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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a break? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely ready

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Speaker 1: time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with Nick,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Break. This is an exciting day. The

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Speaker 1: whole crew is back together. It's in a while. Are

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Speaker 1: you happy? Nick? You've been asking for it. I mean

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have I think I've been here. Everyone

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Speaker 1: has been flipping around. That's all good. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's just start off with with some injuries. It's April,

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Speaker 1: mid April, and we're still some injuries. Waits. This thing

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Speaker 1: is moving. It's did you realize into a little over

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Speaker 1: two months, we'll be an oxnark We'll be on that

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Speaker 1: plane real quick. That's crazy. I'm not Hey, it's already

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Speaker 1: like it's eighty five degrees outside right now. I'm ready

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Speaker 1: for it. Let's go. Ready to get back to California

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Speaker 1: and California weather. Let's get on the grind football. It

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Speaker 1: was cold, that's pretty cool. Last week, but she did

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Speaker 1: was she? She pulled out the notes the last time

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Speaker 1: we were together, it was like, all right mid April

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Speaker 1: or I don't even know if that. I think it

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Speaker 1: was Wad. It might have been like, yeah, we didn't

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Speaker 1: even start that show. Nope. Well mid May, we're already

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Speaker 1: talking about injuries. First one on the list, of course,

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton, who was recovering from a shoulder injury. And

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Speaker 1: are you shoulder surgery? Neck area? Everything good? I'm good.

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna be ready for training camp? Now? I

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Speaker 1: won't be able to run until training camp, but I'll

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Speaker 1: hear her, man, glad to hear it, boss Man. If

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Speaker 1: you guys see the if you're watching the actual video,

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Speaker 1: you can see Derek. Yeah, on the neck. Yeah, it's disturbing,

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Speaker 1: but that's where the incisions that happened. It's a band aid. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: next one on the list, running back my Webber. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Mike Webber. He he had an MRI. He was limped

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Speaker 1: have an update because I think Dave was looking outside

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Speaker 1: But I think he's okay. Like it's not a big

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Speaker 1: But he's okay. Always did he have any injury history

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Speaker 1: coming in? Not anything significant? No, And that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: a guy I knew about their shoulder injury from him

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Speaker 1: It happened. It just happened with another team as well

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Speaker 1: So I just think that's something. Would you imagine some

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Speaker 1: with and he also he he's not slow, but he's

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Speaker 1: the house, you know what I mean, not really. I

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Speaker 1: mean he's I don't think every play, but I think

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Speaker 1: guy that can take it the distance. He's shown that

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Speaker 1: He's he's very good on the screen pass. We've seen

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Speaker 1: that a million times. I don't think he's housed to

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Speaker 1: run for more than like thirty yards away in since

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Speaker 1: his rookie year. That's true. And so what I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't count run versus I mean run pass either way.

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Speaker 1: You take it the distance, you take it the distance

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean to me, he's a threat when

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Speaker 1: I look at it. Yeah, And I mean, wasn't it

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Speaker 1: with them all? Yeah? He had a really long one.

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Speaker 1: Like he could touch the ball twice in a game.

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Speaker 1: And I think video game is what he's right, which

448
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Speaker 1: you know, Zeke's not that guy. Like I think Zeke

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Speaker 1: needs a high volume of carries to make that impact

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Speaker 1: that is because that has to be factored into this

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Speaker 1: promote John Kinna, Let's talk about him and let's promote

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Speaker 1: I think there was there was a mixture of responses

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Speaker 1: for anybody that you're coaching. But what are some of

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Speaker 1: history of coaching, not necessarily in the NFL level, But

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Speaker 1: what is he able to bring differently to the coaching part. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's you know, he has coached high school, you know before,

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Speaker 1: and I know that that that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: have coach high school. That that's not what's going in

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Speaker 1: to get him, you know, Dack to the next level.

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Speaker 1: It's the fact that he has been a backup quarterback

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Speaker 1: for fifteen sixteen years. He started a few years as well,

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Speaker 1: but he's been a quarterback in this league for a

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Speaker 1: long time. That's what's gonna help Dack the most. But

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Speaker 1: what he said about being elite, he said that is

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Speaker 1: the toughest thing to do in life, not just in sports,

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Speaker 1: good at getting it to the next level and being

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Speaker 1: being elite. Because what happens is is that he called

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Speaker 1: at the land of good enough, I'm good enough I'm

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Speaker 1: good enough to do this right now. I do I

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Speaker 1: need to get up at six am because I'm good

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Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I can get up. I can get

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Speaker 1: there seven thirty or eight up being that next group.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I can go out here. I don't need

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Speaker 1: to watch this other tape because I know I'm good

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Speaker 1: enough when we get out on Sunday, I'm good enough,

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Speaker 1: And he said. He talked about Tiger Woods. He talked

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Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan. He talks about specific things that they

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Speaker 1: did to get better. Michael Jordan was great enough, but

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Speaker 1: decided that he wanted to be a three point shooter.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to have that in his game. And then

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Speaker 1: then he wanted later in his career to be a

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Speaker 1: post up guy, and then then he was unstoppable. He

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Speaker 1: also mentioned Tiger Woods. Before he started winning a lot

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Speaker 1: of majors in a row, he had about eighteen months

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Speaker 1: a swing a little bit, so taking steps backwards to

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Speaker 1: go forward. When he was saying all that about good enough,

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Speaker 1: all I could think of was David Irving. I was

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Speaker 1: just thinking David Irving in his mind thinks or thought

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Speaker 1: he was good enough. To go out and play party

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Speaker 1: end of the night before not going to He said it,

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Speaker 1: he said, I'm good enough to do this, but the

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Speaker 1: problem is he didn't want to be great or elite

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Speaker 1: and he could have best. Yeah, and that's what I

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Speaker 1: hope that Dak wants to do here. Yeah, it made

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Speaker 1: me think of my hero, Jay Cutler, and to be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, because that it reminds me of Jay Cutler,

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Speaker 1: because Jay Cutler is like the epitome of like I'm

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Speaker 1: good at He's like I got a cannon arm and

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Speaker 1: you know, like I've been here and done that. Like

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Speaker 1: you want to pay me to play quarterback? Hell yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll play quarterback. But like I never got the impression

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Speaker 1: in a decade of his career that he cared about

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Speaker 1: being great, you know. And then that's fine. Not everybody's

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Speaker 1: like that, But I do think Dak has that drive

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Speaker 1: and I love I love the pairing of Kittena there.

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Speaker 1: He had another great quote when he talked to us

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Speaker 1: about you know, he was like I've done this, Like

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Speaker 1: He's like I can tell you right now, Like you

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Speaker 1: make that throw in that coverage, Like I've thrown that

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Speaker 1: pick before, so you don't need to I've thrown that

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Speaker 1: pick for you go over here, which like he's that's

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Speaker 1: That's a such an interesting perspective for me because John

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Speaker 1: Kitten had did this for a long time. He was

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Speaker 1: pretty good at it. For he was pretty good at

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Speaker 1: it for a little while. He was never you know,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't that guy. He wasn't Brady or even close

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Speaker 1: to it. But he's been through the wars more than

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Speaker 1: anybody can imagine. So you know, we've been clamoring for

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Speaker 1: him to have that experienced voice for ever, like this

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Speaker 1: is it. He might not be in the huddle, but

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Speaker 1: that dude seemed just about everything you could expect an

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Speaker 1: NFL quarterback to a scene. And he's going to be

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Speaker 1: watching tape with Dak for the foreseeable future. I think

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Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. You know, I actually thought about the

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Speaker 1: thought about it from the flip side and Tony and

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Speaker 1: you remember what Tony you suck about how every offseason

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Speaker 1: he would take one thing, one thing that he would

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Speaker 1: isolate on and say, I'm going to get better at this.

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Speaker 1: And I remember talking one year he was saying it.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember what the skill was or what the

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Speaker 1: asset was he was working on but he was literally

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Speaker 1: in his living room all summer, all the offseason, throwing

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Speaker 1: footballs into his couch and certain pillows, and it was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he was trying to get rid

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Speaker 1: of his get a quicker release or what, but he

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Speaker 1: was saying he was just firing footballs into his couch,

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Speaker 1: into the pillows, and again, it just it just underscores

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Speaker 1: why maybe a guy like him that was undrafted could

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Speaker 1: get to the level that he got to relative to

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Speaker 1: say a Jay Cutler, who was everybody would probably agree

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Speaker 1: had way more skill and talent coming in the door,

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Speaker 1: but didn't reach a real high level over his success.

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Speaker 1: One of the most physically gifted quarterbacks to come through

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Speaker 1: the league in recent memory, and I played like had

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Speaker 1: a pretty good career all things considered, but like never

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Speaker 1: really reached that Jeff George's an example from our time

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Speaker 1: is when we a little younger. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: those kind of guys come and go all the time,

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Speaker 1: and you can get to that point where you're pretty good.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's gotten two Pro Bowls in three years, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good, But there's a whole other level of

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Speaker 1: greatness that he can get to if he really works out.

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Speaker 1: I thought. What was interesting too is he's coached high

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Speaker 1: then wats A Hatchie for four or five and his

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Speaker 1: But he said, this is the first time he's gotten

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to really teach the fundamentals. He said, you

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Speaker 1: They don't know anything. They don't understand the difference between

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Speaker 1: you know, one, you know, misstep here and all that.

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Speaker 1: And he said, now you can bring it up to

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Speaker 1: the to the NFL, and his example was Jason Witten.

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Speaker 1: He said, miss, you know, missteps or that's what he eliminates.

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Speaker 1: That's Jason's fall steps. Yeah, that's what he has eliminated

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Speaker 1: So it's it's really taken away the bad plays more

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Speaker 1: initially would imagine that's where you start that's where you

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Speaker 1: start with the fundamentals and you try to teach everything

638
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: right from the beginning. But the fact that, yeah, you

639
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: can't compare high school students versus people that are playing

640
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL and the amount of care and the

641
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: amount of understanding that people have between the two. What

642
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: you can get away with in high school it's a

643
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: lot different than what you can get away with the NFL.

644
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Like the small things will get you sacked or get

645
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: an interception in the NFL. In high school, you can

646
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: make a lot of mistakes, and because you're just so

647
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: much talented everybody else, you can score touchdown. Like that's

648
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of these guys are at the end.

649
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm I would bet most guys in the NFL locker

650
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: rooms are guys that they dominated the other kids in

651
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: high school and its completely dominated them, and a lot

652
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: of them probably had no technique. No, it was just

653
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: all about the fact that they had the raw ability

654
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: to do it. I mean, it's it's like, that's why

655
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks probably shouldn't be teaching, you know, or coaching

656
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: in high school like a sixteen year veteran. I mean,

657
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: it's like Jeff Gordon's gonna teach driver's ed. I mean

658
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: it's like you you don't need to do that, that

659
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: would be interesting. Yeah, I mean it's just like you

660
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: need to take this sixteen years of experience and and

661
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: and do it, you know, with with players that actually

662
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: understand that, not seventeen year olds that are also thinking

663
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: about the prom and where they're gonna go to school

664
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: and football they're going to take to Was it you

665
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: or Rob that Donovan Wilson is from North Louisiana And actually, like,

666
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I guess it seems kind of hard to believe, but

667
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: he's only like two years younger than Dak. I guess

668
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: he's from North Louisiana where Dak is from. And they

669
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: played in high school and uh I asked that. Yeah,

670
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: Well Donovan was like he was like, yeah, he beat us.

671
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: And Nick asked Dack about He's like, oh, yeah, like

672
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: they couldn't what was it the high school for um,

673
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: what's the wood Lane or something like that. Donovan went

674
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: to Woodland, went to Houghton. He was like, He's like,

675
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: they couldn't do anything. They couldn't they couldn't touch me. Yeah,

676
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: you couldn't do anything with him. They had nothing for me,

677
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: which like and literally they probably didn't touch him the

678
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: whole game, and that's really didn't touch him. Every guy

679
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: in the NFL was that guy in college or excuse me,

680
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: high school, and some of them were that they got

681
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: in college, right exactly, someone that don't even make it

682
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: to the NFL with that guy in college, I think

683
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: that would be cool to see that. You know, guys

684
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: that we look at and you know, they get a

685
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: bad rap. I mean, I'll say it because he's he's

686
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: kind of been the punchline here lately, but I mean

687
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: it would be cool to just look at Taco highlights

688
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: for high school just like killing people. Oh I know,

689
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was. They all were people, yeah, but

690
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's and no one's gonna be that impressed

691
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: because a lot of people that are listening to this

692
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: show probably rocked it in high school too. I mean,

693
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: that's that's the way it is. But um, Derek probably

694
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: were a high school star. I pay for anybody, I know,

695
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: that's shocking. Position do you play? I play safety and

696
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: wide receiver. But then my bat got broke up. So

697
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: that was all for that, Yeah, all of that, you know,

698
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: this whole John Kinna thing makes me even more excited,

699
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: just because when you get somebody that's coaching people that

700
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily at the level that you're wanting, and then

701
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: you get to be at the position that you are

702
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: now having somebody that does care enough or knows enough

703
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: it's professional and all of that, it makes you even

704
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: more excited to coach that person. Now, let's talk about

705
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore and his new position here. We we got

706
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: to talk to him during this time. Obviously, there's not

707
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: much different because nothing has really happened during the rookie minicam.

708
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: There's nothing real football practice is happening, so it's kind

709
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: of boring. But what were some of the things that

710
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: Callen was able to say that maybe got you a

711
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: little bit excited hopefully or motivated you to something to

712
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: look forward to as being kind of different in this

713
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: whole offense and some of the things that he's planning

714
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: them doing. I was listening to Kit now and they

715
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: talked at the same time, Thanks pr and they I

716
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: think one of the things he did he did say

717
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: which you know he's probably gonna say this at the time,

718
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: but he wanted to get everybody. I mean, I think

719
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: he talked about trying to get multiple people involved in

720
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: the offense, which I guess that's natural, you would you

721
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: would want to say that. But he, you know, he's

722
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: got a lot of you know, weapons, and they want

723
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: to make sure that the Randall Cobbs of the world,

724
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: that everybody you know, really spread the ball around. And

725
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: that sounds great. That sounds great until you lose a

726
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: game in Washington and then you come back and be like,

727
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: why don't you just get the ball to Cooper or

728
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: why don't you get the ball to Zeke? You know,

729
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: that all sounds good now, but um, you know, let's see,

730
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: let's see what it looks like. I don't want to

731
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: be away blanket, but like that's just that's my role,

732
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: I guess, which actually it's not. I want I want

733
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: to rephrase that because like, I don't think I've ever

734
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: felt is optimistic about a Cowboys team as I do

735
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 1: this one. Like there's a lot of interest. Keep hearing

736
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: that from different people, Yeah, the national people. I keep

737
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: hearing that, and I don't really like that. I don't

738
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: like it's an uncomfortable spotlight with everybody. But you know what,

739
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: this team doesn't handle it well too. That a typically

740
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: and you got to you gotta put them in different

741
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: categories because it's a different team. But you right, You're right,

742
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: it does. Do you say tough tough? Yeah, yeah, that

743
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: wasn't drop. I said, tough, tough, cookies, deal with it.

744
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: Biggest football team in the world. Sorry, there's a spotlight

745
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: on you. Oh no, spotlights always there. But when people

746
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: are talking good about him in point, I'm making the

747
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: point which I think I'm scared of my own optimism

748
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: because I'm so used to being a pessimist, which you know,

749
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: I could say I could talk to till them blue

750
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: in the face. I think there's a lot of reasons

751
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: to be excited about Kelly Moore. I just said, like,

752
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: I think John Kitten is going to prove to be

753
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: an amazing hire, but like I just want to see it. Yeah,

754
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, I stood out here and sweated last year

755
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: talking to Scott Linehan about like, is tavan or receiver

756
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: or running back? Why can't he be both? He's gonna

757
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: do this, He's a web back. He's gonna get two

758
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: dozen touches a game. Like, just show me, just do something.

759
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Do it, be interesting, be fun and innovative because we

760
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of it over the last four years.

761
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: You know, what's hard for me is to even picture

762
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: any of this because yes, there was a big change

763
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: at the position at an offensive coordinator, but at the

764
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: same time, it was someone that has been here, someone

765
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: that was very close to scotd. Linahan. So it's like

766
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: there is the change, but at the same time, you

767
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: don't feel the change, like really feel it. So it's

768
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: hard to even picture how different this whole offense is

769
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: going to be in the near future. I don't know

770
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: if you guys can't even imagine any of that as

771
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: far as I mean every time drastic changes, every time

772
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: you talk about any player, any you know how this

773
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: guy's gonna do this year, you do have to to

774
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: factor that in, like this is new. I mean the

775
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is different, and so um that's it's actually

776
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: a good thing. Though it's not a bad thing. It's

777
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: just it's just it's hard to look at like, oh,

778
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: Jason Whitton. Now we know what Whitten is, well, yeah,

779
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: we think, but do we know him like this? We

780
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: know Randall Cobb in this offense? Do we know what

781
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: Cooper is going to be in this Tavon and this offense,

782
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a good thing to be like,

783
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 1: you know that that can kind of bring a level

784
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: of excitement because with Lenahan, he kind of knew what

785
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: it was going to be and it's gotten to the

786
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: point where then they needed to make a change. Well,

787
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: here's here's why pessimism comes in. And I guess me

788
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: and Dave are flipping a little bit. But here's what

789
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: my pessimism comes in is, I don't know how much

790
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: influence Jason has over that and how much influence he

791
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: exerts over the play caller on the offensive side of

792
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: the ball, because if if it's a lot, then although

793
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: there may be a different person who's actually saying, Okay,

794
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: here's the play, the whole the overall ideology about what

795
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: they're trying to do on any given play still revolves

796
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: around Jason's philosophy, which means it doesn't change drastically. There

797
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: may be some slight nuance or maybe some slight changes,

798
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it's still the

799
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: same philosophical base, right, And that's where I don't know,

800
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: and I don't know that answer. I don't know. I

801
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: don't know that any of us know that answer. You

802
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: would have to be in the coaches meeting to know

803
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: that answer. But that's the part that makes me a

804
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: little bit pessimists. Well, you know, Jason doesn't like change,

805
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: but if Kellen Moore and you know, if somebody doesn't

806
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: call the right plays, he's gonna make a big change

807
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: next January. And we all know that about wear Navy anymore.

808
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying that here's a lot of teams

809
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: in the league that we're near right or or in

810
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: the acc But what I'm saying is is I think

811
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: that that he's going to I mean I say all

812
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: that to say he will be involved because he is.

813
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: That is that the great Because honestly, I think you

814
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: want him to be a little bit more hands off

815
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: and let Kellen call this offense because I think what

816
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: the reason they hired him is because they want him

817
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: to be innovative and different and try new things and

818
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: try to use these pieces in different ways and make

819
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: the offense more dynamic, all those things. I think, if

820
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: you're going to really get the benefit of that, then

821
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: you gotta let him do his job right. The scary

822
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: part is, now, if I want to be pessimistic, I'll

823
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: say he came from the Lenahan coaching. I don't he

824
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: was baby Linhan. I don't, I don't. I don't buy

825
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: that one and I don't have which one part. I

826
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: don't buy that baby. That's a weird phrase. But you

827
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: are influenced by the people you hang out, you are,

828
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: but he was around Lenahan a lot, so he was

829
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: very much influenced by him. This you're that's fair. He's

830
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: been Lenahan's guy going back to Detroit and NFL fans

831
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: hate to hear this, which is funny because you see

832
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: the influence at the college game is having on this

833
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: league every single year. So I don't want to buy that.

834
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean, the Arizona Cardinals what they did and is

835
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: so about college and we'll see if it works, but

836
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: obviously the league is paying attention. Before he ever met

837
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: Scotland Ahan, Kellen Moore was a badass. Like people want

838
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: to write that off. As an I avid college football fan,

839
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: I watched that guy for four years, like I know,

840
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: and again that goes that goes back to the point

841
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: is like, great, you were a badass in college. It

842
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything in the NFL. But like he's got

843
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: the mind for it. It's not his fault that he's

844
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: five nine and it wasn't his data coach. Yes, he's

845
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: the son of a coach, he'd been around football, he

846
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: spends his whole life around it. Set the college football

847
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: record for wins in a career, and like, not just that,

848
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: but his offenses at Boise were fun. Don't find the tape,

849
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: it's there, and they did it in big games, like

850
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: they did crazy stuff in big game. Protege of Chris Peterson,

851
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: who has been one of the best coaches in college

852
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: football for more than a decade, that like there's a

853
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: lot more there than him following Scotland Ahan around for

854
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: four years. So that doesn't bother me. It does bother

855
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: me that it's on Jason Garrett to let him mind

856
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: that talent, so to speak. And I mean, yeah, like

857
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: there's no way to know what's going to happen with that.

858
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: There's absolutely no way for me to sit here and

859
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: say it'll happen this way, because ultimately it's up to

860
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: the head coach. You always talk about him being on

861
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: the hot seat. I mean this one is really burdening,

862
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: like you can barely sit on it. So there's two

863
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: there's two schools of thought. With that, like I can

864
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: see it crystal clear, Like you're right, they need to

865
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: change and score points and move the ball or they'll

866
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: be looking for jobs. Jason Garrett could also think we need,

867
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: you know, three or four more points a game gets

868
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: us to the soup. And you know they average twenty

869
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: two last year. If that number is twenty six this year,

870
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: which isn't a drastic change, and the defense stays as

871
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: good as it was, if you're better. If I know

872
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, his mindset is like we're this close to

873
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: being where we want to be, Like we don't need

874
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: wholesale changes, Like that's that's what I think. And so

875
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: maybe I'll give you three plays a game you can call,

876
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: and the rest of them I'm calling. I don't think

877
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: the yeah, we'll talk about this. I guess next, you know,

878
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: a segment. But I think the defense is going to

879
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: be better maybe. And I'm just saying that's just that.

880
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: Those are the ifs that you're dealing with. When you

881
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: say I wonder for a few more points, I don't

882
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: wonder how it takes a set step back. It would

883
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: have to be an injury. I think, well, let's go

884
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: ahead and take a final break and when we come back,

885
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921
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: the final segment of the break, Nay hinted at the

922
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense and before we fully dive into that, what's

923
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: an off season without some drama surrounding the Cowboys? We

924
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: got Tyrone Crawford who is facing a misdemeanor from back

925
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: in late March something that happened I believe in Florida

926
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: or something like that. Um, do you know the whole

927
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: story of what happened there, Dave? Um? Well, I mean video,

928
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, thanks to TMZ, I mean, you can

929
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: go find it was. It was a bar altercation, you know,

930
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: which those are always fun to try to get to

931
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: the bottom of, like why it started and who's in

932
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: the wrong. But I mean Tyrone's on video shoving people

933
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: and getting after it with security guards. That's that's not

934
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: a great pretty good too? What's that he held his own? Yeah,

935
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: I mean he's an NFL football player. Yeah, Like the

936
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: bouncer wasn't little he like so but like still like bouncers.

937
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: It's so Again, if you don't see these guys in person,

938
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: it's hard to really understand, like how massive you've seen

939
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: a bar bouncer and these guys are like bouncing off

940
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford like it's it was pretty funny, but so

941
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: it's funny. It's funny, Like there's nothing new in this

942
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: story except I think NFL dot Com I think probably

943
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: looked at the paperwork yesterday and realized that he had

944
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: been charged. All this happened like a month ago. Like

945
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: Tyrone he pled not guilty in April. He was charged

946
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: in March, so like nothing new has technically happened. It

947
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: has just been brought to light in the media in

948
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: the last couple of days. So he's got a hearing

949
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: in June. What does the NFL do well? I mean

950
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys know this, Yeah, I know the NFL.

951
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: You know. The rumor was that the NFL was like

952
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: they went down and asked the bar for their security tapes,

953
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: like within two days of it happening, so like they're

954
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: gonna do what they're gonna do. I mean, I would

955
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: be equally unsurprised if nothing comes of it, or if

956
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: he gets multiple games I spend in my shot if

957
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: nothing comes of it, just knowing that the history of

958
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: what this league particular, I shouldn't say the league what

959
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: Goodell does in these kinds of situations, all we know

960
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: is or what we know is, he doesn't necessarily need

961
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: proof that you did something wrong. What he needs proof

962
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: of is that you did something that embarrassed the NFL. Yeah,

963
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: and if he feels like what you did embarrass the

964
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: NFL in any way, then he gets he takes punitive damage.

965
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: And so to me, I look at this and I'm

966
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: assuming there's gonna be some kind of punishment, whether it's money,

967
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: whether it's games. I don't anticipate it will be a

968
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: lot of games if it is games, But I would

969
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: expect at this point, regardless of what happens in the court,

970
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: if they look at that film and they feel like

971
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: he had a chance to walk away and he didn't

972
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: and instead he stood there and pushed and punched, then

973
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: they're probably going to If again, if history serves correct

974
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: and what he's been doing and he continues with that

975
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: level of passing out punishment, expect there's going to be

976
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: probably some punishment. I would be a fool to try

977
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: to predict it. I don't know, Like they do whatever

978
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: they want, and they do it on their own timeline.

979
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: Like you know, Tyrone's gonna have his hearing on June thirteenth.

980
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: I bet Goodell will issue his verdict on September fifth,

981
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: Like just whatever, yea, yeah, It's just that's random the

982
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: time they do like, they do whatever they want and

983
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: they can. And I was looking at the home Run

984
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: derby participants. He's not among them. Yeah, Jordy looked that up. Yeah,

985
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: you think you might get a chance to talk to it.

986
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: I wonder how, I mean it wasn't going to be

987
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: a chance to talk about him? Is just this awkward,

988
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, at the risk of sounding cynical, I mean,

989
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford's a two time team captain. He lives in Frisco,

990
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: Like he is exactly for those of you all that

991
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: don't know, they're they're doing their annual charity home run

992
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: derby tonight, you know, they go hit ball there he

993
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: come check it out. Yeah, come out to the rough

994
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: Riders Ballpark up on Frisco. Yeah. Um. But anyways, like

995
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: he's he's exactly the type of guy that would be

996
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: there for this and he has many times, and so

997
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced it's a coincidence that he's not taking

998
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: part this year. Well, because what happens is that they swing,

999
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: you know, they get like ten outs and they come

1000
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: out and they interview them, and you know it's just

1001
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: gonna be kind of weird to be like, so what

1002
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: you think you know that that third one you get

1003
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: over the fence? Did you play in high school? Yeah? Yeah,

1004
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: And then it's like, I think you're gonna get You're

1005
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: gonna get suspended. Yep. Yeah. And I don't blame me

1006
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: the from mess standpoint, I'm blaming Oh no, no, no no,

1007
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer. I would not I would

1008
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: not come nearer that if I were. I don't blame

1009
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: him at all. Well that's another question mark. Then for

1010
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: the Cowboy's defense. You don't know what's going to happen there.

1011
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: You don't know what's gonna happen with Randy Gregory. Now

1012
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: when we talk about what some of the sets that

1013
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: could happen throughout the season, well, you know, the good

1014
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: thing is is they drafted a you know, second round

1015
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 1: pick that looks like he could come in and play.

1016
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: And they also signed and this should be mentioned first,

1017
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: they signed Robert Quinn, whom you know we'll be able

1018
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: to help on the other side there. So if Gregory

1019
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: doesn't play, you've got Quinn there. If um, I mean

1020
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 1: if Crawford. I mean, he's not going to be suspending

1021
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: for that long. It's the most I would think a

1022
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: game at the most. All due respect to both of

1023
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: those guys, I like them both a lot. Tyrone is

1024
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: one of my favorite people on the team. Um, did

1025
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: you there, are they starters? Yeah? I don't. I don't. Honestly,

1026
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't think so right now. The way it looks,

1027
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: let's assume you get back everybody you think you're going

1028
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: to get back. I don't think so. Now let's assume

1029
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: for a second. Then maybe they don't feel like DeMarcus

1030
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: is right yet by the beginning of the season, I

1031
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: could see them saying, let's let's put Tyrone in there.

1032
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: That's fair. But outside of that, if if Tank is back,

1033
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: I don't anticipate that Crawford would be just gonna have

1034
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: an issue. But you said they who are your referring

1035
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: to Gregory? And maybe he's a Nickel starter. Maybe he's

1036
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: one of the four that's out there when they go

1037
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: to Nickel. Possibly. You know the Giants game, I mean,

1038
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: are you are you are we sure that that the

1039
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: I was going to play in that game? No, okay,

1040
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that Gregory's gonna play him. You better

1041
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: not be sure. No, Uh, no, one could be. Uh.

1042
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure Crawford's gonna play. No, are we sure Taco's

1043
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: gonna play now? No, you can't be sure because he

1044
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: may be benched, he may not be good enough. Are

1045
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: Jones just gonna play? So when you start talking about

1046
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: everyone getting excited about the defense and oh, we're looking

1047
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: so good, it's it's May, it's May fifteen, these are

1048
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: the type of no, I mean, these are all These

1049
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: are all legitimate concerns that you should have Byron Jones

1050
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: had hip surgery not very long ago. I think Tank

1051
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: is finally out of the sling. I think, um, so

1052
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: that's a good sign. But your linebackers are there and

1053
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: they're healthy and there, y'all. Okay, that's not late. Like

1054
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: apparently there's some talk that he's gonna be the Sam linebacker.

1055
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: Now he's gonna be really Yeah, And if you've if

1056
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: that work, well, it works because if you looked at him,

1057
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: he has been eating his wheediesk up. Yes, Shaun Lee

1058
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: looks like like Williams has bulked up. It's a different

1059
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: type of bulking, very different, hopefully. Connor I got a

1060
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: picture of Connor and I was like, no, he's holy crap,

1061
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: he is two of him now. He is not the

1062
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: same guy that he was. Shaun Lee's kind of got

1063
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: the pizza body going. If take like you know he

1064
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: is brought up here, you know, yeah, yeah, oh yeah,

1065
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: he's got that look. Yeah, it's like a body builder type. Yeah. Oh, guy,

1066
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: he looks bulked. Got a good idea for a guy

1067
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: that's on the older end of his on the the

1068
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: end towards the end of his career. If it's a

1069
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: good idea, but it looks good, it makes your group

1070
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: look good. Your group. Linebacker Raco Gathers has made the

1071
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: tight end group look good for four years. Had nah

1072
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: he hasn't. Yeah he had. Here we go. When you

1073
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: walk out of the bus, when you get off the bus,

1074
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying, right about Sean Lee. Yes, but

1075
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: not the guy walks off the bus burs right. It's

1076
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: a way to get him on the field. And at

1077
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: the end of the day you're on you're talking about

1078
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: the snaps. I mean, I'm not upset about it because

1079
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: I ultimately, if you can get him on the field,

1080
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: those other two linebackers, there's nothing bad about that in

1081
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: my opinion, I just wanted from his side standpoint, can

1082
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: you do the job? That's I mean, I think that

1083
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: they would be able to play the bass defense more.

1084
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: It maybe not be twenty percent if you if you're

1085
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: strong side linebackers Damian Wilson, maybe you don't play bass

1086
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: that much. But if you're strong side linebacker, is it capable,

1087
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, then you might get to play bass a

1088
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: little bit more, which plays your advantage. Yeah, I love

1089
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: that the line of I mean they always say, though,

1090
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: is you've got to be able to take a beating

1091
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: to play Sam saying that's I mean, it's yeah, it's

1092
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: something to watch. Yeah, but he's say you call him

1093
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: injury prone. Yes, yes, Normally I would be reluctant to

1094
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: say that about a player, but even Shan Lee is

1095
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: the first one who will tell you that this has

1096
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: not been on his side, just not having the right look.

1097
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't anything he did get wrong. It's just like

1098
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: I think that he just happened. If he if he

1099
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: could give you thirty percent of the snaps and Sam

1100
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: and be a good backup for Layton on the week side,

1101
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: that's Austin Twin yeah, that's good. That Well, let's switch

1102
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: gears and talk about some of the guys that have

1103
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: brought some of these players into the whole Cowboys team,

1104
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys have have lost I believe two guy

1105
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: or is it more three? Technically three? Yeah, three guys

1106
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: from the scouting department, which happened. Two guys. Two guys

1107
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: that were here longer than than you've been here, h

1108
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: Tom Siskowski and Walter Julia U. They've been I mean

1109
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: as Tom actually ran this out in department for a

1110
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: few years, I think after Larry Lacewell Um and then

1111
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: and then Jim Abrams is a Jim Abrams, m Abrams.

1112
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: He's been seven years, so seven. Abrams was here for

1113
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: seven years, Tom was here for thirty and Walter was

1114
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: here for like thirty four. That has a lot of

1115
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: experience walking out of the door, I mean, yeah, yeah,

1116
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: And Siskowsky, Tom had kind of taken a step back

1117
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: in recent years, like you know, the rise of Will

1118
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: McClay is because Tom took a step away. But Tom,

1119
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: Tom oversaw the drafts that got him Tyring Dez, Sean

1120
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: Lee Travis, So um, I want to tell that story.

1121
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm with Tom, with the envelope. Oh yeah, tell it.

1122
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: He can't get in trouble, non Na. No, it's not

1123
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: really anything back because nothing happened. I'm two thousand and four.

1124
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: We Coupley's had the twenty first pick in the draft

1125
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: and he um, he comes up Weird Valley Ranch. He

1126
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: comes up the stairs to our office and he has

1127
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: this envelope and it is taped as good as you

1128
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: could tape anything. He's like, do not open until draft Day.

1129
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: And it's like two weeks before the draft, and I'm like,

1130
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: and he would come up a couple of times, You're like,

1131
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: where is it. I'm like, I haven't opened it. Tom.

1132
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, and I don't even know what They

1133
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: had the twenty first pick. They're thinking running back. There's

1134
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: a lot of running back, Stephen Jackson one of them.

1135
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: So I'm sure you've heard this story several times, right, yea.

1136
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: So anyways, the draft goes on and they're about to

1137
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: pick twenty first and then they trade out of it.

1138
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: They trade the pick to the Bills, and then it's

1139
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: like that's the biggest letdown in the world. You know,

1140
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: you get next year's one and they don't have anything.

1141
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: Then all these running backs go and son. Then it

1142
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: goes to the second round, and then that they have

1143
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: Tatum Bell is supposed to be the guy they're gonna take,

1144
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: because you know, he was told he was gonna come here.

1145
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: They don't take him. They ended up taking Julius Jones,

1146
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Okay, It's like, wow, everything changed. So then

1147
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: we write this story. Then later that night I was like, oh,

1148
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: I guess I can open this now. It's this little

1149
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: piece of paper and it just says Julius Jones on it,

1150
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he gave me that two weeks ago.

1151
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: This guy was never supposed to be in the first round, right,

1152
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: they didn't know they were gonna trade, or maybe they did.

1153
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: Maybe they did. I talked about that with Will when

1154
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: he came on the Draft shows, like and you got

1155
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: to prepare for all contingencies. You know, they didn't know

1156
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: they were gonna draft Connor McGovern. But in the grand

1157
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: scheme of things, you know, fans see the draft is

1158
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: like just hundreds and hundreds of names and anything's possible.

1159
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: These teams they know exactly what they want by all

1160
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: the time, who they want. By the time April comes around,

1161
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: they now exactly who they want. Tony Pollard was already

1162
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: like on some because somebody's board, Like I was like, Okay,

1163
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna Pollard here before the draft. I mean, yeah,

1164
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: they were gonna take him. Will said he was smitten

1165
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: by Pollard at the Senior Bowl. I mean, and maybe

1166
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: that didn't mean he was gonna draft him, but like

1167
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: he was on their radar three weeks after the season.

1168
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: And the thing is, if they love him, but they

1169
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: know he's up fourth, fifth round pick whatever, right, If

1170
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: they know that, then when they get faced with the

1171
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: question of, well, there's this other guys sitting here in

1172
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: the second round, they usually are like, yeah, but we

1173
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: can wait a route and still get our guy that

1174
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: we really love. And so that's why they end up

1175
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of instances with the guys they love,

1176
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: because each team has a different flavor of what they like.

1177
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 1: Whence you get ouside that first round, it just seems

1178
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 1: like it's kind of whatever you whatever, you love, whatever

1179
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: your flavor is, and there might be one or two

1180
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: teams that might have the same love for that player,

1181
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: but the whole league doesn't love hi life and you

1182
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: don't really kind of know going into the draft wad.

1183
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: Each team's needs and warrants are, so you walking down.

1184
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: Tom actually did that two more times. He did it

1185
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven and he was right again.

1186
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: Third round pick James Martin was not a good pick.

1187
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: A tackle, not a good pick. Did he ever play

1188
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: a game? He barely, but he was not very good.

1189
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 1: And then he did it in two thousand and eight.

1190
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: They had the twenty first pick again. I believe Jenkins

1191
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: and he actually know he missed it. He had the

1192
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: running back from Oregon that went to the Panthers. I

1193
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: can't forgetting his Jonathan Stuart. He had him and he

1194
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: went like twelfth to the Panthers. But he thought that

1195
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: that too the Cowboys were going to take there, and

1196
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: then instead it took Felix. Stuart would have been Stewart

1197
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: just retired a Panther And when you get to do that,

1198
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: you usually had a pretty good care. Um, it isn't so.

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00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: Walter and Abrams are in Oakland with Mike Mayock and

1200
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: John Gruden. Now interesting. I'll be curious to see what

1201
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: who and who Walter, Julife and Jimmy two scouts that left.

1202
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: They're both with the Raiders now. Um, the last time

1203
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: Walter was a national scout. He's been doing this since

1204
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: before I was alive. Um, there's a lot of young

1205
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: scouts on this staff that they could conceivably promote, because

1206
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, you have like four national scouts and then

1207
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: you have like eight regional guys who oversee a different

1208
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,479
Speaker 1: part of the country. So it'll be interesting to see

1209
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: if they promote one of their guys up to the

1210
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: national position, or maybe if they don't feel like they

1211
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: have anybody that's ready, they could hire another one. And

1212
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: as far as I know, they haven't made any decisions.

1213
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: Something to watch. They got those young guys out on

1214
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: the road. They're paying their dues right now. Oh yeah,

1215
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: that's what they got. They have a few guys that

1216
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: are are pretty new to the I mean when you

1217
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: can when you consider Walter doing this for thirty years. Yeah,

1218
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: so I wonder, you know, maybe maybe they feel really

1219
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: good about one of those guys, or maybe they look elsewhere. Well,

1220
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: the only time we'll tell how that changes in the

1221
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: scouting process here for the Cowboys. In the meantime, that

1222
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: is all for today. They do have the Cowboys Home

1223
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: Run Derby. That's the name right tonight, So make sure

1224
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: to check out the website for any videos of players

1225
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: are going to be talking and giving some things, hopefully

1226
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: interesting things happening this offseason in the meantime for Nicki

1227
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: and Derek Ingleton. Great to have you back, David Helmet

1228
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Speaker 1: and Burgarcia. This has been the Break on Dallas Cowboys

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