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Speaker 1: Thank you for being on our show. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: a legend to us and we don't want so much

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Speaker 2: So thanks for having me. Let's be fun.

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Speaker 1: So the first question I want to ask you when

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Speaker 3: Well, there was a guy by the name of Lynn Elmore.

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Speaker 3: Lynns maybe heard Lynn, but he didn't really bust me,

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Speaker 3: but he he col cocked me. I'm coming off a

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Speaker 3: threw an elbow right across my head, knocking to the ground.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the NBA, Brook, And it was a real awakening.

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Speaker 1: Who's the first person to like give you buckets like score,

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Speaker 1: like when you couldn't stop them, and it was like

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Speaker 3: Well, there were two guys that come to mind, And

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Speaker 3: I don't remember the exact time timing of these games,

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Speaker 2: How you got to guard him. You gotta be physical.

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Speaker 3: You got to like get into his body, don't let

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Speaker 2: And I learned that game like no, no, no, just

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Speaker 3: And because he's not really a catch and shoot guy,

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Speaker 2: And anyway, Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Was one of the first guys to light me up.

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Speaker 3: And then another guy was was George Gervin. And I

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Speaker 3: He had elbowed me on on one of his jump shots,

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Speaker 3: it was a rough night.

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Speaker 2: But uh yeah those guys were amazing, amazing players. Yo,

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Speaker 4: We live on location, Las Vegas, Nevada, twenty twenty three

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Speaker 4: NBA Summer League. Man, we are here at XS Nightclub

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Speaker 4: at Encore at Win. We got views and five the

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Speaker 4: pool out there. We got partying going on. You might

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Speaker 4: and you know he chose basketball. We was blessed he

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Speaker 2: You pull him up. You're back Eugene, Oregon.

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Speaker 1: I played in Portland, so I hadn't been to Eugenie Oregon.

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Speaker 2: Eugene is a beautiful place.

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Speaker 1: He was a three star athlete in high school baseball, football, basketball.

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Speaker 1: How did you get into all three of the sports.

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Speaker 3: My father was a baseball and basketball player, played college

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Speaker 3: I had a hard time from season to season, you

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Speaker 3: You know, my baseball coach wouldn't let me play summer basketball,

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Speaker 4: Like you all American and all three you all stayed

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Speaker 2: And you know, we had the two state championship teams.

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Speaker 3: So I signed a pro baseball contract out of high

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Speaker 3: And so that was the best of both worlds to

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Speaker 4: And so get played as a as a pro baseball

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to wear my own shoes, and but yeah,

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Speaker 1: Was it anybody else that almost got you outside of

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Speaker 3: I was recruited by a lot of schools, and when

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Speaker 1: It a school that you really liked that almost came

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Speaker 2: And that the two? What was the second school? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Because I didn't really have much interest in playing at BYU.

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Speaker 2: And so it was like they swooped me away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was just a different atmospherees twenty two

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Speaker 4: When you got there as a freshman, Was that your

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Speaker 4: Was it like any type of culture shock for you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a really really tough summer just being

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, that was that was a rough summer.

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Speaker 1: You the success you was having, It's another level after

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Speaker 1: Was you surprised that the success that she was having.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, my success was tough to come by.

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Speaker 3: I mean when I was because I'd been I'm playing

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Speaker 2: In the fall of when.

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Speaker 3: My fresh of my freshman year and they got four

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what made you decide to go to the draft?

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Speaker 2: Draft the next year. The next year.

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: No, I No I didn't because I was playing pro

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Speaker 2: You didn't have to even go through it draft. I

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Speaker 2: And then anyway, long, long.

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Speaker 3: The blue Jays won. The won the lawsuit, they had

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Speaker 4: And so back then the draft was like that was

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Speaker 2: And I'm watching the draft in this big auditorium. That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Well, you get drafted by the Celtics, how is it

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Speaker 4: when you first, like, like you said, you read our

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I got a call the next day from

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Speaker 1: When you first get into Boston, y'all you got Birds,

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Speaker 2: You're like right away, You're not like on a bad

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Speaker 3: Rookie year in the middle of the year because of

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Speaker 3: my shots this first scrimmage that I'm playing live basketball. Now,

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00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 3: I haven't played much. I finished playing baseball. I'm involved

444
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 3: in this lawsuit. I'm coaching like the JV team at

445
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 3: BYU just kind of get stay in shape and work

446
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 3: on my own and get ready for the season. And

447
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 3: so now I'm playing live basketball in the NBA practice

448
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 3: and Maxwell sitting on the stage.

449
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 2: Of our practice court, going three for eleven, four for fifteen,

450
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: six for twenty one.

451
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 3: You know, he's just like, he's just calling it out.

452
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 3: And I remember the head coach, Bill Fitch at the time.

453
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 3: He came over to me after the scrimmage and he goes,

454
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: it's not.

455
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: As easy as you thought it would be, is it.

456
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 3: And all I remembered thinking at that time was, oh,

457
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 3: my gosh, I mean, I just got twenty one of

458
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 3: the easiest shots I've ever had in my life. I'm

459
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 3: used to playing against boxing ones and double teams in college,

460
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 3: and now all of a sudden, I'm like getting open shots.

461
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: I'm just not I just didn't make them. But that

462
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 2: was my thoughts. So it wasn't that hard. With these

463
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: guys is the easiest thing in the world. And I

464
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: kind of felt that way throughout most of my career.

465
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 3: It wasn't easy not being you know, like trying to

466
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 3: find a niche because you got I think that I

467
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 3: played with like five first ballot Hall of Famers in

468
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 3: that era, and they were just so special. I remember

469
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 3: coming off down screens and catching and shooting shots, and

470
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 3: I remember Bill Fitch called me over and said like,

471
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 3: what are you doing? And I go, why did you

472
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 3: shoot that? I go, I was wide open. And he'd say, well,

473
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 3: what do you a percentage?

474
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 2: You think?

475
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: You know you shoot from that? I go probably fifty percent.

476
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 3: And he goes, what does he shoot? Points to Bird?

477
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, probably sixty because what about him? Sixty?

478
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: And what about him? Yeah, probably sixty, all three of them. Yeah,

479
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: because yeah, you throw the ball inside.

480
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 4: I loved that because that makes me remember when I

481
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 4: was in the three point contest. Barkley was commentating and

482
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 4: when I first out of the round, he says, he said,

483
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 4: oh no, this kid ain't gonna he gonna get all

484
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 4: his shots off. He got Danny A's's ease. So he

485
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 4: was that speaks to the confidence that you had. They're like,

486
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 4: you know, you come up with down screen from Bird

487
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 4: and you letting that thing go. So like, I like

488
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 4: that because like that's what I'm saying, you looking like

489
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 4: what you mean, I'm about to hit too, right, So

490
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 4: so that's how you gotta be though. So that just

491
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 4: made me think about that because he played with Barkley,

492
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 4: and Barkley probably had the same thing going on.

493
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 3: He said the screen, No, I was blessed to play

494
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: with a lot of good players in my NBA career,

495
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of very good players. But yeah,

496
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: I think that playing with Bird and McHale mL Car

497
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 3: was another one Cedric Maxwell. I mean, those guys had

498
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 3: unbelievable confidence. I always felt in my thought of myself

499
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 3: as a very very confident player, but like the Bird especially,

500
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,239
Speaker 3: and he had a whole nother level of confidence than

501
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 3: I ever was able to accomplish and achieve.

502
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: But he just gave you so much confidence, like you

503
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 2: could just you could depend on them.

504
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: You could just see like his confidence like everybody just

505
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 3: like added to everybody else's confidence.

506
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: How was it when you first met him? Like what

507
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: was that interaction like? And getting it? Like getting to

508
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 2: know him? He was great. I mean he was a worker.

509
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 3: We played a lot of one on one full court

510
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 3: like half court full court basketball, just.

511
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: You know, in practice every day. I got to know

512
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: Larry really well.

513
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: But he was a great worker, a great teammate. You know,

514
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 3: he told me when he didn't think I was taking

515
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: good a good shot. I tell people all the time

516
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: when they start complaining, Oh the coach doesn't believe in me,

517
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: or the star player on our team doesn't believe in

518
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 3: my goal.

519
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 2: Bro.

520
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 3: When I played with Bird, he'd pass it, get double team.

521
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: He throw me the ball, but if I missed three,

522
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: He's not I'm not coming.

523
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: Back to me. You got to earn those shots, dude.

524
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: You've got to earn the respect of your coach and

525
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: your star players all the time. You got to earn

526
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 2: that respect.

527
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 3: You know, every game you gotta like be reliable and dependable.

528
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: And that was what I loved about Bird.

529
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: So tell me this.

530
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 4: Everybody talk about how Bird his trash talking is legendary

531
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 4: as his teammate, Like, what was it like the first

532
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 4: time you saw Well, can you give a story him

533
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 4: telling somebody, I'm about to come off this grain because

534
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 4: I we didn't have worthy on here and worthy like yo,

535
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 4: he said, I'm about to do this that that then

536
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 4: he come right off and do it. Well he had

537
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 4: go I'm gonna shoot all bank shots, so I'm gonna

538
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 4: score that. Like, what was it like for you to

539
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 4: be around that type of just like Larry legendness.

540
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: Well, I mean Larry was a quiet guy and he

541
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: wasn't like a loud and obnoxious personality, but he had

542
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: a great sense of humor, and he was a character.

543
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 3: And most of the time his trash talking, it seemed

544
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 3: like it was for motivation. It wasn't like he was

545
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: just always trash talking to everybody. It was just it

546
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: was spotty. But when he did it, it was big.

547
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: Right Xavier McDaniel's story, where you know, I'm gonna shoot

548
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 3: it fake here, fake here, shoot it there, And he

549
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: did exactly, And it had nothing to do with the

550
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: play call, right, like our coach, you call time out

551
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: and we're gonna do this, and like we walk on

552
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: the court and Bird just looks at me.

553
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: And goes, no, give me the ball right there, and

554
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: then he does. But he told mc daniel lee he

555
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: was gonna do. I saw playoff games where you know,

556
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: we're trying to exploit a matchup. Michale's having an amazing

557
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: game against Milwaukee. I remember in Milwaukee, and so we're

558
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: running a post up for him against Marcus Johnson. So

559
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: I set across screen for Michale comes in the post.

560
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: I come off a downscreen and I look up. I

561
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: go he ain't passing the ball.

562
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: He's just holding the ball, like looking at Michale in

563
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: the post like this, and then boom, just shoots the

564
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: three and makes it. But you know, he just had

565
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 3: his He just really wanted to motivate himself. But the

566
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: most uncharacteristic one was he didn't usually trash talk to

567
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 3: like Magic doctor J.

568
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: You know guys like that.

569
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 3: He just you know, he had so much respect for them.

570
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 3: But I remember the big fight between him and Doctor

571
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 3: J when Moses and We're holding him back and Doctor

572
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: J was swinging. It was like so uncharacteristic of doctor J.

573
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: As you guys know Doctor J. I mean, he's the

574
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: nicest guy in the world. But Larry had scored like

575
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 3: thirty five on him at halfway through the third quarter

576
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: and was just jogging back down the court.

577
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: And said, man, you need to retire. And it was

578
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: just like Doctor J lost his mind and like and

579
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: that's where that story had started.

580
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: But my favorite trash talking by Larry and Kevin was

581
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: a pretty good trash talker too, but Larry was when

582
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 3: they when they trash talk coaches, like when they trash

583
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 3: talk Hubie Brown and you know they're sitting there and

584
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: playing a Madison square garden and he's just going like

585
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: taking the ball out of bounce in front of the bench.

586
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: So the whole bench can hear him right and go like, Hull,

587
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: be this all you got from me tonight? Like you've

588
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: got no one else that can guard me? This is

589
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 3: getting ridiculous, you know. And then Hube would.

590
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: Put in like Johnny Newman would be running in the game.

591
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 3: He goes, wait, are you serious? That's the guy you're

592
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 3: putting on me. But it was it was those subtle

593
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: things that he said that were just I mean, they

594
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: were so funny.

595
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: But we loved it. But even the other bench, you know,

596
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: even Hube's team in New York is like laughing at

597
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: Bird's trash talking.

598
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: The Lake of Robbery when you got into the Laker

599
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: robbery and it's every year thing, Now, how was that

600
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: for you? Like, how was you growing up a Laker fan?

601
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: You loving Kareem and uh you know who Magic is

602
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: and you know, how was that to be in that

603
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: robbery and the history all involved in it?

604
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think that because I was a

605
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: Laker fan, and because I had such great admiration for

606
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: Magic and even Worthy and Byron Scott, Michael Cooper I

607
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: played against in college and Kareem of course, you know

608
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: that was a team that you know, our fans hated him. People,

609
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: you know, it was like the countries divided between the

610
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: Lakers and the Southeltics. But like I never hated them.

611
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: I just like had amazing respect. And we thought about

612
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: them all season long, matter of fact, and we beat

613
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: them in eighty four. At that time, I actually thought

614
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: they were a little better than us. Eighty five, I

615
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: thought we were better than them, and they beat us,

616
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 3: and then eighty six, Like our entire season was like

617
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: every day we thought about the Lakers. Yeah, I mean

618
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: it's just us and the Lakers and we're watching and

619
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: and it's a great motivation for us because we're going

620
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: to get them in eighty six.

621
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: And then they get beat by Houston in the conference finals,

622
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: and that was a killer.

623
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it was like a letdown because like all

624
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: year long, like we just you know, wanted another crack,

625
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: and we were one hundred percent healthy, and it was

626
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: a team that you know, it's easy to say now,

627
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: but like we weren't going to lose in eighty six,

628
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: you know, but how often are you is your team

629
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: that good, that many great players and everybody. It was

630
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: healthy and we went fifty and one that year at home,

631
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: but anyway, that was a little bit of a letdown,

632
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: but that's kind of our mindset. That's how strong the

633
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: rivalry was both ways. But all respect they were very

634
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: well coached with pat Riley. They were deep and great

635
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: and magic and cream.

636
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: I mean, like what else do you have to say?

637
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: And Stiles was just so different from very different from

638
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, to play.

639
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: Against each other and stuff like the games that Lakers

640
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: won it was up and down. The game that Boston

641
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: won it was more half court controlled.

642
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think both teams could play both ways, though,

643
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: you know, it was like there were games in the

644
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: eighties and there were games in the one hundred and twenties,

645
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: and it's like from game to game in a series

646
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: it would just change and who knows why. But both

647
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: teams could defend, both teams could run, both teams could shoot.

648
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean they had great player. I mean

649
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call James Worthy a role player by any stretch,

650
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: but team he wasn't the best player or the second

651
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: best player. And Byron Scott was another guy that was,

652
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: you know, very very underrated in the history. But he

653
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: was a great player who had to accept a lesser

654
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: role playing with that team that he played with.

655
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 4: How do you think, like you came in and you know,

656
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 4: you win the finals as a rookie, you know, how

657
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 4: do you think and then you go back and forth

658
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: with that type of you know, rivalry and going to

659
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: the finals, and how do you think that impacted, like

660
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: that type of winning mentality and winning organization and culture

661
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 4: going to the finals, how do you think that impacted

662
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: like the rest of your career.

663
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: I think that it sets a tone, you know, like

664
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: the expectations are really high when you don't play well,

665
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: like you hear it. You hear it from your team,

666
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: you hear from your coach, you hear from the fans,

667
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: you hear from the you know, all of the media.

668
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: You hear from everywhere, and that you don't get to hide.

669
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: There's no place to hide. I remember one day when

670
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: when I was playing with DJ, a couple of years

671
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: into my career. DJ and now with the starting backcourt

672
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: and Jackie McMullen. You've heard of her as a reporter

673
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: for the Boston She had written, you know, Danny was

674
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: four for thirteen and DJ was you know, three for

675
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: eleven and from the field and the Celtics guards are

676
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: going to have to make their shots in order to

677
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: advance to the next round. And anyway, DJ was livid

678
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: right that, like she had written this and it's like DJ,

679
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: she just like put our stats in like that's okay, Like,

680
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: you know, but he was mad that she was at practice.

681
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: He was mad she was there. And but DJ was great.

682
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: I mean, he just like he was just not happy

683
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: to see her that day. But I mean that's just

684
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: the world. You have to learn to understand. You're going

685
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: to get criticized. The expectations there are very very strong.

686
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, the fans and the people there

687
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: in Boston are expecting championships or nothing else. DJ was

688
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: our coach when we got drafted.

689
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: He was assistant coach with the clip was on our

690
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: favorite I'm thinking about him all the time. His personality

691
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: to get a player like DJ coming from Seattle winning

692
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: the championship and being so good to be getting traded

693
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: over there, which old and being in the backcourt with

694
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: that just tell us about DJ.

695
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: Because a lot of people don't know who Dennis Johnson is. Well,

696
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,239
Speaker 2: DJ was, you know, like a second round pick out

697
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: of Pepperdine. Yeah, and.

698
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: He gets with the great Gus Williams and David Thompson

699
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: and was playing with an amazing backcourt. They win the

700
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: championship and in the late seventies, and he's the MVP

701
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: of the finals. Yeah, but he didn't get along with

702
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: coach Lenny Wilkins very well, and so Lenny trades him

703
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: to Phoenix for Paul Westfall, who was a great player,

704
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: but he was broken down a little bit by that

705
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: stage of his career. But I think Lenny was just

706
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: kind of tired of the coach and DJ. Yeah, so

707
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: DJ gets the Phoenix plays five years in Phoenix, I

708
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: think approximately they don't really ever get past the Lakers

709
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: in that era. But DJ was a great player, maybe

710
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: four or five All Star teams in that five years,

711
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: I think. And then we got DJ when he.

712
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: Was like thirty one. Now we get him in Boston

713
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: and we're all excited about him.

714
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: He's like what we need. But Phoenix, I mean, we

715
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 3: don't even have to give anything up to get him.

716
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: We traded Rick Roby, who was like our third string

717
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 3: center and I don't even think he played much for

718
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: Phoenix ever, and so like we got a starting first

719
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: baut Fall famer to add to our current nucleus of

720
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: our team, and you know it was fascinating because I

721
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 3: don't know if it was because you know, we had

722
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: so many great leaders on our team and DJ came

723
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 3: to us, and you know, he wasn't the man, yeah

724
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: he you know, we had all those big guys in

725
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: first ballot Hall of Famers, or maybe he was just

726
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 3: a little more mature.

727
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: But I loved playing with DJ.

728
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: You could see a little bit of why a coach

729
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: might not like DJ periodically, like a day every other

730
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: month where he kind of act out in a way

731
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: that you'd say, like, can't do that. I remember one time,

732
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: it's a funny story, one of my favorite DJ stories,

733
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: but Casey Jones calls the time out and he sees

734
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 3: DJ's in a wrong place. He calls the time He goes, okay,

735
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: DJ dribbled over here, Danny, you go set a screen

736
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: for Kevin. Kevin get to the post. Danny set the

737
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: backpick for Larry, and DJ goes, I ain't passing him

738
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: the ball when Kevin was nicknamed the black hole at

739
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 3: that time, and so it was, and says, okay.

740
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: Danny, you get the ball. DJ you go.

741
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 3: He's like, I adn't setting the screen for him, and

742
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: so you know, and he but he was acting out,

743
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: So Kevin passed. Kevin knew that the DJ was not

744
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 3: in a good place, so he starts like trying to

745
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: pass it to DJ, and DJ's just catching.

746
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 2: It and swinging swinging it. It's too late now, man,

747
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: I ain't right and like this is going on in

748
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: the game. So after the game, k C.

749
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: Jones, who's like, you know, what a great great man

750
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: he was, and he was our coach, but he was

751
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: taking his jacket off and like we're going at it.

752
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: You read him and DJ like we're going we're fighting.

753
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 3: You are not messing up this team. And DJ was great.

754
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: Like DJ was like, oh, I you know, apologize to

755
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: the team. The next day, DJ is great, you know,

756
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: for the next two months, he's like the best teammate.

757
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: He's laughing, but like that's how DJ was. He just

758
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 3: like had some moods in that in the stretch that

759
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: you could see why coach. But on our team, we

760
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: loved him so much. Every day we knew what he

761
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: could help us do, and ninety nine percent of the

762
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: time he was like the most enjoyable guy to be around.

763
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: On the team.

764
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: That's the dopest part because That's who he was for

765
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: us when we came in. He eighteen. I'm nineteen, and

766
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 4: I knew I was supposed to be playing. I was

767
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: killing in practice and so a lot of stuff. If

768
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 4: you saying I do the same, I be in that

769
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 4: wild I'm young, Chicago. I ain't never been in a

770
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: position where if you play and you work and you earn,

771
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 4: you don't get And I'm not knowing that you know

772
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: that they trying to move this guy and move that

773
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: guy because we had a whole.

774
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: Heap of young dudes just got there. I don't know,

775
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: and I don't care about none of that. I'm not.

776
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 4: Nobody's telling me that. It's not their job to tell me.

777
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 4: I don't understand. DJ used to what do he used

778
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 4: to do every time we be over there a while,

779
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 4: and this that and the third way, Come on, your motherfucker,

780
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 4: grab us up, put us a chance down right here,

781
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 4: like like we had so much respect for him. He

782
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: was like the only one outside of Sean Rooks, but

783
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 4: as a coach, he was the only one that could

784
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 4: come to us and really like check us and be

785
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 4: like listen here, man, like y'all don't know anything. Like

786
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: y'all don't know anything like you like sometime like it

787
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 4: ain't for y'all, don't know anything, like somebody's gonna tell

788
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: y'all sit he like he like you eighteen nineteen, y'all

789
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 4: ain't did shit. The first thing, I'm like, oh you shit.

790
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 4: And so we be sitting there and then like a

791
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 4: you get through doing all this stuff and he tell

792
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: like listen, man' telling you from experience, like I used

793
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: to do this. I used to do that, like you

794
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 4: ain't gonna get you know, and like you know, more

795
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 4: and more were like like my rookie year between him

796
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 4: and Shi was that was my sanity because I didn't

797
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: get like I knew I should have been playing, and

798
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: I had to watch, you know, my friends played.

799
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: Then I'm watching the other guys. I got dre to play.

800
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 4: I'm like I was older, not okay, but coach DJ

801
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: DJ used to keep me together. Wholl I swear that

802
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: was my man? No, he was my man too. I

803
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 4: loved him.

804
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: It was fun when he first showed up in Boston

805
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: after getting traded from Phoenix for nothing. Remember now this

806
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: guy's a first bout Hall of Fame and we get

807
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: him for nothing and he just shows up adds to

808
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: our team. And I walked up to him I and

809
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: I said, uh, hey, Chemo, how you doing? And he goes,

810
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: why you call me chemo? I said, well, I can't

811
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: let your cancer spread to the.

812
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: Rest of us. He just laughed. He thought that was

813
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: the funniest thing in the world.

814
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: But he had the best sense of humor and just

815
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: but yeah, he was. He was great for me, Like

816
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: he helped me calm me down, because DJ had a

817
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 3: very calming influence at that stage of his career.

818
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: And you know, he put his arm around me when

819
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: things weren't going as.

820
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: Great and he was like, but I'll always appreciate DJ.

821
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: And I think Larry referred to DJ as like his

822
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: best player ever played with, Yeah, which is saying a lot.

823
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you keep referring to that eighty six team and

824
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: how how that was like the best team. What makes

825
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 4: you separate that team from all the other teams you

826
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: played with? It makes them so special when like the

827
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: best team.

828
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: I think that the fact that it was the prime

829
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: of the best players on that team. It was the

830
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: prime of Bird, who was MVP that year. It was

831
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: a prime of McHale, DJ and Chief were still in

832
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: their prime and that team was healthy. And as we've

833
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: learned anything in the NBA, like NBA Finals, teams that

834
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: are healthy, like if you have a small injury or one, yeah.

835
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: You could be a great team, but like that health

836
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 2: all the way to the end. But that team makes

837
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: them that special.

838
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 3: And then we had you know, we didn't. We had

839
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: one player that's a first about Hall of Famer that

840
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: wasn't in his prime, and that was Bill Walton, and

841
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: he was really special and we only needed him to

842
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 3: play eighteen minutes a game. But now he's crazy, but.

843
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: He's really really special. Still I still stay up at

844
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: night to watch his game. So on the West Coast. Yeah,

845
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: he's hilarious.

846
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 4: Justin he called our first two years, he called that

847
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 4: game he the Cliffers.

848
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Love Bill wall same person till this day. No,

849
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: he's the best. So fun.

850
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: When you won that championship your first year, did you

851
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: feel like you made the right decision to come play basketball?

852
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: I mean I felt like I made the right decision

853
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: when you know, before whether we won a championship or not,

854
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: you know, it was basketball was cake. But but I'll

855
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: tell you a little bit of why I feel that way.

856
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 3: You know, my I played baseball, and I had really

857
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: good coaches, and like I told you, my father was

858
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: had aspirations of being a pro baseball player, and so

859
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: I grew up around baseball also. But I learned more

860
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 3: in my first two months professional baseball than I had

861
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: learned my whole life. You know, like there's just so

862
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: much to know, you guys are talking about like DJ

863
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: telling you you don't know anything. Like That's how I

864
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: felt when I got to the NBA. I had such

865
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: good coaching in basketball and my family, but with my

866
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: high school team and my college team, I don't really

867
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: it wasn't this like I knew a lot about basketball.

868
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 3: I didn't really learn that much. I learned in the NBA.

869
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: You got to, you know, guard a rub cut on

870
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: the inside instead of the outside.

871
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: You know, jump to the ball. Yeah, you had to

872
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: defend across green is different than what you know.

873
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: But but I didn't really learn and and you know,

874
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: and you learn the tricks, you learn all the tricks

875
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: from the veterans playing against them. But I felt like

876
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 3: I had actually been trained up more in basketball, and

877
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: I you know, I felt like I just knew a

878
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: lot more about basketball than I did baseball.

879
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: I wasn't when you made your first All Stars you

880
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: mean my only All Star. Sorry, look, people don't get

881
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: that one though. That's big time right there. I had

882
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: that one. It was good.

883
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: I mean I made the All Star team because I

884
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: was surrounded by great players and you know, our team

885
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: was great. Yeah, there were a lot a lot of

886
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: worthy All Stars every year, as you guys know. But

887
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 3: it was fun to get one, and you know, especially

888
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: getting some respect of playing around such great players I

889
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: was surrounded with.

890
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, how was the experience of the going to that

891
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: weekend and being around all the other your peers and

892
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: your family.

893
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: Good chance to experience that we can it was. It

894
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: was good.

895
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: I joke that, you know, the shooting guards of the

896
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference All Star team that year was Michael Jordan

897
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 3: and I. We combined for fifty four points.

898
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: In that game.

899
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 3: Michael had forty one of them. But it was it

900
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: was a fun experience. I mean you in that locker room.

901
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: But again, I think more than the actual game itself

902
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: and you know, the weekend, I think it's just a

903
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: recognition that you get appreciated for, you know, being a

904
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: role player on a great team. You know, winning, winning

905
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: gets you. It helps everybody get their individual accomplishments, but winning.

906
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: Is what it's all about. You spoke on MJ.

907
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 4: Right, I want to know how was it when he

908
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 4: came to the Garden in that playoffs series and you know,

909
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 4: he had the crazy game? Was the sixty three points

910
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 4: and you know, bird was like that wasn't that was?

911
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 4: That was God in a jersey? Like what was that

912
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 4: like when y'all saw MJ coming, like y'all would have dominant,

913
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 4: you know, the champions, Like, what was it like seeing

914
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: him hit the scene and what he was doing to

915
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: the game.

916
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, Michael was obviously a great

917
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: player as a rookie, but he had sat out most

918
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: of that year with a foot injury. How old were

919
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: you guys? But you guys even born five? Okay, so

920
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: you guys were five years old.

921
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

922
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: But he, I mean, he was such a great player

923
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: and we knew he was a great player, but in

924
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: that series, because again that's the nineteen eighty six Celtics

925
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 3: team and we weren't losing.

926
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 2: There was no way we were losing.

927
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 3: But Michael, he had some good players on his team,

928
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: but nothing like he would have as his future expanded.

929
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 3: But he I played golf with Michael on the Saturday

930
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: before that Sunday game, and we played thirty six holes

931
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: and I took a little bit of money from Michael

932
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: that day and that might have been a big mistake.

933
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: And as I got out of the car, he says, Hey,

934
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: tell DJ I got something for him tomorrow.

935
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: DJ. I picked up like his fifth foul like.

936
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 3: Four minutes into the third quarter, and so like, I

937
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: got a big chunk of that sixty three. And I

938
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: remember a funny story about Walton was in that game.

939
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 3: We were doing some switching. Most of the switching I

940
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 3: was always accused of, like, you know, you just don't

941
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: want to guard him, so just like switch, switch, switch,

942
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: and Walton ended up fouling out and he was cursing

943
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: me out at the end of that game so hard,

944
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: like guard your own man. But yeah, Michael was everybody

945
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 3: knew at the end of that series. Even after that

946
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: sixty three points. I think he had another fifty point

947
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: game in that series. But he brought up Larry's quote.

948
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: But I think that we all knew that Michael was

949
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 3: the best player in that series. You know, he had

950
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: earned everybody's respect for sure, if not before that, but

951
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: by that time absolutely so.

952
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: At the end of the Celtics run, when did you

953
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: know it was like, yeah, it's kind of over. This

954
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: is like the last season that we have a push

955
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: to suit for the tempt Show. I think it was

956
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: like eighty eight. Eighty nine, Yeah, I think it was.

957
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: I think it maybe been eighty seven. You know, eighty six.

958
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: I thought we were you know, maybe I still think

959
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: this like we were in my unbiased opinion, we were

960
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 3: the best team that era. But Michale broke his foot.

961
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: He was never the same. He's still a very good

962
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 3: player for a little stretch, but he was never the same.

963
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 3: Larry had two Achilles tendon surgeries and had a back surgery.

964
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: Eighty seven. You know, we lost to the Lakers in

965
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: the finals, but we weren't healthy. We weren't even close

966
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: to healthy. Everybody had something wrong with him in that series.

967
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: And it felt a little bit then because that's when

968
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: the injuries started happening, and yeah, I thought that was

969
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: the end. Did you get traded or yeah? Traded in

970
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: eighty nine, got traded.

971
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: What was it like, because you've been to the Celtic

972
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: for years and what was it like to finally kind

973
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: of seeing this side of the NBA now where you

974
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: actually go to another team, another city, another state, and

975
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: I was.

976
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: Looking forward to it.

977
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: I was excited about it. Casey Jones was now working

978
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: in the front office. Him and I were very close.

979
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: I played for him for four years and then the

980
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: two years before he was an assistant coach, and him

981
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 3: and I were very close, and case was like telling

982
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: me in Case, as you guys probably know, was high

983
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 3: school teammates, Olympic teammates, cut pro teammates with Bill Russell,

984
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 3: and Bill Russell's now the GM and Sacramento. So Bill

985
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: traded for me in Sacramento and I played one year there.

986
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 3: And what a disaster of a year. I mean not

987
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: because of like we get the number one pick in

988
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 3: the draft. We have, We finished the season pretty strong,

989
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: and then we get Purvos Elison's the number one pick

990
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 3: in the draft, and all the players were like watching

991
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: his draft work out. And we had a kid named

992
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: Ricky Berry who was a first team All Rookie team

993
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: that year, who commits suicide that summer. Purvos Ellison can't play.

994
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: Rodney McCrae was played on that Houston team that we

995
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: beat in eighty six was a starter. He has a

996
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: colon disorder of some sort of never plays basketball again,

997
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: and like our team just like, but I thought Russell

998
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: actually never got credit for like putting together a pretty

999
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 3: good team. I'm not saying we were a championship team,

1000
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: but why that fell apart fast? And then I finished

1001
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 3: my career in Portland and Phoenix going to the finals

1002
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: with those two teams.

1003
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: How was that?

1004
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 4: In Portland you got to play with you know, the

1005
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 4: legendary Draws and Petrovich, and everybody knows how great of

1006
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 4: a score he would, like, just talk about being able

1007
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: to be on the team with him.

1008
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1009
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: When I got traded to Portland, I was like wondering, like,

1010
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: why do they need me, my thirty one year old

1011
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 3: guy who's you know? They got Draws and Petrovitch who

1012
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,479
Speaker 3: had played against in earlier in his career and my career.

1013
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: When we went over to Spain to play and I

1014
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 3: watched him play, I was like, Wow, this guy is special.

1015
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: And I even thought he was more special havn't had

1016
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: the chance to play with him. Yeah, yeah, then we

1017
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: traded him away for like thirty seven year old Walter Davis.

1018
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 3: Later that year, he and then his career kind of

1019
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: took off as he got an opportunity to play. But yeah,

1020
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: Drawsen was a great, great player.

1021
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: So you joined the Phoenix Suns with Barkley kJ Dann

1022
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: and this is the opportunity not to get a chance

1023
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: to be on another good team that has a chance

1024
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 1: to win a championship.

1025
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: How was that Phoenix Sons there were for you? It

1026
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: was great.

1027
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 3: Paul west Fall was our coach and the first time

1028
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 3: head coach. A unique perspective, but a happy person who

1029
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: was funny, He was charismatic, He was brilliant in a

1030
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: lot of ways. And I loved playing playing for Paul

1031
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 3: west Fall and playing with Charles. I mean Charles made

1032
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 3: me laugh every day for three straight years. I mean

1033
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: like every day he made me laugh.

1034
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: The first year he got m VP off first year together.

1035
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: I know, but I think that was because he was

1036
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: in shape playing on the Dream team that summer. R

1037
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: came came in in great shape, and I mean it

1038
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 3: was a new life for him getting to the Phoenix

1039
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 3: with from Philadelphia. Yeah, and you know it was brand

1040
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: new stadium head coach. You know, he was obviously the

1041
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 3: main best player on our team and we had a

1042
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: good team. So it was yeah, Charles was Charles was great.

1043
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: But my whole three years with Charles anyway, it was

1044
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 3: it was a joy.

1045
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: So it was about the MVP year he had, like

1046
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: the tur he went through because you know, you got

1047
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: all this the powerfulard position.

1048
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 2: I had a lot of guys that was really good

1049
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: for him to win MVP.

1050
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 3: You was just you know, I think coach Westfall really

1051
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: managed Charles well. I mean I shouldn't say managed, because say,

1052
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 3: you don't really manage players like that. I mean Charles

1053
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: was in charge, but uh he dealt with it.

1054
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: Well.

1055
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, guys, a funny story of what I'm

1056
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: saying is, and this didn't happen very often, but one night,

1057
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 3: it's thirty minutes we're all in the locker room waiting

1058
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: for the pregame meeting and Charles hasn't arrived yet to

1059
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: the arena and the tip off is seven to ten

1060
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 3: that night, were waiting and still know Charles. So west

1061
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 3: Fall stands up from his stool after ten minutes of

1062
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: silence and he says, well, if he's not here by

1063
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: seven to ten.

1064
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: He's not starting, and we just all died. Last night

1065
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: Charles got there shortly after, and you know, like we

1066
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: went on and played that night.

1067
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 3: But I mean, and that didn't happen very often, but

1068
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: that or ever again that I remember, But that was

1069
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 3: just like but that was Paul and Charles. And Charles

1070
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: didn't practice a lot that year. I mean he'd sit

1071
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 3: in the corner and like make fun of the rest

1072
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 3: of us by practicing. But we kind of liked the

1073
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: fact he didn't practice because we all got to shoot

1074
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 3: and play. And but yeah, Charles was he was a

1075
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: joy to play with.

1076
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: What click do you amaze? I'll just go to the finals,

1077
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: to get to the finals because I started working together

1078
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: Will almost Shane, and.

1079
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a great We had a great year.

1080
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 3: I mean, like kJ was a special player, Dan Marley

1081
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 3: was a terrific player. It could really shoot the ball, defend,

1082
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: and Barkley was you know, like those three guys were

1083
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: legit All Star players in the prime of their careers.

1084
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 2: Still, you know, we had some good role players that year.

1085
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: But it was just a really good team, well coached team,

1086
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: good team, team believed in themselves and had a fantastic

1087
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: regular season that carried over. Although in the first round

1088
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: of the playoffs, we're playing the Lakers and they're the

1089
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: eight seed and we're the one seed, and it's a

1090
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 3: five game series and we lose the first two games

1091
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: at home. We go to LA and we're down at

1092
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: halftime of game three, like for them to clinch the

1093
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: series and beat the one seed. Westfall comes in the

1094
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: locker room at halftime and says, like, does anybody know

1095
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: any good jokes? That's our halftime speech. Is guy's telling

1096
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 3: and sharing jokes at halftime. He just like, you guys

1097
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: are way too tense and too tight, Like we got

1098
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: to loosen up and relax and play. We end up

1099
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 3: winning that game and then we go home and we

1100
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: went game five and we get all the way to

1101
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 3: the finals.

1102
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: But it was it wasn't a guarantee. How was it

1103
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 2: that year ago, that final series?

1104
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 4: Because I mean we you know, obviously at that point,

1105
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 4: I'm thirteen, I'm in Chicago, I'm watching I know everything.

1106
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 4: He was Bulls fans say Bulls fan, So you know,

1107
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 4: we even re seen the replay of it in the

1108
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 4: Last Dance and all that.

1109
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: But how was that final series? And you played golf

1110
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: with MJ that during that.

1111
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: Series too, I think so, yeah, we played a lot

1112
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: of golf over the years. I mean, Michael was obviously

1113
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: he's he's the best player of every series he's ever

1114
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: played in his in his whole career, and that's what

1115
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: that's what separates him from so many of the other

1116
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: great ones. I'm not sure he ever played in a

1117
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: playoff series where he wasn't the.

1118
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: Best player, right, But.

1119
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: You know, we thought we had a chance, you know,

1120
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 3: and then we got behind in the series, and then

1121
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 3: we got we won an amazing comeback series in Chicago,

1122
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: uh or come back in game four.

1123
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: I think it wasn't that series.

1124
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: And anyway, we thought we had a chance, really believed

1125
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: that we could do it going back, and then even

1126
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: late in game six, that was the clinching game. I

1127
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: think we have a six or eight point lead going

1128
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: down the stretch of the game and we could not score.

1129
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: We missed open.

1130
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: Shot after open shot, and and you got to give

1131
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 3: the Bulls a lot of credit, but I mean that

1132
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 3: was the most one of the most challenging parts of

1133
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 3: my career. I'm calling time out, we're up to they

1134
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: have the last possession, and I'm telling.

1135
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: Our team, like they're like, no threes, no threes, no threes,

1136
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 2: and sure enough, they.

1137
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: Come out of the time out. They inbounded to Scottie.

1138
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: Charles goes for the steel, doesn't get it. Scotty starts penetration.

1139
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 3: I see him hit Horace and I'm like gonna fly

1140
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: down to tackle Horace. I'm gonna grab him the behind

1141
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: to make him shoot free throws and hot potato to

1142
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 3: pass my man. And it's like, oh my gosh, are

1143
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: you kidding me? But yeah, the game, it's a crazy game.

1144
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: But the Bulls were They were special down the stretch

1145
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 3: of that game. I mean, there was a reason why

1146
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: we didn't score. Their defense is pretty special.

1147
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 2: What made you get into coaching, Like, did you think

1148
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: you were going to be a coach? I didn't. I didn't.

1149
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 3: So I finished my career in Phoenix. I still live there,

1150
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 3: and I go straight into broadcasting with TNT. How I

1151
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 3: got into T and T When I got traded to Sacramento.

1152
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 3: There was a player on Sacramento's team named Michael Jackson.

1153
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 3: Michael was a Georgetown point guard and ye're good in

1154
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 3: the Patrick Ewing era.

1155
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 2: And John Thompson era.

1156
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: Anyway, Michael and I became very close and we worked

1157
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: out daily. When I got traded from Boston. We're living

1158
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: in a residency and my family was still in Boston,

1159
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 3: kids going to school, and so Michael and I just

1160
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: heart become very close in that stretch. And then Michael

1161
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 3: wasn't in the league anymore after that year, and I

1162
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 3: get traded Portland and we didn't really have any communication

1163
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 3: after that. And then now I'm ending my career in

1164
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 3: Phoenix and I get a call from Michael. This is

1165
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 3: like seven years later, and getting a call from Michael

1166
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: and says, hey, I want you to come be the

1167
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: head broadcaster for TNT there. I go, okay, right, so

1168
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 3: that's why I got started there. I did that for

1169
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 3: one year, and then Jerry Colangelo, the owner of Phoenix,

1170
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 3: offered me the job, the coaching job Phoenix, and I

1171
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 3: thought about it. I go, oh, I mean I got

1172
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 3: no experience, like one year out of the game, but

1173
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 3: so I gave it a shot.

1174
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 4: Do you think, you know, coming in being drafted and

1175
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 4: playing on the legendary red ir back, you know, did

1176
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 4: that impact you, you know, going into coaching, the front

1177
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 4: office and all that.

1178
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 2: Did he have any.

1179
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 4: Impact that you learned anything from him to help you

1180
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 4: going into those careers?

1181
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1182
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: Huge, just because I never really contemplated doing those jobs.

1183
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: I just I didn't really set out to be a broadcaster.

1184
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: I didn't set out to be a coach. It didn't

1185
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: set out like it was. You know, I acted as

1186
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: my own agent through much of my career.

1187
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: When I signed.

1188
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 3: When I signed as a free agent to Phoenix, like

1189
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: I had a five minute phone conversation with Jerry Clangelow.

1190
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 3: He called me at the deadline and said, you know,

1191
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: here's what we got. We had a conversation, boom, I

1192
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 3: had a contract. I think that started a relationship that

1193
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 3: enhanced that that experience I shared with you. With Michael Jackson,

1194
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: I didn't like, there's no intention.

1195
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: For anything down the road. It's just like we just

1196
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: we hit it off. And I think the same thing

1197
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: with Red.

1198
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: When I got the job back with Boston after I

1199
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 3: went into coaching, so I did broadcasting year and then

1200
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 3: I went in and coached for four years, and then

1201
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 3: I went back to broadcasting for a few years and

1202
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: then read our back a new ownership group by the

1203
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 3: Red is still kind of a senior advisor to the team,

1204
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 3: and he wrecked Men's me. I haven't talked with Red

1205
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: for twenty years since you traded me to Russell's.

1206
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: Team in Sacramento. Yeah. So I think that it's just

1207
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: like these relationships that you build with the people over

1208
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: the years. You don't really know what is going to

1209
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: come from it. But for me, like that's what's set

1210
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: up the rest of my life. I didn't really seek

1211
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: any of those jobs. I wasn't.

1212
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 3: A matter of fact, I turned the Celtic job down

1213
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: three times before I finally accepted it, and it wasn't

1214
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 3: what I really wanted to do. I had six kids, yeah,

1215
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 3: and but finally I just said, why not, I'll give

1216
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: it a shot.

1217
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: When did you start to believe that you can put

1218
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: a team together, like you have this title to put

1219
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: a winning team together, for an organization to win championships

1220
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: or to win Like what.

1221
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: Made you decide like, yeah, I can do this job.

1222
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: You know, it's a good question. I feel like I'm

1223
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 3: not sure that I ever looked at it that way though.

1224
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 3: I think I looked at it as I can help.

1225
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: I can be a part of a team that can

1226
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 3: you know, help put a winning team together. I've been

1227
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: around a lot of good teams. I think that's why

1228
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 3: Red recommended to the new ownership group in Boston.

1229
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: Like I've been around a lot of good teams in

1230
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: Portland and in Phoenix and in Boston most of my career.

1231
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: I was very blessed. You know what I've learned now,

1232
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: you know, twenty five years later, is there's a lot

1233
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: of different ways to build a team. There's not any

1234
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 2: one way.

1235
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 3: And obviously you need a lot of talent to win

1236
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,479
Speaker 3: in our league, and then you need to be able

1237
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: to communicate and get the most out of that talent.

1238
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: But there's no one way to win.

1239
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: But I feel like trying to create a winning culture

1240
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 3: is not easy to do, but especially when you have

1241
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: you guys know this as well as anybody. You're young players,

1242
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 3: you come into the league, you want to earn the

1243
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 3: respect of your peers, and then you want to make

1244
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 3: an All Star team. Then you want to get paid,

1245
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 3: and then you know, after after all of that, now

1246
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: you want to win. Doesn't mean you didn't want to

1247
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 3: win early, but you want to win it in your

1248
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: terms and your way and like on your timeline. And

1249
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 3: then you get to be thirty and now it's all

1250
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 3: about winning. Yeah, And you know, I think that they're

1251
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: you're always trying to so those different timelines of young.

1252
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: Players and veteran players. I mean when we when we.

1253
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: Had Paul, Ray and KG together, they were all in

1254
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 3: the same place. You know, we had to like work

1255
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 3: Perking there and he was a young player. We had

1256
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 3: to get Rondo in there, who was a very young

1257
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 3: player and having success. But having those three guys like

1258
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 3: you know, helped Rondo mature faster.

1259
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 4: Tell me how did that, Like, at what point when

1260
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 4: you was putting it together, did it come like, okay,

1261
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 4: like I can go get a Kevin Garnett and Ray

1262
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 4: Allen Like being in the general manager and setting it up,

1263
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 4: At what point did you say, Okay, I'm gonna try

1264
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 4: and do this and try and make this work. And

1265
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 4: then to that point, like how did you know like, okay, man,

1266
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 4: I'm about to get this done. What was that going

1267
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 4: to like bringing them together?

1268
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 3: Well, when I felt like I owed it to Paul

1269
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 3: because Paul had been a team guy, he'd been a

1270
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 3: real good soldier for us, and he sat out the

1271
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 3: second half of two thousand and seven just with an injury.

1272
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 3: We had talked like if I can't get it done

1273
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 3: this year for you, like then I'll try to get

1274
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 3: you to a team that can has a chance to win,

1275
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 3: and so we had that arrangement. And so never did

1276
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 3: I think KG was going to be available or Ray

1277
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 3: Allen was going to be available. But Ray Allen, you know,

1278
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 3: new ownership there to new management in Seattle, they were

1279
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 3: getting a high draft pick. So what happened was we

1280
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 3: made a deal for KG. But I wasn't going to

1281
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 3: pay the price to get KG if KG wasn't going

1282
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 3: to commit to us long term. So KG needed to

1283
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 3: sign an extension and we needed a five year commitment

1284
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: out of KG, and he had one year left on

1285
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 3: his deal. And KG looked at our team and just went,

1286
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 3: can't do it any I could like me and Paul alone,

1287
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,479
Speaker 3: It's just not enough for us to get it done.

1288
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: And so I understood.

1289
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 3: So then I had this deal for KG with Minnesota,

1290
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 3: and so I couldn't get KG to commit to us.

1291
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: So I went and got Ray, having no idea. Now

1292
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 3: I gave away the number five pick which was part

1293
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 3: of the KG package, So I.

1294
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 2: Have no idea how I'm gonna get KG. But I

1295
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: got Ray, okay, and maybe now with Paul and Ray, KG.

1296
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 3: Will want to come. And sure enough, as soon as

1297
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 3: we got Ray, Kg's like I'm on board.

1298
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 2: Now, I'm all in. I want to get there.

1299
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 3: So then I spent the next couple of months trying

1300
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 3: to figure out another way to get KG, and it

1301
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 3: just worked out. Just share luck and it worked, and

1302
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: you know, we had a great six year run.

1303
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 2: I was that's the winning championship and the winning beating

1304
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: the Lakers.

1305
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 4: And you that now you like, this is for you.

1306
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 4: You done it as a player, but now you and

1307
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 4: that you know, you put this team together. You the architecte.

1308
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know what's different as a player.

1309
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 3: You know, like players are like mostly about themselves. I

1310
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 3: mean like they're looking after their own careers and and

1311
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 3: uh like how it impacts them doesn't mean that they

1312
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 3: don't care about their teammates. But when you're an executive,

1313
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 3: like you see the impact that so many people have. Yes,

1314
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 3: nobody has more of an impact than Paul Ray and KG,

1315
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 3: but you see the stories of Leon Poe and Eddie

1316
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: House and James Posey and Doc Rivers and Big Baby

1317
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 3: yeah right on down the line. Like yeah, and then

1318
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 3: you see all the people around the organization that have

1319
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 3: been there and all the things that they do to

1320
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 3: make it all work. You know, as an executive, you

1321
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 3: know all these things, and so it's it's actually more

1322
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 3: rewarding just because there's so many people that are involved

1323
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 3: in making that happen. So from that standpoint, it was

1324
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 3: it was fun for me to see Doc be able

1325
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 3: to celebrate a championship.

1326
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 2: It was fun for me to be able to.

1327
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 3: See Eddie House you get a championship, and I mean

1328
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: just but the whole team it was and and for

1329
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 3: Paul Ray and kg to you know.

1330
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: To get that threshold that monkey off their.

1331
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 3: Back of being championship players because all of them were

1332
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 3: coming from lottery teams.

1333
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: As an executive, it's it's more fun just because there's

1334
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 2: more joy to share with everybody.

1335
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: I think, what does it mean to you to be

1336
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: a Celtic to be a part of their history. When

1337
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to go down there and try

1338
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: out for the Celtics, uh, I was there for like

1339
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: two months just to walk into the practice facility, it

1340
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: feels you can feel the history seeing the banners up

1341
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: and the old with stains on it and all that stuff.

1342
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: But how is it for you to just be a

1343
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: Celtic and be a part of that brotherhood?

1344
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it's I think it's it's brings a

1345
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: lot of joy. You know.

1346
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 3: When I was a young player, I obviously grew up,

1347
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 3: Like I told you, the Celtics and the Lakers were

1348
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 3: the teams, and so I grew up watching them play,

1349
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 3: mostly rooting for the Lakers, but like having this amazing

1350
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 3: amount of respect for the Celtics, and then getting there

1351
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 3: and getting to know Tommy Heinzen and Casey I already

1352
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 3: knew Casey Jones, but all the veteran players, all the

1353
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: historical players there. John Haliicek like took me under his

1354
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 3: wing and taught me a lot when I was there

1355
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 3: as a player, as a young player, and that meant

1356
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 3: a lot.

1357
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: But those guys were all around, they were around the organization.

1358
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: They'd come in and be part of our team, and

1359
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty cool. Like all these guys'

1360
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: numbers in the rafters and they're still part of the

1361
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: community and still part of the history. And I think

1362
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: that was the best part of it, was just getting

1363
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: to know all of them and hear all of their

1364
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: stories and all of their perspectives of the NBA and

1365
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: NBA life and how to become as good a player.

1366
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 4: Not trying to give away your trade secrets, but you

1367
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 4: being you know, you've been executive for a year and

1368
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 4: like a lot of people would be afraid to pull

1369
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 4: the trigger on some of the you know, big big

1370
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 4: moves like you know, moving the Big three, the KG

1371
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 4: and Paul making that trade, moving some of the deals

1372
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 4: you've done in Utah. Like what is it that makes

1373
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 4: you fearless to do some of those things? And I

1374
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 4: mean for the most part, they've all worked out as

1375
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 4: well too.

1376
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 2: Oh well, you know what, they don't all work out.

1377
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 3: I mean from it's like it's like it's like shooting,

1378
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 3: you know, like you're you're a shooter.

1379
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 2: You just you gotta take the shot.

1380
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 3: Right, you know, you can't be afraid to shoot. And

1381
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 3: it's not any different. You gotta there's times where it's

1382
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 3: easier to not take the shot. Yeah, it's easier to

1383
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 3: pass it off. Then you know it's not your responsibility.

1384
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 3: But I've always been one that wants the shot. I've

1385
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 3: always been the one that been unafraid. I can deal

1386
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 3: with need that comes my direction. And that's part of

1387
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 3: not having not making a successful trade or becoming a

1388
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 3: successful player. You got to can't be afraid for the

1389
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 3: criticism that might come with doing bad deals. But maybe

1390
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 3: it's just because I'm old and I like I'm not

1391
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 3: I haven't a reason to be afraid anymore.

1392
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 2: Translation, shoot, you don't know. No, this is a shooter,

1393
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 2: shoot right shooter. Shooter most shooters can put? Can you put?

1394
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 4: I'm just getting into God, so I'm about to I'm

1395
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 4: about to see about all that. I'm dead terrible now,

1396
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 4: but I haven't gotten to the whole point to where

1397
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 4: I'm all immersed anymore.

1398
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: You should be able to put. I should be.

1399
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 4: Able to I just got measured for my my uh

1400
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 4: my club. So okay, I'm ready now good. You can't put, though,

1401
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 4: because you ain't no shooter. Is there a trade that

1402
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 4: you almost could have made that you regret didn't happen,

1403
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 4: or one that you did make that that you regret

1404
01:07:58,640 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 4: you did.

1405
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: I can't tell you those ones.

1406
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 4: I know it could have been some some some groundbreaking

1407
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 4: stuff could have happened.

1408
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1409
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 3: Read once told me when I first got the job

1410
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 3: in Boston. He said, some of the best trades I

1411
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 3: ever made were the ones that I wasn't able to make.

1412
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I can say that, but there's yeah,

1413
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 3: there was, there's there there's been. There was a time

1414
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 3: when we were you know, like I was trying to

1415
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 3: get Jimmy Butler from Chicago when I was in Boston,

1416
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 3: but they wanted a lot and so we didn't do

1417
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 3: it because it would have and it ended up would

1418
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 3: have been Jaylen and Jason.

1419
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: Oh wow, both those draft picks we got Jaylen and

1420
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 2: Jason with.

1421
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 3: So that was one that like I loved Jimmy and

1422
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 3: was trying to get him, could have drafted Jimmy late.

1423
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 2: I liked him even then, but like now he'd be

1424
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 2: proven that how good of a player he was. And yeah, yeah,

1425
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 2: that was probably one.

1426
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: So now you're done transition over working in the office

1427
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: with the Utah Jazz. How is that transition for you

1428
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: to move to Utah, had the family down there now,

1429
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: as you say, and just being in the Utah Jazz organization.

1430
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a little bit different role for meing Darius.

1431
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 2: It's a role where I.

1432
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 3: Feel like I'm advising coaches owners. The owner is a

1433
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 3: very good friend of mine. I probably wouldn't have gotten back.

1434
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 3: I really had no intention of getting back into the

1435
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 3: game when I left Boston. I was going to head

1436
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 3: out to Utah and do a lot more family things,

1437
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 3: watch my cougars, you know, soccer teams and volleyball teams out,

1438
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 3: but play lots of golf with Ryan Smith, who bought

1439
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 3: the team, and I've known him for about fifteen years

1440
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 3: before I just he talked me into doing it, and

1441
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 3: you know, we talked about what I wouldn't do and

1442
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 3: what I would do, and so it's not as grueling

1443
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 3: as the job that I had in Boston. It's fun

1444
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 3: to be involved in the game, and I really enjoy

1445
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 3: working with Brian and getting to know all the all

1446
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 3: the staff and a new young head coach. Yeah, and

1447
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 3: a wonderful front off of staff that I'm trying to

1448
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 3: help train up for the next big championship run in.

1449
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 2: Utah, trying to make something special in Utah.

1450
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: You don't play with a lot of teammates over your career.

1451
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: First ballots, and if you had to pick four other

1452
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,600
Speaker 1: players out of all the teammates you'd never played with

1453
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: in your NBA career, who would be the four other

1454
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: players that you will play with?

1455
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 4: Oh wow, it's gonna be one for the record, But

1456
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 4: were keeping it. We're gonna put together I.

1457
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 3: Mean, it would be hard for me not to not

1458
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 3: to just pick my four Celtics teammates in eighty six

1459
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 3: you know, just DJ and Chief and Kevin and Larry.

1460
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 3: I mean they were just special people. Special All four

1461
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 3: were first ballot guys. But I mean, like I said, Barkley,

1462
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 3: you know belongs in there. Drexler, I played with him,

1463
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 3: he was running up MVP the year we played the

1464
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 3: finals against Michael that year. Terry Porter Dan Marley like

1465
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 3: I've had I've had a lot of great teammates. Yes, yeah,

1466
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 3: but that eighty sixteen was pretty special.

1467
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: So you'll go with that. Cool.

1468
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of level of basketball, like you

1469
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: played in the eighties and nineties, you coached in the

1470
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 1: two thousands, the GM and the late late two thousand

1471
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: or whatever. To see how the game has evolved, See

1472
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: how the game has changed from you giving the big

1473
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: man the ball all the time under the goal to

1474
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: more gore play, more shooting threes.

1475
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 2: What do you think? How is the game evolving and

1476
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: how's the game doing right now?

1477
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 3: I think the game is in a great place. I mean,

1478
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 3: the NBA is as healthy as it's ever been. I

1479
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,719
Speaker 3: think that there's you know, you're always trying to figure

1480
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 3: out what's the next part of the NBA, what's the

1481
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 3: next phase, to try to stay ahead with the game

1482
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: as it evolves.

1483
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: But you know, I'd like ask you guys a question.

1484
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 3: Do you think that Patrick Ewing and a Keema Lajawan

1485
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 3: and Shaquille O'Neal would be great players in today's game?

1486
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, I think so too. And so like you know,

1487
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: like I hear this that you know, like, well, they

1488
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,839
Speaker 2: couldn't play because they you know, they can't play outside.

1489
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 3: No, the game changes and players different. And and by

1490
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 3: the way, those guys just like I was a good

1491
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 3: shooter coming off screens, shooting fifty percent, those guys are

1492
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 3: shooting sixty percent.

1493
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 2: In the bakers. There's always a place.

1494
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 3: For guys that can score with efficiency in the low post,

1495
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 3: no matter what your team is. And you know, but

1496
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 3: I give credit to the Steph Curries of the world

1497
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 3: to change the game and their shooting is so spectacular,

1498
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 3: and Klay Thompson and many others, Damian Lillard, Yeah, a

1499
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 3: lot of guys out there that are you know, change

1500
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 3: the game and the three point shot and how it's evolved.

1501
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, I still think that there there is a

1502
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 3: way to play the game that teams had success in

1503
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 3: the nineties and in the two thousands, But the game

1504
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,560
Speaker 3: today is just different. And once Lebron it wasn't that

1505
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 3: long ago. I mean, think about this, Andrew Bogit was

1506
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 3: the number one defensive player in the NBA. Mos Gov

1507
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 3: is the starting center for the Cleveland Cavaliers. They get

1508
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 3: to the finals, and those guys don't get in the game,

1509
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 3: and so like the game has changed, almost like it.

1510
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 3: But I don't think it has to change. I think

1511
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 3: those guys still can play. But because you got Igodala,

1512
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 3: who is a very unique player, and you got Lebron

1513
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 3: who can play any position on the court, there's still

1514
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 3: room for ways.

1515
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 2: That the game was played.

1516
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 3: Obviously, the three point line is a big evolution and

1517
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 3: will continue to be. But I think that there's ways

1518
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 3: to score points in the paint efficiently that not very

1519
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 3: many teams are able to use except jokicchen Embiid.

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01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 4: Right now, you being a shooter like me, confident volume shooter,

1521
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 4: have you ever a like we know it couldn't happen,

1522
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 4: and we know it is it is, But have you

1523
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 4: ever like you know, fell asleep on the couch with

1524
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 4: your grandkids and had a dream like you could have

1525
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 4: played in this era of the ability to just jack

1526
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 4: them up the way like you know, we like you

1527
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 4: was way before me, so it definitely wasn't even as

1528
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 4: leanan as it was when I was there. But we,

1529
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,560
Speaker 4: you know, we get snatched out the game for a

1530
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 4: lot of these shots that's being taken out, Like, could

1531
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 4: you imagine you being able to play with this type

1532
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 4: of freedom just to get up nineteen eighteen three point attempts.

1533
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 2: And just just to get up all those shots like that? Well,

1534
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 2: just like you guys probably still have dreams of playing exactly.

1535
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not going to happen.

1536
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if I had a dream about the

1537
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 3: different eras, but like I still dreamed about playing.

1538
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 2: And there's nothing like playing.

1539
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 3: People always ask me, like, what you know, playing with

1540
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 3: the different teams you played on and coaching and being

1541
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 3: an executive.

1542
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 2: There's nothing like playing.

1543
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 3: Playing is like you know, like there's stress, there's ups

1544
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 3: and downs and tough times, et cetera, But yeah, there's

1545
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 3: nothing playing.

1546
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 2: Did you ever think that Kareem record would be broken?

1547
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 3: I did not, No, I didn't know, But I remember

1548
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 3: the first time I saw Lebron play, he was playing

1549
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 3: against Carmelo in a high school game and I made

1550
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 3: the comment at that time, and I got a lot

1551
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 3: of criticism about I said, I've trade all but five players.

1552
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 2: In the league right now, and I think it was

1553
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 2: Kobe and Dirk and Tim Duncan and you know, Overlorming.

1554
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 3: People thought you're crazy. This kid's seventeen years old. So

1555
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: they came back to me a couple of years later

1556
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 3: and said, like, you know, you're you were right like Lebron.

1557
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 2: I go, No, I wasn't right. I should have said

1558
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 2: I would trade any one of them right for Lebron.

1559
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 3: But I mean the fact that he's been able to

1560
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 3: be as healthy and great for so many years means

1561
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 3: a lot, Like I mean, his durability has been incredible

1562
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 3: under Yeah, and he's I mean, obviously he's a he's

1563
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:56,759
Speaker 3: a fantastic player.

1564
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 1: You got at least play twenty years and at a

1565
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 1: high level to even getting near the record, And yeah, what.

1566
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 4: That being said for him to be the guy to

1567
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 4: do it when we know him as a passer, Yeah,

1568
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 4: that's what's like the most impressive.

1569
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 2: Because I still haven't heard.

1570
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 4: Anybody like analyze him and category like he's the score

1571
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 4: he's the all time greatest scorer. And he's never been

1572
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 4: referred to as a scorer. He's been referred to as

1573
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 4: an ultimate teammate. I'd rather play with him because he's

1574
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 4: going to pass the ball and all of this stuff.

1575
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,640
Speaker 4: But he's the all time lead. That's the most unbelievable

1576
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 4: part of it. That he's known as this ultimate passer.

1577
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 4: He's been known as that team got past got a

1578
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 4: whole career, and he's the gut to go break the

1579
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 4: all time scoring record.

1580
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. So look, I like to ask this

1581
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: question for you.

1582
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 4: It was probably a little different because you was playing

1583
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 4: pro baseball while you was still in college, So I

1584
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 4: don't know, like, when you got the money and start

1585
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 4: getting paid, what did young Danny Ainge do to treat himself? Like,

1586
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 4: like you said, you was making more than your coach

1587
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 4: at one point, what was you whipping was you?

1588
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: Well?

1589
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 2: Nothing? So, man, I bought a yellow Dasher. You guys

1590
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 2: don't even know what that is. It's a hatchbag Volks.

1591
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1592
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 3: So I bought it at a car auction for a

1593
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 3: couple thousand bucks and in Utah when I got some money,

1594
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 3: but I bought a condo that I lived in, uh

1595
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 3: and I just invested my money. I mean I was

1596
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 3: I was not that way. I was really conservative. I

1597
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 3: didn't have much growing up, and I always thought that

1598
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 3: that contract was going to be my last.

1599
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going to happen.

1600
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 3: But my father suffered an ACL injury and like his

1601
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: career was cut short just like that. And so I

1602
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 3: think all those things impacted me. I got married at

1603
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 3: a young age, I had children. I have nineteen grandchildren now,

1604
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 3: and so yeah, I wasn't really.

1605
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 4: I wasn't a spender, all right, man, been dope, man.

1606
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 4: We appreciate the legend coming up. Appreciate you guys, yes sir,

1607
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 4: tune in.

1608
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:11,200
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