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Speaker 1: that high school drama, girl drama girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a rod in

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Speaker 1: our comic girl cheering for the right drama queens up

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Speaker 1: We've just watched for all of you hate listening to

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Speaker 1: episode fourteen, Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers. The irony that

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Speaker 1: this episode aired on freaking Valentine's Day in two thousand

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Speaker 1: Our director was Janice Cook. She was beam old director

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Speaker 1: it did God. I don't even know where to start.

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Speaker 1: all these assumptions over sixteen years. I didn't approach Dan,

426
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: and look how wonderful he's been right now? Did did

427
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: I rob my son of an opportunity? Did I rob

428
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: my son of this relationship? And so, yeah, he's just working.

429
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: That is, he's working. The way has never been more charming,

430
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: has never been more charming, has never been more magnetic.

431
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: And not only does she witness the way he's being

432
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: with Lucas in front of her, she sees him giving

433
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: Lucas advice and a person to confide in. I guess

434
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: doesn't see him. Rather, I should say here's She hears

435
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: it through the door. She hears them forming their own relationship,

436
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: Dan saying, hey, I see you like no one else

437
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: can see you. It'll be our secret. He's creating a

438
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: sort of avenue where Lucas can confide in him and

439
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: where he can have a parental male figure in his life.

440
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 1: And Karen is listening to that. And then in they

441
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: come with the door and dad bought his kid a

442
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: tucks and it's all it's very sweeping, lee romantic. Oh god.

443
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: When he's asked her to prom and she's like, are

444
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: you asking me to prom? And like flustered, she's pumped, pumped.

445
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: It feels good. We can feel Karen's relief almost because

446
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: if you fall for an assult, it makes you second

447
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: guess every decision you make, whether it's personal or professional.

448
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: But if that ends up coming around and you can

449
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: write it off as like that was a bad chapter

450
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: for him, but what was real, what I saw was real.

451
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: I was right. There's just a relief because it means

452
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: you're not crazy. It means you weren't duped, that you

453
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: saw something that actually existed. And I feel so bad

454
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: for mm hmm, deb deb it is it is a

455
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: wild thing, and you know, I have to say, there

456
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: are things that just don't age well. The way that

457
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: Nathan speaks to Debb about her alcoholism, which again was

458
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: written for the character to say, is so upsetting to me.

459
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: Him calling it a weakness and saying it is not

460
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: a disease when we literally know that addiction is a disease.

461
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: It's so dismissive and cruel, and it's like, why did

462
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: he even hager to visit her that day? Well, and

463
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: by the way, maybe it's all to set up that

464
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: he says to Haley, I think I was too hard

465
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: on my mom, so Haley can say, well, why don't

466
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: we move in with her, Let's be the martyrs, let's

467
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: be the heroes, let's help. You know. Maybe they thought, well,

468
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: he's really got to be terrible to Debb if he

469
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: if he's going to vent about it to Haley. But man,

470
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: that that was hard. Yeah, Yeah, that was really difficult

471
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: to watch because it's not like it's not like he

472
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: showed up and he was dismissive of her excuses. It's

473
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: not like she was like I'm so sorry, so sorry,

474
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: and he was just like, uh, you know, which is

475
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: probably more what a teen boy would do. He showed

476
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: up with like things he wanted to say, and they

477
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: cut to the quick, like he said hurtful things. Hayton's

478
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: mom had an illness. You're just weak, yeah, you said it.

479
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: You were like, that's Dan Scott's son. Yeah, that's some

480
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: Dan Scott level manipulation. And it was very I was

481
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: very taken aback to see it from Nathan, and I

482
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: think it was hard. You know, as we were talking

483
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: about it when the episode was on, you also said,

484
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: because I expressed my frustration that he was demeaning the

485
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: severity of what alcoholism is, and you said, he's also

486
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: demeaning the abuse she has survived. Yeah, because she's an

487
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: abuse survivor. It goes it goes back and forth with

488
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: Nathan a lot, where like one minute he's team Mommy,

489
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: where he's like, Mommy, we've survived Dan and his wrath

490
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: and the reign of terror, and then the next minute

491
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: he like letely forgets and it's like, oh, is your

492
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: life so hard living in that big, expensive house with

493
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, like whatever, I don't believe that came out

494
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: of that kid's mouth. No, it's wild and and the irony,

495
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, there's a lot of time between

496
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven and now, but the irony of

497
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: all the things we've learned. Do you remember that study

498
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: that came out that said, yeah, look, money can buy

499
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: you safe right now that I don't because you're the

500
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: data nerd. Oh my god, Okay, I'm sorry, but this

501
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 1: is actually really interesting. There's a study that came out

502
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago that talked about, like, you know,

503
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: everyone always says money can't buy happiness, and it's like, well, yeah,

504
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: but money can buy you security, it can buy you experience,

505
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: as it can buy you healthcare, and those things are

506
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: all great. But they've actually proven that money makes an

507
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: incremental difference in your year, in your life up to

508
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: the threshold where you take home seventy grand a year,

509
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Like the difference between taking home forty grand a year

510
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: and seventy grand a year is a big, big difference.

511
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: Past seventy grand a year into multimillions. They they've proven

512
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: that money doesn't make you any happier, which I find

513
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: really interesting. And there's a you know, it's like cliches

514
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: or cliches because they're True's why we say them all

515
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: of time. And so if money can't buy you happiness.

516
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: How interesting to look at someone like Deb and even

517
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: someone like Nathan, who have every privilege human beings could

518
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: possibly be afforded, and they're both suffering, and mother and

519
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: son are both suicidal, and you can have this conversation

520
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: about abusive relationships and how success is the illusion and

521
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: what's really going on behind the scenes. And here is

522
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: a kid we've talked about this all season. Nathan is

523
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: on suicide watch. He's been crying out for help, and

524
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: then his mother has a suicide attempt and he walks

525
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: in and goes, really, mom, suicide. Thanks for the note.

526
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: It felt so out of character for Nathan's journey that

527
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: I almost feel like in an early version of the script,

528
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: it was a dance scene and then they decided, because

529
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: they wanted Haley and Nathan to move in with Deb,

530
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: that Nathan should go instead, and they just didn't really

531
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: rewrite the scene. Well, whoever wrote Nathan this episode hasn't

532
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: been watching all of season four, because yes, he also

533
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: goes to Lucas when Lucas is at the party, hiding

534
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: out in the bedroom looking at the picture of Keith,

535
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, you gotta get over it. Man Keith

536
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: has gone I meanwhile, he's the one that was haunted

537
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: by Keith for Infinity episodes. Yes, it's so bizarre. Again,

538
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: there's there's great stuff in this episode, and I love

539
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: the we're getting close to graduating and we just one

540
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: stayed and there's a lot of nostalgia. I love that

541
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: they threw a party. I love that they threw a party.

542
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: But but the actual scenes between the characters Molt and Shelley,

543
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: Nathan and Deb, Nathan and Lucas, they kind of feel

544
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: like they don't make any sense. I'm like, who are

545
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: these people? Has anybody been watching our show? The kids

546
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: who are not economically well off are significantly happier than

547
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: the kids who are because Rachel, as you know, she's

548
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: in a bad place to Peter life, is dealing with

549
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: a bunch of badge Nathan, You've got Deb, and then

550
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: like the happy go lucky ones or skills, you know,

551
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: Karen's having a great time living at a little house,

552
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: you know, and Peyton is finally happy. Like the kids

553
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: who um were part of the river Court scene are,

554
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: with the exception of Mouths, are seemingly doing much better.

555
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: And maybe because there's not as much pressure on them,

556
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. When you're from a wealthy

557
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: family and it's like, okay, well what do I do

558
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: once I'm kicked out of the nest? You know that

559
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: can be frightening. Yeah, I'm I'm very curious with it,

560
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: in particular for Rachel because you see what she's doing.

561
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: And I love the scene between me and Danille when

562
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: Brooke chases her out of the party and asks what's

563
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: been going on and Rachel explains and there's nothing that

564
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: Brooke can say but thank you, and she means it. Oh,

565
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: look at you just clutching your chesty cutie. That really

566
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: got you. It really when Rachel said you're my friend, Brooke,

567
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: I felt betch and my bones and it was like

568
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: for Brooke, who is in a battle with her best

569
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: friend Peyton, and who has just lied to her other

570
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: best friend's face, right, and so that feels bad. That

571
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: feels bad when you're fighting with your friends. You know,

572
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: nobody likes that to have this girl say to her,

573
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm willing to sacrifice my future because yours is so bright.

574
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: You're my friend, Brook, Like, I love them that That

575
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: was probably my favorite moment of the episode. That was

576
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: my favorite especially for Brooke, who doesn't feel like people

577
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: bet on her. Yeah, well she also feels like it's

578
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: really easy for people to remove Brooke, you know, and

579
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: and that can feel bad when it's like, oh, Peyton

580
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: seems fine without me, and my parents are fine without me,

581
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: and my ex boyfriend is fine without me, and I

582
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: moved out of Haley's apartment so Nathan could move back

583
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: in fine without me, you know, to have someone prioritize

584
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: you the way Rachel is done. I wish you two

585
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: had ended up together. What a cute. Oh my god,

586
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: I know it would not have been so fun, but

587
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: it's it's again. It it reinforces the ways that especially

588
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: I think those two girls are stuck. Brooke is stuck.

589
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to hurt Haley, but she doesn't want

590
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: to hurt Rachel. Rachel knows she got Brooke in trouble,

591
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: but realizes how much worse it's going to be if

592
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: Brooke gets caught. Now wants to be Brook's friend and

593
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: has finally found a place where she fits in. And

594
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: you realize the magnitude of this, you know, expulsion when

595
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: she's putting away her little box from tree Hill High

596
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: and you see it lined up against all the rest

597
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: of the schools, and you realize that nobody bets on

598
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: Rachel either. It happens again and again and again, even

599
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: if she is self sabotaging, even if she's doing it

600
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: so that it can't be done to her. It's oh,

601
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: it's just heartbreaking. She's always like with the exception, I'm

602
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: trying to hook up with Nathan. She's always on the

603
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: moral up and up. Like. I love the character of

604
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: Rachel because I love an anti hero, you know, little

605
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift reference for the kids. I was just gonna ask.

606
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna be like, oh, somebody listened to Midnight?

607
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: Um do the kids say Bob anymore? I don't kind

608
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: I like the word. I appreciate an anti hero, and

609
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: Rachel is, you know, the perfect example of that. And

610
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: she doesn't try to defend herself to Haley. She takes

611
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: the hit. She leaves when she's told to leave like

612
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: that takes a big person to do the walk away.

613
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't think she gets enough credit.

614
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: You know, great, you guys have your fun. I served

615
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: my purpose here, I'm out. Yeah. This isn't the end

616
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: of Rachel, though, is it? Like why should I go.

617
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: Did they say she's expelled. I thought that's what the

618
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: principle threatened, but maybe not. I don't know. He like

619
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: when he's passing out that time, just staring at the

620
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: back of your head. I was like, So we had

621
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: some like when I was in high school, and they

622
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: don't really do anything about it. Kids, Just so you know,

623
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: they don't really do anything about it. You can remember, listen,

624
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: I didn't eat high school. I definitely cheated in college

625
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: because remember at the beginning of the internet when you

626
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: could buy papers, Oh my god, I would never what Hillary,

627
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: I was a v J. I was busy. I was

628
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: working forty hours a week. I mean, I know you

629
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: were busy. I just would never. I wasn't. There was

630
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: one paper. There was one paper on Gulliver's travels, and

631
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: I could not do it, and so I bought it online.

632
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: But it was like at the beginning of the internet,

633
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: so teachers weren't savvy to just like searching for sentences, right.

634
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: I definitely bought one paper. Um, and I'm not even

635
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: embarrassed about it because that's a dumb book. I just

636
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: loved writing so much that my senior year in high school,

637
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: I decided I wanted to take two AP English classes

638
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: instead of one AP English class and an AP math.

639
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't need calculus. This is dumb.

640
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to theater by um. So they

641
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: let me do it. So by the time I got

642
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: to college, all the seniors were coming to me to

643
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: be like, will you edit my paper for fill in

644
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: the blank class? And I was like, yeah, maybe I

645
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: bought of your papers. And what I realized, No, I

646
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: never sold my papers. I edited other people's. But I

647
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: was like, God, it should have been charging for that.

648
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: That is like valuable help. I legitimately paid fifty dollars

649
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: for a paper travel Oh my god. So when I

650
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: see about Brook cheeting on the test, I just don't care.

651
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't even care a little bit. I'm like, they graduate,

652
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: get out of there, very great. I just I wish

653
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: there was like more emphasis put rather than on your

654
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: paper or on your mid term. I wish we put

655
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: more emphasis on actually learning the information, on the ability

656
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: to digest complex ideas and think critically and engage in

657
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: conversation and debate with people. Could you imagine where our

658
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: political system would be if we could actually just talk

659
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: to each other instead of being like the answer is

660
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: B No, it's B man, like it's so dumb. Well,

661
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: also the fact that you were totally reliant. Brooke was

662
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: totally reliant on other kids to help her pass this class.

663
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: Like where's the teacher my calculus teachers senior year in

664
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: high school, I did well in the class, but I

665
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: wasn't an a student and he heard that I wasn't

666
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: going to take the AP exam at the end of

667
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: the year because I was taking all these other AP

668
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: exams and I just didn't feel like failing it. I

669
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: knew I was going to fail it, and he was like, Hillary,

670
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: you have to take it. I'm doing after school tutoring sessions.

671
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: I will personally help you. And Bruce Snyder, God bless

672
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: that math teacher. Um made sure that I passed that

673
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: AP exam, and I felt so good about myself after

674
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: the fact. But it's the only reason I passed it

675
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: is because an adult intervened and had Brooke had that

676
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: experience or instead of being the boy that she's kissing,

677
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: it's like an adult that sees this kid doesn't have

678
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: a lot of parental interaction. She's trying, really are she's

679
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: the president of this club. You know, if an adult

680
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: had showed up and been like, baby, I believe in you,

681
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: and you had to lie to that adult about that,

682
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: would that would have been That would have been nice. Yeah,

683
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: Like we had so many good teachers in real life.

684
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: I wish we'd had good teachers on the show too.

685
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: And it's weird because every once in a while we

686
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: had a great experience and then they would disappear. Even

687
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: Principal Turner, he's so militant in this episode, and you know,

688
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: him firing Haley felt so it just felt so unfair.

689
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: He knows her character. It felt like Haley was a

690
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: student he'd met for the first time, and for her

691
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: to be able to say I had a feeling and

692
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: I checked for my keys and whatever else, it all

693
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: just felt like a device that I didn't love. I

694
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: will say the device of joy bitch slapping Danil worked great.

695
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: God whoever coordinated that She's done lamb in the key

696
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: down on the table and wanted it back. And then

697
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: yeah at Rachel it was so funny, and I loved

698
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: watching the boys kind of be like damn, Haley. That

699
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: was a great That was a really great fun and

700
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: I love the way Antoine dismissed Rachel from the party

701
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: because it wasn't it wasn't like you belong here. It

702
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: was just like time to go, mama, you know, like

703
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: it was firm and safe. And I love the way

704
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: that that was all handled, and I get why Haley

705
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: slapped her. Haley is getting a different set of information

706
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: than the viewer, and so it's hard to be like, Haley,

707
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: light up because the first set of information is like

708
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: this chick is problematic at E three turn. Yeah, well,

709
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: and she's coming for all of my stability, my husband,

710
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: my job, my school, my best friend. Yeah, all the things,

711
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: all the things. I want to talk about Peyton and

712
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: Lucas because I I mean, I say this all the time,

713
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: like the fan base is like you never addressed it,

714
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: Like we're finally in a great place. I don't love

715
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: like Peyton Lucas when they're sneaking around, you know, but

716
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: Peyton Lucas like in a decided relationship, we're going to

717
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: be together. I love his interactions with Glenda in this episode.

718
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: I love that Peyton wasn't jealous but was like, what

719
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: did you get that girl? But that's a little bit

720
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: of just like, oh do you wanna tell me about it. Yeah,

721
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: She's like, well, what don't what don't I know he

722
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: knows that he's lying and doesn't call him out. Yeah,

723
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: what I love about it? You know what? It really

724
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: reminded me of. Um remember early on when Brooke and

725
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: Lucas are dating and Peyton says give him the CD

726
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: and Brooke does and she's like, oh, yeah, I track

727
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: thirteen and he he comes to you and says, there

728
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: is no track thirteen on this record. Like, I know

729
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: this is you gave her this. It's a call back

730
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: to that for me. And the nostalgia is so sweet,

731
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: and I can see how much fun you're having. Like

732
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: I actually made a note about how you know Lucas

733
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: gave his book to Glenda but didn't tell Peyton it

734
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: was done, Like what And instead of being upset, she

735
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: she plays with him. She thinks it's cute. She wants

736
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: to get in there in a way that is fun.

737
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: It's not threatened or threatening, and and it goes back

738
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: in every direction with you two. It feels nostalgic, it

739
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: feels sweet, it feels pure. I liked it because, to

740
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: your point, so many of the relationships on our show

741
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: are based in threat. It's like someone's gonna find out online.

742
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna find out I did this thing. Someone's gonna

743
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: find out, find out, find out. And Peyton and Lucas,

744
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: because they were in the friend zone for a long time,

745
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: have developed this rapport of like I could find out

746
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: whatever about you. I'm still unto you, you know, like

747
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: tell me the worst thing you did. I know, you know,

748
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: thanks for telling me, but I already know. Um. And

749
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: there was so much physicality between our characters, you know,

750
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: like that we've had years of like are they are not?

751
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: Are they aren't they? You know, stolen kisses, all that

752
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: kind of bulsh. Once the floodgates were opened, they were

753
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: just like you two were just gonna sub face like

754
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: all episode and the fans are gonna love it, so

755
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: do that. And I said to you when when Peyton

756
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: Lucas go upstairs to the bedroom at Nathan's house, I

757
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 1: was like, why did they not have sex at Lucas's

758
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: house where there was like some level of privacy. They're

759
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: the only to people in the house. He's like, my

760
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: mom's not coming home. Why did they go to a

761
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: house party with a people downstairs at her ex boyfriend's

762
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: house where she used to have sex with him. Yeah,

763
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: to finally hook up is just embarrassing. But shooting that

764
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: scene with my boyfriend and my brother and my boyfriend's

765
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: dad and his uncle, and like the entire crew that

766
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: I was related to it for one way or another

767
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: watching was such a god cringe e. And so Chad

768
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: was a great sport about it. He knew how weird

769
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: it was for me to have the people yelling rolling

770
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: and cut be the people that I like lived with

771
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: and so and your actual boyfriend and you're shooting a

772
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: scene with your TV boyfriend and your actual boyfriend is watching.

773
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's the one yelling rolling. It's a nightmare.

774
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm so uncomfortable. So they and yell cut. But this

775
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: is an embarrassing story. I hope Chad doesn't get upset.

776
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: I tell the story. There was one point where his

777
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: beard hair got caught on my brawl and it pulled

778
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: my bra away a little bit, and Chad freaked out

779
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: and was just like so sorry, and it ruined the tape.

780
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, look, hey, I don't think anyone

781
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: saw it, but he was worried that other people saw

782
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: it and didn't want to play it off, Like I'm like,

783
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: who saw that? Did anyone's It was so uncomfortable, and

784
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: he was trying so hard to be like above board,

785
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're making it a big deal, making

786
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: it oh my god. Yeah, this is why we have

787
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: intimacy coordinators now because back then they were just like

788
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: and go um. But yeah, he was very he was

789
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: very courteous and yeah, we're just gonna kiss for the

790
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: next six seasons. But when I liked about it, I

791
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: liked the tenderness between the two of you in the

792
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: scene in Lucas's room, and that he is being a

793
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: bit of a teenage boy who's like, well why not

794
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: now nobody's coming, And obviously you lean into it because

795
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: the mister act is that Brooks going to interrupt. But later,

796
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: what I really liked that I didn't expect was what

797
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: they gave to you for Peyton. I loved hearing a

798
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: girl say I'm glad we waited you know back then,

799
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: like look at that time, yeah I wanted to hook

800
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: up with you, and now I'm in love with you

801
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: now I want all the things you said you wanted.

802
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: Like it's such a beautiful moment where these two people

803
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: who couldn't quite get on the same level in their

804
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: growth are finally right there on the same page. And

805
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: I loved it. I thought that it was so I

806
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: don't know, it was just lovely. Like when we were

807
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: watching the scene, I went, oh my god, that was

808
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: so nice. I really like that for you two together. Well,

809
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: our scene, listen, we knew what was coming at the

810
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: end of the episode. Your anxiety spoiled, spoiled the surprise.

811
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: But the scene that we had when Brooke comes into

812
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: Lucas's room and interrupts them hooking up, Like, God, how

813
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: uncomfortable her and Peyton get to connect again. God, it's

814
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: exactly what you want to see between two teen girls,

815
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: where it's grace and it's like, I love you. Basically,

816
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: what that scene is is these two girls saying I

817
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: love you, I love you, I love you, I love you.

818
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: It's hard, but I love you. And that's the subtext

819
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: for every single line that scene. Yes, I mean Brooks

820
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: saying tell me what I have to do so you're comfortable.

821
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: Isn't I love you? And Peyton saying they're just my drawings?

822
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: You made them into something. Isn't I love you? And

823
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: they they're giving each other these gifts of I want

824
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: you to have whatever you want, and it's so it's

825
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: so nice. Well, and Peyton's addressing like there's no beating

826
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: around the bush. She's like, I love him, and I

827
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: don't want me loving him to hurt you, you know, like,

828
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: let's just be grown ups and talk about it. We

829
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: don't even do that. No, these girls had it all

830
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: figured out well. But what's so what I loved about

831
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: it and what felt really honest about it, even though

832
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: their teens, is because they've been in this tumult. I

833
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: got the sense that Peyton's said that to herself over

834
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: and over again, you saying, yes, Brooke, I love him,

835
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: but I never wanted my love for him to hurt you.

836
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: You have, you have distilled all your complicated feelings into

837
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: that sentence. You've gone, you know what it is, and

838
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: it's like you've been waiting to give it to me.

839
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 1: She practices it in the car. Do you practice conversations

840
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: in the car? Uh? I'm more as like a as

841
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: a quirky, anxious person. I'm more re refight so like

842
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: I had a fight, you know, I had an argument

843
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: like six years ago with some like idiot I was dating,

844
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: and and now I'm like, oh, what I should and said, like,

845
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: after all these years of therapy and all the books

846
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: I've read, I have the perfect answer. And then I'm like,

847
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: well that felt fun, and then it's over, Like I

848
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: don't really practice before I probably should. I didn't know

849
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: that they were who didn't practice before. I didn't know

850
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: that there were people that like don't talk it out

851
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: with themselves before they talk it out with other people.

852
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: And I'm driving in the car with my daughter having

853
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: a conversation in the rear view mirror and George should

854
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: who are you talking to? Oh my god? And I

855
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: got called out by my kids. I was like, damn it,

856
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: that's embarrassing. Now I love that, but I love that

857
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: you're having fights from six years ago. I'm like, oh,

858
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: what I should have said? Can you call me next

859
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: time that happens? Oh? Absolutely, I've even done it with

860
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 1: Like you know you know this because you were a VJ,

861
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: Like you get caught live on the air and someone

862
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: asked you something really shitty and you're live, there's nothing

863
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: you can do about it. Like what I want to

864
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: do to you, I can't do to you live on

865
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: the air. Oh, disrespectful idiot, you know whatever. Like you

866
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: can't say that, so you try to like crack a

867
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: joke or like deflect and oh, I have come up

868
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: with some singers then I wish I had on hand

869
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: at the time, but I just I didn't. I will say, well,

870
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: my palms are sweaty. I feel like I've just admitted

871
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: like a team. I know. I'm like, oh god, but

872
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: I do think. I do think it's really helpful to

873
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: like to practice certain things ahead of time. That is

874
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: something I've been learning more like in coaching, I'm like, oh, right,

875
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to do this. Like my coach literally said

876
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 1: to me. She goes, you're an actor. You guys practice

877
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: your lines before you do the scene. And I was like, yeah,

878
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: what's your point that somebody wrote those? And she's like,

879
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: you can write whatever you want. And I was like, oh, interesting,

880
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: I've never given myself that permission. Slip in your car

881
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: and they call you out. Oh my god. These girls,

882
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: Heyton and Brooke have practiced their conversation the most beautiful

883
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: reunion and then it's destroyed. Destroying. Also, why why is

884
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: Nathan in the crowd on looking and broke it up

885
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: by the TV, like it's all her fault. He did this. Everybody,

886
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: she's that did this, and he's the one that did

887
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: it and recorded it and kept it. Yeah. And by

888
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: the way, Peyton runs out of bed with Lucas going,

889
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: oh no, they're watching my sex tape. Like, clearly Nathan

890
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: has a weird kink and suddenly it's the girls that

891
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: are bad, wasn't I don't like porn on his computer? Yes, yeah,

892
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: there's a pattern, man, there's a pattern. Little freak, little

893
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: dirty boy, I will say before we before his freakiness

894
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: is revealed. I loved I loved that sequence with Brooke

895
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: and Nathan outside. Yeah. I love those two being friends.

896
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: I love the glimpse into their childhood friendship, wrestling in

897
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: the sprinklers and laughing like their friendship. They're so similar

898
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: in a world of people who don't understand them. I

899
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: love I love seeing it. Of all the characters, they

900
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: are the similar. You know, they have the same parental issues,

901
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: They have the same money issues. They have the same

902
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 1: I don't have money any more issues, have the same

903
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: expectation at school issues. They are mirror images of each other,

904
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: and I love the camaraderie between these two um too.

905
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: I hope I don't. I mean I don't remember the

906
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: next episode. I remember like punching you, but not you,

907
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: like just punching the camera. Um, but I don't know

908
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: what Haley's reaction is going to be. Like, that's a

909
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: weird thing to find out that someone that's been your

910
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: very dear friend and made your wedding dress to your husband.

911
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: Like that's but so many years before you knew each other.

912
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: It's bro Like, it's not that far. Oh god. We

913
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: have a listener question from some man. She says, can

914
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: you walk us through the filming process a little more?

915
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: How much is the script or the director saying you'll

916
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: enter here, pick up this cup, across the room, etcetera

917
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: versus you getting to make those choices as an actor

918
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: once you have the script. Can you play with the

919
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: lines at all? I mean, here's what I'm gonna say.

920
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: For the big crowd stuff like the party, the pro

921
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: actor move is to walk onto set and be like,

922
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: what does camera need? How can I make it work? Yeah?

923
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: Because it's not just about you. It's about you and

924
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: fifty other people. Um. In the crowd scenes at the party,

925
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: my little brother is standing over my shoulder, when the

926
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: sex tape stuff is happening, and that's all I can

927
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: see is my brother John just being like whoa, whoa.

928
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not about you in the big crowd scenes,

929
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: when it's a scene between you and one other person,

930
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: those feel like the opportunities to me where you can

931
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: collaborate with the director and be like, I feel like

932
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: I get up right now. You know, um, I don't know,

933
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: what do you think? Yeah? I fully agree. I mean

934
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: I think A great way to illustrate that is there's

935
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: the scene where Mouth and Skills are facing each other

936
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: and Shelly walks in the door and back behind them

937
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: by the doorway. You know, she walks between their two

938
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: heads on camera and they decide to split, and then

939
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: camera follows Mouth and then he goes one way, and

940
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: cameras following Shelley, and then they run into each other.

941
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: That's choreography from the director. That's the director saying this

942
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: is how I'm going to get into this party. So

943
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: as an actor you have to say, yep, I can

944
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: do that. Great love it. And then in other aspects,

945
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes to your point, Samantha, yes, the script says,

946
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, Broke walks into the room and picks up

947
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 1: a coffee mug because she's supposed to throw the coffee

948
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: mug at Rachel or something like that will be scripted,

949
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: but very often if it's just a scene in the kitchen,

950
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: props are not scripted and you get to figure it out.

951
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: So it really is a case by case basis. You know,

952
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: if something is so specific um that it needs to

953
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: happen by the end of the scene, it will be

954
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: on the page, and if it doesn't, it won't and

955
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: you can figure it out. But it's not only um

956
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: direct or dependent how much you get to collaborate, but

957
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: it's also very often decided scene by scene. I can

958
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: always tell a scene that's scheduled for the end of

959
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: the day because a one shot of us sitting next

960
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: to each other. You do it all the time, all

961
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: the time. Do you just want us to sit next

962
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: to each other and like talk out into the room

963
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: so we can do this in a water Uh? And

964
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: not everybody, Not every actor goes for that. Some actors

965
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: are like, no, I need my coverage. I need to

966
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: get up at this point and walk across the room.

967
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: And you know that's there's a difference between performance and

968
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: being production friendly, and you want to find like a

969
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: good middle ground where it's like this is authentic to

970
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: the character, but it's also production friendly, so we can

971
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: shoot this in an hour and get everybody home. Um,

972
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: so yeah, it becomes TV wi is very, very different

973
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: from movie work because it becomes about like technicalities and

974
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: being able to do eight or nine pages a day,

975
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: every single day and get people home on time so

976
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: that the union rules are followed well and so that

977
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: you can survive it. Because if you're doing a you know,

978
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: you're doing a movie for four or six or maybe

979
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: eight weeks, and that's like a crazy long movie. A

980
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 1: TV show you're shooting for ten months a year. Yeah,

981
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: and you're working sixteen or seventeen hours a day. You

982
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: do not have time to add an extra hour to

983
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: the day. You just don't have it. I love the

984
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: director that has storyboarded there and knows exactly what shots

985
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: they want, and I'm just like, it feels like I'm like,

986
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: to me, I can I can make that show? Like, Oh,

987
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: you're so frofared to me? I love who do you

988
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: feel like? Is our honorable mention in this episode. I

989
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: loved Rachel saying Brook, you're my friend. That was it

990
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: for me because I feel that way about my girlfriends

991
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: from high school, like things can be really really really

992
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: bad and I can share a text with one of

993
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: them and be like you're my friend and that fixes everything,

994
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I love that. It's perfect. Is that yours?

995
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: What's yours? Well? Yes, that that was on my mind.

996
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: And now I feel like I have to crack a

997
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: joke and say, are we sure it's not Nathan Scott's

998
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: nipple ring in the fushbag video? You know how like

999
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: in time it's like like a D and BC, like

1000
00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: before Christ and after death and there's like before nipple

1001
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: ring and then post nipple ring, Oh my god, and

1002
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: Scott that's how we measured time. It's just so funny,

1003
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: like it being in the close up when he's setting

1004
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: up the cam quarter, You're just like, oh, yeah, this

1005
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: is this is early Tree Hill days. Gross, grosser, awesome

1006
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: one or the other. I don't know, Poor James. Can

1007
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: you imagine getting like a piece of metal just spirit

1008
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: gummed to your It's a hard note for me and

1009
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: no one's ever asked me to do that. Maybe the

1010
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: next year, and I don't want it. I don't want it.

1011
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 1: I just talked to my son about getting thing about

1012
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: in his ear ap pierced, and I told Jeff I

1013
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: was going to go with him, and he's like, what

1014
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: are you going to get pierced? And I was like,

1015
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like what does a grown woman get

1016
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: pierced at this? Get another hole in your ear? I

1017
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: might get another hole in my ear. I think he's

1018
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: excited that I was going to get a Nathan Scott

1019
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: nipple ring. I mean, god, could you imagine? Oh my god,

1020
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: If I do, you'll get the picture of it, Like, okay,

1021
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: that feels fair. It'll be you are we gonna spin

1022
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: a wheel? Let's spin a wheel? Bad? The wine kicked in.

1023
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm having a great time, Sophia. I know. I just

1024
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: finished my little baby glass and I'm like, maybe I

1025
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: want another father. I'm like a cook dinner now. Most

1026
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: likely to skip school. Well, on our show, it seems

1027
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,919
Speaker 1: like all the kids are skipping school. Nathan seems old

1028
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: to go see deb uh, Lucas skip school to go

1029
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: buy a tucks. It's like they don't even bother going anymore?

1030
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: Do they just have free periods? What's going on? Yeah,

1031
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 1: that's weird. Um. Most likely to skip school. I feel

1032
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: like Nathan, He's always like doing something weird in real life.

1033
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: Not you, not me, not you will say. The first

1034
01:01:55,080 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: time I like legitimately skipped school, it was senior year.

1035
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: Blair Witch Project came out and I skipped school and

1036
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: I skipped schooled my best friend, Erika, and my brother

1037
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: and his best friend, and we're like in my cutlass

1038
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: and we drive to the movie theater and we're like, God,

1039
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: I hope no one sees this. It's the middle of

1040
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: the day, and we watched Blair Witch Project, fully believing

1041
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: that it's real because it was marketed as a documentary

1042
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: and not a fake movie. And we leave and we're

1043
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: so unsettled because we live in northern Virginia and it's

1044
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: very close to the Maryland Woods where that takes place,

1045
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: and we're so creeped out. But then we have to

1046
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: pretend with our parents like we're fine, we had a

1047
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: totally normal day and we're not creeped out. That was

1048
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: my school skipping experience. I mean, Joyce skipped school a

1049
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: lot to do her soap opera. That's her. She's a skipper. Yeah,

1050
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: you're right. She was like goodbye. She was like I'm

1051
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: working and going to the fancy bar to drink champagne.

1052
01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm fabulous, Page she was out. It was all right, oh,

1053
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Speaker 1: honorary school skipper. Next episode is season four, episode fifteen,

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Speaker 1: prom Knight at Hat High. I might dress up. We

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Speaker 1: probably should. This is going to be a gnarly one.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like the next episode to me is two episodes.

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Speaker 1: There's like the flashback to the Brook and Nathan mess,

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Speaker 1: there's the big Peyton and Brooke fight that we know

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Speaker 1: is coming, and then prom Knight means Derek is back,

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Speaker 1: which feels like a full episode all in its own.

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Speaker 1: We might have to do too. We might have to

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Speaker 1: split this up. Guys at home, we can't. We make

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Speaker 1: no promises. She just got for Christmas here, so I'm

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Speaker 1: probably gonna get chancy. Oh my god. Yes, let's get

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Speaker 1: antsy okay, friends, get far with us next week. I

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Speaker 1: love y'all. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave

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Speaker 1: drama Queens at I heart radio dot com. See you

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Speaker 1: next time. We are all about that high school drama girl.

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Speaker 1: Drama Girl all about them high school queens. We'll take

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Speaker 1: you for a ride in our comic Girl Cheering for

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Speaker 1: but your tough girl, you could sit with us. Girl

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