Speaker 1: So it's not exactly clear how they figured it out.
Speaker 1: But on September second, twenty twenty, activists who identify as
Speaker 1: Colorado Springs Antifa accuse Mickey of being an informant. Mickey's
Speaker 1: exposed in a Twitter thread. The account for Colorado Springs
Speaker 1: Antifa posts photos of Mickey and warrants everyone that he's
Speaker 1: a suspected informant. It reads be careful around this dude.
Speaker 1: Probably wise not to let him in your protest space.
Speaker 1: To be clear, this Twitter thread doesn't offer any specific
Speaker 1: evidence that Mickey is an informant. So I contact Colorado
Speaker 1: Springs Antifa, and after jumping through a series of hoops
Speaker 1: to confirm my identity, I end up on an encrypted
Speaker 1: phone call with one of their members. I don't record
Speaker 1: the conversation he asked me not to, and he won't
Speaker 1: give me his name, real cloak and dagger stuff. He
Speaker 1: tells me that while they don't have proof, they have
Speaker 1: a lot of suspicions. He says they believe Mickey played
Speaker 1: a part in the investigation of activists in Colorado Springs,
Speaker 1: the investigation you heard about in the last episode. By
Speaker 1: this time, Mickey is deeply embedded in the Denver Racial
Speaker 1: Justice movement. He's at the front of protests, he's going
Speaker 1: to meetings, he's making plans, and what people in Denver
Speaker 1: don't know is the FBI is paying him thousands of
Speaker 1: dollars cash every few weeks. So, as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: like anyone whose livelihood is being threatened, Mickey's not going
Speaker 1: to take this kind of online rumor lying down. So
Speaker 1: just hours after the Twitter outing, Mickey records a video
Speaker 1: Good Evening or good Morning. It's September third, two and twenty,
Speaker 1: roughly about three o'clock in the morning. In the video,
Speaker 1: Mickey is sitting at a table. There's the red flag
Speaker 1: of the Kurdistan Workers Party behind him, and leaning against
Speaker 1: the wall is an AAR fifteen style assault rifle. Mickey's
Speaker 1: holding a cigar. On the table in front of him
Speaker 1: is a ball peen hammer and a full bottle of
Speaker 1: Jack Daniels. And Mickey doesn't mince words. This propaganda shit
Speaker 1: you guys posted doesn't mean fuck all to me, but
Speaker 1: understand this. I would be a polite and professional, but
Speaker 1: I have a plan to kill everybody in the fucking
Speaker 1: room of me to be. Mickey posts the video to
Speaker 1: YouTube and it quickly circulates among Denver's racial justice protesters.
Speaker 1: Mickey insists he's not an informant. If you're trying to
Speaker 1: implicate that I'm a fucking snitch, check this out. Three things.
Speaker 1: I ain't a punk, I am a bitch, and I
Speaker 1: am a fucking snitch. You should ask who the real
Speaker 1: fucking punk er bitches or who the real fucking snitches.
Speaker 1: I'm Trevor Aaronson from Western Sound and I Heeart podcasts.
Speaker 1: This is Alphabet Boys, episode nine. I in as Niche.
Speaker 1: We'll get to this bizarre video with Mickey in a bit,
Speaker 1: but for the moment, I want to take you back
Speaker 1: again to the last week of August twenty twenty. A
Speaker 1: lot happens this week. This is the same week that
Speaker 1: Mickey's hyping up demonstrations have become full scale attacks on
Speaker 1: police buildings. I can't hear you. This is also the
Speaker 1: week Mickey takes zeb Hall in Bryce Shelby to lunch
Speaker 1: at a famous Dave's Barbecue restaurant. Ze won't commit to
Speaker 1: any attack or plan, but Bryce suggests they should pursue
Speaker 1: a plot to assassinate Colorado Attorney General Bill Wiser. Generals
Speaker 1: your target a few days later, Mickey introduces Bryce to
Speaker 1: Red and undercover FBI agent Juice, and Red and Bryce
Speaker 1: drive the Wiser's house. Red suggests they could hire a
Speaker 1: hitman for five or six hundred dollars. You know, it's
Speaker 1: going to call something to put it together. All I'm saying,
Speaker 1: what are we looking at? Figure whys five Seclent books. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Bryce knows that's not enough money for a hit like that,
Speaker 1: And besides, he's all talk. He's not interested, not really,
Speaker 1: So he ghosts Red and Mickey doesn't return any of
Speaker 1: their calls or text messages. Okay, now the stuff I
Speaker 1: haven't told you about. A couple of days after Mickey
Speaker 1: puts Red onto Bryce, Mickey arranges to meet Zeb at
Speaker 1: a sporting goods store that sells firearms, a Bass Pro
Speaker 1: shop in Denver. He's asked Zeb to buy him a gun,
Speaker 1: and Zeb, having seen Mickey with lots of guns, doesn't
Speaker 1: think what Mickey's asking him to do is a big deal.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is a big deal. Okay. The date
Speaker 1: today is Thursday, August twenty seventh, at approximately two forty
Speaker 1: seven pm with Special Agent Scott Dulstrom and Special Agent
Speaker 1: Byron Mitchell with HS meeting with Zebidias Hall. Mickey meets
Speaker 1: with his FBI agent handler and gets a recording device.
Speaker 1: He then drives about ten minutes to the bass Pro shop.
Speaker 1: Sitting in the parking lot and smoking a cigar, Mickey
Speaker 1: sees Zeb walking towards the store with a woman. I
Speaker 1: think that's his girlfriend or chick. Mickey is communicating with
Speaker 1: the FBI agents who are watching the live feed, so
Speaker 1: it just a heads up zebra diass I think the
Speaker 1: grosher scoreforn. Mickey then puts on his face mask, the
Speaker 1: black one with the Punisher logo and the Kurdish flag
Speaker 1: Peshmerga it reads on one side of the mask and
Speaker 1: he goes into the bass Pro shop. Mickey walks past
Speaker 1: a waterfall pouring into a giant fish tank. This bass
Speaker 1: Pro shop has a gigantic aquarium full of freshwater fish.
Speaker 1: Mickey is in the middle of the store casting around
Speaker 1: for zeb. Just then a salesman comes up to him,
Speaker 1: like the TATSI you got, Franklin, Yeah, did they tell
Speaker 1: you about the Mickey just keeps walking. He's looking for Zeb.
Speaker 1: My life really, you know. But after about five minutes
Speaker 1: of searching, Mickey can't find his target. In the cavernous store.
Speaker 1: He tries to call him, but Zeb doesn't answer his phone.
Speaker 1: Mickey then talk to the FBI agents who are watching
Speaker 1: the live feed. He's in the store somewhere, but I
Speaker 1: don't know where. It's like literally playing hide and go
Speaker 1: fuck myself. Mickey gets a call. His ringtone is a
Speaker 1: motorcycle engine revving. It's Zeb. Hello, Hello, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm holing up stairs right now. I'm not even upstairs, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm like literally walk around the store like hide and
Speaker 1: go fuck myself. I can't even find you. Okay, I'm going.
Speaker 1: I'm actually by this. Just take I'm going upstairs in
Speaker 1: the elevator right now. This is coming to elevator because
Speaker 1: the fire arms upstairs. Okay, I'll be up there in
Speaker 1: a second. All right, good bye. Mickey finally finds Zeb
Speaker 1: and he's with a friend named Sarah. Mickey uses a
Speaker 1: low voice so no one nearby can hear. So you
Speaker 1: like a forty five, Yeah, chrome, a K forty seven
Speaker 1: buying no one near pistols. Fine, that's all I mean.
Speaker 1: But you know clean because I wasn't cash walking up
Speaker 1: their show. Mickey tells Zeb the kind of gun he
Speaker 1: wants and he makes clear that he can't beat anywhere
Speaker 1: near Zeb when he's buying the firearm, because that's gonna
Speaker 1: look weird, like, oh yeah, hey, here's here's the and
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, what the fuck you have saw?
Speaker 1: All right? So, because you know, they ask me, and
Speaker 1: then they're like, well and now all a sudden they
Speaker 1: know that I'm a feloney, it's gonna fuck everything out.
Speaker 1: What Mickey says, right then likely isn't an accident. He
Speaker 1: reminds Zeb that he's a felon, and it's illegal for
Speaker 1: a felon to have a gun. It's illegal to buy
Speaker 1: a gun for a felon. What's happening here is Zeb
Speaker 1: is acting as what's called a straw buyer. What Mickey
Speaker 1: says is designed to help build a criminal case, to
Speaker 1: demonstrate intent, to show that Zeb knows Mickey's a I'm
Speaker 1: so okay, So we'll give you the cash, all right,
Speaker 1: Mickey Henzeb fifteen hundred dollars. I'm gonna go wander off
Speaker 1: sort of spaces. Everything seems to be going exactly the
Speaker 1: plan more after the break, So Mickey's given fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: dollars in cash to Zeb to buy him a gun,
Speaker 1: and he's walked out of the Bass Pro shop. About
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes later, Zeb and his friend Sarah walk outside
Speaker 1: as well. They're standing by the front door. Zeb tells
Speaker 1: Mickey that he needs to grab his car registration for
Speaker 1: the background chap, and he tells Mickey that he selected
Speaker 1: a gun. Yeah, but it's alive Crystal. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: he's like smith and smiths Smith. Listen. Yeah, you're too small.
Speaker 1: Zeb's friend Sarah makes a nervous joke and says it's
Speaker 1: too small for my hand. I mean your hands are
Speaker 1: too small for the weapon. You're saying. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: about saying O small was bad. I'm gonna okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. After Zeb gets his car registration and he
Speaker 1: and Sarah go back into the Bass Pro shop, Mickey
Speaker 1: walks over to his hearse in the parking lot. The
Speaker 1: weapons too small for her hands? Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: like fucking midget hands. Mickey then calls Scott Dahlstrom, his
Speaker 1: FBI handler. Right, Hey, so what's going on here? Standing
Speaker 1: here staring at the fucking tree? Okay, kids are things
Speaker 1: going in and out? So we have we saw you
Speaker 1: walk out with them. We could be here very well. Um,
Speaker 1: why so he walked out the store? Why did you
Speaker 1: walk out and go back in? He had to go
Speaker 1: and get his registration to show through the residence. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so his girlfriend, uh uh, let's telling me that, uh,
Speaker 1: the gun was too small for her hands. I like
Speaker 1: your hands and too small for the Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why I've heard that. Yeah no, yeah, am I sounded
Speaker 1: clear on it? Now? Um, we're wig it's a lag
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, it's fine. Now, it's just the connection
Speaker 1: of that. It's recording the connection. It's just that, Okay,
Speaker 1: forgot it all right. About fifteen minutes pass and Zeb
Speaker 1: finds Mickey in the parking lot, standing near his hearse
Speaker 1: pretty goddamn fast. So what do they say? Goodground? Did
Speaker 1: it look good? Yeah? So that's one STEP's background check
Speaker 1: comes back tomorrow, the store will let him pick up
Speaker 1: the gun, and then Zeb's planning to give that gun
Speaker 1: to Mickey. He said that he was a felon, that
Speaker 1: he couldn't have a gun. But if you have all
Speaker 1: these guns in your car and you're you're known to
Speaker 1: walk around with them, you know, how could you have?
Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm like, okay, you know I
Speaker 1: didn't understand. Zeb says he found the whole situation confusing
Speaker 1: and was surprised to find himself buying a gun for Mickey.
Speaker 1: And the thing is before all that I never would
Speaker 1: have bought a gun for anybody, and I just didn't understand,
Speaker 1: and I think I lacked a lot of confidence, and
Speaker 1: I was scared a lot of things that were going on.
Speaker 1: The next day, the background check comes back clean, and
Speaker 1: Bass Pro Shop called Zeb he can pick up the gun,
Speaker 1: so Zeb arranges to meet Mickey and Mickey, as usual,
Speaker 1: first meets with his FBI agent handler to obtain a
Speaker 1: recording device. Mickey's parked just hearse outside of barbershop in Denver.
Speaker 1: He's waiting for Zeb. The Fuji's cover of Killing Me
Speaker 1: softly plays on the stereo to tell Mickey's plan is
Speaker 1: to have Zeb come up to the driver's side window
Speaker 1: and hand him the gun. So we call Scott Dualstrom,
Speaker 1: the FBI agent, to make sure the camera angle is clear.
Speaker 1: He real quick, can you see my window pretty clear?
Speaker 1: Tell me where I'm like? Automatic? Okay, cool, right, got it?
Speaker 1: Thank you, goodbye. A couple of minutes later, Mickey gets
Speaker 1: a text from Dhlstrom, the message can't be seen, but
Speaker 1: based on Mickey's response, I suspect the agent reminds him
Speaker 1: about the proper way to handle the gun as evidence.
Speaker 1: Mickey looks down as the camera a little annoyed. Come off, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not new do this. That was Mickey spitting out
Speaker 1: of the car. I already know I'm want to play
Speaker 1: with it, look at it, lick it, touch it inappropriately,
Speaker 1: smell it violated. About five minutes later, Ze pulls in
Speaker 1: and he's trying to find a parking spot. Mickey hollers
Speaker 1: at him through the open passengers side window. Yeah, just farm.
Speaker 1: You make it look like we're trying to invade the
Speaker 1: Finicon or something. Yeah, you're good, but don't ask Rod Stewarts.
Speaker 1: Do you think I'm sexy? Plays on the car stereo.
Speaker 1: Zeb walks up to Mickey's pastors side window. That, of
Speaker 1: course won't work for the FBI since their camera is
Speaker 1: facing the driver's side window on this side. Yeah, come
Speaker 1: on the other side. On the other side, I got
Speaker 1: like guns to sh Sorry, I gotta the ship shit
Speaker 1: on the other side. Now. Zeb can be seen on
Speaker 1: the FBI camera. He's wearing a black tshirt and he's
Speaker 1: standing outside the driver's side door of Mickey's hearse Zeb
Speaker 1: hand's Mickey the gun in its case, just like it
Speaker 1: came from the store, and he put fancy hill stickers
Speaker 1: on his bitch. That's nice? Is it cool? And nice?
Speaker 1: Want to night? Let me what I know. After this
Speaker 1: transaction with the gun, Zeb tells Mickey that he's strapped
Speaker 1: for cash. Zeb says he needs money for first aid
Speaker 1: supplies to care for demonstrators who get wounded by Denver
Speaker 1: cops during the next protest. So Mickey gives Zeb one
Speaker 1: hundred bucks and in about a week things will get wild.
Speaker 1: A group of Antifa activists and Colorado Springs will post
Speaker 1: a Twitter thread alleging that Mickey's an informant. Colorado Springs
Speaker 1: Antifa post its Twitter thread on September second, twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: accusing Mickey of being an informant. Mickey then sends the
Speaker 1: anti fascist group a direct message offering a failed thread.
Speaker 1: The anti fascist group posts a screenshot of Mickey's message
Speaker 1: on Twitter as well. That's kind of fucked up that
Speaker 1: you assumed without hitting me up and asking what's up?
Speaker 1: Mickey writes, But I found out who Colorado Springs Antifa
Speaker 1: is and I'm going to be dealing with them soon.
Speaker 1: They might make the news. As the Twitter thread makes
Speaker 1: the rounds, people immediately start talking. They're outraged. Here's that Paul,
Speaker 1: and you know you heard through different groups. You kick
Speaker 1: his ass on the site. Fuck him, don't let him
Speaker 1: round the groups. This is an early September twenty and
Speaker 1: by this point, so many people have been called informants,
Speaker 1: Trey Mickey, some of the activists from the Young Democratic
Speaker 1: Socialists of America, even ZEB. I think that's why I
Speaker 1: got the snitch jacket as will, you know, because people
Speaker 1: thought I was an informant, you know. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of other black and brown and even very white,
Speaker 1: you know, either either leaders or allies, comrades, accomplices, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call them, you know, they got caught
Speaker 1: up as well. There's so much suspicion of everyone that
Speaker 1: it seems plausible that Mickey's being falsely accused. So Mickey
Speaker 1: gathers ZEB and his y DSA allies in the apartment
Speaker 1: in Denver, the one with the PKK flags. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was there, and it was just one of the most
Speaker 1: fucked up situations I could ever imagine. Mickey has an
Speaker 1: idea he'll record a video that responds to the allegations
Speaker 1: that he's an informant. They put up a military flag
Speaker 1: or whatever country he was at. You know, behind him
Speaker 1: he had a cigar and he was like acting all
Speaker 1: tough and shit. Who's throwing a low key threats like
Speaker 1: he regularly did. Good evening or good morning. It's September
Speaker 1: the third. In the video, there's that assault rifle leaning
Speaker 1: up against the wall with a ball peen hammer and
Speaker 1: a bottle of whiskey on the table. Mickey's wearing a
Speaker 1: black tshirt that fits snugly around the shoulders and biceps.
Speaker 1: On the shirt is a square image that's half American flag,
Speaker 1: half Kurdish flag, and there's a punisher logo. The full
Speaker 1: video runs about eight minutes. Mickey is angry. So there's
Speaker 1: a group that or an individual that's claiming that they
Speaker 1: are Antifa Colorado Springs, and in fact that that I
Speaker 1: believe that they are actually not Antifa Colorado Springs, because
Speaker 1: I believe they are actually a cop I for one,
Speaker 1: have not amused or pleased about the fuckery that's going on.
Speaker 1: I will clarify some things and I'm going to address
Speaker 1: some some things real fucking quick, and this is not scripted.
Speaker 1: Mickey goes on a tangent here about how he's a
Speaker 1: battlehart and Peesh Murga fighter before getting back on track.
Speaker 1: You can hide behind an anonymous website and an anonymous
Speaker 1: profile talking all that shit about I'll tell him to
Speaker 1: his face, No, you won't, because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you come to me, I got something for you.
Speaker 1: Mickey picks up the hammer. I am the type of
Speaker 1: individual I don't give a fuck about going to prison.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about getting killed because, believe me,
Speaker 1: I've fought Isis or Dash. I've fought Al Kayeeda, I
Speaker 1: fought hubble Shabi, I fought in Iraq, and I fought
Speaker 1: in Syria. I've trained real Antifa freedom fighters in both
Speaker 1: those regions. And I am certainly not fucking scared of you.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about the cops, and I
Speaker 1: don't care about the police. But I will tell this
Speaker 1: to you right now, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I do not agree nor accept fascism. I do not
Speaker 1: accept an agree oppression. That's what I fought against and
Speaker 1: that's what I'm still fighting against. But I understand this.
Speaker 1: If you come to me fucked up. I'm gonna fuck
Speaker 1: you up. Play stupid games when stupid prizes. This propaganda
Speaker 1: shite you guys post it doesn't mean fuck all to me.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to implicate that I'm a fucking snitch,
Speaker 1: check this out three things. I ain't a punk, I
Speaker 1: am a bitch, and I in a fucking snitch. You
Speaker 1: should ask who the real fucking punk er bitches or
Speaker 1: who the real fucking snitches. It's a care fully choreographed
Speaker 1: message full of bravado. Mickey's a talented liar. It's hard
Speaker 1: to sense his desperation under all the chest thumping, but
Speaker 1: the video doesn't stop all the whispers about Mickey. The
Speaker 1: challenge Mickey faces and trying to preserve his cover is
Speaker 1: that anyone accused of being a snitch will say I
Speaker 1: in a snitch, So how can you possibly know who's
Speaker 1: telling the truth. Two days later, Mickey tries to get
Speaker 1: ahead of the story with the help of the y
Speaker 1: DSA activists who are still enamored with him. Mickey records
Speaker 1: a Q and a video on Twitter. More than one
Speaker 1: thousand people of view it live. It's posted to Mickey's
Speaker 1: Twitter account, His user name is and no I'm not
Speaker 1: joking here, it's isis killer Kitten. The video begins with Honor,
Speaker 1: one of the y DSA activists, asking Mickey a question
Speaker 1: and why are you doing this to get the truth.
Speaker 1: In her interview, Mickey answers questions from Honor about his
Speaker 1: long criminal record, which is feeding suspicions among activists that
Speaker 1: he could be working for the police. Do you regard
Speaker 1: your criminal history? Yeah, yeah, I definitely do, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it made me who I am in some ways,
Speaker 1: but reality, yeah, I wish I could go back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In particular, activists have raised a lot of questions about
Speaker 1: Mickey's sex crime, which, as he might remember, Mickey pleaded
Speaker 1: down to misdemeanor third degree sexual assault when he was twenty.
Speaker 1: He had sex with a fourteen year old, but claimed
Speaker 1: he didn't know the girl was under age. Mickey tries
Speaker 1: to address the concerns. Can you describe your reaction to
Speaker 1: the recent discussion of your sexual assault charge so I
Speaker 1: can regroup dating, fucking It's been talked about so many times,
Speaker 1: and the thing is it was a fucked up situation,
Speaker 1: which I personally say, you know, I did some stupid
Speaker 1: ship first admitted believing, so you wouldn't say that you
Speaker 1: have any sort of a pattern of repeated sexual violence reviews. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's if I did, I'm sure I would not be
Speaker 1: setting here, you know, drinking whiskey, smoked a cigar out
Speaker 1: in public. If I was a sexual prediture. There are
Speaker 1: sexual creditors that do look pretty freely though. Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I think personally they should get a bullet the
Speaker 1: fucking head. This goes on for a bit with Mickey
Speaker 1: describing how he's misunderstood and I was really an ally
Speaker 1: to the racial justice movement. Then Honor asked a question
Speaker 1: about his role in that movement. Do you see yourself
Speaker 1: as any sort of leader in the protest? No, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be. I want to be a fucking
Speaker 1: leader at the end of the day, Look, lu tay
Speaker 1: something out of these people. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: sound mean, but a lot. Nothing's been fucking done. Nothing's
Speaker 1: been fucking done, no cost. I've been fired, There's been
Speaker 1: no restitution, no apologies, there's been no court cases, there's
Speaker 1: been no punishment, there's been no changes of policy. We
Speaker 1: got people, more people living on the fucking streets. We
Speaker 1: got black people still being fucking killed in Kenosha, California. Fuck.
Speaker 1: I could go on for hours, all the fucking places.
Speaker 1: That's just the ship that we've seen on camera. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, No, I don't find
Speaker 1: myself as a leader because in reality, I'm not the
Speaker 1: leader type like that. I can't sit there and say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm totally a leader because here's the thing, and this
Speaker 1: is what I'm I look at is I can't sit
Speaker 1: there and say that I'm a fucking leader because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I'm not a black man,
Speaker 1: I'm not a black woman, I'm not a transgender, I'm
Speaker 1: not gay, I'm not by, I'm not pansexual. I have
Speaker 1: no room to fucking lead anything. But it's something fucks
Speaker 1: with you. I'm there to defend you. I'm an ally.
Speaker 1: That's it. Honestly, I don't think in reality, and I
Speaker 1: know it's gonna sounds kind of sucked up in maybe racist.
Speaker 1: I don't think a white man or a white woman
Speaker 1: should be speaking on black matters. Show them support, but
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up and let them talk. Black lives
Speaker 1: do matter. It's their business. At this point. Aiden another
Speaker 1: y DSA activist takes over for honor. So there have
Speaker 1: been a number of people online recently who have been
Speaker 1: labeling you a snitch or informant or narc or otherwise.
Speaker 1: What do you have to say to them? And about that? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so anybody had been around pretty much? How many times
Speaker 1: have my name been on court paperwork arrest? After David
Speaker 1: to zero. Here's the thing for you, if you've ever
Speaker 1: been in the fucking legal system, just ask for emotion
Speaker 1: to discovery. It gives you all the information of the case.
Speaker 1: It'll say confidential format, It'll say blah blah, blah blah.
Speaker 1: I will say this. Then then you can actually read
Speaker 1: how they've got the charge to be fought against you.
Speaker 1: And I'll bet you my name. I'll bet you my
Speaker 1: motherfucking balls. Becau says, everybody wants to be on my dick.
Speaker 1: I'll bet you my car, whatever you want, my name
Speaker 1: is on it. None of that ship. That's a bad
Speaker 1: bet for Mickey to make, because, as he's saying this,
Speaker 1: Mickey's name is on dozens of reports inside the FBI's
Speaker 1: den for office, but no one knows that yet. The
Speaker 1: two primary hy DSA activists who unwittingly helped Mickey our
Speaker 1: Honor and Aiden. I call Honor first. Hello, Hi, it
Speaker 1: makes meet the Honor please ye. Hey, my name is
Speaker 1: Trevor Aaronson. So the reason I'm calling is I'm doing
Speaker 1: a story about a guy named Mickey Windecker and his
Speaker 1: work with the FBI, and you know, I ended up
Speaker 1: getting copies of recordings and reports, and you were named
Speaker 1: as one of the people that you know, he was
Speaker 1: essentially spying on. Honor hangs up on me, so I
Speaker 1: call Aiden. Your name came up in some of the
Speaker 1: files as someone that Mickey was spying on, So I
Speaker 1: was wondering if you'd be willing to talk to me
Speaker 1: a little bit about him. No, I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about that. Are you sure you're not in trouble in
Speaker 1: any way? Where are those files? The FBI files? So
Speaker 1: they're not public? They were they were leaked to me.
Speaker 1: There there FBI internal files. I'm not interested in talking
Speaker 1: about any of this. I don't want my name involved
Speaker 1: with any of this. I don't have any knowledge of anything.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm trying to stay as far away from this
Speaker 1: as possible, and I don't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it at all, since
Speaker 1: Honor and Aiden didn't cooperate with me, and because they
Speaker 1: have not been charged with a crime as a result
Speaker 1: of Mickey's activity, I'm not using their last names here
Speaker 1: at some point, and I don't know exactly why, since
Speaker 1: they won't talk to me about it. Honor and Aiden
Speaker 1: wised up and abandoned Mickey. The y DSA activists believe
Speaker 1: quote the FEDS were watching. According to an FBI internal report,
Speaker 1: there's one activist who came around to this realization very slowly.
Speaker 1: Zeb Hall was there in the apartment as Mickey recorded
Speaker 1: the videos, and it was there that things stopped making sense.
Speaker 1: He didn't buy all of Mickey's explanations. Mickey made a
Speaker 1: bunch of threats, suggesting to Zeb that maybe Mickey has
Speaker 1: something to hide. Days earlier, Zeb had bought Mickey a gun,
Speaker 1: And now for the first time he has suspicions about Mickey.
Speaker 1: It really was starting to become evident at that point
Speaker 1: for me when that came out. Then, you know, finally
Speaker 1: out about his like you thought at that point that
Speaker 1: it was possible he was an informant. I felt that
Speaker 1: he probably more than like it was. And then what
Speaker 1: are you thinking about the fact that a lot of
Speaker 1: a gun At that point, I'm fucked. Yeah, Zep's fucked.
Speaker 1: That's in the next episode. This is Trojan Hearse, Season
Speaker 1: one of Alphabet Boys. Alphabet Boys is a production of
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