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Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on normally the show with

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Speaker 1: normalish it takes for when the news gets weird. This week,

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Speaker 1: once again we are a little heavy on takes and

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Speaker 1: lighter on news because we were doing an AMA.

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Speaker 2: I am Mary Catherine Ham.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Carol marco Itz. Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: I hope you guys have had a great break.

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Speaker 1: Carol, And can I ask what do you guys do

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Speaker 1: in Florida? You guys like light up your palm trees?

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Speaker 1: Is that what happens that as I sit in the snow.

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Speaker 3: Here, the day after Thanksgiving, Florida lights up all as

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Speaker 3: palm trees. I mean that's really literally what happens everywhere around.

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Speaker 3: I th think it did start that early in New

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Speaker 3: York either. It wasn't like the day after Thanksgiving all

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Speaker 3: the lights went up. It's very organized here, like a

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Speaker 3: lot of things, it just functions very very well. And

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Speaker 3: then one year, I think, you know, one community didn't

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Speaker 3: have its lights up and everybody was all up in

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Speaker 3: arms about it because what are you doing? Like what's

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Speaker 3: the delay here?

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Speaker 2: We've got some fun questions still coming in.

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Speaker 1: We'll do a couple serious ones, but I like this

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Speaker 1: one what was your favorite Christmas gift you ever received?

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Speaker 1: Yours will have to be gift in general slash.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 3: I'm just not like A. I don't know. I you know,

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Speaker 3: I have to say my husband and I are just

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Speaker 3: not big gift givers. I know this that sounds awful,

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Speaker 3: but like it's more like when we need something, we

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Speaker 3: just get it. It's not I don't know. I sometimes

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Speaker 3: wish we were better at it, but I also don't

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Speaker 3: want to try that hard. So all right, can I do?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think it's okay.

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Speaker 1: You've called a You've called a truth as long as

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Speaker 1: your desires are wind up.

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Speaker 3: Back and nobody's disappointed. And you know that that's the

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Speaker 3: worst part, right when people are like one side is

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Speaker 3: side is exactly I have to say, the best gift

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Speaker 3: my kids have gotten recently. If anybody's still looking at shop,

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Speaker 3: I know this is clost Christmas, but a silent basketball.

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Speaker 3: It like feels like a basketball and it doesn't feel

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Speaker 3: like it plays like a basketball, but it's for indoor

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Speaker 3: you and it's really good. I'm a big fan. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: get that.

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Speaker 2: Things that we can make in this modern world amazing.

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Speaker 1: I think I would say my favorite, maybe my favorite

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Speaker 1: childhood present was a do you remember the cartoon ThunderCats.

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Speaker 3: Of course, yes, thunder So I got the whole.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my parents must have been doing pretty well that

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Speaker 1: year or something because I got There were other years

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Speaker 1: being so magical, but my parents will tell me later,

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Speaker 1: like we got all those things at the thirst store.

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Speaker 1: This was a This was a brand new Thundercat's lair

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Speaker 1: with like a racetrack running through it that you could

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Speaker 1: put the ThunderCats uh cars on and vehicles and it

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Speaker 1: was like it was very elaborate. There were several figurines.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it would be worse something if I still

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Speaker 1: had it. Loved that And I think I got a

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Speaker 1: pound puppy the same year, so it was like a

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Speaker 1: pretty I really was a big year Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my fae great gift ever was my

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Speaker 3: Cabbage Patch Kid.

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Speaker 2: That got a promotion or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Cabbage Patch Kid was basically the biggest toy

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Speaker 3: of my childhood. I still have it. My you know,

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Speaker 3: He Victor with the with the birth certificate.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but signature on their butts.

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Speaker 3: The butt still exists. Navier Roberts still kind of smells

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Speaker 3: a little bit like baby powder. I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: like tho years later, more than thirty even thirty five,

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Speaker 3: and it still has the little scent. It's it's and

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Speaker 3: we've washed it. So I don't know what they do.

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Speaker 2: That's all. That's impressive. What did they make that out of?

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Speaker 2: I wonder something right?

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Speaker 1: And then my husband is an extremely thoughtful gift giver,

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Speaker 2: It's uh, it's great.

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Speaker 1: I think I actually think I've I've told him before

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Speaker 1: he should give classes to other hetero dudes about how

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Speaker 2: But he'd be hilariously bad.

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Speaker 1: At giving classes because he's just like, well, I just

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Speaker 2: That other people aren't doing right, Steve.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But also people, I have never heard my husband

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Speaker 3: say he wants something ever. Ever. Ever, he has never

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Speaker 1: And my husband actually frustratingly buys everything he wants for himself, which.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he's very hard to shop for.

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Speaker 1: I did one time make him a hat rack out

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Speaker 1: And now that's where our BA small caps reside, so

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Speaker 3: Of I think we've seen it in the background of

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Speaker 1: This one is much more elaborate than that. I will

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Speaker 2: It was a little weird because we were actually not

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Speaker 1: If I make this very elaborate gift for him, is

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Speaker 1: to gauge your gift giving. And it was also very big,

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Speaker 1: so I was like, close your eyes on bringing this

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Speaker 2: And he did and it's still on the wall.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it all worked out.

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Speaker 2: All right. I'm gonna do another fun one. Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: What was the first concert for each of you?

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Speaker 3: My first concert was Debbie Gibson Electric Youth. I have

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Speaker 3: to say, I know shade to Debbie, but I definitely

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Speaker 3: look I like her music. I had, you know, again,

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Speaker 3: also a long islander. I went to see Billy, Joel

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Speaker 3: most of that show. The lesson here is don't fire

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Speaker 1: My first one, And then I'm going to ask you

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Speaker 2: My first one, I believe, was Leonard skinnerd.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, that is a first concert which is on brand.

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Speaker 1: I have to say there may have been one I

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Speaker 2: Julian Lennon. Oh yeah, do you remember when Julian Lennon

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he actually had a He put out one great

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Speaker 2: So I did see that one.

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Speaker 1: And then Leonard Skinner on my own in high school

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Speaker 3: I was like, it was really clea, this is worth it.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Ludacris? I really I associate you

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Speaker 3: seen big rap artists. Back in Brooklyn, there was a

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Speaker 2: No, we had that teenagers.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, maybe that's why they don't have them anymore.

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Speaker 2: Not that I would engage in such a thing, but

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Speaker 1: Saying, yeah, yeah, it was a different time.

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Speaker 3: It was a different time, it was a better time.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break and come right

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Speaker 3: back with normally. Should we do a more serious one?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, here's a question.

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Speaker 1: Would we ever have a non Zionist Jew on the

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Speaker 3: challenged or any of that. Zionism is the belief that

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Speaker 3: let's have an Israel. Now that Israel exists, it's not

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, you don't say what blue state

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Speaker 1: Because I enjoy your your your ex get togethers that

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Speaker 2: To talk about it.

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Speaker 1: It's not fun for everyone, but we do, and we

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Speaker 1: sometimes like to debate that. I think that's one of

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Speaker 3: Well, I was saying that this is the most abnormal

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Speaker 3: thing about us, is that we enjoy this insane thing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And so having people that are happy to toss

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're right, it is because we need the

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Speaker 3: life rafts. The last half of that question was what

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Speaker 3: was Ben like in person? For instance? And I assume

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Speaker 3: that means Ben Shapiro. He talks super fast. He is

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Speaker 3: exactly who you think he is. He's like the guy

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm going to make the weirdest comparison ever,

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Speaker 1: but perfect for us. Ben Shapiro in person is much

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Speaker 1: like Outcast in concert. It's just as fast as it

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Speaker 3: I like that Ben Shapiro the rapper.

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Speaker 2: He is a rapper, so I've seen him do it.

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Speaker 3: Do it. We'll be right back on normally. All right,

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Speaker 3: our last question what should it be? Oh? How about this?

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Speaker 3: Let's leave with a nice, easy one. How do you

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Speaker 3: help your kids stay in the normy range as they age?

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Speaker 3: Love all the content, Thanks for working so hard. Look,

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Speaker 3: I mean one thing is our kids just my kids

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Speaker 3: do not have any concept of what goes on in

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Speaker 3: my online world. We keep them normal by keeping them

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Speaker 3: normal and by not introducing them to concepts that are

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Speaker 3: too advanced to them. I think that's the overall thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we do try to be a light

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Speaker 1: screens family. They are allowed screen time, but it is

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Speaker 1: pretty restricted at this point. They do not have a

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Speaker 2: They know what I do, but they don't.

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Speaker 1: They don't think about it very much because they don't

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Speaker 1: need to think about politics very much.

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Speaker 2: They're sort of.

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Speaker 1: Well informed about civics, which is what we're going for.

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Speaker 1: I keep them connected to family and to faith. I

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Speaker 1: think those things have enduring values that go beyond whatever

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Speaker 1: the fat of the day might be that they run into.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, reading books also, which is the thing that

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of all these asking me other things,

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Speaker 1: we decided we were going to do more of in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: So that's right to learn what my kids are well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us on this very special episode

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Speaker 3: of Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can

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Speaker 3: subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get in touch with

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Speaker 3: us at normallythepod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 3: and when things get weird remember act normally