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Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome to the Daily zeitgeis for today.

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Speaker 1: It is Monday, February nine. It is President's Day, and

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Speaker 1: we want to give you all, guys a special episode

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Speaker 1: of I Guess, a dramatic reading of the iconic Quincy

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Speaker 1: Jones Vulture interview, along with a couple added segments from

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Speaker 1: a great interview he also did with g Q magazine

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Speaker 1: the week prior to that that was also kind of

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Speaker 1: slept on. So we'll get some stuff that you've heard,

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Speaker 1: some stuff that you haven't heard. But let's not waste

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Speaker 1: any time. Let's get into it. I am Miles Gray.

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Speaker 1: I will be reading the part Quincy Jones, and I

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Speaker 1: am joined by Hi. This is Anna host Nan. I

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Speaker 1: will be reading the part of the interviewer. That is

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Speaker 1: amazing and just full disclosure, Anna is a professionally trained actor.

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Speaker 1: Um so I'm a little bit intimidated because her acting

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Speaker 1: talks so much better. But without further ado, this is Quincy.

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Speaker 1: So you worked with Michael Johnson more than anyone. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't What's something people don't understand about him? Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: I hate to get into this public but Michael stole

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff and he stole a lot of

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Speaker 1: songs like State of Independence, Billy Jean Nose, Don't lie Man.

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Speaker 1: He was as Mackievellian as they come. How so greedy man, greedy,

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Speaker 1: don't stop t gad enough, Greg filling ganness Man. He

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Speaker 1: wrote the C section and that's not a procedure, the

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Speaker 1: C section of the song. And Michael should have given

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Speaker 1: him ten percent of the song. He wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: What about outside the music? What's misunderstood about Michael? I

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Speaker 1: used to kill Hi about the class surgery man, and

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Speaker 1: he'd always justified and say it was because of some

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Speaker 1: disease he had. Bullshit. How much were his problems wrapped

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Speaker 1: up with fa I mean the way he looked, and

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Speaker 1: he had a problem with his looks because his father

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Speaker 1: told him he was ugly and abused. And what do

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Speaker 1: you expect? It's such a strange struct position. How Michael's

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Speaker 1: music was so joyous, but his life just seems sadder

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Speaker 1: and more as time goes. Yes, but at the end

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Speaker 1: of Michael's problem, it was proper fault. And that problem

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Speaker 1: affects everyone. Doesn't matter if you're famous, big farmer making

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Speaker 1: oxycon and all that ship is a serious thing. I

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Speaker 1: was around the White House for eight years with the Clintons,

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Speaker 1: and I learned about how much influence Big Farmer has.

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Speaker 1: It's no joke. What's your sign? Man? Me too? It's

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Speaker 1: a great sign. You just mentioned the Clintons. We're friends

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Speaker 1: of yours. Why is there still such a visceral dislike

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Speaker 1: of them? What are other people not singing Hillary for example?

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Speaker 1: That you well, it's because there's a side of her.

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Speaker 1: When you keep secrets, they backfire, like what secret? And

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Speaker 1: this is something I shouldn't be talking about. You sure

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Speaker 1: seem to know a lot. I know too much, man,

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Speaker 1: what's something you wish you did it? Though? Who killed Kennedy?

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Speaker 1: Who did it? Joan Conna? The connection was there between

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Speaker 1: Sinatra and the mafia and Kennedy? I mean Joe Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: He was a bad man. He came to Frank to

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Speaker 1: have him talk to Jian Conna about getting votes. I've

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Speaker 1: heard this theory before. The mob helped win Illinois for Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: In Look, we shouldn't talk about this publicly. Where are

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Speaker 1: you from Toronto? I was at the Massy Hall show, really,

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Speaker 1: the Charlie Parker concert with Mingus and those guys. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I saw the contract after the whole band made eleven dollars.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. At the time, it was just

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Speaker 1: another gig. It wasn't historical like with Woodstock. Tito Plante

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Speaker 1: told me he wanted to go out to that gig.

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Speaker 1: Those festivals ain't my thing. See Elon Musk keeps trying

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Speaker 1: to get me to go to Burning Man. No thank you.

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Speaker 1: But who knew that wood Stock would turn out to

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Speaker 1: what it would be? You know, Jimmy Hendricks was out

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Speaker 1: there fucking up the National Anthem. Wasn't Hendricks supposed to

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Speaker 1: play on the Cool Matari, but he was supposed to

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Speaker 1: play on my album, and he chickened out that he

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Speaker 1: was nervous to play with two Steelman's and Herbie Hancock,

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Speaker 1: Hubrew Lewis, Roland Kirk. Those are some scary motherfucker's. Okay

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Speaker 1: Tooth is one of the greatest soloists that ever fucking lived,

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Speaker 1: and the cast on my records were the baddest cast

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Speaker 1: in the world. And Hendricks and he didn't want to

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Speaker 1: heard rock and rock ain't nothing but a white version

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Speaker 1: of rhythm and blues? Motherfucker? You know. I met Paul

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Speaker 1: worst bass player I ever heard, and Ringo don't even

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Speaker 1: George did, and Ringo says that didn't sound too bad,

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Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, motherfucker, because it ain't you great

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Speaker 1: guy though we're already rocky SI you thought were good?

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Speaker 1: Who I used to like Clapton's band, what were they called? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: just like Hendrix, Paul Allen stopping the Microsoft. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I went on a trip on his yacht and he

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Speaker 1: had David Crosby, Joe Walsh, Sean Lennon, all those crazy motherfucker's.

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Speaker 1: Then on the last two days, Stevie Wonder came out

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Speaker 1: with him. He is good man. You hang out on

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Speaker 1: these elite social circles and doing good has always been

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Speaker 1: important too. But are you seeing as much concerned for

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Speaker 1: the or as you'd like from the ultra rich. No,

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Speaker 1: the rich aren't doing enough. They don't care. I came

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Speaker 1: See these other people, they don't know what it feels

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Speaker 1: like to be born, so they don't care. You ever had, Sashimi.

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Speaker 1: Are we in a better place as a country than

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Speaker 1: we were when you started doing humanitarian work fifty years ago? No?

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Speaker 1: You see where the worst we've ever been. But that's

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Speaker 1: why we're seeing people try and fix it. Feminism. Women

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Speaker 1: are saying they're not gonna take it anymore. Racism, people

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Speaker 1: are fighting it. God is pushing the bad in our face.

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Speaker 1: To make people fight back. We've obviously been learning more

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Speaker 1: lately about how corrosive the entertainment can be for women.

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Speaker 1: As someone who's worked in that business at the highest

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Speaker 1: come as a surprise. No, Man, women had to put

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Speaker 1: up with that fucked up ship. Women and brothers. See,

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Speaker 1: we're both dealing with the glass cinemas. But what about

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Speaker 1: the alleged behavior of a friend of yours like Phil

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Speaker 1: cost I don't know. Is it hard to square what

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Speaker 1: he's been accused of with the person you know? See?

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Speaker 1: It was all of them, Ratt, Ratner, Weinstein, Man, White Stee.

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Speaker 1: He's a job motherfucker wouldn't return my five calls, and

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Speaker 1: he's a fucking bully? What about Cosby? What about it?

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Speaker 1: For the allegations of surprise to man, we can't talk

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Speaker 1: about this in public, man, I'm sorry to jump around. Man,

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Speaker 1: completely different. You really Matt Lenny rite Installed. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: make it up. I've been a fan of her since

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Speaker 1: trying for the Will. I mean that woman was one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest filmmakers that ever lived. She knew I

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Speaker 1: She wanted me to have lunch with her. And that's

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Speaker 1: because I knew all about her. She was Girbel's girlfriend. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he was like the publicist of the Third Right, you know,

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Speaker 1: and she looked like Hetty Lamar when she was young.

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Speaker 1: She said she used two hundred eleven cameras. I said why.

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Speaker 1: She says, we were doing a regroupment film for Hitler.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna tell Hitler one more time. Made

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Speaker 1: She told me everybody in the Third Right was on cocaine.

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Speaker 1: and they used to do that too. They take cocaine

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Speaker 1: because it raised the propensity for violence from the primate brain.

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Speaker 1: And that's the primate in us, the four fs, Fright, Fight, Flight,

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Speaker 1: is heavy cocaine. Of course, man, she was Gebel's girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: So how does she think it affected hit with her?

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Speaker 1: Well ship, the history proves how it affected him. He

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Speaker 1: part of the horror Nazism was just down to cocaine.

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Speaker 1: I think it had a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 1: When she said that, it opened up a door for

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Speaker 1: me because I've been around that ship my whole life.

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Speaker 1: Some people would be judgmental about having lunch with someone

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Speaker 1: come on, give me a fucking break, man, please. This

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Speaker 1: It was never political. It was about her passion for

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Speaker 1: she never got passionate about what the Third Reich was doing.

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Speaker 1: She wasn't into it, I could tell. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: A is us. If you could snap your fingers and

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Speaker 1: I've been watching a long time the thirties too. Now

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Speaker 1: we've come a long way but we've got a long

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Speaker 1: but you know where you stand. The racism in the

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Speaker 1: why what's happening now is good because people are saying

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Speaker 1: they're racist. Who didn't used to say it? Now we

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Speaker 1: trump Man's Trump and uneducated rednecks, and Trump is just

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Speaker 1: telling them what they want to hear. I used to

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Speaker 1: hang out with him. He's a crazy motherfucker, limited mentally,

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Speaker 1: a megalomaniac and narcissistic. I can't stand him. I used

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Speaker 1: to date ave uncle. You know, Yes, sir, twelve years ago,

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Speaker 1: Tommy Hill Figger, who was working with my daughter Codada,

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Speaker 1: said Ivanka wants to have dinner with you. I said,

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Speaker 1: no problem. She's a fine motherfucker. She had the most

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Speaker 1: beautiful legs I ever saw in my life. Wrong, father, though,

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Speaker 1: who'd your something? I don't think she should run. I

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Speaker 1: mean she didn't have the chops for it. If you

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Speaker 1: haven't been governor of a state, or the CEO of

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Speaker 1: a company or a military general, you don't know how

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Speaker 1: to lead people. She is the CEO of a company. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: a symphony conductor knows more about how to lead the

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Speaker 1: most business people more than Trump does. He doesn't know ship.

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Speaker 1: I mean, someone who knows about real leadership wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: as many people against him like he does. He's a

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Speaker 1: fucking idiot. You get a sudoku. It's Hollywood is bad

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Speaker 1: when you started scoring films, you'd hear producers say things

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Speaker 1: like you didn't want to lose the score, which was

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Speaker 1: clearly Are you still encountering that kind of racism? And

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Speaker 1: it's still fund up nineteen sixty four. When I was

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Speaker 1: in Vegas, Uh, there were places I wasn't supposed to

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Speaker 1: go because I was black. But Frank Sinatra he fixed

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