1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome into Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday the 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Road Forward. A word of hope and encouragement for you 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: and those you love, especially in these challenging times. I'm 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: doctor Tim Clinton. I'll be your host our special guest 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: joining this week. He's the founder and chairman of the 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Faith in Freedom Coalition. Ralph Read is with us. She 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: represented Minnesota's sixth Congressional District in the United States House 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: of Representatives for eight years. Currently serves as dean of 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: the Robertsons School of Government at Regent University. Michelle Bachman 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: is back with us. She is a clinical and forensic psychologist, 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: trauma and addictions expert. Doctor Shawn A. Anderson is with 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: us and she is a best selling author, speaker, podcaster. 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: How do You? Saint John is back with us. Thanks 14 00:00:38,880 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: for watching Christ's Worthy This week. We were reminded of 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: the horrific and evil attack on Israel two years ago 16 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: October seventh, twenty twenty three, and the need for resolve, 17 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: including bringing home the rest of the hostages. We stand 18 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: with Israel and we shall never forget that there is 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: no place in our world for violence and terror like 20 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: we witnessed there Benjamin Netanyahoo, Prime Minister of Israel, said 21 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: we paid a very painful price. Infants, children and elderly 22 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: people were brutally and horrifically murdered by Hamas Terras. Two 23 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one men and women were abducted into 24 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: the terror tunnels of the Gaza Strip. Well, faith is 25 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: back in America, a faith surge really, and everyone is 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: talking about God right now. What a wonderful thing. In 27 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: the aftermath of the horrific assassination of TPUSA leader Charlie Kirk. 28 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: TPUSA events are continuing, Virginia Tech, Utah State University packing 29 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: the places out. This week they were at Montana State University. 30 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: It's quite moving, really, and church attendance is on the rise. 31 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: People are asking will faith shape America's next chapter? I 32 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: think so, hey, when you look at social media and 33 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: what's happening in Chicago, Portland and other cities. Though, Americans 34 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: continue to be concerned and fearful about potential acts of 35 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: violence and terrorism in their communities, and again, rightfully so, 36 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: people are also wondering, too, what about this government shutdown 37 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: and when is it going to end? The Schumer shutdown 38 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: is looking pretty bad for the Dems. Every day new 39 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: poll Americans want Democrats to end the shutdown. Seventy percent 40 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: oppose the government shut down. Sixty five percent say Democrats 41 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: should accept the republican clean, non partisan resolution. Fifty five 42 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: percent say Democrats are just trying to please their base. 43 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: As a result, we're seeing nationwide flight disruptions and the 44 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: FAA is warning of state shortages. Hey, in times like these, 45 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 1: our hope, our strength, it always comes from the Lord. 46 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: Here's a great verse to hold on to this week, 47 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: Evisian six, verses ten through twelve. Finally, be strong in 48 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the 49 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: full armor of God, so that you can take your 50 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggles not against 51 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 1: flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against authorities, against 52 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: the powers of this dark world, against the spiritual forces 53 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: of evil and heavenly places. And I want to pray 54 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: and ask God to guide us our program today. God 55 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: be with us. I pray a special blessing over this broadcast. 56 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: Use it for your glory. Thank you for your faithfulness. God, 57 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: even in the midst of these dark times, you are 58 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: with us. And it's to that end I pray in Jesus' name. Amen, 59 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: let's get started. 60 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim 61 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X we love feeling part 62 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: of your. 63 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: Life Join us. NOIL is conservative political activist Ralph Reid. 64 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: He's the founder and chairman of Faith in Freedom Coalition. 65 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: He's offered several best selling books, as columns have appeared 66 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: in New York Times, Wall Street Journal, National Review, many more. Ralph, 67 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: welcome back, Thank you for joining me. 68 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 3: Thank you Tim. Always a pleasure, Ralph. 69 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: We're in the middle of this government shut down thing. 70 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: The Dems. I think they're looking worse by the day. 71 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: I saw a new poll that came out this week. 72 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: Seventy percent opposed the government shut down. Sixty five percent 73 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: say Democrats should accept the Republicans kind of clean, nonpartisan 74 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: continuing resolution. Ralph. People, you know, when thanks drag out 75 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: like this, it gets a little confusing. People are like, 76 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: what in the world really is happening and why why 77 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: can't they get to a resolution. We've been down this 78 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: road before, Ralph, But what are your thoughts on where 79 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: we're at right now? 80 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 3: Well, generally, you know, I've been through multiple shutdowns, you know, 81 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: going all the way back to the famous or infamous 82 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: ninety five ninety six shutdown, which, frankly, you know, Tim 83 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: probably cost us the White House in nineteen ninety six. 84 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: The most recent ones were twenty thirteen when we shut 85 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: it down because we were trying to defund Obamacare, then 86 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, and now this one when they're trying to 87 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 3: get more funding for Obamacare. So a lot of this, 88 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: to be clear, has been policy disputes, and shutting down 89 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: the government was a way to kind of increase the 90 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 3: pain on the other side in the hopes of getting 91 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: policy concessions that you otherwise wouldn't get because you're in 92 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 3: the minority. That was the case for us in twenty thirteen. 93 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: We didn't have the votes to repeal Obamacare, but we 94 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 3: were trying to do it by shutting the government down. Tim. 95 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 3: It didn't work, then it's not going to work now. 96 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 3: And let's be clear about what's going on here. We 97 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 3: warned everybody in two thousand and nine and ten when 98 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: Obamacare was passed that his promise that if you wanted 99 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: to keep your doctor, you could, that it would be affordable, 100 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: that premiums were not going to go up, was all alive, 101 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: and that's exactly what's happened. So when Biden won in 102 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, the first thing they did to try and 103 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: shore Obamacare up because the premiums aren't affordable on the exchanges. 104 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 3: Tim this is government run healthcare with lots of mandates, 105 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: it's very expensive. We warned them not to do that, 106 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 3: but because of their friends and the unions, they tried 107 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: to create these Cadillac plans, you know, for their constituency, 108 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 3: and the result is they're unaffordable. So when Biden got 109 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: in to try and save it, they created these additional 110 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: they call them tax credits. They're really just subsidies to 111 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: insurance companies so that people can afford their premiums. And 112 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: I think we should not cave on this. We should 113 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: not cave on a program that does not work, that 114 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: is not affordable. We need to create a more humane 115 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: and carrying an affordable alternative. You know, Preventive care policies 116 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: get people on high risk pools, with people with previous conditions. 117 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: We don't want anybody to be denied healthcare. But there's 118 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: a better way, and this is a huge opportunity for us. 119 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: But we cannot cave on the issue. Of massive taxpayer 120 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: subsidies on top of massive taxpayer spending on a broken system. 121 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw where the FFA or flights are being delayed, etc. 122 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: This thing's going to start getting a little bit more 123 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: public and painful. Presidents can use some tariff money to 124 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: help solve some things on the other side. It's interesting, Ralph, 125 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: ale's all going to play out. Hey, let's jump to 126 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: Israel real quick this week October seventh, second anniversary of 127 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: what took place on that day in twenty twenty three. 128 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: Ralph horrific evil Hamas terrorizing Israel. Here we are with 129 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: the situation right now over there, this peace plan. Where 130 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: do you see this thing? At? Ralph? I know the 131 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: deep love you have for Israel. You've been there many times. 132 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: You stand strong with Israel. Take us down this road together. 133 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: Well, you know, look, I give the President an enormous 134 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 3: amount of credit for doing everything he can do in 135 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: this conflict and do it in ways that will disarm 136 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: Hamas and make sure that Hamas has no governing authority 137 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 3: in Gaza ever again. Right and for me, you know, Tim, 138 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: those are my markers. I have visited those kibbutz's. I 139 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: have visited the music festival grounds, the Nova Music Festival 140 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: grounds where most of the people lost their lives and 141 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: were taken hostage. Yeah, I've walked through the streets into 142 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: the houses in Kafarasa, which was one of the kibbutz's 143 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 3: where people were not only murdered and raped and decapitated 144 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: and hacked to death, but were burned alive in their 145 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: safe rooms. You know, many of these neighborhoods or kibbutzes, 146 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: they had safe rooms that the terrorists couldn't break into 147 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 3: and breach. So what they did was they just poured 148 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 3: gasolene and tires on top of the houses and just 149 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: burned these people alive. These people are sick, they're genocidal terrorists. 150 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 3: And if there's a way to get all the hostages 151 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: dead or alive out and make sure that Hamas has 152 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: no authority in Gaza ever again and is disarmed, I'm 153 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: for that. I am not for anything that allows Hamas 154 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: to remain armed or play any role in any governing 155 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 3: authority in Gaza or anywhere else in the future. And 156 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: for me, this is not political, it's personal. But I 157 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: give the President and his team enormous credit and we 158 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: need to pray for them and a hope that we 159 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: can have a cease fire and ultimately piece again, a 160 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: just piece, a righteous piece, not a surrender to hamas 161 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: we can't have that. 162 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: Tim Ralph Reid. Always great to have you. Thank you 163 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: for joining me. 164 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, Tim. 165 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: Coming up next. She represented Minnesota's sixth Congressional District in 166 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: the United States House of Representatives for eight years. 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She 197 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: was the very first Republican woman from Minnesota elected into 198 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: the US House of Representatives, where she served four congressional terms. 199 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: She's the author of the wrestling book corp A Conviction. 200 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: She now serves as dean of the Robertson School of 201 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: Government at Regent University in Virginia Beach. Michelle, welcome, thank 202 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: you for joining us. 203 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 4: Great to be back with you too, Michelle. 204 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: As we get started. Over the weekend, you and I 205 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: along with a number of brothers, we were in Dender 206 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: for the memorial service for doctor James C. Dobson. I 207 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: was reflecting just for a moment, Michelle, about this has 208 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: been quite a year. We've had a number of lions, 209 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: if you will, of the faith go on to be 210 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: with the Lord, John MacArthur, Vodie Bachman k Arthur, Charlie Kirk, 211 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: but doctor James Dobson, and what a service it was. Michelle. 212 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: I know you serve on the board for Family Talk, 213 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to get some reflections from you 214 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: about doctor dobbson his life and that service. 215 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 4: Well. 216 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 5: As you know, he loved you, Tim, Doctor Dobson loved 217 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 5: you and appreciated you so much, and he really defined 218 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 5: our generation. I'm so grateful to have him. I was 219 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 5: a very young mother, a young woman even before a 220 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 5: children were born. When I first started listening to him. 221 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 5: He changed the trajectory of my family, of our children's lives, 222 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 5: and he did that that was replicated in family after family, 223 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 5: and I think for his generation. My opinion is that 224 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 5: other than doctor Billy Graham, no one had more influence 225 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 5: on the generation than doctor James Dobson. 226 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 4: He was a profound influence for. 227 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 5: The Lord, for life, for public policy, for the god 228 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 5: spull being transmitted, for discipleship. He stood for all the 229 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 5: right things. And I thank God for the salt and 230 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 5: light that was his life. 231 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 4: And you knew him up until the very end of 232 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 4: his life. 233 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 5: To him, as did I, and he was still engaged 234 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 5: and active. 235 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 4: God put into him. 236 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 5: The spirit of a lion that he just he was 237 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 5: never going to stop. He was high intellect and high 238 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 5: biblical faith, but so much fun, so down to earth, 239 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 5: probably one of the most humble people you'd ever meet. 240 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 5: And he is what you saw, what you heard on 241 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 5: the radio, that is who He was. 242 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 4: Very loving, wonderful man. 243 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 5: And he got great tributes from his two children, his 244 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 5: adult children, Denay and Ryan. 245 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 4: They said that our father was always there for us. 246 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 5: In fact, Denay said, he installed a private phone in 247 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 5: his office so that my mom, his wife Shirley, and 248 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 5: my brother and I we could call him anytime. And 249 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 5: literally we call him during a board meeting or whenever 250 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 5: it was for any reason, and he would take the 251 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 5: call because he wanted his children to know that they 252 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 5: were always first, as he wanted surely to know that. 253 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 4: And Ryan said the same thing. 254 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 5: Boy, if my children will say that of me at 255 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 5: the end of my life, I will die a happy woman. 256 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 5: So I'm just so proud of doctor Dobson, his ministry, 257 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 5: what he accomplished. And both you and I knowed him 258 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 5: that the Lord said to this wonderful, beautiful man, well done, 259 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 5: good and faithful servant. 260 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: Indeed, Michelle, you know, there's so many stories around doctor 261 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: Dobson and so many strong statements, but I remember one 262 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: in particular, Michelle. We were in a board meeting. I 263 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: don't can't remember why we were there, but it was 264 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: brand new, the brand new boardroom of Focus on the 265 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: Family when they moved to Colorado Springs. Number of religious 266 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: leaders around the room, and he looked at everyone in 267 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: the room and paused for a moment and then kind 268 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: of teared up quite a bit, and he said these words, 269 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: we need to pray that the church would have wake 270 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: and take a rightful place. He said, until then, parachurch 271 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: organizations like Focus on the Family have to exist and 272 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: stand in the gap. But he said, the real power 273 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: is in the church, the people of God coming along. 274 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: And Michelle, that was always his mantra. It was about 275 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: the Gospel and the people of God coming together to 276 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: stand strong if you will, for the family, but for 277 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: righteousness and culture and so much more. Just your take 278 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: on that particular thought, especially in light of where we 279 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: are in culture today. 280 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 5: Well, the good news today is that America is in revival. 281 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 5: We had David and Tim Barton on the Regent campus 282 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 5: last week, and you know, David was originally a mathematician 283 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 5: and a scientist. He loves statistics, and so we are 284 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 5: statistically in a revival. Church attendance is up fifteen percent 285 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 5: across America, and the bulk of that increase is young people, 286 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 5: and of the young people, the bulk is young males. 287 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 5: So we're seeing a new happening in America. We need 288 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 5: to continue to pray into this continued revival. But David 289 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 5: and Tim Barton gave another great message. He said, you know, 290 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 5: we've had revivals in America for one hundred and fifty years, 291 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 5: but we haven't seen the societal change that we had 292 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 5: hoped to see. He said, why is that we America 293 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 5: had several great awakenings. That's when we saw the difference. 294 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 5: That's when we saw societal change. Well, what's the difference 295 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 5: between revival, which is regeneration of a new man coming 296 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 5: to Jesus Christ, and awakening. 297 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 4: The difference is this, It is discipleship. 298 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 5: It is does the individual who experiences new birth in 299 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 5: Jesus Christ, do they develop a hunger and a thirst 300 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 5: for the Word and hunger and thirst for righteousness? 301 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 4: And do they obey the word? So do they read 302 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 4: the word, listen to the word, and do they obey 303 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: the world? 304 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 5: That's our prayer now that God would turn this current 305 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 5: revival of which we praise him into a real awakening 306 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 5: in our country that will change the nation when we 307 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 5: bathe ourselves in the world and the churches and then 308 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 5: live to obey the Word. And that's what's so exciting. 309 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 5: Doctor Dobson was always about the local church. And so 310 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 5: we need to pray for our pastors, our churches. Encourage 311 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 5: our pastors and churches to be bold and preach the word. 312 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 5: But then disciple those who are in front of them, 313 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 5: not just salvation only, but then disciple the new people 314 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 5: who are coming into the faith. 315 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: Michelle, I wanted to ask you about Israel. I know 316 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: of your deep love for the nation of Israel, and 317 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: you have spent a lot of time and a lot 318 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: of your focus your professional career is around Israel. Michelle, 319 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: in light of this last week October seventh, the second 320 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: anniversary of that horrific attack on Israel October seventh, twenty 321 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: twenty three, what a nightmare moss evil terrorist organization trying 322 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: to figure all this out. Michelle, in light of where 323 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: we are right now, what do you see happening. I 324 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: know that they're trying to negotiate a peace agreement between 325 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: Hamas and Israel, but what do you think is going 326 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: to happen? 327 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 5: Well, we are in a very interesting time. It is 328 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 5: the second year anniversary. It just happened yesterday on October seven. 329 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 5: Today is October eighth, and we held an event here 330 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 5: for we started the Israel Institute on the Regent University campus. 331 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 5: We held our second event commemorating that event. We've held 332 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 5: Israel events here on campus for many, many years. We've 333 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 5: always been a pro Israel campus. But I think the 334 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 5: difference is and this is stark. People need to know this. 335 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 5: For the last two years The nation that is the 336 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 5: chief funder of terrorism against Israel is Katar. Qatar is 337 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 5: one of the wealthiest nations in the world. They're only 338 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 5: the size of Pittsburgh. They have three hundred and thirty 339 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 5: thousand people, but they control fourteen percent of all the 340 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 5: natural gas in the world. 341 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 4: So they are loaded with money. 342 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 5: So they've been spending a lot of money on propaganda 343 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 5: all over the world, but specifically in the US. Do 344 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 5: you know that Katar has spent about two hundred. 345 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 4: Billion dollars with a B. 346 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 5: On college campuses in the United States, on social media, 347 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 5: and also on newsrooms across the United States. They've put 348 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 5: their money where their mouth is. They believe in terrorism, 349 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 5: they believe in killing Jews, they believe in wiping Israel 350 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 5: off the map and destroying the Jewish state two hundred 351 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 5: billion dollars. That's why the polling data says for young 352 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 5: conservative Christians they've actually turned away from Israel. 353 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 4: This is shocking. 354 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 5: Israel was the one that was attacked not just by 355 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 5: one nation by Hamas, they were attacked by seven different 356 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 5: Islamic nations trying to destroy the Jewish state. And so 357 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 5: now people see that Israel the bad guy that's only 358 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 5: because Qatar has successfully spent two hundred billion dollars to 359 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 5: feed lies to students. 360 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: That's why we started the Israel Institute. We want to. 361 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 5: Give this generation truth and facts, and so that's what 362 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 5: we're about is truth and facts. And ultimately, Jim, you 363 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 5: and I both know the truth prevails. 364 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: Amen, Michelle Bachman, what would delight to have you? Thank 365 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: you for joining me. 366 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 4: Thank you, Tim. 367 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: Coming up next. She is a clinical and forensic psychologist, 368 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: trauma and addictions expert. Doctor Shawnee Anderson is with us. 369 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim 370 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a 371 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 2: part of your. 372 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: Life joys Now is doctor Shawnee Anderson. She is a 373 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: licensed clinical psychologist, forensic psychologist, trauma and addiction specialist, noted speaker, 374 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: and co director of the Ethics and Advocacy Division for 375 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: the American Association of Christian Councils. She also serves US 376 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: Director of Psychology for US. Doctor Shawnee Welcome, Thank you 377 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: for joining me. 378 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 6: Thank you for having me, Tim. 379 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: Shawnee. We're on the heels of what I thought was 380 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: one of the most magnificent events AACC the American Association 381 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: of Christian Councilors has ever had. We're at the magnificent 382 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: Opperland Hotel, Nashville, Tennessee. We're sold out, seven thousand quote 383 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: mental health and ministry leaders representing all fifty states and 384 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: what some thirty plus countries around the world that we 385 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: had documented and Shawnee, it was a glorious time. I 386 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: think from the opening night with our kickoff speakers and 387 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: Chris Tomlin in concert, I think we held the pedal 388 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: to the medal the whole way through the event. I've 389 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: really felt special and anointing of God while we were there. 390 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: God's doing something, Shawnee, your take on the whole event. 391 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 6: It was absolutely amazing. I think truly the best ever. 392 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 6: And I've been receiving a lot of feedback from a 393 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 6: lot of people that that's the case. And I think 394 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 6: things have been very dark recently and to have so 395 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 6: many believers meeting together of one mind, one heart, one 396 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 6: spirit coming together to worship, glorify God and in the 397 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 6: mental health field was just the most beautiful experience. 398 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: We had a lot of special moments while we were there. 399 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: We honored our good friend doctor Greg Jance, who went 400 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: on to be with the Lord tragic accident July fourth, 401 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: we had a moment where we honored doctor James Dobson, 402 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: had his son Ryan come. Doctor Dobson passed away there 403 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: in August and his memorial service with just this past weekend. 404 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: But hey, shan a a couple other things that happened there, 405 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: But one of them in particular was a moment where 406 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: we had the ADF Alliance Defending Freedom come and court 407 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: case that this week went before the Supreme Court. Therapist 408 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: out of Colorado Springs, I think it was Kaylee Chiles. 409 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: That whole moment, Shawnee was really significant. But can you 410 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: set up for us a little bit about what her 411 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: case is about and what was argued before the Supreme 412 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: Court this week? 413 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 4: Sure. 414 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 6: Kayleie Childs is a licensed professional counselor in Colorado and 415 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 6: she filed a complaint in twenty twenty two about the 416 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 6: law that they have restricting a counselor's speech in a 417 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 6: session with a minor if it is about same sex 418 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 6: attraction or gender identity issues that we are only allowed 419 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 6: to affirm. And she said, this is not okay because 420 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 6: I have clients that really want to explore change in 421 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 6: these areas, and so she filed suit in that case 422 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 6: again in twenty twenty two, and sadly was losing at 423 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 6: every level, and it brought us up to the Supreme 424 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 6: Court yesterday where we heard arguments on it, and I'm 425 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 6: actually very very excited about how it went. I think 426 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 6: that the court is leaning in our direction and they 427 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 6: really understand that this is an issue of freedom of 428 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 6: speech and one of the things that I had never 429 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 6: heard of. But I love the phrase of viewpoint discrimination 430 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 6: that you can be in counseling or psychotherapy for affirmation 431 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 6: if you want to encourage your same sex attraction or 432 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 6: gender identity changes, but not if you want to actually 433 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 6: explore change in those areas if you no longer want 434 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 6: to have same sex attraction or actually seek to have 435 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 6: your gender correspond with your body. And I'm really pererfully 436 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 6: excited about where this could land. 437 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: Shaana. You're talking about activities in the counseling office that 438 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: respect client self determination in other words, your freedom to 439 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: choose a direction you want to go, or a parent's 440 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: freedom to choose, and at the same time offering up 441 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: some type of evidence based type work as a part 442 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: of this journey that respects clients sincerely held religious beliefs 443 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: is what we're talking about, and not having that kind 444 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: of alignment you believe actually creates harm the other way 445 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: against these children and against these families. And so the 446 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: freedom in a context there to be professional in the 447 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: process is what we're talking about, right absolutely. 448 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 6: I think that what has got confounded here is the 449 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 6: term conversion therapy. And conversion therapy was a term that 450 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 6: was coined back in the fifties when we were talking 451 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 6: about extreme behaviorism techniques such as shock therapy and aversive 452 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 6: behavioral techniques that were used across the board from mental 453 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 6: health disorders, not just homosexuality, which at that time was 454 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 6: considered a mental illness. What we recognize now is that 455 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 6: there are evidenced based treatments that have been found to 456 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 6: be effective in actually changing someone's attraction, whether it's to 457 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 6: the same sex or opposite sex, that there is the 458 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 6: possibility of change if you want to correspond with your 459 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 6: sincerely held religious beliefs. And I think that's where a 460 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 6: lot of people get confused. I think people think we're 461 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 6: still engaging in these barbaric techniques that have been abandoned 462 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 6: decades ago. 463 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 4: But what we're. 464 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 6: Doing is really good treatment and really allowing self determination 465 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 6: for individuals who, because of their faith, really seek to 466 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 6: have their gender and their sexual attraction align with how 467 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 6: God made them. 468 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: Shane at the heart of the case that was presented 469 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court, it was not really about conversion therapy. 470 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: It was about talk therapy and freedom of speech, though, 471 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: and that's an important distinction too. Can you explain that 472 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: to us? 473 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 6: I think that was part of the confusion is that 474 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 6: I believe some people think we are engaging in these 475 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 6: barbaric actions, and what we're doing is talk therapy, that 476 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 6: is psychotherapy, that is what is counseling. And what I 477 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 6: found interesting in the argument that the opposing side was 478 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 6: noting is that life coaches, religious pastors and people of 479 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 6: the lay counselors can engage in this behavior, but licensed 480 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 6: professionals cannot. And that's where I don't think they really 481 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 6: have any idea that we are sitting here discussing with 482 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 6: our clients or our patients, just their thoughts and their 483 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 6: feelings and their perceptions, their beliefs about their sexuality, about 484 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 6: their faith. It's really doing traditional psychotherapy, not this barbaric, 485 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 6: outdated treatments that nobody's been doing for a very very long. 486 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: Time, Seana, and with that we all show you. I've 487 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: had conversation about religious liberty infringements in mental health education 488 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: and services, and it's important that people step back and 489 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: take a look at this because you're talking about potentially 490 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: telling people what they can and can't do in the 491 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: therapeutic office, which violates really our constitutional rights, if you will, 492 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: that we have freedom of religion here and this should 493 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: play out in the right way inside mental health care. 494 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 6: Well, it's funny you mentioned that. Last night, I teach 495 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 6: at Liberty University and walked into class and shared with 496 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 6: my class that something happened yesterday that is really going 497 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 6: to impact their education, their training, and moving forward as psychologists, 498 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 6: and that they need to become aware of what is 499 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 6: going on because I really feel that the liberal left 500 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 6: activists have hijacked our field and they're really trying to 501 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 6: impose their way of doing things, and it really violates 502 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 6: our freedom to be able to do the work that 503 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 6: we've been trained to do that our faith encourages us 504 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 6: and supports us to do, and it's not the government's 505 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 6: position to tell us how to do our work. And 506 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 6: in fact, this is the only area if you look 507 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 6: at all the mental health disorders, this is the only 508 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 6: area where the government is saying, yeah, you can't do 509 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 6: therapy the way in which you want to do it, 510 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 6: you have to do it this way. 511 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: Hey, thank you again for taking time to join us, 512 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: and hey, we'll have you back because there's a lot 513 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: more discussed in this area. Thank you for joining me. 514 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 4: Thank you. 515 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: Coming up next. She is a best selling author, speaker, podcaster. 516 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: How do you Saint John is back with us? 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That's right, 541 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: Patriotmobile dot com forward slash road forward, or call nine 542 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: seven to two Patriot and make the switch today. Join 543 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: us now is Heidie Saint John's. He's the best selling author, podcaster, speaker, 544 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: mom to seven children, a bunch of grandchildren, strong and 545 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: fearless voice for the family and righteousness and culture. Heidi, 546 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: welcome back, Thank you for joining me. 547 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 7: Hi, my friend, thank you for having me. 548 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: Heidi. I want to talk to you about up front, 549 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,719 Speaker 1: the faith, the surge that we see going on in 550 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: culture everybody's talking about God. I'm serious. In the aftermath, 551 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: I think of the assassination of TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk. Hey, 552 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: by the way, those events Virginia Tech, Utah State University, 553 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: Montana State University this week packed out. It's amazing. People 554 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: are showing up in mass and you know what else, Shoot, 555 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: people are going back to church. How do it's pretty amazing. 556 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: What do you attribute all of it to? 557 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 7: Well? I think we have a tremendous need for God 558 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 7: in this country, and people are starting to realize that 559 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 7: the lives that we've been peddled to by the radical 560 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 7: left in this country and the things that are coming 561 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 7: out of our woke universities and frankly woke churches are 562 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 7: just not cutting it. We need Jesus, we need the 563 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 7: Lord in our lives. And I think we're seeing that 564 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 7: response to Charlie Kirk's assassination happen worldwide. It's not just 565 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 7: happening in the United States. Also, there were baptisms in 566 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 7: downtown Portland the other day. So I live about thirty 567 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 7: five minutes outside of Portland, Oregon, and I can tell 568 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 7: you right now that the revival that's happening even on 569 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 7: the streets of Portland is real, and we have an 570 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 7: opportunity to read the room as God's people and engage. 571 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 7: And I hope that we see more of it. I 572 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 7: think that we will. 573 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: Hidi a lot of people asking do you think faith 574 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: will shape America's next chapter. I have a feeling that 575 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: it will. Hey, you know, an interesting piece too, is 576 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: that when they look at the demographics, young men in particular, 577 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: biggest demographic coming back to or coming to Christ faith 578 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: in Jesus. Pretty impressive. 579 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, and again, I mean so much of I think 580 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 7: what we're seeing happen is you know, my generation really 581 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 7: was part of the problem. Generations before me. Gen Z 582 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 7: isn't buying it. The generation, you know, gen xers were 583 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 7: trying to you know, everybody's trying to go to college 584 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 7: and trying to figure out the thing to do. We 585 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 7: realize that this is a little bit too little, a 586 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 7: little bit too late. Gen Z is not buying it. 587 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 7: We're watching men going back to church in record numbers, 588 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 7: women realizing that they bought the lie of femininism. It 589 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 7: doesn't make you happy. I love that part of Charlie 590 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 7: Kirk's message was get married, have children, take your family 591 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 7: to church. These are the foundation upon which our country 592 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 7: was built, and to see the younger generation coming back 593 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 7: to it is so encouraging to someone like me. We've 594 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 7: been praying, I know you have two doctor Tim for 595 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 7: a long time to see revival come to this country. 596 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 7: And I'm praying that God uses the very, very difficult 597 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 7: road that we are walking as a nation right now 598 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 7: to shake us and wake us to return to the 599 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 7: things that made this nation great. It's exciting. What a 600 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 7: time to be a Christians. I feel like we said 601 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 7: that all the time on your show. 602 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: Hey, there's a lot of fearing concern out there. However, 603 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: you and I've had many conversations about the open borders 604 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: and what happened under the Biden administration, HAIDI fast forward 605 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: to where we are right now. It's interesting make America 606 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: safe again. The presidents on this journey straightened up DC 607 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: got a hold of that pretty quick, but started looking 608 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: at Memphis, in Chicago, and then you mentioned Portland, where 609 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: you're pretty close there. What a mess that's going on 610 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: right now? Seriously, it's like a big standoff. There's a 611 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 1: throwdown going on. How do it just your take? What 612 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: are you hearing out of Portland. I guess, first of all, well, I. 613 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 7: Mean I have to laugh at what makes the news. 614 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 7: So I was watching, you know, I just flew home 615 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 7: from Hawaii the other night, and I was watching the 616 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 7: news on my flight, and there was a group of 617 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 7: you know, older people, probably in their seventies and eighties, 618 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 7: these white haired liberals on the corner, seeing this land 619 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 7: is your land, this land is my land. And I 620 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 7: want to go up to them and go the reason 621 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,720 Speaker 7: that we can't have nice things is because of you guys. Okay, 622 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 7: So don't stand here on the corner and sing your 623 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 7: dumb little song and expect it's going to make any difference. 624 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 7: The people in Portland, Oregon want change. They are tired 625 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 7: of the crime in their streets. They're tired of the 626 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 7: open drug use, tired of the open borders. And so 627 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 7: when the mainstream media comes in and says Portland doesn't 628 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 7: want change, Portland loves Antifa, they love the writing. Come 629 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 7: down and watch people defecate on the streets of Portland. 630 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 7: It's fantastic. Normal people don't want that. And Trump is 631 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 7: reading the room. This is why you see people in 632 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 7: Memphis getting on camera, you know, hardened democrats going Okay, thanks, 633 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 7: never mind, we didn't we didn't like the crime. Same 634 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,919 Speaker 7: thing is happening in Chicago, and I know it will 635 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 7: happen in Portland once the hardcore leftists in this country 636 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 7: lose their battle in court, which they will, and President 637 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 7: Trump will come in and clean up the streets of Portland. 638 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 7: People here are hungry for it. The President knows it, 639 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 7: and I, for one, I'm glad to see it happen. 640 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 7: I love Portland, Oregon. It is a beautiful city and 641 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,879 Speaker 7: the leftists and Antifa have ruined the city and made 642 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 7: it unsafe, and the people are the normal citizens there 643 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 7: are hungry and ready for the Feds to come in 644 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 7: and start cleaning up the streets of Portland, doing the 645 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,280 Speaker 7: job that the mayor himself and the police chief can't 646 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 7: or won't do. 647 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: What are money's behind this move with Antifa, etc. Somebody's 648 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: got to dig all this stuff out and expose it 649 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: all because it's unbelievable. And what they do is they 650 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: team up with the media and then you see this 651 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: grand standing out of Washington, you know that's going on 652 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: with the government shut down, and then it's like a 653 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: mass formation type thing. These people just quote fall in line. 654 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: They don't even care. They don't even care what the 655 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: issues are anymore. They everything that they said they stood for, 656 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: they don't even stand for anymore. It makes no sense 657 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: to me, Heidi. 658 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 7: No, it doesn't make any sense at all. And it's 659 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 7: because the enemy is the author of confusion. And so 660 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 7: when you see things that don't make sense, when you 661 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 7: can't understand why Governor Knewsom, I think California doesn't want 662 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 7: his state to succeed. He would rather see it fail 663 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 7: than admit that his state is in crisis. This is 664 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 7: the same thing going on in Washington State and in Oregon. 665 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 7: It's this, it is It is confusion. And God is 666 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 7: not the author of confusion. He is the author of peace. 667 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 7: And so as God's people, I think we can step 668 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 7: back and look at this and go, oh hey, we 669 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 7: know who's behind this, and it is the enemy. It 670 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 7: is the spirit of this age. It is the deceit 671 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 7: that we see in social media, from social media influencers 672 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 7: and from government officials. And God's people have an opportunity 673 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 7: right now to quiet their hearts, do a little bit 674 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 7: of self reflection, ask the Lord to help us use 675 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 7: our voices in ways that will bring lasting and good 676 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 7: change to the country and then walk it out in obedience, 677 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 7: because I think the nation is shifting. We're realizing that 678 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 7: the tactics of the radical left do not work. They 679 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 7: bring death and destruction with them everywhere they're implemented. This 680 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 7: is true in every blue city across the country, and 681 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 7: I think people are finally starting to wake up to it. 682 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: The go broke a slogan, We'll tell you what it's true. 683 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: Bud Light wound up in a mess. Target Stores got 684 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 1: into a mess. We saw recently the Netflix got all 685 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: kinds of craziness going their way because Elon Musk even 686 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: came at him and said, hey, listen, he's sick of 687 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: what they're trying to pump out there in terms of 688 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: content around our kids and country music. Singer Zach Bryan 689 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: coming out with this song this week in social media. Man, 690 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: oh man, he's getting hammered. I know, Christy Noam, she 691 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: came out in pretty strong. Seriously, he's coming against ice 692 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: and more. John Rich said, Hey, we're gonna wait and 693 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: see how country music fans really think about, you know, 694 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: ice agents and more. How do what's what in the 695 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: world's behind all this insanity? How come it's just amazing 696 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: to me where the left is and where they're going. 697 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 7: Well they what it's happened is and I've said this, 698 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 7: you know, a dozen of times on your show for 699 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 7: a long time. Now. It is coming out of our 700 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 7: education system. We need to pay attention to what's happening 701 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 7: on our universities and on our high school campuses around 702 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 7: the country because honestly, it will not matter if we 703 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 7: have a great election in you know, three and a 704 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 7: half years from now, and we let's say we get 705 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 7: JD Vance and there for another eight years, it will 706 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 7: not be enough to stem the tide of radicals that 707 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 7: are coming out of our institutions by the hundreds of 708 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 7: thousands every single year. We need to pay attention. These 709 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 7: people are being radicalized by professors who are not there 710 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 7: to teach, They're there to indoctrinate. These are activists disguised 711 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 7: as teachers. They are in our grade schools, our high schools, 712 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 7: and our universities. And so we need to pay attention 713 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 7: to that what we're seeing. And I think this is 714 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 7: true even in this last episode in the Country Music World, 715 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 7: I guarantee you this guy has been influenced by a 716 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 7: radical leftist at some point in his life, and he's 717 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 7: determined that the United States isn't the greatest nation on 718 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 7: the face of the earth, and that open borders are 719 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 7: a good idea. These people have been indoctrinated into Marxists, Socialist, 720 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 7: and even communist ideology, and you see it coming out 721 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 7: in the shows they produce on Netflix and the music 722 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 7: that they are producing. And I think by and large 723 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 7: the American people are tired of it. But if we 724 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 7: don't address the crisis in education, doctor Tim, it is 725 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 7: a five alarm fire. If we do not address the 726 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 7: crisis in education, this problem is only going to get worse. 727 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 7: I honestly believe we'll lose the country inside of fifteen 728 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 7: years if we don't wake up and get to the 729 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 7: root of a lot of this which is in our 730 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 7: education system. 731 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: HDI. Always great to have you. Thank you for joining me, 732 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. 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That's right, Patriotmobile dot com 757 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,879 Speaker 1: forward slash road forward, or call ninety seven to two 758 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 1: Patriot and make the switch today and closing these are 759 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 1: unprecedented times, difficult times, but I know this. God's in control, 760 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 1: and I believe he's at work. I hope you're pressing 761 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: close to Him in his heart. Know that God loves you, 762 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: he wants to be in your life. Our hope, our 763 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: strength comes from the Lord. Here again is a strong 764 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: encouraging verse to hold onto this week, eVision six, verses 765 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: ten through twelve. Finally, be strong in the Lord and 766 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of 767 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 1: God so you can take your stand against the devil's 768 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: schemes or Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, 769 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: but against the rulers, against authorities, against powers of this 770 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: dark world, against the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places. 771 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: I hope you know that no matter where you're at, 772 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,839 Speaker 1: at what you're going through, you can look to God 773 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: for wisdom and direction in your everyday life. Let me 774 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: also say this, I've learned as a professional counselor that 775 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,720 Speaker 1: it's normal to have concerns, maybe some fear or worry, 776 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 1: especially when life isn't the way it's supposed to be. 777 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: And I've also learned too that if you aren't careful, 778 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: it can begin to consume you, control you. It's easy 779 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: to lose perspective. For some, they feel like they've lost hope. 780 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: It can get so dark that some would feel like 781 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: life would be better off without them. I say this 782 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,720 Speaker 1: every week. You don't have to live like that. Simply 783 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: taking a step reaching out for help. It's often the 784 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: gateway to a new day or a new you. And 785 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: if you or someone you love is struggling, I hope 786 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,320 Speaker 1: you'll do that reach out for help. There are wonderful 787 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: counsels and pastors who care can help you find the 788 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: hope and the answers that you're looking for. And there 789 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,279 Speaker 1: are a lot of wonderful resources now. I'd love to 790 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: connect you with some of those. You can find out 791 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 1: more information on those at AACC dot net our website 792 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: AACC dot net. If you're looking for a Christian mental 793 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 1: health provider, try to our a new website called christiancareconnect 794 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 1: dot com christiancareconnect dot com. If you have a personal 795 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: relationship with God in Christ, you know what you can. 796 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: You can have one right now by asking Him to 797 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: come into your life, ask him to forgive you of 798 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: your sin and to come into your life as Lord 799 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: and savior. Simply praying a prayer from your heart to 800 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 1: God's heart like this, you can pray it with me. 801 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,320 Speaker 1: Lord Jesus, I need you. I know I'm a sinner. 802 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: I believe that you died for my sins, and I 803 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: want to turn from them and invite you to come 804 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: into my heart and into my life. I want to 805 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: trust you. I want to follow you as my Lord 806 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: and savior. Thank you for loving me, for giving your 807 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: life for me. Thank you for the gift of grace, 808 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: forgiveness of eternal life. I pray all this in Jesus's name. Amen. 809 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 1: You know if the Bible says in John three point 810 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: sixteen for God to love the world, that he gave 811 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 1: his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him would 812 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: not perish but have everlasting life, And in Romans ten 813 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: to nine, it says, if you confess with your mouth 814 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that 815 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: God raised him from the dead, the Bible says this, 816 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: you will be saved. Best thing you can do if 817 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: you prayed that prayer from your heart to God's heart 818 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: is commit to serving God for the rest of your life. 819 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,359 Speaker 1: He'll give you the strength to do it. I believe that. Hey, 820 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: if you're struggling with hopelessness right now, you feel like 821 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 1: you can't go on, hope, you'll pick up the phone 822 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: right now call the suicide hotline. Number is simple, It's 823 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 1: just simply dial nine eight eight nine eight eight. That's 824 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. Hey, before we go, maybe 825 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 1: God has gifted you with a heart to help other people. 826 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: Hope you'll consider being a part of our Mental Health 827 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: Coach first responder training program. You can enroll right now 828 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,760 Speaker 1: and beyond your way to becoming a board certified mental 829 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: health coach. Over seventy thousand people have now enrolled. Everything 830 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: you need to know about this program is at Light 831 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: University dot com forward slash Mental Health Coach. Light University 832 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: dot com forward slash Mental Health Coach. It's a forty 833 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: two hour training program featuring some of the world's leading 834 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 1: mental health and ministry experts, all on video. You can 835 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: study twenty four seven three sixty five The best news. 836 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: That kind of program usually costs around twenty four hundred dollars, 837 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,879 Speaker 1: but there might be a scholarship up there for someone 838 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,800 Speaker 1: just like you. Lightuniversity dot com forward slash Mental Health Coach. 839 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm doctor Tim Clinton. As always, thanks for watching C. 840 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: Next week right here on Sunday, The Road Forward on 841 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 1: Real America's Voice. 842 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 2: News God 843 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 1: Guy Tell