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Speaker 1: on the show all this hard. You've seen him on Leverage,

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Speaker 1: is amazing. It's really great watching you because there's a

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Speaker 1: it's it's a difference when you are the man when

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Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? Um? I mean for me,

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Speaker 1: have this responsibility then tell character and to call this

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Speaker 1: man's legacy. So you know me and for me, that

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Speaker 1: ANSWERCE Project, the CIP. He's still that's public speaking nationwide, worldwide,

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Speaker 1: like he's still living in his purpose. And that's what

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Speaker 1: So we need to walk in that anonymously. And that

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Speaker 1: with But you look good bearing it. You look good

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Speaker 1: bearing it. But you look good bearing it. But you

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Speaker 1: know now that it exists. Age discrimination exists. So you're

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Speaker 1: in the Great Movie. I saw it myself. Um cried

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