WEBVTT - 9. I Ain't A Snitch 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.320 So it's not exactly clear how they figured it out. 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:08.560 But on September second, twenty twenty, activists who identify as 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:16.279 Colorado Springs Antifa accuse Mickey of being an informant. Mickey's 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.600 exposed in a Twitter thread. The account for Colorado Springs 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:24.239 Antifa posts photos of Mickey and warrants everyone that he's 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:28.480 a suspected informant. It reads be careful around this dude. 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.320 Probably wise not to let him in your protest space. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.800 To be clear, this Twitter thread doesn't offer any specific 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:40.320 evidence that Mickey is an informant. So I contact Colorado 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.040 Springs Antifa, and after jumping through a series of hoops 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.680 to confirm my identity, I end up on an encrypted 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.440 phone call with one of their members. I don't record 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.400 the conversation he asked me not to, and he won't 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.560 give me his name, real cloak and dagger stuff. He 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.800 tells me that while they don't have proof, they have 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.920 a lot of suspicions. He says they believe Mickey played 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.720 a part in the investigation of activists in Colorado Springs, 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:08.200 the investigation you heard about in the last episode. By 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.520 this time, Mickey is deeply embedded in the Denver Racial 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.720 Justice movement. He's at the front of protests, he's going 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.840 to meetings, he's making plans, and what people in Denver 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:23.280 don't know is the FBI is paying him thousands of 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:28.880 dollars cash every few weeks. So, as you can imagine, 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.560 like anyone whose livelihood is being threatened, Mickey's not going 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:36.640 to take this kind of online rumor lying down. So 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.480 just hours after the Twitter outing, Mickey records a video 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:49.320 Good Evening or good Morning. It's September third, two and twenty, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.400 roughly about three o'clock in the morning. In the video, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.559 Mickey is sitting at a table. There's the red flag 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.280 of the Kurdistan Workers Party behind him, and leaning against 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.880 the wall is an AAR fifteen style assault rifle. Mickey's 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.800 holding a cigar. On the table in front of him 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:10.720 is a ball peen hammer and a full bottle of 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:16.280 Jack Daniels. And Mickey doesn't mince words. This propaganda shit 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.880 you guys posted doesn't mean fuck all to me, but 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.800 understand this. I would be a polite and professional, but 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.880 I have a plan to kill everybody in the fucking 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.280 room of me to be. Mickey posts the video to 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:33.320 YouTube and it quickly circulates among Denver's racial justice protesters. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:39.919 Mickey insists he's not an informant. If you're trying to 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.720 implicate that I'm a fucking snitch, check this out. Three things. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.200 I ain't a punk, I am a bitch, and I 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:50.200 am a fucking snitch. You should ask who the real 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.880 fucking punk er bitches or who the real fucking snitches. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.280 I'm Trevor Aaronson from Western Sound and I Heeart podcasts. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:21.920 This is Alphabet Boys, episode nine. I in as Niche. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.680 We'll get to this bizarre video with Mickey in a bit, 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.040 but for the moment, I want to take you back 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.840 again to the last week of August twenty twenty. A 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.040 lot happens this week. This is the same week that 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.880 Mickey's hyping up demonstrations have become full scale attacks on 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:53.320 police buildings. I can't hear you. This is also the 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.240 week Mickey takes zeb Hall in Bryce Shelby to lunch 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.480 at a famous Dave's Barbecue restaurant. Ze won't commit to 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.520 any attack or plan, but Bryce suggests they should pursue 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:08.840 a plot to assassinate Colorado Attorney General Bill Wiser. Generals 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:13.080 your target a few days later, Mickey introduces Bryce to 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:19.559 Red and undercover FBI agent Juice, and Red and Bryce 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.440 drive the Wiser's house. Red suggests they could hire a 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.080 hitman for five or six hundred dollars. You know, it's 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.520 going to call something to put it together. All I'm saying, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:34.880 what are we looking at? Figure whys five Seclent books. Yeah. 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.640 Bryce knows that's not enough money for a hit like that, 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:42.839 And besides, he's all talk. He's not interested, not really, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.039 So he ghosts Red and Mickey doesn't return any of 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.240 their calls or text messages. Okay, now the stuff I 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.159 haven't told you about. A couple of days after Mickey 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.640 puts Red onto Bryce, Mickey arranges to meet Zeb at 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.840 a sporting goods store that sells firearms, a Bass Pro 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.719 shop in Denver. He's asked Zeb to buy him a gun, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:08.039 and Zeb, having seen Mickey with lots of guns, doesn't 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.680 think what Mickey's asking him to do is a big deal. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.600 But yeah, it is a big deal. Okay. The date 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:22.039 today is Thursday, August twenty seventh, at approximately two forty 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:27.280 seven pm with Special Agent Scott Dulstrom and Special Agent 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:37.240 Byron Mitchell with HS meeting with Zebidias Hall. Mickey meets 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.760 with his FBI agent handler and gets a recording device. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.880 He then drives about ten minutes to the bass Pro shop. 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.599 Sitting in the parking lot and smoking a cigar, Mickey 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:51.240 sees Zeb walking towards the store with a woman. I 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:57.159 think that's his girlfriend or chick. Mickey is communicating with 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.520 the FBI agents who are watching the live feed, so 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.960 it just a heads up zebra diass I think the 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:08.560 grosher scoreforn. Mickey then puts on his face mask, the 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.279 black one with the Punisher logo and the Kurdish flag 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.120 Peshmerga it reads on one side of the mask and 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:19.799 he goes into the bass Pro shop. Mickey walks past 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.760 a waterfall pouring into a giant fish tank. This bass 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:28.440 Pro shop has a gigantic aquarium full of freshwater fish. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.719 Mickey is in the middle of the store casting around 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:36.480 for zeb. Just then a salesman comes up to him, 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.480 like the TATSI you got, Franklin, Yeah, did they tell 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:46.599 you about the Mickey just keeps walking. He's looking for Zeb. 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:51.880 My life really, you know. But after about five minutes 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.880 of searching, Mickey can't find his target. In the cavernous store. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.239 He tries to call him, but Zeb doesn't answer his phone. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.640 Mickey then talk to the FBI agents who are watching 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.240 the live feed. He's in the store somewhere, but I 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.040 don't know where. It's like literally playing hide and go 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:15.040 fuck myself. Mickey gets a call. His ringtone is a 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:21.840 motorcycle engine revving. It's Zeb. Hello, Hello, thank you. Yeah, 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.120 I'm holing up stairs right now. I'm not even upstairs, bro, 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:25.920 I'm like literally walk around the store like hide and 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:31.440 go fuck myself. I can't even find you. Okay, I'm going. 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.080 I'm actually by this. Just take I'm going upstairs in 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.240 the elevator right now. This is coming to elevator because 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.960 the fire arms upstairs. Okay, I'll be up there in 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:46.119 a second. All right, good bye. Mickey finally finds Zeb 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.760 and he's with a friend named Sarah. Mickey uses a 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.200 low voice so no one nearby can hear. So you 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:59.800 like a forty five, Yeah, chrome, a K forty seven 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.280 buying no one near pistols. Fine, that's all I mean. 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:07.360 But you know clean because I wasn't cash walking up 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.720 their show. Mickey tells Zeb the kind of gun he 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.320 wants and he makes clear that he can't beat anywhere 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:18.200 near Zeb when he's buying the firearm, because that's gonna 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.000 look weird, like, oh yeah, hey, here's here's the and 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.840 they're gonna be like, what the fuck you have saw? 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.320 All right? So, because you know, they ask me, and 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.560 then they're like, well and now all a sudden they 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.600 know that I'm a feloney, it's gonna fuck everything out. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.439 What Mickey says, right then likely isn't an accident. He 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.679 reminds Zeb that he's a felon, and it's illegal for 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.920 a felon to have a gun. It's illegal to buy 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:49.200 a gun for a felon. What's happening here is Zeb 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.760 is acting as what's called a straw buyer. What Mickey 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.800 says is designed to help build a criminal case, to 0:08:55.920 --> 0:09:01.000 demonstrate intent, to show that Zeb knows Mickey's a I'm 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:02.920 so okay, So we'll give you the cash, all right, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:07.000 Mickey Henzeb fifteen hundred dollars. I'm gonna go wander off 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:13.280 sort of spaces. Everything seems to be going exactly the 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:25.319 plan more after the break, So Mickey's given fifteen hundred 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.600 dollars in cash to Zeb to buy him a gun, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.800 and he's walked out of the Bass Pro shop. About 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:37.040 fifteen minutes later, Zeb and his friend Sarah walk outside 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:41.160 as well. They're standing by the front door. Zeb tells 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.679 Mickey that he needs to grab his car registration for 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.600 the background chap, and he tells Mickey that he selected 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:55.120 a gun. Yeah, but it's alive Crystal. Yeah. I think 0:09:55.120 --> 0:10:02.720 he's like smith and smiths Smith. Listen. Yeah, you're too small. 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.080 Zeb's friend Sarah makes a nervous joke and says it's 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.400 too small for my hand. I mean your hands are 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.959 too small for the weapon. You're saying. Yeah, it was 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:17.720 about saying O small was bad. I'm gonna okay, yeah, 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.600 all right. After Zeb gets his car registration and he 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.600 and Sarah go back into the Bass Pro shop, Mickey 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:28.920 walks over to his hearse in the parking lot. The 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:33.880 weapons too small for her hands? Oh my god, yeah, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:40.600 like fucking midget hands. Mickey then calls Scott Dahlstrom, his 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:51.480 FBI handler. Right, Hey, so what's going on here? Standing 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.480 here staring at the fucking tree? Okay, kids are things 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.040 going in and out? So we have we saw you 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.560 walk out with them. We could be here very well. Um, 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.440 why so he walked out the store? Why did you 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:02.800 walk out and go back in? He had to go 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:08.959 and get his registration to show through the residence. Oh yeah, okay, 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:14.480 so his girlfriend, uh uh, let's telling me that, uh, 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.640 the gun was too small for her hands. I like 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.839 your hands and too small for the Yeah, yeah, that's 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:27.320 why I've heard that. Yeah no, yeah, am I sounded 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:32.280 clear on it? Now? Um, we're wig it's a lag 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.880 but yeah, no, it's fine. Now, it's just the connection 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.880 of that. It's recording the connection. It's just that, Okay, 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.960 forgot it all right. About fifteen minutes pass and Zeb 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.840 finds Mickey in the parking lot, standing near his hearse 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:52.200 pretty goddamn fast. So what do they say? Goodground? Did 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:57.880 it look good? Yeah? So that's one STEP's background check 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.720 comes back tomorrow, the store will let him pick up 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.720 the gun, and then Zeb's planning to give that gun 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.400 to Mickey. He said that he was a felon, that 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.079 he couldn't have a gun. But if you have all 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.600 these guns in your car and you're you're known to 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.120 walk around with them, you know, how could you have? 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.120 And then you know, I'm like, okay, you know I 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:23.319 didn't understand. Zeb says he found the whole situation confusing 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.560 and was surprised to find himself buying a gun for Mickey. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.600 And the thing is before all that I never would 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.720 have bought a gun for anybody, and I just didn't understand, 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.920 and I think I lacked a lot of confidence, and 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.000 I was scared a lot of things that were going on. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.920 The next day, the background check comes back clean, and 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.920 Bass Pro Shop called Zeb he can pick up the gun, 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.280 so Zeb arranges to meet Mickey and Mickey, as usual, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.080 first meets with his FBI agent handler to obtain a 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.200 recording device. Mickey's parked just hearse outside of barbershop in Denver. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.000 He's waiting for Zeb. The Fuji's cover of Killing Me 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:20.480 softly plays on the stereo to tell Mickey's plan is 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.600 to have Zeb come up to the driver's side window 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.359 and hand him the gun. So we call Scott Dualstrom, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.720 the FBI agent, to make sure the camera angle is clear. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.800 He real quick, can you see my window pretty clear? 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:40.320 Tell me where I'm like? Automatic? Okay, cool, right, got it? 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:44.120 Thank you, goodbye. A couple of minutes later, Mickey gets 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:49.200 a text from Dhlstrom, the message can't be seen, but 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.560 based on Mickey's response, I suspect the agent reminds him 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.720 about the proper way to handle the gun as evidence. 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:59.600 Mickey looks down as the camera a little annoyed. Come off, Well, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:04.840 I'm not new do this. That was Mickey spitting out 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:08.800 of the car. I already know I'm want to play 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:13.839 with it, look at it, lick it, touch it inappropriately, 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:22.280 smell it violated. About five minutes later, Ze pulls in 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.880 and he's trying to find a parking spot. Mickey hollers 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.000 at him through the open passengers side window. Yeah, just farm. 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.080 You make it look like we're trying to invade the 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:43.040 Finicon or something. Yeah, you're good, but don't ask Rod Stewarts. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.920 Do you think I'm sexy? Plays on the car stereo. 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.760 Zeb walks up to Mickey's pastors side window. That, of 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.720 course won't work for the FBI since their camera is 0:14:54.760 --> 0:15:00.400 facing the driver's side window on this side. Yeah, come 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.120 on the other side. On the other side, I got 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:10.640 like guns to sh Sorry, I gotta the ship shit 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.560 on the other side. Now. Zeb can be seen on 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.880 the FBI camera. He's wearing a black tshirt and he's 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.760 standing outside the driver's side door of Mickey's hearse Zeb 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.080 hand's Mickey the gun in its case, just like it 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.360 came from the store, and he put fancy hill stickers 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.920 on his bitch. That's nice? Is it cool? And nice? 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:37.120 Want to night? Let me what I know. After this 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.560 transaction with the gun, Zeb tells Mickey that he's strapped 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.800 for cash. Zeb says he needs money for first aid 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.240 supplies to care for demonstrators who get wounded by Denver 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.120 cops during the next protest. So Mickey gives Zeb one 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:57.120 hundred bucks and in about a week things will get wild. 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.720 A group of Antifa activists and Colorado Springs will post 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:15.920 a Twitter thread alleging that Mickey's an informant. Colorado Springs 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.520 Antifa post its Twitter thread on September second, twenty twenty, 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:24.640 accusing Mickey of being an informant. Mickey then sends the 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.520 anti fascist group a direct message offering a failed thread. 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.080 The anti fascist group posts a screenshot of Mickey's message 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.080 on Twitter as well. That's kind of fucked up that 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.840 you assumed without hitting me up and asking what's up? 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.640 Mickey writes, But I found out who Colorado Springs Antifa 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.720 is and I'm going to be dealing with them soon. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.920 They might make the news. As the Twitter thread makes 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:53.160 the rounds, people immediately start talking. They're outraged. Here's that Paul, 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.560 and you know you heard through different groups. You kick 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.200 his ass on the site. Fuck him, don't let him 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.520 round the groups. This is an early September twenty and 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.280 by this point, so many people have been called informants, 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.640 Trey Mickey, some of the activists from the Young Democratic 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.080 Socialists of America, even ZEB. I think that's why I 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:13.160 got the snitch jacket as will, you know, because people 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.400 thought I was an informant, you know. And I think 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.400 a lot of other black and brown and even very white, 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:25.040 you know, either either leaders or allies, comrades, accomplices, whatever 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:26.840 you want to call them, you know, they got caught 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.119 up as well. There's so much suspicion of everyone that 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:35.320 it seems plausible that Mickey's being falsely accused. So Mickey 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.080 gathers ZEB and his y DSA allies in the apartment 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:43.120 in Denver, the one with the PKK flags. Yeah, I 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:47.960 was there, and it was just one of the most 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.600 fucked up situations I could ever imagine. Mickey has an 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.800 idea he'll record a video that responds to the allegations 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.800 that he's an informant. They put up a military flag 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:02.800 or whatever country he was at. You know, behind him 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.840 he had a cigar and he was like acting all 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.359 tough and shit. Who's throwing a low key threats like 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:14.320 he regularly did. Good evening or good morning. It's September 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:18.000 the third. In the video, there's that assault rifle leaning 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.000 up against the wall with a ball peen hammer and 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.399 a bottle of whiskey on the table. Mickey's wearing a 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:28.560 black tshirt that fits snugly around the shoulders and biceps. 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.879 On the shirt is a square image that's half American flag, 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:37.800 half Kurdish flag, and there's a punisher logo. The full 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:44.320 video runs about eight minutes. Mickey is angry. So there's 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.240 a group that or an individual that's claiming that they 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:51.520 are Antifa Colorado Springs, and in fact that that I 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.840 believe that they are actually not Antifa Colorado Springs, because 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.760 I believe they are actually a cop I for one, 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:04.920 have not amused or pleased about the fuckery that's going on. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.479 I will clarify some things and I'm going to address 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:13.000 some some things real fucking quick, and this is not scripted. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.480 Mickey goes on a tangent here about how he's a 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.040 battlehart and Peesh Murga fighter before getting back on track. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:26.080 You can hide behind an anonymous website and an anonymous 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.480 profile talking all that shit about I'll tell him to 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.760 his face, No, you won't, because at the end of 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.800 the day, you come to me, I got something for you. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.320 Mickey picks up the hammer. I am the type of 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.959 individual I don't give a fuck about going to prison. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.960 I don't give a fuck about getting killed because, believe me, 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:49.439 I've fought Isis or Dash. I've fought Al Kayeeda, I 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:54.640 fought hubble Shabi, I fought in Iraq, and I fought 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:59.560 in Syria. I've trained real Antifa freedom fighters in both 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:04.679 those regions. And I am certainly not fucking scared of you. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.080 I don't give a fuck about the cops, and I 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.520 don't care about the police. But I will tell this 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.920 to you right now, at the end of the day, 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:18.760 I do not agree nor accept fascism. I do not 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.760 accept an agree oppression. That's what I fought against and 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:26.880 that's what I'm still fighting against. But I understand this. 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.439 If you come to me fucked up. I'm gonna fuck 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:39.159 you up. Play stupid games when stupid prizes. This propaganda 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.600 shite you guys post it doesn't mean fuck all to me. 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:44.919 If you're trying to implicate that I'm a fucking snitch, 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.479 check this out three things. I ain't a punk, I 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.600 am a bitch, and I in a fucking snitch. You 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:54.920 should ask who the real fucking punk er bitches or 0:20:54.960 --> 0:21:00.840 who the real fucking snitches. It's a care fully choreographed 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:06.240 message full of bravado. Mickey's a talented liar. It's hard 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:10.199 to sense his desperation under all the chest thumping, but 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:15.040 the video doesn't stop all the whispers about Mickey. The 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:17.960 challenge Mickey faces and trying to preserve his cover is 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.680 that anyone accused of being a snitch will say I 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.480 in a snitch, So how can you possibly know who's 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.840 telling the truth. Two days later, Mickey tries to get 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.119 ahead of the story with the help of the y 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.760 DSA activists who are still enamored with him. Mickey records 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.360 a Q and a video on Twitter. More than one 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.480 thousand people of view it live. It's posted to Mickey's 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:44.840 Twitter account, His user name is and no I'm not 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:50.720 joking here, it's isis killer Kitten. The video begins with Honor, 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.000 one of the y DSA activists, asking Mickey a question 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:58.480 and why are you doing this to get the truth. 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:02.840 In her interview, Mickey answers questions from Honor about his 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:06.840 long criminal record, which is feeding suspicions among activists that 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.000 he could be working for the police. Do you regard 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:15.879 your criminal history? Yeah, yeah, I definitely do, you know. 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.720 I mean, it made me who I am in some ways, 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:24.280 but reality, yeah, I wish I could go back. Yeah. 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.160 In particular, activists have raised a lot of questions about 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:31.560 Mickey's sex crime, which, as he might remember, Mickey pleaded 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:35.920 down to misdemeanor third degree sexual assault when he was twenty. 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:38.480 He had sex with a fourteen year old, but claimed 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:42.120 he didn't know the girl was under age. Mickey tries 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:45.439 to address the concerns. Can you describe your reaction to 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:53.800 the recent discussion of your sexual assault charge so I 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:59.200 can regroup dating, fucking It's been talked about so many times, 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.000 and the thing is it was a fucked up situation, 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.840 which I personally say, you know, I did some stupid 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.639 ship first admitted believing, so you wouldn't say that you 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:15.119 have any sort of a pattern of repeated sexual violence reviews. No, No, 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.159 it's if I did, I'm sure I would not be 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:24.520 setting here, you know, drinking whiskey, smoked a cigar out 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:29.320 in public. If I was a sexual prediture. There are 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:34.480 sexual creditors that do look pretty freely though. Oh yeah, absolutely, 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:35.920 And I think personally they should get a bullet the 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:39.480 fucking head. This goes on for a bit with Mickey 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.760 describing how he's misunderstood and I was really an ally 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.280 to the racial justice movement. Then Honor asked a question 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:49.320 about his role in that movement. Do you see yourself 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:53.240 as any sort of leader in the protest? No, I 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.159 don't want to be. I want to be a fucking 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:57.560 leader at the end of the day, Look, lu tay 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:02.320 something out of these people. And I'm not trying to 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:06.080 sound mean, but a lot. Nothing's been fucking done. Nothing's 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.600 been fucking done, no cost. I've been fired, There's been 0:24:09.640 --> 0:24:15.000 no restitution, no apologies, there's been no court cases, there's 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.240 been no punishment, there's been no changes of policy. We 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.240 got people, more people living on the fucking streets. We 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:26.680 got black people still being fucking killed in Kenosha, California. Fuck. 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:28.920 I could go on for hours, all the fucking places. 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.520 That's just the ship that we've seen on camera. And 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:36.400 at the end of the day, No, I don't find 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.840 myself as a leader because in reality, I'm not the 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:42.400 leader type like that. I can't sit there and say, oh, yeah, 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:44.800 I'm totally a leader because here's the thing, and this 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:48.000 is what I'm I look at is I can't sit 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:53.199 there and say that I'm a fucking leader because at 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:55.040 the end of the day, I'm not a black man, 0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.640 I'm not a black woman, I'm not a transgender, I'm 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:04.920 not gay, I'm not by, I'm not pansexual. I have 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:09.160 no room to fucking lead anything. But it's something fucks 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:12.920 with you. I'm there to defend you. I'm an ally. 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:16.159 That's it. Honestly, I don't think in reality, and I 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:18.439 know it's gonna sounds kind of sucked up in maybe racist. 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:20.440 I don't think a white man or a white woman 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:25.040 should be speaking on black matters. Show them support, but 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.600 shut the fuck up and let them talk. Black lives 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:33.480 do matter. It's their business. At this point. Aiden another 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:37.960 y DSA activist takes over for honor. So there have 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:42.720 been a number of people online recently who have been 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:48.160 labeling you a snitch or informant or narc or otherwise. 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:51.920 What do you have to say to them? And about that? Okay, yeah, 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:55.160 so anybody had been around pretty much? How many times 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:58.600 have my name been on court paperwork arrest? After David 0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:02.160 to zero. Here's the thing for you, if you've ever 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:04.879 been in the fucking legal system, just ask for emotion 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:08.000 to discovery. It gives you all the information of the case. 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.359 It'll say confidential format, It'll say blah blah, blah blah. 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.120 I will say this. Then then you can actually read 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:15.480 how they've got the charge to be fought against you. 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:19.760 And I'll bet you my name. I'll bet you my 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.120 motherfucking balls. Becau says, everybody wants to be on my dick. 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.960 I'll bet you my car, whatever you want, my name 0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:31.520 is on it. None of that ship. That's a bad 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.879 bet for Mickey to make, because, as he's saying this, 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:39.240 Mickey's name is on dozens of reports inside the FBI's 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:43.760 den for office, but no one knows that yet. The 0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:48.600 two primary hy DSA activists who unwittingly helped Mickey our 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:53.600 Honor and Aiden. I call Honor first. Hello, Hi, it 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:57.200 makes meet the Honor please ye. Hey, my name is 0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.320 Trevor Aaronson. So the reason I'm calling is I'm doing 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:03.560 a story about a guy named Mickey Windecker and his 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:07.080 work with the FBI, and you know, I ended up 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.639 getting copies of recordings and reports, and you were named 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:12.680 as one of the people that you know, he was 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:17.800 essentially spying on. Honor hangs up on me, so I 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.600 call Aiden. Your name came up in some of the 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.399 files as someone that Mickey was spying on, So I 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.960