1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Lark Jack is a great passer, and I want to 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: see just some nasty, like physical guy like Taras Marshall Jr. 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: A guy like him that could bring that big body 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: and just give you a little extra something like I 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: know Sammy Watkins is there, but I'd like a little 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: extra some look the Ravens and bend the gold standard 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: that's from the top down, coaches, front office, analytics, everyone, 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: and that's actually a big difference maker because a lot 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: of people's egos getting the way. In some teams, it 10 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: feels like the analytics are like, got youa so the 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: big datable you talked to John Harball and uh, you 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: know what takeaways did you have from that? Let's be honest. 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: Nobody does it better and nobody has used it better, 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: and nobody's more like honest about how they're using it. 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: And what I really noticed about my best friend John 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: was that he could clearly articulate what his expectations were. 17 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: And that is the difference between a successful use of 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: analytics and not. Welcome into the lounge. We have a 19 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: very special guest. The run continues. Garrett. Cynthia Freeland from 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: the NFL Network is gonna be joining us today. Uh, 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: if you followed her work, you've seen that she's an 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: analytics expert. Uh, so she brings like a different kind 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: of look at things. So I'm really excited about this interview. Yeah. 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: And the other thing too is, as we know, the 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: Ravens are a team that really values analytics. They've they've 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: invested in this heavily on the personnel side, on the 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: coaching side over the past several years. So when they're 28 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: making decisions in game, around the draft, around free agency, 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: as they're building the roster, they are taking an analytical 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: approach to everything that they do. And so it's gonna happen. 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna be really valuable to hear what Cynthia has 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: to say. And the other thing too is like this 33 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: is a year, as we've heard from some of the 34 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: experts that we've talked to, like no one really knows 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen this year. Like there's just so much 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: uncertainty about how this draft is going to go. And 37 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: so kind of taking out some of the emotion and 38 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: just talking with somebody who's looking at the numbers, I 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be some real valuable exercise here. Yeah, 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: for all the listeners at home. Of course, you can 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: tune into the draft on the NFL network. They'll have 42 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: live coverage UH from Cleveland April nine through May first, 43 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: to make sure you're tuning for that. It's less than 44 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: a week away, Garrett, it a week away. I can't wait. 45 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: Have you slept? This is? This is the time typically 46 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: where the sleep for you goes out the window because 47 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: you're you're tankering. You'r mankering over the mock draft. I 48 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: know you are. I I literally last night was like 49 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: dozing off on my couch at about eleven o'clock working. 50 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm not even joking. It was like the seriously, like 51 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: the fifth or sixth straight night of me mankering with 52 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: my seven round mof and last night I've like usually 53 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: stayed up past midnight. Last night I was dozing off 54 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: around eleven fifteen, and I was like, that's it. I'm 55 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: just calling it early tonight. I'm going to bed. I'm 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: not doing this again. So yeah, still still more time. Yeah, 57 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: you keep a little notebook on the night stand in 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: case there's any dream that comes to you and any 59 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: premonition to give you the idea of who you're gonna take. Yeah, 60 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: this is Uh. This is the last thing I'll say 61 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: about the mock draft. This is the worst I felt 62 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: so far. I'm all over the place. I've changed my 63 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: pick twenty different times. I'm going down your path. I'm 64 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: going down your path. So it's not good. You can 65 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: email us at the lounge at Ravens at NFL dot net. 66 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: I'll let us know who you want the Ravens to take, uh, 67 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: and also let us know how do you think this 68 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 1: draft is gonna play out. So with that said, let's 69 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: go ahead and jump into her interviews. Since they Freeland, 70 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined by Cynthia Freeland, analytics 71 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: guru for the NFL Network. And Cynthia, this is really 72 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: good because you know, I have to listen to Garrett, 73 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: and Garrett's not that smarter guy, and so now it's 74 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: nice to have a smart person on this podcast. For 75 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: what you know, I'm not that smart there, Cynthia, to 76 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: be honest. So it's good somebody on with some brain power. Yeah, 77 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: you gotta give us, like the a sixth grade version 78 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: of whatever you're talking about here today. That's that's our 79 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: level that we're operating at today. I don't buy that 80 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: for one second, I've heard you guys before number one 81 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: and number two. Anything Ravens is always like the Gold standards, 82 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: So I I'm not buying any I'm not buying any 83 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: of it. Well, it's it's really nice too, because you know, 84 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: you can only read so many standard mock drafts and 85 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: you kind of put a different spin on things with 86 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: the analytical look at mock drafts and kind of breaking 87 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: down the draft from that kind of perspective. So you know, 88 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 1: I want to start here with in which you said 89 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: that l s U wide receiver haterroris Marshall Jr. Kind 90 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: of gives the Ravens the best, Uh, he's the best 91 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: bang for the buck in terms of analytical, in terms 92 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: of adding wins. You know, it's the team, which is 93 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: what it's all about. Right. You said he adds point 94 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: six one wins if the Ravens were to draft him. 95 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: So can you can you explain that a little bit? 96 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: How you figuring that out? Why you think he's such 97 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: a good fit. Well, first and foremost, I wasn't allowed 98 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: to make trades in any of my scenarios, which is 99 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: very difficult because that's I want to trade everything. But 100 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: when you look to see what could be, who could 101 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: be available where the Ravens are picking. And by the way, 102 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: the Ravens never get to pick in a good spot 103 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: because you guys and your seasons so well, always so 104 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: you're always picking quite low in that first round. So 105 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to see who will be available, how 106 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: it will actually play out. I like Terris Michael Marshall Jr. 107 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: Excuse me, because his big body, his contested catch ability, 108 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: and his versatility in alignment. The versatility in alignment, he 109 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: can line up all over anyway they want to deploy 110 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: him anyway they want to use him. And he came 111 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: down with an almost contested catch rate meeting someone was 112 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: in his face, a defender was all over him, and 113 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: he managed to come down with the ball on almost 114 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: It was like eighty one point eight percent of targets, 115 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: so a very high number. And that contested rate is 116 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: really important given the defenses that you have to face 117 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: playing in this division. It's always you have to take 118 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: into account, you know personnel and also who you play 119 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: and if you're playing defenses like the Steelers or like 120 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: the Browns. The Browns has done a really good job 121 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: this offseason adding to their defense you're gonna want to 122 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: come down with someone who can make those contested catches, 123 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: so you I want to talk a little bit more 124 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: about that. But I thought you made an interesting point 125 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: about the trades. How you is that just because you 126 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: like to try to work out those trades, or you 127 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: look at where the Ravens are and you think that 128 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: they are going to try to trade from number twenty seven. 129 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think they can trade 130 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: up too far or too low. They're really good. Their 131 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: sweet spot is kind of picking where right where they're picking. 132 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: So the thing is is it's anticipating who will be 133 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: available in that position. So it's it's likely that you know, 134 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: maybe an edge rusher or maybe you know one of 135 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: one of those positions will be available, so it will 136 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: be a decision to make. I don't necessarily think the 137 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: Ravens are going to be trading. I don't have any 138 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: inside or inside or information information on that, but I 139 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: think just in general, too optimally, if you wanted to 140 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: optimize the draft for as many team is getting what 141 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: they need as possible, which of course there would why 142 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: would any team want to do that? But the trading 143 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,799 Speaker 1: would would make the most sense there right. You mentioned 144 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: pass rusher too, What do you see as the biggest 145 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: need for the Ravens And also, you know, not just that, 146 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: but from an analytics perspective, you know, different positions have 147 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: different values. Obviously, the Raveins don't need a quarterback, but 148 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, corner, cornerback, you know, pass rusher, some of 149 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: these are more premier positions. So given what they kind 150 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: of need, where the roster holes are, and what the 151 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: premier positions are, what do you see as kind of 152 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: the spots for the Ravens to draft early. I think 153 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: that right tackle could be an interesting one. I'm not 154 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: entirely sure what's going on with that situation. I haven't 155 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: heard anything about it since the end of the season, 156 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: but you know he did hear rumors like everyone else 157 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: that maybe he wants to play left and if he's 158 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: playing right, he doesn't. These are there's just rumors. So 159 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, obviously the tackle position, especially given the type 160 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: of offense that the Ravens like to run. To me, 161 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: you need a good old line. You need to make 162 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: sure that that's really fortified. In fact, if they could 163 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: get you know, there's a few guards that are pretty 164 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: nasty too. If you get tackle guard. I mean, I 165 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: don't know how that's not very sexy from the standpoint 166 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: of who we're drafting. But you know, I don't know 167 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: that insider information about what what's going on with you know, 168 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: the actual like who's where, but you can need some 169 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: have I mean, Marcia Riganta is not easily replaced, and 170 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: it didn't It wasn't a great situation as well as 171 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: it could have been. So you know, I think you 172 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: could upgrade there. So those are premier positions tackle for sure. 173 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: I think edge rusher could be interesting because at least 174 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: the general consensus about this draft classes that there are 175 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: no top fifteen edge rushers maybe maybe no no top 176 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: ten for sure. And then potentially with the way that 177 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks might shake out, this is maybe the first 178 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: time we've ever had quarterback O one to three four 179 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: like in the history of the draft. So you know, 180 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: it just and so then there pushes it down that 181 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: that means there as sot only six players still tend 182 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: to get an edge rusher, So you know, it could 183 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: be that one of these better, you know, an edge 184 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: rusher with a lot more upside that people think. Maybe 185 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: it's like about twenty but because the way that it 186 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: it nets out with where people are drafting. That could 187 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: be one of those things that that's too too good 188 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: to pass up. And this is a great corner draft 189 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: as well. So corners are strong, wide receivers are strong, 190 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of good offensive lineman. And then I 191 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: think a little deeper. You know, there's not quite that 192 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: premier guy in the in the edge rush or class 193 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: at least that is discernible. A lot of people, you know, 194 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: did not play last season, so you know, it's just 195 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: a lot more variability amongst their potential projections. You know, 196 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: one of the edge rushers who's been mocked the Ravens 197 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: fairly often is Jason Away from Penn State. And I'm 198 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: just curious to get your perspective up from the analytics side. 199 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: Here's a here's a player who people look at they 200 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: say he's got the size, speed, intangibles that side, but 201 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: he didn't have a sack, so it doesn't have the stats, 202 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: but he has the size speed, So how do you 203 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: like when you're looking at and you're breaking down a 204 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: guy like that, how do the analytics come into play 205 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: when you're trying to really project what he's going to 206 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: be at the next level. Best thing I can do 207 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: as an outsider is measure the things that everybody does. 208 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what he was asked to do. In fairness, 209 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: I know more people at Penn State, so I could 210 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: have asked a little bit more. But if I know, 211 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: if I know too much about just one program and 212 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: I don't know about the others, then the whole thing 213 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: becomes messy. But the way that you can look at 214 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: it is what does the speed his first you know 215 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: the first two yards that he travels at the time 216 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: the whistles blown in the in the place starts. How 217 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: far does he go? What's his speed? So in velocity 218 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: because you know his weight right, so approximate velocity. How 219 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: do you see him moving and and laterally and you 220 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: know laterally forward and backwards. How do you see him 221 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: moving across the field? How does that compare across different years? 222 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: Like that? Who does he have a look alike? To write? Like? 223 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: So in the data you can go find people who 224 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: are more comparable in past seasons and see how they 225 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: mapped out in a system like the Ravens would run 226 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: or in a in a different system right to see 227 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: where the best fit might be. So when you look 228 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: at a guy like that, it's for me that the 229 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: thing that jumped off the paper, and it's kind of 230 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: a pun here is his his burst was very good 231 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: his first so to me, the first two yards he traveled, 232 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: how fast, how quickly he could get up to top speed. 233 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: He was in the top He was in a very 234 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: top echelon. I looked at ten seasons and I think 235 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: I think he ranked something like in the top ten 236 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: percent or fift pent amongst people for the past two 237 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: So that's a really strong indicator of success because you've 238 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: got to get through. If you can't, if you don't, 239 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: if you can't get going quickly, you have a much 240 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: harder time at the next level. Bringing that pressure to 241 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Interesting. Interesting, Do do you think that analytics 242 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: are going to be used by more front offices in 243 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: this year's draft than in past years? Just because you know, 244 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: you had a lot of opt outs. There's a lot 245 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: of missing information, right, Do you think that the analytics 246 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: will kind of help fill in the blanks there? Yeah, 247 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: And I also think they can't cheat off each other's tests. 248 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: Usually we go to Indianapolis, you know, and you go 249 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: to Indianapolis and everybody tries to peek over the shoulders 250 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: of your guys at the Ravens did what have they 251 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: got on that line back? Like, and they can't do that. 252 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: This year, there's less cheating, you know, like you got 253 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: to think for yourself off the group think is significantly 254 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: reduced this year, and um, it'll be interesting to see 255 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: how that works out, especially for some teams that don't. 256 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: It's all about how they structure. It's it's all about structure. 257 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: That's what matters. A structure. It doesn't matter really, you know, 258 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: like in my in in my program, this is what 259 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking for in these things, and your ability to 260 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: find that, you know, like who's the best edge rusher 261 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: in this class? Like maybe it's Quitty Pay, maybe it's 262 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's Jalen Phillips. We don't know. But 263 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: in a certain system, people are more or less likely 264 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: to succeed, right, There's no you know, there's no such 265 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: thing as a non I think everyone's a system. Everything. 266 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: You know, your system left tackle, even your system quarterback here. 267 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: I don't care who you are. I don't care if 268 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: your you know, Andrew Luck right, like your system quarterback. 269 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: It all matters, right, So going along with it. How 270 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: have you seen the prevalence the introduction of the analytics 271 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: world alter the way that the team's draft In the 272 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: aust five years, it seems like one thing that's really 273 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: become very significant. It's just the data that's available, the 274 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: GPS data that college players have, they're wearing, the chips, 275 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: teams are able to get that information, real time, speed, 276 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: all all so much information on that. Does that alter 277 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: the importance of things like the forty yard dash the 278 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: traditional metrics because I don't know, it seems like you 279 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: may not it may not be as important to tell 280 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: how fast I runs in Indianapolis on an empty field 281 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: when you can look at his entire season and see 282 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: how he played at game speed. How has that changed things? So, 283 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: for the most part, the one thing that hasn't changed 284 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: is the fact that, like and and maybe even more 285 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: important this season is the fact that at those Pro Days, 286 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: which was the closest thing to the combine that we 287 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: had this year, you want to like verify what you're 288 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: seeing on tape. If a guy looked fast on film, 289 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: you don't want him to come and run like a 290 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, a very very slow forty right, Like it's 291 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: not going to put you is not going to ding you. 292 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: You just want to kind of it wants to be 293 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: sort of similar, right, Like these numb verse this year 294 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: are ridiculous, Like the number of people who ran like 295 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: sub four four is like hilarious to me, right, But 296 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: the point is are you, like are you respecting the process? 297 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: Are you working out? Are you staying in shape? Like 298 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: so it's it's less about the actual number and more 299 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: about like, don't give me a reason to go back 300 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: and watch your tape again, blah blah blah blah blah. 301 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: And I think that the that that what it's doing 302 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: this season is it's creating an opportunity for teams to 303 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: be really creative about how they're going to look at 304 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: prospects going forward, because we all already knew that the 305 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: forty was garbage, Like you know, this is not the 306 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: first year that we thought like, hey, you know that 307 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: doesn't really approximate much, right, But it's now going to 308 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: be something where you know, even more than ever, like 309 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: that's a procedure like can you follow the rules? That's 310 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: the combines really about. Can you follow the rules and 311 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: not be a jerk when you're really tired and people 312 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: have been poking and prodding and interviewing and annoying you 313 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: for three days, like who are you when you're like 314 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: a little bit stressed out right like and now more 315 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: than ever, it's just gonna be like, okay, even more 316 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: kind of more of the same with that. But so 317 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: I think there's coming up with their own ways of thinking. 318 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: I know a couple of different teams have reached out 319 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: to me about different ways that they're thinking and internalizing 320 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: the potential for you know, using college data going forward. 321 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: There's you know, a couple of new like vendors in 322 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: the marketplace that provide different technologies and they're trying to 323 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: work with them to create something that gives them an edge. 324 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: And I think it's cool to see how people become 325 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: more creative and more interested in how to use the 326 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: data and you see it as an opportunity. M right. Yeah. 327 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: I think with all these per day forties, you know, 328 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: all these fast times, Garrett, you might have been able 329 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: to get under five seconds to say, yeah, I think 330 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: I might have this year, And I think everybody's just 331 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: running downhill. They put the forty time on the hill 332 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: and everyone's just running downhill this year exactly Cynthia. You 333 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: know you mentioned teams getting more creative and and the 334 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: Ravens have really kind of been at the forefront of that, 335 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of analytics. And you know, not 336 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: only John Harball on the coaching side with the fourth 337 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: down decisions and things like that, but also on the 338 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: scouting side. Can you just talk a little bit about 339 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: what you know about the Ravens and how they approach analytics, 340 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: I guess particularly pertaining to the draft, but also as 341 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: a whole team. Well, first of all, I got a 342 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: chance to interview John Harbaugh for the Big Data Bowl, 343 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: which was super fun. I was pretty obsessed with that. 344 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: We had a we had a good time chatting um. 345 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: But what I learned, I mean, look, the Ravens have 346 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: been the gold standards. So nothing that I here surprises 347 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: me when they're thinking creatively or coming up with new 348 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: ways of thinking about like you know, everything from what 349 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: Daniel does on game days and how you know and 350 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: how he does that too, kind of what happens in 351 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: the off season with like you know, Corey and what 352 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: he does for for the for the draft prospects. The 353 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: thing I will say that I really give the Ravens 354 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: a ton of credit for is the self the self awareness, 355 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: like they scout themselves and give themselves honest feedback and 356 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: and really improve their own ability to do everything. And 357 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: that that's from the top down, coaches, front office, analytics, everyone, 358 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: And that's actually play a big difference maker because a 359 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: lot of people's egos get in the way. In some teams, 360 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: it feels like the analytics are like gotcha, right, like 361 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: trying to like prove something wrong or like whatever, whereas 362 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: the ravens it's really like, okay, like let's like sharpen 363 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: our tools so that like when we're here to you know, 364 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: to do everything, we have like the best tools, the 365 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: most efficient, the most everything. Like. So that's that's the difference. 366 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: It's more about like viewing it as a truly important 367 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: and like the whole, the whole thing, Like it's the 368 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: standards that in integrity that the whole organization holds themselves to, 369 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: not just you know, kind of one person being like gotcha, 370 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm right, you're wrong. It's it's a cohesive, collaborative unit. Yeah. 371 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: And there's and there's buying obviously, you know, there's buying 372 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 1: on the football on the coaching side, there's buying on 373 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: the scouting side, Dakasta has really championed that for several 374 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: years and so obviously we're seeing that kind of come 375 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: to fruition. Now, Um, have you seen how would you 376 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: put into perspective analytically, how impressive Lamar Jackson's first two 377 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: seasons have been as a starter. I think it's the 378 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: perfect rage of what you're supposed to be doing with analytics, 379 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: namely that is supposed to be UM, the right system, 380 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: the right learning, the right body type, so the right 381 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: humans to do it, and all those things working together. Right, 382 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: it's you gotta learn, You gotta teach people right. You 383 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: have to, um, you know, because nobody comes out of 384 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: college having seen all the different looks and from defenses 385 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: that you see as an NFL player just don't right, 386 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's it's adapting to what you 387 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: see reading defenses. It's the ability to run plays that 388 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: makes sense to everyone on the field from you know, everyone, 389 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: not just the quarterback. And really it's taking what Lamar 390 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: Jackson's skills that happened to be and making the most 391 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: out of all them. Like for me, I'm never gonna 392 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: dunk a basketball, Like maybe if you give me a trampoline, 393 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: like I could dunk a basketball, right if I could 394 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: jump on it and get lucky and whatever, But I'm 395 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: never gonna do. You're going, you're going a little type sup. 396 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: You're good Synthea exactly exactly regulations pop, I'm garbage so so. 397 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: But like, if you're gonna ask me to dunk a basketball, like, 398 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: you're going to be discipline in it forever. But if 399 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: you set me up with the team where I can 400 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: like pull it out, kick it ont in the perimeter 401 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: and take the three, like that's a better spot for me, 402 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 1: you have a much better chance of us scoring points. 403 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: If that's if you're building a team around me, right, 404 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: a basketball team around me. So really it's the Lamarge. 405 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: It's it's the I foreseeing. Okay, this Lamar Jackson puzzle 406 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: piece makes sense to me. I understand how to use this, 407 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: and then finding all of the pieces around it. That 408 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: really everyone makes each other better. And that's what's been 409 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: so impressive because nobody comes out a fully like I said, 410 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: everyone's a system everything, and no one comes out of 411 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: fully formed anything. So you were to drop Lamar Jackson 412 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: somewhere else, there would be not not the level of 413 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: success that he's having right now. Conversely, if you had 414 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: the wrong fit for if you try to put like 415 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: a different style quarterback in and ask them to do 416 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: it Lamar Jackson, it wouldn't work. So it's the marriage 417 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: of the two and the and the back and forth 418 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: of the two that really makes the thing magic, right, 419 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: And I think to the Ravens coaching staff, you know, 420 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: it was a very different offense with Joe Flacco, and 421 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: especially when Lark came in mids season, I mean mid 422 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: season to change it up that well different? Yeah. Can 423 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: you you mentioned you know John Harball and you're interviewing 424 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: interviewing him for the big datable pretty sure data? Yeah, 425 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: I got data to me, Like you know when people 426 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: go to so I like, I spent way too much 427 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: of my name of education. I have like a lot 428 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: of masters and one of them is an NBA and 429 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: finance people. I don't like when people say finance. I 430 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: want to punch him in the face. So what I've 431 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: never heard of that that sounds no asking people who 432 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: go to like fancy schmancy business. I work in finance 433 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: for Goldman Sachs, you like, So that's why I don't 434 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: say that's why I say data because data and finance 435 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: and I like and that's just we don't say it 436 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: the other way. Data dat data finance not bougie like that. 437 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay off then maybe someday. So he talked 438 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: to John Harball and uh, you know what takeaways were? 439 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: Did you have from that? And can you just tell 440 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: our listeners a little bit about the Big Datable? Sure? 441 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: Well number one, Uh we became best friends. So my 442 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: best friend John and I talked about you can see 443 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: it on YouTube. So the Big Datable is a competition 444 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: where college age students as well as people who are 445 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: already working in the data science community UM can submit. 446 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: We'll give them a sample of our data, and they 447 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: can of the NFL, the GPS data, the next gen stats, 448 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: and they try to solve a problem. This year, the 449 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: problem was about defense. It was about figuring out corners 450 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: or safety is anything to do with defensive back. So 451 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 1: they got to be creative from there. So they got 452 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: to look at this data and come up with some 453 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: cool stuff, and they came up with some great stuff. 454 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: So UM we have like over two hundred submissions from 455 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: across the globe, which was pretty rad And then we 456 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,239 Speaker 1: narrowed it down and then we you know, had them 457 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: give presentations again. It's all on YouTube if any wants 458 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: to check it out. It's really nerdy, but it's really fun. 459 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: But we got a chance to talk to John, which 460 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: was so cool because, let's be honest, nobody does it 461 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: better and nobody has used it better and nobody's more 462 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: like honest about how they're using it. And what I 463 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: really noticed about my best friend John was that he 464 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: could clearly articulate what his expectations were. And that is 465 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 1: the difference between a successful use of analytics and not. 466 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: Like if you if you know what you want someone 467 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: to do and you can and you can um if 468 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: you know what you want someone to do and you 469 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: can articulate that, they're far more likely to give you 470 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: what you want. If you're just trying to divide some 471 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: sort of magic, then it's it's not going to work 472 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: out well for you. So that's that's what we That's 473 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: what I learned from John and his ability to communicate 474 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: it transcends, like you know, he can communicate in math talk, 475 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: he can communicate in football talking. It's just it really 476 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: he bridges the gap so well that it's no wonder 477 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: he's getting what he wants from his analytics staff because 478 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: it's so clear. Yeah, I think that's a really good 479 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: insight because he talks all the time just about how 480 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: like the relationship part of his role is is communicating 481 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: to his staff what they're trying to achieve, and and 482 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: like there's all these different as you know, you know 483 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: certainly better than us. Like analytics is such a broad 484 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: term that covers all this different ground, and it's and 485 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: it oftentimes it just gets spoiled down to like did 486 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: you go for it on fourth down or not? But 487 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: like it's so much more complicated than that in the 488 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: broadcast media. So it's like the analytics say, I'm like, 489 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: what the heck are you talking? Analytics don't say anything 490 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: like you know, what are you talking about? Crazy people? Yeah? 491 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: For sure, Um, well that's really interesting sor right, well 492 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: we'll put you on the spot here to close it up. 493 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: Who's going to be the pick at number twenty seven? Gosh, 494 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: I hope it's I hope it's my my wide receiver. 495 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: I think that would be a nasty pick for you. 496 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: I do think that I hope it's an offensive pick, 497 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: mostly because it's like I think probability wise, it's probably 498 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: a defensive pick, just based on how I see the 499 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: draft playing out, in the likelihood of the people ahead 500 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: of the Ravens to select some to leave open a 501 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: defensive player that would be too tasty for for them 502 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: to to leave behind. But I I would love to 503 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: see an other Widers here. I want to see exactly 504 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: like Lamar Jackson is a great passer, and I want 505 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: to see just some nasty, some nasty like physical guy 506 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: like Taras Michael. Why do I keep going Terrist Michael 507 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: Arris Marshall's or what it's wrong with me, Michael is 508 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: that he's he's like a seventh round pick, I think 509 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: exactly for whatever reason, like that's stuck in my head today. 510 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: But anyways, Teras Marshall Jr. Um for whatever, for whatever reason, 511 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: I can't say it, but you know a guy like 512 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: him that could bring that big body and just to 513 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: give you a little extra something like I know Sammy 514 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: Watkins is there, but I would like a little extra 515 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: something from that. Alright, you're speaking to the heart of 516 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: hearts of Ravens fans. A lot of Ravens fans are 517 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: on your side on that one. So that certainly would 518 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: be an exciting pick here in Baltimore. Well, Cynthia Freeland 519 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: is the NFL Networks analytics expert. You can follow her 520 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: on Twitter at ce Freeland. Let me spell that for 521 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: people so they have this right, et C F R E, 522 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: l U n D. I have to spell my last 523 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: name all the time, Cynthia, it doesn't come off. You 524 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: know what Sometimes you call people whose last name Marshall, Michael. 525 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: It happens, what happens, you know, it just happened exactly. Well, 526 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, Cynthia. We really 527 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Cool great stuff from Cynthia. Here's my question 528 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: to you, Garrett, have you ever cheated on a math 529 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: test or any other test? As she referenced, absolutely not. 530 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: I don't cheat. Yeah, alright, come on, be honest, be 531 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: honest with yourself, be honest with me, and be honest 532 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: with our listeners. Here. Here, here's here's the truth. The 533 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: other kids were looking at my test. If you were 534 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: going to try to cheat, they looked to my test. 535 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: You got to go to the smart kids. And I 536 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: knew that there wasn't anyone in class smarter than me. 537 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: So why am I going to look to cheat. They 538 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: were all trying to get a glance of my test. 539 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 1: You were the kids, if you if you'll be honest, 540 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll be honest. You know what, I'll 541 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: be honest, all right. Syndef In high school, she was 542 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: she was the valedictorian. And I was in math club 543 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: and I might you know, which is really funny, because 544 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: who cares about math club? Honestly? I mean, it wasn't 545 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: like I was getting a grade on math club. But 546 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: I might have snuck a little little piggie look over. 547 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: Then they kicked me out. They kick me straight out 548 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: of math club. Grett, Well, okay, none of that surprises 549 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: me for a couple of reasons. One, as I said, 550 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: the smart kid is the one who's looking to cheat. 551 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: So you were never the smart kids, so of course 552 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: you were looking to cheat. That's one. I was in 553 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: math club. I just wasn't the smartest kid in the club. 554 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: That was probably a club that was open to anybody, 555 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: and they were like, I guess we'll let this make kid. 556 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: And you've got nothing else to do after school too. 557 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: To anyone that's ever done anything competitive with you knows 558 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: that you cheat. You cheat. I remember when we ran 559 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: the fourty yard you just talking about several years ago 560 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: we ran the forty yard dash and they were on 561 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: ready set. I don't even know if they finished saying 562 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: set yet, and you were out of the gate. You 563 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: were out of the gate running. I was the have 564 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: to We're gonna have to PASI and pull up the 565 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: analytics on that one. All right, we'll check. We'll check 566 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: the analytics on who was faster? Okay, you and I. 567 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: That's we should rerun it and we'll wear the GPS trackers. 568 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: We'll see you faster. I would absolutely be down to 569 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: do that. That would be my it's to prove myself 570 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: after all these years. It's on. All right, as much 571 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: as I love talking about our forty times, let's get 572 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: a couple of emails here before we wrap up today again, 573 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: you can email us with the lounge at Ravens dot 574 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: NFL dot net. UM. Here is an email this comes 575 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: to us today from Sam Reese. He says, Hey, Ryan 576 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: and Garrett, how's it going. I'm a big fan of 577 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: the lounge, and he two goofballs make it fun to 578 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: listen while I play Madden. I guess that's that's probably 579 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: a good segue after he just while Sam just listening 580 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: to us talking about forty times. He said that the 581 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: mel Kuiper episode is always one of his favorites. He 582 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: looks forward to that every year because of males interesting viewpoint. Um. 583 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: And then he also loves the fantasy drafts where Ryan 584 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: usually gets smoked throughout the year. Anyway, he said his 585 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: potential Ravens picks are Landon Dickerson Rondelle Moore. Those are 586 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: two guys that he really likes. I know you talked, 587 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: You've talked about them a little bit. Becauld you elaborate 588 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: some more. Let me just start with Dickerson and then 589 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: I'll ron Dale more. Yeah, Rondale more. Um, well, I know, 590 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: but he said, can you elaborate some ron Dale More? 591 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: It was a punt. Okay, I get what you're saying. Um, 592 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: Dickerson I like as a player, I really do. I 593 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: would be surprised if the Ravens took him in the 594 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: first round, considering they need a guy like he may 595 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: not be available for the first three, four, five, like 596 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: we don't know exactly when he's going to be available 597 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: to play, and for a team like the Ravens, who 598 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: are right there on the cusp like they're knocking on 599 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: the door. The window is open for them to win 600 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: a championship. It would be tough to not have a 601 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: guy your first round pick available at the start of 602 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: the season, and then when he comes back, you kind 603 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: of have your offensive line set. Does he just step 604 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: into the starting center job. I think that would be 605 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: a tall order for a guy to come back from 606 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: a major knee injury and step right in there. So 607 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: as much as I like him, it would be a 608 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: little bit surprising for me to see the Ravens take 609 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: him in the first round. But if because of those concerns, 610 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: he falls all the way to the second round, and 611 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: sometimes this happened, Sometimes a guy who get talked about 612 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: in the first round ends up falling way down. I'd 613 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: be down with him as a second round pick. I 614 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: think that would be I think that would be surprising 615 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: too for it to happen that way. But I I 616 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: would be surprised with him in the first I wouldn't. 617 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: I would put him in the category of my potential 618 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 1: trade back guys. Like if he's on the board at 619 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: seven and the Ravens trade back into the whatever, let's 620 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: say thirty six, whatever, you know, thirty four or thirty 621 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: eight into like kind of a high to mid second round, Like, 622 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: I think he could be a guy. I think he'd 623 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: be good value right there. But I also liked the 624 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: prospect of potentially Creed Humphrey, the Oklahoma center. I think 625 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: that he could be a good second round pick as well. 626 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: You know, I I'm just not completely I like drafting 627 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle I think more than I do with center, 628 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: because because I think the Ravens have you know, they 629 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: can use that guy at left guard right now. Tackle 630 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: solves the short term problem of the center and the 631 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: bad snaps and all that, and the long term problem 632 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: of Orlando Brown leaving. So that that's why I kind 633 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: of like that. And I also think that the Ravens. 634 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 1: I think Daniel Jeremiah made this point, Dinny that like 635 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: when you when you do the Ravens and you've hit 636 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: on some many undrafted guys. I mean, Screrel was a 637 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: very He was a good center, especially before he suffered 638 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: his knee injury. He was good, you know, he was 639 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: like a definitely a winnable center. I still I also 640 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,719 Speaker 1: think Patrick McCarry is as a guy that you can 641 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: win with point proven by the fact that they have 642 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: won a lot of ras and one a lot of 643 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: games with Screw and McCarry exactly. I mean, And so 644 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't know that you have to invest a high 645 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: pick in it if the value is right and those 646 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: guys drop a little bit or whatnot, or you really 647 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: like Karey Humphrey and feel like he's a deal at 648 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: the end of the second round. Sure, I'm fine with 649 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: pooling the trigger, but I'd rather go offensive tackle right 650 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: and just so, just to elaborate, just to touch more, 651 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: the reason you say drafting a tackle who could play 652 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: guard would solve the center issue is because then that tackle, 653 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: let's assumed Orlando's on the team, Then Orlando's right tackle, 654 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: this new Tevin Jenkins or someone in that mold goes 655 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: to left guard, and then Bradley Boseman goes to center. 656 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: That's correct, and then one, yeah, Rondel Miller. So the 657 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: thing I I was kind of debating. I was thinking 658 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,239 Speaker 1: about this the other night one of my long nights awake. Um, like, 659 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: nobody's talking about Elijah More from a whole miss as 660 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: a potential wide receiver target for the Ravens. Again, maybe 661 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: it's a twenty seven. Maybe he's a trade back guy. 662 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: But I kind of like ron Or. I kind of 663 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: like Elijah More a little bit better because he's two 664 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: inches taller in part than Rondale Moore, who's five seven 665 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: five seven. I don't know that I'm down with five seven. 666 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I also said I wasn't down with 667 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: Sam Wacketts, So who the hell is? Um? So, well, 668 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: here's both of these guys are slot receivers, really, I 669 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: mean Elijah Moore, I think Elijah More could go outside 670 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: a little bit, but sure, yeah, Like like that's why 671 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: I haven't really thought about Elijah More, even though some 672 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: people have him going before the Ravens are on the clock. 673 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: Like some people think that he could be, you know, 674 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: the fourth receiver off the board after the Big three potentially. 675 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy put up almost twelve yards in 676 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: eight games last year, super touchdowns. He just seem a 677 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: productive player, super productive, super productive player. Um, but the 678 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: feeling seems to be that he does predict project more 679 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: as a slot guy. I mean he is small. Elijah 680 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: Morris five nine, one seventy eight, it's not like that's 681 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: a slot receiver type. Mold. Now I recognized that that 682 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown is kind of in that same size frame. 683 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: So mhm, you know, yeah, maybe maybe maybe that's the miss. 684 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe like everyone's talking about the big receivers Terris 685 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: Marshall Jr. And Ushot Bateman, and then everyone just misses 686 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: Elijah Moore, who you know, maybe he's just better. You. Yeah, 687 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean want to have you want to have good size, speed, sure, 688 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: but you also just want good player, and that's something 689 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: that is at the top of the importance, right. I 690 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: mean the guy ran a four three five. I mean 691 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: he's extremely quick, great hands, great production play. Oh miss. 692 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: Who They've had a few good wide receivers come out 693 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: in recent years, including our guy A. J. Brown that 694 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: we really liked, DK Metcalf. They've had a lot of 695 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: good wide receivers coming out, oh miss. I mean, I 696 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: don't hate the pick. I'd be I'd be a little 697 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: surprised just because that isn't who we've thought of. But 698 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, in the short term, if you think about 699 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins is gonna be your main ex outside receiver. 700 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: Hollywood's your other outside receiver. You put Elijah Moore in 701 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: the slot. That's inter sing Now, I'd like to see 702 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: duven A get a shot there. Too as you can 703 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: play outside. Also, you know, I just feel like this 704 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: is I'm just saying I wouldn't rule it out. Yeah, 705 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: I just like I wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens 706 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: took Rohndel Moore or Elijah More. I think that Duvern 707 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: is a slot receiver. I liked him, I liked what 708 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: I saw from him, and I feel like this is 709 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: his chance to be the slot receiver. And then the 710 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: type of receiver of the Ravens were like, is that 711 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: bigger bodied guy. Um, I just I go with a 712 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: conventional wisdom on that one. So all right, we are 713 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: gonna have another episode coming up, but we had two 714 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: episodes coming up before the draft. Um, we're gonna have 715 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: jo Ortis, director of Player Personnel, on uh with. We're 716 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: going to talk with him tomorrow. That episode is gonna 717 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: run next week and then we're gonna do our full 718 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: seven round mock draft. So this is your chance to 719 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: send us some more questions. You can use email us 720 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: of the Lounge at Ravens NFL dot net. It's gonna 721 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: the seven round mock draft is always one of my 722 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: favorite episodes. By the way, this year you gotta stick 723 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: to it. Whoever you take, you gotta stick to it. 724 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: You can't take a different person and all the different 725 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 1: things that we have a different person for the article, 726 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: different person video, different person for the podcast. No, you 727 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: gotta stick you gotta stick with it. No. Well, well no, 728 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: our pre draft videos, I'm not locked into that one area. 729 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: I will say. Well, because every time we do the 730 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: pre draft videos, we're like, all right, who are you 731 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: going to take? And if we all have the same guy, 732 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: then somebody comes off it. And I'm just a team player. 733 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: So I'm like, fine, I wouldn't take the guy who 734 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 1: I really think it could be. I'll take this guy. Right. Well, 735 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: that's the problem magic, that's the magic of the movie business. 736 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: The thing they're the key there is is once I 737 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: say I'm interested in the guy, then everyone else is like, 738 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm interested in him too. Because I have 739 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: such a great track record, you guys all just follow 740 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: suit with whatever I say. Get out of here. Um, 741 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: but I will I will say this, I will make 742 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: my final pick. Will will Matt be matched whoever I 743 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: say in the podcast for a seven round off, and 744 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: whoever I'm putting writing that will be my pick, and 745 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: it will be the same guy and it's gonna be 746 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: Tevin Jackets, so we already know that, but um, we're 747 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: just good. It might be, it might be, it might 748 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: be don't take my guy, don't take my guy. Might 749 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: all right, That's like I said, we're gonna have your 750 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: ties on and uh, he's gonna give us some insight 751 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: from the Ravens front office leading into this draft. That 752 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: should be a great conversation, so stay tuned for that 753 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: coming up next week.