Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, girl drama girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a rod in
Speaker 1: our comic girl cheering for the right drama queens up
Speaker 1: girl fashion. But you'll tough, girl. You could sit with
Speaker 1: us Girl drama, Queens, drama, Queen's drawn, mc queen's drama,
Speaker 1: John McQueen's drama, Queen's So if you tell them what
Speaker 1: episode we just watched, friends, family, even foes at home,
Speaker 1: We've just watched for all of you hate listening to
Speaker 1: all of you who hate it, We've watched Season four,
Speaker 1: episode fourteen, Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers. The irony that
Speaker 1: this episode aired on freaking Valentine's Day in two thousand
Speaker 1: seven is not lost on me. Oh this was Valentine's Day? Yes,
Speaker 1: how is that? Alright? Alright? Valentine's Days and seven. Hailey
Speaker 1: confronts Brooke regarding the stolen calculus test. Lucas and Peyton
Speaker 1: considered taking their relationship to the next level. Peyton and
Speaker 1: Brook finally finally grow closer, thanking God uh, and then,
Speaker 1: in Deb's absence, Nathan throws a senior party at the
Speaker 1: Scott House where a sex tape from Nathan's past surfaces.
Speaker 1: Our director was Janice Cook. She was beam old director
Speaker 1: on the show that we were very fond of. She
Speaker 1: was good at parties. I feel like she really like
Speaker 1: handled this. She did a great job. High school party. Man,
Speaker 1: it did God. I don't even know where to start.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, well, here's what I want to know.
Speaker 1: What did you do to piss the writers off? Because
Speaker 1: between Brooks stealing the test and then like boldly just
Speaker 1: lying about it to her best friend Um, and then
Speaker 1: Brooke with this doozy of a sex tape. I mean,
Speaker 1: no spoilers here, we all know what happened. What you do?
Speaker 1: They made you the bad guy in this episode. I
Speaker 1: don't know, man. You know it's interesting because the the
Speaker 1: stealing of the test, and you know, having everything you
Speaker 1: want so close that you can almost touch it, and
Speaker 1: then having something threatened. I like the dramatic foil and
Speaker 1: I like I like in a way that as Brooke
Speaker 1: is trying to be a better version of herself, Rachel
Speaker 1: kind of pushes her into you know, three years ago
Speaker 1: Brooke Like, I like the push and pull of it.
Speaker 1: I like that she feels stuck between a rock and
Speaker 1: a hard place. I've certainly been there when when you're
Speaker 1: a part of something and you don't really know. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is granted her being fully you know of the
Speaker 1: guilt here, like they stole that test together. But I've
Speaker 1: witnessed people that I love do things that aren't great
Speaker 1: and not known where it's my place to speak up
Speaker 1: or not. And so I guess in that way where
Speaker 1: you kind of go like, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: should say anything. Maybe maybe I should just stay on
Speaker 1: the periphery, which at this stage in my life I
Speaker 1: don't think is the best course of action. But in
Speaker 1: our early twenties, I mean, God, we got really trained
Speaker 1: to be such people pleasers, to always be good on set,
Speaker 1: to never have a problem, to never you know, never,
Speaker 1: never be the squeaky wheel. And so I think those
Speaker 1: were the ways I really related to Brooke in this
Speaker 1: position of I don't want to hurt Haley and I
Speaker 1: don't want to get Rachel in trouble, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to lose my future and and maybe if I
Speaker 1: can just white knuckle it over the line, it'll all
Speaker 1: be okay. Is it really a big deal? Anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: all the lies you tell yourself and then so it's
Speaker 1: like that that I can kind of get. But man,
Speaker 1: when I read that tape, see, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing it, and they were like, you're doing it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not doing this. I will
Speaker 1: not do this. James had to talk me off alledge
Speaker 1: and like we've talked a lot y'all about how this
Speaker 1: was sort of the year that like our baby James
Speaker 1: grew up and he was like, it's all gonna be okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take care of you, don't worry. So like
Speaker 1: he really came in like a boy scout, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to do this. Man, I
Speaker 1: was so upset. I thought it was so unforgivable. And
Speaker 1: then no spoiler alert exactly. But the thing is that
Speaker 1: for the fans at home who know what episodes coming next,
Speaker 1: there's the flashback to the night that this happens between
Speaker 1: Brooke and Nathan and the episode opens on you know,
Speaker 1: sophomore year or whenever this was supposed to be junior
Speaker 1: year with Peyton being in such a mood. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, but you say two of
Speaker 1: the meanest things I've ever heard of humans say, first
Speaker 1: to Nathan and then to Brooke and basically they're like her,
Speaker 1: and they like drunkenly have sex as revenge even though
Speaker 1: she's broken up with him. And when episode four fifteen aired,
Speaker 1: they cut it all out, so it just looks like
Speaker 1: what I don't remember this. Yes, they cut the awful
Speaker 1: things that Peyton says to Broke, which I'll tell everyone
Speaker 1: abou next week. They caught him and it, and I
Speaker 1: remember watching the episode on TV and crying and I
Speaker 1: was like, you've made her. Yeah, I was like, you've
Speaker 1: made her unforgivable. It does a little like character assassination.
Speaker 1: It's episode, man, I don't know. Our boss was probably
Speaker 1: pissed because he tried to grab my ass again and
Speaker 1: I told him to go himself, so he made me
Speaker 1: pretend to have sex with Nathan instead. I mean, not
Speaker 1: a bad trade, my dude. Honestly, James Lafferty is a gentleman,
Speaker 1: So you know, if you had to pick one, you'd
Speaker 1: always go to that side. If you're going to go
Speaker 1: down swinging cool. This episode gave be tremors. I've got
Speaker 1: my kids, you know, like we're hiding out here in
Speaker 1: North Carolina. I'm at the scene of the crime. I'm
Speaker 1: back Carolina and it's just cham and I rolling around
Speaker 1: the whole episode and You're like getting out for my
Speaker 1: kids walk in and I'm like, be cool, be cool,
Speaker 1: calm down, babies. There was so much talk in this
Speaker 1: episode about out sex, like let's do the damn thing between,
Speaker 1: you know, between Brooke and not Chase and Brooke and
Speaker 1: Nathan and Peyton and Lucas and Mouth and Shelley and
Speaker 1: who else is having sex not having I mean, Dan's
Speaker 1: coming on to Karen, pushing that button, and so we
Speaker 1: talk about love. All I could think it was like
Speaker 1: when I was a seer in high school. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm getting the out of here. I don't love anybody,
Speaker 1: like a different person every weekend. So this idea that
Speaker 1: like teenagers are so fixated on finding like the great, big,
Speaker 1: huge love of their life was like funny for me
Speaker 1: this episode. I enjoyed the novelty of I have to
Speaker 1: be with someone. I think I get that, And maybe
Speaker 1: it's because I went to an all girls school, so
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't really have the luxury of like, oh,
Speaker 1: everybody's just kissing everybody. It was like, who's your person?
Speaker 1: Because we were just watching ron coms and you know,
Speaker 1: so I think that I think that we were much
Speaker 1: more um in the world of TV fantasy and oh man,
Speaker 1: senior problem was such a big deal, and what was
Speaker 1: going to happen when we go off to college. We're
Speaker 1: going to stay together? Right? Like everybody really was in
Speaker 1: this heightened sort of sense of reality that you see
Speaker 1: in our show, which is probably because we had no reality.
Speaker 1: We were just copying what we were watching on TV. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I talked a lot about
Speaker 1: our show created a new normal, uh, in certain effects
Speaker 1: for the generation of girls that were watching it when
Speaker 1: they were in high school. Um, do you know anyone
Speaker 1: from your pack of friends that married or is still
Speaker 1: with the person that they were with when you were
Speaker 1: you know, going to problem? I have three, but not
Speaker 1: from my school lunch but you know yourself, man, it's
Speaker 1: a different deal. Yeah, not from my school. My girlfriend Amanda,
Speaker 1: who lives in Chicago is with her middle fool sweetheart.
Speaker 1: One of my best friends, Alicia, who you've hung out
Speaker 1: with in New York, is married to her I mean
Speaker 1: junior high sweetheart. You know at thirteen. He carved their
Speaker 1: initials in a tree at summer camp. That's really cute.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I've got one other girlfriend who was
Speaker 1: so in love with this boy she went to church
Speaker 1: with and they were together, and then in college they weren't,
Speaker 1: and then they wound up getting back together and getting married. Um.
Speaker 1: And then my baby cousin, my cousin Shelby is married
Speaker 1: to her her high school sweetheart. But they're all from
Speaker 1: like one Pasadena, one Texas, one Chicago, won New York. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all over the place. I love when I go
Speaker 1: home that so many of my classmates are still with
Speaker 1: the person that they went to prom with or you
Speaker 1: know that they were dating during football season, you know,
Speaker 1: and their weddings were all super super fun because it
Speaker 1: was a high school reunion. Um. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: don't know why I can accept in real life. But
Speaker 1: then when I see it on TV to love these
Speaker 1: kids love, it's likest to me. Maybe it's because I'm
Speaker 1: in a parental situation now where I'm like, honey, don't
Speaker 1: lock yourself in, go be free, explore. Yeah, they're like,
Speaker 1: it's all ridiculous, And the thing is, in most of
Speaker 1: the world sort of statistically it is, but I do
Speaker 1: think you're You're in that really interesting moment right where
Speaker 1: you're desperate to leave the nest, but you've also known
Speaker 1: nothing else. You think you're an adult, but really you're
Speaker 1: a child, and you know you you want to adultify yourself,
Speaker 1: and being in love, being independent when you're about to
Speaker 1: go to college feels like a big way to, you know,
Speaker 1: mark the territory of your identity. I'm an adult. No
Speaker 1: one embodied that better than Leonora's in this episode. God,
Speaker 1: it's so in love with Shelley after having dated Gigi
Speaker 1: for the last couple of months, and just and I
Speaker 1: appreciated that because it was real. That was real, like
Speaker 1: that boy wants to be love, he wants to lose
Speaker 1: his V card, he wants to go to college and
Speaker 1: be able to, you know, be a man. I'm a man,
Speaker 1: you know what I have to say? Though, made me
Speaker 1: sad because to your point, Lee acted this episode beautifully.
Speaker 1: He put real emotion into what he was given, the
Speaker 1: words on the page, he made them real. And something
Speaker 1: that I appreciated watching it now that I don't think
Speaker 1: I appreciated when the episode aired was that this was
Speaker 1: really the first time you were seeing a boy say
Speaker 1: I'm crazy about you and I don't know what to
Speaker 1: do about it, and I I, I'm not pushing you away,
Speaker 1: You're pushing me away. And I don't understand. Yes, I
Speaker 1: want to be with you. Am I not supposed to?
Speaker 1: You know? But but he's not saying in those sentences,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to be with you, So why
Speaker 1: do you care? He's not doing that gross trope. But
Speaker 1: but I have this real letdown, And I can tell
Speaker 1: in the way that some of those scenes jump that
Speaker 1: they were edited down, so I know there's dialogue missing,
Speaker 1: which I think does a real disservice to the conversation
Speaker 1: Mouth and Shelly are having. And I think they really
Speaker 1: made Mouth and Shelley's story in this episode. They put
Speaker 1: it firmly in the B storyline space when it should
Speaker 1: have had an A storyline. Yeah, absolute clarly because it
Speaker 1: makes it by by shrinking the amount of time they're
Speaker 1: on screen together. They have conflated uh, desire and confusion.
Speaker 1: They've conflated Mouth believing he's being rejected because he's not enough,
Speaker 1: which is his core wound, with Shelly not knowing how
Speaker 1: to communicate that she her core wound is that she's
Speaker 1: afraid that if she has sex again, everything will come
Speaker 1: crashing down. So instead of having this really interesting experience
Speaker 1: where he could get vulnerable about feeling like he's never
Speaker 1: chose in and she could say, all I want to
Speaker 1: do is choose you, but I don't think I can
Speaker 1: choose you without choosing myself, and they could get somewhere
Speaker 1: really kind, the they rushed it, and and they made
Speaker 1: his expressions of his own vulnerability read as being completely
Speaker 1: manipulative of her. And all too often we see boys
Speaker 1: pressure girls into sex. And I've seen that scene a
Speaker 1: million times. I don't feel like that's what was on
Speaker 1: the page here, but they kind of edited something that
Speaker 1: felt vulnerable into something that felt manipulative, and it kind
Speaker 1: of has a foot in each world, and I really
Speaker 1: don't like the result. Well, I mean that probably is reality,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I appreciate that we saw a boy
Speaker 1: crying about sex, That's what I mean. Like his vulnerability
Speaker 1: is beautiful. American Pie came out when we were in
Speaker 1: high school, dude, and like I remember being at parties
Speaker 1: where people wanted to watch it and just be you
Speaker 1: so kind of creeped out because I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: still a virgin? Is this the way you boys talk
Speaker 1: behind our backs? And really weird it out because all
Speaker 1: my guy friends were laughing at it, and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Well, yeah, I had just the summer
Speaker 1: before season four, I'd gone up to Canada to shoot
Speaker 1: John Tucker Must Die. And the scene where we watch
Speaker 1: all the boys in that movie talking about you know,
Speaker 1: the lead girl, Kate Brittany Snow, They're like chanting on
Speaker 1: Corker and porker Corker and like it's disgusting, and and
Speaker 1: that was, to your point, all of our representations of
Speaker 1: how the virginity. Yeah, and and so I guess that's
Speaker 1: why I feel bummed, because this was like, this was
Speaker 1: a boy really saying like, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: attractive to you. I don't know if you feel the
Speaker 1: way about me at that I feel about you, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I have all these emotions and all these feelings,
Speaker 1: and of course I wanted to be you, but they
Speaker 1: like they cut it off, and I wanted more of
Speaker 1: that honesty for both of them, and what I what
Speaker 1: I feel like we wound up with with something where
Speaker 1: a lot of people watched this and when I feel
Speaker 1: like he pressured her into sex and that that really
Speaker 1: feel it feel guilty? Man, Yeah, it felt guilty, And
Speaker 1: that's not what Lee was performing, No, Like, yeah, is
Speaker 1: he the first male character on our show that we're
Speaker 1: seeing lose his virginity? Yeah? Like, I mean I love
Speaker 1: that he played it as emotional as he did, because
Speaker 1: had he been any other dude, he would have been
Speaker 1: like firm with her, like you've led me on and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And Insteadily does it with tears in
Speaker 1: his eyes and it's like legitimately confused. So kudos to
Speaker 1: him for nail on it. But um, it did feel
Speaker 1: like a guilt thing, like, fine, I gave you the
Speaker 1: thing that you wanted. Can you leave me alone now?
Speaker 1: And by the way, I've done that in real life
Speaker 1: in my youth, just like, fine, you've pressured me of
Speaker 1: giving you the thing that you wanted. Can we stop? Like,
Speaker 1: can you just stop calling me? And it's the I
Speaker 1: threw up, you know, like it's the grossest feeling as
Speaker 1: a woman to be pressured into that. And God, I
Speaker 1: just like, thank god we got Liz to do it,
Speaker 1: I know, because she's so good and she's just so,
Speaker 1: and I protect her. I think what made it hard
Speaker 1: is because they were both so good, they put so
Speaker 1: much into it, they gave it a nuance. But I
Speaker 1: think I just I had the real feeling that some
Speaker 1: of that nuance wound up on the cutting room floor
Speaker 1: because the episodes have to be cut for time. And
Speaker 1: what was odd to me was that it wasn't a
Speaker 1: clear cut case of like he guilt tripped her. She
Speaker 1: was like, I want it. I want it so bad.
Speaker 1: I want it so bad I can't be around you.
Speaker 1: And look, if i'm around you, I'm going to have
Speaker 1: sex with you, and then I have to run away
Speaker 1: from you because sex is shameful, you know, she said.
Speaker 1: He says, I know you're a clean teen, and she says,
Speaker 1: I'm the clean teen. So what we're getting at is
Speaker 1: that Shelley has built an identity for herself that she's
Speaker 1: afraid to lose. And that's interesting, but we don't go
Speaker 1: past one quick reference to it, and and it's like
Speaker 1: it's like she's a secret. Basically, they made this whole
Speaker 1: thing like he thinks she isn't attracted to him, and
Speaker 1: she's in fact a secret infomaniac who has to run
Speaker 1: away because sex is bad and it's like, what the
Speaker 1: what is this? And I can't even look at you.
Speaker 1: I can't even look at you, I can't be next
Speaker 1: to you. It just made me feel sad because they're
Speaker 1: both such talented actors, and I wanted more of the vulnerability.
Speaker 1: I wanted more of him thinking he knew what she
Speaker 1: was saying, and her not being able to say what
Speaker 1: she needed to say, and then having a tete a
Speaker 1: tete in that manner until they got to a point
Speaker 1: where they both got vulnerable and got to say, no,
Speaker 1: that's not it. It's that I am um fill in
Speaker 1: the blank. Yeah, Like I wanted that. Well to your point,
Speaker 1: I I loved the line at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: episode where Mouth literally says it's about them, the clean teens,
Speaker 1: and then it cuts to a shot of all the
Speaker 1: kids in their T shirts. But that that's very real.
Speaker 1: Like my identity was so wrapped up in my virginity
Speaker 1: in high school because I was like, I'm the good girl,
Speaker 1: I'm the girl that like follows all the rules. That
Speaker 1: when I went away to college and came home and
Speaker 1: was not a virgin anymore, I felt like everyone was
Speaker 1: going to judge me and I completely lost my sense
Speaker 1: of self. And so that feeling of trial by the
Speaker 1: jury of your peers when you're forming your identity is
Speaker 1: there's so much there. And we made a snack instead
Speaker 1: of a meal. Yeah, I've been a delicious meal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I really wanted that storyline to be given
Speaker 1: its due rather than to be just in the slide
Speaker 1: show of scenes at a party. Mm hm. You know,
Speaker 1: speaking of other b storylines that should have been A storylines.
Speaker 1: We have to dissect Dan and Karen because why am
Speaker 1: I nostalgic for their high school years? Like I know,
Speaker 1: also I love well two things. As soon as you
Speaker 1: said nostalgic for their high school years, I'm like, God, yeah,
Speaker 1: that shot at them in the yearbook, Gorge. I want
Speaker 1: more of that. I wanted to actually see like a
Speaker 1: flashback to their prom I wonder if we're going to
Speaker 1: get it. But why does Dan just walk into Karen's house?
Speaker 1: I just pulled up my notes and at the top
Speaker 1: of my what is that? Why does he constantly just
Speaker 1: walk into her house? Trial is weird? Man? No, he's
Speaker 1: got lucks and like all these women have had terrible
Speaker 1: things happened to them. And they're just like whatever, doors,
Speaker 1: we don't even have doors, we just have like tent
Speaker 1: flaps at the front of our house them all. Um,
Speaker 1: he does just walk into her house. And maybe that's
Speaker 1: to illustrate his level of comfort with her at this point,
Speaker 1: because since Keith died, he's really been playing that card
Speaker 1: of does we see oh he says it when they're
Speaker 1: on there not a date, date, not date. She says,
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant with your brother's child, and he says, but
Speaker 1: you're also alone. I want to be the man you
Speaker 1: turned to. That's an right after that. But also here's
Speaker 1: what I was thinking about a little bit though. Um,
Speaker 1: they're only thirty six years old. Yeah, thirty six or
Speaker 1: thirty seven? Wait, no, are they even that old, because
Speaker 1: they're thirty six when the show starts, but every season
Speaker 1: of the show is every two seasons of the show
Speaker 1: is one year. But if they were eighteen when they
Speaker 1: had Lucas and Lucas is now eighteen, that's thirty six.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so they must have been God so they
Speaker 1: were like thirty five and season one God bless him.
Speaker 1: So they're like thirty six years old, and that's still
Speaker 1: very young. And Karen hasn't. I mean, I guessed what
Speaker 1: she stated Andy, she stated, Keith, I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: still um I can understand her level of optimism where
Speaker 1: this man has hurt her for eighteen years, could it
Speaker 1: be that she there's redemption there. It's like, if he
Speaker 1: ends up being a good guy, yeah, absolves her of
Speaker 1: the poor decision making she made when she was a teenager.
Speaker 1: And there's a little bit of like hero complex where
Speaker 1: it's like a good guy, you know, like not anybody else,
Speaker 1: you know, nobody else in your life could make you
Speaker 1: a good guy, but I did. And we all have egos.
Speaker 1: If I if I was dealing with like a huge
Speaker 1: attall and I got to behave I'd be really proud
Speaker 1: of myself. And so I could fully understand why Karen
Speaker 1: is like okay. It's also one of the number one
Speaker 1: ways that manipulators and narcissists do what they do is
Speaker 1: they look at you and they say, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: I've I know I've been a bad guy, but you
Speaker 1: make me want to be different. Yeah, listen, I'm as
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for that, Sophia, I love it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: tell me more. The entire decade of I've had phases
Speaker 1: in all my decades of that. Let's just let's leave
Speaker 1: it at that. But that's the thing is is someone
Speaker 1: who says, I've behaved badly because I've never felt safe.
Speaker 1: I've behaved badly because no one's ever really loved me.
Speaker 1: I've behaved badly because I grew up in a terrible environment.
Speaker 1: You make me feel safe, you make me want to change,
Speaker 1: you make me realize I can be the man I
Speaker 1: want to be. That is seductive as hell. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get it. If I'm Karen and handsome Dan is buying
Speaker 1: my son tuxedos and like he is showing up with consistency.
Speaker 1: This isn't once in a while. It is this man
Speaker 1: walking into her house every other day. And we watched
Speaker 1: it over the course of the last what six episodes. Um,
Speaker 1: he is consistently like, you're great, I'm here, I'm saying
Speaker 1: the right words. I totally understand. But I'm frustrated with
Speaker 1: myself as a viewer that I'm falling for it. I know.
Speaker 1: But it's also really interesting because you realize how easy
Speaker 1: it is. In a moment, you forget your memories, you
Speaker 1: forget the past. You know, It's like what so many
Speaker 1: of my girlfriends you included, have talked about with having kids,
Speaker 1: where you're like, yeah, childbirths insane. If you remembered it,
Speaker 1: you'd never do it again. You block it out. Like
Speaker 1: Karen has all these terrible memories with Dan, But here
Speaker 1: he is, day after day, we after weeks, showing up
Speaker 1: being the best version of himself. But but hold on,
Speaker 1: let's pause there for a second. Does she have terrible
Speaker 1: memories with Dan because it seems like there was a vacuum.
Speaker 1: It seems like there was an absence, right, So rather
Speaker 1: than her interacting with him on a regular basis like
Speaker 1: Deb did over the course of the last eighteen years,
Speaker 1: Dad's had an eye fall, Right, Karen just had sixteen
Speaker 1: years of nothing and had to hypothesize what he might
Speaker 1: be up to or what kind of parent he might be.
Speaker 1: And so maybe that absence is actually working in his
Speaker 1: favor right now because she doesn't have all of the
Speaker 1: experience the Deb has, who has clearly still struggling. That's
Speaker 1: a great point. That's a really great point because Karen's
Speaker 1: pain points with Dan are a long time ago, and yeah,
Speaker 1: there have been things, you know, him trying to get
Speaker 1: in the way when Lucas joined the team. I'm sure
Speaker 1: there were times when Lucas was a kid and Dan
Speaker 1: would refuse to pay for things. You know, there was
Speaker 1: that whole thing about how she never took any child
Speaker 1: support from him. But I would imagine that there was
Speaker 1: some sort of battle that got them there. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: maybe not. I mean, he's one of those chicks that
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, you I'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: It might have been nature abhors a vacuum, it will
Speaker 1: fill it. Well, if there's a vacuum. What a what
Speaker 1: an empathetic person does is say, oh god, I made
Speaker 1: all these assumptions over sixteen years. I didn't approach Dan,
Speaker 1: and look how wonderful he's been right now? Did did
Speaker 1: I rob my son of an opportunity? Did I rob
Speaker 1: my son of this relationship? And so, yeah, he's just working.
Speaker 1: That is, he's working. The way has never been more charming,
Speaker 1: has never been more charming, has never been more magnetic.
Speaker 1: And not only does she witness the way he's being
Speaker 1: with Lucas in front of her, she sees him giving
Speaker 1: Lucas advice and a person to confide in. I guess
Speaker 1: doesn't see him. Rather, I should say here's She hears
Speaker 1: it through the door. She hears them forming their own relationship,
Speaker 1: Dan saying, hey, I see you like no one else
Speaker 1: can see you. It'll be our secret. He's creating a
Speaker 1: sort of avenue where Lucas can confide in him and
Speaker 1: where he can have a parental male figure in his life.
Speaker 1: And Karen is listening to that. And then in they
Speaker 1: come with the door and dad bought his kid a
Speaker 1: tucks and it's all it's very sweeping, lee romantic. Oh god.
Speaker 1: When he's asked her to prom and she's like, are
Speaker 1: you asking me to prom? And like flustered, she's pumped, pumped.
Speaker 1: It feels good. We can feel Karen's relief almost because
Speaker 1: if you fall for an assult, it makes you second
Speaker 1: guess every decision you make, whether it's personal or professional.
Speaker 1: But if that ends up coming around and you can
Speaker 1: write it off as like that was a bad chapter
Speaker 1: for him, but what was real, what I saw was real.
Speaker 1: I was right. There's just a relief because it means
Speaker 1: you're not crazy. It means you weren't duped, that you
Speaker 1: saw something that actually existed. And I feel so bad
Speaker 1: for mm hmm, deb deb it is it is a
Speaker 1: wild thing, and you know, I have to say, there
Speaker 1: are things that just don't age well. The way that
Speaker 1: Nathan speaks to Debb about her alcoholism, which again was
Speaker 1: written for the character to say, is so upsetting to me.
Speaker 1: Him calling it a weakness and saying it is not
Speaker 1: a disease when we literally know that addiction is a disease.
Speaker 1: It's so dismissive and cruel, and it's like, why did
Speaker 1: he even hager to visit her that day? Well, and
Speaker 1: by the way, maybe it's all to set up that
Speaker 1: he says to Haley, I think I was too hard
Speaker 1: on my mom, so Haley can say, well, why don't
Speaker 1: we move in with her, Let's be the martyrs, let's
Speaker 1: be the heroes, let's help. You know. Maybe they thought, well,
Speaker 1: he's really got to be terrible to Debb if he
Speaker 1: if he's going to vent about it to Haley. But man,
Speaker 1: that that was hard. Yeah, Yeah, that was really difficult
Speaker 1: to watch because it's not like it's not like he
Speaker 1: showed up and he was dismissive of her excuses. It's
Speaker 1: not like she was like I'm so sorry, so sorry,
Speaker 1: and he was just like, uh, you know, which is
Speaker 1: probably more what a teen boy would do. He showed
Speaker 1: up with like things he wanted to say, and they
Speaker 1: cut to the quick, like he said hurtful things. Hayton's
Speaker 1: mom had an illness. You're just weak, yeah, you said it.
Speaker 1: You were like, that's Dan Scott's son. Yeah, that's some
Speaker 1: Dan Scott level manipulation. And it was very I was
Speaker 1: very taken aback to see it from Nathan, and I
Speaker 1: think it was hard. You know, as we were talking
Speaker 1: about it when the episode was on, you also said,
Speaker 1: because I expressed my frustration that he was demeaning the
Speaker 1: severity of what alcoholism is, and you said, he's also
Speaker 1: demeaning the abuse she has survived. Yeah, because she's an
Speaker 1: abuse survivor. It goes it goes back and forth with
Speaker 1: Nathan a lot, where like one minute he's team Mommy,
Speaker 1: where he's like, Mommy, we've survived Dan and his wrath
Speaker 1: and the reign of terror, and then the next minute
Speaker 1: he like letely forgets and it's like, oh, is your
Speaker 1: life so hard living in that big, expensive house with
Speaker 1: you know, like whatever, I don't believe that came out
Speaker 1: of that kid's mouth. No, it's wild and and the irony,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, there's a lot of time between
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven and now, but the irony of
Speaker 1: all the things we've learned. Do you remember that study
Speaker 1: that came out that said, yeah, look, money can buy
Speaker 1: you safe right now that I don't because you're the
Speaker 1: data nerd. Oh my god, Okay, I'm sorry, but this
Speaker 1: is actually really interesting. There's a study that came out
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago that talked about, like, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone always says money can't buy happiness, and it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but money can buy you security, it can buy you experience,
Speaker 1: as it can buy you healthcare, and those things are
Speaker 1: all great. But they've actually proven that money makes an
Speaker 1: incremental difference in your year, in your life up to
Speaker 1: the threshold where you take home seventy grand a year,
Speaker 1: Like the difference between taking home forty grand a year
Speaker 1: and seventy grand a year is a big, big difference.
Speaker 1: Past seventy grand a year into multimillions. They they've proven
Speaker 1: that money doesn't make you any happier, which I find
Speaker 1: really interesting. And there's a you know, it's like cliches
Speaker 1: or cliches because they're True's why we say them all
Speaker 1: of time. And so if money can't buy you happiness.
Speaker 1: How interesting to look at someone like Deb and even
Speaker 1: someone like Nathan, who have every privilege human beings could
Speaker 1: possibly be afforded, and they're both suffering, and mother and
Speaker 1: son are both suicidal, and you can have this conversation
Speaker 1: about abusive relationships and how success is the illusion and
Speaker 1: what's really going on behind the scenes. And here is
Speaker 1: a kid we've talked about this all season. Nathan is
Speaker 1: on suicide watch. He's been crying out for help, and
Speaker 1: then his mother has a suicide attempt and he walks
Speaker 1: in and goes, really, mom, suicide. Thanks for the note.
Speaker 1: It felt so out of character for Nathan's journey that
Speaker 1: I almost feel like in an early version of the script,
Speaker 1: it was a dance scene and then they decided, because
Speaker 1: they wanted Haley and Nathan to move in with Deb,
Speaker 1: that Nathan should go instead, and they just didn't really
Speaker 1: rewrite the scene. Well, whoever wrote Nathan this episode hasn't
Speaker 1: been watching all of season four, because yes, he also
Speaker 1: goes to Lucas when Lucas is at the party, hiding
Speaker 1: out in the bedroom looking at the picture of Keith,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you gotta get over it. Man Keith
Speaker 1: has gone I meanwhile, he's the one that was haunted
Speaker 1: by Keith for Infinity episodes. Yes, it's so bizarre. Again,
Speaker 1: there's there's great stuff in this episode, and I love
Speaker 1: the we're getting close to graduating and we just one
Speaker 1: stayed and there's a lot of nostalgia. I love that
Speaker 1: they threw a party. I love that they threw a party.
Speaker 1: But but the actual scenes between the characters Molt and Shelley,
Speaker 1: Nathan and Deb, Nathan and Lucas, they kind of feel
Speaker 1: like they don't make any sense. I'm like, who are
Speaker 1: these people? Has anybody been watching our show? The kids
Speaker 1: who are not economically well off are significantly happier than
Speaker 1: the kids who are because Rachel, as you know, she's
Speaker 1: in a bad place to Peter life, is dealing with
Speaker 1: a bunch of badge Nathan, You've got Deb, and then
Speaker 1: like the happy go lucky ones or skills, you know,
Speaker 1: Karen's having a great time living at a little house,
Speaker 1: you know, and Peyton is finally happy. Like the kids
Speaker 1: who um were part of the river Court scene are,
Speaker 1: with the exception of Mouths, are seemingly doing much better.
Speaker 1: And maybe because there's not as much pressure on them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. When you're from a wealthy
Speaker 1: family and it's like, okay, well what do I do
Speaker 1: once I'm kicked out of the nest? You know that
Speaker 1: can be frightening. Yeah, I'm I'm very curious with it,
Speaker 1: in particular for Rachel because you see what she's doing.
Speaker 1: And I love the scene between me and Danille when
Speaker 1: Brooke chases her out of the party and asks what's
Speaker 1: been going on and Rachel explains and there's nothing that
Speaker 1: Brooke can say but thank you, and she means it. Oh,
Speaker 1: look at you just clutching your chesty cutie. That really
Speaker 1: got you. It really when Rachel said you're my friend, Brooke,
Speaker 1: I felt betch and my bones and it was like
Speaker 1: for Brooke, who is in a battle with her best
Speaker 1: friend Peyton, and who has just lied to her other
Speaker 1: best friend's face, right, and so that feels bad. That
Speaker 1: feels bad when you're fighting with your friends. You know,
Speaker 1: nobody likes that to have this girl say to her,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to sacrifice my future because yours is so bright.
Speaker 1: You're my friend, Brook, Like, I love them that That
Speaker 1: was probably my favorite moment of the episode. That was
Speaker 1: my favorite especially for Brooke, who doesn't feel like people
Speaker 1: bet on her. Yeah, well she also feels like it's
Speaker 1: really easy for people to remove Brooke, you know, and
Speaker 1: and that can feel bad when it's like, oh, Peyton
Speaker 1: seems fine without me, and my parents are fine without me,
Speaker 1: and my ex boyfriend is fine without me, and I
Speaker 1: moved out of Haley's apartment so Nathan could move back
Speaker 1: in fine without me, you know, to have someone prioritize
Speaker 1: you the way Rachel is done. I wish you two
Speaker 1: had ended up together. What a cute. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I know it would not have been so fun, but
Speaker 1: it's it's again. It it reinforces the ways that especially
Speaker 1: I think those two girls are stuck. Brooke is stuck.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to hurt Haley, but she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to hurt Rachel. Rachel knows she got Brooke in trouble,
Speaker 1: but realizes how much worse it's going to be if
Speaker 1: Brooke gets caught. Now wants to be Brook's friend and
Speaker 1: has finally found a place where she fits in. And
Speaker 1: you realize the magnitude of this, you know, expulsion when
Speaker 1: she's putting away her little box from tree Hill High
Speaker 1: and you see it lined up against all the rest
Speaker 1: of the schools, and you realize that nobody bets on
Speaker 1: Rachel either. It happens again and again and again, even
Speaker 1: if she is self sabotaging, even if she's doing it
Speaker 1: so that it can't be done to her. It's oh,
Speaker 1: it's just heartbreaking. She's always like with the exception, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to hook up with Nathan. She's always on the
Speaker 1: moral up and up. Like. I love the character of
Speaker 1: Rachel because I love an anti hero, you know, little
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift reference for the kids. I was just gonna ask.
Speaker 1: I was gonna be like, oh, somebody listened to Midnight?
Speaker 1: Um do the kids say Bob anymore? I don't kind
Speaker 1: I like the word. I appreciate an anti hero, and
Speaker 1: Rachel is, you know, the perfect example of that. And
Speaker 1: she doesn't try to defend herself to Haley. She takes
Speaker 1: the hit. She leaves when she's told to leave like
Speaker 1: that takes a big person to do the walk away.
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't think she gets enough credit.
Speaker 1: You know, great, you guys have your fun. I served
Speaker 1: my purpose here, I'm out. Yeah. This isn't the end
Speaker 1: of Rachel, though, is it? Like why should I go.
Speaker 1: Did they say she's expelled. I thought that's what the
Speaker 1: principle threatened, but maybe not. I don't know. He like
Speaker 1: when he's passing out that time, just staring at the
Speaker 1: back of your head. I was like, So we had
Speaker 1: some like when I was in high school, and they
Speaker 1: don't really do anything about it. Kids, Just so you know,
Speaker 1: they don't really do anything about it. You can remember, listen,
Speaker 1: I didn't eat high school. I definitely cheated in college
Speaker 1: because remember at the beginning of the internet when you
Speaker 1: could buy papers, Oh my god, I would never what Hillary,
Speaker 1: I was a v J. I was busy. I was
Speaker 1: working forty hours a week. I mean, I know you
Speaker 1: were busy. I just would never. I wasn't. There was
Speaker 1: one paper. There was one paper on Gulliver's travels, and
Speaker 1: I could not do it, and so I bought it online.
Speaker 1: But it was like at the beginning of the internet,
Speaker 1: so teachers weren't savvy to just like searching for sentences, right.
Speaker 1: I definitely bought one paper. Um, and I'm not even
Speaker 1: embarrassed about it because that's a dumb book. I just
Speaker 1: loved writing so much that my senior year in high school,
Speaker 1: I decided I wanted to take two AP English classes
Speaker 1: instead of one AP English class and an AP math.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't need calculus. This is dumb.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to theater by um. So they
Speaker 1: let me do it. So by the time I got
Speaker 1: to college, all the seniors were coming to me to
Speaker 1: be like, will you edit my paper for fill in
Speaker 1: the blank class? And I was like, yeah, maybe I
Speaker 1: bought of your papers. And what I realized, No, I
Speaker 1: never sold my papers. I edited other people's. But I
Speaker 1: was like, God, it should have been charging for that.
Speaker 1: That is like valuable help. I legitimately paid fifty dollars
Speaker 1: for a paper travel Oh my god. So when I
Speaker 1: see about Brook cheeting on the test, I just don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't even care a little bit. I'm like, they graduate,
Speaker 1: get out of there, very great. I just I wish
Speaker 1: there was like more emphasis put rather than on your
Speaker 1: paper or on your mid term. I wish we put
Speaker 1: more emphasis on actually learning the information, on the ability
Speaker 1: to digest complex ideas and think critically and engage in
Speaker 1: conversation and debate with people. Could you imagine where our
Speaker 1: political system would be if we could actually just talk
Speaker 1: to each other instead of being like the answer is
Speaker 1: B No, it's B man, like it's so dumb. Well,
Speaker 1: also the fact that you were totally reliant. Brooke was
Speaker 1: totally reliant on other kids to help her pass this class.
Speaker 1: Like where's the teacher my calculus teachers senior year in
Speaker 1: high school, I did well in the class, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't an a student and he heard that I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to take the AP exam at the end of
Speaker 1: the year because I was taking all these other AP
Speaker 1: exams and I just didn't feel like failing it. I
Speaker 1: knew I was going to fail it, and he was like, Hillary,
Speaker 1: you have to take it. I'm doing after school tutoring sessions.
Speaker 1: I will personally help you. And Bruce Snyder, God bless
Speaker 1: that math teacher. Um made sure that I passed that
Speaker 1: AP exam, and I felt so good about myself after
Speaker 1: the fact. But it's the only reason I passed it
Speaker 1: is because an adult intervened and had Brooke had that
Speaker 1: experience or instead of being the boy that she's kissing,
Speaker 1: it's like an adult that sees this kid doesn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of parental interaction. She's trying, really are she's
Speaker 1: the president of this club. You know, if an adult
Speaker 1: had showed up and been like, baby, I believe in you,
Speaker 1: and you had to lie to that adult about that,
Speaker 1: would that would have been That would have been nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like we had so many good teachers in real life.
Speaker 1: I wish we'd had good teachers on the show too.
Speaker 1: And it's weird because every once in a while we
Speaker 1: had a great experience and then they would disappear. Even
Speaker 1: Principal Turner, he's so militant in this episode, and you know,
Speaker 1: him firing Haley felt so it just felt so unfair.
Speaker 1: He knows her character. It felt like Haley was a
Speaker 1: student he'd met for the first time, and for her
Speaker 1: to be able to say I had a feeling and
Speaker 1: I checked for my keys and whatever else, it all
Speaker 1: just felt like a device that I didn't love. I
Speaker 1: will say the device of joy bitch slapping Danil worked great.
Speaker 1: God whoever coordinated that She's done lamb in the key
Speaker 1: down on the table and wanted it back. And then
Speaker 1: yeah at Rachel it was so funny, and I loved
Speaker 1: watching the boys kind of be like damn, Haley. That
Speaker 1: was a great That was a really great fun and
Speaker 1: I love the way Antoine dismissed Rachel from the party
Speaker 1: because it wasn't it wasn't like you belong here. It
Speaker 1: was just like time to go, mama, you know, like
Speaker 1: it was firm and safe. And I love the way
Speaker 1: that that was all handled, and I get why Haley
Speaker 1: slapped her. Haley is getting a different set of information
Speaker 1: than the viewer, and so it's hard to be like, Haley,
Speaker 1: light up because the first set of information is like
Speaker 1: this chick is problematic at E three turn. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and she's coming for all of my stability, my husband,
Speaker 1: my job, my school, my best friend. Yeah, all the things,
Speaker 1: all the things. I want to talk about Peyton and
Speaker 1: Lucas because I I mean, I say this all the time,
Speaker 1: like the fan base is like you never addressed it,
Speaker 1: Like we're finally in a great place. I don't love
Speaker 1: like Peyton Lucas when they're sneaking around, you know, but
Speaker 1: Peyton Lucas like in a decided relationship, we're going to
Speaker 1: be together. I love his interactions with Glenda in this episode.
Speaker 1: I love that Peyton wasn't jealous but was like, what
Speaker 1: did you get that girl? But that's a little bit
Speaker 1: of just like, oh do you wanna tell me about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: She's like, well, what don't what don't I know he
Speaker 1: knows that he's lying and doesn't call him out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what I love about it? You know what? It really
Speaker 1: reminded me of. Um remember early on when Brooke and
Speaker 1: Lucas are dating and Peyton says give him the CD
Speaker 1: and Brooke does and she's like, oh, yeah, I track
Speaker 1: thirteen and he he comes to you and says, there
Speaker 1: is no track thirteen on this record. Like, I know
Speaker 1: this is you gave her this. It's a call back
Speaker 1: to that for me. And the nostalgia is so sweet,
Speaker 1: and I can see how much fun you're having. Like
Speaker 1: I actually made a note about how you know Lucas
Speaker 1: gave his book to Glenda but didn't tell Peyton it
Speaker 1: was done, Like what And instead of being upset, she
Speaker 1: she plays with him. She thinks it's cute. She wants
Speaker 1: to get in there in a way that is fun.
Speaker 1: It's not threatened or threatening, and and it goes back
Speaker 1: in every direction with you two. It feels nostalgic, it
Speaker 1: feels sweet, it feels pure. I liked it because, to
Speaker 1: your point, so many of the relationships on our show
Speaker 1: are based in threat. It's like someone's gonna find out online.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna find out I did this thing. Someone's gonna
Speaker 1: find out, find out, find out. And Peyton and Lucas,
Speaker 1: because they were in the friend zone for a long time,
Speaker 1: have developed this rapport of like I could find out
Speaker 1: whatever about you. I'm still unto you, you know, like
Speaker 1: tell me the worst thing you did. I know, you know,
Speaker 1: thanks for telling me, but I already know. Um. And
Speaker 1: there was so much physicality between our characters, you know,
Speaker 1: like that we've had years of like are they are not?
Speaker 1: Are they aren't they? You know, stolen kisses, all that
Speaker 1: kind of bulsh. Once the floodgates were opened, they were
Speaker 1: just like you two were just gonna sub face like
Speaker 1: all episode and the fans are gonna love it, so
Speaker 1: do that. And I said to you when when Peyton
Speaker 1: Lucas go upstairs to the bedroom at Nathan's house, I
Speaker 1: was like, why did they not have sex at Lucas's
Speaker 1: house where there was like some level of privacy. They're
Speaker 1: the only to people in the house. He's like, my
Speaker 1: mom's not coming home. Why did they go to a
Speaker 1: house party with a people downstairs at her ex boyfriend's
Speaker 1: house where she used to have sex with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to finally hook up is just embarrassing. But shooting that
Speaker 1: scene with my boyfriend and my brother and my boyfriend's
Speaker 1: dad and his uncle, and like the entire crew that
Speaker 1: I was related to it for one way or another
Speaker 1: watching was such a god cringe e. And so Chad
Speaker 1: was a great sport about it. He knew how weird
Speaker 1: it was for me to have the people yelling rolling
Speaker 1: and cut be the people that I like lived with
Speaker 1: and so and your actual boyfriend and you're shooting a
Speaker 1: scene with your TV boyfriend and your actual boyfriend is watching.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's the one yelling rolling. It's a nightmare.
Speaker 1: I'm so uncomfortable. So they and yell cut. But this
Speaker 1: is an embarrassing story. I hope Chad doesn't get upset.
Speaker 1: I tell the story. There was one point where his
Speaker 1: beard hair got caught on my brawl and it pulled
Speaker 1: my bra away a little bit, and Chad freaked out
Speaker 1: and was just like so sorry, and it ruined the tape.
Speaker 1: And I was like, look, hey, I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: saw it, but he was worried that other people saw
Speaker 1: it and didn't want to play it off, Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: who saw that? Did anyone's It was so uncomfortable, and
Speaker 1: he was trying so hard to be like above board,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're making it a big deal, making
Speaker 1: it oh my god. Yeah, this is why we have
Speaker 1: intimacy coordinators now because back then they were just like
Speaker 1: and go um. But yeah, he was very he was
Speaker 1: very courteous and yeah, we're just gonna kiss for the
Speaker 1: next six seasons. But when I liked about it, I
Speaker 1: liked the tenderness between the two of you in the
Speaker 1: scene in Lucas's room, and that he is being a
Speaker 1: bit of a teenage boy who's like, well why not
Speaker 1: now nobody's coming, And obviously you lean into it because
Speaker 1: the mister act is that Brooks going to interrupt. But later,
Speaker 1: what I really liked that I didn't expect was what
Speaker 1: they gave to you for Peyton. I loved hearing a
Speaker 1: girl say I'm glad we waited you know back then,
Speaker 1: like look at that time, yeah I wanted to hook
Speaker 1: up with you, and now I'm in love with you
Speaker 1: now I want all the things you said you wanted.
Speaker 1: Like it's such a beautiful moment where these two people
Speaker 1: who couldn't quite get on the same level in their
Speaker 1: growth are finally right there on the same page. And
Speaker 1: I loved it. I thought that it was so I
Speaker 1: don't know, it was just lovely. Like when we were
Speaker 1: watching the scene, I went, oh my god, that was
Speaker 1: so nice. I really like that for you two together. Well,
Speaker 1: our scene, listen, we knew what was coming at the
Speaker 1: end of the episode. Your anxiety spoiled, spoiled the surprise.
Speaker 1: But the scene that we had when Brooke comes into
Speaker 1: Lucas's room and interrupts them hooking up, Like, God, how
Speaker 1: uncomfortable her and Peyton get to connect again. God, it's
Speaker 1: exactly what you want to see between two teen girls,
Speaker 1: where it's grace and it's like, I love you. Basically,
Speaker 1: what that scene is is these two girls saying I
Speaker 1: love you, I love you, I love you, I love you.
Speaker 1: It's hard, but I love you. And that's the subtext
Speaker 1: for every single line that scene. Yes, I mean Brooks
Speaker 1: saying tell me what I have to do so you're comfortable.
Speaker 1: Isn't I love you? And Peyton saying they're just my drawings?
Speaker 1: You made them into something. Isn't I love you? And
Speaker 1: they they're giving each other these gifts of I want
Speaker 1: you to have whatever you want, and it's so it's
Speaker 1: so nice. Well, and Peyton's addressing like there's no beating
Speaker 1: around the bush. She's like, I love him, and I
Speaker 1: don't want me loving him to hurt you, you know, like,
Speaker 1: let's just be grown ups and talk about it. We
Speaker 1: don't even do that. No, these girls had it all
Speaker 1: figured out well. But what's so what I loved about
Speaker 1: it and what felt really honest about it, even though
Speaker 1: their teens, is because they've been in this tumult. I
Speaker 1: got the sense that Peyton's said that to herself over
Speaker 1: and over again, you saying, yes, Brooke, I love him,
Speaker 1: but I never wanted my love for him to hurt you.
Speaker 1: You have, you have distilled all your complicated feelings into
Speaker 1: that sentence. You've gone, you know what it is, and
Speaker 1: it's like you've been waiting to give it to me.
Speaker 1: She practices it in the car. Do you practice conversations
Speaker 1: in the car? Uh? I'm more as like a as
Speaker 1: a quirky, anxious person. I'm more re refight so like
Speaker 1: I had a fight, you know, I had an argument
Speaker 1: like six years ago with some like idiot I was dating,
Speaker 1: and and now I'm like, oh, what I should and said, like,
Speaker 1: after all these years of therapy and all the books
Speaker 1: I've read, I have the perfect answer. And then I'm like,
Speaker 1: well that felt fun, and then it's over, Like I
Speaker 1: don't really practice before I probably should. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that they were who didn't practice before. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that there were people that like don't talk it out
Speaker 1: with themselves before they talk it out with other people.
Speaker 1: And I'm driving in the car with my daughter having
Speaker 1: a conversation in the rear view mirror and George should
Speaker 1: who are you talking to? Oh my god? And I
Speaker 1: got called out by my kids. I was like, damn it,
Speaker 1: that's embarrassing. Now I love that, but I love that
Speaker 1: you're having fights from six years ago. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: what I should have said? Can you call me next
Speaker 1: time that happens? Oh? Absolutely, I've even done it with
Speaker 1: Like you know you know this because you were a VJ,
Speaker 1: Like you get caught live on the air and someone
Speaker 1: asked you something really shitty and you're live, there's nothing
Speaker 1: you can do about it. Like what I want to
Speaker 1: do to you, I can't do to you live on
Speaker 1: the air. Oh, disrespectful idiot, you know whatever. Like you
Speaker 1: can't say that, so you try to like crack a
Speaker 1: joke or like deflect and oh, I have come up
Speaker 1: with some singers then I wish I had on hand
Speaker 1: at the time, but I just I didn't. I will say, well,
Speaker 1: my palms are sweaty. I feel like I've just admitted
Speaker 1: like a team. I know. I'm like, oh god, but
Speaker 1: I do think. I do think it's really helpful to
Speaker 1: like to practice certain things ahead of time. That is
Speaker 1: something I've been learning more like in coaching, I'm like, oh, right,
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to do this. Like my coach literally said
Speaker 1: to me. She goes, you're an actor. You guys practice
Speaker 1: your lines before you do the scene. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your point that somebody wrote those? And she's like,
Speaker 1: you can write whatever you want. And I was like, oh, interesting,
Speaker 1: I've never given myself that permission. Slip in your car
Speaker 1: and they call you out. Oh my god. These girls,
Speaker 1: Heyton and Brooke have practiced their conversation the most beautiful
Speaker 1: reunion and then it's destroyed. Destroying. Also, why why is
Speaker 1: Nathan in the crowd on looking and broke it up
Speaker 1: by the TV, like it's all her fault. He did this. Everybody,
Speaker 1: she's that did this, and he's the one that did
Speaker 1: it and recorded it and kept it. Yeah. And by
Speaker 1: the way, Peyton runs out of bed with Lucas going,
Speaker 1: oh no, they're watching my sex tape. Like, clearly Nathan
Speaker 1: has a weird kink and suddenly it's the girls that
Speaker 1: are bad, wasn't I don't like porn on his computer? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a pattern, man, there's a pattern. Little freak, little
Speaker 1: dirty boy, I will say before we before his freakiness
Speaker 1: is revealed. I loved I loved that sequence with Brooke
Speaker 1: and Nathan outside. Yeah. I love those two being friends.
Speaker 1: I love the glimpse into their childhood friendship, wrestling in
Speaker 1: the sprinklers and laughing like their friendship. They're so similar
Speaker 1: in a world of people who don't understand them. I
Speaker 1: love I love seeing it. Of all the characters, they
Speaker 1: are the similar. You know, they have the same parental issues,
Speaker 1: They have the same money issues. They have the same
Speaker 1: I don't have money any more issues, have the same
Speaker 1: expectation at school issues. They are mirror images of each other,
Speaker 1: and I love the camaraderie between these two um too.
Speaker 1: I hope I don't. I mean I don't remember the
Speaker 1: next episode. I remember like punching you, but not you,
Speaker 1: like just punching the camera. Um, but I don't know
Speaker 1: what Haley's reaction is going to be. Like, that's a
Speaker 1: weird thing to find out that someone that's been your
Speaker 1: very dear friend and made your wedding dress to your husband.
Speaker 1: Like that's but so many years before you knew each other.
Speaker 1: It's bro Like, it's not that far. Oh god. We
Speaker 1: have a listener question from some man. She says, can
Speaker 1: you walk us through the filming process a little more?
Speaker 1: How much is the script or the director saying you'll
Speaker 1: enter here, pick up this cup, across the room, etcetera
Speaker 1: versus you getting to make those choices as an actor
Speaker 1: once you have the script. Can you play with the
Speaker 1: lines at all? I mean, here's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: For the big crowd stuff like the party, the pro
Speaker 1: actor move is to walk onto set and be like,
Speaker 1: what does camera need? How can I make it work? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because it's not just about you. It's about you and
Speaker 1: fifty other people. Um. In the crowd scenes at the party,
Speaker 1: my little brother is standing over my shoulder, when the
Speaker 1: sex tape stuff is happening, and that's all I can
Speaker 1: see is my brother John just being like whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not about you in the big crowd scenes,
Speaker 1: when it's a scene between you and one other person,
Speaker 1: those feel like the opportunities to me where you can
Speaker 1: collaborate with the director and be like, I feel like
Speaker 1: I get up right now. You know, um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Yeah? I fully agree. I mean
Speaker 1: I think A great way to illustrate that is there's
Speaker 1: the scene where Mouth and Skills are facing each other
Speaker 1: and Shelly walks in the door and back behind them
Speaker 1: by the doorway. You know, she walks between their two
Speaker 1: heads on camera and they decide to split, and then
Speaker 1: camera follows Mouth and then he goes one way, and
Speaker 1: cameras following Shelley, and then they run into each other.
Speaker 1: That's choreography from the director. That's the director saying this
Speaker 1: is how I'm going to get into this party. So
Speaker 1: as an actor you have to say, yep, I can
Speaker 1: do that. Great love it. And then in other aspects,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes to your point, Samantha, yes, the script says,
Speaker 1: you know, Broke walks into the room and picks up
Speaker 1: a coffee mug because she's supposed to throw the coffee
Speaker 1: mug at Rachel or something like that will be scripted,
Speaker 1: but very often if it's just a scene in the kitchen,
Speaker 1: props are not scripted and you get to figure it out.
Speaker 1: So it really is a case by case basis. You know,
Speaker 1: if something is so specific um that it needs to
Speaker 1: happen by the end of the scene, it will be
Speaker 1: on the page, and if it doesn't, it won't and
Speaker 1: you can figure it out. But it's not only um
Speaker 1: direct or dependent how much you get to collaborate, but
Speaker 1: it's also very often decided scene by scene. I can
Speaker 1: always tell a scene that's scheduled for the end of
Speaker 1: the day because a one shot of us sitting next
Speaker 1: to each other. You do it all the time, all
Speaker 1: the time. Do you just want us to sit next
Speaker 1: to each other and like talk out into the room
Speaker 1: so we can do this in a water Uh? And
Speaker 1: not everybody, Not every actor goes for that. Some actors
Speaker 1: are like, no, I need my coverage. I need to
Speaker 1: get up at this point and walk across the room.
Speaker 1: And you know that's there's a difference between performance and
Speaker 1: being production friendly, and you want to find like a
Speaker 1: good middle ground where it's like this is authentic to
Speaker 1: the character, but it's also production friendly, so we can
Speaker 1: shoot this in an hour and get everybody home. Um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it becomes TV wi is very, very different
Speaker 1: from movie work because it becomes about like technicalities and
Speaker 1: being able to do eight or nine pages a day,
Speaker 1: every single day and get people home on time so
Speaker 1: that the union rules are followed well and so that
Speaker 1: you can survive it. Because if you're doing a you know,
Speaker 1: you're doing a movie for four or six or maybe
Speaker 1: eight weeks, and that's like a crazy long movie. A
Speaker 1: TV show you're shooting for ten months a year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're working sixteen or seventeen hours a day. You
Speaker 1: do not have time to add an extra hour to
Speaker 1: the day. You just don't have it. I love the
Speaker 1: director that has storyboarded there and knows exactly what shots
Speaker 1: they want, and I'm just like, it feels like I'm like,
Speaker 1: to me, I can I can make that show? Like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're so frofared to me? I love who do you
Speaker 1: feel like? Is our honorable mention in this episode. I
Speaker 1: loved Rachel saying Brook, you're my friend. That was it
Speaker 1: for me because I feel that way about my girlfriends
Speaker 1: from high school, like things can be really really really
Speaker 1: bad and I can share a text with one of
Speaker 1: them and be like you're my friend and that fixes everything,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I love that. It's perfect. Is that yours?
Speaker 1: What's yours? Well? Yes, that that was on my mind.
Speaker 1: And now I feel like I have to crack a
Speaker 1: joke and say, are we sure it's not Nathan Scott's
Speaker 1: nipple ring in the fushbag video? You know how like
Speaker 1: in time it's like like a D and BC, like
Speaker 1: before Christ and after death and there's like before nipple
Speaker 1: ring and then post nipple ring, Oh my god, and
Speaker 1: Scott that's how we measured time. It's just so funny,
Speaker 1: like it being in the close up when he's setting
Speaker 1: up the cam quarter, You're just like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is early Tree Hill days. Gross, grosser, awesome
Speaker 1: one or the other. I don't know, Poor James. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine getting like a piece of metal just spirit
Speaker 1: gummed to your It's a hard note for me and
Speaker 1: no one's ever asked me to do that. Maybe the
Speaker 1: next year, and I don't want it. I don't want it.
Speaker 1: I just talked to my son about getting thing about
Speaker 1: in his ear ap pierced, and I told Jeff I
Speaker 1: was going to go with him, and he's like, what
Speaker 1: are you going to get pierced? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like what does a grown woman get
Speaker 1: pierced at this? Get another hole in your ear? I
Speaker 1: might get another hole in my ear. I think he's
Speaker 1: excited that I was going to get a Nathan Scott
Speaker 1: nipple ring. I mean, god, could you imagine? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: If I do, you'll get the picture of it, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: that feels fair. It'll be you are we gonna spin
Speaker 1: a wheel? Let's spin a wheel? Bad? The wine kicked in.
Speaker 1: I'm having a great time, Sophia. I know. I just
Speaker 1: finished my little baby glass and I'm like, maybe I
Speaker 1: want another father. I'm like a cook dinner now. Most
Speaker 1: likely to skip school. Well, on our show, it seems
Speaker 1: like all the kids are skipping school. Nathan seems old
Speaker 1: to go see deb uh, Lucas skip school to go
Speaker 1: buy a tucks. It's like they don't even bother going anymore?
Speaker 1: Do they just have free periods? What's going on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's weird. Um. Most likely to skip school. I feel
Speaker 1: like Nathan, He's always like doing something weird in real life.
Speaker 1: Not you, not me, not you will say. The first
Speaker 1: time I like legitimately skipped school, it was senior year.
Speaker 1: Blair Witch Project came out and I skipped school and
Speaker 1: I skipped schooled my best friend, Erika, and my brother
Speaker 1: and his best friend, and we're like in my cutlass
Speaker 1: and we drive to the movie theater and we're like, God,
Speaker 1: I hope no one sees this. It's the middle of
Speaker 1: the day, and we watched Blair Witch Project, fully believing
Speaker 1: that it's real because it was marketed as a documentary
Speaker 1: and not a fake movie. And we leave and we're
Speaker 1: so unsettled because we live in northern Virginia and it's
Speaker 1: very close to the Maryland Woods where that takes place,
Speaker 1: and we're so creeped out. But then we have to
Speaker 1: pretend with our parents like we're fine, we had a
Speaker 1: totally normal day and we're not creeped out. That was
Speaker 1: my school skipping experience. I mean, Joyce skipped school a
Speaker 1: lot to do her soap opera. That's her. She's a skipper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. She was like goodbye. She was like I'm
Speaker 1: working and going to the fancy bar to drink champagne.
Speaker 1: I'm fabulous, Page she was out. It was all right, oh,
Speaker 1: honorary school skipper. Next episode is season four, episode fifteen,
Speaker 1: prom Knight at Hat High. I might dress up. We
Speaker 1: probably should. This is going to be a gnarly one.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the next episode to me is two episodes.
Speaker 1: There's like the flashback to the Brook and Nathan mess,
Speaker 1: there's the big Peyton and Brooke fight that we know
Speaker 1: is coming, and then prom Knight means Derek is back,
Speaker 1: which feels like a full episode all in its own.
Speaker 1: We might have to do too. We might have to
Speaker 1: split this up. Guys at home, we can't. We make
Speaker 1: no promises. She just got for Christmas here, so I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna get chancy. Oh my god. Yes, let's get
Speaker 1: antsy okay, friends, get far with us next week. I
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