1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: Epstein's creepy dentist chair on his Lolita Island revealed. And 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: if that doesn't send a chill down your spine thinking 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: of those little girls in a dentist room on a 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: dentist chair on Lolita Island alone with Jeffrey Epstein the pedophile. 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: Another bombshell tonight as damning emails emerge, implicating everyone from 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: Prince Andrew all the way to high ups, wealthy successful 8 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: individuals within the d C stratosphere. I'm Nancy Grace, this 9 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being 10 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: with us. Jeffrey Epstein, May Epstein rot in hell play 11 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: guilty to solicitation and procurement of the miners for sex 12 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: as young as twelve years old were flown to Lolita Island. 13 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: Will there finally be justice for Epstein victims? 14 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: Well? 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: The so called Transparency Act, the Epstein Files Transparency Act 16 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: has passed. But are there more delays and smoke screens? 17 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: Is it just a big hoax? 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 3: Listen? 19 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: The Epstein Files Transparency Act passes the House in a 20 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 4: nearly unanimous vote and heads straight to Trump's desk for approval. 21 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 5: What did jenre Epstein mean the emails he said, you 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 5: knew about the girls. 23 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 6: I know nothing about that. 24 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 7: That we'd have been now seven long time ago. 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 8: It's really what did he mean when you spent all 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 8: the time with Milklin, with the president of Harvard. 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 9: You know that is Summers, Larry Summers. 28 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 10: Whenever I say, has said all of the other people 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 10: they spend time us. 30 00:01:53,160 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I don't like politics, but I can tell 31 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: you this much. 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 2: If I know about Jeffrey Epstein stating that Trump knew 33 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: quote about the girls, that Trump knows about it. 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: So that's deflection at its very best. 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: Victoria Churchill, joining US US political reporter for Dailymail dot com, 36 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: on the Epstein scandal. From the get go, it's more 37 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: than a scandal. This is about child molesstation on a 38 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: world wide scale. I want the perps behind jail, and 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 2: I don't care who they are. 40 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: Why is Trump lying about that? I don't know. It's 41 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: because he was friends with Jeffrey Epstein and he thinks 42 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 3: it tarnishes him or is it more? But he is right. 43 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: People associated with JP Morgan, with Harvard appointees, within the 44 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: DC political circuit, they're all going down. 45 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: Marriages being destroyed. 46 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 2: People leaving their jobs, resigning their positions because of Jeffrey Epstein. 47 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: Do I care? H double l and oh don't care. 48 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: I want the people that molested girls as young as 49 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 2: twelve years old behind bars like all the other criminals 50 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: that aren't rich and politically connected. What's happening. What's happening 51 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: with the release of the document's Victoria Churchill? 52 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely so. Congress passed, particularly on the House side 53 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 11: the Epstein files. Every single member of Congress except for 54 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 11: one voted for the legislation, and then it actually kind 55 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 11: of snuck its way through the Senate. They did a 56 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 11: legislative move called unanimous consent where they didn't actually kind 57 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 11: of vote on it by voice or by recorded vote. 58 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: It just passed. 59 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 11: Because it had passed so overwhelmingly in the House, Senate 60 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 11: Minority Leader Chuck Schumer was able to do that unanimous 61 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 11: consent provision and pass those that bill, sending it to 62 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 11: Trump's desk. Trump signed it. He signed it behind closed doors, 63 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 11: which I think is notable because this is somebody that 64 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 11: loves the signing ceremony in the Oval office. He loves 65 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 11: to bring people that are related to whatever legislation he's 66 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 11: signing in However, those Epstein victims did not get their 67 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 11: visit to the Oval Office, and so that's kind of 68 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 11: a contrast that we're seeing between the Oval Office versus 69 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 11: members of Congress. Of course, Rocana, the Democrat, Thomas Massey, 70 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 11: the Republican, were the leading people that led the charge 71 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 11: on this and then as well as Marjorie Taylor Green, 72 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 11: who has now announced that she's resigning after her very 73 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 11: public clashes with Trump over the last few months, particularly 74 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 11: on this issue. And so this legislation compelled the Department 75 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 11: of Justice to release the files. But some of this 76 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 11: footage that we're seeing now was actively preemptively released by 77 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 11: Democrats on the House Oversight Committee. And these files dropped, 78 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 11: of course, were made public, made national and international news 79 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 11: because people implicated in these files, knowingly implicated in these 80 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 11: files stretched not only in the US but. 81 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: Also in the UK. 82 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 11: But one thing that I thought was notable is that 83 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 11: Thomas Massey during that last Epstein victims press conference that 84 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 11: happened right before the vote on Capitol Hill, Massey actually 85 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 11: said that the UK has done a better job dealing 86 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 11: with the people related to Epstein in these files. Of course, 87 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 11: notably Andrew and I will correct you, Nancy. He is 88 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 11: now no longer Prince Andrew because he's been stripped of 89 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 11: his title, and so. 90 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: It's force of habit. 91 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: It's very hard for me to call him by his 92 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 3: first name, Andrew. 93 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: But you know, let me call on a brit to 94 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: answer up to that, and I will let doctor Bethany 95 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 2: Marshall drink in the interior. It's I call it low 96 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: Lee to Island where girls as young as twelve year 97 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: old were years old. 98 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: We're ferried over for sex with Epstein. 99 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: And his clients and friends made they all rot in hell, 100 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 2: the virginal white, the whole interior decorp. Bethany Marshall, just 101 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: drink that in I'm while I'm with Shooter, because that 102 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: tells me I'll lot and what do you see the 103 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: dentist's chair. But Rob Cheeter, I disagree vehemently with what 104 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: Victoria Churchill just said, just part of it. Rob Cheeter 105 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 2: is with me, hosts notughty but nice podcast. But he's 106 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: author of a brand new book and it is on 107 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: Amazon right now and it's selling out. 108 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: It's great. I read it. It started with a whisper. 109 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: I guess you name that. But Rob Shooter the Brits 110 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: have done better than we have. 111 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: That's crap. 112 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: Technical legal term may not be part of the British 113 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: legal system. Is Andrew still living rent free with servants, drivers, 114 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: a stable, all the perks is not working. 115 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: They've done nothing with him. 116 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 10: You're one hundred percent riot and you don't feel this alone. 117 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 10: The British public is outraged by this. This is a 118 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 10: really really big issue for the monarchy and they've got 119 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 10: to deal with this quickly. The problem they have is 120 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 10: that Andrew a seventy five year lease. It is an 121 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 10: iron clad lease on this palace called the Royal Lodge. 122 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 10: It's thirty rooms, and so he's. 123 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: Being kicked out of Royal Lodge even I know that. 124 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: So what So he's been kicked out of one mansion 125 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 3: and he's moving to another. Don't care. And you can 126 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: just take. 127 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: Down that union jack behind you, okay, because we hear 128 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: the US are buying your book and supporting you. 129 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: And there you are with a brit flag behind you. 130 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 10: Nd see, I'm a person of the world. Many countries 131 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 10: can enjoy the book. It's started with a whisper, which 132 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 10: you are right, is an amazing book. 133 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 9: So thank you for that. 134 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 10: But Andrew back to Andrew. He's in this royal lodge 135 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 10: until he really wants to leave. It's a terrible embarrassment. 136 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 10: The King wants him out, the public wants him out. 137 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 10: He's digging in his heels, which is to me, once 138 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 10: again proving how tone Death, how clueless this man is. 139 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 10: He thinks he's special. He's gone away with him. 140 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: I don't even know what you're saying, toned, clueless, Rob Shooter. 141 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: I don't care about tone Death. I care about the people. 142 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: You know what. Let me go to Barry Levine. 143 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: I'm getting nowhere with you, Rob, you're taking up for 144 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: your fellow Brits. Barry Levine is with us author of 145 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: a bestseller, The Spider Inside The Tangled Web of Jeffrey 146 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: Epstein and Julanne Maxwell. He is a veteran investigative journalist, 147 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: editor in both print and TV. I'd like to direct 148 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: your attention, Barry Levine to Jeffrey Epstein's dental chair. 149 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: Can I see the. 150 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: Interior of as I call it, Lolita Island? How many 151 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: little twelve year old girls do you think sat in 152 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: that chair? I don't even want to think about what 153 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 2: went on in that room. 154 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, the room itself is creepy. You have all 155 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 7: of these masks of men on the walls. I can 156 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 7: tell you from the research I did for my book 157 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 7: this that Jeffrey Epstein set up that room for his girlfriend, 158 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 7: who was a dentist. She was from Belarus. He knew 159 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 7: her from her twenties. He put her through dental school, 160 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 7: and she would perform dental procedures in that room. What 161 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 7: else went on in that room we don't know, but 162 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 7: I can tell you that I would love to see 163 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 7: the House Oversight Committee speak to her about what she knew. 164 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 7: And I also want to point out very significantly that 165 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 7: she was the last person to speak to him alive. 166 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 7: Her lawyer told us for the book that she had 167 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 7: no indication he was planning on taking his life. But 168 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 7: this is a woman who was filled with secrets, who 169 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 7: had known Jeffrey Epstein for more than ten years, and 170 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 7: I would like to see her interviewed. 171 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: Bary Levane. 172 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: Let me have a tiny little lightning round with investigative reporter, 173 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: journalist and author Barry Levine. 174 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: This is a yes, no. That's what lightning around means. 175 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: Isn't it true that Jeffrey Epstein arranged the transport of 176 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: girls as young as twelve years old from around the world, 177 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: the stands, all the stands, Turkey, France to Lolita Island. 178 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: Isn't that true? 179 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 7: It's absolutely true. And when they arrived, he had them 180 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 7: dressed up in university and college sweatshirts to pretend that 181 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 7: these girls were in fact older, looking older, but in fact, 182 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 7: the people at the airport knew that they were young kids. 183 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: And as of tonight, isn't it true, Barry Levine, that 184 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: none of the let me put it bluntly, John's the 185 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: men that were I'd like to say having sex, but 186 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: that's not accurate with underage children. 187 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: That statutory rape. 188 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: Anything that they did, any penetration is statutory rape. Anything 189 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: else is child moless station which is also a felony. 190 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: None of them have been brought to justice. Isn't that true? Levin? 191 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 7: It's absolutely true, Nancy, and Representative Massey has told us 192 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 7: that there's twenty men that he's aware of that engaged 193 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 7: in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking, and why these men have 194 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 7: not been brought to justice? To me, that's the number 195 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 7: one question that I hope the Epstein files will answer. 196 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 7: Why did these men get off Why do these men 197 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 7: not face any type of charges. We need to find out. 198 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 3: You know what, I'm trying. 199 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: But there's this little thing called Congress and the Oval 200 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 2: Office that seemed to be thwarting me. Joining me right 201 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: now is Lynn Shaw, Founder Executive director Lynn's Warriors, committed 202 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: to ending human trafficking and sexploitation of children. 203 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: They know of twenty just off the top of their head. 204 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: The one source nothing has been done is delay, delay, delay. 205 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 3: This so called Transparency Act went down. 206 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: Nobody's in jail, nobody's name, nobody's being prosecuted. Girls as 207 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: young as twelve being ferried over to Lolita Island to 208 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: be looked over like they were pieces of candy and 209 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 2: a box of chocolates for old guys to molest. Nothing 210 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: has happened Land, Nothing. 211 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 12: And I don't like saying this, Nancy. I don't think 212 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 12: we're really going to see anything happen. We've been talking 213 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 12: about this case, fighting for our victims and our survivors 214 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 12: for years now, and yes, we just had the the files. 215 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 12: You know, Transparency Act passed in November. But you know what, 216 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 12: there's a lot of silence on Capitol Hill. I just 217 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 12: got back from Capitol Hill, and I asked a lot 218 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 12: of questions, and nobody seems to be talking about it anymore. 219 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 12: I don't want to hear about we're gonna have more 220 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 12: files released, because these files just prove to us there's 221 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 12: nothing really new in them, or everything's redacted so you 222 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 12: can't see anything anyway. Our focus is on these victims 223 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 12: and their survivors, because all of this is again this 224 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 12: power and this wealth. We're talking about twelve year olds, okay, fourteen, 225 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 12: sixteen year olds, and. 226 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: Nothing is being done. 227 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 12: So there is a major failure, a major roadblock, and 228 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 12: I really think we're just not going to ever get 229 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 12: to the bottom of this, bottom of this. I don't 230 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 12: like saying this at all. 231 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: Please don't say never. Please don't say never. Please. 232 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 2: I've got to have something to believe in. 233 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 3: I've got to believe that there will. You believe justice. 234 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 12: You believe in these brave women who have come forward, 235 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 12: who are demanding, who march on Capitol Hill, who have 236 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 12: gone to all the women's caucuses, They're going into all 237 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 12: the offices, and they are demanding justice, and that's what 238 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 12: we have hope for. 239 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: To doctor Bethany Marshall, Psycho Alla is joining us out 240 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: of La author of deal Breaker. You can see her 241 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 2: on Peacock and find her a doctor Bethany Marshall dot 242 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: com Doctor Bethany. Back to the interior, there are about 243 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty photos and videos, and I would 244 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: like to see them. Did you see doctor Bethany the Virginal. Oh, 245 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: there's a massage room one of them. The Virginal white 246 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: interior of some of the rooms where the girls stayed. 247 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 3: It almost looked like that girly furniture my sister and 248 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: I had it there. 249 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: You go at some all white, kind of antique twite 250 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: with kind of a French twist to it for little girls, 251 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: and much of the interior decor is like that. 252 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: It's disgusting, you know, Nancy. 253 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 13: This is not just an island. This is a sex club. Okay, 254 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 13: So if you go inside in Los Angeles there's there 255 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 13: are a number of sex club swingers, sex clubs, nightclubs, 256 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 13: and usually they have various rooms or chambers. There could 257 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 13: be an underage room. There could be a dentist room 258 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 13: where somebody sits in the chair and the dentist comes 259 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 13: in and performs procedures. There could even be an obgyn 260 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 13: room where the woman lies back on a table, an 261 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:21,359 Speaker 13: exam table, while the doctor comes in and examines her vasionally. 262 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 13: So these are all sex fantasies. This is not decor 263 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 13: that would go into some average home or a hotel 264 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 13: or something like this. This is this is the decor 265 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 13: that you see in sex clubs. And what's disturbing is 266 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 13: that this is an underage sex club. So what do 267 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 13: you how do you decorate an underage sex club. You 268 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 13: decorate it with furniture and decor that a twelve year 269 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 13: old would like, fluffy chairs, everything in white, something that 270 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 13: you could photograph for your Instagram. So this is one thing. 271 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethory photos. 272 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: I'm looking at this huge, gigantic kitchen, the beautiful exterior 273 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: that goes out to the ocean. It's a lavish, lavish 274 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: almost a castle set on an island. A lot of 275 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: these girls are underprivileged, Light Virginia Jifrei Wise and many others. 276 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure they've never seen a home like this, Dr Bethany. 277 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 13: So you know, we think about sex predators back in 278 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 13: the day saying, oh, you know, you want to put 279 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 13: my puppy, or here's some candy, little girl. This is 280 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 13: the the new age version of Candy and a puppy. 281 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 13: You give them a lavish setting on an island with politicians, actors, VIPs. 282 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 13: Tell them they're going to rub elbows with the rich 283 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 13: and and because of that they might become famous as well. 284 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 13: What is that That's enticing a minor, That's what they're doing. 285 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 13: He's enticing a minor with this particular scenario. But you 286 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 13: know what he's also doing. He's enticing other sex predators 287 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 13: to come to the island. So I think that's what's 288 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 13: so amazing about these photos and everything that's being released, 289 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 13: is we're going to see the other participants in these 290 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 13: scenarios who took place in this lavish sex club for 291 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 13: minors on an island. That's what we're seeing. 292 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: I've never heard of statutory right described as a sex 293 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: club for miners, but you said that. I didn't, And 294 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to have to ask Andrea Lewis, who is 295 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 2: a partner partner at the Sarcey Law Firm in Palm Beach, Florida, 296 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: where all of this first came to lit. When Epstein 297 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: was actually charged and convicted, got a slap on the risk. Basically, 298 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: he had a limo driver taking him wherever he wanted, 299 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: slept a few nights in the Palm Beach jail. But 300 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: did you know, Andrea, I want you to hear this, 301 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 2: and Andrew Lewis, thanks for being with us tonight, that the 302 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: documents that are going to be released under the Epstein 303 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: File Transparency Act, we the taxpayers have already paid nearly 304 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 2: one million dollars because there is a whole team one 305 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: thousand employees working overtime, five thousand dollars, five thousand hours 306 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: of overtime, one million dollars almost redacting names, redacting the 307 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: truth listen. 308 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 6: The Transparency Act requires Attorney General Bondi to release the 309 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 6: remaining Epstein files by December nineteenth. Information can be redacted, 310 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 6: the identity of victims, child sexual abuse materials, it's national 311 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 6: security or ongoing investigation. Redactions must be disclosed to Congress 312 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 6: with the Attorney General's justifications for withholding. 313 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 4: FBI Director Patel assigns one thousand employees to redact the 314 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 4: Epstein files, nearly five thousand hours of overtime. However, Bondie's 315 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 4: Phase one release in February contained just sixty one of 316 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty pages reviewed, seventy percent of the 317 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 4: overtime was approved in March, but only the raw MCC 318 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 4: surveillance footage was released before the DOJ's July statement there 319 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 4: was nothing else to see. 320 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 7: Here's a money trail, more than one billion dollars in 321 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 7: money that Jeffrey Epstein sent out to conduct his sex trafficking. 322 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 7: The proof's in the pudding, and it's all there. It's 323 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 7: all the financial records. 324 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 2: Nearly one million dollars paid for five thousand hours of overtime, 325 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: one thousand employees. We're paying to redact the files. So 326 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: even though we're getting the files, we can't read them. 327 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: That's what the black sharpie is. You can't tell I've 328 00:19:53,640 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: redacted files myself. 329 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 330 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 3: Angie Lewis. 331 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 2: You're a veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor now with 332 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: the Cercy law firm Palm Beach. 333 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: Redaction is approved by the US Supreme Court. 334 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 2: For instance, if I had two defendants that I was 335 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: trying together instead of severing their murder case, if one 336 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: named the other, I'd have to redact that out. Why 337 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: because the other may not take the stand and subject 338 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: themselves to cross examination. So you can't have interlocking confessions 339 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: where one defendant won't take the standing be cross examined. 340 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: There are many reasons, legitimate reasons for redacting. This is 341 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: not one of them. 342 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 3: So suddenly we've. 343 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: Got another delay while all the minions are redacting the 344 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 2: truth out of the files. 345 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 5: Nancy, you just hit the nail on the head. And 346 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 5: that is really really a critical problem here that I 347 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 5: think needs to be highlighted. Hearing the word transparency thrown around, 348 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 5: but is this really a transparent effort to get the 349 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 5: truth out? If you are redacting all of the critical, 350 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 5: critical relevant information, including names, financial information, and all of 351 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 5: the other information in there that could potentially to lead 352 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 5: to other pedophiles, other wrongdoers being put behind bars, how 353 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 5: does that help us? How does that further us getting 354 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 5: justice and trying to get justice for these survivors. 355 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 3: It doesn't. 356 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 5: And the issues that you just highlighted that are in 357 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 5: fact legitimate times when redactions would be used in trial. 358 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 5: The difference there is number one, there's a trial, there's 359 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 5: a purpose, there's a reason to be doing it. And 360 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 5: number two, in those circumstances, you have multiple eyes on them, 361 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 5: the defense and the you know, the prosecutors would all 362 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 5: agree as to what redactions need to be made. 363 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 3: Was just going to bring that up, Andrea. 364 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: For every redaction that I did, the defense had to 365 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: know about it, for all the parties, the judge had 366 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: to know about it. 367 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: The appellate courts knew about it. 368 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: They had the whole record, including the non redacted documents. 369 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 3: But here this is. 370 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: All being done in secrecy by minions within the DJ 371 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: Department of Justice. I mean Barry Levine, author of The 372 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: Spider inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Gallainne Maxwell. 373 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: Wait, do you see pictures I've. 374 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 2: Got of Gallaine Maxwell everywhere she goes at her let me, 375 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 2: I call it camp Bunny. It's for basically people with misdemeanors. 376 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: She has an umbrella to shield her face, she gets 377 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: puppy time, umbrella time, and is basically using the Chief 378 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: Warden as her personal assistant. I'll get to that later. 379 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: Barry Levine, what's being redacted? Break it down, give it 380 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: to me in a nutshell. 381 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, first of all, they're redacting victims' names. They're 382 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 7: also redacting what they deem national security related to Jeffrey Epstein. 383 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 7: We don't really understand. Which is bs. I agree. They're 384 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 7: also redacting information that could be used in other investigation, 385 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 7: other investigations that they say there are ongoing. President Trump 386 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,239 Speaker 7: demanded a new investigation related to Jeffrey Epstein for some 387 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 7: of his Democratic enemies, so it's quite possible that they're 388 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 7: redacting information related to those men. At the end of 389 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 7: the day, that is completely wrong. It's disgusting. We need 390 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 7: to get to the men who are involved in this. 391 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: I wonder if their names are being redacted for national 392 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: security purposes well, and all of the redactions, they seemingly 393 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 2: left one redaction out the name of the victims. 394 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 14: What are the next steps out of Attorney General for 395 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 14: the DOJ regarding the what we assume President Trump will 396 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 14: signed into law with the Epstein files. Is it going 397 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 14: to be on the Justice Department website? What are you 398 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 14: doing here over the next thirty days? As we understand it, we. 399 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 15: Will continue to follow the law with maximum transparency while 400 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 15: protecting victims. 401 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 16: The documents contain dozens of instances of unredacted victim names, 402 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 16: spreading panic among Epstein survivors. Attorneys representing victims file a 403 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 16: scathing motion with the federal judge demanding the DOJ improve 404 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 16: their review policy to prevent another release of potentially sensitive information. 405 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: We were told there would be no new investigations, but 406 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 2: guess what there are? 407 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 3: Listen Man, Attorney General. 408 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 17: The DLJ statement earlier this year saying that the files 409 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 17: would not release mention the fact that the review of 410 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 17: the documents and the evidence did not suggest that any 411 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 17: additional investigation of third parties was warranted. What changed since 412 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 17: then that you launched this investigation? 413 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 15: Information that has come for information. There's information that new information, 414 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 15: additional information. 415 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 6: Days before signing the Transparency Act, Trump orders the DOJ 416 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 6: to investigate Epstein's ties to Bill Clinton, former Treasury Secretary 417 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 6: Larry Summers, and LinkedIn co founder Reid Hoffmann. Also a 418 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 6: full review of JP Morgan Chase's failure to report Epstein's 419 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 6: suspicious financial activities until after his death. These new investigations 420 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 6: may postpone or halt the release of any more Epstein files. 421 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: Victoria Churchill, political reporter for the Dailymail dot com. So victims' 422 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: names managed to be outed, many many more names have 423 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 2: been redacted, and now a new investigation is being launched 424 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: into political enemies that are named in these documents. 425 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 3: What this is is. 426 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 2: A delay new investigations mean a delay in releasing all 427 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: the documents. 428 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: That's what's happening right now. 429 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 2: Do I really believe any of those people are going 430 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 2: to be prosecuted? 431 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 3: No, I don't. This is another delay tactic. 432 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 11: Yes, absolutely, you're completely right on that, Nancy. And this 433 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 11: was something that members of Congress, particularly Thomas Massey, who, 434 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 11: of course we've mentioned several times on the show today. 435 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 11: This is something he warned about, and this is something 436 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 11: that he was asked about because this was a reason 437 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 11: that Speaker Mike Johnson didn't support the discharge petition originally, 438 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 11: is that, you know, he wanted to protect the victims exactly. 439 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 11: And so what Massei had actually said about this on 440 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 11: Capitol Hill numerous times is he said that the DOJ 441 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 11: can't open enough investigations to keep all of these files shut. 442 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: Why do we still not have the Epstein files. Well, 443 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 2: there are a lot of theories out there. 444 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 9: Listen, the Epstein files didn't just drop yesterday. They were 445 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 9: dragged out of a system that never wanted us to 446 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 9: see them. So ask yourself, what kind of a democracy 447 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 9: needs a discharge petition to expose a sex trafficking network? 448 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 9: The Epstein files dropped, but no client list, no flight laws, 449 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 9: and definitely no accountability. And the DOJ they might still 450 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 9: be holding the most critical documents, surveillance footage, internal memos, 451 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 9: names that connect the dots, and they've got cover ongoing investigations, 452 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 9: privacy laws pending review. 453 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: That's from Jane's on point one on TikTok, Barry Levine, 454 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 2: he's right, you don't have to have an LM from 455 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 2: NYU to understand what's going on. 456 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 3: The guy's right, danc. 457 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 7: He's totally right. But the fact is is that part 458 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 7: of let discharge petition says that they can hold back 459 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 7: names of third parties who have not been charged, just 460 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 7: not to embarrass these men. 461 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: And there's more. 462 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 9: But let's be real. If this were anybody else, it'd 463 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 9: be public, dissect it and turn into a docu series 464 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 9: by now. But when it's billionaires and presidents, suddenly it's 465 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 9: all sealed and sacred. This isn't about conspiracy, it's about consistency. 466 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 9: Justice doesn't get to hide just because the names are expensive. 467 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 9: Justice for survivors means full transparency, no exceptions, no delays, 468 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 9: and no deals. 469 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 14: The cover up is so massive because if I was 470 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 14: being accused of anything like this. I would want everything 471 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 14: to come out to exonerate me, and he's not doing that. 472 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 3: So let's see what happens. 473 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 2: That was at James on Point one, TikTok and this 474 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: American mess TikTok. You know, when you have the public 475 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: speaking out so vehemently, how can DC afford to sit 476 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: back and do nothing? We know we're getting stonewalled now. 477 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: Political rivals are being investigated. Five thousand million hours of redaction, 478 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: A million dollars for minions to hide the truth. 479 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 3: How long can they do it? Lynn Shaw? Who is hurting? 480 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: Now? 481 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: Are the victims? 482 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: You think they care about third party investigations? About a 483 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 2: million dollars worth of reaction? These then girls, now women 484 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: are suffering for the rest of their lives ever what 485 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: was done to them on Lolita Island. 486 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 12: Yeah, and here's the thinking behind the scenes that I've 487 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 12: been told. Delay is the way we'll keep kicking this 488 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 12: can down the road. We will exhaust the public, We'll 489 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 12: use everything in our power to not address this, and 490 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 12: everybody eventually will just go away. That's what they think. 491 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 12: But I'm here to say the group of survivor women 492 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 12: that are so strong that have come forward not only 493 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 12: for themselves, but for all the women who have not 494 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 12: come forward. I remind everybody we're talking about children at 495 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 12: the time, sex trafficking rings and all this of miners. 496 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 12: Why is this such an issue? Why are they allowed 497 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 12: to get away with this? 498 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: Well, of course, in the midst of all the accurate analysis, 499 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: you've got bizarre conspiracy theories emerging. 500 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 3: Listen. 501 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 18: They don't want to release the Epstein files because Epstein 502 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 18: is not dead. You could not pay me enough money 503 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 18: to believe that that man was dead. He was too 504 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 18: valuable to the whole system. So instead of him riding 505 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 18: in prison, they faked his death and got him out 506 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 18: so he could continue to run everything that he was running. 507 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 18: There was no way, absolutely no way that the bigger 508 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 18: powers that be, you know, the leaders of other countries, 509 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 18: we're gonna let him die. 510 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: He's part too valuable. 511 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 18: So someone has him in another location and he's still 512 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 18: running this whole thing. That's what they don't want to 513 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 18: come out. Obviously, the pedo and you know that kind 514 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 18: of stuff is just the tip of it. 515 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 3: He's not dead. 516 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 18: That's what they don't want out. 517 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: Got's making my head hurt. 518 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: At Karma is a cat seventeen seventeen on TikTok Epstein's 519 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: did okay, So let's just start from there, okay, And 520 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 2: of course conspiracy cover up theories. 521 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 19: They're not this dumb Trump, Bongino, Cashpitel Panbandi. They're not 522 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 19: this dumb. You don't get into those positions of power 523 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 19: by being stupid. And I say this because it's just 524 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 19: not sitting right with me. The film that they released 525 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 19: obviously edited, proven that it was edited, missing a minute 526 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 19: of time. The whole cover up here is glaringly obviously 527 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 19: a cover up, and they're definitely lying. But I don't 528 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 19: know why they're lying. What's the angle. 529 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 3: That is from at Brian WiFi? 530 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 2: Why on TikTok to Sidney Sumner joining US investigative reporter 531 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: Crime Stories. 532 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 3: At first he sounds a little crazy, but what he's 533 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 3: saying is not crazy. 534 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 2: There was time there was a portion of the jail video. 535 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: I'd like to see it as we're talking about it, 536 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: the jail video the night Epstein was killed behind bars 537 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: that was missing. 538 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 3: He's actually right, he is. 539 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 20: And they had to eat their words. 540 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 21: And re release that video with the missing minute two 541 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 21: months later, and all of this coming out with that statement, 542 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 21: So they were at least the surveillance footage that's obviously 543 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 21: edited with the statement that there's no more documents to see. 544 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 20: Well, what did those five thousand hours of reaction go into, 545 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 20: because it's not possibly the two hundred and twenty pages 546 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 20: they reviewed and released back in March. 547 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: And of course there's a never any stream of theories. Now, 548 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: I've got to say, Brian, why felt why was dead 549 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 2: on me? 550 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 3: Listen to this. 551 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 22: New polls are coming out that are showing nearly seventy 552 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 22: percent of Americans seven out of ten people believe that 553 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 22: the Epstein case is being covered up right now. It's 554 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 22: no longer a conspiracy theory anymore. It's a vast majority 555 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 22: of Americans saying, I don't trust what the government is 556 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 22: telling me right now. But can you really blame us though? 557 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 22: I mean Epstein died under the most questionable circumstances possible. 558 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 22: I mean the guards were asleep, there's no surveillance footage, 559 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 22: and the client list is still sealed. The fact that 560 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 22: Republicans and Democrats are uniting on this issue should absolutely 561 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 22: tear the elites. 562 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 2: Actually he's not crazy either, that's at Devin Politics on Tiktoki. 563 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 564 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 2: To Andrea Lewis joining US partner Circe Law Firm Palm Beach, 565 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 2: where the whole thing started when Epstein was convicted but 566 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 2: got a baby sentence for it. 567 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 3: Andrea, I recall a big drug case. 568 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 2: Well, it was a triple homicide that was connected to 569 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 2: a drug case. A triple homicide, it was very difficult 570 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: to prove, very difficult. Near the end of the case, 571 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 2: I found out the FEDS had surveillance that they would 572 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: not give me because it was part of a bigger 573 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: drug scenario. I'm talking about a drug lord from Columbia 574 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 2: was part of this. It was so much bigger than 575 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: my triple homicide case, and I really wrestled with that. 576 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, Andrea, all I could 577 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: do was what I could do. I prosecuted the three 578 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 2: murders and got convictions. And here all of this vast network, 579 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: this worldwide scheme, the politics, the Oval Office, the Democrats, 580 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 2: the Republicans. 581 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 3: I know one thing. These men need to be prosecuted, 582 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 3: and I want their names. That's what I know is true. Nancy. 583 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 5: We need that information, and I think it's important for 584 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 5: each one of us to keep our eye on the 585 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 5: ball and to continue to demand it so that we 586 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 5: can get justice for these survivors. And what has been 587 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 5: constantly talked about in the media, and you've done an 588 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 5: excellent job of highlighting it and keeping it in the headlines, 589 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 5: is what is the cost of the secrecy that the 590 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 5: government is continuing to insist upon. Well, it's this lack 591 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 5: of transparency causes it distrust within the public, It causes 592 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 5: conspiracy theories. It allows the people who are enablers and 593 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 5: predators to have time to cover their tracks. Meanwhile, anybody 594 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 5: in these powerful positions have to do is say enough 595 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 5: is enough, release the names, release the information the public 596 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 5: deserves to know. 597 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 3: And that is not happening. 598 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: Will we finally get the documents necessary to create that 599 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 2: client list? 600 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 3: The judges should release those documents. 601 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 2: Depositions, filings, nations, subpoenas, efidavits. 602 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 3: This is what the public wants to see. 603 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 2: We're talking about serious investigative materials that then function as evidence. 604 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 2: Rob Shooter or Congress is calling on Andrew Windsor aka 605 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 2: Prince Andrew, to fly over at our expense to testify 606 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 2: about what he knows regarding Epstein. 607 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 4: Listen a congressional letter invites Windsor to testify about Epstein's crime. 608 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 4: It appears Windsor has no desire to clear his name, 609 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 4: refusing to comment on Epstein's financial records containing notations such 610 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 4: as massage for Andrew. 611 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 16: As Windsor remained silent amid a renewed push for the 612 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 16: former royal to come clean. Victim's now calling for the 613 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 16: rest of his family to answer for him. Marina Leserda 614 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 16: says it's time for Sarah Ferguson and Princess's Beatrice and 615 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 16: Eugenie to come forward. Andrew publicly used his daughters as 616 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,280 Speaker 16: an alibi. 617 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 4: The more documents are released, the more trouble. Windsor could face, 618 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 4: stripped of all titles, told to vacate the Royal Lodge, 619 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 4: and under threat of private prosecution. Jail time could be 620 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 4: a real possibility. Experts believe there is more documentation of 621 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 4: Windsor's crimes with Epstein, there's a real danger those records 622 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 4: will still not see the light of day. 623 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 2: Why is he being treated differently than everyone else. He's 624 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 2: refusing to come and speak to Congress. 625 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 3: Why because he's got a lot to hide? 626 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 10: Rob Shooter, Yeah, absolutely right. Nancy Andrew's looking do this. 627 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 10: He's made it very clear he's not going to voluntarily 628 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 10: do this. So now it's time for us to make 629 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 10: him do it. It's time for King Charles, it's time 630 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 10: for the Royal family. It's time for the British government 631 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 10: to absolutely hand him over. He's not going to go willingly. 632 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 10: We've got to hand him over. And until we stand 633 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 10: up and do that, he's going to continue to hide, 634 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 10: to get away, to slink in the shadows. And so 635 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 10: I think it's time now, Nancy, that Britain has to 636 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 10: step up. The Palace has to step up, his children 637 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 10: has to step up and say here he is, we 638 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 10: have to hand him over. 639 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 2: We know that Prince Andrew is now trying to reunite 640 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 2: with his ex wife, Sarah Ferguson, who has lived with 641 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 2: him throughout the years. I don't think they're both going 642 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 2: to fit into his new abode. However, we have arrangements 643 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 2: for both of them. They're called the Big House and 644 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 2: the Big Dollhouse. They can live separately for a while. 645 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 2: More people are ending up as casualties to Epstein. That 646 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 2: would be Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie. They are going to 647 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 2: have their title stripped. It's seemingly only a matter of time. 648 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 2: They are now turning down invitations from the royal family. 649 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 2: They're torn between standing by their dad. So far they've 650 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 2: remained unscathed. What is in their future as a result 651 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 2: of all this. 652 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 10: Their future Nancy is in the hands of their very 653 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 10: shady father. If Andrew can't do this for himself, and 654 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 10: he clearly can't, and he can't do it for the victims, 655 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 10: which is who he should really be doing it for, 656 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 10: do it for your kids. The only way these two 657 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 10: princesses have a future in Britain, have a future in 658 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 10: society is if their dad does the right thing. Now, 659 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 10: we should point out historically this is a man who 660 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 10: has always done the wrong thing. So I'm not holding 661 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 10: my breath here and I fear that the children will 662 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 10: be punished, although I should say here they have had 663 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 10: an extraordinary life because of their father, and so when 664 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 10: we say they did nothing wrong, maybe, but the life 665 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 10: they live is because of their privilege. Should that continue 666 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 10: now that we know the truth about their dad. That's 667 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 10: a debate that people are having. I don't want to 668 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 10: punish children for their parents' crimes, but they're part of this. 669 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 2: They're part of this story, so they're casualties. Sarah Ferguson 670 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 2: Grifter is a casualty. But now Fergie and Andrew are 671 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 2: launching a rebrand, what is that? 672 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 10: It is complete stupidity. It is a couple that thinks 673 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 10: they have a future and all that they have that's 674 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 10: a problem, is a pr problem, and it's not. This 675 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 10: is much much deeper. This is unfixable as long as 676 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 10: Andrew does not come forward and tell the truth. And 677 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 10: if he does tell the truth, we know what that truth. 678 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 10: So that is not flexible here. Any attempt to rebrand 679 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 10: themselves to have a new image, as if they're putting 680 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 10: out a new pop album, as if they're Taylor Swift 681 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 10: of Madonna will not work. This story is going to 682 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 10: stick to them for the rest of their lives and 683 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 10: potentially their children too well. 684 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 2: One more issue regarding them is I don't believe without 685 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 2: Virginia Giffrey alive any longer to testify it against Andrew. 686 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 3: That may be a dead end, But what about the. 687 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 2: Possibility Robshooter that Andrew can be prosecuted for misuse of 688 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 2: his position and misuse of the met The Metropolitan Police 689 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 2: and or Scotland yard. 690 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think both are very very much a serious 691 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 10: issue for him. If he indeed encouraged demanded his security 692 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 10: to dig up dirt on victims, that's a very serious crime. 693 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 10: Plus we've got to remember too, Andrew's finances are very dodgy. 694 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 10: Nobody really knows where his money comes from. The Royal 695 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 10: family do not like to talk about money. They don't 696 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 10: pay taxes on all their income. There's lots of loopholes here. 697 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 10: Andrew has opened up a kettle of fish now for 698 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 10: all the Royals because now people are wondering, how is 699 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 10: he paying, what is he doing for a living, how 700 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 10: does he have all this money? And so the investigations 701 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 10: into Andrew are just beginning. That they're far from over. 702 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 8: And I do not remember anything. I can't have racked 703 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 8: my brain, that's me. But whether that's my hand or 704 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 8: whether that's the position, but I don't. I have simply 705 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 8: no recollection of a photograph ever being. 706 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 2: Taken from our friends at BBC. We still believe in justice. 707 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 2: We still believe, even if it is naively so, that 708 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 2: there will be a vernic that speaks to the truth 709 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 2: if we don't give up. If you know or think 710 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 2: you know anything that could help this case. Called the 711 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 2: National Human Trafficking tip Line eight eight three seven three 712 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 2: an eight eight eight repeat eight eight eight three seven 713 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 2: three seven eight eight eight. We remember an American Hero, 714 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 2: Detective Timothy Jones Park Forest PD, Illinois, shot in the 715 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 2: line of duty, leaving behind grieving parents. 716 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 3: Had only been on the force less than a year. 717 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 2: American Hero detected Timothy Jokes. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.