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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Gradios How Stuff Works. Hello, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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Speaker 1: is Nolan. They call me Ben. We are joined as

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Speaker 1: always with our super producer Paul, Mission controlled decand most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. It occurs to

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Speaker 1: me that although this episode is coming out in January,

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Speaker 1: very end of Yes, the Lost Decade. Is that what

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Speaker 1: it's It's interesting because we're also covering something today that

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Speaker 1: many of our fellow listeners have asked us to cover

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Speaker 1: for years and years and years. We have touched upon this,

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Speaker 1: we have mentioned it, but as as you all know,

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Speaker 1: longtime listeners, when we first set out creating this show,

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Speaker 1: skipped over initially things like the jfk assassination Area fifty one,

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Speaker 1: you know, the moon landing, all those all those History

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Speaker 1: something that has been a long time coming or a

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Speaker 1: and that is the tale of Atlantis, Uh not Atlanta Atlantis.

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Speaker 1: see people arguing that, well, the next were actually Atlantean

425
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: or those myths in some areas of the world about

426
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: mysterious pale people who show up and tell you how

427
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: to do things. Uh, those are stories about people from Atlantis.

428
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: There's not a lot to back this up, but it's

429
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: a very it was for its time. It's a blockbuster.

430
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: It's it's something that people love because it ties into

431
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: the concurrent rise of an interest in spirituality and science

432
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: united that we can, despite the fact that we were

433
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: bad at it earlier, our species can in fact understand

434
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: the world around us. And so people who were followers

435
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: of theosophy and people who were later who would become

436
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: what we would later call new agers or people who

437
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: have New Age beliefs loved this and they were saying, well,

438
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, maybe this means that esp clairvoyance, all these

439
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: other things that are dismissed by the scientific Act of

440
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: the scientific institutions of these days, maybe they were just

441
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: ancient technology and Atlantis had a handle on it and

442
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: it's being suppressed. And this is where we enter the

443
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: story of a guy named Edgar Casey who did something

444
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: really interesting. Have we ever talked about Edgar Casey on

445
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: this show? Pretty sure we have, Yeah, yeah, I think

446
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: it's mostly in a mention when when we are getting

447
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: into some of these realms, I've lost history year something

448
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: like that. He comes up. Yeah. So he was a

449
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: He was born in eighteen seventy seven. He was a

450
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: clairvoyant and he would go into trances. It was known

451
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: as the Sleeping Prophet, and in his trances he would

452
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: answer questions that people asked about everything from nutrition to

453
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: chronic illness, reincarnation, future wars, future events of global import

454
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: and he talked about Atlantis as well. His story is

455
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: a little bit different from Rudebeck's, a little bit different

456
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: from Bacons and so on, because he and and different

457
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: from my my boy Ignatius because he had a specific

458
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: prediction that appeared and you know where you stand, appeared

459
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: to come true. And just a quick mention, we did

460
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: talk about Edgar Casey in an episode called Prophecy, Predictions

461
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: and Prescience that I think was back in the YouTube

462
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: days as well, So there should be a video version

463
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: of addition to the oh yes, Ben he got, he

464
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: got very specific about a place where, at least some

465
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: part of the thing that we call Atlantis, the city

466
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: would rise up from the ocean depths at some point,

467
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: and he pinpointed. He said he would rise off off

468
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: the coast of Bemini, that's right at the western end

469
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: of the Bahamas. And he was like, that is definitely

470
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: gonna happen. You guys, I'm Edgar Casey. That's my word

471
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: and I'm sticking to it. That's how he talked. Atlantis

472
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: is gonna hang out over there off Beamini. And guess

473
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: what happened in nineteen sixty eight, noll, I don't have

474
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: to guess. Okay, it's right here. A diver actually discovered

475
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: an underwater rock formation that's now known as the Bamini Road. Oh,

476
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: it's fascinating, And whether or not it was man made. Um,

477
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: whether it was natural, it's just it's just not known

478
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: right now. Well, it appears to be natural. Just gotta

479
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: put that out there. It appears to be natural. But

480
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. I don't know man because it

481
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: looks sure it could all be just a a pattern

482
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: that we're inventing that we attempt to see. But if

483
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: you pull up photographs of it, it looks it looks

484
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: like these are gigantic uh stones laid out in a pattern, right,

485
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: like a like a cobblestone road for giants. You know. Um. Again,

486
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: experts have pooh pooed the idea that it was man made. Uh.

487
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: It's also sometimes called the Bamini wall and uh they

488
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: look like they're limestone blocks laid out in order in

489
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: a pattern. It's not hard to find. You can see

490
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: a ton of photographs of it. However, there are people

491
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: who feel that there's a geological, non human argument for

492
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: its creation, and then there are people who feel like

493
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: it has been created by some ancient civilization. Wouldn't that

494
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: be relatively easy to test for, like in terms of

495
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: the composition or the consistency of the material. I'm no

496
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: underwater geologist or anything. Which you would think that, you know,

497
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: taking a sample, um you could date it at the

498
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: very least and then kind of figure out what kind

499
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: of material it's made of, and based on that figure

500
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: out if it was cobbled together from different stuff or

501
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: if it's consistent or whatever. Well, I think this calls

502
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: for a Bemani trip. Guys, Yes, Bahamas, of course we

503
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: need to go. Can I bring my snorkel, my face mask.

504
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: You have to. We're gonna get a snorkel. We're gonna

505
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: get face mask, oxygen tanks. We're gonna send Paul down there.

506
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: We're going to start in Applebee's on the ocean. Under

507
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: the ocean, well, it's gonna be right above like floating. Yeah,

508
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: but the events based under the water. You can snorkel

509
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: the Bani Road to get there. There we go, There

510
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: we go. And shirts, Yeah, I gotta have t shirts. Uh.

511
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: And then also flippers. What's the what's the fancy word

512
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: for those you know what I'm talking about? Flippers? He's

513
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: just calling flippers. I think so fins, maybe fins foot fins.

514
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: Here's guys, here's the best part about the Applebee's that's

515
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: going to float above the Bani Road is it that

516
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: they play Atlantis the Lost Empire. I mean, that will

517
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: certainly be a feature. The best part is that when

518
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: you go there, you're gonna have your four basic food groups. Okay, okay, beans, bacon, whiskey. Oh,

519
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: and there's a fourth one large large. Why did you

520
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: just hold up three fingers? I just I've in my head,

521
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: I was like, there are four things within my hand

522
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: betrayed me. I really did. Okay, hang on, I'm gonna

523
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: make eye contact with with Michigan troll sufficient. Okay, we

524
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: got we got it. Okay, we got a weird nod though,

525
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: I think we can lean into this a little, a

526
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: little further, but yeah, yeah, it's it's weird because bmini road.

527
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: It's fascinating about this is that it's when people are

528
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: arguing it's man made. It's often presented as a relatively

529
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: unique thing, but it's it's one of several types of

530
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: formations found throughout the world. There's a tessellated pavement in Tasmania.

531
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: There's the UH in Oaklaw, Homa. There's this jointed bedrock

532
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: that has been called a Phoenician fortress and furnace. UH.

533
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: There's a place called Battlement Mesa in Colorado. What was

534
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: that when you just mentioned four Battlement? What were Phoenician

535
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: Fortress and furnace Oklahoma? Also, I've never heard of that. Well,

536
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: that's what it's called. And how much of how much

537
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: of that branding is for how much that branding is

538
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: to get tourism. It doesn't matter now because I think

539
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: it got paved over. So so Bamini Road has some

540
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: cons it's got some pros um Like you said, no,

541
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: old people are still fighting over it being man made

542
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: or a natural thing. Mainly there's b geologists saying that

543
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: it's just something that happened. And then it would be

544
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: a lot of supporters of Edgar Casey, uh, some of

545
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: some of the members of the Association Research and Enlightenment,

546
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: the nonprofit formed to study his work, who argue that

547
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: it is man made reverdence of a greater civilization. Man

548
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: Eckar Casey is just so fascinating. When I was, um,

549
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: I was younger, I used to be really into it.

550
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: But the the thing, though, is regardless of which way

551
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: you look at it, he did say that there was

552
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: something there in Bemini. Well, he said it was going

553
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: to rise up. Okay, so it wasn't completely right, but

554
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: maybe he just meant it would rise up in our

555
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: consciousness because we would be made aware of it. Oh,

556
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: here we go, all right, I'll play your reindeer games.

557
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: So maybe there's some interpretation that we're lacking here. It's true,

558
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: it's true. Maybe you know, maybe, like Plato, the arguments

559
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: out whether you're speaking allegorically or or literally. So this

560
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: is great because we're already touching on some controversies, right.

561
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: Two big big problems was solving the mystery of the

562
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: Atlantis story. First, as we said, there's so much added

563
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: to the original tale if you think about it now,

564
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: Plato himself would not recognize a lot of the things

565
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: that are considered canonical Atlantis folklore in the modern day.

566
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: He would essentially be going, like, what the hell is

567
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: an alien? Are you guys thinking of God's because he

568
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: might say there's no such thing as there's no such

569
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: thing as aliens. You know, one man's alien as another

570
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: man's God, right exactly. Uh, And then he would say

571
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: something around along the lines of like no, no, if

572
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: they were aliens, they've got God's too. They're probably the

573
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: same ones. Maybe not, I don't know, see his like

574
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: space beside and rules all of it. Who knows. Uh. Secondly,

575
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 1: and this is the most important part of the story,

576
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: we know lost civilizations exist. This world is littered with

577
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: remnants and ruins of groups, communities, village is, entire cities,

578
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: some of which remain unidentified the modern day. We keep

579
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: finding evidence of unknown people from ages past, and it

580
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: is possible, if not plausible, that one of these groups

581
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: may have provided the real world grain of factual sand

582
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: upon which this whole pearl of the Atlantis myth slowly

583
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: accreated over time. You'll see why a created is a

584
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: terrible pun in a minute or so after a word

585
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: from our sponsors, and we're back and we're going to

586
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: delve into some of these Uh well, well they're not pearls.

587
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: What do we call them? We're gonna call them um,

588
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: because Atlantis is the pearl, right, These are the grains

589
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: that are around the pearl. Sure, yeah, okay, uh if

590
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: Atlantis is the if Atlantis is the main dish, Okay,

591
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: if Atlantis is the Applebee's entree, Yes, a law civilizations,

592
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: these are the the apps in the side dishes, apps

593
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: in the the dessert that also comes with it. Okay,

594
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I can't place a signature Applebee's

595
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: app in my mind. Like I think of Outback, I

596
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: think of a bloom and onion, I think Chile's. I

597
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: think Southwestern egg rolls, poppers. Maybe, oh snature like Paul's

598
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: got him locked a little. I'm trying to see if I, oh, Paul.

599
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: I know he's not allowing himself to be recorded, which

600
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: I still bothers me, but I'm not gonna leave that alone. Um.

601
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: Paul says in our ears, from from his mouth to

602
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: our ears, to your ears, that every dish at Applebee's

603
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: is a signature dish. Sure, Okay. What I'm thinking, at

604
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: least in my my traversings to Applebee's is the chicken

605
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: fingers with honey mustard as as an appetizer. Well, you

606
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: can also get the classic combo. I pulled up the

607
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: menu where you build your own sampler. Essentially, brisk get

608
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: case idea is an appetizer, which is crazy because that's

609
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: a meal. A case ida is a good meal, But yes,

610
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: it is. It is true. Let let Paul be our

611
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: Plato of Applebee's and you are Aristotle interpreting that, and

612
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: then we'll we'll figure out who the case he is

613
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: the agger Casey Later is that you know, I figured

614
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: out the perfect Applebee's appetizer, you guys, because it speaks

615
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: so loudly to apple to Applebee's. For me, what is it?

616
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: Breadsticks with Alfredo sauce. That sounds disgusting? What it's perfect?

617
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: I think we're just not high. That's probably a speak

618
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: for yourself. But right, so it is true though from

619
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: time to time, and this is the crazy tantalizing for

620
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: some people, irritating for other people, thing about the search

621
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: for Atlantism. Places like this, Every so often archaeologists and

622
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: historians do find stuff. They find hard evidence of things, right,

623
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: things like a swampy prehistoric city in coastal Spain, um

624
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: a suspicious undersea rock formation in the Bahamas. That's the one.

625
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: All might be sources for a potential genesis of the

626
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Atlantis story. Of these, of the site with the widest

627
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: acceptance is the Greek island of Santorini. Santorini santorini Um.

628
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: Ancient Thera was what it was called back in the day,

629
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: half submerged remnant of a volcano known as the caldera

630
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: Um created by the massive Second millennium BC volcanic eruption

631
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: which created a tsunami that could have really, you know,

632
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: hastened the collapse of the Minoan civilization. On Create Create,

633
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: get it a cret o. No, No, that horrible joke

634
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: paid off after the from before their commercial break or metastasized,

635
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: depending on whether you think that was chuckle worthy or cancerous. Ah,

636
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: all right, well here we are, like a good spinach

637
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: and art man, there there is I mean, you're absolutely right,

638
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, because people do continue to find things.

639
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: There's another real life place that has a lot in

640
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: common with the Atlantis myth and geographically could be something

641
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: that uh, people in Plato's time would have been aware of,

642
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: and that is a coastal city called Heli or Helik,

643
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: which is located on the Gulf of Corinth in Greece.

644
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: So it was and it's heyday the center of the

645
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: Acayan League and the Acaan League was like confederacy sorts

646
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: of twelve different cities. By the time Plato was coming

647
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: up in the game of philosophy, this city was already

648
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: hundreds of years old. Like Atlantis, it was wealthy, like Atlantis,

649
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: controlled the seas around it, and like Atlantis, it had

650
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: established colonies and other nearby areas like Italy. The residents,

651
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: like those of Mythic Atlantis, also worshiped Poseidon. For five

652
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: days December three seventy three b c e. Witnesses in

653
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: the area of this city noticed that vermin and other

654
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: small animals snakes in sex, mice and so on, were

655
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: leaving the coast and they were going to the mountains

656
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: that formed the southern border of the HLIC delta. And

657
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: you know, we all know what what a it is.

658
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: Modern seismologists have also noted that some animals do appear

659
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: to have a preternatural sense, a little bit of predictive

660
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: ability when it comes to imminent earthquakes and some of

661
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: that low level, low low rumble, that's not rumble, but

662
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: the movement that is occurring vibrations, Yeah, that are so

663
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: of such a low frequency, but it's just can be sensed.

664
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: And oddly enough, you know, we did look in this

665
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: into this little bit in earlier episodes, but oddly enough

666
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: we see tremendous anecdotal evidence that some animals can predict

667
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: the weather. Matt, you had the predict those disasters, Matt,

668
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: you had the most uh salient argument there with the

669
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: idea that they're very attuned to vibrations that maybe people ignore, right,

670
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: or maybe they can also sense barometric changes. Barometric is

671
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: where I'm interested. Yeah, I want to study that. I've

672
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: always wanted to. I've always wanted to get some more, uh,

673
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: some more research on people who can predict the weather

674
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: due to an injury flaring up. It's also probably a

675
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: pressure change. Yeah, yeah, I always thought that was a superpower.

676
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: I still do. If someone if someone who has kind

677
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: of a messed up leg tells me that a storm's

678
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: come in, I believe them. I'm going inside, you know

679
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm waiting outside for the first bolt

680
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: to hopefully that's very regular, to trust but verify. I

681
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: got you. I was just talking about hoping to get

682
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: struck by lightning. But yeah, let's keep going. Oh man,

683
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: I just want to know. I just want to see

684
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: if you'll get powers. I mean, I think surviving a

685
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: lightning strike is a superpower as well. You know more,

686
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: there are people have been struck by lightning multiple times.

687
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: I told you guys before about coach trip from from

688
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: my middle school will middle school science teacher coach trip

689
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: truck by lightning at least twice. Wait a minute, really

690
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: at least twice? I know. I remember one of them

691
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: when he was playing cards in his uh in his

692
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: dining room, lightning bolt came right down through the chandelier

693
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: and got him. It's because gambling is a sin and

694
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: and maybe that was it. Coach Tritt was the second time,

695
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: like asking That was the second time. I think the

696
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: first time was all on the field for was he

697
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: being a plato about this? Was he relaying a story

698
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: without first hand proof? No? This him Coach trip Did

699
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: I struck by light? And it was? He was like,

700
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: I got hit twice and I'm still here. Did you

701
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: believe them? I did well? I I mean that was

702
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: a middle school or do you have any like Powder

703
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: esque powers? You know? I didn't notice any, but he

704
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: certainly was no good at science. No, I I am,

705
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm not. I thought the story Powder was interesting, but

706
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: due to us some intense problems I have with the director,

707
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: I can't recommend the film. Oh yeah, that guy got

708
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: big time. Can't wait? Wait? Who should be? Who directed?

709
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: I forget his name? But he was found to have

710
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: been participating in a lot of molestation. I believe Victor

711
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: Salva also the creative mind behind Jeepers Creepers. Yep, and

712
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: uh convicted no child abuser, but studios kept working with him.

713
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: He kept Yeah, he actually kept going after being convicted

714
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: in nineteen for the abuse of children. And then made

715
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: powder and then I watched it and I loved it,

716
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: and I watched it again and again, and then made

717
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: Jeepers Creepers, which to be fair is I mean, to

718
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: be fair, it's it's pretty solid little horror horror flick. Yeah,

719
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: it's a It's set a record for the largest Labor

720
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: day box office opening never wow. So so anyway, where's

721
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: that flood when you need it? You know what I mean?

722
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: There we go, There we go. Where's Poseidon? And when

723
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: he needs to flood the studio? Well, let's go back

724
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: to Let's go back to this area, because so we

725
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: said three three BC, the small animals are starting to

726
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: leave the coast. And we have to also remember that again,

727
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: people of this age were just as smart as people

728
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: are today, and just as many problems, just as many

729
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: um good points to themselves as a community and as individuals.

730
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: But they were also much more in tune with the

731
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: natural world around them, you know what I mean? So

732
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: they would have recognized that animals were leaving in the

733
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: middle of the night. On that fifth day, a huge

734
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: earthquake struck the area. And then what happens when there

735
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: are earthquakes around the ocean, A tsunami came from the

736
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: Gulf of Corinth. In just a matter of minutes. According

737
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: to the accounts, the city of Jalika was overcome by

738
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: the sea and it's sank just the way that Plato

739
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: described Atlantis. It happened very quickly. Do you see what

740
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean, nol He explains everything, it seems to So

741
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: why let's look, let's look a little bit at the

742
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, the geography, and then let's also I don't know,

743
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: I think we we let's call this part of the

744
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: argument multiple Atlantis is Atlanta. So you've got the Gulf

745
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: of Corinth that has several factors that make it particularly

746
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 1: prone to these types of disasters. It is a hotbed

747
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: of tectonic plate activity. Um humans were big fans of

748
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: living there, and the three rivers that form the delta

749
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: also bring lots of silt deposits to cover things up. Right,

750
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: when something goes down gets covered over pretty easily. It's right,

751
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: and the research, you discovered ancient Helika after twelve years

752
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: of digging also found that UM, this ravage of nature

753
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: happened more than one time. UM. The attractiveness of the

754
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: area and its attendant destructiveness formed a cycle um where

755
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: humans established a city and then nature said no, thank you,

756
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: removed it, and then after enough time had passed, people

757
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: forgot what what what what the problem was? What went

758
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: so terribly wrong? And they built another city on top

759
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: of the old one. Yep. And they may not have

760
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: even known the older one was there. They may have

761
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 1: just said, this soil is great. Look how well everything grows.

762
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: It's so abundant. Why has no one built a city here?

763
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: Because I have an idea, Oh my gosh, I'm also

764
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: going to postulate that maybe they did. Remember, they just went,

765
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: We're going to build it better this time time. Yes,

766
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: this time will instead of huts of straw, will build

767
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: huts of wood, and then huts of brick, and we'll

768
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: see if this big bad wolf is real. And like

769
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: Coach Trent before his second lightning, you know, they they're like, well,

770
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, lightning doesn't strike twice exactly until it does.

771
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: That's a different god. That's zeus and they're like, we're

772
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: Poseidon folk. So archaeologists like like we've mentioned before, who

773
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: discovered a lead game. As they continued their investigation, they

774
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: found evidence of more lost cities in the ground. Underneath

775
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 1: that delta silt, they found cities from the Byzantine period

776
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: that ended in the fifteenth century CE R a d.

777
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: And then under that literally under that, they found a

778
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: ruined Roman city from between the second and fourth centuries.

779
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: And then under that that's where they found a leak

780
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: which was destroyed as we said in three seven three

781
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: b c E. But when they weren't expecting here is

782
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. I just want to set that up.

783
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: Continue please. Oh yeah, they they found an early or

784
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: ruined city from the Bronze Age. Now we're getting to

785
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: the age where we have to kind of approximate things.

786
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: They said this one was from around twenty hundred to

787
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: twenty three d b C. And then yes, they found

788
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: evidence of human civilization or some kind of habitation that

789
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: went even further back than that. We're talking Neolithic period.

790
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: And you know, if you're estimating, which again has been

791
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: said you have to, it would go back to twelve

792
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: thousand years ago. How crazy is that were you know,

793
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: we set up the scenario kind of jokingly that that

794
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: people would build a city here, then it would collapse,

795
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: we would forget as humans, so then build again. But

796
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: that is precisely what has has been happening there for

797
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: thousands of years. All at all, there are six distinct

798
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: that like, six distinct community have all been discovered at

799
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: this same spot. And they all rose, and they all fell,

800
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: and they all got buried by the rivers. And this

801
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: is the kind of stuff that makes a legend, right,

802
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: And this is where we this is where we leave

803
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: the episode today. Is it possible that Atlantis is a

804
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: mixture of myth and mis translations? I mean quite quite probably.

805
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: And the story is not over. The search for the

806
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: city continues. Uh. There's a guy who thinks he's found

807
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: the lost city in Spain a few years back, about

808
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: sixty miles in inland away from the coast. Uh. And

809
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: then of course, most recently in eighteen, a tech company

810
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: called Merlin Burrows when public and said they may have

811
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: found the lost city of Atlantis, and they think it's

812
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: off the coast of Spain near the near the Donana

813
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: National Park. They argue that they found the remains of

814
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: temples and towers that they date the material between ten

815
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve thousand years old, and they have some

816
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: computer representations you can see about this. Uh, it looks interesting,

817
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: almost looks Indonesian to me something, at least the representations

818
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: that they've placed online right right. And they call themselves

819
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: a land and Seat Merlin Boroughs that has calls itself

820
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: a land and sea search company specialized in finding forgotten

821
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: or hidden things. But if you read their press releases,

822
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: they're also quick to point out they have a documentary

823
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: on the horizon called Atlantica, which will put all the

824
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: questions to rest. Hey, yeah, maybe maybe maybe they've actually

825
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: figured it out. Maybe they have, Maybe they have. So

826
00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: Brian Dunning, who created the Skeptoid podcast UH, describes Atlantis.

827
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: He says, the myth of Atlantis is in the simplest

828
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: terms and Elvis sighting, and so he's looking at it

829
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: more of a pop culture thing. And he says, you know,

830
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: he talks about how people kept trying to keep Elvis alive.

831
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: And he says similarly, over the course of the two thousand,

832
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: almost five years since Plato wrote about Atlantis, and countless

833
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: people have tried to match his fiction to some actual

834
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: island or geographical structure. We already know the efforts from

835
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: Vain because he says Atlantis was never anything but an

836
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 1: allegorical device used briefly by a philosopher who made stuff

837
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: like this up all the time. And this is as

838
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: established a fact as is the death of Elvis Presley,

839
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: because we know that Plato did work with allegory a lot.

840
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: This is what I want to put to you, guys. Yeah, okay,

841
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to organize it in my head quickly

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Speaker 1: here before I go and three two, Okay, we're there.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys think that it is possible at all

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Speaker 1: that there was some kind of advanced civilization that existed

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Speaker 1: at one point on the Earth, even if it was

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Speaker 1: just very small. Let's just say, if we're going to

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Speaker 1: thought experiment um a base or a landing zone come

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Speaker 1: impaired two or similar to the way we visited the

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Speaker 1: Moon the first time during the Apollo missions, where we landed,

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Speaker 1: we're just in one area. It just kind of but

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Speaker 1: in this case it's extraterrestrials of some form. They're highly advanced.

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Speaker 1: They land on Earth just for a little bit to

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Speaker 1: do some exploration. Do you think there's a site or

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Speaker 1: there's a possibility that there is a site somewhere on

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Speaker 1: this Earth where that occurred. Well, that's the tricky thing.

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Speaker 1: There's allow you have to unpack an order to get there, right,

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Speaker 1: I would want clarification on what we mean by advanced

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Speaker 1: I would say, as far as an extra terrestrial site,

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Speaker 1: it it's tough because Earth is a living thing, and

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Speaker 1: it's a voracious living thing. It eats evidence. Um, you know.

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Speaker 1: One of the first arguments against that would be that

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Speaker 1: we don't see evidence of that in the fossil record

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Speaker 1: or historical record. One of the arguments for it would

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Speaker 1: be people saying we do, we just don't recognize what

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Speaker 1: we've found, right like like, So, to to answer the

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Speaker 1: question in short form, I believe it is absolutely possible,

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Speaker 1: depending depending on how we wanted to find advance to

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Speaker 1: believe it is absolutely possible that earlier undiscovered civilizations were around.

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Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely possible that humanity in terms of

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Speaker 1: uh socio political entity or civilization has earlier iterations that

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Speaker 1: we just haven't found because it's hard to find things

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Speaker 1: and it's very easy to lose them, you know. But

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Speaker 1: as far as extraterrestrials. I don't know if I'm willing

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Speaker 1: to know that far. I just think it's I think

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Speaker 1: it's an It takes a tremendous amount of hubris for

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Speaker 1: us to say we know for sure every law civilization.

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Speaker 1: But I mean Rome was an advanced civilization, you know,

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Speaker 1: compared comparatively for the time, you know, and we found

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Speaker 1: all of that. I mean, if I figured if I

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Speaker 1: left the big enough footprint to have made an impact, uh,

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Speaker 1: we would find something footprint versus time, right right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've got one more, one more thing to to ask

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Speaker 1: you guys, what if Atlantis was rather than an extraterrestrial civilization,

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Speaker 1: it was like an a sub terrestrial subterranean uh, Like Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's just say some other intelligent force that emerged from

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Speaker 1: the sea that came up and existed in some kind

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Speaker 1: of way in a vehicle for a long period of

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Speaker 1: time or were they base and then it eventually just

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Speaker 1: went back down into the ocean, like Eldritch forces of

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Speaker 1: some sort, maybe Eldridge, maybe you know something, some intelligence

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Speaker 1: that had been on this planet far before you know,

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Speaker 1: the evolution of our species. I don't know that it's

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Speaker 1: an interesting questions an interesting thought experiment. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to do with you, guys. We don't know a

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Speaker 1: lot about the subterranean depths. Really. A few years back,

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Speaker 1: several years back now, there was an expedition that we

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Speaker 1: applied to that said they were going to go to

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Speaker 1: Antarctica to try to discover the entrance to this huge

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Speaker 1: cavern system that they believed existed. People who will argue

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Speaker 1: for the quote unquote kind of hollow earth theory will

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Speaker 1: typically um more science based arguments will say not that

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Speaker 1: the entirety of the Earth is hollow, but that there

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Speaker 1: are vast caverns and systems that could house uh, thriving ecosystems. Right,

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Speaker 1: so I could see that, uh, I would say also

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Speaker 1: to illustrate how little we know about the world before us.

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Speaker 1: Remember when we did the episode on the early mixtapes

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Speaker 1: of Man right and Yeah and Dennis Ovans and Neanderthal.

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Speaker 1: This year there was a new species of ancient human discovered. Yeah, Yes,

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Speaker 1: waited in the Philippines, Homo los ninsis, and it is uh.

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Speaker 1: It's a small body homin in similar to the Homo florenzis,

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Speaker 1: and lived at least fifty thousand and sixty seven thousand

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Speaker 1: years ago. Also turns out Homo erectus persisted in Java

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Speaker 1: as recently as a hundred thousand years ago, tangentially related.

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Speaker 1: The main reasons I bring it up here because A

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Speaker 1: it's really fascinating, and B. I think it is a

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Speaker 1: fantastic illustration of how little we know about again, the

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Speaker 1: civilizations that preceded our own, or the people in the

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Speaker 1: world's you know, incredible, incredibly weird. You have to wonder

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Speaker 1: how long it's going to take our civilization to disappear.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what from now, years years. Give me

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Speaker 1: a break. I mean, you know, one thing we can

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Speaker 1: say for sure is that on the timeline of history,

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Speaker 1: of all the history of the universe, we are but

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Speaker 1: a spec and uh may not be quite as important

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Speaker 1: as we think. So let's hold on to all we

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Speaker 1: got it, guys, All right, let's do it. So, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about Atlantis? Tell us You can

928
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Speaker 1: find us in all the places we are on Twitter

929
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Speaker 1: as at Conspiracy Stuff. On Instagram, we are a conspiracy

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Speaker 1: Stuff show. You can write directly to us individually if

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Speaker 1: you like. You can find me ex lusively on Instagram

932
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Speaker 1: at how Now Noel Brown. If I am around by

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Speaker 1: the time this episode comes out, you can find me

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Speaker 1: at bimbole and on Instagram at bimbole and hs W

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Speaker 1: one Twitter. I will be around, but I will not

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Speaker 1: see anything you sent to me, and you can find

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Speaker 1: me Matt Frederick underscore, I heart cool. That's the one.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't want to do that stuff, you

939
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Speaker 1: can hang out on our Facebook page. Here's where it

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Speaker 1: gets crazy. We've got a really great group of people

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Speaker 1: over there, from the people that run it to you

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Speaker 1: who are on there right now. I can see you specifically,

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Speaker 1: you just chatting about all kinds of fun things, um

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Speaker 1: about not quantizing beats. So it's a fun little conversation

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Speaker 1: actually logged into and talked about, like commented and read

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Speaker 1: for a little bit. Wait, I missed that one. I

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Speaker 1: liked your comment. I would just I thought it was fun. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm a real beat head man. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe that I missed down on that. Well, it was

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Speaker 1: a Rick and Morty reference where it was I think

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Speaker 1: it's Morty, I forget exactly what it was, referencing a

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Speaker 1: recent UM episode, and then yeah, yeah, it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: the you can turn back now. It was the stuff

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Speaker 1: about the intro music on the thread right, which people

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Speaker 1: people love. People are on the same page about the

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Speaker 1: intro view. But the meme itself was so beautiful and

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Speaker 1: it made me so happy because it just says you

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Speaker 1: can turn back now ding dong or learn um or

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Speaker 1: you can turn back now or learn ding dong the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. And then Morty's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you son of a bitch, you got me so bit

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Speaker 1: I mean. And for the Bakst episode, check that out, um,

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Speaker 1: and we we won't change the intro because uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I I love that we've kept the same thing. A

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of shows rework their intros, but

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Speaker 1: that music is amazing. I do want to add I

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Speaker 1: do want to add everybody listening, especially for listening this

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Speaker 1: when it comes out before we close the show. It's

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Speaker 1: not necessarily my strong suit saying this sort of stuff,

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Speaker 1: but you and everyone you know and care about you

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Speaker 1: all deserve a pad on the back and a high

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Speaker 1: five because it's official. If you're listening now, you made

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Speaker 1: it to and that's nothing to sneeze at. You know,

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Speaker 1: you earned it. I know a lot of people felt

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Speaker 1: like they were limping to the finish line. But none

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Speaker 1: of that matters. Go you go team, Let's make it

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Speaker 1: to Yeah, go team. Go get yourself a Gatorade or

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Speaker 1: a Powerade. If you don't have access to gatorade, orange slices,

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Speaker 1: bread sticks, Alfredo sauce, and if your coach trip, have

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Speaker 1: your teammates pour that bucket of gatorade all over your body.

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Speaker 1: Stick of the stick a fork in a in a

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Speaker 1: socket and don't don't. Don't do that unless you want

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Speaker 1: to feel something you know to to the family of

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Speaker 1: Coach Tritt, I don't know if if he's still around,

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Speaker 1: but I hope he is. He's probably been struck dead

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Speaker 1: by lightning. No, I hope he's still around. Coach. If

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Speaker 1: you're out there listening and someone sends us to you,

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Speaker 1: I do appreciate that class, but I do feel like

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Speaker 1: I knew a lot more about science than you I

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Speaker 1: thought you were gonna say. I feel like I know

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Speaker 1: a lot more about science before I took your class. No, No,

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Speaker 1: he was really cool and nice, just science wasn't. He

993
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Speaker 1: was in the wrong position. They were doing him wrong. Attwell, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think that's it right. It's a good old fashioned email.

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