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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode today spoilish for season three, episode six

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Speaker 1: of the Foundation television program.

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Speaker 2: We Want.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason, Getupcio, and I'm Rody Night and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast where we'd

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Speaker 1: have deep your favorite shows, movies, collect and pop culture

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Speaker 1: week every Tuesday Thursday, plus covering the summer's because movies

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Speaker 1: on Friday and news on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: News.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we are once again joined by the

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Speaker 3: spice Master, the sci Fi psion.

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Speaker 4: It's a Boo.

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Speaker 3: He's here, super producer at Boo and we are talking

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Speaker 3: about the sixth episode of Foundation season three.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe this has ended up.

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Speaker 3: Being one of the shows I'm most excited to talk

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Speaker 3: about you guys with this year.

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Speaker 1: Season three is really fun.

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Speaker 4: Is a really great episode of TV Apple.

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Speaker 3: It's really coming through this year, I think with some

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Speaker 3: of the biggest, biggest, most quality TV hits.

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Speaker 1: I think they've also and we'll talk about it more

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Speaker 1: as we dive into the recap. So why don't we

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Speaker 1: just do that?

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Speaker 4: Let's do it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Foundation Season three episode six, The Shape of Time?

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Speaker 1: What I was gonna say up top was that I

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Speaker 1: think they've they've really established it over the course of

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Speaker 1: season two. But there's like a specific kind of like heady,

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Speaker 1: glam sci fi tones this series that I think is

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Speaker 1: kind of like not like anything else. I think people

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Speaker 1: would kind of fairly make a Game of Thrones in

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Speaker 1: space kind of sci fi comparison over the course of

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Speaker 1: season one. I think season two definitely separate itself, and

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Speaker 1: season three is something unlike what we've seen on TV.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, of folks, But what do you think?

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Speaker 5: I actually couldn't agree more. This show is not afraid

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Speaker 5: to be really sci fi. It's not afraid to like

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Speaker 5: turning people off by leaning into I think, what is

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Speaker 5: the best of sci fi out there? I mean, Demsela

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Speaker 5: in this episode says some yes, you know garbled like

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Speaker 5: have you tried looking past the quantum deconstruction horizon? Should

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Speaker 5: I be googling this term? Is this a real thing?

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Speaker 5: So I think like that to me, that one line

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Speaker 5: was an example of like how this show is sci

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Speaker 5: fi in the way that I frankly I can't remember

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Speaker 5: the last show that was this sci fi on TV

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Speaker 5: that I watched in recent members.

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Speaker 1: Also classically, there's like a classical philosophical question at the court, yes,

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Speaker 1: which is like agency, who is making the decisions? Are

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Speaker 1: we making the decisions? Is the quote unquote math making

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Speaker 1: the decisions? Are we all pets of a robot? Like

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Speaker 1: it's very.

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Speaker 3: It's very much like leaning into I think something that's

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Speaker 3: really incredible about it is it is leaning into conversations

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Speaker 3: we are having as people who exist and like, you know,

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Speaker 3: is life a simulation like where will AI take us?

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Speaker 4: Where will technology take us?

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Speaker 3: But it kind of manages to do it in this

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Speaker 3: way where it's both aware of the conversations that have happened,

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Speaker 3: but also aware of the fact that it's it's based

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Speaker 3: on one of the first kind of pieces to explore

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Speaker 3: those questions. So it gets to kind of be a

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Speaker 3: material is. I also see, Yeah, I just think it's

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Speaker 3: this murder bought severance, Like Apple TV is making sci

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Speaker 3: fi that we haven't really seen before in this really

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Speaker 3: broad Neuromancer, which.

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Speaker 1: Also forget has been one of the great sci fi

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Speaker 1: TV shows currently and certainly in recent memory, Like it's

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Speaker 1: oh no, question had a great run.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I mean as a sci fi fan, I

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Speaker 5: of Apple TV, and I haven't canceled yet because as

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Speaker 3: Well, it feels right, It feels right to have. It's

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Speaker 3: like if a tech company is going to be making TV,

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Speaker 3: it feels right for it to be like really great

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's dive into it. The Mule wakes up

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Speaker 1: from a bad dream. He's screaming. He tells his companion,

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Speaker 1: He's been wondering who she is, and now after Kalgan

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Speaker 1: Prichard's mind, he knows who that person is. She's Gail Dornick,

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Speaker 1: and he knows now that he must find her and

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Speaker 1: Gail's ship. Demarzel lets Gail know that she knows that

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Speaker 1: and she's uncharacteristically, We've never seen this side of Demarzel.

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Speaker 1: She is furious. She's really angry that somebody has been

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Speaker 1: Gail tries to shoot Demosel that will work because Demozell's

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Speaker 1: And it basically says on top of that, like, okay,

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Speaker 1: Are I'm gonna kill you. We go to the Chaser

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Speaker 1: Torren Mallow and Beta's ship. Magnifico is on the ship

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Speaker 1: immediately taken to the dungeons where Pritch is down there,

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Speaker 4: The hot That man is not drunken. He is not drunk.

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Speaker 1: Uncle Randu immediately attacks Pritchard because, of course Pritchard has

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the mule.

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Speaker 1: I'm about the music. I love playing the music the mule.

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Speaker 1: keep playing the music.

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Speaker 4: I'll take down the Mule.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'll tell you anything you want to

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Speaker 4: I really feel especially too good. He's too good, and

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Speaker 3: The idea of the Mule feeling like he has been

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Speaker 4: Maybe he loves so funny.

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Speaker 1: We go to Micagen deep deep deep under the surface

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Speaker 4: Like I love that visual language.

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Speaker 4: And also as well, I do think, Like, I just

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Speaker 4: And he is such a fun performer.

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Speaker 3: He takes so many interesting roles like being in bodies

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Speaker 4: like this, Yeah.

434
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: And it's I think it's like it's yeah, like you said,

435
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: I think that is a very manipulative and it doesn't

436
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: ask her to get the memories back because she loves him.

437
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 4: It's like, hey, here's.

438
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: This information I have that will you know, influence you

439
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 3: and actually doesn't have anything to do with us.

440
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't of love he did, Like, he didn't

441
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 5: bring roses and beg for her love back or anything.

442
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 5: He went.

443
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: It's still a it's still to him a a purely

444
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: marketplace situation. Here is the thing I have, and I'm

445
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: going to pay you this information. That's a great way

446
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: to lichen so that you will continue to be with me.

447
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: And it's just completely fucked and Day is unable to

448
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: see how this could not be the most romantic. He's

449
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: like so deep in it that you know, I I

450
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: weirdly have empathy for him in this moment because he

451
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: can't understand, actually has no ability to understand how fucked up.

452
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: We go back to Gail and Demarzel, and Demozel is

453
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: able to experience one of these mule visions, and it's

454
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: the one that a version of the one that we see,

455
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: which is the mule choking Gail and screaming about Second Foundation,

456
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: asking where it is. They come out of it, and

457
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: Demarzelle realizes she's able to pick out information and remember

458
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: what she's seen in a way that that Gail can't,

459
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: and so she's like, that is Trantur. That's actually the

460
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: Imperial Library, which is fascinating considering that we've seen the

461
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: Imperial Library this season. And Demarsel's like, this is where

462
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: she drops the line of but where she's like, have

463
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: you managed to go past the darkness or whatever.

464
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 4: They said? You better be you better be ready to

465
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 4: be a science thing?

466
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: Yes, gls. Gale's like I've tried, but I can't really

467
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: do it, and Demozelle's like, well, I'm going to. Let's

468
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: do it again, and I want to go there. So

469
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: they do it again, and when they come back the

470
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: darkness after seeing these kind of snippets of you know,

471
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: Demarzelle kind of like highlighted by a glow in a

472
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: vast darkness and you see maybe like a shape and

473
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: some other flashes of things, but nothing really concrete and

474
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: they come out of the vision and the power in

475
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: the ship needs to be rebooted. Demarzelle has been completely

476
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: like knocked out and is lost some period of time.

477
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: She comes awake and has to shock Gale back to life,

478
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: and Demarzel tells Gail, Okay, whatever happened in the vision

479
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: caused me to emp basically taking out all the power

480
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: in the ship and nearly killing you. But I found

481
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: something and that is the following in the According to

482
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: the vision, in four months you Gaale will be in

483
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: like on the outer edges of a black hole. You'll

484
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: be very close to a black hole. And of course we.

485
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: Know that somebody has Dusk currently.

486
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: Working sure bur so clearly, clearly all these things coming together.

487
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: We go to back to back to New Terminus. Mayor

488
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Enburg comes to see Pitch and Jail. He's basically lording

489
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: it over a Pritch. He's like, listen, I know that

490
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: you have been sneaking around the galaxy doing missions that

491
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: are off the books. So what have you been doing

492
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: and who have you been working for? And by the way,

493
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: think about answering my question, because I'm gonna go see

494
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: Harry and you can't down in Micagin day, still trying

495
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: to convince Song. Song has with her little communicator, has

496
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: called for help, and a woman shows up shoots various

497
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: stun beams at day, knocking him all around the room,

498
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: and she's like, listen, Song, It's like, listen, it's impossible

499
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: that I could have loved you if I ever you.

500
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: I loved you in the pleasure gardens. I lied because

501
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: I was afraid of you, which honestly, of course, And this,

502
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: and may I introduce you to my lifemate Ocean Glass

503
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: forty now.

504
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: All right? Gamer tag ass nieves. Don't It's like how

505
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 4: many Ocean Glosses were that before? You couldn't pick a

506
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: different name?

507
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: Like, please meet my brother Heavy Naturals.

508
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, my father, like Cherry Baum sixty nine guys.

509
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: Back with the foundation, everyone but Bridges at the vault,

510
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: doesn't I Bridges, I welcome. Harry welcomes them inside the vault.

511
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: Mayor in Burr immediately tries to take control of the

512
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: meeting and to brag to Harry about like how great

513
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: everything's going, and Harry's like, yeah whatever. Harry meets randw

514
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: Mallow of the Traders. Harry says, listen, I know about

515
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: the Cold War between Foundation and the Traders, and that's

516
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: part of psychohistory is predicted that. But guess what psychistry

517
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: also says after this, the tensions between Traders and Foundation.

518
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: Guess what a union? A great union of worlds and

519
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: peace throughout the galaxy. But then torn Mallow is like, Okay,

520
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: but the Mule? What's going on with the Mule? Like

521
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: we were having issues with him? And Harry's like, which

522
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: is I think gotta be the scariest moment in everybody?

523
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying, Like, can you even if

524
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: you're just a normal person, Like, can you even trust

525
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: Harry and the math.

526
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 4: That this this is the moment where you're.

527
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: The rails, where you're just like he is this, Like

528
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: this is what we've been following a boot.

529
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: Is this another hairy scheme? Or does he legitimately not

530
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: know what the fuck is happening out here?

531
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 5: I think everything that we've been led to believe so

532
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 5: far in the show points toward hologram Harry being totally

533
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 5: unaware of the meeting. And I think this is a

534
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 5: genuine record scratch moment that throws everything the Foundation is

535
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 5: built on and everything the Foundation believes into disarray, you know,

536
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 5: like I think this is supposed to be a moment

537
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 5: where everyone's heart is supposed to drop into their stomach.

538
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: The Mule thens facetimes it to the meeting because my

539
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: favorite Paw is like.

540
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, just zooming into the vault, guys of me.

541
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: So the black Tongue is there above New Terminus. The

542
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: Mule is using his powers to cause the Foundation Space

543
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: Defenses to attack itself. We're watching Foundation tear itself apart

544
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: before our eyes. Harry just.

545
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: I was like, this is the joy of the hologram.

546
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: You just leave. Yeah. The vault begins preparations to close

547
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: up again, and so everybody is, you know, feeling the

548
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: effects of like the vaults shielding and the kind of

549
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: force field that holds everything in the vault inside. So

550
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: they start running for the doors. Meanwhile, Demarzel is getting

551
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: ready to take her leave of Gail. She's like, listen,

552
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to think about a further alliance with you.

553
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: I need to see how things happen out here in space.

554
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: A lot of things going on. But as she's leaving,

555
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: she senses like communications zooming across the galaxy. Something has happened,

556
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: and she realizes the Mule has attacked new terminus. This

557
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: is terrifying because with the Foundation's Whisper Fleet at his control,

558
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: the mule can then make the vision true and move

559
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: on Trantor. Gail is shocked at this, tries to call Prichard,

560
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: her boyfriend, her secret boyfriend. She gets nothing. Del Marzelle flees,

561
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: probably to head immediately back to Trantor to raise defenses. Meanwhile,

562
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: everybody has fled the vault. They're watching the Foundation's defenses

563
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: tear itself apart. There's bombing happening in the fields outside

564
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: the vault. Mayor Inburr flees, leaving Torn and Beta.

565
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: And Randy to themselves.

566
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: And that is how we close. Shocking stuff. I just

567
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: an incredible so much to think about. And here's the

568
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: main thing I want to think about. We talked about

569
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: this previous episode. Here's the here's just like the evidence

570
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: that I see, the data that I see a boot Rosie,

571
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: and I love your thoughts. Gail appears on the scene.

572
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: She was not supposed to be in the math, but

573
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: she's here and she stays because of Gail's various machinations,

574
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: plots within plots, her her alliance with Dawn, and her

575
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, engineered destruction of Kalgan and defanging a vampire.

576
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: The Dark Ages have gone from happening in thirty thousand

577
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: years to happening now today, like next week, And so

578
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: I asked the question again, is Gail the bad guy?

579
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: I just feel like everything she has done has made

580
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: the bad times happen sooner rather than later, and it

581
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: and the original plan was supposed to be shortened Dark Ages.

582
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: Now it's like, are they shorter because they're happening sooner?

583
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

584
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: No one can tell me how how long they're gonna last.

585
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: It just seems like she has caused a lot of

586
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: these terrible things to happen.

587
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if Gail turned around and was like, look, guys,

588
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: look like a hundred years of Dark Ages. We can

589
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: just be like snoozing through it. If you can do that,

590
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: and then we'll be fine, you know something like that.

591
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 3: Like it does feel like there is another scheme at play. Also,

592
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: you know, Jason, we talk about this lot a lot,

593
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: like we love a show or a game where we

594
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: kind of don't know if the person we're following is

595
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: really the good guy. I don't know enough about about

596
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: Gail to say that, but I do think that you

597
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: are on something interesting. I want to ask you, a

598
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: b what do you think about that?

599
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 5: I I am not as out on Gail as Jason

600
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 5: appears to be. I still think that Gail's support I

601
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 5: support her is a strong word. She didn't kill billions

602
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 5: of people in the previous episode.

603
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm trusting her, but.

604
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: I trust her.

605
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 5: I trust her still. I still trust the Math. I'm

606
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 5: still committed to the Selden Plan to some extent, even

607
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 5: though clearly we've like diverged and like where we are

608
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: well off the tracks at this point. I don't know

609
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 5: that Gail is the only one to blame though. I

610
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 5: don't know that Gail is the thing that threw the

611
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 5: Math off entirely. But I do think now that we're

612
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 5: about we're six episodes of ten into this season, I'm

613
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 5: becoming less and less sure that Gail Dornick survives this season.

614
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 5: Certainly it seems like a black hole will be what

615
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 5: may or may not be involved by the tenth episode.

616
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 5: And you know, part of that lesson might be what

617
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 5: Jason You're getting at is like Gail realizing that, Oh,

618
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 5: to fix the Math, I need to take myself out

619
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 5: of the math. I need to get out of the

620
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 5: equation to let the equation reorient itself back onto the tracks.

621
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: I want to be clear that I don't think Gail

622
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: is quote unquote truly the bad guy, like truly a villain.

623
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: But I do think that her her appearance set other

624
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: things in motion, including perhaps like the existence of the mule,

625
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: in ways that we don't truly understand. And I think

626
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: the reveals of this episode lead me to believe, or

627
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: lead me to suspect that psychohistory. First of all, psychohistory

628
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: is manifestly, in large part, the plan of a robot.

629
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: Just say that's fact. That's a fact, okay, And so

630
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: then you have to ask yourself, as de Marsella has

631
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: been asking herself throughout this season, what does the robot want?

632
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: And what are the robots motivations? I begin to wonder

633
00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: if this entire thing isn't the extremely convoluted a plan

634
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: of a robot in order to be free again.

635
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do wonder.

636
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: I feel like the I feel like the fact that

637
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: Psychiastry is a plan of a robot, and we talk

638
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: constantly about robots like this, the anymore robots being worked

639
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: out this religion that it feels like there is something

640
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: about the robot nature of it that is going to

641
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: become very important.

642
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 4: I also want to ask you, guys.

643
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: This might be a silly question, but I felt like,

644
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 3: after this the plan goes wrong, Harry doesn't know the meal.

645
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 4: My first thought is like, is.

646
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: Like Harry just gonna try and start like a third

647
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: foundation or whatever, Like does he is?

648
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Speaker 4: He just gonna start like he's He's gonna be like shit,

649
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: this this sucks, Like this went wrong. Maybe it's time

650
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 4: to start a new plan. Fuck you, guys, I mean

651
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 4: body body.

652
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: Harry is currently off the reservation hanging out with beings

653
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: of pure energy who have taken on the image of

654
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: his old friends, and we have no idea what they're

655
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: He's like on a trick. Yeah, so I don't know.

656
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, But I ABU what do you think

657
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: about the You know what, what does Demorzel want? She

658
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: doesn't even know. She's confused herself as to what her

659
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: true motivations are at this moment.

660
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

661
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 5: I really like your theory. I love the idea of

662
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 5: this entire all three seasons of the show so far,

663
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 5: all the events that have taken place, all of psychohistory,

664
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 5: all of the math being in service of Demozel trying

665
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 5: to break her bonds. There was that therapy session earlier

666
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 5: in the in the season where Demozel talks about how

667
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 5: the original robots, in order to overcome their three laws

668
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 5: of robotics, sort of like conceived of the idea of

669
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Speaker 5: the greater good in order to serve the greater good,

670
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Speaker 5: I'm allowed to break these three laws. Is Demozel creating

671
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 5: the galactic conditions and the galactic chaos in order for

672
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 5: her to be able to serve the greater good by

673
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 5: breaking free of her bonds? You know?

674
00:40:59,280 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: Is that?

675
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 5: Which is she's fomenting all of this chaos.

676
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: It's a great question, and I would I would. I

677
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: would underline it by saying, perhaps, but not only that,

678
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: perhaps she's creating the actual material conditions visa visa the

679
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: destruction of Empire that would cause her to have no

680
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: further ties to Empire and to be able to act

681
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: as purely her own being.

682
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: I don't know.

683
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like I think that she's the

684
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: only one but really benefiting from this, even though obviously

685
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: she is extremely troubled and dismayed by the ongoing dissolution

686
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: of empire in the fact that her children slash families

687
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: slash lovers slash brothers cleons are being cast across the

688
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: galaxy and destroyed and dying and going willy nilly against

689
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: her will.

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Speaker 3: I think there's something really interesting and timely about that

691
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: on it of just this kind of notion of like

692
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: what is a robot? What is a sentient being? Like

693
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: who is really controlling things? In a world where you know,

694
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: people's lives are constantly shaped by algorithms and stuff. I

695
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: think that that could be a really interesting route to

696
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: ask some questions that maybe we haven't gotten to ask

697
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: yet about what that.

698
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Speaker 4: Looks like in the future. And that's what science fiction

699
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 4: is meant to do.

700
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: And I I do think that this is going to

701
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 3: be the kind of show where people are looking back

702
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 3: on it going like, well, how did this get.

703
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 4: Made back then?

704
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: Like what were they thinking? Like this kind of high

705
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: fantasy space show. And yeah, I just I'm really interested

706
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 3: to see where it lands, because it does feel like

707
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 3: it's going to end up being, you know, something that

708
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 3: feels at least a little prophetic to to where we

709
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 3: are right now.

710
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: I think I think it's going to be at the.

711
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 3: End Demarzille just by herself, living it up with her

712
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: little crown.

713
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, like chilling.

714
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 5: I did also switching gears for just a minute. I

715
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 5: meant to bring this up last episode, but I forgot.

716
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 5: I want to shine some light on the B team,

717
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 5: Like we have our Demoselves and our Harry's and our

718
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 5: you know, all of the important folks in the cast

719
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 5: who are doing big galaxy shattering things. But I have

720
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 5: truly come to adore every scene with Beta and Torrent

721
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 5: in it.

722
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, they're so fun.

723
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 5: And I was ready to kind of write them off

724
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 5: in the first episode and I was like, oh, they're

725
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 5: playing them off as some sort of influencers who get

726
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 5: wrapped up in this and maybe they won't play a

727
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 5: major role. And we have continued to see Beta play

728
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 5: a major role in all of this major and really

729
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 5: step up in a way that feels just really they're

730
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 5: both just really genuine, right, Like their love for each

731
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 5: other is not for the cameras. They It's clear they

732
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 5: love each other. They aren't like sort of inherently disingenuous,

733
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 5: which is how they were perhaps portrayed or how I

734
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 5: read them in the first couple episodes. They care about Magnifico.

735
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 5: They want to do what they can to help, and

736
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 5: they're willing to go above and beyond to do it.

737
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Speaker 5: And so I don't know, I'm finding myself really endeared

738
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 5: by these two characters and I love one well me too.

739
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Speaker 1: I think that there is an aspect to them that

740
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: is that is they're the most human characters on the

741
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: show in that everybody else is thinking in kind of

742
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: geopolitical language or.

743
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: Or like three hundred years ahead or whatever.

744
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, this like massive, massive moves that cast the

745
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: deaths of like billions of people is just like a

746
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: rounding error and like the vast accounting of the galaxy.

747
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: And these are the people who are like alive. And

748
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: to your point, Beta is able to make these connections

749
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: and make things happen by just like acknowledging people's lives

750
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: as their own. Like her, She's managed to foster connec

751
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: with Magnifico by basically being you're a person, like you're alive,

752
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: you have your own agency and I and I love that.

753
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: I love that about you. It's amazing to.

754
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Speaker 3: Be connected to this greater power, this this this potential.

755
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 4: It's really important.

756
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: I think that's really important.

757
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Speaker 4: I do wonder as well.

758
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: You make a good point, because I do feel like

759
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: that's something this season has like leaned into, and I

760
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: do wonder if with the conversation with Song and stuff,

761
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: we are going to start to get a little bit

762
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: more of that like ground level, like who are the

763
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: people who have to live underneath these people?

764
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 4: And what does it look like like.

765
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Speaker 3: I think that's a really interesting human twist, especially as

766
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: we get more into the idea of like destruction and

767
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 3: robots and who's in charge. I think that those kind

768
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: of things are a really good way of grounding it

769
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: and making it more relatables. I'm interested to see and

770
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: I still after this episode, I'm still I still.

771
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 4: Think that Magnifico could be the Mule. I think that

772
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: I think that's I think I.

773
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: Think we should we try, like, let's let's first of all,

774
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: who won this episode, because for me, I think it

775
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: might have been Magnifico, who continues to be such a

776
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: ray of like positivity and light that I look at

777
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: him and I wonder, what are you hiding? Like, what's

778
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: what's your what's your thing about?

779
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: Also, the reason Harry doesn't know the Mule is because

780
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 3: he knows Magnifico, you know, like like the name or

781
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: something like the mule Magnifico duality of him not knowing.

782
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 4: I just thought that was an interesting wrinkle.

783
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean there's also that there's also the subtextual wrinkle

784
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: that like music is actually math, like of course it

785
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: is math. It's just math, you know, improvised kind of

786
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: math that is pleasing to the ear. Rosie who won

787
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: this episode for you?

788
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 4: Who won the episode?

789
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: Well, I would say, honestly like Hologram Harry, because that

790
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: motherfucker just peeced out, Like this should have been the

791
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 3: end of him, Like he should have been back. They

792
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: should have never as soon as he said the mule,

793
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: who's the mule? I would have been like done, like

794
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: that's it. But no, he just he managed to get out.

795
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 4: So and he's closing.

796
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think what Evan's going on there

797
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 3: is is probably the secret this he's the secret winner

798
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: that he didn't just get like turned off.

799
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: About who won this episode for you?

800
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna cheat and pick the couple Torn

801
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 5: and Beta. Torn gave a gave a rousing speech to

802
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 5: get everyone in line when they were just petty disagreements,

803
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 5: and Beta told Pritch that he fucked up, and I

804
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 5: love that she called him out on it.

805
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: I gosh, I'm gonna go with Magnifico because he played

806
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: one of the most important gigs of his entire life

807
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: and everybody, and in a room full of people who were,

808
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, very predisposed to be like who is this

809
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: clown and they all came away being like, Okay, I

810
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: can see how that music is really important to the Mule.

811
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well do you think that's what I mean?

812
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: It is like, do you think that that The fact

813
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: that Magnifico is there and convinced them all of that,

814
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 3: and then the fact that the Meal manages to attack, Like,

815
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: those two things seem like they could definitely be connected.

816
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: I am wondering more and more how they are connected

817
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: and if they are connected, And it just feels like, again,

818
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: everything we've seen, including in this episode, about every character

819
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: on this show is just when you think you know

820
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: what they are, there's a different There's a there's another

821
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: level to them that is often much more strategic and

822
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: planned than the one that you think you know. And

823
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: so I I do wonder, I wonder about it. I

824
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what happens.

825
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 4: I'm excited. I can't four episodes left.

826
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: I think this could come out as being one of

827
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 3: the best seasons of TV this year.

828
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: I will say. I was being like, Okay, we're in

829
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: episode six of this season and it's already this meaty.

830
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 4: Like that's what I'm saying, and the crazy and like

831
00:48:59,440 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 4: what else?

832
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: Also, I just want to shout out something I think

833
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: when we were talking about Magnifico is like, often in

834
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: sci fi there's this very specific view of what's important

835
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 3: and a lot of times it's kind of science and

836
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: that's it. Like there's not very many people, you know,

837
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: in Star Wars in the main canon who are like

838
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: spending their time doing art. You know, though obviously in

839
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: the Expanding Universe you do have stuff like that, like

840
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 3: Sabaja Press and his you know, gallery of people in

841
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 3: carbonite and stuff. But generally, like I feel like we

842
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: don't get to see a science fiction world, a futuristic

843
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: world where there is music and where there's all these

844
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 3: different aspects of society and I do. I just think

845
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: that this is a really interesting and fearless show.

846
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 4: In that way.

847
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 3: And when you do see music, it's more classical it's

848
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 3: silly like jizz music or whatever. Magnifico is like literally

849
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: a DJ, and that seems like it shouldn't work, but

850
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: it's like, it's such an interesting, great part of this season.

851
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 4: I just I think they're doing stuff here that nobody

852
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 4: else is doing.

853
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: Well.

854
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Speaker 1: In the next episode of Extra Vision, were contineering our coverage.

855
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 4: Of Alien Earth Scary.

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00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Actual x Ray Vision is

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Speaker 1: hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and is a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuza part.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan, and Fay Wag.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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Speaker 3: Heidi our discord moderator.