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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: These are some of our favorite segments from this week,

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Speaker 1: all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles,

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Speaker 1: thank you. We are thrilled to be joined in our

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Speaker 1: third seat by a very funny pop culture expert, one

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Speaker 1: of our favorite first time guests back for the second time,

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Speaker 1: one of your favorite first time guests. Also a restaurant expert,

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Speaker 1: a restaurant food critic, yes, apparently a s'mores expert who

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Speaker 1: hosts the show Black People of Paramore. It's a coil.

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Speaker 3: Welcome. I'm still having me such a.

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Speaker 2: Have you.

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Speaker 3: I was just saying off Mike before, I was like,

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Speaker 3: I love your Drake based restaurant reviews where you take

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Speaker 3: a Drake lyric and then you hunt down like the

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Speaker 3: restaurant and dish or you know, you try to have

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Speaker 3: the meal comparable. And I'm like I said, for people

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Speaker 3: who are like you know, there's a lot of hype

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Speaker 3: restaurants to get dropped in these Drake tracks. Let's the coil.

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Speaker 3: You do the exploring for you so you don't have

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Speaker 3: to take a potential expensive l at a nice restaurant,

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Speaker 3: so I'll take yeah, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Do you tuck your napkin when you're eating there? Do

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Speaker 1: you tug your napkin in your shirt?

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Speaker 4: Because you know, I really do consider tug my nap

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Speaker 4: in my shirt because I'm just moumping like yeah, my

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Speaker 4: boy first said so, I was like, oh, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, you know you go to those steakhouses that have

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Speaker 3: like the button slit in the napkin for like for

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Speaker 3: you to play. That's when I was like, oh, okay.

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Speaker 3: That's when I was like, there's there are levels even

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Speaker 3: the napkins. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, Like and I was like, damn,

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Speaker 3: I got up in here with a T shirt and

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Speaker 3: maybe I'll have a little bit of a button I

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Speaker 3: can next time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you so what kind of It's only Drake based.

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Speaker 4: Thus far, but take a lyric, go to the restaurant

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Speaker 4: the Drake name drops and great his taste so far

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Speaker 4: he has decent taste, you know, but I don't expand

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Speaker 4: other rappers also, do you know restaurant stuff?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like ghost Face will say a lot of

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Speaker 3: food rhymes, but they're really not attached in a coherent

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Speaker 3: way to a restaurant, because it'll be like, you know,

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Speaker 3: Linguini off the boot sole and you're like, huh, where's that?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the cheesecake factory. One of I think

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing American culture has has yet created is

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Speaker 1: the cheesecake factory.

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Speaker 3: Hip Hop you go, cheesecake Factory, Jazz hip hop, Jazz

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Speaker 3: hip hop, cheesecake Factory top tier.

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Speaker 1: There's tears.

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Speaker 3: Oh so jazz hip hop, cheesecake Factory are in that

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Speaker 3: top tier.

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Speaker 1: The first three things. I'm pretty sure ken Burns has

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Speaker 1: a documentary that Ken Burns Cheesecake Factory documentary. But that's

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Speaker 1: where I wanted to go for my birth I recently

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Speaker 1: had a birthday. I wanted to go there, but it

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Speaker 1: didn't work out because we were also seeing Oppenheimer. So

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Speaker 1: I saw I went to a local place, the California

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Speaker 1: Pizza Kitchen. Oh yeah, the Californians LA people will know

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Speaker 1: all about that. It's a little local haunt. Else Man,

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Speaker 1: we had one of the best dining experiences I can remember.

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Speaker 3: It was so good. Wait, what about R what about CPK,

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Speaker 3: R h CPK what happened? What? Oh?

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Speaker 1: It was? I just had I have my standard tie

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Speaker 1: peanut chicken thie chicken peanuts pizza. They also have like

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Speaker 1: a bacon avocado egg roll that.

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Speaker 3: Is so like bacon that when a cheesecake factory too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it's like just copied.

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Speaker 1: I think Chili's also has one that's very similar.

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Speaker 3: They call them like Southwest egg rolls or something, and

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Speaker 3: you're like, fine, let's good.

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Speaker 1: They kept the diet cokes coming. You know, it's just

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Speaker 1: right under it. Chin Restaurants truly.

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Speaker 3: What's them? What's your favorite chain restaurant?

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Speaker 1: I Lovezkis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you go next per It sounded like when I

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Speaker 3: when when Her Majesty told me she never saw a

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Speaker 3: city of God or kill bill.

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Speaker 4: You.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's anything for the pazuki. If you want to

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Speaker 3: have a perfect Burbank day, you know, spend some time

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Speaker 3: at I get lunch at Ikea, and then and maybe

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Speaker 3: catch a movie if you'd look. If you're feeling spicy,

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Speaker 3: hit the Islands if you're but if not, go to

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Speaker 3: b Jas yes where the good times are all Speaking

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Speaker 3: to my childhood. That was like, I know you're from

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Speaker 3: got to have those balance of things. Those are like

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Speaker 3: the goaded chain places. For me for sure, that's it

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Speaker 3: Islands forever, Islands Forever. That is one that I know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's that national island.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's you gotta get the little calivin Islands,

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Speaker 3: Shake, yeah exactly, the yaki, the chicken tacos is what

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Speaker 3: I get, not the burger. Not a big burger guy

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Speaker 3: when I go there, you know me, No, exactly, gotta

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Speaker 3: have those, gotta have the gotta have cheese fries. You

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Speaker 3: gotta have my grilled chicken tacos. But I take the

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Speaker 3: pineapple out anyway. That's my order.

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Speaker 1: And that there they think they're a burger spot, but

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Speaker 1: they're like that, that's not what people actually go there.

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Speaker 3: For now.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone be like, you gotta have the

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Speaker 1: burger at Islands. But there's like a number of items

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Speaker 1: that people really swear by. Oh yeah, they have like

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Speaker 1: good there.

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Speaker 3: Their drinks are really good over yeah. And and those

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Speaker 3: NonStop surf videos on loop Okay, what's that? Ignore me

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Speaker 3: I just said. And those NonStop like nineties surf videos.

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Speaker 3: They just have one loop by the oldest very but yeah,

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Speaker 3: go ahead, put it on loop.

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Speaker 1: What is something from your search history?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so my search history that I from ted A

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Speaker 5: is I googled inventor of the wheelchair and his name

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Speaker 5: is stephone or probably Steven Farflir, and I googled him

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Speaker 5: because I wanted to write an inappropriate joke about how

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Speaker 5: I believe that the inventor of the wheelchair just really

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Speaker 5: wanted some pussy and then that's how the wheelchair was invented.

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Speaker 5: And I tweeted it out, and then I was like, oh,

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Speaker 5: let me Actually, before I tweeted out, I should say

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Speaker 5: I looked up who invented the wheelchair? Because I was like, man,

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Speaker 5: I already know somebody's gonna be met everybody. The thing

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Speaker 5: now how people are going to be offended. And I

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Speaker 5: being like, how do you know then invented? And it's like, oh,

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Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think that the person who's credited

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Speaker 5: for inventing the wheelchair is the person who invented the wheelchair.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm sure there was like some fucking ancient

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Speaker 5: indigenous motherfucker who invettered that shit that will never get

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Speaker 5: the credit for it. That's the truth of the matter.

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Speaker 5: But I like, you always have to be prepared, and

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Speaker 5: I hate that.

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Speaker 3: So that's a really good way to know me.

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Speaker 5: I fucking hate that our crowds have gotten so like

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Speaker 5: PC that everything has to be worded so perfectly, and

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Speaker 5: it's like, that's not how comedy works, guys, Like it's

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Speaker 5: just me making a fucking joke about how thirsty men are,

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Speaker 5: and people are like, that's not historically the good.

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Speaker 3: Guy, right, It's like, can you focus on some actual

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Speaker 3: problematic comedy. It'll come at me for like presuming the

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Speaker 3: gender or identity of the person who made the wheelchair,

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Speaker 3: because I'm trying to make you laugh by saying wheelchair

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Speaker 3: was invented by a horny guy. That's the distillation, and

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Speaker 3: y'all not fucking with that exactly. So that's a little

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Speaker 3: about me. Look, I'm at my comedy set up made

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Speaker 3: me laugh, so I'm fucking with it.

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Speaker 1: It's is your presents that the inventor needed a wheelchair

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Speaker 1: to get to the pussy or the the inventor was

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Speaker 1: just trying to okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like he was at home.

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Speaker 5: He's like, man, that Susie told me, I could get

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Speaker 5: it if I could just get to her.

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Speaker 3: But my legs don't work. Get this, and I can't

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Speaker 3: have my dad carry me again exactly.

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Speaker 5: All that rubble that he has to fucking drag me through,

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Speaker 5: like yo, he he that's desperation. That's innovation via desperation,

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Speaker 5: which we all know is how the best ship is

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Speaker 5: invented us through.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeahsation. Yeah, those are like the two pillars of

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Speaker 3: pure creation.

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Speaker 1: Poppenheimer anything you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pussy Poppenheimer.

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Speaker 1: I need to become Death, the destroyer of worlds, he

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Speaker 1: said as he had sex for the first time.

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Speaker 5: Jack, did you get enough sleep last night? Why you

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Speaker 5: seem really like you don't want to be here with

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Speaker 5: me today today?

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Speaker 1: Am I wagging?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 3: I think you're lacking is the real word. She wants

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Speaker 3: you a little bit of a little bit brighter, Jack,

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Speaker 3: She's taking it.

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Speaker 5: I need you, Jack, I need you. I can't be

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Speaker 5: mean to you when you seem a little down in

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Speaker 3: What I get a good nice seep? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Did you have a nice breakfast? What did you have

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Speaker 1: Three eggs and an English muffin. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: That's good. Damn.

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Speaker 7: Like we both are like, oh ship three eggs, two,

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Speaker 7: you get to workout. I think I'm just trying to

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Speaker 7: loosen you up.

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Speaker 1: Jack, Okay, okay, because I was in the middle of

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Speaker 1: a sentence and I did.

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Speaker 5: I don't give up. I can ask about how you're

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Speaker 3: Because Marcella, you were lagged. You were lagging on the car,

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Speaker 3: so like when so when Jack started talking to it

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Speaker 3: seemed like you had nothing to say and then you say,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, are you okay?

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Speaker 8: Jack?

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Speaker 3: Like it was like some so I love hit. What

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Speaker 3: is what something you think is overridden? What do I

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Speaker 3: think is overrated?

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Speaker 9: I think not voting is overrated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, not voting.

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Speaker 9: Here's what's going to happen here.

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Speaker 6: People are not going to vote because they think it's

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Speaker 6: a waste of time. But it turns out that I,

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Speaker 6: as a person who ran for office just now and

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Speaker 6: lost by a number of votes, if I had gotten

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Speaker 6: more votes, I would have won.

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Speaker 3: Right, So it.

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Speaker 6: Turns out voting is very important. No matter what fucking

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Speaker 6: Republicans say about it. That's still how we're doing it.

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Speaker 6: That's how it's done, and that's why they're saying it's fake,

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Speaker 6: and that's why they spend all their money. It's the

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Speaker 6: only thing we have, it's the only real thing. And

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Speaker 6: I'm very susceptible to this shit. You hear enough people

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Speaker 6: on TV talking about something being fake, it can't help

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Speaker 6: but make even the smartest person go, maybe it's fake,

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Speaker 6: Maybe it's fake.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just.

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Speaker 6: Now it's just about tax.

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Speaker 6: So, but for a long time, America had a bunch

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Speaker 6: But I just want to say that I got thirteen

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Speaker 6: But thirteen thousand people voting for me as a first

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Speaker 6: I will tell you right now.

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Speaker 3: And I know that now.

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Speaker 6: In fact, now I suspected it, but now I know

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Speaker 9: If you're a nice person, if you're an honest person,

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Speaker 3: Go for it.

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Speaker 1: Surely you had to like get hired by the Democratic

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Speaker 6: Well, I just I just I went and spoke at

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Speaker 6: and let's use that money for a decent for decent

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Speaker 3: Know, or whatever, a bus stop that has a roof on.

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Speaker 3: That say, oh, this person's riding the bus. Okay, yes,

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Speaker 3: I mean if you are, there's that guy.

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Speaker 6: No, you live in a in a functioning society in

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Speaker 3: The side of. You know. Anyway, it's Nashville is a whole.

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Speaker 6: Hey, guess what it turns out if you don't pay

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Speaker 6: And I'm reporting from.

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Speaker 3: Inside the shark. Inside the shark, it's.

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Speaker 9: Full of sad people waiting for doctor visits. It's a

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Speaker 3: And I'm crazy.

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Speaker 9: I'm just doing some poetry now.

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Speaker 10: Beautiful lottery tickets is America, and America.

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Speaker 6: there's more poetry.

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Speaker 6: So, so anyway that the thing is all you have

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Speaker 6: an Act Blue account, which is a well, if you're progressive,

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Speaker 6: that's the progressive like yeah, money hoovering aggressive. I hate

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Speaker 9: Or hateful and the others like hate group.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's only two. Yeah forwards do you like human rights? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Or backwards or forwards or violence or no violence, those

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Speaker 1: Yeah so yeah.

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Speaker 3: So Chris, I just I like how you said, how

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Speaker 9: The first time I went.

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Speaker 6: To a mayoral forum, my friend Lizzie Cooperman.

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Speaker 9: You guys know, Lizzie Cooperman, just like, are you gonna

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Speaker 3: As much?

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Speaker 6: You keep saying like you say mayor all like? I

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Speaker 2: May oral moor or.

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Speaker 6: Mayoral forums are where the candidates from mayor here in

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Speaker 6: Yeah, crazy person, crazy guy, Oh bunk rock. Oh he's rude.

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Speaker 6: Oh he's rude and crazy. And that's how you revolt

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Speaker 10: That's revolution is being asleep all the time with like

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Speaker 1: Somebody's kind of impressive.

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Speaker 10: Sleep on the floor with a cigarette in your ass,

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Speaker 6: No, So like that that was the old self where

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Speaker 6: I thought revolution was accomplished by being belligerent and burning bridges,

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Speaker 6: Revolution is building bridges, not burning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Wait, so what happened at the mayoral form This

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Speaker 9: It's my fault too, that's wall I drank.

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Speaker 3: We're the hosts and you're the guest. I drank.

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Speaker 9: I drank a lot of it.

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Speaker 3: I just did it. And now I saw you looking

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Speaker 6: It's not necessarily the best thing to do a level

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Speaker 6: So the mayoral forum, I was just like, oh my god.

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Speaker 9: Why aren't I running for mayor?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: Like, far from being far from being intimidated, I was

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Speaker 6: you need a significant amount of money, and people are

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 9: People are they're they're they are.

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Speaker 6: They want their candidate to be the kind of person

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Speaker 6: cigar and it's the greatest experience this candidate's ever had

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Speaker 6: in his life, you know.

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Speaker 2: What I mean.

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Speaker 6: The one golf around, one one golf club that has

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Speaker 6: his name engraved on it.

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Speaker 3: And he's there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you can pull them the wildlife Refuge.

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Speaker 9: Oh my god, no one's ever given me a gift before.

447
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Speaker 6: This is the first time I've been in a room

448
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Speaker 6: with more than four people in it.

449
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Speaker 3: Did people come to you. Did did anybody?

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Speaker 1: I'd imagine you're pretty clear that you're not like a

451
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Speaker 1: party man, But did you get a by any like

452
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Speaker 1: political operatives insiders?

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Speaker 6: Yes, just a little bit, But I mean I'm not

454
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Speaker 6: I don't have enough power at this. I mean I

455
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Speaker 6: wasn't enough of a known quantity to really get bothered.

456
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Speaker 6: So I just got like people who are some some

457
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Speaker 6: billionaire startup thing that's trying to get you to use

458
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Speaker 6: their app. And those guys that were working for were okay,

459
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Speaker 6: and they were trying I think maybe they were trying

460
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Speaker 6: to do the right thing, but I was just like,

461
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Speaker 6: this sounds like they're like our our billionaire benefactor is

462
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Speaker 6: just sick of politics the way they are, and it's

463
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Speaker 6: like already.

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Speaker 9: I'm just like, yeah, that's not a real thing.

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Speaker 6: Billionaires don't care about anything, so that are already out.

466
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Speaker 3: And then you're like, you know, I'm not a white supremacist, right,

467
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Speaker 3: They're like, oh, oh okay, sorry, sorry, so never mind,

468
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Speaker 3: sorry sorry. I actually think.

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Speaker 6: These were nice people. I think they thought that they're

470
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Speaker 6: billionaire overlord. Actually was like a guy who's had it

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Speaker 6: with partisan politics, Like I don't.

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Speaker 3: This is happening in entertainment too, where I've heard tell

473
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Speaker 3: now like a few billionaire like scion types who have

474
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Speaker 3: all this money because their parents fucked up business, and

475
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Speaker 3: like they want to subvert that, like with their billions

476
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Speaker 3: of dollars, but they kind of don't know where to start.

477
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Speaker 3: And it is a little interesting thing where you see

478
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Speaker 3: these people like, look, I know I have like this

479
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 3: money comes from fucking death ships, but yeah, I want

480
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Speaker 3: to make sure Trump isn't president and make some cool

481
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Speaker 3: stuff along the way. So I feel like you can

482
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Speaker 3: you definitely there there is that kind of like billionaire

483
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Speaker 3: with with a form like a very infant or a

484
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Speaker 3: very newborn form of consciousness coming online.

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Speaker 6: Might be Yeah, yeah, I'm so unsympathetic to those people,

486
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Speaker 6: Like I can't even believe, you know, I no sympathy.

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Speaker 3: Oh your empires.

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Speaker 6: You're finally realizing, like, oh, you're coming to some you know,

489
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Speaker 6: you're starting to you know, understand the the you know,

490
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Speaker 6: and like you're just gonna give a little bit of

491
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Speaker 6: your give all your money back, then give it all back,

492
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Speaker 6: give it all the fucking go, go go start the

493
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Speaker 6: world's largest food pantry.

494
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Speaker 9: You had to throw away all your money, Get ready

495
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Speaker 9: to you know, get out of here.

496
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Speaker 3: I'm starting to feel like maybe fuck off.

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Speaker 6: So you know, I'm not I'm not interested in slowly

498
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Speaker 6: waking up billionaires.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm a sleepy eyed Oh.

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Speaker 6: I think maybe we did bad things, like fuck you

501
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Speaker 6: you fucking oh.

502
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Speaker 9: Maybe maybe playing polo is not helpful. Maybe playing polo

503
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Speaker 9: in Dubai is actually quite shallow.

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Speaker 6: So I I got the I got the certification. I

505
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Speaker 6: went and I did the signatures, and then I started

506
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Speaker 6: my bank account. I had to file a little bit

507
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Speaker 6: of paperwork, which is a pain in the ass. I

508
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Speaker 6: mean it was like a bunch of stuff I didn't

509
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Speaker 6: want to do, certainly. I mean like there was some

510
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Speaker 6: paperwork that almost drove me insane, like me uploading uploading

511
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Speaker 6: a fucking spreadsheet into a portal, right, I mean that

512
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Speaker 6: was like, I mean, for someone who's fifty four years old,

513
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Speaker 6: that's like, you know, why don't you just fucking jump

514
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Speaker 6: out the fucking windows.

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Speaker 9: This is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

516
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Speaker 9: And that was excruciating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hold on, hold that thought.

518
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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, we're gonna come back

519
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Speaker 1: and talk about spreadsheets. Back, and we're back, and I

520
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: gotta say, like, so, you know, I've read read the

521
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: news for for this, for this job, but to this

522
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Speaker 1: point my and not really. You know, you folks can

523
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Speaker 1: tell I'm just I'm skimming here and there. But in

524
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Speaker 1: terms of like my fiction intake, the climate change fiction

525
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Speaker 1: that I've taken in over the course of my life

526
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Speaker 1: has mainly been mad the Mad Max is, Yeah, all

527
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Speaker 1: the Mad Max films, water World, huh, the Day after Tomorrow?

528
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.

529
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Speaker 1: And I think that's like, yeah, I mean twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: I think du like seems like it should be a

531
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Speaker 1: climate change parable, but it's actually it goes out of

532
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Speaker 1: its way to say that it's like something weird happening

533
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: with a core of the Earth.

534
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Speaker 3: Yeah, new neutrinos jack from a solar flare obviously are

535
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Speaker 3: doing something in a core or something. But it's also

536
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Speaker 3: twenty twelve mins new that shit. So it was a

537
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 3: spooky year. Yeah, dude, did you did you buy in?

538
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Speaker 3: Did you even party you think about twenty twelve?

539
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: No?

540
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Speaker 1: We I mean a cracked We definitely covered the bullshit,

541
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Speaker 1: but we I did not.

542
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Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't believe. It was not hard to me.

543
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: I remember in two thousand and nine I started thinking

544
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Speaker 3: about it. Oh yeah, A look is like damn, I'm

545
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Speaker 3: twenty five, Like what can I get done? Like can

546
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Speaker 3: I make my mom proud through twenty twelve? Because right

547
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: now I'm like living with her and like just eating

548
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: all her food and shit, like going to get a

549
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 3: job in the recession, Like please, what do I do?

550
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was.

551
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Speaker 1: Scariest of all years. There were those Mitt Romney videos.

552
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I.

553
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Speaker 1: Don't know the solutions of those films, and in just

554
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: like the popular imagination to a large degree, seems to

555
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: be everyone's gonna die and then you're left behind because

556
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: you're the main character of the story to kill or

557
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 1: be killed. I think the Day after Tomorrow. I remember

558
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: ending with people like on the space station looking at

559
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: the globe and the US is like mostly frozen ice. Yeah,

560
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: and then they're like, yeah, but the air never looked

561
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: so clean. It's like that's the earth healing itself, killing

562
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Speaker 1: us all off.

563
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 3: So just yeah, just put just freezing North America is

564
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Speaker 3: the solution. I mean, fine, if so be it, I guess, yeah,

565
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: do you have anything else to offer.

566
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Speaker 1: Us that does seem to be like sort of stylish

567
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Speaker 1: Nehilism seems to be the way that is, at least

568
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Speaker 1: I think I default approached climate change until like we

569
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Speaker 1: really started digging into.

570
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Speaker 3: It, right, because like books like Man are not books,

571
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 3: you know, novels like water World. Again, the novelization, very

572
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Speaker 3: fucking water World fucked me up so bad as a kid,

573
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Speaker 3: like fucked me up because when din't they come out

574
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: like ninety four or some shit. I'm like ten years old.

575
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 3: I went to see that the Magic Johnson Theater with

576
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 3: my grandfather and he was like, wow, He's like that's

577
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Speaker 3: I was like, what a movie hunt? And I was

578
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: like shaken to my core as it can really yeah,

579
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Speaker 3: And I was like.

580
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Speaker 1: Because you were like, this is how we're going to

581
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Speaker 1: be living, and.

582
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Speaker 3: Well, the logic made sense because like you knew about

583
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Speaker 3: like the earth heating up and pollution and things at

584
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: the time. Right now, we have just celebrated getting rid

585
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Speaker 3: of styrofoam, I remember, and like CFC's and shit, and

586
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: but like but the logic, path of earth become warm

587
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: ice cap ice melt, therefore the water everywhere visa v Yeah.

588
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: And I was a bad swimmer. I was a weak swimmer,

589
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: Like I was a terrible swimmer. So there was nothing

590
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: more terrifying than a world where everything was someone's pool

591
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: party where I sucked at swimming. Yeah you know what

592
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: I mean. Yeah, And so like there were multiple layers

593
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: to it, and again that shit didn't really offer you

594
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: any solutions side from like maybe you could find this

595
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: map to find a fucking hidden island you could fucking

596
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: live on or some shit.

597
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was like you're gonna have to wear

598
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: a T shirt to cover your weird chest hair because

599
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: it's a pool.

600
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Speaker 3: Party exactly, and I think the kids aren't ready to

601
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: really accept that yet or your three hairs you have

602
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Speaker 3: on your armpit.

603
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Speaker 1: My chest hair grew in. I still have a weird

604
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: patch of chest hair, but it grew in asymmetrically.

605
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Speaker 3: What do you mean, Like it favored one side of your.

606
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: Chest favored one side and was very like it wasn't

607
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: like a small amount came at a time. It was like, Bam,

608
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Speaker 1: there's a weird patch of hair. Like I was just

609
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Speaker 1: like one tenth of my chest was werewolf right away,

610
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: no way, yeah yeah, and just like ca down like

611
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: the left chestor guy the way you had to wait

612
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: so so ah, so you were you were rocking you

613
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Speaker 1: were rocking the shirt in the pool kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: Sweatshirt in the pool.

615
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 11: No sweatshirt, No, but but yeah, that that was a

616
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 11: thought that crossed my mind.

617
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. If that's if that's water World, then that's your

618
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: your cross the bear too. But but yeah, no, I

619
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: think all that to say is like, so from time immemorial,

620
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Speaker 3: my concept of climate change is literally skip any anything

621
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: in the middle. It's just jumped to the like Earth death,

622
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: where like I'm holding the dust that was once my family.

623
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it ignores like what the reality of the

624
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: next you know, forty years is probably going to look like. So,

625
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: so the goal of the Ministry for the Future is

626
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: to imagine like the time between now and you know

627
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: when it's it's like people describe it as like utopian,

628
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: but millions of people like die from climate change, which

629
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: it seems like might be inevitable, But it's describes a

630
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: possibility of like humanity changing the way that we live

631
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: on the earth to actually like have a chance. And

632
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: it's very I don't know, I kept waiting for it

633
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: to like have like a plot twist or something where

634
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: it's like and actually I was the one blowing up

635
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: those planes because and instead it's just very it's kind

636
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: of hyper like it feels like his goal the whole

637
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: time is just like keep it realistic, and this is

638
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: like the main character is a bureaucrat and you are

639
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: just like kind of working through it. And it's I

640
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: read a review that said it it's interesting in the

641
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: way that like the map of your hotel room floor

642
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: becomes interesting when someone pulls the fire alarm, Like you

643
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: are just like, okay, well this this is certainly relevant

644
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: to me. Now. It's not like I'm not saying it's bad.

645
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: It's definitely worth reading. But it's like it really delves

646
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: into like there's long passages that there's just meetings with

647
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: like finance people and stuff and like talking about how

648
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: you would make this shit possible, but.

649
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: Gives you a much more vivid, you know, idea of

650
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: of like what potentially is is the work or the

651
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: processes that we're going to undertake, rather than like, because

652
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: I feel so much of what we're experiencing right now

653
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: is just to be like, so are we ever going

654
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: to get off fossil fuels?

655
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

656
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: And then we kind of feel really fucking just destitute

657
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: and downtrodden and like you know, hopeless because of just

658
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: like focusing on one part when this is like a

659
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: multifaceted issue with many ways to approach it to solve it.

660
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: And I think that's what that's why I appreciate works

661
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: like that that can kind of break our minds out

662
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Speaker 3: a little bit of that like pattern of thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I truly just have a very difficult time imagining

664
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Speaker 1: an end of capitalism because I like it's a quote,

665
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Speaker 1: like it's been associated with the author of this book,

666
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Speaker 1: He's not the one who said it, and like when

667
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: I've heard him interviewed about it, he's like, I don't

668
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't like that quote anymore. But like it's easier

669
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Speaker 1: to imagine the end of the world than the end

670
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Speaker 1: of capitalism. For me, that rings true, Like I just couldn't. Yeah,

671
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Speaker 1: And therefore every solution that like comes up, I'm like,

672
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: but corporations are just gonna like fuck that out of existence,

673
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Speaker 1: Like if you like any anything like that is just

674
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: going to get ruined by us. And I think one

675
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Speaker 1: of the things that I learned in reading this book

676
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Speaker 1: is that it's hard to imagine the next forty years

677
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Speaker 1: from inside the United States, and like especially from inside

678
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Speaker 1: like if you pay a lot of attention to the

679
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Speaker 1: United States zeitgeist, like it is, it has not been

680
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: leading us in a direction that would suggest like that

681
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: these things are possible, right that we're going to be

682
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Speaker 1: talking about. So I don't know, let's let's dive in.

683
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Speaker 1: I mean, the first big question. The book suggests that,

684
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Speaker 1: like the radicalizing event that will bring about this sort

685
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Speaker 1: of global zeitgeist change is that India sees a heat

686
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Speaker 1: wave that kills like five million people. Like it's the

687
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Speaker 1: there's a certain point at which if the humidity is

688
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: high enough and the heat is high enough, your body

689
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: just can't cope, Like the human body can't cope. And

690
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: so like it seems like if things don't change, this

691
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Speaker 1: is something that's somewhat inevitable. And this radicalizes India as

692
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Speaker 1: a country and they start doing some of the things

693
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Speaker 1: that have been like sort of controversial ideas that people

694
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Speaker 1: have put out there, like you know, putting reflective material

695
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: in the upper atmosphere to reflect to like basically dim

696
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: the sun that we did miss snow piercer as anos

697
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: another cheerful look at how we might address climate change.

698
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Speaker 1: But they call it in the book like a double Pinatubo,

699
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: because Pentatubo was the volcanic eruption that most recently like

700
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Speaker 1: significantly altered the temperature globally for a period of time

701
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Speaker 1: like I think a year or two, and so like

702
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Speaker 1: the people of India drop like a double penitubo on

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Speaker 1: the rest of our asses over the objection from the

704
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Speaker 1: un And it's temporary, but it like you know, it's

705
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: the first thing that changes people and starts getting people

706
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: motivated to all right, how are we going to deal

707
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 1: with this? We need like.

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Speaker 3: Because that can never happen again.

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00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that can never happen again. It's the largest mass

710
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Speaker 1: death like in the history of them.

711
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: And again, if you're just tuning and we're talking about

712
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: a science fiction book.

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Speaker 1: Talking about if you're just joining us, this is Terry Groen,

714
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: Stanley Roberts, but like it's science fiction. But a recent

715
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: article in The New Yorker pointed out that we're actually

716
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: like not far from the thing from that inciting incident happening.

717
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: Like this spring, or I guess it was last spring

718
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: saw the most dire pre monsoon heat wave in Indian history,

719
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: and it was only a slightly lower humidity that prevented

720
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Speaker 1: a real life, you know, event on par with what

721
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Speaker 1: happens in the book, and still like lots of people died,

722
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Speaker 1: lots of people are dying from heat already, you know,

723
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Speaker 1: and it's just our I don't know, like it. We've talked,

724
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Speaker 1: we've suggested that it's just you know, because it's hard

725
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Speaker 1: to imagine and there aren't that many movies that depict

726
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: people dying from heat, so you like you don't really

727
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: have it in your head, like what that looks like.

728
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: And the pictures that come with it in newspapers are

729
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: people having fun while opening.

730
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: Up a fire hydrunt right, yea.

731
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Speaker 1: And so this is an event that like kind of

732
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Speaker 1: makes it real for everybody in India at least, and

733
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Speaker 1: that that seems to be something that they also wrestle

734
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Speaker 1: with that I'm glad they did. It's not like all

735
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, everybody in Texas is like, man, what

736
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Speaker 1: happened to the people in India is really bad and

737
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Speaker 1: we need to act on it. In the book, they're like,

738
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Speaker 1: it needs to happen to you or to like your

739
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: community for it to be real too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And clearly we're I mean, that's usually how the

741
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: US works, is like it has to literally be on

742
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Speaker 3: your fucking doorstep, walk through the door, and fuck your

743
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 3: shit up, and then you're like, oh, okay, yeah, so

744
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: that's a thing. But yeah.

745
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: He talks about an example of like a neighborhood that

746
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: got destroyed by a tornado and like the people the

747
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,959
Speaker 1: neighborhood over were like, yeah, well that was on them.

748
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: They were they were in the path of that tornado,

749
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: and it's like that could have been anything.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like even like those like like small group

751
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: of Republicans in North Carolina, they're like really worried about

752
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: sea level rise and yeah, like there other people like

753
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 3: just shut up.

754
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Speaker 1: They're like I live here and I'm watching it. What

755
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Right? Yeah, But anyways, so he

756
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: wrote this book in twenty nineteen, right, he gave a

757
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Speaker 1: speech this past April that he actually said the book

758
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: is too bleak, Like he says, calling like the book

759
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: talks about how the thirties is what he calls the

760
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: zombie decade because of all the like institutions that are

761
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: still coasting on the inertia of you know, the past

762
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: order of things, right, which you know, banks running everything

763
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: in the United States and stuff like that. Even though

764
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: they no longer serve us or you know, make sense

765
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: in the world, and he thinks that's actually already too pessimistic,

766
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: and like, to me, that sounds like, oh, that's a

767
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: great description of the world as it feels inside America

768
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: right now. Between Yeah, just things that are coasting off

769
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: of inertia. But he sees a lot of like really

770
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: cool programs around the world that he finds encouraging. I

771
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: do think this book kind of turned him into a

772
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Speaker 1: public eco intellectual, and so he is getting a lot

773
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: of the information about like all the stuff people are trying,

774
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: which is cool. It's it's stuff that doesn't get covered

775
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: in the mainstream media and that's probably why, you know,

776
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it so much, because it

777
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: does feel like it's being kept like a secret right

778
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: from us, and it's kind of important information.

779
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Speaker 3: So what are the kind of departures from our you know,

780
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Speaker 3: are our current norm that you know, that society moves

781
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Speaker 3: into in terms of like addressing this.

782
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone just needs to get a tesla and you're good. Yeah,

783
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: just get a tesla and give you money and we're

784
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: good here.

785
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Speaker 3: Oh then all right, well, dude, it's been a great episode,

786
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Speaker 3: right Gang you heard it, Get it Tesla? Maybe get

787
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 3: that Tesla.

788
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Speaker 1: No, actually, there's it's conspicuous in the omission that like

789
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't even bring up electric vehicles, or if he does,

790
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: it's just like as a like there's more adoption of

791
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: this happening like in the early stages. Sure, sure we

792
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Speaker 1: actually like there's another thing for my search history is

793
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Speaker 1: like car bloat, which is something I found about found

794
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: out about over the weekend, which is that like, as

795
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Speaker 1: people are making this transition to electric vehicles, they're also

796
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Speaker 1: making the cars way big, way bigger on the roads

797
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Speaker 1: and even in your like Europe, I'm sorry, I picture

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Speaker 1: Europe as like a bunch of people hunched inside, like

799
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Speaker 1: those little tykes sides.

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Speaker 3: And you know those plastic red and yellow. Yeah yeah, like.

801
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: That's what I picture the shape of European cars. But

802
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: like the third most popular highest sales car model in

803
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Speaker 1: Europe in twenty twenty two is an sup like they're

804
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Speaker 1: they're turning into I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, we touched on just on the Normal Show

806
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: about how like people who are like city planning and

807
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: like do that kind of stuff, or just like cars

808
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 3: are too fucking big for streets, for fucking parking lots,

809
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: Like you're not like, what the it's eventually like the

810
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: cars are just gonna be too fucking big and people

811
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: are just gonna like fucking bump into each other. Not

812
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: to mention that these cars are just like way fucking

813
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 3: heavier and more tankish than ever too.

814
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much heavier like evs like it compared

815
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 1: to the like similar size gas burning vehicle. It's not like, well,

816
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: so you could should keep burning gas, but it's just

817
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: it's a good example of like how in the current system, right,

818
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: Like why I'm so cynical is like the current system

819
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: will find a way to take it and turn it

820
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 1: into like in this case, an arms race.

821
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like kind of consumer consumerist commodification fuck fest

822
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, yeah, the way we get out

823
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: of it is you buy this thing. Yeah, it's like

824
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: but that's more consumption when we're talking about concern what

825
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: the so what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so yeah, it's it's like breaking roads. And

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Speaker 1: it's also it's like really scary because those car carriers,

828
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: so the way the way that's being dealt with right now,

829
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Speaker 1: by the way just real quick, and then we'll get

830
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Speaker 1: into the things that actually work. But just as an

831
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Speaker 1: example of why this like hasn't naturally occurred to us,

832
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Speaker 1: Like this is what gets done with good ideas, is like,

833
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: so they get these giant like F one fifty up

834
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: trucks that are twice the size of like an F

835
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Speaker 1: one fifty and nineteen ninety three, but they're electronic and

836
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: then they are like one of the complaints that people

837
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Speaker 1: have is that when you have to like transport them,

838
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Speaker 1: they put them on the back of those car carriers. Yeah,

839
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: but they're so big that like they don't you can

840
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Speaker 1: only fit like a handful of them on.

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Speaker 3: The back of car weight wise, like because yes, you

842
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 3: can see them loaded up with like the normal combustion cars,

843
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: but the uvs are so much heavier.

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Speaker 1: Oh, those things are already the scariest things to be

845
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Speaker 1: driving next to it all high. Yeah, like those car

846
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Speaker 1: carriers where you like just see the weight, like you

847
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: can just see it. It looks like it's like a drunk

848
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Speaker 1: like three hundred pounds person, just like teetering next few

849
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Speaker 1: And I have seen bad boys too, so I'm already

850
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Speaker 1: like terrified of what's going to happen with those So

851
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: the way that the shipping and you know, trucking industry

852
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: is trying to deal with the fact that it's like

853
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: you can't fit as many on is just asking for

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Speaker 1: them to change the weight limit on car carriers so

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Speaker 1: that they can carry.

856
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: See right, more of them. We're we're not, We're not.

857
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Speaker 3: We're not rising to the occasion with like actual solutions stupidity.

858
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: So to make things more convenient for the sale objects.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so this novel asks you would imagine that,

860
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: like they're like, as the consequences of climate change continue

861
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: to become like realer and realer to people, you get

862
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: a world where people are like, wait, what if instead

863
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: of just doing that, what if we built more reasonably

864
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Speaker 1: sized cars, or what if since cars don't actually work

865
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Speaker 1: and electric vehicles are still polluting through the like manufacturing process,

866
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Speaker 1: Like what if we found other solutions for getting around?

867
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Speaker 3: Like what Yes?

868
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Speaker 1: So one of the things that he talks about is

869
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Speaker 1: just the need to transition to a post capitalist system

870
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Speaker 1: for world governance.

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00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: Just generally all right.

872
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: Just like that right, easy? Easy? Does it?

873
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? For sure.

874
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: The point is that like the climate and inequality are

875
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: part of the same problem, Like the extremely wealthy will

876
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: continue to make decisions as if the rest of us

877
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: don't exist because under the current system, like practically speaking,

878
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: as far as they're concerned, we don't exist. They never

879
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: have to see us, they never have to deal with

880
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: the consequences of their actions. But also capitalism is currently

881
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: constituted will continue to extract them, like burn fossil fuels

882
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: if not otherwise encumbered, right, and so like the current

883
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: system is set up to reward people for doing things

884
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: that are bad for us, right.

885
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, right, The incentives are things that are

886
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: not moving towards solutions or anything. Yeah, or they may

887
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: be perceived as that in the beginning, but ultimately know, yeah, and.

888
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: The most powerful country in the world is still the US,

889
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: and it's run by capitalism without restraint, like proudly like right. So,

890
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: one of the things he uses the model of Montdragon,

891
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: which is a worker owned collective in the Bosque region

892
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: of Spain Espannah by Bosco Bosco. So this is a

893
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: co op that it's a voluntary association ninety five autonomous

894
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: cooperatives that you know, each co op's highest paid executive

895
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: makes a most six times the salary of its lowest

896
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: paid employee. There are no outside shareholders. Instead, you have

897
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: a tryout period, and then if they like you enough,

898
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: you get a chance to buy in to be a

899
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: part owner of the company that you work for. Right,

900
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: and there is like a CEO type of person that's

901
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: called a managing director. And you know, but the members

902
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: themselves vote on many of everything.

903
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 3: I mean everything of.

904
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: Strategy, salaries, policy. The votes of all members, whether their

905
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: senior management or blue collar, all count equally.

906
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 3: So like in it, he's saying that like like moving

907
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 3: first of all, like we're gonna be probably up moving

908
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: towards worker owned collectives in order to survive. Yes, and

909
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: that is a really like that example. If you really

910
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 3: like read up on there's like documentaries or you can

911
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: find shit about the under gun like they it. It

912
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 3: will blow your mind as an American labor per worker

913
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: to see that you're like. And then so the person

914
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: right there in the factory line they own they also

915
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 3: own the company, yes exactly. And then but what happens

916
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 3: like if they make less money, what about layoffs? Well,

917
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: see they own the company. So then rather than answering

918
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: to shareholders who are saying, why I need my fucking

919
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: shareholder value to hold up? So you need to lop

920
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: some heads off and do layoffs. They decide internally what

921
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: has to be sacrificed, what can be dialed up, what

922
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 3: can be dialed down in order for the company to

923
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: keep going long term, And like that is such a

924
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: completely different way to engage with what you do for

925
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 3: work when you actually have ownership for it, which I'm

926
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 3: glad to see. Something like that would seem normal, like

927
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: would seem like naturally like a fair thing to somebody

928
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 3: if you like presented the idea to them.

929
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if the alternative of like just full blown

930
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: unfettered capitalism or neoliberalism. The current form of capitalism we

931
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: live under is just like we start to see the

932
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: evidence more clearly that it just doesn't like it's not possible.

933
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 3: Going, they got fucking little kids working at the bars now, right,

934
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 3: Like that's where we're at, and.

935
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: They can get their little hands inside the pint glasses, miles,

936
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: and they.

937
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: Can put help. Yeah, they keep the fruit flies out

938
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 3: of the mixer bottles, like no, this is but again yeah,

939
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: like we it we can see a play out because

940
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 3: it is almost going like we actually already have a script.

941
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 3: It's called idiocracy, right, yeah, yeah, it's is that version.

942
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: But my brain you know, is so like capitalism poisoned,

943
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: like it immediately when you talk about like a co op,

944
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 1: Like there's this quote in this profile of mondar Going

945
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: in the New Yorker where Larry Summers, our favorite guy,

946
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: Harvard president, so he must be liberal and smart characterized

947
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: co ops as intrinsically sleepy and short sighted. When you

948
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: put workers in charge of firms and you give them

949
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: substantial control over the firms, the one thing you do

950
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: not get is expansion. You get more for the people

951
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: who are already there. Wow, one is greedy and will

952
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,959
Speaker 1: try and fuck you, so you just have to fuck

953
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: them back. Like it's just that very basic, like intrinsic

954
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: kind of cellular greed capitalism model of humanity that I

955
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: like grew up. It Like that's how I thought for

956
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: a long time the world worked. So there's probably a

957
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: good reason that like we don't know about it.

958
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: Is it like has succeeded. Sorry did I cut you off? No? No,

959
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of just ran rambling on the side

960
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: agreeing because yeah, I mean, like the it's just wild.

961
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: When he's basically saying it's like, yeah, the problem is no,

962
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: just destructive growth, right, that's the thing. That's the only

963
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 3: thing about it. And when you hear people who work

964
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: in work our own co ops or like even people

965
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 3: in like in Mondra going there, like it's clear profit

966
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: is important because you need that to help sustain a business,

967
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: but that is not the fucking be all, end all.

968
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 3: It's it's to ensure the longevity of the of of

969
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: this project and just be able to have it be

970
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: something because like these some of these people are like

971
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: second generation in the co op where they're like, yeah,

972
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 3: my fucking parents started this ship. Yeah, and this is

973
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: us to like to shepherd.

974
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: It as far as the like no growth thing is concerned.

975
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: This started in I think the forties as like a

976
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: four people, four students from like this priest who is

977
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: the founder, like created a community college and then like

978
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: worked with for the people who graduated from there who

979
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: were like really promising students. Like I don't think I

980
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: have all of this correct, but like it started with

981
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: like four people that he was like, I bet you

982
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: guys would make a good company. And now they employ

983
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: around eighty thousand people. Seventy six percent of those work

984
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: in manufacturing co ops and our owners. And it's not

985
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: like I think the only thing that I had really

986
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: heard of as a co op in the US is

987
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: like grocery stores or like little like boutique stores, just

988
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: like mondrag go on, Like what one of the manufacturing

989
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: companies makes bicycles at an industrial scale. Others make elevators,

990
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: produce huge industrial machines using the production of jet engines, rockets,

991
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: when turbines. They have schools, large grocery chain, a catering company,

992
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: fourteen technology R and D centers. They even have a

993
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: McKinsey like consulting firm.

994
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: Hey see right, yeah exactly.

995
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, the network brought in more than

996
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: eleven billion euros in revenue. So I don't know, like

997
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't want this to be like and they've never

998
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: had a problem, but it's it's so directly flies in

999
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: the face of everything I've ever heard about socialism or

1000
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: like well the possibilities of like how an incentive structure

1001
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: can work because of being you know, raised in this country, right,

1002
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: And so the book just like generally creates a model

1003
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: of the present and near future where like things just

1004
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: aren't I think I assumed like the internet had this

1005
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: like pro promise when it first became a thing. And

1006
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: like websites and you know, the freedom of information, and

1007
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: I just assumed that like the fact that it inevitably

1008
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: got fucked up by the forces of capital, like it

1009
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: that it is inevitable. And but like when you take

1010
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: a step back and like think about how things could

1011
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: work under a system where like the economy works to

1012
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: serve people rather than like people working to serve the economy.

1013
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: Like that's the line from the book that is like

1014
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: so basic. I'm embarrassed that I stopped and like wrote

1015
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: it down, but it seems profound that that was.

1016
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:42,479
Speaker 3: Your real eyes realized, Oh what the fuck?

1017
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: Man?

1018
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: Hold on man, Yeah, totally. I know it's so simple.

1019
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 3: But again to when you've been propagandized and evangelized about

1020
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: capitalism from fucking the gamy phase of your life, yea,

1021
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: Like yeah, it does. It does seem like it's just

1022
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: like you can't even imagine the inverse of something. It's like, no, what, Yeah,

1023
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 3: we got to help the economy. It's like, motherfucker that there's.

1024
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: Nothing about social media that inevitably says that the companies

1025
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: who provide that service would sell your information for marketing purposes.

1026
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: And it's kind of weird that like it turned into

1027
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: like a brainwashing, like addictive, competitive, like fucked up thing

1028
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: like it Like, but that's what hyper capitalism does everything,

1029
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: Like the blockchain is a cool technology and theory, and

1030
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: hyper capitalism turned it into a fucking Ponzi scheme and

1031
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: like that's what people think of when they think of

1032
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: the blockchain, whereas like it could be a very valuable

1033
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: tool and probably will be into the future. They actually

1034
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: do talk about the blockchain event in the in Ministry

1035
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: for the future. They use it to just make it

1036
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: so that the hyper wealthy can't hide their money in

1037
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: tax savans, like all all money, Yeah, all money's online,

1038
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: so it can't be hidden anywhere. And the way that

1039
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: that's brought about is that there's like an attack on

1040
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: the Swiss banks where a lot of the hyper wealthy

1041
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: hide their money and it, you know, they lose, they

1042
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: lose track of all the different accounts that they have,

1043
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: and basically they're like, all right, well, we need to

1044
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 1: make it so that this information is just publicly available, yeah,

1045
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: because the old system kind of no longer works. And

1046
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: I guess the importance of the Internet, like point that

1047
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: is that like now everyone knows so much more than

1048
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: they did before, Like the internet gives us access to

1049
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: all this information, all of these tools for accessing the information,

1050
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: and it's still just like a tiny drop, but it

1051
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 1: it's harder to fool people, and it's easier to kind

1052
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: of it's going to be harder to hide the realities

1053
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: of the ship from p people, or at least it

1054
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: should be in theory.

1055
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: Right, right, right, It's I mean, it's interesting because so

1056
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: many of these things, right because I know another element

1057
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 3: because I've I've seen Kim Stanley Roberts speak before too,

1058
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 3: and he also talks out about like regenerative agriculture and

1059
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 3: you know that for something you know, in my mind.

1060
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: It's Kim Stanley Robinson. I've said that before. I think, yeah,

1061
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: what did I just say Stanley Roberts.

1062
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: Oh I did just yeah, Sorry, then I said Kim

1063
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: Stanley Roberts for anyway, like in other talks I've seen

1064
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 3: him give, just like about the book and just like

1065
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: other sort of like climate change, like like what's like,

1066
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: what the fuck are we go about folks kind of talks.

1067
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 3: Is to also see like regenerative agriculture be brought up

1068
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: so much, which again feels like when the ultimate sort

1069
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: of theme, Like if there is any sort of quote

1070
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: unquote solution, it's like to completely like unfuck our heads

1071
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 3: with the idea that growth is good and we need

1072
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: to be seeking profits at all costs. Yeah, and especially

1073
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 3: with regenerative agricultures. Like a really good way to wrap

1074
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: your head around just how we do things in like

1075
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 3: the most backwards way because current like just gigantic mega

1076
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 3: agribusinesses we're all about, especially in America, just monocrops. It's

1077
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 3: like this piece of ground will only grow fucking soybeans

1078
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: or corn or whatever. When that's done, we're gonna fucking

1079
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 3: we're gonna boost the fucking because it's all about yields,

1080
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: what we can get from this. It's all about putting

1081
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: as many fertilizers in and all kinds of chemicals and

1082
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 3: shit to bring about higher yields. And then once we

1083
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: pull that shit out, we just let that patch of

1084
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 3: dirt stay fucking dirt and do let like don't let

1085
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 3: like nature do its thing like allowing like for example,

1086
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: just like the soil erosion is a huge thing that

1087
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 3: I was not really like really understanding its connection to

1088
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 3: our ecosystem and the destructive way that we farm, doesn't

1089
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 3: allow for our soils to actually regenerate the micro organisms

1090
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: that it needs h and also allows for like, you know,

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00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: better water absorption. So they're like versions of it, like

1092
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: no tail farming, Like we're not just fucking ripping shit

1093
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: up and allowing plants to put roots deeper into the ground,

1094
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: which means if they have they can go deeper into

1095
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: the ground photosynthesis, they can take that fucking CO two

1096
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: and put carbon directly into the soil. And another huge

1097
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: part of it I did not realize was that as

1098
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 3: a reservoir to capture carbon, the ground is like something

1099
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 3: like many times larger than the atmosphere in terms of

1100
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: its capacity to absorb carbon. And like when you look

1101
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: at something like that and you're like, holy shit, a

1102
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 3: lot of and I'm again, I'm doing a very like

1103
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: very simplified distillation of regenerative agriculture. But the idea that

1104
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: we need to be actually working in harmony with the

1105
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: earth actually also helps for things like the desertification of

1106
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: our land for drought and you know, carbon capture, and

1107
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:57,479
Speaker 3: now that les.

1108
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: How do we tenx that? How do we scale that?

1109
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: And just okay, this how that real quick forma Yeah, yeah,

1110
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: bank play bank run on that. Yeah, dude, what do

1111
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: you think VC play on that?

1112
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1113
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: There should regenerate out agriculture should be people's new social media,

1114
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: It should be people's new bank.

1115
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing, This is where this is

1116
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 3: where our old ways kind of slip in, right, because

1117
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: now many people are using the term but with interchangeable definitions,

1118
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 3: whether that means it's regenerative in the sense in the

1119
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 3: process that we're doing, or that the outcomes are regenerative,

1120
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 3: and they mean very different things in terms of how

1121
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 3: we're interacting with the earth. So again, like when I

1122
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 3: read stories about that, and some people like the most

1123
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: optimistic forecasts and the white paper that the study that

1124
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: this like forecast was based off of has been debated

1125
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 3: by other scientists, was saying that, like, you know, if

1126
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 3: you actually were able to properly do certain regenerative practices

1127
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 3: on like all of our grasslands and farmlands, and that

1128
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 3: just sort of became the norm, we would capture all

1129
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 3: of the carbon that's emitted right now already and have

1130
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 3: the capacity for more tons of carbon. Now, I think

1131
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 3: a more not getting completely carried away with that version

1132
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 3: of that, at least for me, that is heartening is

1133
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 3: the idea that we we have all of these tools

1134
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 3: that we know work right, and whether that means it's

1135
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 3: gonna one hundred percent or even fucking thirty percent, any

1136
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 3: reduction is a good thing along with all the other

1137
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 3: things we're trying to do as a as a as

1138
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 3: a as a species, but being able to see that

1139
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: those things are available, these are things that we are

1140
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 3: trying to implement. People are definitely trying to implement it.

1141
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 3: There are definitely like large interest groups that are trying

1142
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 3: to do it for many different reasons. But that helps

1143
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 3: me as a human being, move away a little bit

1144
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 3: from the water world idea of where this thing goes

1145
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 3: and to know that like like they're there, we have

1146
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 3: the ways to do this, we just have to fucking

1147
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 3: put it together. Yeah, and that's the fucking hard part, right,

1148
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 3: But I think for me, it's better to have an

1149
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 3: idea of how to like to actually address the situation

1150
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 3: rather than to be completely resigned to the fact that

1151
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 3: it's going to overtake it. Of the way I thought

1152
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 3: about police violence in twenty fourteen is very different than

1153
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 3: how I think about police violence and how to actually

1154
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 3: address it now, now that I've done like more research,

1155
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: more work, more interacting, more conversations with people to know

1156
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 3: that it's not just like, man, it's always going to

1157
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 3: be like this. It's like, well, no, there's things like

1158
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 3: qualified immunity that are holding us back. And in the

1159
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 3: same way, it's really good to be able to also

1160
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 3: arm yourself with these kinds of points of knowledge because

1161
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: it goes a little bit less from like Okay, well,

1162
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 3: I guess I'm gonna wear my football pads with spikes

1163
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 3: in it and face pain I burnt out Honda Prelude

1164
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 3: in the Desert to being like, no, man, like, these

1165
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 3: are a lot of things like we need to be

1166
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 3: thinking about more and are there. But again, that's our

1167
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 3: main battle is to be able to coalesce around these things.

1168
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kim Stanley Robinson like in a in a speech

1169
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: from Kim Stanley rot I think I've been saying Roberts

1170
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: and that might have fucked everyone else up. But it

1171
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: was funny. When I googled his name a few weeks ago,

1172
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: I found a found I found a like what one

1173
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: of the Google hits was a transcript of one of

1174
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: our podcasts where I called him Kim Stanley Roberts.

1175
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 3: I know, every time I actually talk about in my

1176
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 3: mind always say Swiss Family, Robinson, Kim Stanley Robinson.

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Speaker 1: But that's a empirical rap miracle.

1178
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yo, sorry, fever fever cooked my brain.

1179
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: But he he talks about how like in the years

1180
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: since the book, because the book does talk about regenerate agriculture.

1181
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: But he's like, I was a little bit skeptical that

1182
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: it was as big a deal as people were making

1183
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: it seem. He was like, I thought it might be

1184
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of like AI, like this buzz where the people

1185
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: are throwing out I'm like, this is just the solution

1186
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: and we can like knock it out and ten exit

1187
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: and scale it. And he's like, no, it's you know,

1188
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: it's actually a real thing. But again it's it really

1189
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: is like a thing that I've heard him say multiple times.

1190
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: Is that like and he says it a couple of

1191
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: times in the book. Also, is that like profit is

1192
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: inherently predatory and is inherently going to like that that

1193
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: can't be the motive of a world that gets out

1194
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: of this problem.

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01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 3: So, right's if that if that in any way is

1196
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 3: intersecting with what's presented to you as a solution. It

1197
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 3: is not. It's actually the problem and even as much.

1198
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,959
Speaker 3: And we see this so much like in how we're

1199
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: presented products as consumers as a way to do your part,

1200
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 3: et cetera. When you do, you do a lot better.

1201
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: Is like if you fucking can find ways just to

1202
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 3: do things immediately around you. But yeah, it is. That's

1203
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 3: kind of what's interesting or that's that's why it makes

1204
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 3: it so daunting, is that it's like, Okay, so the

1205
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 3: way out of this is the opposite of this eventually. Yeah,

1206
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 3: but I think at a certain point there are too

1207
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 3: many people who are not benefiting from the current order

1208
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 3: of things that I guess our hope is that we

1209
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 3: can we just hit that critical mass where we're all

1210
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 3: realized like it's I think something has to be drastically different.

1211
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take one more quick break. We'll

1212
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 1: be right back, and we're back.

1213
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 3: We're back.

1214
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: And the Doc Brawl I have finally watched it after

1215
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: I said so quite at the beginning of the week,

1216
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: I had seen the fist fight in Major League Baseball,

1217
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: and then the Doc Brawl came up afterwards, and I

1218
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: was like, guys, why do we why are we so

1219
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: obsessed with all these fights, and it sounded like I

1220
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: was like, no big deal, Leaves, You're.

1221
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 3: Like, let's not I don't like.

1222
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah right right, So yeah, I chose the exact

1223
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 11: wrong moment to be like, enough with the fist fights, folks, guys, guys,

1224
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 11: when we just all love each other and be nice.

1225
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: But anyways, I've watched it from all the angles, all

1226
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: the all the key moments. The swimmer, the aquamane.

1227
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 12: School, sim Washington, Yeah, quill Ogile, so so many.

1228
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: The hat throw is just wonderful, the and the folding

1229
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: chair some things. So I went back and watched the

1230
01:05:54,720 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: argument that led to it, and the restraint from the

1231
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: the eventual hat thrower to not start throwing hands at

1232
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: the people as he's having this conversation is not to

1233
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: be overlooked.

1234
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 3: It is.

1235
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: It reminds me of like when a an umpire is

1236
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: talking to like a baseball manager, and the baseball manager

1237
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: is just like wearing in their face and spitting on

1238
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: that and just doing and like the umpire just had

1239
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: like their point is just like very basic, like this

1240
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: boat needs to go right here and right He's just

1241
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: like pointing like this is a message that could be

1242
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: explained in five seconds to a five year old. But

1243
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: because you are drunk white boat people who have been

1244
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: in the sun all day, this is taking an hour.

1245
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: So just I want to shout out his restraint in

1246
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: the in the lead up to them then fully like

1247
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, sucker punching him and gang tackling.

1248
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 3: That's why there's so many levels of Cathars as a

1249
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 3: black viewer too, where there's that restraint where you know

1250
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 3: you can't fully come for this fucking drunk asshole and

1251
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 3: you kind of got to take it and you're like, god, damn,

1252
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 3: I know that fucking patience. Then when the hands get

1253
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 3: to flying, it's the next level that the fucking portals

1254
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 3: open in the Avengers and people are like, we're fucking

1255
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 3: here and we're not gonna watch this shit happen because

1256
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 3: and like it's just so God, there's just so many

1257
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 3: layers to it, Like and we were saying with Nicole

1258
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 3: han or Nicole Hane Jones talking like she's like, you know,

1259
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 3: there's a history in Alabama, obviously, and there's obviously a

1260
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 3: history of racial spectacle, like violent spectacles where people have

1261
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 3: had to watch untold horrors happen to black people. At

1262
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 3: the hands of a white mob and there was just

1263
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 3: really nothing you could do because of the white supremacy

1264
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 3: that exists in our country. And to watch it all

1265
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 3: kind of coalesce into this like three acts Shakespearean like

1266
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: brawl is like, it's really it's really something I don't know,

1267
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 3: uh sekoy, how what you know? I know I see

1268
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 3: that I see the energy coming from you just from

1269
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 3: the mention of it. But yeah, did you where where

1270
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:12,919
Speaker 3: are you at? With the video?

1271
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 12: Now?

1272
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 4: This filled my spirit up so much. I have never

1273
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 4: felt so nourished as I did while watching this particular.

1274
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:22,799
Speaker 1: Piece of content.

1275
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 4: It is so cathartic, Like you said, like we're watching

1276
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 4: the entire story arc, something that was captured from so

1277
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,839
Speaker 4: many different angles. You're like, okay, that's how that started.

1278
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 4: Oh we got here, okay. But my favorite part of

1279
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 4: the video is when we've watched the crew get off

1280
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 4: the boat and the people are skipping up to.

1281
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 9: Is a threat.

1282
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 4: If you've never seen somebody skip to a fight, you

1283
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 4: take it as some light.

1284
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 3: If you know, you know that is a war threat.

1285
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 3: It's a warm up, a warm up moments. Was so

1286
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 3: giddy to be that moment where the boat gets close

1287
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 3: enough for the dock to the dock for them to

1288
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 3: disembark there, it's like almost like at the gate they're like,

1289
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 3: let me yeah, and that's the edge. Yeah. That was

1290
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 3: my my favorite commentary where the people watching like, oh

1291
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 3: here they go like yeah they knew. They're like, oh no,

1292
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 3: it's you fucked up. You fucked up, and you get

1293
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 3: bonus black points if you said or boo every time

1294
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 3: you punch connect bore taking me out.

1295
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 4: My god, it was somethime Washington with the commentary.

1296
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 3: Everything about it was so good.

1297
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 12: I have not seen a video that made me feel

1298
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 12: that good.

1299
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 3: It's so long. Yeah, and you know, I think there's

1300
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 3: something too like that I saw even pointing out on

1301
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 3: the route. Also. That's just like the reason I think

1302
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 3: too that it feels better is that like, luckily no

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Speaker 3: one is pulling firearms out, no one died, because that

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Speaker 3: would have been that would have been a complete different thing,

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Speaker 3: would have been a whole other escalation and something that

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Speaker 3: we kind of brace ourselves as Americans to be like,

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Speaker 3: oh shit, there's a group violence, someone might start busting

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Speaker 3: something from.

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Speaker 9: Something, especially in the South.

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Speaker 4: I'm shocked nobody had a firearm on them.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was, and so based on like new police

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Speaker 3: reports that came out, apparently one of those guys was

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Speaker 3: throwing racial slurs at that doc worker and also said

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Speaker 3: they were going to go get a gun too, according

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Speaker 3: to one of the people that like they witnessed it,

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Speaker 3: another person who was like working with the boat. But

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Speaker 3: part of me, this is just a general warning to people.

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Speaker 3: You have to know when someone is at their like

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01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 3: wage job and you fuck with them, chances are they

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Speaker 3: are there will be some kind of like collective response.

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Speaker 3: Like having a shitty job is like being in the game,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yea, when you got that

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Speaker 3: shitty job, you're like, yo, mother, you are not like

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Speaker 3: you'd be like, look at this motherfucking talking shit to him.

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Speaker 3: Hold the fuck up. You are going to get a

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Speaker 3: level of smoke return to you when you fuck with

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Speaker 3: somebody at their job too. That's the other part. I

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01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 3: was just like, they have done no analysis. They did

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Speaker 3: not do the proper threat analysis with this.

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Speaker 4: They did not have any context to have the proper

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Speaker 4: threat analysis. If you've never seen somebody skip to a fight,

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Speaker 4: you don't know that you're in grave danger when that happens.

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Speaker 4: If you've never like had a wave job. Wait job,

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Speaker 4: I don't know these people. Obviously they might have, but

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Speaker 4: if you've never had that collective action spirit, you don't

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Speaker 4: know that you fucking with this one person.

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Speaker 1: This is a dog whistle.

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Speaker 9: Everybody's on you right now, right.

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Speaker 1: And there are definitely more people who have had shitty

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Speaker 1: jobs than not like that. It's also, you know, people

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01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: pointed out that like the structure of the video is

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01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: people standing by watching and then joining in, and that's

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01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: a big deal because like standing by and watching horrible

1344
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: shit happen is how I think a lot of people

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01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: feel a lot of the time now, and so like

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01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: that there's something cathartic of you know, that it starts

1347
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 1: as one of the things, one of those types of

1348
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: videos that we've seen so many times, and then the

1349
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: thing that doesn't usually happen finally happens where everybody is

1350
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: able to join in and there are more of us

1351
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,480
Speaker 1: than there are of them, and a lot of these circumstances,

1352
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: but it just hasn't felt that way to this point,

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: and I think, I don't know. I think it does

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01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: a good job of driving at home.

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Speaker 4: And I was fully prepared for the cops to not

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01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 4: arrest any of the boaters, the initial voters, and I

1357
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 4: was I was still going to be like, Okay, I'm

1358
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,560
Speaker 4: going to look at these black men that went to

1359
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 4: jail on this behalf as vigilantes and like, you know, right,

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01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 4: But they went ahead and arrested all the right people too.

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01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,520
Speaker 4: You cannot have had a better video.

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01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 3: Even the chair guy. The chair guy, they're like, look,

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01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 3: we don't we don't have charges, but we need to

1364
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 3: talk to you man. We need to have to because

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01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 3: you and you you fucking united. That poor woman with

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01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 3: talking chair.

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01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 4: That's why I started walking through my eyes. I was

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01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 4: when I saw the chair commut I was like, oh,

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01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 4: this might get a little bit more violent than.

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Speaker 3: I'm Luckily it was plastic.

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01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: Nobody was bleeding like it was like, okay.

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01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: One of my favorite moments is when they're arresting the

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: chair guy and then that white woman comes up in

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01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: like the all white dress, and I don't know what

1376
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,600
Speaker 1: she says to the cop, but the cop just like

1377
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: gives her a tiny shove and it's immediately revealed that

1378
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 1: she is way too day drunk to be in the situation,

1379
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: and like does the wobbliest fall on her ass that

1380
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Oh man, that's one of one of

1381
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: the great falls in the video.

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01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 3: Some of the men jumping in the water to avoid

1383
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 3: the fight.

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01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was all good.

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01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 3: That was truly. You know. You can't sometimes your your

1386
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 3: ignorance does boom rang back to you. And I don't

1387
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 3: know what I saw this one. There was like one

1388
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 3: fucking someone made a TikTok parody video of like try

1389
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 3: that in twenty twenty three, Like I'm the fuck year

1390
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 3: you thought it was three? Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no,

1391
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 3: no no, no. People are people. People got their eye

1392
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 3: on the prize and yeah, like I think if there's

1393
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 3: Jackie wrote in here about how people you know, pointed

1394
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 3: out that it is you know, this is this is

1395
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 3: Black August too, where a lot of significant things have

1396
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,919
Speaker 3: happened in black history, including rebellions and Nat Turner rebellion,

1397
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 3: the birth of Marcus Garvey and Fred Hampton, Like this

1398
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 3: is another historical month in black history, and it's kind

1399
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 3: of like not to say that this is in line

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01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 3: with that, but hey, things happened in August.

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01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: The Root did a list there with this as the

1402
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: latest in a timeline that has Yeah, Fred Hampton's birth,

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01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: the marsh on Washington, you know, the wats riots, the

1404
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 1: Ferguson protests beginning, and I kind of loved it.

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01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 3: So yeah, anyway, just y'all, please just listen to people

1406
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 3: who are trying to keep you safe. You know, that's

1407
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 3: that's all this guy was trying to do. And then

1408
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 3: you had to go and get in your ugly racist

1409
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 3: bag and look what happened to you. Look what happened

1410
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 3: to you? Look at you? Yeah. So God, between between

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01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 3: that and the Boston cop video, so so many healings video,

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 3: oh man. And I thought Oppenheimer was the best thing

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01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 3: I saw this fucking week. No, No, top top three

1414
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 3: movie that you saw this week? Top three movie I

1415
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 3: saw this week. In the last week, the doc Brawl,

1416
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 3: then Boston p D Cop slide, then Oppenheimer. Yeah, yeah,

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01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 3: that's good.

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01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,839
Speaker 1: And Oppenheimer deserves Oscar attention.

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01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 3: But so does this. Yes, yes, yes, yes, we need

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01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 3: we need this to be like just captured in like

1421
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 3: Renaissance like painting form, you know what I mean?

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01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 4: Wow, what if Beyonce plays footage of it on her show?

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01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 4: I would be astuley really excited. A different reaisance.

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01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, that yeah, that would be I don't know

1425
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 3: what effect that would have on the crowd, but it

1426
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 3: would have a fucking effect. When would she play that,

1427
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? When could she like what song?

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01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 3: Could she juxtapose that?

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01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: And people like yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:28,839
Speaker 8: I don't know, you're like, oh ship, all right, that's

1431
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 8: gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: For this week's weekly Zeitgeist, please like and review the show.

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Speaker 1: If you like the show, UH means the world the

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Speaker 1: miles he he needs your validation, folks. I hope you're

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Speaker 1: having a great weekend and I will talk to him Monday.

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