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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined by my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz,

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Speaker 1: were coming to you here from our studios at lambeau

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Speaker 1: Field West. Earlier today, we heard from head coach Matt

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Speaker 1: Lafleur his season ending press conference, rather traditional for head

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Speaker 1: coaches in the middle of the week after the season ends,

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Speaker 1: that they kind of addressed the media one final time

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Speaker 1: to wrap things up, and I'm interested in your thoughts

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Speaker 1: as well. My initial two takeaways from this are one

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Speaker 1: that it's really really hard to get over an ending

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Speaker 1: like the Packers had, because even a few days later,

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Speaker 1: you could still hear some of the regret and bitterness

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Speaker 1: and disappointment and everything in Matt Lafleur's voice. So we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit. But also, he's extremely

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Speaker 1: upbeat about the future. I think he used the word

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Speaker 1: excited at least five or six times throughout the course

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Speaker 1: of the half hour press conference. He likes what he's

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Speaker 1: built so far, but he's a coach that knows the

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Speaker 1: process is nowhere near complete. This is still an ongoing evolution,

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Speaker 1: and the reason why it's so difficult one obviously just

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Speaker 1: the result, but two, it's because of as he pointed out,

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Speaker 1: how special that locker room was, how close that locker

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Speaker 1: room was, one of the closest that he's ever coached

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Speaker 1: at any level of football, and that, as Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: talked about after the game, that's what made you feel

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Speaker 1: like this could be a real special season, because you

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Speaker 1: don't always get that. You'll have teams that win Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls that aren't as tight as that locker room was,

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Speaker 1: and you'll have teams I think, as Mercedes Lewis pointed

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Speaker 1: out on Monday too, he played on plenty of teams

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Speaker 1: that weren't quote unquote winning playoff teams, but had a

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Speaker 1: good chemistry. It can be a lick, sir, I feel

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Speaker 1: to to help a team get to that next level,

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Speaker 1: and when it all ends, it is it's just it's

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Speaker 1: such a sudden train stop. You can't prepare for you

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Speaker 1: because you don't think about it. You think about the game,

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Speaker 1: in winning, in what that would mean, and just continuing

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Speaker 1: upon that run. So there is a lot to break

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Speaker 1: down and digest this week, But as you mentioned in

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Speaker 1: the second point of your point, they also feel a

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Speaker 1: genuine excitement and enthusiasm about what is to come based

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Speaker 1: on this first season. They were ahead of schedule in

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Speaker 1: so many ways, whether it was just the implementation of

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Speaker 1: new free agent pieces, or even having a guy like

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Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins make a you know, year one contribution. All

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Speaker 1: of those things kind of add up to being a

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Speaker 1: pretty special, you know year that you don't always get

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Speaker 1: with the first year head coach. But unfortunately the Green

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Speaker 1: Bay Packers fourteen wins will have to do and they

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Speaker 1: set their sights now. Yeah, I think one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I liked best about his remarks that he

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Speaker 1: came he came off very very aware of the fact

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Speaker 1: that there are going to be things that are going

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Speaker 1: to come up in that you can't prepare for. That

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Speaker 1: you're not going to expect that there are going to

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Speaker 1: be new challenges, new difficulties. Everything that the Packers worked

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Speaker 1: through this year, he knows they were blessed with a

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Speaker 1: fair amount of good fortune from a health standpoint, not

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Speaker 1: a lot of major injuries to deal with. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: not easy to win so many close games in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: As we talked about a lot those those usually tend

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Speaker 1: to follow more fifty fifty throughout the course of a season.

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Speaker 1: of close games, So that's going to be something that's

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Speaker 1: that's difficult to repeat. He's already what I sensed is

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Speaker 1: he's already mentally aware that that those things are going

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Speaker 1: it's just so critical. It didn't even really dawn on me,

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Speaker 1: Mike until he brought it up himself, that this will

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Speaker 1: be the first time he goes into year two with

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Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen with with Atlanta, you know. And that's a

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Speaker 1: part of being a climber. It's a part of getting

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Speaker 1: more opportunities. He went to being an offensive coordinator to

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Speaker 1: comes with it understanding Okay, you need to implement your offense.

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Speaker 1: You need to be the offensive you know, guru in

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Speaker 1: And it's funny, you said finally though, because it happened

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but you know, at thirty four years old,

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Speaker 1: this is something that he was thinking about when he

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Speaker 1: it's just it that is always in you, I believe,

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Speaker 1: and this was his first chance to really be able

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Speaker 1: to understand, Okay, it's not just a position. It's not

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Speaker 1: teams meetings, it's being in defensive meetings, setting the agenda

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Speaker 1: those experiences like you can't just go into an interview

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Speaker 1: this is how I'm going to approach everything. A lot

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Speaker 1: of it is Okay, when you get those curveballs thrown

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what Matt Lafleur. Probably the

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Speaker 1: biggest adjustment now that he gets to make now going

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Speaker 1: He even pointed out leaning on his staff because he's

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Speaker 1: not always going to have all the answers. It's an

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Speaker 1: exciting thing for him to be a coach that won

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Speaker 1: thirteen games, got to a playoff one, a division title,

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Speaker 1: was in an NFC Championship game. But now it's about

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Speaker 1: that next step and everything that he has to do

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Speaker 1: to ensure that they do take that step forward in Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: he had some interesting thoughts both regarding the offense and

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Speaker 1: the defense. I want to get to those in a minute.

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Speaker 1: the majority of at least in terms of the evaluation

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Speaker 1: have a segment of the offense that's there for them

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Speaker 1: to be able to go up tempo, to play faster

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Speaker 1: It sounds like that's something he really wants to work on.

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Speaker 1: wouldn't go and say that, you know, Kyle Shanahan, what

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Speaker 1: they were doing was really quote unquote up tempo in

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Speaker 1: most cases. But it was just how they broke the huddle,

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Speaker 1: just honing all that in. Kyle Shanahan's in his third

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Speaker 1: But not every not every coach has that. Not every

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