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Speaker 1: I'm Trevor Aaronson from Western Sound and I Heeart podcasts.

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Speaker 1: This is Alphabet Boys, episode nine. I in as Niche.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to this bizarre video with Mickey in a bit,

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Speaker 1: again to the last week of August twenty twenty. A

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Speaker 1: I've fought Isis or Dash. I've fought Al Kayeeda, I

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Speaker 1: If you come to me fucked up. I'm gonna fuck

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Speaker 1: check this out three things. I ain't a punk, I

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Speaker 1: joking here, it's isis killer Kitten. The video begins with Honor,

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Speaker 1: Mickey's sex crime, which, as he might remember, Mickey pleaded

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Speaker 1: And I think personally they should get a bullet the

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Speaker 1: describing how he's misunderstood and I was really an ally

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