1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Coming to you from fabulous Las Vegas. The right side 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: is the winning side. The late move is the correct move. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Sports betting capital of the world. We all know when 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: a sharp like me weighs in the lines move, it's 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: a party for your ears. This is the Buffet with 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Chad and Scooch. I want to buy that guy at buffet. 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Buffet with Chad and Scooch. I 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: am Chad Millman's of the Action Network. Scooch is, as 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: you all know, elusive and a man who operates of 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: his own volition, time and rules, and he's just not available. 11 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: You know, he's probably summering it is Italian Villa, but 12 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: he's not gonna be in the podcast today. It doesn't 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: matter because today's episode is so chock full of epic nous. 14 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: It honestly captures everything that we are trying to do 15 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: at the Action Network, which is our nascent company focused 16 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: on sports betting, and all of the attendant joys that 17 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: come with it. The conversation, the risk taking nature of 18 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: betting itself, the community that has evolved over the years 19 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: um of people who have longed for places to talk 20 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: about this kind of stuff and connect with other people 21 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: who talk about this kind of stuff. Uh. And there 22 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: is an event going on that was created by three 23 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: guys in our universe um Adam Levitan, Peter Jennings Jonathan Bales, 24 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: the latter two founders of Fantasy Labs, which is part 25 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: of the Action Network. Uh. They created an event called 26 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: the Gambling Olympics, which, for anybody who likes to at 27 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: on anything, is kind of like, um, it is like 28 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: Nirvana because they are doing all the things that everybody 29 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: wishes they could do, and they're doing it over three 30 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: days in Las Vegas, sponsored by the Action Network. Bowloads 31 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: of content you can find at Action network dot com 32 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: slash Gambling hyphen Olympics. Uh. Fellas, I have all three 33 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: of them on the call today. Levitan, I'm gonna start 34 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: with you break down for me how the Gambling Olympics 35 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: came to be. It's so funny. You know, I told 36 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: my family I have to go to Vegas for work, 37 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: and they're like, they understand. You know, It's like, oh, 38 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: Adams going to Vegas for work. That's fine. And then 39 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: slowly it's come out what I'm actually doing out there, 40 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: and um, it's a little bit off the rails. But 41 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: but here's here's what we're doing. Basically, just had the 42 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: idea to get a bunch of guys who loved to gamble, 43 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: who loved it bet on stuff, get them all in 44 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: a house um and kind of see what happens and 45 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: see what happens around this twelve event Gambling Olympics. Twelve 46 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: events that we came up with that we think are 47 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: um skill based in at least some sense. So games 48 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: like yacht sie and Connect four and DFS and poker 49 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: are for examples of four of the events. You'll get 50 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: points for each event that you win, place, show, et cetera. 51 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: And then we'll crown a gold medal winner at the 52 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: end of the Gambling Olympics. So it's pretty similar and 53 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: we're pretty confident that one day it will be bigger 54 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: than the real Olympics. I have no doubt. Like this 55 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: is all generational, right, you know, if you look back, 56 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: like you know, it took the NFL fifty years from 57 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: the time that was founded until like it really became 58 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: America's most popular sport e sports like started really in 59 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies and evolved into something today that is 60 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: a massive industry. The Gambling Olympics you know, by the 61 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: time we reach uh, what is this year, By the 62 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: time we my prediction, I'd like to hear Levitan, Jonathan Bales, 63 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: and Peter Jennings uh weigh in on this. My prediction 64 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: gambling Olympics is a serious thing that has national television coverage. 65 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: I'll take the under on in terms of when this 66 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: becomes a nationally televised massive event. I think the way 67 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: the future is gonna look as events like this are 68 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: gonna be very prominent. And let's face it, this is 69 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: something that literally anyone can compete in, and I think 70 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: everyone would want to be involved in something like this. 71 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: So I agree with you. It's gonna take some time, certainly, 72 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: you know, I think we have a good start here, 73 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: but long term, I could see athletes, I could see celebrities, 74 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: I could see a variety of characters competing in something 75 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: like this. So I'll take the under. But I'm glad 76 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: you have confidence, Chad, A lot of confidence, my friend. Uh, Levitan, 77 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: where are you thing? I actually think that this is 78 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: going to be really huge and because of just what 79 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: I've seen from the reaction from our audience in the past, right, 80 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: like we have done all kinds of things with football 81 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: and with dfs. You know, Peter has been on Sports 82 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: Center and we have these podcasts and everything, and they're 83 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: popular for sure. I don't get any type of reaction 84 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: like I get when I play a guy with a 85 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: frying pan and people watch. Um, I don't get the 86 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: same reaction. Me and Bales run a one mile race 87 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: against each other in Florida. That's what really got people talking. 88 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: That got everybody excited. Everywhere I go, people are asking 89 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: me about these props and my strategy and all that. 90 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, while everybody is doing you know, football content 91 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, Um, this is I think unique 92 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: and and I think you're right. It speaks to people 93 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: from a generational basis where this is what people are 94 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: gonna be interested in the future. So so yeah, you know, 95 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: I think is reasonable. And maybe the under is a 96 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: is a good bet as well. Yeah, I think, uh 97 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: that's uh so. So I think we're all gonna be 98 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: dead by then. I don't think we'll will see it happen. 99 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: But I think the general trend of like, um, people 100 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: sort of having like downside on their beliefs or actions 101 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: or things that they want to do is is uh 102 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: is something that's happening. That's why we do a lot 103 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: of these bets. We do a lot of ridiculous bets, 104 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: but we also do UM bets that are good for us. 105 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: We have like a no car bet right now, we 106 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: have a beer bet. We do a lot of fitness props. 107 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: And the reason is because we have downside and we 108 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: want to improve our lives. And I think that that 109 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: trend of UM implementing downside uh to whatever it is 110 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: you are accomplishing your life is something that will happen 111 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: more and more, um, you know, over over the next 112 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: couple of decades. So UM, that's a very earnest answer 113 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: about how you guys approach all of these all of 114 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: these bets in take me through through each of the 115 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: events you talked about. For the events that I just 116 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: want to frame this for people, like gambling, Olympics, twelve participants, 117 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: each person is paying, is buying in at Bucks. There's 118 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: gonna be twelve of you living in a house for 119 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: three days. You're gonna compete in twelve different events. Levitan, 120 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: like you said points for win place or show. Give 121 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: me the twelve events that you're competing and you've named 122 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: for them. Give me the rest of them really bails 123 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: is the one. He's the one who did them all 124 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: to make sure that he is the big favorite and 125 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: all of them. So all right, here we have we 126 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: have w NBA buddy. All right, Yes I named the four. 127 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: They name four that I named where Sports where, DFS, 128 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: Poker Connect four and yachtsie all I think pretty skill based. 129 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: We're also gonna do a crypto portfolio. Everybody's gonna buy 130 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,119 Speaker 1: one cryptocurrency. Whose ever goes up the most over twenty 131 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: four hour period will win. We will also do sports betting, 132 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: which I think is extremely skill based, as we've shown 133 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: on the Action Network. Um. We are also going to 134 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: do a black jack term in which I actually think 135 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: if everybody going to play, the optimal blackjack strategy probably 136 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: has the least amount, but there will be strategy, and um, 137 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: how much you've been on a hand and kind of 138 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: overarching strategy. I think pretty much everybody going though, is 139 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: well aware of optimal uh blackjack strategy. The one that 140 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm the biggest underdog in for sure is beer pong. 141 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how these meat heads wrote me into 142 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: doing beer pong, but that that is an event. A 143 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: C d C is one of my favorite games. If 144 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: you guys like to gamble, a c doc with your 145 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: friends is one of the most fun games you can play. 146 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: Also called posts or between the sheets rock paper scissors. 147 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: Bails put that in because he considers himself a world 148 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: class rock paper scissors player. I've been battling Bails a 149 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: lot and that recently and have been getting some wins. 150 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm coming in with confidence there. Uh, the second to 151 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: last event will be a lot and thinks if you 152 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 1: listen to the Three Donkeys podcast, you know what A 153 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: lot of things has started in live poker, basically just 154 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: about thinking about how our opponents think instead of like 155 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: the what the right answer is to a question? And 156 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: then one that came up with that I think it's 157 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: interesting is standings predictions. So at the beginning we will 158 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: everyone will project what they think the final standings will 159 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: be of the gambling Olympics. So there's certainly some DFS 160 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: strategy there in terms of be contrarian, whether you want 161 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: to bet on yourself, which I would assume you want 162 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: to try to get double points. But but yeah, there's 163 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: a lot of strategy that goes into that as well. 164 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: And so Jennings, uh give us a rundown of the 165 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: participants and who they are and sort of how this 166 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: community comes together and how it speaks to the pool 167 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: of betters that exists that have been yearning for something 168 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: like this. Absolutely, I think we have a great cast 169 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: and certainly the right types of degenerates and skillful gamblers 170 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: involved in the Gambling Olympics. I'll start with my team. 171 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: Brandon Adams was one of my first picks, or my 172 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: first pick, and Brandon is ex Harvard professor, professional poker player, 173 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: professional DFS player, just a brilliant gambler and I think 174 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: is one of the favorites in the Gambling Olympics. Also, 175 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: Paula Duke of the Action Network might also remember him 176 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: from playing Major League Baseball. Got the best athlete in 177 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: the field by far on my team. And then black 178 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: Track Fletcher, also of the Action Network, who I think 179 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: just is totally the exact kind of person that you 180 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: think of when you think of the Gambling Olympics. On 181 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: Baal's team, Bales has, uh, did you do with Joey Bills? No, 182 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: Joey's on my team, He's on your team. Well, Bales 183 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: has the oddsmaker filling in. He also has UM tell 184 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: people who the oddsmaker is, Shawn Corner. He's the official 185 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: oddsmaker for the Action Network number one. But his sort 186 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: of what is it like? His predictive lineups the last 187 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: three years and the best in fantasy sports? Is that 188 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: what it is? Yeah? So Sean originally was a linesmaker 189 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: and then transition to working at Stats Inc. And is 190 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: really focused on projecting players and fantasy sports, in particular football. 191 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: And he's been the most accurate predictor of fantasy football 192 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: and Fantasy pros the last three years and I believe 193 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: four out of the last five. So he is incredible 194 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: at setting odds. He's done things like set odds on 195 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: DFS Live Finals. Uh. He is a late addition and 196 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: I think he is right there as the favorite. I 197 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: also saw on the Twitter machine that he and his 198 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: wife are playing YACHTSI so he is training. He is 199 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: certainly working hard UM and I think that that was 200 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: a great addition for Bales team UM. In addition to 201 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: that for the Action Networks since he is an officially 202 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: employee now the best addition to the Action Network. I 203 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: don't love that he is. He is incredible. I should 204 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: pull this up to some I have your team left 205 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: and you have Mooney, you have Joey, and you have 206 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: Man's Right. Yeah, you didn't mention Matt Brown and Scott Blumstein. 207 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: Bales also has Scott Blumstein, who won the World Series 208 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: of Poker last year. Pretty nice hit. He's also an 209 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: avid DFS player, and a very good DFS player at that. 210 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: I think he's really really smart and certainly one of 211 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: the favorites in the Gambling Olympic as well. And then 212 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: Matt Brown, who has lived in Vegas and done a 213 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: lot of content around gambling, has experienced in all of 214 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: these events. Is it really strong contestant as well? On 215 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: Adam Levittan's team is Michael Mooney, who is doing a 216 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: story on this. I think Michael is going to be 217 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: a really really good contestant. He's played poker professionally in 218 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: the past. Uh. He's a great guy and I think 219 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: he'll do extremely well. He has Pete Mansonelli, a k 220 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: the man's who's training probably harder than anyone. He is 221 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: the inventor of a physical cryptocurrency. He is a runner 222 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: up finisher in the first ever bro Athalon, and I 223 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: think he might be the biggest grinder in the field 224 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: and finally has Joey Ingram, famous podcaster and poker player 225 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: who is no stranger to prop bets and certainly should 226 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: be a really fun gay uh in, a really fun 227 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: contestant in this event. Alright, So, UM, I have so 228 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: many questions from this. Let's go back to bails for 229 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: a second, because you said something that was really interesting 230 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: me and like, to me, this thing could all could 231 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: all be folly right, Like you can make this whole 232 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: thing funny, and I'm sure we will. We're gonna have 233 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: Matthew Freedman from the Action Network who's on site, like 234 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: doing a live blog. You guys are all gonna be 235 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: tweeting NonStop, not just you guys, but like everybody there 236 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: is gonna be tweeting NonStop and sort of sharing the 237 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: highlights of it. But he said something really interesting like 238 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: betting up, like having downside in these things. And you 239 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: guys do a podcast called Three Donkeys, and um, you 240 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: guys have really in depth conversations about the psychology and 241 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: management of risk in betting. So why do you think 242 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: that is becoming bails more and more popular for people 243 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: to talk about and want to invest in personally? Um? Yeah, 244 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: I think it's uh be something more popular because it's 245 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: the greatest possible motivator for you to do things that 246 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: you want in your life. I've seen a lot of uh, 247 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: like weight loss sites pop up that sort of like 248 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: pit you against someone else and you need to track 249 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: your weight and you can bet actual money on it. Um. 250 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: And I think I saw a study where if you 251 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: post something online, like on social media about something you're 252 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: going to do, you're like almost infinitely more likely to 253 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: do that thing, um, whether it's lose weight or eat 254 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: better or whatever it is. Um. And so I think 255 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: that uh, in general, people are becoming more aware of 256 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: uh yeah, just general psychology around what motivates them and 257 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: uh and trying to sort of leverage that to make 258 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: their lives better. And what do you expect to happen 259 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: when you get out there? Like if you're predicting right now, Levitan, 260 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: who is going to be Like, who's going to be 261 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: the one who's doing so much worse than you could 262 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: have possibly imagined? Uh? You know, one of the things 263 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: I thought about when I was making my team was 264 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: guys who are gonna take it super serious? Right? So 265 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: I could see some guys going out there. Maybe I 266 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't name names, but they're gonna be drinking, they're gonna 267 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: be partying there in Vegas. We have this ridiculous house. 268 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: I wanted all heart on my team, right, so, uh, 269 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: to that end, I think that the man's is gonna 270 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: be all hard. I think Joe Ingraham has a very 271 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: good record in prop betting, he's all hard. And then 272 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: Michael Mooney, who wrote the American Sniper book, and then 273 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: it's following it up by writing about this, which you 274 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: know is obviously questionable. But that said, I think he's 275 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: gonna be all hard too. So I like that a 276 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: lot from my team. I didn't want anybody who's gonna 277 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: be you know, drunk and partying. We're in it to 278 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: win it, baby, So so yeah, there's a decent amount 279 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: of money in the line, and uh, I think that's 280 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: gonna be a deciding factors motivation. What what is the 281 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: total amount that's going to be in the pool a man? 282 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: So thirty K total prize pool and how is the 283 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: price pool broken up for the individual? It is ten k, 284 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,479 Speaker 1: the first six k, a second, four K to third, 285 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: and then the winning team will get tank to be 286 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: divided amongst themselves. That's why you have the team. That's 287 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: what I was gonna ask, Like, what's the purpose of 288 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: having the teams? Yeah, I think having a team component, 289 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: just like you would in the real Olympics. You know, Yeah, 290 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: the Olympians compete for the United States on the stage 291 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: for themselves, but also they're competing for their country, and 292 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: in this case, their country is Team Levitan, Team bails In, 293 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: Team Team Gettings, And it's a lot of pride. There's 294 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: pride on the line here. Yeah, I mean a lot 295 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: of these guys in it are super rich, right, you 296 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: know hashtag how rich that that's not a lot, But 297 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: I think pride is going to motivate certain guys to 298 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: to bigger degrees than others. Though, for sure Jennings, who 299 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: is the richest person competing in the gambling Olympics. Wow, 300 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: that's a really tough question, um right, my deests. Actually, 301 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: it's it's a hard thing. I think the person who 302 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: definitely is going to be willing to invest the most 303 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: on different props and maybe side action is Brandon Adams. 304 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a clear cut favorite. He just played 305 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: a three thousand dollar poker tournament about a month ago. 306 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: He's played extremely high stakes tennis, plays as high stakes 307 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: as anyone in DFS. But Paul Duca is also in 308 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: the major leagues for a long time, and if you 309 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: you can look up the salary that he made, so um, 310 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: those would be my my two leaders. And then also 311 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: I guess Scott he just won seven or eight million 312 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: dollars in the World Series of Poker as well. So, uh, 313 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: there's some affluent people in this. Uh. In the gambling 314 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: Olympics here, all right, so let me go down the line, Bails, 315 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: I'll start with you. What is your threshold for the 316 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: highest limit you would bet on side action in at 317 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: the Gambling Olympics. Um. It would depend on what I 318 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: think my edges. So if I think I got some 319 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: like really good ridiculous that, um it's I would bet 320 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: a lot. I think interla. If it's something that's sort 321 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: of random R like rock paper sisters or something, UM, 322 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, I would play. I would play anyone 323 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: if the if the sample are big enough, if we 324 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: were throwing like a hundred, like best of a hundred 325 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: one or something, I might do like I don't know, 326 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: K or fifty K or something like that. You would 327 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: do fifty k on a side action bet at the 328 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: Gambling Olympics. Yeah, that's actually an offer if anyone wants it. 329 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: That's of a hundred one though, that's of a hundred one. 330 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: What is the first rock papers rock paper scissions? Okay 331 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: you would do? Oh my god? Is it? Levitaner Jennings? 332 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: Are either of you taking Bails up on his best 333 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: of a hundred wins rock paper scissors for fifty grand? 334 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: This is like Bail's specialty, Like you're you're underselling how 335 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: good he thinks he is in this. I'm not sure 336 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: that he is that big of a favorite against competent 337 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: rock paper scissors like myself and Peter. But to his point, 338 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: I think, you know, like if somebody wanted to play 339 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: me and Connect four who hadn't played since they were 340 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: four years older, so you know that there would be 341 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: I would be such a big favorite that I would 342 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: also be want to play for a lot of money. 343 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: We've been in the lab on unconnect for running sims 344 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. We're ready to go there, and 345 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: I think there's actually a lot of strategy in that game. 346 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: So to me, Connect four I think is the one 347 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: where you can actually generate the biggest edge against somebody, 348 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: so there be some some side action there for sure 349 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: to be had if I thought that the person hadn't 350 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: really played since they were a kid. All right. You 351 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: didn't answer the question though, Uh, which is are you 352 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: willing to take bails fifty k side action bet on 353 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: rock paper scissors? No? Thank you? Even if it was 354 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: fifty you know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't go even if 355 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: I thought I was a chance against bales. You know, 356 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: fift K wouldn't be smart in obviously. And what is 357 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: the most you'd be willing to do side action on 358 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: for connect four? Uh? If I had it down for 359 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: sure that the person had in plate since they were 360 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: four years old, yeah, you know, I don't know thirty 361 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: k something like that. I mean it's really a simple 362 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: like math problem, like you know, how much money do 363 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: you have? How big is your edge? And then just 364 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: go from there, all right, Jennings two questions, then three questions. 365 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: One are you willing to take bails on for fifty 366 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: k in Rock paper scissors for side action at the 367 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: Gambling Olympics starting July nine? Find coverage on Action network 368 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: dot com. I would not take at that bet with 369 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: bails unless I was given a price. If I was 370 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: given say plus one ten or one fifteen, meaning that 371 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: he'd have to risk his fifty five thousand to my fifty, 372 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: I would be interested in that bet. Although one thing 373 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: that I think is is very important to think about 374 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: in general with my friends, I try to keep the 375 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: units a lot lower than I would in something that 376 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm really trying to make money, and like, for example, 377 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: in DFS, I'd be happy to risk fifty thousand UM 378 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: if I thought I had a solid r O. I first, 379 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: my friends would be much more hesitant just because of 380 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: the figure with good with good buddies. Alright, so would 381 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: you do thirt k with Levitan and connect four? I 382 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: think we've both been in the lab, so it's a 383 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: it's a solved game ultimately. I don't want to give 384 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: away too much, but it sounds like Levitan is really grinding. 385 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: So I would be very hesitant to do thirty thousand 386 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: verst Levitan and connect for all, right, what is your 387 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: max side action at? And then what event that you're 388 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: willing to proposition your fellow gambling Olympics participants in So 389 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: I like DFS and sports betting a lot. I think 390 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: those would be the two events that I think I 391 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: have a pretty decent edge, especially for some of the 392 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: opponents in the field. And yeah, I mean if I, 393 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: if there's the right person, I would be approaching a 394 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: six figure beat for sure. That's that that would be 395 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: kind of my threshold if I thought I had the 396 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: right r O I. And again Levitan broke it down 397 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: really well. It comes down to what you're expected, our 398 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: oy is and then basically taking what percentage your bankroll 399 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: you're willing to risk UH in that scenario. So I 400 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: think in in DFS in particular, if we're talking like 401 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: obviously going to be baseball in w n b A, 402 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: my edge is smaller than it would be saying like 403 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: the NBA, but there's still certain opponents where I would 404 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: be willing to make a really big bet in that game. 405 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: So you do. So this is great. In the span 406 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: at ten minutes, we now have close to two grand 407 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: on the table inside action bets alone. Forget about the 408 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: thirty that you guys are that the group is collective, 409 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: we're putting in you'll do almost six figures in sort 410 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: of DFS or sports betting. Levitan will do thirty k 411 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: in connect four and Bales will do fifty k and 412 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: rock paper scissors. I feel like we need to collect 413 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: all this information, create more content out of it and 414 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: post it as like the side action bets that are 415 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: already underway or are offered um in the gambling Olympics. 416 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Brandon Adams again, he is the king 417 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: of side bets, so I think that could be someone 418 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: to to really monitor in terms of throwing down some 419 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: some interesting action. There's there's actually already already articles on 420 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: Action Network about some of the side action. There's the 421 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: one about my double bagel tennis bet against Brandon. Peter 422 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: and Baal's have the pull up bet. There's an article 423 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: about the Burro athlon up on Action Network. So we 424 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: have we have Peter over under fifty and a half 425 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: made three pointers, so we already have some some good 426 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: side action going. For sure? Did we list the money 427 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: amounts in those? Like I'm on the site and I 428 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: remember going through those, and I don't remember the money. 429 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: I don't believe we did, but it's fine by me 430 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: if we do. I think we need to what what 431 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: what are the money? What are the money totals? People 432 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: want to know the money, That's what makes the betting interesting. Uh, 433 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: it's not that big. So the double bagel against Brandon Adams, 434 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: I have fifteen hundred. Uh, the bro Athlon, I believe 435 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: it's two k to the winner. The fifty nine and 436 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: a half three pointers for Peter, I have a thousand. 437 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: I believe Peter may have given a couple of a 438 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: couple of other people some action on that as well. 439 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: And then I'm not sure what Peter and Bales have 440 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: on the pull up. That if two thousand on the 441 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: pull up, that between Bales and I I'm getting plus 442 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: seventeen and a half and Chad. One thing, if you 443 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: ever get involved in this stuff, I'd be very cautious 444 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: to do any sort of physical, uh, anything that would 445 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: involve strength with Jonathan Bales. He is nicknamed the Hulk. 446 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: And you say that as if I've never seen Jonathan 447 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: Bale spoken, Jonathan Bale spoken to Jonathan Bales or shaking 448 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: his hand like the guy can barely lift his shoulders 449 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: because his arms are so big. Yeah, it's pretty easy 450 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: to tell. The thing that we're kind of glossing over 451 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: here is it's all about opponents, right, Like a lot 452 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: of these side bets are against really sharp people like 453 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: I would never bet thirty k against Brandon or Peter 454 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: and or Bales and anything, because I know they're super 455 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: sharpen and they were they were going to bet that much, 456 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: they would be extremely prepared. When you say how much 457 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: would I play CONNECT for against somebody for it's all 458 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: about the opponent. That's just like everything in gambling. You know, 459 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: you're only as good as the person you're playing against. 460 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's like, uh, certain people are really good 461 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: at high school basketball or something, and then all of 462 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: a sudden they go to college and they can't play. 463 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: You know, It's just all about opponents, just like a 464 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: lot of things in life. What do you mean you've 465 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: been in the lab? Would Connect four? So I don't 466 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: want to give too much away, but there has been 467 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: a lot written about optimal connect for strategy. There's an 468 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: M I T paper out there. I know some people 469 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: have read. And then there's some apps you can run 470 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: UM and play the computer and stuff like that and 471 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: kind of see what you should be doing and where 472 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: you should be going in certain situations, and you know, 473 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: setting up traps and just having a strategy just like 474 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: you would with any other strategy game. And people think 475 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: connect for is super simple. It's not. Um, it's actually 476 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: pretty deep and you do have to think a few 477 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: moves ahead. I'm pausing because the level of depth and uh, 478 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: some would say insanity that this has gotten to where 479 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: you're in the lab practicing connect for and willing to 480 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: bet someone thirty k on your connect for ability. A 481 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: lot of people listening to this would think, oh my god, 482 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: that's crazy, or they think, oh my god, these guys 483 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: are the coolest guys in the world. Um, but honestly 484 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: speaks to everything that we're trying to do, right, like Bails, 485 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: Is this not everything that sort of is interesting about 486 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: starting a company like the Action Network and then doing 487 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: the gambling Olympics. Yeah, of course it is. The This 488 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: is obviously the best part in the accent. It's just insanity. 489 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: So all in Bales, Levitan and Jennings Bales will start 490 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: with you. Um, other than what is the total amount 491 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: of action you will have at stake at the gambling Olympics. Um, 492 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: it's so tough to tell. I think that most of 493 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: it will um uh go down one way there, Peter 494 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: b a brand Adam but focus going to found a 495 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: lot of the side action I know I'm very confident 496 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: I'll have a lot more side action than the buy 497 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: in for the gambling Olympics. Um. I already have a 498 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: bunch of other side best side bets, which Levital and Munson. 499 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: But um, it's so tough to tell it really kind 500 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: of like Levitan put it, sounds on the opponent. I'm 501 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: not gonna um that a huge amount of money again, 502 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: someone that I think is like equal to me and 503 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: something I wouldn't bet Levitan and Connect for something. But 504 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, like you said, I if uh, if I 505 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: could get action against someone who has a plate connect floor, 506 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: then uh, it could potentially be a huge bet. Another 507 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: thing to consider is um getting paid. So we know 508 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: each other, we trust each other. Um. You know, you 509 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: put a lot of plates in the offensive of the 510 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: of the person of people that you're betting against to 511 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: get paid. So that's that's a huge factor. So sometimes 512 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: getting action um where you think you have an edge 513 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: but you also trust the person to pay can be 514 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: the biggest limiting factor. And getting and getting some of 515 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: these side best downe Alright, Levitan, how much side action 516 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: are you gonna have an addition to your buying Yeah, 517 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm looking at my sheet right now, looks like I 518 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: have ninety three hundred inside action going into the going 519 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: into the event, and maybe I'll get some more while 520 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: him out there. But we'll see. We got we got 521 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: a full plate, we have it. We got a full 522 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: full schedule out there, so we'll see what's going on. 523 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: Plus you've got thirty grand that you're willing to take 524 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: and connect four Bales has fifty grand, he's willing to 525 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: take on Rock paper scissors. Uh. Jennings, who's gonna go next, 526 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: has close to a hundred grand he's willing to take 527 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: in sports betting or DFS. What else is your side action? Uh? 528 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: Budget look like Yeah, I think I'm around the same 529 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: number as Levitan, just a little bit less and and 530 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: booked action already. And again we we've emphasized a lot. 531 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: It's gonna come down to the opponent. Um. There's there's 532 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: certain people I absolutely would not play in DFS um 533 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: for a large amount of money, but there's certain people 534 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: that I am interested to do that. We talked about 535 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: playing some ping pong. There's always golf props, So I 536 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: imagine I'll end up having a lot more action than 537 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: what I currently do have. But it's gonna come down to, 538 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: uh kind of what's offered. And that's the joy of 539 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: this entire process is getting you know, twelve grade guys. 540 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: I think we're all uh, there's a high trust factor 541 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: amongst everyone. And over the three days, with all the 542 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: different events and the wins and losses that people experience, 543 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: I imagine the action will really be flowing. So I 544 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: have to be strategic and really try to find the 545 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: best spots and have as much fun as possible. Alright, 546 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: So I love the Gambling Olympics. Follow it all. July 547 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, the boys will be in Vegas with 548 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: nine other guys, all of whom whom have been mentioned 549 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: in the podcast. Also listen to the Three Donkeys podcast. 550 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: It's crazy, fun, crazy, smart um and it speaks to 551 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: like everything that that is interesting about people who bet 552 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: on sports and the psychology of betting on sports and 553 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: betting on life generally. Uh. In honor of the Three 554 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: Donkeys podcast, I want to play one game of a 555 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: lot and things which Levitan you refer to when it's 556 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: basically this game where you throw out a proposition and 557 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: you ask people to give you the answer of what 558 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: they believe the total number of this proposition is there 559 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: is no right answer. It's entirely based on um, how 560 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: you think I would be thinking about this particular proposition. So, like, 561 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: I remember once we played this game and it was 562 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: how many insects do you think there are in the 563 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: state of Kansas? And I think we put the total 564 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: at like a million or something like that. So here's 565 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,959 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna ask. Uh, Lebron James signed with the 566 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Lakers yesterday. Uh, how many people in the 567 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: world today hate Lebron James for signing with the Los 568 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: Angeles Lakers? Now, do I need to give you a 569 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: number so you can you can ask it to yourself, Chad. 570 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: We can have you be the person we're trying to guess, 571 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: so you can write down the number and then Levitan 572 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: and I can try to guess what you think. All right, 573 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: I got a number in my head. Can we define hate, Chad? 574 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: Because you know there could be dislike there could be 575 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: there could be a lot of fact is here visceral hatred? 576 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: They would go on to Twitter and say, I think 577 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: he's a bum. How many people would go on to 578 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: Twitter and say if they all had access to Twitter 579 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: or we're all on Twitter. I think he's a bum 580 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: and I hate him. And this is all the people 581 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: on Earth, Chad that know of Lebron James, all the 582 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: people on Earth. Bales go first. I'm going to say, um, uh, 583 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: twenty million. Interesting. Interesting. I can go next, So I'll 584 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: let you go last, Levy, I will. I will say 585 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifteen million. Wow. Yeah. The object of 586 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: this game is to get into the person's head who's 587 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: answering the question. Obviously, I think Chad hasn't in his 588 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: head that a lot of people hate Lebron, so I 589 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: said ninety million, which I actually think is higher than 590 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: the real answer. But I said ninety million. That was 591 00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: my thing. I think Chad thinks a lot of people 592 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: hate I would say that the winner is Jonathan Bales. 593 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: I said it at fifteen million. Yeah, that's not a 594 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: lot of people, considering how people there are in the world. 595 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: I know, but I don't think that many people hate 596 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: him anymore. That's my point. Yeah, that was exactly. Listen, everybody, 597 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: keep track of the gambling Olympics. UM follow it all 598 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: on Action Network dot com. Keep track of what these 599 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: guys are doing at Bales Football at CSU RAM right, Jennings. 600 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Correct? Levitan? Give me your 601 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: Twitter handle because I can't look it up fast enough. 602 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: Adam Levitan, just my name, all one word, all of 603 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: you can find them uh on the Action Network Action 604 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: network dot com slash Gambling hyphen Olympics. It's gonna be 605 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: freaking phenomenal um and we'll be tracking it all and 606 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: listen to three monkeys. Subscribe to the buffet, than unsubscribe, 607 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: than resubscribe, then write how much you like it at 608 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: the iTunes page for the buffet rate review, etcetera, etcetera. Bellas, 609 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: thanks for joining. Great stuff. Good luck at the Gambling 610 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: Olympics starting next week a week from today. Enjoy. Thanks 611 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: Thanks John, Thanks