people might think

695
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: that race work is just something that every black person

696
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: should be able to do. Like I have a whole

697
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: PhD That required a whole lot of money, and reading

698
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: a whole lot of books, and sitting in a whole

699
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: lot of classes, and writing a whole lot of papers,

700
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: and doing a whole lot of ship Like I've been

701
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: trained in this work, and that training didn't end when

702
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: I got the degree. I'm still doing this work. So

703
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: if I come to you and I give you an

704
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: analysis and I say what she's doing is cultural appropriation,

705
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: why are you one black person now arguing with me

706
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: about you not feeling away? That doesn't change the impact

707
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: of what she's doing. It doesn't change the fact that

708
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: she needs to get checked on the land. You don't

709
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: want us to fight. You want us to be on

710
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: the front line. You want us to chant and cheer.

711
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: Black lives matter so long and you're comfortable with it.

712
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: But when your one white friend crosses the line, now

713
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: it's time for us to save her. It's like the

714
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: one black person that's okay with their one white friend

715
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: saying nigga all day long, just because you gave them

716
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: permission to say it. They're gonna get punched in the

717
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: face when they go away from you out in the community.

718
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: You can't save them. Ain't no cookout invites that a

719
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: single one, not a single one. Part of the exhaustion

720
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: is like I've been trained how to fight white folks

721
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: and white folks. I'm not saying that I want to

722
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: fight you, but I'm saying that I understand the defensiveness

723
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: that comes when someone is talking about racism and white

724
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: supremacy and a system that you ultimately benefit from, whether

725
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: you choose to or not. I know how to do that,

726
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: But I love us so much that I think it

727
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: actually hurts my feelings that I also have to fight

728
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: us too in the way this work. It hurts my

729
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: feelings because I don't want to fight us. But also

730
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: Harriet Tubman, being my patron saint that she is, Harry

731
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: Is said everybody can't come. We just had that conversation

732
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: about everybody can come and who can come, and everybody

733
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: can and and it's I think, you know, if again,

734
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: if we're being honest on an emotional vulnerable level, it

735
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: also hurts to be able to say that right that

736
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: everybody can't come. In reality, everybody can't come. And so

737
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: I might not respond to your comment, I might not

738
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: respond to your email. I might not want to talk

739
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: to you about it, brother or sister because to do

740
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: so is to actually waste time and energy that I

741
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: don't have. When I could be napping, I could be napping,

742
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: could be doing any number of things. I could be

743
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: scrolling Instagram, I could just be being But like I think,

744
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: what people also have to understand, white, black and other

745
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: is that just because you ask a question of somebody,

746
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: they're not required to give you an answer. And I

747
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: think when you do public work, people think that you

748
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 1: should be accessible at all times. But I literally sat

749
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 1: there and I counted I blocked over a hundred folks

750
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: that day just because And I'm talking about black and white,

751
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: right because the other thing again, these kind of this

752
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: hurtful space that becomes created in the space of Adele

753
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: to have folks who are Caribbean come and give their

754
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: explanation and their excuse of her behavior, and then it

755
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: become a conversation of well, you're not Caribbean, so you

756
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: can't speak, or you're not Jamaican and therefore you don't

757
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: understand or to say to me, you're African Americans, but

758
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: actually you don't know me, right, So we all have

759
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: black skin, but we all have different backgrounds. I'm actually

760
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: not African American I'm Ghanian American, not that that puts

761
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: me in any other position, but it is to say,

762
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: if you want us to understand the nuance of your identity,

763
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: understand that we all have nuance in our identities. Right,

764
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: My people from Ghana, they were colonized by the British.

765
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: Do you know that? Right now? In if you go

766
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: to court in Ghana, the judges are wearing powdered wigs,

767
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: and meanwhile folks are sitting here doing COVID talking about

768
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: where they want to escape too, and they're going back

769
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: to Africa. And my point is I get it. I

770
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: get the need and the desire to leave this place

771
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: because it is so aggressively violent towards us. But it's

772
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: also to say, if you don't understand how white supremacy works,

773
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: you won't recognize it in all the other ways that

774
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: it manifests. So yes, you might be around a whole

775
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: bunch of black folks who were speaking a whole another language,

776
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: who are living a whole another culture, but white supremacy

777
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: lives there too. There is nowhere on this earth that

778
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: you can go to escape it. Can we can we

779
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: go back to what? Can we go back? You were

780
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: gonna stay here because because why I will say this,

781
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: I will say this that ultimately the ways in which

782
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: we get to understand each other and share a common

783
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: language is by knowledge, is by knowing and communicating with

784
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: one another. And we have to find a place to

785
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: commune and study together so that we know these things,

786
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: so that we are working from the same baseline. We

787
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: we create a value. So dr blame, Um, how do

788
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: we do this? We need to start some tribunals and

789
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: cities across the countries. Um. Do some iteration of that

790
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: sound realistic? Of course? I mean. And again for me,

791
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: it's like I enjoy teaching people who want to learn,

792
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I do think we

793
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: need a safe space, and the internet is not so

794
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: safe because everybody has access to it. So yeah, we're committed.

795
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: And their folks who are coming to the table, like, yeah,

796
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: let's talk, not saying just come and let me take

797
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: everything you say is right and move on, but like,

798
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: let's enter into conversation with the common kind of agreement

799
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: that we're here to learn and we want to walk

800
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: away from this space in better understanding of one And

801
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a beautiful idea, you know, And it

802
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: would be probably be great to get some well intentioned

803
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: white folks to fund it. I'm glad said that. I'm

804
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: interested in the way that we're treating quote unquote allies.

805
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm watching us um react, um, react to what seems

806
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: to be people with good intentions in a very ugly way,

807
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: and I'm concerned about that. What do you how what's

808
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: your perspective there, Dr Blake? I think it depends on

809
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: the nature of the offense. Um. Without the offense, I'm

810
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: hesitant to say we need allies. That's what I was

811
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: about to say. I'm gonna say it anyway. I'm gonna say.

812
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say we need allies because we do because

813
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: in order for white supremacy to get checked, white people

814
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: have to also recognize their investment in it, right, and

815
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: they also have to be really willing to re send

816
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: some of the privileges, unearned privileges that they get from it.

817
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: But I also pushed us a step further to say, like,

818
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: I'm less interested in allies, um than I am in accomplices, right,

819
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: Like we need accomplices, like what you're willing to do

820
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: and what we're gonna call them instead of spook who

821
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: sat by the door. We need Casper who sat by

822
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: the door. I don't know, but we need somebody to

823
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: go in on our behalf and do this work, recognizing

824
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: that your white skin, your white privilege, your white experience,

825
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: is going to give you access to a truth that

826
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: we won't have access to. And then you get in

827
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: there and you give them the business on our behalf,

828
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: and not just on the behalf of the blacks, but

829
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: recognizing that you have an investment in it as well.

830
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: And as if we get rid of white supremacy, your

831
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: life will also be enhanced. I think a lot of

832
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: folks are just afraid of the privilege that they might

833
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: lose if we end racism, if we end white supremacy,

834
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: which is why the back Oh of course, yeah, that's

835
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: why I feel like if you have an ally, you know,

836
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: or an accomplice, to be respectful, but I need to

837
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: see your papers because I'm not just gonna call you.

838
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: I think we all need to decide that you're an ally.

839
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: You can't be telling me you're an ally. You get

840
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: none of that. You can't have one black friend that

841
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: said here ally, No, we need to discuss this. They

842
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: need to be vetted and what does an ally mean

843
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: just because you have like something or you have posted something,

844
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: or are you in these streets? Are you doing it

845
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: in your dollars? Like? What does that? It looks a

846
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: variety of ways. And I think that's ultimately where we

847
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: have to push us, all right, that you don't just

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this real quick

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Speaker 1: How do you know? Listen? What I'm gonna say is

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Speaker 1: to push my particular energy. What I'm gonna say is this,

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Speaker 1: is that my responsibility, or what the responsibility I feel

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Speaker 1: like I want to take, is quieting the messages and

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Speaker 1: the white supremacist messag is in my head and shifting

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Speaker 1: my own lands as much as I possibly can. And

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Speaker 1: much a personal inner work does affect how the world

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Speaker 1: changes because we interact with so many people on a

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Speaker 1: our lifetime, and it's those interactions that begin to shift

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Speaker 1: and mold how other people think. Children, older, older people,

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Speaker 1: older people who may need to shift and and and

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Speaker 1: incorporate certain evolution in their wisdom. All those things are important,

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Speaker 1: as well as just having radical compassion for my own folks.

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Speaker 1: I don't have time to help other people accept something

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Speaker 1: that my own people are suffering so much behind, and

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Speaker 1: so my compassion is for them, and for now, my

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Speaker 1: compassion is for them alone. I still say, don't cut

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Speaker 1: off your toe despite your foot. I know you're trying

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Speaker 1: to hurt no white people. I just think come starting

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Speaker 1: with what they heard or not. No, no, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that we got feelings. I understand, I understand.

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Speaker 1: I just you know, coming from a different place, Jill,

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Speaker 1: your white friends still gonna like you after this. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna mess it up. That's already and they don't like

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Speaker 1: you more because what I've learned is that the good

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Speaker 1: white people love a good revolutionary as sucking uh public

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Speaker 1: enemy like they love a good revolution I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: you know what this is. I'm just saying that I

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Speaker 1: like to I like to believe that we were capable

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Speaker 1: of using all the tools in the shed. I feel

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Speaker 1: that you understand. And if there is someone or a

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Speaker 1: company or someone that's willing to put their money and

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Speaker 1: their energy into destroying white supremacy, I am not mad.

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Speaker 1: Keep exactly that's all that that that's in fairness, what

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Speaker 1: I say to them is thank you. But also, you

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Speaker 1: don't get gold stars for being a basically decent human.

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Speaker 1: Decent and I think a lot of times that's what

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Speaker 1: words expect. It wasn't handing out stalls. Just kind of

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Speaker 1: speaking of what Asian said. I think we all have

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Speaker 1: to know our place in the work, and if it's not,

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Speaker 1: if that's not your lane, don't occupy it right. Figure

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Speaker 1: out what what you do best and stay there. There

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Speaker 1: are people who know very well how to to to

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Speaker 1: co mingo and how to foster relationships with allies and accomplices.

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Speaker 1: I pass it off to them. It's not my strong suit.

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Speaker 1: But yes, absolutely we need everybody invested in this work,

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Speaker 1: all of us here here. Please inform us of your

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Speaker 1: books so we can purchase. Okay, so my first book,

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Speaker 1: one Drop, Shifting the Lens on Race, I actually printed

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Speaker 1: it independently back in and it is now being re

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Speaker 1: released on be Compressed and it will be available for

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Speaker 1: US as of Black History months and by the time

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Speaker 1: this show airs will have pre orders available on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: And so that's one drop shifting the lens on race.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, I'm on Instagram way too much. Um,

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Speaker 1: I do a lot of stuff on there. But for

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Speaker 1: more information you can check my website, Yaba blade dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. How do you eat an elephant?

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Speaker 1: One by time? Hey? Everyone, Hey, y'all, it's Eaves. You'll

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Speaker 1: hear from me from time to time because I'm an

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Speaker 1: executive producer on the show. We are nearing the end

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Speaker 1: of this episode, but Jill, Layah and Asia want you

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Speaker 1: to know that they're not just on here talking ship.

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Speaker 1: As Angel would say. All right, so y'all might have

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Speaker 1: heard this thing before how do you eat an elephant?

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Speaker 1: One bite at a time? But if you haven't, it

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Speaker 1: basically means that when you have something in front of

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Speaker 1: you that feels like this huge, insurmountable task, what you

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Speaker 1: can do is break it down into smaller, bite sized pieces.

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Speaker 1: That way it no longer seems impossible. That's why we

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Speaker 1: want to share resources with you. So when we talk

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Speaker 1: about these topics that have so many layers, you have

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Speaker 1: a small bite of information to take with you as

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Speaker 1: you navigate through life. All that said, the resource that

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Speaker 1: we want to share with you today is travel Noir.

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Speaker 1: Laiah brought up a travel Noir article in today's episode,

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Speaker 1: and she often goes to travel noir dot com to

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Speaker 1: learn about what's happening in the world of black travel.

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Speaker 1: I'll drop a link in the episode description. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening to Jill Scott present j dot il the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is hosted by Jill Scott, Layah st Clair,

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Speaker 1: and agent Braden Danceler. It's executive producers are Jill Scott,

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Speaker 1: Sean g and Brian Calhoun. It's produced by About Your

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Speaker 1: Thank Claire and Me. He's Je co The editing and

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Speaker 1: found design for this episode we're done by Taylor Chaquin.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say this part about Nina Simone, her moving

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Speaker 1: to Switzerland when I had the privilege of meeting her.

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Speaker 1: Thanks and shout out to Diana Williams in Philadelphia. When

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Speaker 1: I had the privilege and honor to meet Nina Simone,

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Speaker 1: she told me that that I should leave here, that

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Speaker 1: I should leave this place that America would never understand me.

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Speaker 1: I was like, damn, how you just that's the greeting,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, that's the greeting you

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Speaker 1: should leave. Jay dot Ill is a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit

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