WEBVTT - 'Cazique' Gregor MacGregor, the Man Who Fabricated a Country

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with iHeartRadio. Poiz the picture of paradise. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>magical place. The water was quote so pure it could

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<v Speaker 1>quench any thirst, and as if that weren't enough, chunks

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<v Speaker 1>of gold lined the river beds. The trees were ripe

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<v Speaker 1>with fruit, and the soil was so fertile that a

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<v Speaker 1>farmer could have three maize harvests a year, or grow

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<v Speaker 1>cash crops such as sugar or tobacco without hardship. This,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Scottish swindler Gregor McGregor, could all be yours

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<v Speaker 1>if you considered investing in his property located in present

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<v Speaker 1>day Honduras. He knew about Poiez, you see, because he

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<v Speaker 1>was he claimed the Kazique of the nation, a figure

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<v Speaker 1>similar to a native chief in other Spanish speaking nations nearby,

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<v Speaker 1>and for what it's Earth similarly spelled as well. In

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<v Speaker 1>the early eighteen twenties, Gregor ran one of history's most

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<v Speaker 1>successful and imaginative cons He invented his own country and

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<v Speaker 1>then conned investors into buying the bonds of a country

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<v Speaker 1>that did not exist. Welcome to Criminalia, I'm ranch marquis

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a holy fry. What Poyez lacked, McGregor stated,

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<v Speaker 1>were willing investors and settlers to develop it and leverage

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<v Speaker 1>its resources to their fullest. British investments in South America,

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<v Speaker 1>which by the way, at this point was this catch

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<v Speaker 1>all term for what is now Latin America, everything that

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<v Speaker 1>was not the United States, essentially South, these investments were

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<v Speaker 1>gaining in popularity. Several countries that had gained independence from

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<v Speaker 1>Spain were looking for help financing their nascent governments. Chile

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<v Speaker 1>and Columbia, for instance, sold bonds totaling roughly between one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million and two hundred million dollars that's in today's

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<v Speaker 1>money values, promising six percent in annual returns through the

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<v Speaker 1>profits from state m agriculture, and mineral industries. Without any

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<v Speaker 1>current means of revenue such as a mineral industry. Gregor

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<v Speaker 1>assured potential investors that funding would come from the country's

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<v Speaker 1>future inhabitants, and he recruited hard. He published interviews about

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<v Speaker 1>Poiz in national newspapers and magazines, advertising the perks that

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<v Speaker 1>would come from investing in or colonizing his land. He

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<v Speaker 1>engaged publicists to write marketing materials, advertisements and brochures, and

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<v Speaker 1>you heard some of their work in our opening segment.

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<v Speaker 1>While he engaged British investors for cash, he targeted his

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<v Speaker 1>fellow Scots for would be colonists and wrote that quote

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<v Speaker 1>the Scottish Highlanders were known for their heartiness and adventurous spirit,

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<v Speaker 1>and he argued that Poiz would be the quote ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>testing ground, a challenge and gift all in one for

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<v Speaker 1>an adventurer. Poyers, the term Gregor used for those indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>to the land, were described by him as friendly and

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<v Speaker 1>hard working people, and he referred to them as quote

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<v Speaker 1>complimentary labor for the settlers. Now note that these people

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<v Speaker 1>were real people who were not part of his imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>They were not called Poyers, and they were most certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not complimentary labor in reality. And indigenous population known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Misquito, were native to the area, and they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>really part of Gregor's plan. The capital of Poyaz a

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<v Speaker 1>town named Saint Joseph. Gregor described as a European style

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<v Speaker 1>settlement that was so sophisticated it even had an opera house.

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<v Speaker 1>Marketing materials claimed that the land was quote one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most healthy and beautiful spots in the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>to bring it all together, he had Poyaz ballads composed

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<v Speaker 1>and sung along the streets of London, Edinburgh and Glasgow.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get too far into this con let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about who this guy, Gregor McGregor was. Gregor was

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<v Speaker 1>a native of Glengale, Scotland, born on December twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen eighty six and raised in a privileged Scottish family.

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<v Speaker 1>He attended top schools. At sixteen, his family purchased him

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<v Speaker 1>a commission in the British Army and he was very

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<v Speaker 1>briefly deployed in the Peninsular War. Mostly His military accounts

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<v Speaker 1>of being in the British Army, though, include a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of waiting. Around. Around this time too, he married a

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Maria Bootter, the daughter of a Navy admiral

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<v Speaker 1>whose family was among Britain's finest. The newly went settled

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<v Speaker 1>in Edinburgh, and Gregor immediately began using his new wife's

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<v Speaker 1>wealth and privilege to fast track his way through the

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<v Speaker 1>ranks of the army. He paid nine hundred pounds to

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<v Speaker 1>become a captain. Without that payoff, that promotion would have

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise taken him several years to accomplish. He and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife often toured the city fashionably dressed in their extravagant coach,

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<v Speaker 1>and Gregor continued to focus on bettering his social status.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen eleven, the couple moved to London, where he

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<v Speaker 1>began calling himself Sir Gregor McGregor, with the bart designation

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<v Speaker 1>after it, so he could falsely identify himself as a baronet,

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<v Speaker 1>and added false claims of dukes and barons in his

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<v Speaker 1>family tream. But the thing was, he was starting to

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<v Speaker 1>receive the level of respectability that he desired among London's

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<v Speaker 1>high society. He routed it from any high society relief.

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<v Speaker 1>But then in December of that year, Maria passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>and upon her death Gregor lost the financial support of

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<v Speaker 1>her well healed family. His only real experience other than

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<v Speaker 1>spending his in law's money was as an officer in

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<v Speaker 1>the military, so after his wife's death, he turned his

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<v Speaker 1>interest back to battle, this time though in the colonial

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<v Speaker 1>revolts against Spanish rule in South America, particularly fighting in

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<v Speaker 1>and around Venezuela. Britain supported the independence of the South

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<v Speaker 1>American colonies from Spain, knowing it would destabilize Spanish power

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<v Speaker 1>and Venezuelan revolutionary general Francisco de Miranda had been celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>during a recent visit to London. It was on the

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<v Speaker 1>heels of those circumstances when McGregor imagined a new exotic

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<v Speaker 1>adventure for himself. Cut off from his former in laws

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<v Speaker 1>in spirit and in finances, he sold the Scottish estate

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<v Speaker 1>he'd inherited and sailed for Venezuela via Jamaica in early

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twelve. His plan was to offer himself as a fighter,

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<v Speaker 1>a mercenary in the Venezuelan War of Independence against Spain,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did. Upon arrival, he introduced himself as Sir

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<v Speaker 1>Gregor McGregor, a former British Army officer. He was given

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<v Speaker 1>the rank of colonel and given command of a cavalry battalion,

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<v Speaker 1>a command he held between the years eighteen twelve and

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixteen. The same year he arrived in Venezuela, Gregor

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<v Speaker 1>married again and again to a wealthy family. His bride,

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<v Speaker 1>Donia Josepha Antonia Andrea Aristagietta Ilovea, was the daughter of

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<v Speaker 1>a prominent Caracas family, and she was a cousin of

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<v Speaker 1>the revolutionary Venezuelan military and political leader Simon Bolivard. Gregor

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<v Speaker 1>quickly rose to the rank of General General of Division

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<v Speaker 1>in the Army of Venezuela under Bolivard and led a

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<v Speaker 1>series of independent military campaigns in the Caribbean. One of

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<v Speaker 1>his most notorious actions came in eighteen seventeen, when he

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<v Speaker 1>raised a small army and briefly captured Florida's Amelia Island

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<v Speaker 1>from the Spanish. He proclaimed it to be, albeit very

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<v Speaker 1>short lived, the Republic of the Florida's In eighteen nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he oversaw two operations in New Grenada, now part of Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 1>each one its own calamity. It was there where he

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<v Speaker 1>made a name for himself, not as a revolutionary or

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<v Speaker 1>a legendary fighter. Rather, he made a name as a

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<v Speaker 1>coward when he not once but twice abandoned his troops,

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<v Speaker 1>leaving them to be killed in battle or executed while

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<v Speaker 1>he fled to safety. In eighteen twenty, Michael Rafter, the

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<v Speaker 1>brother of William Rafter, who was one of the soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>who served under McGregor's command in Venezuela, published a tell

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<v Speaker 1>all book that told all of the details of McGregor's

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<v Speaker 1>military ineptitude. Basically, if you wanted to write a book

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<v Speaker 1>that would make McGregor look like a bad leader, this

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<v Speaker 1>book did just that, stated Michael quote that any person

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<v Speaker 1>could be induced again to join him in his desperate

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<v Speaker 1>projects would be to conceive a degree of madness and folly,

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<v Speaker 1>of which human nature, however fallen, is incapable. Despite his

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<v Speaker 1>rapid climb in ranks in the Venezuelan Army, there is

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<v Speaker 1>no record that McGregor was a particularly good military leader,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's plenty on record that he was good at deception.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to take a break for a word from our sponsor,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we return, we'll talk about how he scammed

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<v Speaker 1>enough people to fill multiple ships with potential Poiez settlers.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Criminalia. Okay, let's talk land. In talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the imaginary country of Poiez, it's really easy to

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<v Speaker 1>forget that there was real land involved here. So where

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<v Speaker 1>and when and how did McGregor come upon the land

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<v Speaker 1>he called Poiez. Some sources suggest he purchased acreage from

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<v Speaker 1>the Mosquito or from other unnamed interested parties. There's not

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of detail in those accounts. Most accounts, though,

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<v Speaker 1>explain how he came to find Poiez as so while

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<v Speaker 1>fighting in Venezuela, Gregor did a man named George Augustus,

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<v Speaker 1>who also happened to be known as George Frederick Augustus,

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<v Speaker 1>the first king of the Mosqatoo people. The king gifted

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<v Speaker 1>to Gregor acre upon acre of land and his Mosquito

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<v Speaker 1>Coast territory. According to most reports, the Moskatoo people knew

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<v Speaker 1>the land was crap. It was very pretty, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was inhospitable. Gregor officially looked on as King. George Frederick Augustus,

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<v Speaker 1>the first of the Mosquito Coast, at Cape Gracia Sadios,

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<v Speaker 1>in April of eighteen twenty, signed a document granting McGregor

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<v Speaker 1>and his heirs a swath of territory in exchange for

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<v Speaker 1>not money, no, in exchange for rum and jewels. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's a catch here. The land didn't belong to him,

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<v Speaker 1>not really. It fell under the dominion of the British

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<v Speaker 1>aligned Mosquito government. George couldn't give it to him, and

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<v Speaker 1>Gregor didn't own what he got. But on that day

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<v Speaker 1>in April, no one cared, and McGregor named the land

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<v Speaker 1>poiez Upon returned to a civilian life in England in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty one. Gregor continued to build his reputation among

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<v Speaker 1>London's high society based on a lot of fabricated stories,

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<v Speaker 1>stories like he was the head of Plan McGregor or.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also known as His Serene Highness Gregor, the

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<v Speaker 1>first Sovereign Prince of the State of Poiez and its Dependencies,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kazique of the Poyer Nation. Gregor's wife began using

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<v Speaker 1>the self styled title Princess of Poiez to the London elite.

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<v Speaker 1>Poiz sounded just far away enough to be a plausible

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<v Speaker 1>place and one that absolutely needed colonizing. Gregor and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife quickly became honored dinner guests. At one point they

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<v Speaker 1>were in such demand that they were invited to attend

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<v Speaker 1>an official reception at the Guildhall, hosted by the Lord

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor of London. While in London, though McGregor did not slack,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it wasn't all meats and sweets. There, he

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<v Speaker 1>opened for business, and he worked hard to make his

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<v Speaker 1>story credible. He organized a parliament for his invented country,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as a banking system. He reportedly got British

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<v Speaker 1>newspapers to detail bond prices for Poiz as they did

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<v Speaker 1>for real countries, and he even orchestrated the issue of

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<v Speaker 1>a Poiesian government loan on the London Stock Exchange. Gregor

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<v Speaker 1>could produce documents very convincing documents about Poys, including a

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<v Speaker 1>handwritten land grant, an illustration of its national flag which

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<v Speaker 1>featured two unicorns, charts and maps showing the country's borders,

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<v Speaker 1>and a copy of the proclamation he had made to

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<v Speaker 1>those native to the region before he left for Europe.

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<v Speaker 1>These faked documents worked particularly well on getting investors to invest.

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<v Speaker 1>Gregor began selling land titles to Britain's who were hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to find fortune in a new colony, while he pedaled

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<v Speaker 1>bonds to the wealthy across the salons of London. As

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned earlier, he sought and found his potential settlers

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<v Speaker 1>in Scotland, where he sold land at a shilling and

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<v Speaker 1>acre to interested parties, although as excitement about Poyez spread,

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<v Speaker 1>he increased the price of land from one shilling per

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<v Speaker 1>acre to four shillings per acre. By autumn, investors had

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<v Speaker 1>claimed two hundred thousand pounds worth of bonds at a

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<v Speaker 1>six percent rate of return. That is not adjusted for

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<v Speaker 1>today's equivalent, but if we tried to, it'd be more

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<v Speaker 1>than two million pounds. In addition to land for sale,

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<v Speaker 1>Gregor had jobs also for sale. For instance, a cobbler

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<v Speaker 1>from Edinburgh bought himself the title of Official Shoemaker of Poiez.

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<v Speaker 1>Commissions in the Poyez military were also for sale for

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<v Speaker 1>those who were among the wealthier settlers. Others were lured

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<v Speaker 1>with good jobs, such as bankers, merchants and government employees.

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<v Speaker 1>What they all had in common was that most of

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<v Speaker 1>them had invested their life savings into this venture. Some

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<v Speaker 1>had converted all of their cash into Poia's currency, which

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<v Speaker 1>McGregor had started printing in Scotland from eighteen twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>to eighteen thirty seven. McGregor attempted to draw British and French,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're going to get to that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Investors and settlers to his imaginary little corner of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>The economist noted that McGregor quote had some very dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>personality traits. He was a dreamer, convinced that he was

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<v Speaker 1>descended from an Inca princess. This made his plan to

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<v Speaker 1>lead a country feel quite normal, even a birthright. He

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<v Speaker 1>was narcissistic, He was grand use, and he was fond

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<v Speaker 1>of bestowing grand titles, medals, and other decorations on himself.

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<v Speaker 1>His biographer David Sinclair, in the book The Land That

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<v Speaker 1>Never Was, describes McGregor as a man who quote never

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<v Speaker 1>led a good idea with her away because of a

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<v Speaker 1>few technical difficulties. Because this was white a con Let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a look at Gregor's skill in con artistry techniques.

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<v Speaker 1>He used reciprocity, which basically means he convinced people that

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<v Speaker 1>if they invested with him, he would give them in

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<v Speaker 1>return the opportunity of a lifetime. He also used a

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<v Speaker 1>technique that experts call social validation. In this instance, he's

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<v Speaker 1>selling his victims on the fact that we're paraphrasing him here,

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<v Speaker 1>they will be the most Scottish of Scottish and the

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<v Speaker 1>most respected among Scottish. He also used scarcity, a technique

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<v Speaker 1>that often sounds like act now before you miss out

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<v Speaker 1>on this great deal. No one wants to miss out

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<v Speaker 1>on the deal of a lifetime. And if you, the victim,

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<v Speaker 1>don't secure your land, someone else is going to get

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<v Speaker 1>it first, and then there goes your chance at greatness.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, he brought in an authority, a captain Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Strange Ways, who should be trusted because well just trust him. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about Thomas in just a minute. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 1>writing for the BBC, author Maria Kannakova has discussed McGregor's

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<v Speaker 1>use of two specific techniques common among Khan artists, and

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<v Speaker 1>describes them as so the first, make whatever your selling

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<v Speaker 1>look really appealing. So for McGregor that meant selling palm

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<v Speaker 1>trees and white sandy beaches to people living among the damp,

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<v Speaker 1>heather covered moors of Scotland. The second overcome any resistance

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<v Speaker 1>by taking action. According to Khnakova quote, McGregor published interviews

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<v Speaker 1>in national papers, for instance, touting the perks that would

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<v Speaker 1>come from investing or settling in Poyez. He highlighted the

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<v Speaker 1>bravery and fortitude that such a gesture would demonstrate you

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<v Speaker 1>would be a real man. Potential investors with lingering doubts

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<v Speaker 1>were pointed in the direction of a three hundred plus

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<v Speaker 1>page guidebook called Sketch of the Mosquito Shore, which told

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<v Speaker 1>the story of English settlers establishing the of Saint Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>and prospering on the territory of Poiez in the seventeen thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>Its author concluded the new country would quote rapidly advance

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<v Speaker 1>and prosperity and civilization. It was written by Captain Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Strange Ways, who was described as quote Captain first Poyer

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<v Speaker 1>Regiment and aide de camp to his Highness Gregor Kazik

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<v Speaker 1>of Poiz. But there was no Captain strange Ways. He

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<v Speaker 1>was actually just Gregor using a pseudonym. He contacted everyone

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<v Speaker 1>he could think of in London who had the means

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<v Speaker 1>to invest in the phony Poyez territory. In June of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty one, Gregor penna note to a mister Nathan

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<v Speaker 1>Mayer Rothschild. And before we read this letter, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see that it has some problematic language dating from

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<v Speaker 1>its time period. But you're also going to see Gregory

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<v Speaker 1>using some very classic fraudster tricks like the ones we

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<v Speaker 1>just discussed, including appealing to known interests of his target

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<v Speaker 1>while remaining deliberately vague about the details of his request.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote from Gregor McGregor of Poyez to N. M. Rothschild Esquire,

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<v Speaker 1>written from Donnahee, Ireland. I have the honor to equate

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<v Speaker 1>you that I arrived here with my family from South

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<v Speaker 1>America about three weeks ago, my letter book being on

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<v Speaker 1>board of another vessel with my papers, I am unable

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<v Speaker 1>to refer to the date of my letter to you

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<v Speaker 1>from Santa Martha enclosing the little deed for the grant

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<v Speaker 1>of land upon the Zacossilian River in the territory of Poiz,

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<v Speaker 1>the proposed situation of the projected Hebrew colony. I shall

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<v Speaker 1>not at present enter into any details upon this subject

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<v Speaker 1>until I learn from yourself you approve of the plan.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, I propose, from procuring in Germany and Poland,

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<v Speaker 1>some twenty or thirty industrious agricultural Hebrew families to send

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<v Speaker 1>out to Poiz, supplying them in the same time with

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<v Speaker 1>provisions and everything else they may want. For the first

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<v Speaker 1>twelve months. It is proper to observe that the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Poiez is disposed to remain perfectly neutral during the

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<v Speaker 1>existing contest between Spain and her colonies. I propose making

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<v Speaker 1>the harbor of port royal of Freeport, which will immediately

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<v Speaker 1>give it a considerable trade, as there is no port

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<v Speaker 1>to Leeward of Jamaica for reception of American produce. So Rothschild,

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<v Speaker 1>The recipient of this letter was a top tier financier,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is no evidence he ever invested in, or promoted,

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<v Speaker 1>or was even interested in McGregor's scam. But that can't

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<v Speaker 1>be said for hundreds of others who did probably get

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<v Speaker 1>missives like this and invested their savings in fake Poiesian

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<v Speaker 1>government bonds and land certificates. Altogether, Gregor sold enough land

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<v Speaker 1>to fill multiple ships with settlers, and every scent that

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<v Speaker 1>people put into Poiez lined his pockets. We are going

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<v Speaker 1>to take a break for a word from our spots

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<v Speaker 1>are right now, and when we return, we will talk

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<v Speaker 1>about when Gregor decided to take the Kazika Poiez scam

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<v Speaker 1>to France. Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>destiny of the vessels chartered to take settlers to their

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<v Speaker 1>new home in Poyez and the destiny of the settlers themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Through his legation of Poyez, Gregor chartered vessels to take

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<v Speaker 1>settlers to their new colony. But let's back up just

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<v Speaker 1>a quick minute though, because con games are typically financially

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<v Speaker 1>ruinous for the victim, but they don't usually play at

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<v Speaker 1>a level like this one did, where deaths are involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Gregor McGregor's swindle led to the deaths of nearly two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred people. If you want to know why he would

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<v Speaker 1>take his scam as far as actually moving real people

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<v Speaker 1>to a place that he knew was not a place

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<v Speaker 1>they could live, we want to know that too, But

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<v Speaker 1>experts in such matters only have speculation for assault. After

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<v Speaker 1>his death, some have theorized that perhaps he came to

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<v Speaker 1>believe the fabrications of his cons as real. Another theory

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<v Speaker 1>out there is that he saw his colonists as pawns

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<v Speaker 1>and not as people. But we just don't and we

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<v Speaker 1>just can't know. So those ships, there were fourign total

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<v Speaker 1>that Gregor readied four poiz On September tenth, eighteen twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>a ship called the Hondura's Packet was the first vessel

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<v Speaker 1>to depart, and it sailed from London carrying seventy settlers

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<v Speaker 1>on board. Among those passengers included doctors, lawyers, and one banker.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a few months later, on January twenty second, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, the Kennersley Castle left Leith Harbor in Scotland,

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<v Speaker 1>carrying almost two hundred settlers. According to some passenger reports,

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<v Speaker 1>McGregor greeted the passengers aboard the Kennersley Castle and allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>gave free passage to the women and children making the voyage.

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<v Speaker 1>A passenger named James Hasty, who was moving to Poiez

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<v Speaker 1>with his wife and two children, recalled at his memoir quote,

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<v Speaker 1>we gave him a salute of six guns and three cheers.

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<v Speaker 1>Little did we anticipate the misfortunes which were afterwards to

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<v Speaker 1>befallow us. The third ship, the Albion, never made it

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<v Speaker 1>to Poiz. It diverted to Belize upon discovering that the

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<v Speaker 1>settlers from the first two ships had abandoned their encampment.

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<v Speaker 1>The Skein, the fourth ship, was loaded with arms and supplies,

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<v Speaker 1>and it also diverted to Belize for the same reason.

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<v Speaker 1>The Honduras Packet and the Kennersley Castle made it directly

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<v Speaker 1>to Poiz Two months after sailing across the Atlantic Ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>Passengers gathered on the deck of the Kennersley Castle for

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<v Speaker 1>their first view of their new home, and it appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be immaculate. The sun was glistening in the shallow

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<v Speaker 1>blue waters. Mahogany trees drooped themselves over sandy beaches, wrote

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<v Speaker 1>Hasty quote, it had a very beautiful appearance from the sea.

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<v Speaker 1>As had many of his fellow passengers, Hasty had signed

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<v Speaker 1>a contract with the Poisian government to work as a laborer.

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<v Speaker 1>Other passengers had cashed in their belongings in Europe for

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to establish themselves as wealthy colonists in the

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<v Speaker 1>Caribbean Sea. But as Hasty and his fellow colonists very

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<v Speaker 1>quickly discovered, Poiz was not a paradise. Imagine the overwhelming

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<v Speaker 1>disappointment that must have hit them when they saw the

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<v Speaker 1>reality that was their new home. They were expecting Eden,

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<v Speaker 1>but this promised land was a waste land. It was desolate.

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<v Speaker 1>It was nearly impossible, maybe totally impossible, to cultivate. There

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<v Speaker 1>were no roads or ports or infrastructure. There was no town,

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<v Speaker 1>There were no development. Where was Saint Joseph's Where were

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<v Speaker 1>the promised banks and schools and the opera house. The

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<v Speaker 1>land's actual name, they learned, wasn't even Poiz, but rather

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<v Speaker 1>they had been brought to the Mosquito Coast territory. At first,

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<v Speaker 1>the colonists assumed that they had perhaps been accidentally brought

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<v Speaker 1>to the wrong location, but no remaining passengers from the

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<v Speaker 1>Honduras packet were seen surviving in makeshift huts. Instead of

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<v Speaker 1>what Gregor had promised, they found only dense, insect infested jungle.

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<v Speaker 1>They also discovered that the land titles that were sold

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<v Speaker 1>to them by Gregor were completely fraudulent. Remember that part

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about earlier, about how the land was under

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<v Speaker 1>the dominion of the British aligned Mosquito government when it

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<v Speaker 1>was gifted by the king to Gregor. Yeah, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>little problem. Gregor did not have permission to sell this land,

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<v Speaker 1>and that meant that those colonists were actually there illegally.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the settlers survived for a short time on

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<v Speaker 1>the provisions that were remaining on the ships, but when

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<v Speaker 1>rainy season brought with it even more insects, they knew

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<v Speaker 1>they were in serious trouble. Yellow fever, malaria, and other

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<v Speaker 1>tropical diseases really destroyed the community. Colonist Hasty shared quote,

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<v Speaker 1>sickness and despondency was so general that few were able

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<v Speaker 1>or willing to make any exertion. Roughly two thirds of

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<v Speaker 1>the original colonists died before help came. That finally arrived

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<v Speaker 1>in May of eighteen twenty three, when a British ship

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<v Speaker 1>arrived from a nearby colony in Belize. By the end

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<v Speaker 1>of August eighteen twenty three, newspapers across Britain began to

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<v Speaker 1>publish reports that Poiez may not be what everyone had thought,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the ballby Paradise looked like it was actually

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<v Speaker 1>an investment scam. Though some survivors resettled in local, more

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<v Speaker 1>livable areas, most were returned to England by the Royal Navy.

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<v Speaker 1>Hasty and his wife's survived that their children did not

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<v Speaker 1>of the settlers, reported one Scottish newspaper quote, they had

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<v Speaker 1>evidently undergone extreme suffering and illness, as their appearance was

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<v Speaker 1>ghastly and cadaverous. When the survivors of the Poyaz Khan

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<v Speaker 1>returned to Britain, though they didn't blame the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>had swindled them. In fact, when passengers from the Kennersley

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<v Speaker 1>Castle read news coverage about Poias, they became angered about

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<v Speaker 1>the story that was being told. They reportedly marched into

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<v Speaker 1>Mansion House, a seat of the London government, and signed

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<v Speaker 1>an affidavit stating they believed Gregor McGregor had done nothing

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and had in no way deceived them. They believed,

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<v Speaker 1>according to their document, that he too was a victim.

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<v Speaker 1>McGregor and his wife left London in October of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, saying that they planned to winter in Italy

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<v Speaker 1>for Josepha's health. Their actual destination was Paris, where Gregor

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<v Speaker 1>intended to continue running his fake country. He immediately got

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<v Speaker 1>back to work on the Kazique of Poyez scam. He

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<v Speaker 1>published a new constitution and he secured a new bank

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<v Speaker 1>loan as his initial investment had evaporated, and just as before,

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<v Speaker 1>he began recruiting investors and settlers. But when the French

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<v Speaker 1>government saw a flood of applications requesting travel to a

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<v Speaker 1>country that no one in the government had ever heard of,

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<v Speaker 1>a commission was formed to look into it. Gregor's fictional

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<v Speaker 1>country did not pass scrutiny, and he was arrested. He

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<v Speaker 1>was tried for fraud and conspiracy, but was acquitted due

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<v Speaker 1>to lack of evidence. McGregor continued using his Poiez swindle

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<v Speaker 1>and continued getting away with it for years. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven, so four years after he sent those people

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<v Speaker 1>on ships to nowhere, he resurfaced in London issued a

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<v Speaker 1>new bond and started selling bogus Poyez land certificates again.

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<v Speaker 1>This time he was arrested, but he was not jailed.

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<v Speaker 1>After a brief return to Edinburgh, he fled once more,

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<v Speaker 1>pursued not by authorities but by the wrath of the

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<v Speaker 1>original Poyas surviving bondholders see in the middle of Gregor's Khan.

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<v Speaker 1>South American bonds faltered. Countries were spending their money financing

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<v Speaker 1>military conflicts rather than paying back their debts, and Poia's

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>investors grew skeptical of their promised financial return. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>many declined to pay the new installments they owed for

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<v Speaker 1>their bond purchases. The overall big picture here, though, is

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<v Speaker 1>that this wasn't just something that impacted Gregor. This was

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<v Speaker 1>a contributing factor to what became known as the Financial

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<v Speaker 1>Panic of eighteen twenty five. Just two years later, nearly

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<v Speaker 1>every Central and South American bond issued had fallen into default.

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<v Speaker 1>South American countries stabilized and started making interest payments again

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<v Speaker 1>by the eighteen forties, but of course that doesn't include

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<v Speaker 1>Poias since it wasn't a real place. McGregor, though, had

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<v Speaker 1>spent enormous amounts of money on marketing Poyez on voyages

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<v Speaker 1>to the Mosquito coast and on his own extravagant lifestyle

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<v Speaker 1>in general, and if his investors stopped payments, his cash

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<v Speaker 1>flow was cut off. By eighteen twenty eight, McGregor, selling

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<v Speaker 1>certificates entitled the holders to quote land in Poyez proper,

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly found himself with competition. Other con artists had jumped

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<v Speaker 1>into his game, and some had even set up their

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<v Speaker 1>own Poisian offices offering land devonshires in Poyes. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't even bother to make up their own countries.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd just piggy packed off of McGregor's lie. He couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>exactly call him on it. Six years later, in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four, McGregor was living in Edinburgh and he was

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<v Speaker 1>still selling fake land titles. His wife, Josefa, died on

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<v Speaker 1>May fourth, eighteen thirty eight, and that seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>around the same time that Gregor finally abandoned his fake

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<v Speaker 1>country story and left it as that land was. When

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<v Speaker 1>he found it desolate and undeveloped. He returned to Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 1>where he applied for citizenship as well as for restoration

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<v Speaker 1>to his former rank in the Venezuelan Army, including back

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<v Speaker 1>pay and a pension. Simon Bolivar had died years earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen thirty, the Venezuelan State ruled in his favor,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was confirmed as a Venezuelan citizen with a

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<v Speaker 1>military pension for his participation in the country's wars of independence.

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<v Speaker 1>When McGregor died in eighteen forty five, he had never

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<v Speaker 1>been found guilty of a single crime. Not one. Please

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<v Speaker 1>tell me that you named his drink desolate and undeveloped. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought of many names for it. I bet there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of good naming stuff in here. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>curious what comes with our scam sauce this week. I

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<v Speaker 1>almost called it the self delusion. I almost wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>call it ghastly and cadaverous. Yes, good turn of Braith.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I ended up calling it was Poiesian nectar.

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<v Speaker 1>This one is one of those things that is intended

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<v Speaker 1>to be a little bit unexpected, as you'll see by

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<v Speaker 1>one ingredient the sand. Sorry, No, the trick is you

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<v Speaker 1>want to keep it delicious, right right, not crunchy. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought about how funny it would be to make just

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<v Speaker 1>an awful tasting drink, but that's no fun, and that's wasteful.

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<v Speaker 1>Poiesian nectar is pretty easy to throw together, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a version of it you don't have to include the

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<v Speaker 1>ingredient that makes it go and pertinent to our story.

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<v Speaker 1>So it starts with an ounce of rum. You can

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<v Speaker 1>use spiced rum if you want, but if you just

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<v Speaker 1>have regular rum, that's fine, an ounce of vamoretto, four

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<v Speaker 1>ounces of pineapple juice, and just like a splash of

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<v Speaker 1>a gave nectar or a simple syrup. Because basically we're

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<v Speaker 1>making a delicious tropical drink. You can drink it just

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<v Speaker 1>like that if you want. You can throw some club

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<v Speaker 1>sold or ginger ale on top, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>make like more of a long sipper than a tighter cocktail. However,

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<v Speaker 1>what I really wanted to do was take this drink

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<v Speaker 1>that tasted very much like what you would imagine a

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<v Speaker 1>delicious drink in some sort of Caribbean wonderland to taste like,

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<v Speaker 1>and then make it go in a slightly strange direction

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<v Speaker 1>that was still yummy, but you're like, something doesn't fit here,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it still taste good, but this is not a tropical,

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<v Speaker 1>delicious drink. It's just a it's an odd, difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>play drink. So to that list that I just gave you,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna add a half ounce and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be careful. Don't go any farther than that of espresso. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>huh okay. My first reaction to that isn't yuck or

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<v Speaker 1>you or what am I gonna do? No, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not yucky. It's delicious. But if you're expecting a yummy

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<v Speaker 1>pineapple beverage, it becomes something completely different. And you really,

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<v Speaker 1>really really want to give this a very aggressive shake.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes when you're shaking pineapple anyway, it gets a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit bubbly, like it froths up a little bit, and

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<v Speaker 1>you want to get it to that point for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>because that helps. It's so weird. You can't really pluck

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<v Speaker 1>out the taste of espresso in there. So let's go

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<v Speaker 1>through this. So we've got spiced from pineapple juice, amaretto,

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<v Speaker 1>and a little sweetener espresso, as I often do, and

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<v Speaker 1>lately I've been taking a different tack when I test

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<v Speaker 1>things on my beloved because I don't give him any

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<v Speaker 1>clue what's in there. I did mention there's a thing

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<v Speaker 1>in here that you normally would not drink, so he's

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<v Speaker 1>not a coffee drinker. He tasted it and he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't figure out what's in this drink at all,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, great, perfect. I was like, is

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<v Speaker 1>it yucky or is it just strange? He's like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>odd to my palette, But I it's not bad. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I can't figure out what it is, which is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what I wanted standing on the deck of a

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<v Speaker 1>ship and looking at your new home and being confused,

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<v Speaker 1>what the hell is going on over there? This is

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful and tropical weight. Something's hut that is Poisian nectar.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't quite place it, but it's still pretty tasty. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>if you make this version and then put a little

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<v Speaker 1>club soota on top or a little light ginger ale, delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the easy way to make the mocktail in lieu

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<v Speaker 1>of rum. One of the things that people often substitute

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<v Speaker 1>for rum. I've noticed is white grape juice, which is great. Really.

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<v Speaker 1>That seems so strange to me, But I've never tried

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<v Speaker 1>substituting for rum, so what do I know. My thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that if you substitute that, it just ups the

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<v Speaker 1>sweetness so much that like, I feel like it needs

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<v Speaker 1>a cut. So here's what I do instead, and play

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<v Speaker 1>around because you might want something slightly different, or this

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<v Speaker 1>may give you a different idea I would do in

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<v Speaker 1>lieu of the four ounces of I would mix it

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<v Speaker 1>at a four ounce amount. And the reason is you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to need all that save it for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>make multiple drinks. But I find if you go too

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<v Speaker 1>much lower, it's really easy to screw up, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, As you make your proportions smaller, one

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<v Speaker 1>little overpour will really like make it weird. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do two ounces of white grape juice two

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<v Speaker 1>ounces of flat tonic water like we've done before, yea,

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<v Speaker 1>because it gives it a little bit more of that

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<v Speaker 1>bite that alcohol would have, and it undercuts that that

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<v Speaker 1>sweetness of white grape juice. And then you're just going

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<v Speaker 1>to add like a couple drops of vanilla extracts and

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<v Speaker 1>it just makes it a more complex fluid. It has

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<v Speaker 1>a more complex flavor. And that's why when you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>down to adding things in drops, if you have this

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<v Speaker 1>even you would be in it would be difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>pull up off. That's what I would use in lieu

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<v Speaker 1>of your rum, in lieu of the amoretto. And another

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<v Speaker 1>reason that I would say, let's not go a straight

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<v Speaker 1>white grape juice there. I would use an almond syrup,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would use either half the amount or I

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<v Speaker 1>would maybe do like a three quarters and dilute it

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<v Speaker 1>with like water and maybe even a little lemon juice,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the rest of it is the same. You're

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<v Speaker 1>still going to do your four ounces of pineapple juice,

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<v Speaker 1>your splash of You could probably leave the simple syrup

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<v Speaker 1>or gava, and then you're half ounce of espresso. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're scared of the espresso because it does significantly change it,

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<v Speaker 1>you could drop that down to a quarter ounce. Taste

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<v Speaker 1>it see if you like it, and then you can

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<v Speaker 1>always add more if you want. If you add more

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<v Speaker 1>to go too far, just pour some more pineapple juice

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<v Speaker 1>in there. It'll pour it out. I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>just did a lot of fancy footwork explaining that mocktail.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a little bit more complicated to turn this

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<v Speaker 1>one into a mocktail than some of them. Just like

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<v Speaker 1>Gregor McGregor. Yeah, but it is quite a yummy sip.

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<v Speaker 1>It was another one of those cases where often when

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<v Speaker 1>I make them, like, I'll make them in the morning

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<v Speaker 1>the day we're recording, and so I don't drink the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing because I got work to do. But this

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<v Speaker 1>time I realized I had had almost the whole thing done,

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<v Speaker 1>like as I was writing it up, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good drink, A good drink right there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So we hope that if you try Poiasia nectar you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy it. I mostly just want to encourage everybody to experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>But things that you know are maybe a little unusual

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<v Speaker 1>in a drink. The worst that happens is that it's

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<v Speaker 1>bad and you pour it out. This is very little

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<v Speaker 1>shame in that game. Somebody else might like it and

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<v Speaker 1>drink it for you, right you know, you never know.

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<v Speaker 1>We are definitely so thankful that you spend this time

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<v Speaker 1>with us learning about this interesting Scottish scam artists. We

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