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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The death of Friends at

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Speaker 1: Superstar Matthew Perry has reverberations that continue up until even now.

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Speaker 1: The world stunned when Matthew Perry found dead at his

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Speaker 1: own home. Why an od of ketamine? In the last

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Speaker 1: Days A stunning guilty plea, I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: That's right. In the Last Days, A formerly renowned doctor

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Speaker 1: pleads guilty. A doctor who was the primary target in

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Speaker 1: the investigation of the od of Matthew Perry pleads guilty

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Speaker 1: to supplying Perry with ketamine despite knowing the Friends star

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Speaker 1: was a struggling addict. Doctor Salvador Placinsia, the fourth of

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Speaker 1: five people charged in Perry's death, pleads guilty. He and another,

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Speaker 1: a woman who prosecutors say was a major kedemy dealer,

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Speaker 1: face the most serious charges. After Perry discovered dead in

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Speaker 1: the hot tub of his la home, Placentsia stands next

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Speaker 1: to his lawyer in court and says guilty four times

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Speaker 1: for four different counts in front of Judge Sheryl in

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Speaker 1: P's garnet in federal court. Placentia forty three was set

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Speaker 1: to go to trial until the doctor just agreed to

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Speaker 1: plead guilty. Now this is according to a signed document

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Speaker 1: we got our mits on that was filed in federal

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Speaker 1: court in LA. While these charges can carry up to

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Speaker 1: forty years behind bars, trust me, he's going to be

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Speaker 1: sentenced to a lot less. How did the whole thing

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Speaker 1: unfold the same way I like to start every jury trial.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with the nine to one one call.

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Speaker 2: Listen twenty three heine on radio.

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Speaker 3: That's one of the drowning cross between three.

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Speaker 1: You can't tell a lot, but I learned something significant.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear that one more time.

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Speaker 3: Sid betweent three on radio. That's one of the drowning

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Speaker 1: Now, some of those numbers are universal. Sometimes you hear

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Speaker 1: So at the beginning, it was believed that the friends

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Speaker 1: But what do we really know? Take a listen to

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Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year

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Speaker 4: old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.

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Speaker 4: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and

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Speaker 4: the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid

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Speaker 4: use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident.

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Speaker 1: Okay, see, I'm a trial lawyer, and that is why

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Speaker 1: What acute effects of ketamine. Other contributing factors were, drowning,

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Speaker 1: opioid disorder, manner of death, accident. There's so much there.

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Speaker 1: I could do a whole flow chart on that to

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Speaker 1: try to explain all that to a jury. Luckily we

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Speaker 1: to a special guest joining us, Miguel Melndez, joining us,

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Speaker 1: senior writer for E. T. Entertainment tonight, Miguel, what a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on. Man. This scent shock waves

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Speaker 1: going to follow this up with our shrink Karen Stark.

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Speaker 1: We think we know Matthew Perry. Why because we've seen

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Speaker 1: him on the big screen, we've seen him on the

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Speaker 1: little screen. We follow up in the tabloids. We think

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Speaker 1: we know him and about his life. We've been following

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Speaker 1: his struggle with addiction, and a lot of people can

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Speaker 1: identify with that. If you haven't had that struggle in somebody,

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Speaker 1: you know, somebody close to you has had that struggle.

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Speaker 1: So Matthew Perry was kind of like every man that

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Speaker 1: was struggling with a lot. But to you, Miguel Melendez,

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Speaker 1: I want to go before I get into Matthew Perry

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about what happened, what surrounded the

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Speaker 1: discovery of Matthew Perry dead in a hot tub leading

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Speaker 2: Right, So what we know the timeline is that at

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Speaker 2: Run errand at one thirty seven pm, the living assistant

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, Miguel, You're giving me so much information

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Speaker 1: so quickly. I'm drinking from the fire hydrate, because Miguel,

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Speaker 1: you know I like to dissect every single sentence, and

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Speaker 1: what I'm learning. Could you say it again, very slowly? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Did you say the living assistant found him?

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Speaker 1: Okay. Why did Matthew Perry have a live and assistant?

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Speaker 2: That I can answer you, Nancy, I don't know the

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Speaker 1: Of what led to that.

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Speaker 2: I do know that the living assistant, based on this report,

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Speaker 1: That's important. Miguel Melendez, hold on, Miguel, hold the thought.

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Speaker 1: Guys with me. He's a senior writer for entertainment tonight.

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Speaker 1: You all know him. Miguel Melndez giving us everything we

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Speaker 1: need to know to analyze this drug ketamine that claimed

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Speaker 1: Renown TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com. Karen

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Speaker 1: with a C if you're trying to find her, Karen, So,

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Speaker 1: is it like a minder you have with AA that.

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Speaker 1: it something else, someone that checks in on you. It's

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Speaker 1: He had somebody to help him.

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Speaker 6: It's called a sponsor, and his assistant. She was his sponsor.

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Speaker 6: She was his minder, as you said, Nancy, So she

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Speaker 1: Really did, and he made no secret about it. What

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Speaker 1: first again, Miguel, could you tell me the assistant comes in.

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Speaker 2: So at four pm, the living assistant walks in from

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Speaker 5: Of the pool, and called nine one one.

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Speaker 2: Paramedics soon arrived, pulled Matthew out of the pool onto

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Speaker 1: You know, I think I had at bass akwors Migham Melendez.

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Speaker 1: I was saying hot tub because I've read jacuzie. But

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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes perfect sense. Okay, guys, what led up

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Speaker 4: Matthew Perry went to his country club to play a

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Speaker 4: game of pickleball with friends around eleven am. Perry returned

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Smuson is so horrible. On the stepfather

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Speaker 1: to have to do that after the struggle he Matthew

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Speaker 1: Mike McCormick, thank you for being with us. I'm very

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Speaker 7: Federal prosecutors allege that Perry first obtains ketamine from an

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Speaker 7: unscrupulous doctor, aiming to take advantage of the actor's addiction issues.

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Speaker 7: Doctor Salvador Placentia teaches Perry's living assistant, Kenneth Ewa Masa,

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Speaker 7: how to administer the drug and provides ketamine to both

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Speaker 7: Perry and Ewa Masa at exorbitant prices. When the drugs

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Speaker 7: including Jasvin Sogha, dubbed the Ketamine Queen.

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Speaker 1: What in last hours, a very dear and intimate friend

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Speaker 1: This is what the medical examiner has to say.

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Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year

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Speaker 4: old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.

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Speaker 4: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and

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Speaker 1: Rowena Chew, activist and former assistant to Harvey Weinstein. His

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Speaker 1: and she has just written a New York Times guest essay,

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Speaker 9: So what we know so far, at least when it

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Speaker 1: Music continue to live their lives. Hella Brandley, Daily Mail.

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Speaker 1: Matthew Perry can't live his life, and he's not the

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Speaker 1: dead but right now to Mike McCormick, owner lead investigator

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Speaker 1: MCM Investigations, former LAPD ever twenty five years. You can

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Speaker 1: Mike really boohoo. He can't prescribe control substances. That's his punishment.

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Speaker 1: He's back and his fancy sports car and his fancy

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Speaker 1: But you know what he can do. He can get

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Speaker 10: Happened, exactly exactly. This is a outcome of a link

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Speaker 1: Joining me Psychoanalyst to the stars, Doctor Bethany Marshall, author

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Speaker 1: of deal Breaker, and you can also see her on

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Speaker 11: Listen details of Harry's last days in a federal indictment

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Speaker 11: reveal it was very clear to doctor Placentia that Perry's

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Speaker 12: Defendant Placentia knew full well the danger of what he

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Speaker 1: And he's free. If you or I caused the death

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Speaker 1: That's why joining me Todd Barr Doctor Todd bar Board

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Speaker 1: certified anatomic clinical forensic pathologist. I'm very curious. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: he's also featured in Thin Places Essays, Essays from in

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Speaker 1: Between Dodger, thank you for being with us. I've been

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Speaker 1: he quote froze. That's hardly a medical description, but I've

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Speaker 13: So a spike in his systolic blood pressure just means

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Speaker 13: I mean people die from extreme fluctuations in their blood pressure.

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Speaker 1: ketamine injections. Now, I heard what Rowena Chu said that

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Speaker 1: the power balance is way off. But shouldn't you know instinctively,

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Speaker 1: especially after Perry was having seizures just days before, that

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Speaker 1: you should not be injecting ketamine to Matthew Perry at home.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this assistant needs to be in jail, along

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Speaker 1: with the doctor and the ketamine queen, the street supplier.

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Speaker 1: They all need to be in jail and we need

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Speaker 1: to know their sentences. So what's happening, kil, I don't

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Speaker 1: understand what's the hold up?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 9: Maybe I also want to break down exactly how much

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Speaker 9: ketymine was distributed to Matthew Perry. The doctors Chavis and

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Speaker 9: Placentia distributed twenty vials of kenemine to Perry for fifty

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Speaker 9: five thousand dollars in cash. That's charging him two thousand

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Speaker 9: dollars for a vial, and that vile cost doctor Chavi

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Speaker 9: is just twelve dollars. So you can imagine how much

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Speaker 9: money they were making off Perry. And that's the point

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Speaker 9: that the prosecutors were making. Now, the kenemy queen Sanga,

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Speaker 9: she sold about fifty vials of the drugs to Perry

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Speaker 9: with Fleming delivering the product that Eric Flemming, the Hollywood producer,

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Speaker 9: and they sold it to him for eleven thousand dollars.

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Speaker 9: So these people were making a lot of money off

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Speaker 9: of Perry's addiction, and they clearly knew as you said

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Speaker 9: he was seizing up, and then you had the person

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Speaker 9: who was injecting him, who was his trusted assistant. So

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Speaker 9: you make a great point that you know these people

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Speaker 9: should be held accountable, and that's exactly what the prosecutors

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Speaker 9: are trying to do.

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Speaker 12: They distributed approximately twenty vials of ketamine to mister Perry

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Speaker 12: in exchange for fifty five thousand dollars in cash. Defendant

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Speaker 12: Placentia saw this as an opportunity to profit off of

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Speaker 12: mister Perry. He wrote in a text message in September

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Speaker 12: twenty twenty three, quote.

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Speaker 14: I wonder how much this moron will pay.

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Speaker 12: He also stated in text messages that he wanted to

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Speaker 12: be mister Perry's sole source of supply. He wrote in

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Speaker 12: a text message that he wanted to be mister Perry's

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Speaker 12: quote go to for drugs.

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Speaker 14: Matthew Perry's assistant allegedly found Perry in similar circumstances two

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Speaker 14: times in the same week of his tragic.

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Speaker 1: Death, joining us Rowena Chew, former assistant to Harvey Weinstein,

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Speaker 1: who just wrote a New York Times guest essay, I

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Speaker 1: was a celebrity assistant. The power imbalance is very real.

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Speaker 1: You just heard other examples that celebrity assistants have named.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that in this case the assistant is

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Speaker 1: being scapegoated or do you believe he is rightfully being

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Speaker 1: prosecuted as it relates to Matthew Perry's death. I do

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Speaker 1: believe he's being scapegoated.

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Speaker 8: I mean, we just heard about how other players in

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Speaker 8: this system are making insane amounts of money, and I

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Speaker 8: asked you to think about what to see assistants stand

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Speaker 8: again in that equation, what does.

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Speaker 1: The money have to do with it? Rowena, Would it

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Speaker 1: make it okay if he was paid more money?

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Speaker 8: Oh no, absolutely not. I'm not saying that anybody was

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Speaker 8: doing anything right. However, there's a big difference between the

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Speaker 8: amounts of money the doctors and the drug dealers were

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Speaker 8: making and what did the assistants stand to gain. I

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Speaker 8: believe the assistant was just trying to survive. He wasn't

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Speaker 8: making staggering amounts of money, and so therefore his incentive

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Speaker 8: to do what he did was very different from the

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Speaker 8: doctors and the drug dealers. He wasn't out there trying

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Speaker 8: to get something for himself. He was merely trying to

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Speaker 8: survive his job. There's a big difference.

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Speaker 1: In that, so you believe the difference and whether he

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Speaker 1: should be held criminally culpable is whether he was getting

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Speaker 1: paid for shooting Matthew Perry up to his death.

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Speaker 8: I don't think that there's a huge incentive for him

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Speaker 8: to push this agenda, and therefore I don't believe that

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Speaker 8: he was pushing the agenda. He was merely doing what

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Speaker 8: he was told to do under incredibly strenuous circumstances. So

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Speaker 8: I'm merely saying that as a point of coercion, the

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Speaker 8: assistant is not really this person who should be staygoated.

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Speaker 6: That there are.

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Speaker 8: Layers of privilege and abuse of power that are far

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Speaker 8: greater than that. And you know, we can easily point

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Speaker 8: to doctors and drug dealers who were making vast amounts

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Speaker 8: of money and had a huge incentive to push this

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Speaker 8: kind of an agenda.

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Speaker 1: And are actually still making vast amounts of money. Mike

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Speaker 1: McCormick joining me, lead investigator of MCM investigations in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Mike McCormick, Oh, respect for Rowen and Chew, but I

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Speaker 1: think that's complete BS. I don't agree at all. Everybody

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Speaker 1: in Hollywood is making money off Slayer. Celebs are making

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Speaker 1: money off the studios. The studios are making money off

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Speaker 1: us and advertisers. That's how it works in Hollywood. It's

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Speaker 1: like one bloodsucker sucking on the next bloodsucker, just like ticks,

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Speaker 1: you know, stuck to the animal. But Mike McCormick, why

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Speaker 1: aren't they in jail number one? And what do you

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Speaker 1: make of what Rowena is saying that the assistant is

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Speaker 1: the scapegoat. I think they should all be put in

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Speaker 1: the same pot to boil and all be tried together

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Speaker 1: as it relates to Perry's death.

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Speaker 10: Well, I don't think the assistant is being scapegoated. I

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Speaker 10: just think he was being more loyal, just doing what

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Speaker 10: the boss wanted him to do. It had nothing to

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Speaker 10: do with money, was job security and loyalty.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on to some moment, doctor Bethany. Maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: not articulating my point that, well, the assistant lives in

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Speaker 1: a mansion, he makes plenty of money, he rubs elbows

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Speaker 1: with all of the stars, a drives a beautiful luxury car.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not understanding his poor conditions. I don't see it, Nancy.

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Speaker 15: I have a unique perspective on this because these assistants

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Speaker 15: sometimes come to my office. One in particular was the

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Speaker 15: major domo for one of the wealthiest men in the

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Speaker 15: world and had to stand around serving palomas to the

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Speaker 15: family all day long alcoholic beverages, and he became so

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Speaker 15: disgusted because one of the family members was drunk all

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Speaker 15: day long.

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Speaker 1: He was traumatized.

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Speaker 15: He came to therapy and said, I just cannot do

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Speaker 15: this anymore, and he left the job. So, yes, these

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Speaker 15: assistants are vulnerable in the sense that they often do

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Speaker 15: things they don't want to do, but they do have

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Speaker 15: agency in the world. And I think in particular, when

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Speaker 15: you are potentially committing homicide, that's a breach of duty,

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Speaker 15: that's lack of judgment that a ten year old knows

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Speaker 15: not to do.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 15: We just know basically, you don't kill somebody if you

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Speaker 15: administer a drug they sees you don't administer the drug. Again,

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Speaker 15: I mean, I'm sorry, but this assistant could have gone

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Speaker 15: and worked at a bar would probably I would prefer

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Speaker 15: to scrub floors then to inject somebody with a substance

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Speaker 15: that could kill them. It is just common sense. Of course,

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Speaker 15: there's a power imbalance. Of course, there's a power in

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Speaker 15: balance in life for all of.

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Speaker 1: Us exactly, you know, Caleb Brantley, I want to follow

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Speaker 1: up on what doctor Bethany is saying. Caleb Brantley joining

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Speaker 1: us from Daily Mail call. And we understand that Matthew

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Speaker 1: Perry's mansion is being renovated, especially around the hot of

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Speaker 1: the pool area where he died. Seems as if for Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: including the prosecutors, it's just business as usual. The doctor

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Speaker 1: is back and his clinic treating patients and making a

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Speaker 1: ton of money. There are no sentences on the people

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Speaker 1: that have agreed to plead guilty. It just seems as

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Speaker 1: if everyone's acting as though nothing happened. Matthew Perry is dead.

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Speaker 1: These people, according to the FEDS, are responsible. Why aren't

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Speaker 1: they behind bars Killa And what if anything can you

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Speaker 1: tell me about when these people are going to jail?

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Speaker 1: And one other question. Apparently one of Perry's intimate friends

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Speaker 1: states that he Perry was deathly afraid of needles and

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Speaker 1: she is questioning the real cood Killa Listen.

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Speaker 7: One of Perry's former assistants and ex girlfriend, Edwards, says

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Speaker 7: she does not believe Perry could have possibly been taking ketamine.

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Speaker 7: Edwards describes Perry's intense fear of needles, saying he wouldn't

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Speaker 7: even consider a tattoo due to the phobia. Edwards was

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Speaker 7: no stranger to Perry's addiction and told him he would

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Speaker 7: die in an argument over his drug use. Perry's response quote,

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Speaker 7: you only die when you use needles, and I would

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Speaker 7: never ever do that.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Brantley, what about it? This person an intimate friend

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Speaker 1: of Perry's, raising the specter of another cood cause of death.

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Speaker 9: I understand that, Nancy, But it was Katie Edwards. She

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Speaker 9: dated him back in two thousand and six, worked as

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Speaker 9: an assistant until like twenty eleven, so while they were

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Speaker 9: still friends, they hadn't dated in a while. And I

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Speaker 9: understand that she said that he had a fear of this.

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Speaker 9: But Matthew Perry himself had written in his book about

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Speaker 9: these ketamine infusions that he was taking and how it

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Speaker 9: felt and how it was helping him. So I personally

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Speaker 9: am not so sure of that theory. And you do

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Speaker 9: have his assistant and everyone and basically admitting to injecting him,

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Speaker 9: And back to your point of why aren't these people

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Speaker 9: you know behind bars and what's going on? I think

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Speaker 9: right now it's just a waiting game. We have had

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Speaker 9: clee deals which have gotten us more information from the assistant,

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Speaker 9: from the friend, from one of the doctors, so I

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Speaker 9: think we will be seeing more in due time. There

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Speaker 9: will be a sentence. They will end up safing the

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Speaker 9: consequences of their actions.

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. Now, in a statement, Placinsia's

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Speaker 1: lawyer reads out, doctor Placentsia is profoundly remorseful for the

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Speaker 1: treatment decisions he made while providing Kennymine to Matthew Perry. Well,

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Speaker 1: he can't even say I'm sorry himself. Placisia is playing

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Speaker 1: guilty to drug distribution and we'll surrender his medical license.

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Speaker 1: I know that much. I wonder what the sentence will be.

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Speaker 1: I know that in exchange for guilty, please, prosecutors have

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Speaker 1: agreed to drop three additional accounts of distribution and two

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Speaker 1: counts of falsifying records. Hmmm, what more do we know

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Speaker 1: about his role in the Friends Star's death?

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Speaker 14: Did the drug dealer dub the ketamine queen refer to

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Speaker 14: Matthew Perry by his friend's character name, and.

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Speaker 1: That would be his affinity Matthew Perry's afinity with Batman,

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Speaker 1: and he would call himself Matman, but according to sources,

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Speaker 1: the so called ketamine Queen Jasvine Songhai referred to him

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Speaker 1: as Chandler in their texts and emails when they would

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Speaker 1: talk about drugs and drug deliveries code named Chandler. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that was a toughie. Apparently, celebrities and celebrity doctors alike

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Speaker 1: across Hollywood are quaking in their boots, afraid that the

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Speaker 1: so called ketamine Queen is going to rat them out

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Speaker 1: in exchange for a sweetheart deal from the fees. The

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Speaker 1: so called Kenemine Queen, the one that supplied Matthew Perry

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Speaker 1: with the deadly dose of ketamine that ended in his death.

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Speaker 1: Are there other victims? Yes, listen.

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Speaker 11: Jazzvien Songha sells Cody mclowery several vials of ketamine. Later

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Speaker 11: that same day, mclowry's family finds him dead. A family

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Speaker 11: member tells Sogha her ketamine cos Mclowry's overdose death, and

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Speaker 11: Songha googles can ketamine be listed as a cause of death.

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Speaker 7: Eric Fleming, who reportedly acted as a program director at

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Speaker 7: the bel Air rehab Red Door, also had a resident

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Speaker 7: die on his watch. William Cooney, thirty six, was dead

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Speaker 7: of a fental overdose in his bathroom at the facility.

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Speaker 1: So those are two alleged victims. Two more victims of

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Speaker 1: the Ketemine Queen. That makes three if those two victims

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Speaker 1: are to be believed. In fact, Cody's family is speaking

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Speaker 1: out against the Ketemine Queen. And is she talking? Is

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Speaker 1: she making a deal with the fedes to get a

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Speaker 1: light sentence in exchange for ratting out other slips and

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Speaker 1: other doctors? Man, she needs a lot of money to

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Speaker 1: support this lifestyle. So what is the connection between the

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Speaker 1: Ketemine Queen and the other alleged victims? All dead?

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Speaker 16: Coming to light are broke Mueller's deep ties to suspects

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Speaker 16: Fleming and Soanha. Mueller spent time with Sanghai in one

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Speaker 16: of her many rehabs Dens, and Fleming is reportedly a

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Speaker 16: godfather to one of Mueller's children. Mueller reportedly pressured then

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Speaker 16: boyfriend William Cooney to join her at Powl Fleming's rehab

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Speaker 16: program where Kune the overdosed and died. Mueller may well

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Speaker 16: have introduced Fleming and Songhaw to Perry as shortcuts to

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Speaker 16: feed his addiction. Federal prosecutors report that Mueller is cooperating

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Speaker 16: with the investigation and is not facing any charges.

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Speaker 1: Let me understand Caleb Brantley joining us from dailymail dot com.

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Speaker 1: The so called Kennymine queen Songha meets up with who

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Speaker 1: in rehab and let me see is Brittan Mueller, who

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Speaker 1: apparently was very close to Matthew Perry. Now how does

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Speaker 1: that connect into Songhaw the dealer.

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Speaker 9: Well, all roads are kind of leading back to Jasine Songha,

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Speaker 9: the Kennymine Queen. She was a supplier of multiple people.

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Speaker 9: And now we do find this connection between Brooke Mueller,

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Speaker 9: who spent time with Matthew Perry in rehab. They were

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Speaker 9: close friends. And then we have Eric Flemming, who was

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Speaker 9: a director at the rehab center where this man William

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Speaker 9: Cooney had passed away. So it's all there is a

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Speaker 9: circular connection of going back to Sangha and I'm not

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Speaker 9: have been on the radar for a while. Back in

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Speaker 9: March twenty twenty four, the Fed rated her house and

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Speaker 9: they called it a drug imporium. These seventy nine bottles

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Speaker 9: that some had tested positive for keettymine. So this is

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Speaker 9: no surprise that Jasinfanga is involved in this Matthew Perry case.

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Speaker 1: Now two more alleged victims of this woman living the

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Speaker 1: high life that supplied the deadly dose to Matthew Perry.

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Speaker 1: Now would he be her third victim? Why has it

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Speaker 1: taken that to bring her to justice? Are those investigations

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Speaker 1: ongoing now? This, by far, is not the first time

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Speaker 1: a celebrity has died with enablers circling them like vultures. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I've heard.

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Speaker 4: How you doing.

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Speaker 14: It's a security from Burly Hilton.

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Speaker 7: Hi, what going on?

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Speaker 2: I need the paramedic only. I got a forty thic

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Speaker 2: yur old female I found in the bathroom, but a

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Speaker 2: fellow guy right now.

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Speaker 12: But they're requesting paramedica now, Okay, fello about them.

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Speaker 3: I love Ry mccannal.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure if you fellow if he was in

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Speaker 5: the bathroom.

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Speaker 9: With the water four four four three four.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry for the room four three fourth yet, Okay,

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Speaker 6: they're not you fought for anything else?

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Speaker 1: There's room four three four thirty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you don't know see a.

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Speaker 3: Country of bathing at all.

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Speaker 14: Apparently she wasn't breathing and she's toy sex curled.

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Speaker 9: He was not breathing.

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Speaker 1: Whinney Houston surrendered by enablers. Ultimately it cost her her life.

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Speaker 1: Then there is John Belushi, one of the greatest comedians

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Speaker 1: that ever lived. He was shot up with drugs at

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Speaker 1: the Chateau Marmont and his assistant did hard jail time

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Speaker 1: after shooting him up. Bobby Christina Whitney's daughter od. He

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Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. Of course, Michael Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Carter, Chris Farley went to rehab sixteen times. His

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Speaker 1: younger brother finds him dead in his apartment. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Prince died a deadly opioid injection. Goes all the way

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Speaker 1: back to Elvis, China, Amy Winehouse and a Nicole spiraled

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Speaker 1: down a drug hole while everyone supported that and enabled her.

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Speaker 1: Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix. It goes on and on, and

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Speaker 1: the enablers are never brought to justice. Straight out to

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Speaker 1: Mike McCormick, mcm investigations. Don't you know, the catamine Queen

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Speaker 1: and all of them. They're like rats on a sinking ship,

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Speaker 1: are ready to deal, ready to name names, addresses, phone numbers,

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Speaker 1: little black books to save their own skin. You don't

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Speaker 1: think they're talking to the FEDS right now? Oh?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, yeah, they're gonna tell them everything they want to

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Speaker 10: know to stay out to jail.

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Speaker 1: To Todd Barr joining us doctor Barr, Board certified and

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Speaker 1: atomic clinical forensic pathologist, Doctor Barr, what do you notice

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Speaker 1: about the death certificate?

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Speaker 13: So, Nancy, I have a lot of real issues with

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Speaker 13: the way this case was decided. As a forensic expert,

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Speaker 13: I have been involved in prosecutions of crimes that involved

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Speaker 13: other people distributing or administering drugs to a victim. The

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Speaker 13: very definition of a homicide is death at the hands

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Speaker 13: of another period, whether it's by omission or comission. In

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Speaker 13: this case comission. They brought in drugs, they injected them

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Speaker 13: into Matthew Perry's body. They should be charged with a homicide.

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Speaker 13: They should be charged with murder straight up everyone that's involved. Now,

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Speaker 13: the second part of this is the official cause of

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Speaker 13: death was listed as the acute effects of ketamine, and

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Speaker 13: then other conditions or contributing conditions included drowning. Now, there

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Speaker 13: are certain stigmata of drowning that you see at autopsy.

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Speaker 13: If those are present, then a drowning occurred. So Matthew

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Speaker 13: Perry's death is literally because of drowning. But then there's

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Speaker 13: a part B or drowning due to the intoxicating effects

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Speaker 13: of ketamine. So he was so dissociative and esthetized that

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Speaker 13: he slipped under the water. If they're going to list

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Speaker 13: drowning as a contributing factor, then that means they had

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Speaker 13: evidence that he drowned.

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Speaker 1: So it should have been listed as a drowning.

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Speaker 13: Number one due to the effects of ketamine, and the

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Speaker 13: manner of death should have been listed as homicide. So

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Speaker 13: I have a very strong opinion about the way this

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Speaker 13: death certificate was worded, and I believe that sometimes when

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Speaker 13: it's worded this way, defendants get off a lot easier.

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Speaker 13: I don't know if in LA they have something going

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Speaker 13: where they were these death certificates in a way so

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Speaker 13: people get off a little easier.

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Speaker 1: But that's my take too. Rowen and she joining us

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Speaker 1: former assistant to Harvey Weinstein now activists, who has just

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Speaker 1: written a New York Times guest essay called I was

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Speaker 1: a celebrity assistant. The power and balance is a very

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Speaker 1: real thought to you, Rowena, what do you make of

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Speaker 1: it all?

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Speaker 8: I think there are levels of power that we could

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Speaker 8: go after that are much more intense than that of

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Speaker 8: the assistant. I think the assistant, being the lowest run

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Speaker 8: on the ladder, probably is the last person that anyone

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Speaker 8: should go after because he has read his little autonomy.

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying that no one should be held accountable.

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Speaker 8: I'm saying that there are levels of power above him

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Speaker 8: that should be accountable before he is.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Salvadora Placinsia has been free on bond since his

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Speaker 1: arrest all the way back in August, and he will

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Speaker 1: remain free until his centising on December three. So what's

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Speaker 1: there to complain about. It has been said he is

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Speaker 1: not a flight risk. I don't know about that, but

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Speaker 1: I do know he was well aware Matthew Perry was

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Speaker 1: using ketamine, that he was an addict, yet he steal

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Speaker 1: handed it over hand, over fist. Of course. The doctor

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Speaker 1: leaves the courthouse surrounded by lawyers without speaking to anyone

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Speaker 1: gathered outside.

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Speaker 15: Now.

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Speaker 1: According to reports, Placentsia in a text message, called Matthew

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Speaker 1: Perry a quote moron who he Placentsia could exploit for money.

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Speaker 1: That's the doctor. We wait as justice unfold. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,