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Speaker 1: Happy Friday.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome into a Friday edition of Texans All Access

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Speaker 2: six days away. If my math is correct, from the

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Speaker 2: NFL Draft, John Harrison, Mark Vandermir with you this.

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Speaker 1: Evening and the voice of the Texans. How you feel

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Speaker 1: in six days away? I'm feeling good, Johnny? All right?

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Speaker 1: So is this a hot take or not?

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Speaker 3: So it's not to rate a hot take, it's to

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Speaker 3: tell me if it is a hot take. I'm actually

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Speaker 3: more excited about Friday night than i am about Thursday night.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited about the draft party and all that heat

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Speaker 3: and energy that the party creates, no question, But as

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Speaker 3: far as the actual Texans pick, I'm way more excited

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Speaker 3: about Friday night because there are three selections on the

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Speaker 3: board right now for Friday night, and I think that's

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Speaker 3: where the sizzle is. That's where all right, receiver time,

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Speaker 3: because I guess I shouldn't assume anything, but I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: O line in the first round, and I think receiver

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Speaker 3: comes on Friday Night. Maybe another sexy position or two.

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Speaker 3: Not that UO linemen are not sexy. You're much needed.

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Speaker 3: We need you, guys. But you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: is that a hot taker or not?

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Speaker 2: No, you know what, I'm worried that you are somewhere

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Speaker 2: living in my size seven and three quarters head right now,

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Speaker 2: because I'm like I Mark, I swear to god. I

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Speaker 2: said the same thing to my son on Friday morning

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Speaker 2: before I took off.

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Speaker 1: We were kind of talking about it.

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Speaker 2: I was like, you know the next three you know,

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Speaker 2: the three day Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and he was kind

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Speaker 2: of asking me about it, and I was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Friday is my favorite day.

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Speaker 1: Friday is the.

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Speaker 2: Day that I love because, like you said, you have

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Speaker 2: three picks, So I love Friday. We're in studio, we're

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Speaker 2: we just focus in, you know, we're at the draft party.

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Speaker 2: It's great, but there are a lot of distractions, especially

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Speaker 2: for me trying to you know, keep track everything that's

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Speaker 2: going on. So it gets to be distracting but awesome.

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Speaker 2: But Friday night is we're in studio and we're locked

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Speaker 2: in and it's three picks. And I literally said those

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Speaker 2: same exact words to my son. I like Friday more

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Speaker 2: like Thursday.

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Speaker 1: For me.

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Speaker 2: That's not even a hot take, that's just that's just

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Speaker 2: what it is.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Now, I will say there was a Thursday night that

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Speaker 2: was I would go back and relive that Thursday night

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Speaker 2: before I would relive any other Thursday night in the

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Speaker 2: NFL Draft, And there's something.

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Speaker 1: That I actually saw.

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Speaker 2: The thirty third team put out a graphic and it

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Speaker 2: really got me thinking because sitting at the third pick

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Speaker 2: where the Arizona Cardinals back in twenty twenty three, all

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Speaker 2: of two years ago, and there had been a little,

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Speaker 2: a small bit of noise about a Texan's trade up

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Speaker 2: because d Andrew Jeremiah had put it in his mock

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Speaker 2: draft that the Texans would at number two pick Will

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Speaker 2: Anderson and then at number three trade back up and

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Speaker 2: gets CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud.

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Speaker 2: And I remember that distinctly because my thought was, I

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Speaker 2: could see that happening, but I wouldn't draft them in

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Speaker 2: that order because you got to draft CJ first, because

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Speaker 2: any teams that would want a quarterback would then get

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Speaker 2: in the mix with you with the Cardinals and try

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Speaker 2: and make a deal, and then they would amp up

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Speaker 2: what you'd have to give them. So if you cut

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Speaker 2: them off at the knees and say, hey, we'll take CJ. Shroud,

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Speaker 2: then you don't have to pay as much to theirs

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Speaker 2: on the Cardinals to move up from twelve to three

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Speaker 2: to potentially take will Anderson Junior, and then it happened.

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Speaker 2: So I want to go back and look at this mark,

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Speaker 2: and I know that we're biased, we're on the Texans side,

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Speaker 2: but that trade was trading the Texans number twelve overall

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Speaker 2: pick number thirty three. Remember they had the second pick,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, the first pick of the second round. They

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Speaker 2: also had twenty twenty four's number twenty seven pick, and

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Speaker 2: then a twenty twenty four third round pick. The Texans

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Speaker 2: then moved up to three. But one thing that nobody

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Speaker 2: from the Cardinals in that deal.

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Speaker 1: Who did that pick turn into Kaylan Bullock.

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Speaker 2: Now they didn't move around, they end up taking a third,

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Speaker 1: Able to go get Bullock.

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Speaker 2: So this trade turns out to be Will Anderson Junior

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Speaker 2: and Kayln Bullock on the Texans side for Paris Johnson Junior,

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Speaker 2: Garrett Williams and a few other pieces on the Cardinals side.

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Speaker 2: When you think back to that trade at the time,

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people were like, that's crazy,

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Speaker 2: But what do you think back at the time, what

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Speaker 2: do you remember thinking it back at the time versus

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Speaker 2: what you think now now that the whole trade is

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Speaker 1: It in hindsight.

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Speaker 3: Well, if it works out well for the Cardinals, I

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Speaker 3: don't consider that, and I know you feel the same way.

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Speaker 1: I don't consider that a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: If they made a good deal for themselves, that can

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Speaker 3: really accelerate the growth of their franchise.

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Speaker 1: Great.

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Speaker 3: The point is, though, you got to make sure it

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Speaker 3: works for the Texans first.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's clear.

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Speaker 3: You know we talk about trade so often and oh,

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Speaker 3: we slayed that team in that trade, Watson, we slayed

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Speaker 3: this team in that trade.

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Speaker 1: Whatever the case is, right, but if it works out.

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Speaker 3: For both teams, that's even better because that means more

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Speaker 3: teams are willing to do business. And you know, I

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Speaker 3: kind of like in a Nick Cassario phone call in

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Speaker 3: a trade situation to Darryl Moury back in the day.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, if I'm making a trade with Darryl,

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Speaker 3: is this a good thing for me? You know, you

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Speaker 3: wonder about that, not that he's trying to hist you

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Speaker 3: or anything, but that he might be getting the better

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Speaker 3: end of that deal. And with Nick, I would wonder

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Speaker 3: the same thing if I'm doing business with him. However,

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Speaker 3: if it works out for the Cardinals, great, But with

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Speaker 3: Will Anderson Junior, Johnny, We've said this before. That was

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Speaker 3: a brave, bold attempt to say we want to win

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Speaker 3: sooner rather than later. Yes, we know that this is

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Speaker 3: a big project. Every NFL team is, but we're drafting

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Speaker 3: a quarterback. We have a new head coach, and you

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Speaker 3: know what, let's get a cornerstone on offense and on

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Speaker 3: defense right now tonight, this first round, and we're gonna

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Speaker 3: move up to take Will because we love Will. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: the coaches loved Will and they still do. And you

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Speaker 3: needed the quarterback and they loved him, so let's get

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Speaker 3: them both. And if it cost us something big, why not.

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Speaker 3: But your point is great about that fourth rounder eventually

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Speaker 3: turning into killing Bullock. And it's a lot like the

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Speaker 3: Nick Cassio in this way Nick Casserio trade with Cleveland

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Speaker 3: with Watson, because tracing where some of those picks went,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of like a wild goose chase. You know,

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Speaker 3: you have to have tentacles they they have. You traded

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Speaker 3: this for that, and it's scripture. This trade this pick,

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Speaker 3: we get that pick, We get that pick and it

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Speaker 3: becomes crazy, but it's all good because he's got track

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Speaker 3: of it. Can you imagine his Excel spreadsheets?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I think it worked out great for the Texans obviously,

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Speaker 3: and for the Cardinals it's working out pretty well so far. However,

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Speaker 3: this one big thing. The Texans are winning and the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals are not. Yet we'll see yeah in the car

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Speaker 3: a getting close now.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals ended up getting back the opportunity to say

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Speaker 2: they moved down to twelve, but then they moved back

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Speaker 2: to move back up six spots to get Paris Johnson Junior,

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Speaker 2: the guy that they had wanted all along. And at

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Speaker 2: the time, the national scribes were, well, wait a second,

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals just got, you know, the pick from the

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Speaker 2: Texans this year, and the pick from the Texans next

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Speaker 2: year is.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be number two or number three overall.

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Speaker 2: And if the Cardinals, I would imagine that in their

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Speaker 2: if we get a future pick from the Texans, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna end up being a top five in a draft.

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Speaker 1: Look at them right now, they're not very good.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get a top five pick in a draft,

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Speaker 2: and we have our quarterback. So we could take that

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Speaker 2: top five pick and then trade it to a team

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Speaker 2: and this trade will just be the one that continues

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Speaker 2: on giving. But then the Texans to that great year

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. They end up drafting at number

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Speaker 2: twenty seven overall in twenty twenty four. But as I

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Speaker 2: got will Anderson junior, great, and they got some safety,

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Speaker 2: like some safety like that dude led rookies' interceptions last year.

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Speaker 1: Were you talking about some safety? Yeah. In numbers, they

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Speaker 2: I think the keep of the Cardinals of this is

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Speaker 2: they got a left tackle who is extremely athletic and

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Speaker 2: a very good player.

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Speaker 1: But Gary Williams is a really good pick.

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Speaker 2: They took number thirty three, and they they moved it

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Speaker 1: They got a nickel.

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Speaker 2: Who is their version of Jalen Peatree in a sense,

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Speaker 2: and then they've got kind of a boomer Bus prospect

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Speaker 2: out to be a player, man, that is a great

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Speaker 2: draft for the Cardinal. But this will always be a

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Speaker 2: Houston as you know, the one.

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Speaker 1: The trade.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, there have been so many

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Speaker 2: of them, you know, trading Laromy Tunssel, trading stuff on Diggs,

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Speaker 2: think fans are gonna go, yeah, that, yes, drafting CJ,

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Speaker 2: bringing in to Miko, obviously Nick being here already, all

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Speaker 2: those key components and the number of them were here.

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Speaker 2: But this is the one that sort of put them

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Speaker 2: over the top because of what will brings both on

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Speaker 2: the field and off the field. But I think what's

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Speaker 2: fascinating about this mark is there are times when a

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Speaker 2: trade is made regardless of what side we're on, and

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Speaker 2: you instantly think, okay, how do I feel about this

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Speaker 2: trade right now? And I know full well that you've

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Speaker 2: got to let it play out, But how do I

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Speaker 2: feel about this trade right now versus when it's all

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Speaker 2: completed you can look back and go I feel the

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Speaker 2: exact same way like I would.

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Speaker 1: I was happy, very happy with the deal at the time.

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy with the deal right now, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sitting in Arizona. I'm feeling the same way, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: this trade worked for us too. So the other thing too,

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Speaker 2: There was no trade up for a quarterback. It was

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I was working on my team needs today and I

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Speaker 1: The Atlanta Falcons are sly like a fox.

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Speaker 1: So I would imagine the Falcons of my trade down fifteen.

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Speaker 2: But that was the move last year where everybody kind

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Speaker 2: The Falcons were sly like a fox here. They did

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Speaker 1: And I've thought about that.

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Speaker 2: I've thought about, man, could they get up and get

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Speaker 1: Now I look at it differently.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see it's gonna be, there's no question about that. Now.

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Speaker 2: the lab redraft? We do that next of Texans All Access. Tevin, everybody,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to this show. A Friday edition for you,

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Speaker 2: A good Friday edition for you. It's always a good Friday.

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Speaker 2: It's always a happy Friday. It's always a football Friday

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Speaker 2: right here when I am running things and I'm John Harris,

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Speaker 2: football analyst, sideline reporter for your Houston Texas. Now, as promised,

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Speaker 2: ju Doory and I like to well, we get kind

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Speaker 1: We like yea Geeky and dor Key.

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Speaker 2: One of the things we'd like to do is go

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Speaker 2: the best drafts in Texas history is the draft from

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Speaker 2: twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: That draft is it's an all timer.

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Speaker 2: It is an all timer because the time seven eight

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Speaker 2: don't know if cam is gonna go to the Hall

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Speaker 2: uh and then the guy at number eleven where the

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Speaker 2: Texas were picking eleven and eleven one Justin James Watt, Well,

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Speaker 2: Drew and I sat down to redraft this. We're we

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Speaker 2: gonna change our pick at number eleven. Well, hell no,

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Speaker 2: we're not changing our pick.

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Speaker 1: J J. Watt is thank But how did we go

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Speaker 4: But what I want to do. I want to get

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Speaker 4: we're gonna get weird, and we're gonna go back.

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Speaker 5: In the weeds.

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Speaker 4: And we've done this kind of before, but we're gonna

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Speaker 4: in time and we're redrafting for the Houston Texans the

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Speaker 4: twenty eleven NFL NO, the draft that yielded JJ Watt. Okay,

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Speaker 4: he was the headliner in that you're gonna go back,

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Speaker 4: and we'll go back and we'll talk about some of

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Speaker 5: But John, let's set the stage. What was going on.

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Speaker 4: The Texans are five and ten going into the final

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 5: It had been a tough season.

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Speaker 1: That's the expectation. Taking that step, you.

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Speaker 5: Got this awesome offense.

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Speaker 4: Twenty ten starts, you get out to about a five

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Speaker 4: they're in your building, they have a lot to play for.

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Speaker 4: They win that game, they're in the playoffs. And it

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Speaker 4: no rare three pm kickoff in week seventeen, because remember

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Speaker 4: Wow, So the Texans if they lose, they're probably picking

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't getting the past two or three. Yeah, that

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Speaker 4: He was the second pick overall. So let's do a

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Speaker 4: You see see see these names that have come off

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Speaker 5: You cool with that?

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Speaker 4: The greatest player? Yeah, yeah, I'd be okay, franchise history.

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Speaker 2: I think what's interesting there is, you know, thinking back,

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Speaker 1: Obviously it's you know, this long held story.

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Speaker 2: I was excited because my parents were in ore, Wisconsin nights.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was one of Wisconsin. I got here

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Speaker 2: really wanted JJ here. But the big question was where

442
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 2: where was he going to play? Because JJ at Wisconsin

443
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 2: was playing outside as a four to three defensive end.

444
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 2: Could he play I don't know, He's not go an

445
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,640
Speaker 2: play outside linebacker in a three four, which at the time,

446
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 2: you gotta remember four three, three four they were. They

447
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: were a little bit more different. There was more variance

448
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 2: in those four three defensive ends. A lot of times

449
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 2: couldn't play in a three as a three four outside linebacker.

450
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 2: They a lot of times had to move inside and

451
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 2: play you know a four I which is inside the tackle,

452
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 2: or play a five technique just outside the tackle, and

453
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 2: there would be a heavy end all that kind of stuff.

454
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 2: And so I remember during a break of our show,

455
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 2: I ran down and I joined our local draft show

456
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 2: and they asked me about what and I remember saying,

457
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 2: I love what. I love him as a player. I

458
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 2: just don't know how they're going to use him. I'm

459
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: not sure about that, I said, but I'll be very clear.

460
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 2: I very much like JJ Watt being in Houston, and

461
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 2: JJ ends up being a guy that when he comes

462
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 2: for his his draft press conference the following day, when

463
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 2: he walks in, you just realize, damn. I remember Wade

464
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: Phillips going, look this has his hands and his hands

465
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 2: were and I was like, Okay, we drafted this dude

466
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 2: for his hand and I knew full well why that

467
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: we didn't do that.

468
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 5: But I think what he also, Wade also brought up

469
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 5: the three cone drill.

470
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: The fastest right, and you've often you've often referred to

471
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: him as a jungle cats the jungle way that you know,

472
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: and I think we.

473
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 1: Missed all that.

474
00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 2: But what I think is interesting if you go back

475
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,959
Speaker 2: you look at JJ when he got here in twenty eleven,

476
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: he kind of looked like a lighter defensive.

477
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: Tackle, like he just was kind of he's kind of thick.

478
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't know the right way of saying this because

479
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: I don't want it to sound mean, but he just

480
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: he looked like a defensive end. But then he just

481
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 2: started going gangbusters in the weight room, and then you

482
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: looked at him and go, okay, I could see him

483
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 2: as playing a four to three defenseman, and that's eventually

484
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 2: what he ended up doing. You know, the thought in

485
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: my mind of okay, how does he kind of fit?

486
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: You already have Mario Williams, you drafted Connor Barwin. Well,

487
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: how are you going to put this all this together?

488
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 4: That was a minor news item was, hey, Mario Williams

489
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 4: is gonna play outside linebacker, right, And that had not

490
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 4: been discussed or talked about really publicly. But then the

491
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 4: Texans take JJ Watt and that comes out.

492
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 2: You know, and so one of the things that I kept,

493
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to say a reference, but I

494
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: know in my draft spiel after JJ was drafted, I

495
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: remember saying, you know, in two thousand and four, the

496
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 2: Texans drafted Travis Johnson, and Travis was not a four

497
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: to three defensive tackle which the Texans were running at

498
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 2: that time. Oh no, the Texas running three four. He's

499
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: a four to three defensive tackle, not a three to four.

500
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 2: He's not a nose tackle, and he's not really a

501
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: three four defensive end.

502
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if this fit is right.

503
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 5: So I remember Saavis will tell you that when he

504
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 5: picked there and over.

505
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: Exactly, and I told out the Travis and he was like, yeah,

506
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: you had it dead on, and so I was like,

507
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: I don't want that happening to JJ. But I know him,

508
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: having watched almost every Wisconsin game. I know this dude,

509
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 2: and I know his backstory. I know people in Houston

510
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: are going to really like him eventually, but it's gonna

511
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: take a little while to kind of prove it.

512
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: I like this pick eleven. But here's the other thing.

513
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 4: Well, Also, Wade Phillips was always he himself was always

514
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 4: very upfront about you know, people say that my defenses

515
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 4: have to have this type.

516
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 5: Of nose tackle. Yeah, but that's not the case. I

517
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 5: had this guy.

518
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had this guy here, right. Sean Cody was worried.

519
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 4: He's like Sewan. When they hired Wade Phillips, Sean kind

520
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 4: of thought, I'm a goner.

521
00:23:59,200 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 5: You know that's right?

522
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

523
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: You think you have three four no's, You think of Reader,

524
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: and you think of will Fork, and you know, you

525
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: don't think of a guy like Sean Cody. But that's

526
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 2: not the way that Wade ran at defense. But I

527
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: think the other thing to keep in mind, here is

528
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: when you look at as you put up that screen.

529
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: One through sixteen, every non quarterback went to at least

530
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl except for one non quarterback, and that

531
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 2: was the guy a lot of people wanted at eleven.

532
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: That was Nick Fairley from out of Auburn. Fairly was

533
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: coming off a tremendous season.

534
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: At Auburn.

535
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: And I had the Lombardi Award breakfast that I did

536
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: and I did a little either or. I did an

537
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: interview with each of the guys, and I got to

538
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: Fairly and I was like, I was doing either or,

539
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, your professional home Dallas or Houston,

540
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: And he just had.

541
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: This kind of look and you winked at me. He's like, oh,

542
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: you know.

543
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: And so in my mind I was and I thought

544
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: that Fairly would have been a pretty good fit for

545
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: this particular defense. But I loved wat as a player,

546
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: and I loved him being from Wisconsin, and I thought

547
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: in the end, and in the end it ended up

548
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 2: being that way, and Fairly never got to that Pro

549
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: Bowl level. He ended up having some decent seasons. He

550
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: was not bad player, but he was not Jake Locker,

551
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: Blaine Gabbert, et.

552
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: Cetera.

553
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: So I feel like, when when revision is history, when

554
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: we look back, I feel like there were still some

555
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: questions about JJ because of how he was going to

556
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: fit in Wage's defense. And I think that goes to

557
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, both Wade Phillips and Romeo Crenell that they

558
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: were quote unquote three four guys who were adaptable, though,

559
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: but they were adaptable and they took this, you know,

560
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: this mouldible clay and helped turn him in. And JJ

561
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: has never shied away from saying that he was, like,

562
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: you know, Romeo Cornell and Wade Phillips, they they made

563
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: my career absolutely, and you know, letting letting JJ get

564
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: to a point where it was you play will adapt

565
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: and the defense will be better for it.

566
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: And and it really was.

567
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 5: It sure was.

568
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 4: So JJ Watt is to pick their one. No, nothing

569
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 4: crazy going on. So let's talk and look at what

570
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 4: happens in round two because this is where things get interesting.

571
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 4: So the Texans had a pick in the second round,

572
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 4: but during the draft they traded for another pick. The

573
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 4: first one they take is on Brooks Reed. Brooks Reed

574
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 4: good player, but look at some of the guys available.

575
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: You have Pro Bowl tight end Kyle Rudolph who comes

576
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 4: off the board a little bit later, literally.

577
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: The pick after him, pick after.

578
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 4: Brooks Reed, Rodney Hudson, nice guard, Florida State goes to

579
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 4: the Chiefs. Shane Vereen. He's in the building here now

580
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 4: with the Houston Texans running back. He used to be

581
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 4: a round and patriot. Yep, he was really good, did

582
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 4: a lot of good things. Oh, Randall Cobb down there

583
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: at the bottom, Brandon Harris is the Texans' second pick.

584
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: They traded with New England, so they get the corner

585
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 4: from Miami. But look, look there at the very bottom

586
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 4: of the or very top of the third round. Justin

587
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 4: Houston is the name I'm circling now. Friends, if you

588
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: aren't familiar with Justin Houston, he wound up having a

589
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 4: pretty darn good career, getting a lot of sacks. Justin

590
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 4: Houston had a bit better career than Brooks Reed. So, John,

591
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 4: what do you say, don't take Justin Houston there?

592
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: Now, let's use that revision's history in a sense. Justin

593
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: Houston had a tremendous career. Justin Houston was an incredible prospect.

594
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: But he's there round three, pick number seventy. Because there

595
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: were a lot of concerns about Houston off the field

596
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: when he was coming out of college a ton and

597
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: I know how the Texans thought back in twenty eleven

598
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: that they, I don't want to say they were allergic

599
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: to some of those.

600
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: But you've heard Nick Casario say, we don't draft choir boys.

601
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: And it wasn't as if the Texas were all, you know,

602
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: drafted choir boys, but they avoided guys that they felt

603
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: like had issues.

604
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: And it was pretty well known in.

605
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: The NFL about the issues that Justin Houston had off

606
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 2: the field. Now once he got to the NFL, all

607
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: of that disappeared. I mean he turned into and became

608
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: a model citizen, was always held in high regard, and

609
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: became one of the better pass rushers. So if your

610
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: bank on that happening in Houston, there's no question the

611
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: pick of Brooks reed. Although Brooks did had a few

612
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: years of some good things, Justin Houston would have done

613
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: it opposite JJ Watt. Can you imagine if you would

614
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: have had Mario Williams, JJ Watt, Justin Houston and Connor

615
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: Barwin all healthy on a defense at twenty eleven, it

616
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: was already bulls on parade but my god, let.

617
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 4: Me ask you, din't you have had with Justin Houston.

618
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 4: Let's still little quiz here. How many sacks did JJ

619
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 4: Watt have in twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen years, twenty eight Yeah,

620
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: in twenty plus up in Kansas City, Justin Houston had

621
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 4: twenty two sacks? Can you imagine that? Exactly forty five sacks?

622
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: I'm fine, just dudes.

623
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: And I think what ends up being interesting here is

624
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: now you start Okay, it's the butterfly effect, because if

625
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: you end up drafting Justin Houston more than likely in

626
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, you don't draft Whitney Merciless.

627
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: So there there are a number of ways to look

628
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: at it.

629
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: But I think if you want to get better, even

630
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: faster than you did, I think Justin Houston would have

631
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: been the right pick there.

632
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: Okay, Now, do you want to take another second round

633
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 4: or do you just want to rock in the third

634
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: and not make that trade with the with the Patriots,

635
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: Because if you don't make the trade with the Patriots,

636
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 4: you're picking seventy three overall.

637
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 5: They wound up taking Stephen Ridley.

638
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 4: Right, you got Ryan Mallett waiting there, you got a

639
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 4: name that got familiar to Texans fans pretty quickly, Jirell

640
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 4: Casey a few picks after him. I want to take

641
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: a defensive tackle, and you want to just like strengthen

642
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: a strength that you that was kind of a weakness

643
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 4: the year before.

644
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: I think that would have been I think that would

645
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: have been tough because you've already you've still got Mario

646
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: a com tracked, and I think, you know, the defense

647
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: is so bad.

648
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: I think people would have been okay with it.

649
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: You already went Watt Brooks reed, well now you're going

650
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: Wat justin Houston Durell Casey like, man, is that a

651
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: little bit.

652
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: Too much to put into the defensive line?

653
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: I think even now I look at it and think,

654
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: even though as much as I love Casey, then might

655
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: have been a bit a bit much at that point.

656
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: But you know, just going back, you you know, Randall

657
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: Cobb would have been on the board if we'd stayed

658
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: at sixty. Would we have been better off drafting Randall

659
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: Cobb at sixty instead of Brandon Harris and then going

660
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: on down to whatever our next pick would have been.

661
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: I think that to me would end up being Okay,

662
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: let's bounce this out. Even though the offense.

663
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: You know, nine going into ten, I'm sorry, ten going

664
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: into eleven and you're like, ohka, this.

665
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: Offense is pretty damn good man.

666
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: We don't need a lot offensively, but Randal Cobb would

667
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: have given them something a little different on that offense

668
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven that maybe they didn't have.

669
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 5: But I think he's gone at that point though.

670
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: Right, Well, if we had stayed with the trade at sixty,

671
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: we could have got we could have gotten Randall Cobb.

672
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

673
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 5: Then let's go get Let's do that.

674
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: Let's trade and then go get Randall Cobb. How about that?

675
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: Likely twenty eleven Randall Cobb not the twenty twenty Cob

676
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: that we got, but it.

677
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 4: Likely takes us away from taking kJ Wright in the

678
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: third round. Would you like a kJ Wright at linebacker?

679
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: I think in twenty eleven, I don't know that I

680
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: would have felt that. I think once Cushion went down

681
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: on it been like, yeah, yeah, we need you know, man,

682
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: Would i'd rather have had I think I would have

683
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: had if I would have ranked him all right, ironically,

684
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: I would have probably gone trade to get Cob, then

685
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: kJ Wright, then Darrell Casey because I feel like we

686
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: really bolster a defensive line, Like, I don't know if

687
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: you can ever have enough on the defensive line. Okay,

688
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: but I feel like that's the way that I would

689
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: have gone.

690
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: So I'm to go.

691
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 5: But we're gonna stick with two. We're gonna go with

692
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 5: Randal cop.

693
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's stick with two and go with Randal Cop. Right,

694
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: although you're killing me with this kJ right, I know,

695
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: think about it.

696
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: Dang. He was at the he was at the beginning

697
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: of the fourth round.

698
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 5: He plays forever, Jude.

699
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: I wonder how much. I can't remember how much we

700
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: gave up to move up to sixty.

701
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 5: I'll show you.

702
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: Let me see. Oh, here it is.

703
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, we go.

704
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: New England traded this selection to Houston for Houston's third,

705
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: which was seventy three overall and fifth round selections.

706
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: And that was the years that Texts had about thirteen

707
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 4: fifth rounders. Yeah, Shiloh, you take TJ. Yates, you take

708
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: somebody else too. I think I would stick to that trade, Okay,

709
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 4: I think I would stick with that trade. So that

710
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 4: takes the Texans out of the third round. So we're

711
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 4: gonna go all the way down to the fourth and

712
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 4: look at what is going on. Oh, in the fourth

713
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: Rashad Carmichael Corner from Virginia Tech.

714
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: Who did that not turn well?

715
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: Okay, Julius Thomas made a Pro Bowl at tight end

716
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 4: with the Broncos. He was pretty good. Anthony Sherman Pro

717
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 4: Bowl fullback in the fifth round. Now you're into this

718
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 4: fifth round, and this is a this is where some

719
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: fascinating names come off the board. And that's the name

720
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 4: right there that's in yellow that I don't that doesn't

721
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: get past Houston, Richard Sherman.

722
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 5: Why not, let's go your You'll.

723
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 4: Get You'll get a lot of heat for at the

724
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 4: time taking uh Richard Sherman in the fourth round, But

725
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 4: try to just eliminate it and take him.

726
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the way to go.

727
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: Ironically, remember I talked about that trade with New England.

728
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: In staying with that trade with New England, we gave

729
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: up one thirty eight overall in the fifth round, right

730
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: that pick turned into Marcus Cannon tackle from TCU.

731
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: Wow. And so that's what the Patriots.

732
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: The Patriots were able to The Patriots took Mallet, if

733
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: I remember right now, they took Ridley, Stephen Ridley and

734
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: Marcus and with two picks that we traded up to

735
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: go get Brandon Harris.

736
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: That didn't work out.

737
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 5: Didn't work out.

738
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: Oh, look, sometimes trades don't work. That was that was

739
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: one of them.

740
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: Think about what you'd seen the year before, you had

741
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 4: the worst pass defense since the NFL A film or

742
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 4: yeah it was so bad.

743
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: Had I don't argue with the with the theory, and

744
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: you understood no doubt, no doubt at all. And that's

745
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: why I think you could have said, Yeah, this Richard

746
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: Sherman character is a guy that would fit for us

747
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: really really well. I think that would have been what

748
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: pick would we have been with that? That would have

749
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: been in the fourth round? Yeah, that was Yeah, that

750
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 2: was picked one twenty seven and Sherman ends up going

751
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: not Anthony Sherman, Richard Sherman. He goes twenty seven picks later.

752
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look, when you get to day three, I

753
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: think in this one it was day two. But either way,

754
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: there's not that twenty seven spots. That's not a whole

755
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: heck of a lot, to be honest with you. So

756
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: I think Sherman would have would have definitely been the

757
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: pick at that our pick instead Rock Carmichael. Okay, we

758
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: got the rest of the day round five and beyond,

759
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: and I know you should be thinking, oh, well, what

760
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: can you do today?

761
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: Oh, listen to what we do in day three. That's next.

762
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: The Texans All Access, all right, let's do this.

763
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 2: Let's finish up our redraft from twenty eleven. It's Texans

764
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: All Act says with a visit with our friends the

765
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: Interlab podcast, which is Drew Doherty and me, and we

766
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 2: were redrafting twenty eleven and we got into the fifth

767
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: round and now I know day three you're like, okay,

768
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: how off this day three pan out? Well, you want

769
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: to stay tuned, because day three we kicked serious ass

770
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: with this redraft.

771
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: Check this out.

772
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 4: We go into the fifth round and who's there? So

773
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 4: the Texans are picking one two. First pick, it's one

774
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 4: fifty two.

775
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: TJ. Yates.

776
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 5: I'm not changing that.

777
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 4: Not change that because love TJ. Gotten Richard Sherman. So

778
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 4: we're gonna go with TJ. Yates at one fIF two,

779
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: not changing that. The next one zips along and comes

780
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 4: to you at why is this taking so long?

781
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 5: John? You're in the sixth round. I thought we had

782
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 5: okay anyways, oh you're in the seventh round.

783
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: All right, fifth round one? So TJ was taken one.

784
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: How do we miss Shiloh Keo? Okay, yeah, yeah we will.

785
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: Let's we'll take Yates at one fifty two. Right, let's

786
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: go to one forty four. Right now, there's a Houston

787
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: homeboy that I would have loved. And I don't know

788
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: that you had the greatest career of all. But had

789
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: Jaquiz Rodgers been drafted at one forty four, I would

790
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: have gone nuts. Now, we wouldn't have because the year

791
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: before we had taken Ben Tait, it had gotten hurt.

792
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: It was the second round pick, no way, and we're

793
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: drafting or running back at that particular point. So I think,

794
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: you know, even because you look at the running backs

795
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: in front of you, Jaquiz Rogers, Dion Lewis, those are

796
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: two really really good uh players. But I present to

797
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: you if we're you know, just say, okay, we need

798
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: a safety. You know, we've already taken Richard Sherman. The

799
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: next safety that's taken is by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

800
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: Guy name a mad Black, Okay, And I don't know

801
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: that's a great pick.

802
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 5: Dejon Gomez though, yeah, he.

803
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: Didn't turn into anything.

804
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 5: He was kind of.

805
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: Blah. Is the right way of saying it.

806
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: Black wasn't great inn the NFL either, And so I

807
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: actually think Shiloh might have been the if I remember correctly,

808
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: I think Shiloh might have been the special safety. But

809
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: if we're if we're looking at guys that we could

810
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: have taken. As we get on the list, you know,

811
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna take t J.

812
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: Yates. But you know, there's a Toad Taylor down the road.

813
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 5: There's also Jason Kelce, a centered down the road.

814
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: There is a Jason Kelce. Oh my god, So I

815
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: think I think we got to take him. Man, I

816
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: think you have to take him.

817
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 5: So let's do it.

818
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Okay, So I mean Chris Myers have not been

819
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: happy with that? Well no, but no, but wait, what

820
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: year do we trade for Chris Myers?

821
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: I can't remember.

822
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: Chris Myers was oh sevenish, So, and you know Chris

823
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 4: was in the middle of that great run of offensive lineman. Yeah,

824
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 4: I think he you know, so on his competition, but

825
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 4: you know it's competition.

826
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So instead of that one forty four shallow k

827
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna go Jason Kelsey, the diminutive center out of

828
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati.

829
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 5: I like it, and then we'll also go in the

830
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 5: fifth with one TJ.

831
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: Yates, who when you look back, they used to have

832
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: these things called throwing corps. They just needed arms throwing

833
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: quarterbacks at the combine, and it basically was to throw

834
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: it all the defensive backs, and throw to the receivers

835
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: and throw the running backs. So that the guys that

836
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: were there, like the cam Newton's and the Gabberts and

837
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: all those Christian ponders of the world didn't hurt their arms.

838
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: TJ had to go and sling it, and out of

839
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: that he ends up being one of the he You know,

840
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to look at his draft. In fact,

841
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that right now if you look for

842
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: our next pick, PJ.

843
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 5: Yates. Well, I want to add on to this TJ.

844
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 5: Yates thing. TJ.

845
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 4: Yates now at the Combine. When we see him at

846
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 4: the Combine, we talk with him every year if we do.

847
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 4: He's an an assistant coach with the Atlanta Falcons. Yes,

848
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 4: we spend about ten minutes talking with him outside Radio rot.

849
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: It's always a good time. And he was a folk

850
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 4: hero late November December of eleventh January twelve, hero man,

851
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: folk hero exactly what off season.

852
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 5: God bless t J.

853
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: Yates.

854
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 4: Okay, so we're into the later rounds. Now the Texans

855
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 4: have picked up their picks in the fifth. I feel

856
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 4: like I'm missing something in the fifth? Am I missing something?

857
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 4: Weren't there three fifths? This is great radio, isn't it? Friends?

858
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: No, In fact, they only took two huh.

859
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 2: In fact, we don't pick again until the seventh round.

860
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: Picked two fourteen. That's the next that's the next pick.

861
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: Seventh round, two fourteen. We're going down to it and

862
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 4: look at what's available. Now, this is where you got

863
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 4: to remember. You take Derek Newton there, and then you

864
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 4: have the final pick of the seventh round. I believe

865
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: that's maybe that's what I was messing. You have the

866
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 4: final pick, mister irrelevant of the round. That's right, cheto Zoo.

867
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 4: But you take Derek Newton. Derek Newton was a really

868
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: good right tackle before you he started lot to stay

869
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: with Derek. Let's stay with Derek Newton. And then for

870
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 4: the final pick, mister roch Chetdo did did not play

871
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 4: with the Texans. But look at all these names. Great

872
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 4: kicker there and Dan Bailey, great slot corner, one of

873
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 4: the best slot corners of all time, Chris Harris Junior,

874
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 4: a phenomenal player for Wade Phillips.

875
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 5: Phenomenal player for Wade Phillips.

876
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: I mean how you signed Brian Brayman. Maybe you even

877
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: draft him, but I mean you got him, so I

878
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: mean there's nothing but.

879
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 4: Man, after what we saw the year before in the secondary,

880
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 4: I'm kind of tempted. I'm not kind of tempt I'm

881
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: I want Chris Harris Junior.

882
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: When you I would think that would be something you

883
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: would do. Yeah, you end up with Richard Sherman and

884
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: Chris Harris Junior to go with Kareem and then you

885
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: bring it. Now, here's the other thing. Do you end

886
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: up bringing it j job? At this point if you

887
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: remember there's the.

888
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 5: Lockout, it's not and nothing's so.

889
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: JJO was not a taxan.

890
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: Now free agents are now because they do afraigency before

891
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: the draft, but you would not have had JJO.

892
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: My hope is that they still would have gone in

893
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: that direct.

894
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any chance they were going to

895
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 4: go into the season after what they've done the previous

896
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 4: year starting a rookie Kareem Jackson and a second year

897
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: Glover Quinn I don't think there's any chance they're going

898
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 4: to not add.

899
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to that point, they traded up in the

900
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: second round to Brandon Harris and they drafted Rock Carmichael.

901
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: So we've only drafted Richard Sherman and Chris Harris Junior.

902
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: I still think if you'd add j Jo Jjo outside,

903
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: here's a couple.

904
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: There's so many domino effects to this.

905
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: You draft Sherman, he eventually plays outside that pushes Glover

906
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 2: to safety.

907
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: Then you.

908
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: You signed j Jo, he plays the other corner. You

909
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: draft Chris Harris Junior. He plays the slot that moves

910
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: Kareem Jackson to safety. So your safeties are not Kareem Glover.

911
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: And then that that's your fivesome back there in what

912
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: you have with Glover and Cream at safety and then

913
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: the three guys that you have Richard Sherman, Jjo and

914
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: Chris Harris Junior, that would have been a totally completely

915
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: revamped secondary.

916
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 1: Now you end up.

917
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 2: With what you What you had, or what you ended

918
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: up with was j Jo, Kareem, Bryce McCain inside, and

919
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: your two safeties of Quintin Demps and Daniel Manning. That

920
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: secondary is much improved. Or twenty ten I don't think

921
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: it's any christ much improved. But I think that Chris

922
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: Harris Junior would have been a bit of an upgrade

923
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: from Bryce, even though I thought for a couple of

924
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: years Bryce played that nickel very very well. But I

925
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: think Chris Harris Junior would have been a severe, severe

926
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: upgrade from that position. And to me, the other thing

927
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: you get out of that is you move Kareem Jackson

928
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: to what I think is his natural position. I think

929
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: had Kareem Jackson moved back to safety in twenty eleven

930
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: or even twenty four, team when I flitered with is

931
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: a pro bowler, I think he is a pro bowler

932
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: within four within four years, yeah, or less, he would

933
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: have been a pro bowler. He would have been a

934
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: menace back there. He would have been the perfect fit

935
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: back there. So yeah, I think Chrisseres Junior in the

936
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: seventh rounds good.

937
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 5: So look at this draft.

938
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 4: You take JJ Watt first, justin Houston, second, second rounds

939
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: and right there you've got one guy with one hundred

940
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: some sacks, another guy with a hundred some sacks. Both

941
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 4: of them eclipse the hundred sack mark in their careers.

942
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 4: Huge Randall Cobb very productive wide receiver for a long time.

943
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 4: Nice complimenting there to Andre Johnson and eventually DeAndre Hopkins,

944
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: although that's a butterfly effect you have for another day.

945
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 4: Richard Sherman, a defensive Player of the Year, one of

946
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 4: the best corners of all time.

947
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 5: It's gonna be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

948
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 4: Jason Kelce Wow Man wow setting up your offensive line

949
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 4: for a long time for nice continuity.

950
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 5: TJ.

951
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: Yates, full hero.

952
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 4: Never go wrong drafting a full hero, good offensive line

953
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 4: and Derek Newton and one of the best slot corners,

954
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 4: Chris Harrishooter.

955
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: That's a good draft, revision history draft. It's good. A

956
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: revision's history draft that you can have.

957
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 5: That's good.

958
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 4: Let's put some emphasis on that revisionist history. Rick Smith, heyes,

959
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 4: great work.

960
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I mean, look, we talked about jat

961
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: you got and t. J.

962
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 5: Yates.

963
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: I mean you got JJ Watt and Brooks Reed. Brook

964
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: was great.

965
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: Brook Reed was solid from a just you know, just

966
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: looking back historically, you could have yeah, yeah, you know,

967
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: thinks some things could have changed. It's no doubt, but

968
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: you end up with a folk hero backup quarterback who

969
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: has you know, engineered maybe the greatest moment in team history.

970
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 2: You have the greatest, arguably the greatest player in team history.

971
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: You end up with a really solid outside linebacker and

972
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: Brooks Reed and Derek Newton who ended up being a

973
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: seventh rounder who started for you and was it was

974
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: pretty damp good at tackle, and then when he had

975
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 2: to move to guard every now and again, he actually

976
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: played that pretty well. That to me, twenty eleven. Hopefully

977
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: years on end, you'll look back and people will probably

978
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 2: forget about TJ and Derek Newton. They shouldn't, but they will,

979
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: and they'll just remember that's the draft that JJ got drafted,

980
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: and that's enough for them.

981
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: Hopefully we've had some drafts in twenty three.

982
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: We'll look back at the one at twenty four, the

983
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: top four guys, and hopefully they turn into players, and

984
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: we'll look at twenty four with that sort of reverence.

985
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: Twenty eleven was a damn good draft just as it was.

986
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: I mean, we obviously took it to different level because

987
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: it's revision, it's history fourteen years later. But Rick did

988
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: a pretty good job with that draft.

989
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 5: I sure did. It was a fun one.

990
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: It's fun to do.

991
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 5: Revision is history. That's what we do here on in

992
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 5: the Yeah, geeky John love doing this with you.

993
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that was awesome.

994
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 4: We'll have the big mock draft simulation on Wednesday, the

995
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 4: day before the draft next week. It's always gonna be fun,

996
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 4: and we're gonna pick for the Texans and it's probably

997
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 4: gonna look nothing like what they actually do. It'll be

998
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 4: fun to see two weeks from now if any of

999
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: our picks next Wednesday align with with the actual one.

1000
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: So of course, I love doing our in the life

1001
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: mock draft simulators I play around with all the time,

1002
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: and then Drew and I discuss it. We go through options,

1003
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: and it's always awesome to bounce ideas off of Drew.

1004
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: We bounced them off each other, kind of like we

1005
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 2: did with this redraft. It was really a blast, man.

1006
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: We had such a good time doing that redraft at

1007
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: twenty eleven. There have been some great drafts in the

1008
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: history of this franchise. You know, everybody's gonna remember twenty

1009
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: twenty three. I think twenty twenty four is gonna be

1010
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 2: one of those stealth ones, like if you get Blake

1011
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: Fisher locked in it right tackle and Caleb Bullock and

1012
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: Kamari last year, continue rise and Kate Stover makes the strides.

1013
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna make. I think we're gonna look

1014
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: back at twenty twenty four and think what a great

1015
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 2: draft that was. So we know about twenty twenty three

1016
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: that one knocked out of the park. Two thousand and

1017
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: six is great and nine twenty eleven is always gonna

1018
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 2: be remembered for JJ.

1019
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: But I think the TJ.

1020
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeats and Derek Newton draft picks were hugely important to

1021
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 2: the organization for many, many years for those two.

1022
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: So that was fun to do it. Redraft, appreciate Drew

1023
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: for stopping by.

1024
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: Appreciate Mark for being here, all of you guys for

1025
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: being along for the ride.

1026
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: We're almost there, six days away.

1027
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: It'll be that much more fun when the Texans are

1028
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: on a clock at number twenty five or before or

1029
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 2: later or maybe the next day.

1030
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: So we'll see you then, everybody, and as always, go Texans.