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Speaker 1: David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to the Break. This is an exciting day. The
Speaker 1: whole crew is back together. It's in a while. Are
Speaker 1: you happy? Nick? You've been asking for it. I mean
Speaker 1: I wanted to have I think I've been here. Everyone
Speaker 1: has been flipping around. That's all good. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: let's just start off with with some injuries. It's April,
Speaker 1: mid April, and we're still some injuries. Waits. This thing
Speaker 1: is moving. It's did you realize into a little over
Speaker 1: two months, we'll be an oxnark We'll be on that
Speaker 1: plane real quick. That's crazy. I'm not Hey, it's already
Speaker 1: like it's eighty five degrees outside right now. I'm ready
Speaker 1: for it. Let's go. Ready to get back to California
Speaker 1: and California weather. Let's get on the grind football. It
Speaker 1: was cold, that's pretty cool. Last week, but she did
Speaker 1: was she? She pulled out the notes the last time
Speaker 1: we were together, it was like, all right mid April
Speaker 1: or I don't even know if that. I think it
Speaker 1: was Wad. It might have been like, yeah, we didn't
Speaker 1: do a show before the draft for like at thirty
Speaker 1: minute then you had to leave. Yeah, and I didn't
Speaker 1: even start that show. Nope. Well mid May, we're already
Speaker 1: talking about injuries. First one on the list, of course,
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton, who was recovering from a shoulder injury. And
Speaker 1: are you shoulder surgery? Neck area? Everything good? I'm good.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be ready for training camp? Now? I
Speaker 1: won't be able to run until training camp, but I'll
Speaker 1: be ready to run by training camp. So good to
Speaker 1: hear her, man, glad to hear it, boss Man. If
Speaker 1: you guys see the if you're watching the actual video,
Speaker 1: you can see Derek. Yeah, on the neck. Yeah, it's disturbing,
Speaker 1: but that's where the incisions that happened. It's a band aid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a band aid, just a little small cut, nothing big. Well,
Speaker 1: next one on the list, running back my Webber. Oh,
Speaker 1: I thought was ready. We'll go. Third one on the list,
Speaker 1: Mike Webber. He he had an MRI. He was limped
Speaker 1: in off the field on Saturday morning during that practice
Speaker 1: and it was the knee. Something happened there. Well, we
Speaker 1: have an update because I think Dave was looking outside
Speaker 1: of the practice field at practice um and saw that.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I wasn't doing anything, Mike Webber, he
Speaker 1: I think he's doing a little drills and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: He's out there. Yeah, I think he's fine. Nothing serious.
Speaker 1: So they got him out there. They have an MRI
Speaker 1: on site, so they gave him one as a precaution.
Speaker 1: But I think he's okay. Like it's not a big
Speaker 1: deal for an app for a Cowboys player to get
Speaker 1: an MRI, like they do that all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: So they took a look at it. You know, I
Speaker 1: wonder if they'll give him a full workload at OTAs.
Speaker 1: But he's okay. Always did he have any injury history
Speaker 1: coming in? Not anything significant? No, And that's I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a walkthrough on Saturday, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, he just maybe tweaked it cutting or something
Speaker 1: like that. Like it wasn't like this. You know, if
Speaker 1: you hadn't been paying close attention, you might have thought
Speaker 1: he was just going in to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: It's not like he was carried off or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So it seems like he's okay, okay. Next one taco
Speaker 1: a guy I knew about their shoulder injury from him
Speaker 1: both sides. Now he went through a scope on the ankle,
Speaker 1: and that's something. Did you guys know about this? It's
Speaker 1: something that kind of popped up. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know about it. But this is this
Speaker 1: type of thing always. It seems to happen every offseason.
Speaker 1: It happened. It just happened with another team as well
Speaker 1: as like you know, he was probably dealing with it
Speaker 1: during the season, and you know, you think like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not playing anymore, it'll be all right,
Speaker 1: It'll be okay. And then this time you're rolls around
Speaker 1: and you're not feeling a lot better. You still got
Speaker 1: a ways to go until training camp, and you're again,
Speaker 1: getting a scope as a pro football player is not
Speaker 1: as big of a deal as it would be for us.
Speaker 1: So it's like, let's go in and clean it up. Oh.
Speaker 1: It was Darius Leonard, the Colts linebacker. Same thing like
Speaker 1: it had been bothering him it's May and he doesn't
Speaker 1: feel a lot better, and they're like, well, let's just
Speaker 1: get this knocked out now so that you'll be ready
Speaker 1: for training camp. Same thing here. You know it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily a new injury, but why take chances. You know
Speaker 1: what it does though, is and you're right, Taco is
Speaker 1: gonna be able to compete in a training camp. But
Speaker 1: I think what it's going to do is when he
Speaker 1: gets to the OTAs and we'll see about mini camp
Speaker 1: on how long that takes it. You probably is gonna
Speaker 1: be knocked out for mini camp, I would imagine. But
Speaker 1: the guys like Joe Jackson and Jelks, these rookie pass
Speaker 1: rushers that you know they looked the part. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they can play, but I mean they certainly
Speaker 1: looked the part. They're gonna get opportunities. Zelner Peppi's owner.
Speaker 1: You think Jalen Jelks is PEPPI know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's when you get to those guys that looked the
Speaker 1: part and you know they can necessarily play. But like
Speaker 1: Peppi's elder looked the part. You know, there's that guy
Speaker 1: Jolkes is so intriguing because he could play. I mean
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve he was a he was a
Speaker 1: first team All Pac twelve player, and he I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, he had good production, and he has good
Speaker 1: size and he played at a good school. Maybe he
Speaker 1: can be a good player. Yeah, maybe there should be
Speaker 1: plenty of opportunities for d Lineman in this session coming
Speaker 1: up because Gregory's not here. D law is not going
Speaker 1: to do a lot. Taco's not doesn't sound like he's
Speaker 1: gonna do a lot. I don't think there's anything wrong
Speaker 1: with Robert Quinn, but he's like a nine year veteran,
Speaker 1: so you'd imagine you're not going to kill him during OTAs.
Speaker 1: Although he's new to the system, so it's true, but
Speaker 1: I still, I mean, well, and then, um, what are
Speaker 1: you doing this afternoon? That seemed like a good story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good point, good story, and it's really more like tonight,
Speaker 1: But that's true. Baseball, Antoine Woods is coming off a shoulder.
Speaker 1: I think MALIEK. Collins is coming off something like Rod
Speaker 1: Marinelli was talking about it at Mini camp over the weekend.
Speaker 1: He was like, we got a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: we're not going to push very hard this spring, which
Speaker 1: can only be a good thing for the rookies and
Speaker 1: whoever else. And the thing about it is it may
Speaker 1: not even lead to much here because you start talking
Speaker 1: about all those names, all those names are presumably going
Speaker 1: to be on this team when you get to September.
Speaker 1: So just getting them ready so that they have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to be able to show well during the preseason
Speaker 1: that may create other opportunities for them if they should
Speaker 1: get cut, which a lot of them probably will because
Speaker 1: a lot of the positions are already solidified, i think
Speaker 1: on the defensive line, just because of the numbers of
Speaker 1: the people that they actually have here. But when you
Speaker 1: talk about not pushing these defensive linemen, the guys that
Speaker 1: were banged up, that means that the younger guys, the
Speaker 1: Tristan Hills and the Jolkes and them, they're going to
Speaker 1: get chances to go up against the first team offensive
Speaker 1: line here, and that's all. That's always a good thing,
Speaker 1: good experience. So yeah, this could this could be a
Speaker 1: win win if those all those guys kind of come
Speaker 1: back into the mixer. Now Minicamp rookie minicamp ended. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's very different when you watch footage from
Speaker 1: college and watch players versus when you're actually seeing them
Speaker 1: in person and seeing them do things. Who would be
Speaker 1: a guy for each one of you that kind of
Speaker 1: wasn't really what you expected or look different better for
Speaker 1: the better or warriors don't do this to me? Why
Speaker 1: they didn't do anything? I know, I know. But for example,
Speaker 1: for example, the corners when they came, I know, they
Speaker 1: were big corners and stuff, and then seeing them in person,
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, Okay, they're actually pretty big and so
Speaker 1: little things. That's what you do, that's what you look
Speaker 1: at stuff like that. Like we were sitting there looking
Speaker 1: at at Mike Jackson, and man, his arms are and
Speaker 1: he's not really that tall. I mean, he's one of
Speaker 1: those prototypical guys that supposedly Rochard loves it has the
Speaker 1: long limb, stands next to Westreet, and Westreet looks like
Speaker 1: he's taller than any wide receiver. And when he's six
Speaker 1: to four, he doesn't look like the corner, and so
Speaker 1: he looks like Jackson looks like the short corner, you know,
Speaker 1: and he is compared to Westreet. But if you look
Speaker 1: at their arms, I don't, I don't. I could measure them,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm just saying I can't shameless plug.
Speaker 1: I wrote a story about it yesterday. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: probably the one thing that jumped out to me more
Speaker 1: than anything else during rookie camp was the corners, because
Speaker 1: Donovan Alumba was there too. They're massive, and Mike Jackson's
Speaker 1: only six one, he's got thirty three inch arms. Westrey's
Speaker 1: six four with thirty three inch arms, Alumba's six two
Speaker 1: with thirty two and quarter inch which I actually went
Speaker 1: back through Richard's tenure with the Seahawks. It's staggering, you
Speaker 1: know how closely they've aligned with what he wants in
Speaker 1: a corner over the time he was in Seattle. They
Speaker 1: only drafted one quarterback cornerback who was shorter than six foot,
Speaker 1: and then in draft any that didn't have at least
Speaker 1: thirty two inch arms. Really, Yeah, like arm length and
Speaker 1: height are big deals. I think Byron Maxwell was the
Speaker 1: only sub six foot corner they ever drafted, and he
Speaker 1: was five to eleven, Which then I went and looked
Speaker 1: at who's on the roster right now, and of the incumbents,
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis, Cheeto Woozier, Byron is
Speaker 1: the only one that hits both of those benchmarks, not
Speaker 1: even Cheeto does. Cheeto doesn't. His arms are only thirty
Speaker 1: and five eighths or something like that, which, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that's not everything because you've had Cheeto in the
Speaker 1: system for two years and he's played really well. But
Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting that most of the corners
Speaker 1: that are on the roster right now with starting experience
Speaker 1: are not guys that Richard would probably look at if
Speaker 1: it were up to him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I just think that's something. Would you imagine some
Speaker 1: of these new guys kind of pushing out? I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, they have the experience. You got. Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: poor guy, he has already been kind of pushed out
Speaker 1: since last year or so, all things being equal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I think Richard would probably rather go with one
Speaker 1: of these yeah, which I mean, they gotta they still
Speaker 1: gotta be better, you know, like if Anthony Brown is
Speaker 1: just better than these guys, then obviously you go with
Speaker 1: the better player. But I bet Richard would love for
Speaker 1: one of these guys to take ownership of something. But
Speaker 1: let me ask you, this is that you know at
Speaker 1: all scary a little bit because Richard right now, there's
Speaker 1: no guarantee Rochards here next year or the year after.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that's a commodity as a potential head
Speaker 1: coach coach in the NFL if you're changing things, and again,
Speaker 1: as you talked about, Jordan Lewis already kind of found
Speaker 1: himself kind of the odd man out. If Cheeto doesn't
Speaker 1: fit that that criteria, at some point, maybe one of
Speaker 1: these other guys maybe kind of starts to slide. Are
Speaker 1: you okay as the Cowboys kind of moving in that
Speaker 1: direction knowing that maybe you might not even have Richard
Speaker 1: in coming years. I mean not, but he's he's put
Speaker 1: something in place that I think you should follow because
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, it worked for them, it worked for Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean, it's not a bad thing
Speaker 1: to say, all right, well he's not here anymore, but
Speaker 1: we're still gonna keep that philosophy, which to be I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't have to adhere to one hundred percent like Guess.
Speaker 1: I mean, Anthony Brown and Cheeto have proven themselves, if
Speaker 1: as good players despite not having those measurables. So but
Speaker 1: they're both like in the next what two years, Hey,
Speaker 1: I mean down after this year. I think it's it's
Speaker 1: curious to think, like, Okay, these guys have proven they
Speaker 1: can do it. Are you really not going to resign
Speaker 1: them just because they don't have these measurables that you value,
Speaker 1: even though they've proven on tape for multiple years that
Speaker 1: they can do it well. We thought after this rookie
Speaker 1: year that Jordan Lewis had something, not all of a
Speaker 1: sudden last year he was completely out of the mix.
Speaker 1: So and he's a pick that was a I think
Speaker 1: a valuable pick. Rights. So from my standpoint, I look
Speaker 1: at and say, they've already shown a set they're willing
Speaker 1: to at least defer that way. Yep. And and so
Speaker 1: I will be interested to see what happens is if
Speaker 1: year with Brown, because that'll tell you a lot about
Speaker 1: kind of how the Cowboys are looking at the cornerback
Speaker 1: position without Rahard. It's it's and I don't we don't
Speaker 1: know the answer to that yet, but it'll be something
Speaker 1: to watch. I'm fascinated to see what the cornerback depth
Speaker 1: chart looks like when it's finalized, yeh like, because it'll
Speaker 1: show you a lot about what they prioritize. It's definitely
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun training camp, basically all all positions. Now,
Speaker 1: let's move on to the running back position. Tony say
Speaker 1: his last name before you make fun of me, know
Speaker 1: how you see it? Polar Pollard, pard Tony. Let's just
Speaker 1: talk about Tony and a guy that has started, you know,
Speaker 1: getting some labels around what he's going to be able
Speaker 1: to do here for the Cowboys in the offense. Is
Speaker 1: this a guy that you you think that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: will be able to find the right place for him.
Speaker 1: We've seen it happen with Tavon Austin, how they talked
Speaker 1: about him and praised all his abilities and how they
Speaker 1: can use him all over the field. This is a
Speaker 1: guy that seems to be kind of just like that
Speaker 1: as far as being utilized in many, many different ways.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the Cowboys can find a way
Speaker 1: to make it work with him and have him be
Speaker 1: productive on the field. That's on Kellen Moore. It's on
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore to figure it out, and it's on Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett to let him figure it out. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: really as far as I'm willing to go, because I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not just Tavon Austin. It was Ryan Switzer, it
Speaker 1: was Lance Dunbar. I know injuries were part of that,
Speaker 1: but excuses, excuses. I mean, you drafted this guy in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. It's not quite a premium pick, but
Speaker 1: a pick that you expect to make a difference, and
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to do it. They need to
Speaker 1: do it. That's on them. One thing about and it's
Speaker 1: it is on Pollard too in one regard um. If
Speaker 1: he's gonna play it like a right wide receiver slot guy,
Speaker 1: that's that's one thing. But if he's also going to
Speaker 1: be back there as a running back, he's got to
Speaker 1: be able to block. If he if he can't pick
Speaker 1: up the blitz, if he can't recognize where it's coming
Speaker 1: from and protect the quarterback um and not be a liability,
Speaker 1: then that's that's not going to get him on the
Speaker 1: field at all. I mean, because you know that Zeke's
Speaker 1: gonna play something. But that change of pace back is nice.
Speaker 1: And that was the thing with Dunbar. I mean, Dunbar,
Speaker 1: he had some issues. They're picking up those blitzes at times,
Speaker 1: I mean because they're not. That's what makes them so special,
Speaker 1: is that the fact that they're little short guys that
Speaker 1: can move around, but that doesn't mean that they're good blockers,
Speaker 1: you know. And Kamara, he's the guy everyone wants to
Speaker 1: compare them to him that that's great, but Kamara, you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's got a little bit of sproles in him,
Speaker 1: I mean as far as being compact and and you know,
Speaker 1: tough there. But I mean, you can listen to what
Speaker 1: the at least what the coaches are saying about Pollard,
Speaker 1: it seems like they're at least the lift service that
Speaker 1: they're giving is that he is a he is more
Speaker 1: than just a change of pace, third down kind of back.
Speaker 1: They think he's more of a complete running back. And
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I think I kind of
Speaker 1: believe that, or at least they're going to try to
Speaker 1: play him in that role because I don't anticipate as
Speaker 1: good a third down back as you think he might be.
Speaker 1: Zeke's a better third down back, as good of a
Speaker 1: you know, you know, change of pace, Zeke's still a
Speaker 1: good change like. Zeke can do all those things. His
Speaker 1: opportunity will be what the Cowboys typically do, which is
Speaker 1: they get to about what is that like series number
Speaker 1: three or four in the game and they'll pull Zeke
Speaker 1: off the field and they'll put another running back in
Speaker 1: for that beginning part of that. Depending on how they're doing,
Speaker 1: they'll let him stay a little bit longer, or they
Speaker 1: say get out. Was it putting Zeke back in? That's
Speaker 1: going to be his opportunity. So on those downs, can
Speaker 1: he do something that makes them say we have to
Speaker 1: get him on the field more frequently and find a
Speaker 1: role for him to be on the field. If not,
Speaker 1: what ends up happening is he's just going to be
Speaker 1: the guy to spell Zeke, and that means he's got
Speaker 1: to be well rounded to do that. I just hope
Speaker 1: it's not as formulaic as it was a while ago
Speaker 1: when it was like, oh, it's the Cowboys third possession
Speaker 1: of the game. I guess that means it's Salford Morris time.
Speaker 1: Like there's no real rhyme or reason for it, but likes,
Speaker 1: that's just what we decided. I'm expecting that's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do, and so we're gonna do it. I hope not,
Speaker 1: because this guy's skill set is much more than that.
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, it does get tiresome to
Speaker 1: compare everybody to the Saints or even the Rams. But
Speaker 1: I mean it's like a hockey team the way that
Speaker 1: like guys are running on and off the field per snap.
Speaker 1: Forget series. It's like, well, it's third and two, so
Speaker 1: we want to you know, oh, Taysom Hill get out here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this, And like, I'd love to see
Speaker 1: more of that. I want to see it first though.
Speaker 1: I think the thing about is that's easy to say
Speaker 1: when you have a guy that's not the best runner
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Like they could do that with the
Speaker 1: Saints because they had a good running back. They didn't
Speaker 1: have a great run back, so you can work Kamara
Speaker 1: in there. I don't think it's the same thing with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys because the Cowboys still feel like their best
Speaker 1: option is Ezekiel Elliott and so pulling him off the
Speaker 1: field for anybody else, I don't know if they feel
Speaker 1: like that's a great there's no law And is that
Speaker 1: not because of his injury issues. I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on with that. Now, there was other things, there
Speaker 1: were other things that play there than just ability. I
Speaker 1: guess they didn't really do that with Gurley early in
Speaker 1: the year. Right, there's no We're do any last year either,
Speaker 1: there's no law in football that says they can't be
Speaker 1: on the field at the same time, just for whatever
Speaker 1: that's worth. And Pollard spent a lot of his time
Speaker 1: lined up out wide. Again, I mean, who's the other
Speaker 1: back in Memphis? When don't you get The Rams drafted him? Henderson?
Speaker 1: Darryl Henderson. The Rams drafted him, which to me says
Speaker 1: that they're worried about Todd Gurley because they trade it
Speaker 1: up into the top one hundred to get him. So
Speaker 1: a pretty damn good player, a top one hundred pick,
Speaker 1: they still found ways to use poor They're like, you
Speaker 1: know what, in the NFC Divisional game, we went up
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys and we had Anderson and Gurley and
Speaker 1: went for almost three hundred yards on them, So we
Speaker 1: need that second guy. Maybe that maybe they're looking at
Speaker 1: that way Pollard Ill. I mean, I watched tape of
Speaker 1: I've watched tape of Pollard. He does all sorts of
Speaker 1: motion in and moving. He doesn't need to be the
Speaker 1: primary guy to be able to get on the field,
Speaker 1: and I would love them to do that. What I
Speaker 1: know right now, if I'm basing it on what I
Speaker 1: know right now is They've had other players with those
Speaker 1: kinds of skills that they haven't figured out how to
Speaker 1: use them that's in this offense. So until they do it,
Speaker 1: I just don't know that that's something they want to
Speaker 1: do necessarily we've heard. I mean, there are you can
Speaker 1: go find them. There's so many quotes that can and
Speaker 1: should inspire optimism about what this offense could be. Gary Brown,
Speaker 1: h Kellen Moore has has said a lot of good
Speaker 1: stuff about how multiple he wants to be. Tony Pollard actually, like,
Speaker 1: unprompted during minicamp, was like, oh, Kellen Moore is a genius,
Speaker 1: Like you can already tell it would be great. Love it.
Speaker 1: At this point, it's on you to show me. It's
Speaker 1: not on me to just buy it at face value.
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel about it. You know, it's
Speaker 1: hard to imagine for me to imagine a sequel Eliott
Speaker 1: being more productive than what he already is. But I
Speaker 1: wonder if the Cowboys are able to find the right
Speaker 1: formula and incorporate this running back whoever it is in there,
Speaker 1: how that would affect a sequel Eliot's performance and productivity
Speaker 1: on the field. That would be really interesting. Something that
Speaker 1: I can really imagine because he gives you, yeah, everything
Speaker 1: you can hope and imagine for it. But let me
Speaker 1: ask this question, do you guys think Zeke is You know,
Speaker 1: we've seen these kinds of backs. They can be volume
Speaker 1: guys or they can be guys that can just strike
Speaker 1: at any moment. Do you think Zeke is one or
Speaker 1: the other or just kind of a mixture of the two.
Speaker 1: When you just like he needs a lot of touches
Speaker 1: volume in order to be as great as he's been
Speaker 1: so far, I think that's true to a degree, because
Speaker 1: I think a big part of Zeke's game is like
Speaker 1: the old like he's the cliche guy that gets better
Speaker 1: as the game goes. I think because he doesn't wear
Speaker 1: down and everybody else does so to a part of
Speaker 1: me agrees with that. I mean, if he were only
Speaker 1: to get fifteen touches in a game, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think you're using him the right way. I don't
Speaker 1: really agree with that. I mean I think that we've
Speaker 1: been so trained to play fantasy football and think that,
Speaker 1: all right, you know, these guys, you know, we'll put
Speaker 1: up these really big numbers. But I mean we've seen
Speaker 1: first quarters where he's just on fire, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you need that many carries to be I
Speaker 1: mean he sets the tone early in a game. So
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of get what you're saying. I
Speaker 1: think he's productive. He's just one of those things where
Speaker 1: he sets the tone. He's doing well, why are we
Speaker 1: taking him out? You know? And so that's that's that
Speaker 1: was that's not new to him. I mean, the same
Speaker 1: thing they tried to get into Marcus Ware. You know,
Speaker 1: back in the day, they tried to get him off
Speaker 1: the field. But for who for what? You know, it
Speaker 1: was tough for years. A win. Yeah, he kept drafting,
Speaker 1: drafting second round tight end him. He was like, go
Speaker 1: over there. That is I mean, Zeke has started fast.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that like he needs three
Speaker 1: quarters to get up to speed, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: with and he also he he's not slow, but he's
Speaker 1: not like a home run player that I don't hold
Speaker 1: my breath thinking that he could take every run to
Speaker 1: the house, you know what I mean, not really. I
Speaker 1: mean he's I don't think every play, but I think
Speaker 1: he's a home run hill. Like. I think he's a
Speaker 1: guy that can take it the distance. He's shown that
Speaker 1: I think enough. You don't good last year, he hasn't.
Speaker 1: He's he's very good on the screen pass. We've seen
Speaker 1: that a million times. I don't think he's housed to
Speaker 1: run for more than like thirty yards away in since
Speaker 1: his rookie year. That's true. And so what I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't count run versus I mean run pass either way.
Speaker 1: You take it the distance, you take it the distance
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean to me, he's a threat when
Speaker 1: he's in the open field, I guess is the way
Speaker 1: I look at it. Yeah, And I mean, wasn't it
Speaker 1: last year or I guess two years ago whenever Alfred
Speaker 1: Morris was here, did he go like seventy five yards
Speaker 1: with them all? Yeah? He had a really long one.
Speaker 1: He can He's like I just when I when I
Speaker 1: mean to say by that is like you know, um,
Speaker 1: like a guy with the speed like a Tyreek hill,
Speaker 1: Like he could touch the ball twice in a game.
Speaker 1: And I think video game is what he's right, which
Speaker 1: you know, Zeke's not that guy. Like I think Zeke
Speaker 1: needs a high volume of carries to make that impact
Speaker 1: in my opinion, Okay, And the really reason I asked
Speaker 1: that is because that has to be factored into this
Speaker 1: as well. You start talking about what Amber was saying with,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of working and figuring out that right formula. Well,
Speaker 1: if you think, if you think, if the coaches think
Speaker 1: that he is a volume guy, then they may say, hey,
Speaker 1: we can't give this other guy a lot of opportunities
Speaker 1: at running back because we need to give the volume
Speaker 1: to Zeke. If Pollard is what they are selling him
Speaker 1: to be, then eight touches should be plenty. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see if that's true, but that's what they're trying
Speaker 1: to sell us. Right now. Let's go ahead and take
Speaker 1: a quick break. When we come back, we'll get into
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore being the OC and then John Kitna trying
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Speaker 1: to the break. Yeah, we're back, Nick, We're back. We're back,
Speaker 1: We're back. I thought that a little shorter than the Eagle.
Speaker 1: Oh well, because he got it in a while. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to be here, though. Do you have anything to
Speaker 1: promote John Kinna, Let's talk about him and let's promote
Speaker 1: promote John kin He did speak to the media during
Speaker 1: this rookie mini camp, and I think from what I
Speaker 1: was reading people's reaction to what he said about wanting
Speaker 1: to take Dak Prescott into the elite and becoming elite,
Speaker 1: I think there was there was a mixture of responses
Speaker 1: from fans and what I was reading, a lot of
Speaker 1: people took it, well, isn't that what a coach is
Speaker 1: supposed to do to begin with? And that's the goal
Speaker 1: for anybody that you're coaching. But what are some of
Speaker 1: the things that that you've heard and know from his
Speaker 1: history of coaching, not necessarily in the NFL level, But
Speaker 1: what is he able to bring differently to the coaching part. Well,
Speaker 1: he's you know, he has coached high school, you know before,
Speaker 1: and I know that that that a lot of people
Speaker 1: have coach high school. That that's not what's going in
Speaker 1: to get him, you know, Dack to the next level.
Speaker 1: It's the fact that he has been a backup quarterback
Speaker 1: for fifteen sixteen years. He started a few years as well,
Speaker 1: but he's been a quarterback in this league for a
Speaker 1: long time. That's what's gonna help Dack the most. But
Speaker 1: what he said about being elite, he said that is
Speaker 1: the toughest thing to do in life, not just in sports,
Speaker 1: in life. If something that you have that you are
Speaker 1: good at getting it to the next level and being
Speaker 1: being elite. Because what happens is is that he called
Speaker 1: at the land of good enough, I'm good enough I'm
Speaker 1: good enough to do this right now. I do I
Speaker 1: need to get up at six am because I'm good
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I can get up. I can get
Speaker 1: there seven thirty or eight up being that next group.
Speaker 1: I'm good. I can go out here. I don't need
Speaker 1: to watch this other tape because I know I'm good
Speaker 1: enough when we get out on Sunday, I'm good enough,
Speaker 1: And he said. He talked about Tiger Woods. He talked
Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan. He talks about specific things that they
Speaker 1: did to get better. Michael Jordan was great enough, but
Speaker 1: decided that he wanted to be a three point shooter.
Speaker 1: He wanted to have that in his game. And then
Speaker 1: then he wanted later in his career to be a
Speaker 1: post up guy, and then then he was unstoppable. He
Speaker 1: also mentioned Tiger Woods. Before he started winning a lot
Speaker 1: of majors in a row, he had about eighteen months
Speaker 1: where he didn't win anything. He was he was changing
Speaker 1: a swing a little bit, so taking steps backwards to
Speaker 1: go forward. When he was saying all that about good enough,
Speaker 1: all I could think of was David Irving. I was
Speaker 1: just thinking David Irving in his mind thinks or thought
Speaker 1: he was good enough. To go out and play party
Speaker 1: end of the night before not going to He said it,
Speaker 1: he said, I'm good enough to do this, but the
Speaker 1: problem is he didn't want to be great or elite
Speaker 1: and he could have best. Yeah, and that's what I
Speaker 1: hope that Dak wants to do here. Yeah, it made
Speaker 1: me think of my hero, Jay Cutler, and to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, because that it reminds me of Jay Cutler,
Speaker 1: because Jay Cutler is like the epitome of like I'm
Speaker 1: good at He's like I got a cannon arm and
Speaker 1: you know, like I've been here and done that. Like
Speaker 1: you want to pay me to play quarterback? Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll play quarterback. But like I never got the impression
Speaker 1: in a decade of his career that he cared about
Speaker 1: being great, you know. And then that's fine. Not everybody's
Speaker 1: like that, But I do think Dak has that drive
Speaker 1: and I love I love the pairing of Kittena there.
Speaker 1: He had another great quote when he talked to us
Speaker 1: about you know, he was like I've done this, Like
Speaker 1: He's like I can tell you right now, Like you
Speaker 1: make that throw in that coverage, Like I've thrown that
Speaker 1: pick before, so you don't need to I've thrown that
Speaker 1: pick for you go over here, which like he's that's
Speaker 1: That's a such an interesting perspective for me because John
Speaker 1: Kitten had did this for a long time. He was
Speaker 1: pretty good at it. For he was pretty good at
Speaker 1: it for a little while. He was never you know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't that guy. He wasn't Brady or even close
Speaker 1: to it. But he's been through the wars more than
Speaker 1: anybody can imagine. So you know, we've been clamoring for
Speaker 1: him to have that experienced voice for ever, like this
Speaker 1: is it. He might not be in the huddle, but
Speaker 1: that dude seemed just about everything you could expect an
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback to a scene. And he's going to be
Speaker 1: watching tape with Dak for the foreseeable future. I think
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. You know, I actually thought about the
Speaker 1: thought about it from the flip side and Tony and
Speaker 1: you remember what Tony you suck about how every offseason
Speaker 1: he would take one thing, one thing that he would
Speaker 1: isolate on and say, I'm going to get better at this.
Speaker 1: And I remember talking one year he was saying it.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the skill was or what the
Speaker 1: asset was he was working on but he was literally
Speaker 1: in his living room all summer, all the offseason, throwing
Speaker 1: footballs into his couch and certain pillows, and it was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was trying to get rid
Speaker 1: of his get a quicker release or what, but he
Speaker 1: was saying he was just firing footballs into his couch,
Speaker 1: into the pillows, and again, it just it just underscores
Speaker 1: why maybe a guy like him that was undrafted could
Speaker 1: get to the level that he got to relative to
Speaker 1: say a Jay Cutler, who was everybody would probably agree
Speaker 1: had way more skill and talent coming in the door,
Speaker 1: but didn't reach a real high level over his success.
Speaker 1: One of the most physically gifted quarterbacks to come through
Speaker 1: the league in recent memory, and I played like had
Speaker 1: a pretty good career all things considered, but like never
Speaker 1: really reached that Jeff George's an example from our time
Speaker 1: is when we a little younger. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: those kind of guys come and go all the time,
Speaker 1: and you can get to that point where you're pretty good.
Speaker 1: You know, he's gotten two Pro Bowls in three years, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good, But there's a whole other level of
Speaker 1: greatness that he can get to if he really works out.
Speaker 1: I thought. What was interesting too is he's coached high
Speaker 1: school for seven years in Washington for like three years Tacoma, Washington,
Speaker 1: then wats A Hatchie for four or five and his
Speaker 1: son was one of the quarterbacks in there as well.
Speaker 1: But he said, this is the first time he's gotten
Speaker 1: the opportunity to really teach the fundamentals. He said, you
Speaker 1: can't go to that level with these kids in high school.
Speaker 1: They don't know anything. They don't understand the difference between
Speaker 1: you know, one, you know, misstep here and all that.
Speaker 1: And he said, now you can bring it up to
Speaker 1: the to the NFL, and his example was Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: He said, miss, you know, missteps or that's what he eliminates.
Speaker 1: That's Jason's fall steps. Yeah, that's what he has eliminated
Speaker 1: from his game, and therefore that's why he's going to
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and didn't ever come off the field.
Speaker 1: So it's it's really taken away the bad plays more
Speaker 1: than anything. But that was interesting when I when I
Speaker 1: listened to it, the fact that he said those kinds
Speaker 1: of things about high school students, which to me I
Speaker 1: initially would imagine that's where you start that's where you
Speaker 1: start with the fundamentals and you try to teach everything
Speaker 1: right from the beginning. But the fact that, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't compare high school students versus people that are playing
Speaker 1: in the NFL and the amount of care and the
Speaker 1: amount of understanding that people have between the two. What
Speaker 1: you can get away with in high school it's a
Speaker 1: lot different than what you can get away with the NFL.
Speaker 1: Like the small things will get you sacked or get
Speaker 1: an interception in the NFL. In high school, you can
Speaker 1: make a lot of mistakes, and because you're just so
Speaker 1: much talented everybody else, you can score touchdown. Like that's
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of these guys are at the end.
Speaker 1: I'm I would bet most guys in the NFL locker
Speaker 1: rooms are guys that they dominated the other kids in
Speaker 1: high school and its completely dominated them, and a lot
Speaker 1: of them probably had no technique. No, it was just
Speaker 1: all about the fact that they had the raw ability
Speaker 1: to do it. I mean, it's it's like, that's why
Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks probably shouldn't be teaching, you know, or coaching
Speaker 1: in high school like a sixteen year veteran. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like Jeff Gordon's gonna teach driver's ed. I mean
Speaker 1: it's like you you don't need to do that, that
Speaker 1: would be interesting. Yeah, I mean it's just like you
Speaker 1: need to take this sixteen years of experience and and
Speaker 1: and do it, you know, with with players that actually
Speaker 1: understand that, not seventeen year olds that are also thinking
Speaker 1: about the prom and where they're gonna go to school
Speaker 1: and football they're going to take to Was it you
Speaker 1: or Rob that Donovan Wilson is from North Louisiana And actually, like,
Speaker 1: I guess it seems kind of hard to believe, but
Speaker 1: he's only like two years younger than Dak. I guess
Speaker 1: he's from North Louisiana where Dak is from. And they
Speaker 1: played in high school and uh I asked that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well Donovan was like he was like, yeah, he beat us.
Speaker 1: And Nick asked Dack about He's like, oh, yeah, like
Speaker 1: they couldn't what was it the high school for um,
Speaker 1: what's the wood Lane or something like that. Donovan went
Speaker 1: to Woodland, went to Houghton. He was like, He's like,
Speaker 1: they couldn't do anything. They couldn't they couldn't touch me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you couldn't do anything with him. They had nothing for me,
Speaker 1: which like and literally they probably didn't touch him the
Speaker 1: whole game, and that's really didn't touch him. Every guy
Speaker 1: in the NFL was that guy in college or excuse me,
Speaker 1: high school, and some of them were that they got
Speaker 1: in college, right exactly, someone that don't even make it
Speaker 1: to the NFL with that guy in college, I think
Speaker 1: that would be cool to see that. You know, guys
Speaker 1: that we look at and you know, they get a
Speaker 1: bad rap. I mean, I'll say it because he's he's
Speaker 1: kind of been the punchline here lately, but I mean
Speaker 1: it would be cool to just look at Taco highlights
Speaker 1: for high school just like killing people. Oh I know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was. They all were people, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's and no one's gonna be that impressed
Speaker 1: because a lot of people that are listening to this
Speaker 1: show probably rocked it in high school too. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's the way it is. But um, Derek probably
Speaker 1: were a high school star. I pay for anybody, I know,
Speaker 1: that's shocking. Position do you play? I play safety and
Speaker 1: wide receiver. But then my bat got broke up. So
Speaker 1: that was all for that, Yeah, all of that, you know,
Speaker 1: this whole John Kinna thing makes me even more excited,
Speaker 1: just because when you get somebody that's coaching people that
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily at the level that you're wanting, and then
Speaker 1: you get to be at the position that you are
Speaker 1: now having somebody that does care enough or knows enough
Speaker 1: it's professional and all of that, it makes you even
Speaker 1: more excited to coach that person. Now, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore and his new position here. We we got
Speaker 1: to talk to him during this time. Obviously, there's not
Speaker 1: much different because nothing has really happened during the rookie minicam.
Speaker 1: There's nothing real football practice is happening, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of boring. But what were some of the things that
Speaker 1: Callen was able to say that maybe got you a
Speaker 1: little bit excited hopefully or motivated you to something to
Speaker 1: look forward to as being kind of different in this
Speaker 1: whole offense and some of the things that he's planning
Speaker 1: them doing. I was listening to Kit now and they
Speaker 1: talked at the same time, Thanks pr and they I
Speaker 1: think one of the things he did he did say
Speaker 1: which you know he's probably gonna say this at the time,
Speaker 1: but he wanted to get everybody. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he talked about trying to get multiple people involved in
Speaker 1: the offense, which I guess that's natural, you would you
Speaker 1: would want to say that. But he, you know, he's
Speaker 1: got a lot of you know, weapons, and they want
Speaker 1: to make sure that the Randall Cobbs of the world,
Speaker 1: that everybody you know, really spread the ball around. And
Speaker 1: that sounds great. That sounds great until you lose a
Speaker 1: game in Washington and then you come back and be like,
Speaker 1: why don't you just get the ball to Cooper or
Speaker 1: why don't you get the ball to Zeke? You know,
Speaker 1: that all sounds good now, but um, you know, let's see,
Speaker 1: let's see what it looks like. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be away blanket, but like that's just that's my role,
Speaker 1: I guess, which actually it's not. I want I want
Speaker 1: to rephrase that because like, I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: felt is optimistic about a Cowboys team as I do
Speaker 1: this one. Like there's a lot of interest. Keep hearing
Speaker 1: that from different people, Yeah, the national people. I keep
Speaker 1: hearing that, and I don't really like that. I don't
Speaker 1: like it's an uncomfortable spotlight with everybody. But you know what,
Speaker 1: this team doesn't handle it well too. That a typically
Speaker 1: and you got to you gotta put them in different
Speaker 1: categories because it's a different team. But you right, You're right,
Speaker 1: it does. Do you say tough tough? Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: wasn't drop. I said, tough, tough, cookies, deal with it.
Speaker 1: Biggest football team in the world. Sorry, there's a spotlight
Speaker 1: on you. Oh no, spotlights always there. But when people
Speaker 1: are talking good about him in point, I'm making the
Speaker 1: point which I think I'm scared of my own optimism
Speaker 1: because I'm so used to being a pessimist, which you know,
Speaker 1: I could say I could talk to till them blue
Speaker 1: in the face. I think there's a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: to be excited about Kelly Moore. I just said, like,
Speaker 1: I think John Kitten is going to prove to be
Speaker 1: an amazing hire, but like I just want to see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I stood out here and sweated last year
Speaker 1: talking to Scott Linehan about like, is tavan or receiver
Speaker 1: or running back? Why can't he be both? He's gonna
Speaker 1: do this, He's a web back. He's gonna get two
Speaker 1: dozen touches a game. Like, just show me, just do something.
Speaker 1: Do it, be interesting, be fun and innovative because we
Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of it over the last four years.
Speaker 1: You know, what's hard for me is to even picture
Speaker 1: any of this because yes, there was a big change
Speaker 1: at the position at an offensive coordinator, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, it was someone that has been here, someone
Speaker 1: that was very close to scotd. Linahan. So it's like
Speaker 1: there is the change, but at the same time, you
Speaker 1: don't feel the change, like really feel it. So it's
Speaker 1: hard to even picture how different this whole offense is
Speaker 1: going to be in the near future. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys can't even imagine any of that as
Speaker 1: far as I mean every time drastic changes, every time
Speaker 1: you talk about any player, any you know how this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna do this year, you do have to to
Speaker 1: factor that in, like this is new. I mean the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is different, and so um that's it's actually
Speaker 1: a good thing. Though it's not a bad thing. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just it's hard to look at like, oh,
Speaker 1: Jason Whitton. Now we know what Whitten is, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we think, but do we know him like this? We
Speaker 1: know Randall Cobb in this offense? Do we know what
Speaker 1: Cooper is going to be in this Tavon and this offense,
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a good thing to be like,
Speaker 1: you know that that can kind of bring a level
Speaker 1: of excitement because with Lenahan, he kind of knew what
Speaker 1: it was going to be and it's gotten to the
Speaker 1: point where then they needed to make a change. Well,
Speaker 1: here's here's why pessimism comes in. And I guess me
Speaker 1: and Dave are flipping a little bit. But here's what
Speaker 1: my pessimism comes in is, I don't know how much
Speaker 1: influence Jason has over that and how much influence he
Speaker 1: exerts over the play caller on the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball, because if if it's a lot, then although
Speaker 1: there may be a different person who's actually saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the play, the whole the overall ideology about what
Speaker 1: they're trying to do on any given play still revolves
Speaker 1: around Jason's philosophy, which means it doesn't change drastically. There
Speaker 1: may be some slight nuance or maybe some slight changes,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it's still the
Speaker 1: same philosophical base, right, And that's where I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that answer. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know that any of us know that answer. You
Speaker 1: would have to be in the coaches meeting to know
Speaker 1: that answer. But that's the part that makes me a
Speaker 1: little bit pessimists. Well, you know, Jason doesn't like change,
Speaker 1: but if Kellen Moore and you know, if somebody doesn't
Speaker 1: call the right plays, he's gonna make a big change
Speaker 1: next January. And we all know that about wear Navy anymore.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying that here's a lot of teams
Speaker 1: in the league that we're near right or or in
Speaker 1: the acc But what I'm saying is is I think
Speaker 1: that that he's going to I mean I say all
Speaker 1: that to say he will be involved because he is.
Speaker 1: That is that the great Because honestly, I think you
Speaker 1: want him to be a little bit more hands off
Speaker 1: and let Kellen call this offense because I think what
Speaker 1: the reason they hired him is because they want him
Speaker 1: to be innovative and different and try new things and
Speaker 1: try to use these pieces in different ways and make
Speaker 1: the offense more dynamic, all those things. I think, if
Speaker 1: you're going to really get the benefit of that, then
Speaker 1: you gotta let him do his job right. The scary
Speaker 1: part is, now, if I want to be pessimistic, I'll
Speaker 1: say he came from the Lenahan coaching. I don't he
Speaker 1: was baby Linhan. I don't, I don't. I don't buy
Speaker 1: that one and I don't have which one part. I
Speaker 1: don't buy that baby. That's a weird phrase. But you
Speaker 1: are influenced by the people you hang out, you are,
Speaker 1: but he was around Lenahan a lot, so he was
Speaker 1: very much influenced by him. This you're that's fair. He's
Speaker 1: been Lenahan's guy going back to Detroit and NFL fans
Speaker 1: hate to hear this, which is funny because you see
Speaker 1: the influence at the college game is having on this
Speaker 1: league every single year. So I don't want to buy that.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Arizona Cardinals what they did and is
Speaker 1: so about college and we'll see if it works, but
Speaker 1: obviously the league is paying attention. Before he ever met
Speaker 1: Scotland Ahan, Kellen Moore was a badass. Like people want
Speaker 1: to write that off. As an I avid college football fan,
Speaker 1: I watched that guy for four years, like I know,
Speaker 1: and again that goes that goes back to the point
Speaker 1: is like, great, you were a badass in college. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything in the NFL. But like he's got
Speaker 1: the mind for it. It's not his fault that he's
Speaker 1: five nine and it wasn't his data coach. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: the son of a coach, he'd been around football, he
Speaker 1: spends his whole life around it. Set the college football
Speaker 1: record for wins in a career, and like, not just that,
Speaker 1: but his offenses at Boise were fun. Don't find the tape,
Speaker 1: it's there, and they did it in big games, like
Speaker 1: they did crazy stuff in big game. Protege of Chris Peterson,
Speaker 1: who has been one of the best coaches in college
Speaker 1: football for more than a decade, that like there's a
Speaker 1: lot more there than him following Scotland Ahan around for
Speaker 1: four years. So that doesn't bother me. It does bother
Speaker 1: me that it's on Jason Garrett to let him mind
Speaker 1: that talent, so to speak. And I mean, yeah, like
Speaker 1: there's no way to know what's going to happen with that.
Speaker 1: There's absolutely no way for me to sit here and
Speaker 1: say it'll happen this way, because ultimately it's up to
Speaker 1: the head coach. You always talk about him being on
Speaker 1: the hot seat. I mean this one is really burdening,
Speaker 1: like you can barely sit on it. So there's two
Speaker 1: there's two schools of thought. With that, like I can
Speaker 1: see it crystal clear, Like you're right, they need to
Speaker 1: change and score points and move the ball or they'll
Speaker 1: be looking for jobs. Jason Garrett could also think we need,
Speaker 1: you know, three or four more points a game gets
Speaker 1: us to the soup. And you know they average twenty
Speaker 1: two last year. If that number is twenty six this year,
Speaker 1: which isn't a drastic change, and the defense stays as
Speaker 1: good as it was, if you're better. If I know
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, his mindset is like we're this close to
Speaker 1: being where we want to be, Like we don't need
Speaker 1: wholesale changes, Like that's that's what I think. And so
Speaker 1: maybe I'll give you three plays a game you can call,
Speaker 1: and the rest of them I'm calling. I don't think
Speaker 1: the yeah, we'll talk about this. I guess next, you know,
Speaker 1: a segment. But I think the defense is going to
Speaker 1: be better maybe. And I'm just saying that's just that.
Speaker 1: Those are the ifs that you're dealing with. When you
Speaker 1: say I wonder for a few more points, I don't
Speaker 1: wonder how it takes a set step back. It would
Speaker 1: have to be an injury. I think, well, let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and take a final break and when we come back,
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Speaker 1: the final segment of the break, Nay hinted at the
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense and before we fully dive into that, what's
Speaker 1: an off season without some drama surrounding the Cowboys? We
Speaker 1: got Tyrone Crawford who is facing a misdemeanor from back
Speaker 1: in late March something that happened I believe in Florida
Speaker 1: or something like that. Um, do you know the whole
Speaker 1: story of what happened there, Dave? Um? Well, I mean video,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, thanks to TMZ, I mean, you can
Speaker 1: go find it was. It was a bar altercation, you know,
Speaker 1: which those are always fun to try to get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of, like why it started and who's in
Speaker 1: the wrong. But I mean Tyrone's on video shoving people
Speaker 1: and getting after it with security guards. That's that's not
Speaker 1: a great pretty good too? What's that he held his own? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's an NFL football player. Yeah, Like the
Speaker 1: bouncer wasn't little he like so but like still like bouncers.
Speaker 1: It's so Again, if you don't see these guys in person,
Speaker 1: it's hard to really understand, like how massive you've seen
Speaker 1: a bar bouncer and these guys are like bouncing off
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford like it's it was pretty funny, but so
Speaker 1: it's funny. It's funny, Like there's nothing new in this
Speaker 1: story except I think NFL dot Com I think probably
Speaker 1: looked at the paperwork yesterday and realized that he had
Speaker 1: been charged. All this happened like a month ago. Like
Speaker 1: Tyrone he pled not guilty in April. He was charged
Speaker 1: in March, so like nothing new has technically happened. It
Speaker 1: has just been brought to light in the media in
Speaker 1: the last couple of days. So he's got a hearing
Speaker 1: in June. What does the NFL do well? I mean
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys know this, Yeah, I know the NFL.
Speaker 1: You know. The rumor was that the NFL was like
Speaker 1: they went down and asked the bar for their security tapes,
Speaker 1: like within two days of it happening, so like they're
Speaker 1: gonna do what they're gonna do. I mean, I would
Speaker 1: be equally unsurprised if nothing comes of it, or if
Speaker 1: he gets multiple games I spend in my shot if
Speaker 1: nothing comes of it, just knowing that the history of
Speaker 1: what this league particular, I shouldn't say the league what
Speaker 1: Goodell does in these kinds of situations, all we know
Speaker 1: is or what we know is, he doesn't necessarily need
Speaker 1: proof that you did something wrong. What he needs proof
Speaker 1: of is that you did something that embarrassed the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if he feels like what you did embarrass the
Speaker 1: NFL in any way, then he gets he takes punitive damage.
Speaker 1: And so to me, I look at this and I'm
Speaker 1: assuming there's gonna be some kind of punishment, whether it's money,
Speaker 1: whether it's games. I don't anticipate it will be a
Speaker 1: lot of games if it is games, But I would
Speaker 1: expect at this point, regardless of what happens in the court,
Speaker 1: if they look at that film and they feel like
Speaker 1: he had a chance to walk away and he didn't
Speaker 1: and instead he stood there and pushed and punched, then
Speaker 1: they're probably going to If again, if history serves correct
Speaker 1: and what he's been doing and he continues with that
Speaker 1: level of passing out punishment, expect there's going to be
Speaker 1: probably some punishment. I would be a fool to try
Speaker 1: to predict it. I don't know, Like they do whatever
Speaker 1: they want, and they do it on their own timeline.
Speaker 1: Like you know, Tyrone's gonna have his hearing on June thirteenth.
Speaker 1: I bet Goodell will issue his verdict on September fifth,
Speaker 1: Like just whatever, yea, yeah, It's just that's random the
Speaker 1: time they do like, they do whatever they want and
Speaker 1: they can. And I was looking at the home Run
Speaker 1: derby participants. He's not among them. Yeah, Jordy looked that up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think you might get a chance to talk to it.
Speaker 1: I wonder how, I mean it wasn't going to be
Speaker 1: a chance to talk about him? Is just this awkward,
Speaker 1: you know, at the risk of sounding cynical, I mean,
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford's a two time team captain. He lives in Frisco,
Speaker 1: Like he is exactly for those of you all that
Speaker 1: don't know, they're they're doing their annual charity home run
Speaker 1: derby tonight, you know, they go hit ball there he
Speaker 1: come check it out. Yeah, come out to the rough
Speaker 1: Riders Ballpark up on Frisco. Yeah. Um. But anyways, like
Speaker 1: he's he's exactly the type of guy that would be
Speaker 1: there for this and he has many times, and so
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced it's a coincidence that he's not taking
Speaker 1: part this year. Well, because what happens is that they swing,
Speaker 1: you know, they get like ten outs and they come
Speaker 1: out and they interview them, and you know it's just
Speaker 1: gonna be kind of weird to be like, so what
Speaker 1: you think you know that that third one you get
Speaker 1: over the fence? Did you play in high school? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then it's like, I think you're gonna get You're
Speaker 1: gonna get suspended. Yep. Yeah. And I don't blame me
Speaker 1: the from mess standpoint, I'm blaming Oh no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer. I would not I would
Speaker 1: not come nearer that if I were. I don't blame
Speaker 1: him at all. Well that's another question mark. Then for
Speaker 1: the Cowboy's defense. You don't know what's going to happen there.
Speaker 1: You don't know what's gonna happen with Randy Gregory. Now
Speaker 1: when we talk about what some of the sets that
Speaker 1: could happen throughout the season, well, you know, the good
Speaker 1: thing is is they drafted a you know, second round
Speaker 1: pick that looks like he could come in and play.
Speaker 1: And they also signed and this should be mentioned first,
Speaker 1: they signed Robert Quinn, whom you know we'll be able
Speaker 1: to help on the other side there. So if Gregory
Speaker 1: doesn't play, you've got Quinn there. If um, I mean
Speaker 1: if Crawford. I mean, he's not going to be suspending
Speaker 1: for that long. It's the most I would think a
Speaker 1: game at the most. All due respect to both of
Speaker 1: those guys, I like them both a lot. Tyrone is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite people on the team. Um, did
Speaker 1: you there, are they starters? Yeah? I don't. I don't. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think so right now. The way it looks,
Speaker 1: let's assume you get back everybody you think you're going
Speaker 1: to get back. I don't think so. Now let's assume
Speaker 1: for a second. Then maybe they don't feel like DeMarcus
Speaker 1: is right yet by the beginning of the season, I
Speaker 1: could see them saying, let's let's put Tyrone in there.
Speaker 1: That's fair. But outside of that, if if Tank is back,
Speaker 1: I don't anticipate that Crawford would be just gonna have
Speaker 1: an issue. But you said they who are your referring
Speaker 1: to Gregory? And maybe he's a Nickel starter. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: one of the four that's out there when they go
Speaker 1: to Nickel. Possibly. You know the Giants game, I mean,
Speaker 1: are you are you are we sure that that the
Speaker 1: I was going to play in that game? No, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that Gregory's gonna play him. You better
Speaker 1: not be sure. No, Uh, no, one could be. Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Crawford's gonna play. No, are we sure Taco's
Speaker 1: gonna play now? No, you can't be sure because he
Speaker 1: may be benched, he may not be good enough. Are
Speaker 1: Jones just gonna play? So when you start talking about
Speaker 1: everyone getting excited about the defense and oh, we're looking
Speaker 1: so good, it's it's May, it's May fifteen, these are
Speaker 1: the type of no, I mean, these are all These
Speaker 1: are all legitimate concerns that you should have Byron Jones
Speaker 1: had hip surgery not very long ago. I think Tank
Speaker 1: is finally out of the sling. I think, um, so
Speaker 1: that's a good sign. But your linebackers are there and
Speaker 1: they're healthy and there, y'all. Okay, that's not late. Like
Speaker 1: apparently there's some talk that he's gonna be the Sam linebacker.
Speaker 1: Now he's gonna be really Yeah, And if you've if
Speaker 1: that work, well, it works because if you looked at him,
Speaker 1: he has been eating his wheediesk up. Yes, Shaun Lee
Speaker 1: looks like like Williams has bulked up. It's a different
Speaker 1: type of bulking, very different, hopefully. Connor I got a
Speaker 1: picture of Connor and I was like, no, he's holy crap,
Speaker 1: he is two of him now. He is not the
Speaker 1: same guy that he was. Shaun Lee's kind of got
Speaker 1: the pizza body going. If take like you know he
Speaker 1: is brought up here, you know, yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got that look. Yeah, it's like a body builder type. Yeah. Oh, guy,
Speaker 1: he looks bulked. Got a good idea for a guy
Speaker 1: that's on the older end of his on the the
Speaker 1: end towards the end of his career. If it's a
Speaker 1: good idea, but it looks good, it makes your group
Speaker 1: look good. Your group. Linebacker Raco Gathers has made the
Speaker 1: tight end group look good for four years. Had nah
Speaker 1: he hasn't. Yeah he had. Here we go. When you
Speaker 1: walk out of the bus, when you get off the bus,
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying, right about Sean Lee. Yes, but
Speaker 1: not the guy walks off the bus burs right. It's
Speaker 1: a way to get him on the field. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the day you're on you're talking about
Speaker 1: the snaps. I mean, I'm not upset about it because
Speaker 1: I ultimately, if you can get him on the field,
Speaker 1: those other two linebackers, there's nothing bad about that in
Speaker 1: my opinion, I just wanted from his side standpoint, can
Speaker 1: you do the job? That's I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: they would be able to play the bass defense more.
Speaker 1: It maybe not be twenty percent if you if you're
Speaker 1: strong side linebackers Damian Wilson, maybe you don't play bass
Speaker 1: that much. But if you're strong side linebacker, is it capable,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, then you might get to play bass a
Speaker 1: little bit more, which plays your advantage. Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: that the line of I mean they always say, though,
Speaker 1: is you've got to be able to take a beating
Speaker 1: to play Sam saying that's I mean, it's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: something to watch. Yeah, but he's say you call him
Speaker 1: injury prone. Yes, yes, Normally I would be reluctant to
Speaker 1: say that about a player, but even Shan Lee is
Speaker 1: the first one who will tell you that this has
Speaker 1: not been on his side, just not having the right look.
Speaker 1: It wasn't anything he did get wrong. It's just like
Speaker 1: I think that he just happened. If he if he
Speaker 1: could give you thirty percent of the snaps and Sam
Speaker 1: and be a good backup for Layton on the week side,
Speaker 1: that's Austin Twin yeah, that's good. That Well, let's switch
Speaker 1: gears and talk about some of the guys that have
Speaker 1: brought some of these players into the whole Cowboys team,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys have have lost I believe two guy
Speaker 1: or is it more three? Technically three? Yeah, three guys
Speaker 1: from the scouting department, which happened. Two guys. Two guys
Speaker 1: that were here longer than than you've been here, h
Speaker 1: Tom Siskowski and Walter Julia U. They've been I mean
Speaker 1: as Tom actually ran this out in department for a
Speaker 1: few years, I think after Larry Lacewell Um and then
Speaker 1: and then Jim Abrams is a Jim Abrams, m Abrams.
Speaker 1: He's been seven years, so seven. Abrams was here for
Speaker 1: seven years, Tom was here for thirty and Walter was
Speaker 1: here for like thirty four. That has a lot of
Speaker 1: experience walking out of the door, I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And Siskowsky, Tom had kind of taken a step back
Speaker 1: in recent years, like you know, the rise of Will
Speaker 1: McClay is because Tom took a step away. But Tom,
Speaker 1: Tom oversaw the drafts that got him Tyring Dez, Sean
Speaker 1: Lee Travis, So um, I want to tell that story.
Speaker 1: I'm with Tom, with the envelope. Oh yeah, tell it.
Speaker 1: He can't get in trouble, non Na. No, it's not
Speaker 1: really anything back because nothing happened. I'm two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: We Coupley's had the twenty first pick in the draft
Speaker 1: and he um, he comes up Weird Valley Ranch. He
Speaker 1: comes up the stairs to our office and he has
Speaker 1: this envelope and it is taped as good as you
Speaker 1: could tape anything. He's like, do not open until draft Day.
Speaker 1: And it's like two weeks before the draft, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: and he would come up a couple of times, You're like,
Speaker 1: where is it. I'm like, I haven't opened it. Tom.
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, and I don't even know what They
Speaker 1: had the twenty first pick. They're thinking running back. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of running back, Stephen Jackson one of them.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure you've heard this story several times, right, yea.
Speaker 1: So anyways, the draft goes on and they're about to
Speaker 1: pick twenty first and then they trade out of it.
Speaker 1: They trade the pick to the Bills, and then it's
Speaker 1: like that's the biggest letdown in the world. You know,
Speaker 1: you get next year's one and they don't have anything.
Speaker 1: Then all these running backs go and son. Then it
Speaker 1: goes to the second round, and then that they have
Speaker 1: Tatum Bell is supposed to be the guy they're gonna take,
Speaker 1: because you know, he was told he was gonna come here.
Speaker 1: They don't take him. They ended up taking Julius Jones,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Okay, It's like, wow, everything changed. So then
Speaker 1: we write this story. Then later that night I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess I can open this now. It's this little
Speaker 1: piece of paper and it just says Julius Jones on it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he gave me that two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: This guy was never supposed to be in the first round, right,
Speaker 1: they didn't know they were gonna trade, or maybe they did.
Speaker 1: Maybe they did. I talked about that with Will when
Speaker 1: he came on the Draft shows, like and you got
Speaker 1: to prepare for all contingencies. You know, they didn't know
Speaker 1: they were gonna draft Connor McGovern. But in the grand
Speaker 1: scheme of things, you know, fans see the draft is
Speaker 1: like just hundreds and hundreds of names and anything's possible.
Speaker 1: These teams they know exactly what they want by all
Speaker 1: the time, who they want. By the time April comes around,
Speaker 1: they now exactly who they want. Tony Pollard was already
Speaker 1: like on some because somebody's board, Like I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna Pollard here before the draft. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were gonna take him. Will said he was smitten
Speaker 1: by Pollard at the Senior Bowl. I mean, and maybe
Speaker 1: that didn't mean he was gonna draft him, but like
Speaker 1: he was on their radar three weeks after the season.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, if they love him, but they
Speaker 1: know he's up fourth, fifth round pick whatever, right, If
Speaker 1: they know that, then when they get faced with the
Speaker 1: question of, well, there's this other guys sitting here in
Speaker 1: the second round, they usually are like, yeah, but we
Speaker 1: can wait a route and still get our guy that
Speaker 1: we really love. And so that's why they end up
Speaker 1: in a lot of instances with the guys they love,
Speaker 1: because each team has a different flavor of what they like.
Speaker 1: Whence you get ouside that first round, it just seems
Speaker 1: like it's kind of whatever you whatever, you love, whatever
Speaker 1: your flavor is, and there might be one or two
Speaker 1: teams that might have the same love for that player,
Speaker 1: but the whole league doesn't love hi life and you
Speaker 1: don't really kind of know going into the draft wad.
Speaker 1: Each team's needs and warrants are, so you walking down.
Speaker 1: Tom actually did that two more times. He did it
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven and he was right again.
Speaker 1: Third round pick James Martin was not a good pick.
Speaker 1: A tackle, not a good pick. Did he ever play
Speaker 1: a game? He barely, but he was not very good.
Speaker 1: And then he did it in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: They had the twenty first pick again. I believe Jenkins
Speaker 1: and he actually know he missed it. He had the
Speaker 1: running back from Oregon that went to the Panthers. I
Speaker 1: can't forgetting his Jonathan Stuart. He had him and he
Speaker 1: went like twelfth to the Panthers. But he thought that
Speaker 1: that too the Cowboys were going to take there, and
Speaker 1: then instead it took Felix. Stuart would have been Stewart
Speaker 1: just retired a Panther And when you get to do that,
Speaker 1: you usually had a pretty good care. Um, it isn't so.
Speaker 1: Walter and Abrams are in Oakland with Mike Mayock and
Speaker 1: John Gruden. Now interesting. I'll be curious to see what
Speaker 1: who and who Walter, Julife and Jimmy two scouts that left.
Speaker 1: They're both with the Raiders now. Um, the last time
Speaker 1: Walter was a national scout. He's been doing this since
Speaker 1: before I was alive. Um, there's a lot of young
Speaker 1: scouts on this staff that they could conceivably promote, because
Speaker 1: you know, you have like four national scouts and then
Speaker 1: you have like eight regional guys who oversee a different
Speaker 1: part of the country. So it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: if they promote one of their guys up to the
Speaker 1: national position, or maybe if they don't feel like they
Speaker 1: have anybody that's ready, they could hire another one. And
Speaker 1: as far as I know, they haven't made any decisions.
Speaker 1: Something to watch. They got those young guys out on
Speaker 1: the road. They're paying their dues right now. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they got. They have a few guys that
Speaker 1: are are pretty new to the I mean when you
Speaker 1: can when you consider Walter doing this for thirty years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I wonder, you know, maybe maybe they feel really
Speaker 1: good about one of those guys, or maybe they look elsewhere. Well,
Speaker 1: the only time we'll tell how that changes in the
Speaker 1: scouting process here for the Cowboys. In the meantime, that
Speaker 1: is all for today. They do have the Cowboys Home
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Speaker 1: interesting things happening this offseason in the meantime for Nicki
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