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Speaker 1: today on Sunday Week ten. A great Sunday of action,
Speaker 1: wasn't it? Mark? Oh yeah, we really if you want
Speaker 1: to go home Mark with Actually this may be the
Speaker 1: best thing that's ever happened to me. Uh No, A
Speaker 1: lot of great games today Sunday we had, um and
Speaker 1: we were able to really key in on them as
Speaker 1: a group because there were less games because of the
Speaker 1: six teams on by, so we uh a lot to
Speaker 1: get to and it was again one of those weeks
Speaker 1: where just when you think you have things figured out,
Speaker 1: there's some curveballs like what happened at the Superdome today.
Speaker 1: And also all the one in seven teams won, like
Speaker 1: every one of them. Uh So you know the NFL,
Speaker 1: it's unpredictable. How about that for a catchphrase? I have
Speaker 1: to it's almost like any given Sunday, anything can happen.
Speaker 1: Did you come up with that? Just now? That's good?
Speaker 1: That is good. Anyway, on any given Sunday, anything could happen.
Speaker 1: And we saw that again. So we're gonna go through
Speaker 1: each of the Sunday games. Uh capping it with the
Speaker 1: showdown in Big D the Vikings and Cowboys. But let's
Speaker 1: start with what I believe was the high scoring game
Speaker 1: of Week ten so far, in a game that came
Speaker 1: with a shocking ending of its own. Let's go to Nashville.
Speaker 1: Tannehill looking cloking, firing, a little bit of fun, hut
Speaker 1: Fries five pure cut him uns. Titans fans always upset.
Speaker 1: You never give us love. You're always, you know, keeping
Speaker 1: us down. Well, now you're leading the show, so you
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Mike Keith with the call, Titans Radio Network.
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill twenty three yards strike to Adam Humphreys with
Speaker 1: twenty three seconds to play, and then Joshua Kalou blocked
Speaker 1: the last second field goal attempt. The Titans beat the
Speaker 1: Chiefs thirty thirty two in Patrick Mahomes's return to the lineup.
Speaker 1: Greg Mahomes was excellent as always in his return. But
Speaker 1: a Chief's defense, we were just singing Osanna's over a
Speaker 1: week ago. You know, they landed on the wrong side
Speaker 1: of the tann scale. They did. Tannehill has come in
Speaker 1: and he hasn't played that great, but he's had a
Speaker 1: knack for making big plays in the big moments. That's
Speaker 1: three game winning drives in four starts. In the two
Speaker 1: most memorable plays I think the Titans had on offense
Speaker 1: was him trucking some Chief's defensive backs, one on a
Speaker 1: scramble on third and long, which which set up a score,
Speaker 1: and then another on the two point conversion. And yet
Speaker 1: I don't take too many negatives away from the this
Speaker 1: Chief's performance. A lot of crazy things happen, but especially
Speaker 1: on special teams where Bucker missed an extra point which
Speaker 1: is the reason that they were trailing three late because
Speaker 1: they went for two. They were only up one late.
Speaker 1: They had an ex field goal block of course, that
Speaker 1: ended the game, and they should have been up eight
Speaker 1: with a minute and a half to go, and they
Speaker 1: snapped the ball before their holder was ready, and they
Speaker 1: got the first ever intentional grounding on a holder, Dustin
Speaker 1: cole Quit with about a minute forty to go, that
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my entire life, which set up
Speaker 1: the Titans game winning touchdown. So the Chief's offense, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was it was flukey. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think the Chief's offense is so good. I'm not concerned
Speaker 1: about the long term. But the Titans did a great
Speaker 1: job after halftime finding a way to win this. Be
Speaker 1: concerned about one thing, though, because you now have four losses.
Speaker 1: That's the Chiefs, and you're in a conference that looked
Speaker 1: a little whacky a couple weeks ago. But the Ravens
Speaker 1: are surging with two losses, Texans with three, you're you're
Speaker 1: falling out of that spot to get a buy if
Speaker 1: you keep up these fluke people. And that's what when
Speaker 1: they managed with Matt Moore to beat the Vikings last week,
Speaker 1: it felt like such an important win to them because
Speaker 1: this is a team that does need to go eleven
Speaker 1: and five or twelve and four and get themselves set
Speaker 1: up for January football. Uh. And yet dropping this game
Speaker 1: and it's no sin to to lose on the road
Speaker 1: against the capable team like the Titans are. Tetans aren't
Speaker 1: a great team, but they they've they've showed fight almost
Speaker 1: every week the season, especially since town Hall got in
Speaker 1: the lineup. But at a certain point you need to
Speaker 1: get out a run. And it's six and four. Their
Speaker 1: chances of getting a bye, uh, even the division you
Speaker 1: can't just handed to and they're only one game ahead
Speaker 1: of the Raiders now, yeah. And on the other side,
Speaker 1: the Titans. I mean, look what the Colts are doing
Speaker 1: in that division the last two weeks. The Texans are
Speaker 1: in first place, but have the Ravens and Patriots and
Speaker 1: two of the next three weeks, so you can't rule
Speaker 1: out the Titans. Well, plus the wild card spot. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll get to the Bills later, but both of the
Speaker 1: wild card spots are gonna be wide open. The Titans.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be too surprised. Find a way to get
Speaker 1: a win, to get to five and five, which is
Speaker 1: just what the Titans do, and you I do give
Speaker 1: him credit for in the second half. It's a trend.
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry gets rolling. I mean, the Chiefs are a
Speaker 1: team I trust because they throw the ball so well.
Speaker 1: And Mahomes was awesome today. He missed one throw early
Speaker 1: where it would have gone to Tyreek Hill to make
Speaker 1: it seventeen nothing they had at one point I think,
Speaker 1: really halftime, it was forty one plays for the Chiefs
Speaker 1: to eight teen for the Titans, and this could have
Speaker 1: been a walk early. Mahomes missed that throw, but didn't
Speaker 1: miss many and most of the times they were stopped
Speaker 1: where because of Tyreek Hill or Sammy Watkins drops are
Speaker 1: kind of unforced airs. But when the Titans got the
Speaker 1: ball late, like, they found a way to make big plays.
Speaker 1: Tannehill had a pretty throw to cleave Raymond and Henry,
Speaker 1: especially down the stretch, ran all over the Chiefs, and
Speaker 1: the Chiefs run defense is a problem. Their past defense
Speaker 1: is pretty good, but the run defense is a problem.
Speaker 1: And they also lost Emmanuel Ogba in this game to
Speaker 1: a torn pick tour. He's been good. The two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five yards on the ground at eight point
Speaker 1: seven yards per carrying. I mean, you get these Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry games every once in a while where he had
Speaker 1: nearly two hundred on his own where he explodes and
Speaker 1: the Titans offense looks completely different, but they had some
Speaker 1: I feel like every time he looked up, Tannehill was
Speaker 1: connecting with targets on big plays, which has been totally
Speaker 1: absent for chunks of Tennessee season. There that is becoming
Speaker 1: slightly annoying. Just agree with yourself, um, And so much
Speaker 1: for Patrick Mahomes being ease back into action, not that
Speaker 1: anybody speculated that would happen, but thirty six out of
Speaker 1: fifty for four six, so he was out there. It
Speaker 1: could have been more. It felt like it could have
Speaker 1: been more like the Titans had no answer. Uh, he
Speaker 1: looked awesome and yet he still didn't look a hundred percent.
Speaker 1: They rolled him out and he was on the move
Speaker 1: a number of times. He was hesitant to run. I
Speaker 1: don't think he scrambled the entire game, and he was
Speaker 1: in Romo commented on it. He was he seemed like
Speaker 1: he was moving at about eight and yet he had
Speaker 1: so many crazy throws, including you know, I jumped past
Speaker 1: to mcole Hardman that ended up being a sixty three
Speaker 1: yeard touchdown, which was one of the most ridiculous places
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I know Mitchell Schwartz smith some time
Speaker 1: with a knee injury and it was the first snaps
Speaker 1: he's missed in seven and a half years. He has
Speaker 1: been a total rock in Cleveland first, but now with
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. One of the reads they lost this game
Speaker 1: is is there line the Chiefs that is was really
Speaker 1: banged up. At one point when schwartz was out, they
Speaker 1: were down four offensive linemen. They if they had one
Speaker 1: more injury, they wouldn't have had anyone left to put in.
Speaker 1: Uh and Mahomes was pressured quite a bit by Harold
Speaker 1: Landry uh confirming what you said. There was no credited
Speaker 1: rushing rushing attempt by Mahomes and also Tyreek Hill targeted
Speaker 1: nineteen times in this game. He finished for eleven seven
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. So yes, a tough loss with the
Speaker 1: Chiefs there six and four. That was their first loss
Speaker 1: away from Arrowhead Stadium. I think we all feel like
Speaker 1: they're still gonna be okay, but they gotta get on
Speaker 1: a winning streak. Let us move on. Jackson will keep
Speaker 1: it on the readoption. He's got spins at the thirty,
Speaker 1: He's got REALM twenty. Lamar Jackson ted five touchdown ravens.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson put the spin the sprint on the score.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's Michael Vicken two. This is unbelievable. Jerry
Speaker 1: Sandusky and Dennis Dennis Pitta of w B a L
Speaker 1: with the call. J R. Johnson's also on that team.
Speaker 1: I don't want to speculate that was pittat with the
Speaker 1: second voice that came in, so let's say Johnson could
Speaker 1: have been there as well done. Lamar Jackson rules the
Speaker 1: world the dual threat QB. He threw three touchdowns and
Speaker 1: then that forty seven yard Madden like touchdown run vic
Speaker 1: Like if you want to hear it from Pitta and
Speaker 1: or Johnson, the Ravens roll up the Bengals. The Ravens
Speaker 1: are now seven and two. They have the looks of
Speaker 1: an emerging emerging juggernaut. Mark my goodness. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the play is Jackson like, it's not the Michael
Speaker 1: Vick is a fine comparison in terms of athletic ability,
Speaker 1: but he's his own guy and he's doing things that
Speaker 1: it reminds me when I was young and you saw
Speaker 1: Steve Young rumble against the Vikings on that one run
Speaker 1: that they've played four billion times since. They're gonna do
Speaker 1: that with this, and there are kids watching this that
Speaker 1: are gonna want to go out and play football after
Speaker 1: school and do the same thing. And they showed they
Speaker 1: slowed that down and showed him escaping five would be
Speaker 1: Bengals tacklers in the course of like twenty something yards.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's every game. He's doing this because
Speaker 1: he's m v P worthy. He's the most exciting player
Speaker 1: next to Patrick Mahomes in the entire league right now.
Speaker 1: And the Ravens are the team that found a way
Speaker 1: to form an offense around him that has opponents totally beguiled.
Speaker 1: The Bengals played this team not that long ago. They
Speaker 1: appear to have learned literally nothing from that game, and
Speaker 1: I almost can't aimed them because they just have no
Speaker 1: way to stop what Lamar Jackson's doing. And it was
Speaker 1: through the air too, And we mentioned this on our
Speaker 1: sky hit that they used their tight ends Mark Andrews,
Speaker 1: Nick Boyle, and Hayden Hurst from wire to wire and
Speaker 1: it was a gronk like stat line between all three
Speaker 1: of them twelve catches, a hundred and fifty one yards
Speaker 1: and two touchdowns. But they made it so clear to
Speaker 1: Cincinnati right out of the gate, we are going to
Speaker 1: attack you with these three guys. Figure out a way
Speaker 1: to stop it. Cincinnati. We get that their punch list
Speaker 1: could do literally nothing, and Cincinnati's rolling out. Ryan Finley
Speaker 1: first start, to me, looked a little bit like an
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton esque type passer. He he wasn't bad or
Speaker 1: good necessarily. I don't think it has any It makes
Speaker 1: me well, It makes no statement that Andy Dalton should
Speaker 1: honestly be benched. I think Dalton could have done more
Speaker 1: in this game, but he couldn't the Bengals just have
Speaker 1: so many issues. They were so overwhelmed out of the gate,
Speaker 1: and it was just I honestly, it's one of the
Speaker 1: first times I watched the Bengals and just literally felt
Speaker 1: bad for the entire franchise. When when we were talking
Speaker 1: about Lamar Jackson entering this season, obviously the talk was,
Speaker 1: we know he's an most of athlete, but can he
Speaker 1: become an effective passer? This is another performance where it's
Speaker 1: like he is doing it all. Fifteen of seventeen for
Speaker 1: two twenty three. He's averaging thirteen yards attempt in this game,
Speaker 1: an attempt in this game, three touchdowns, no picks, a
Speaker 1: perfect passer rating. Uh, he is to me right now,
Speaker 1: you know now he's the m v P as. This
Speaker 1: is such a great race this year because what he's
Speaker 1: doing is just no one could stop him. He's unstoppable.
Speaker 1: I totally agree, and and the reason he's in the
Speaker 1: m v P races because I think he does more
Speaker 1: than other quarterbacks, like as far as carrying the team.
Speaker 1: The identity runs through him. Uh, nobody is like him.
Speaker 1: He's just that special kind of guy. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna judge Lamar Jackson's passing against the team
Speaker 1: like the Cincinnati Bengals, I just don't think it means anything.
Speaker 1: That's sorry, real quickly, there is one pass in this
Speaker 1: game where he throws a side arm Mahomes like throw.
Speaker 1: He is developing as a passer absolutely, and I think
Speaker 1: having Hollywood Brown healthy is huge. I don't think Jackson's
Speaker 1: close to being where Russell Wilson is in the m
Speaker 1: v P in terms of being consistent every week dominating,
Speaker 1: but he's getting there if he keeps this up. In
Speaker 1: the difference between him and VIC and We we said
Speaker 1: on this show, we I thought he was the best
Speaker 1: running quarterback to enter the league. Since VIC, I think
Speaker 1: he's one of the best runners in the NFL. That's
Speaker 1: pretty obvious, even including the running back differences. VIC had
Speaker 1: Greg Knapp and Dan Reeves trying to run offense for
Speaker 1: for him. Well, they never built it around him, and
Speaker 1: they've built this around Lamar Jackson, and he is bowling
Speaker 1: is a joy. Points by the way, in three quarters
Speaker 1: shut it down. They brought in r G three. They
Speaker 1: could have put up a sixty burger if they wanted to. Yep,
Speaker 1: and they had. They they're more their trade for Marcus
Speaker 1: Peters is working very very well. He had a pick
Speaker 1: six today that essentially set the game on fire. Early.
Speaker 1: Good teams stay good. Bad teams stay bad. When you
Speaker 1: see what's happening with Marcus Peters and the Ravens and
Speaker 1: their selection and development of their quarterback, and with the
Speaker 1: Steelers have done with makea Fitzpatrick, which will get to
Speaker 1: you later when people doubted them at first. Good organizations
Speaker 1: usually make good decisions in it, and you see it
Speaker 1: bear out. When I left the Bengals in the nine nineties,
Speaker 1: it was for reasons like a stubbornness, a stubbornness to
Speaker 1: haul your franchise into modern times and accept the reality
Speaker 1: that this is how the NFL works, And their behavior
Speaker 1: at the tread trade deadline reminded me of that, Just
Speaker 1: a staunch refusal to admit that you need to unload
Speaker 1: guys like Carlos Dunlap and A. J. Green and Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton and get what you can for them because the
Speaker 1: rest of your roster is not gonna be ready to
Speaker 1: win anytime soon. All right, let's move on. In fact,
Speaker 1: now it's time for the Road to Victory, presented by
Speaker 1: the United States Marine Corp. Factors he throws with all
Speaker 1: drawn the field. Mctor Hazard fritz Patrick for this trip
Speaker 1: cost Year of the Year tip tip tip by Joe Hayden,
Speaker 1: Bill Hill, Grove tounch Ilkin of the Steelers Radio Network.
Speaker 1: This Steelers d is ferocious. Mike Tomlins d for spoard turnovers,
Speaker 1: including MIKEE. Fitzpatrick's game icing interception late in the fourth
Speaker 1: lifting Pittsburgh to a seventeen twelve win over the Rams
Speaker 1: in Hines Field. Total team effort here on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball, huge games t J. Watt, Joe Hayden,
Speaker 1: but West let the takes touting. Mica Fitzpatrick is the
Speaker 1: defensive player of the Year begin because he has been
Speaker 1: a monster for them. This was a total team effort
Speaker 1: on the decent defensive side of the ball. T J.
Speaker 1: Watt and Bud Dupree bringing heat off the edge like
Speaker 1: they have all year. Cameron Haywards shoving people into the passers,
Speaker 1: taking double teams to allow those linebackers to make plays.
Speaker 1: And then Joe Hayden and Micka Fitzpatrick in the secondary.
Speaker 1: Hayden had five passes defense, at least three diving and
Speaker 1: it was a joy to watch a player selling out
Speaker 1: to that degree on every play make offense Patrick, you
Speaker 1: see his instincts, and it's not often that you can
Speaker 1: see a player's instincts on the field. You watch the film,
Speaker 1: you know their tendencies, and then as the play starts,
Speaker 1: you see that player starting to drift where it should
Speaker 1: be and you eliminate more and more options. With every
Speaker 1: split section second that comes, he eliminates those options and
Speaker 1: is where he's supposed to be. As much as any
Speaker 1: safety in the game, He's just always where the ball
Speaker 1: is gonna be. And you see it. And in a
Speaker 1: year without a defensive Player of the Year, when you're
Speaker 1: getting a takeaway every week, I think you have to
Speaker 1: be in the conversation sociuld t J. Watt, who had
Speaker 1: a big, you know, force fumble late in this game.
Speaker 1: It's funny. Every year of the tom An era, I
Speaker 1: think it's the year that the defense is finally gonna
Speaker 1: kind of step up and play to the level of
Speaker 1: their talent and help them, you know, get to a
Speaker 1: super Bowl. They were my super Bowl pick going into
Speaker 1: this season, which you know, if they if they had
Speaker 1: more of an offense. Who knows the fact that they've
Speaker 1: turned this the ball over this many times on one level,
Speaker 1: you can't expect it to continue forever, but it could
Speaker 1: the whole season. It's a little like the Bears a
Speaker 1: year ago, but they have so many playmakers. Here's how
Speaker 1: many times they've turned the ball over since week three
Speaker 1: five two, three, three, four, three and today was another four.
Speaker 1: That's how many they forced every week. That is outraged
Speaker 1: and waited d v o A, which factors in recent
Speaker 1: play more than September play. They are right behind Patriots
Speaker 1: and forty nine in defense. And speaking of awards of
Speaker 1: awards crazy right now, but Mike Tomlin deserves to be
Speaker 1: in this conversation now for Coach of the Year because
Speaker 1: this is an O and three team left for dead.
Speaker 1: They've now won five of six and West on Thursday,
Speaker 1: you said that you were going to to look at
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph a little bit differently, not at least give
Speaker 1: him a chance to develop. And while he is, and
Speaker 1: you look at the stat line and and they obviously
Speaker 1: didn't light it up with seventeen points, but maybe it's
Speaker 1: okay where he is right now in the sense that
Speaker 1: he's protected the ball today, he made enough plays and
Speaker 1: then let the defense win the game that could work. Well,
Speaker 1: let's change that seven team points to eight points because
Speaker 1: he gave two back on a safety and the defense
Speaker 1: scored seven. So the offense really wasn't good in the
Speaker 1: Today was a day where the rest of the offense
Speaker 1: was as bad as the quarterback. The receiver's dropped too
Speaker 1: many passes, the running backs don't make anyone miss um
Speaker 1: because James Conner is injured, of course, and Benny Snelly,
Speaker 1: even the number two is injured. Rudolph also is like
Speaker 1: one play away from disaster all the time, which is
Speaker 1: why you see some of the play calling they do. Um,
Speaker 1: he's gonna cost him that they can't continue to get
Speaker 1: this lucky, the best, the best um stick in his bag.
Speaker 1: His number one play is back pedal away from pressure.
Speaker 1: Throw as you're getting hit and pray that somehow it's
Speaker 1: a defensive passl interference or your receiver catches. You're looking
Speaker 1: for some Rudolf love. You didn't well, I've always said,
Speaker 1: because I thought you said you were gonna try to
Speaker 1: see the good at him, but you still don't see anything. Apparently,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is he wasn't so bad that he
Speaker 1: had his defense over a Barrel, like the whole offense did,
Speaker 1: not just a quarterback. This I think was the most
Speaker 1: discouraging game of the season for the Rams. I obviously
Speaker 1: want to watch it closer. But if you're a fan
Speaker 1: of the Rams and you're hoping that the bye week
Speaker 1: could somehow help them figure out some things offensively, to
Speaker 1: come back out and go one for fourteen on third down,
Speaker 1: to get the ball so many times in this game
Speaker 1: and Goff to throw two interceptions four turnovers total and
Speaker 1: you score twelve points. Now you're looking at a Rams
Speaker 1: team with the schedule that they have, and yeah, they've
Speaker 1: got a pretty uphill climb to make the playoffs. I
Speaker 1: struggled to believe in their fate this season, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, you can't ask teams just to continue to
Speaker 1: be the same thing. They've got a totally different situation
Speaker 1: with Gurley and it running back, and I know he
Speaker 1: wasn't a disaster today, but Jared Goff two picks, no touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and you watched it. They ran into a buzz on defense.
Speaker 1: But the Rams of of old would have found a
Speaker 1: way to put up points and get around Pittsburgh today.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. I mean they're one and
Speaker 1: done in the playoffs. That they even get there, it's
Speaker 1: it's incredib Well, Cooper Cup was shut out in this
Speaker 1: game on four targets. We know Brandon Cooks is out
Speaker 1: with a concussion. Like you said, we know what's going
Speaker 1: on with the running backs. Uh, and also don't sleep
Speaker 1: on again. Their offensive line is just not doing the
Speaker 1: job anymore and got an injury during the game. They
Speaker 1: lost their center during the game. So it just keeps
Speaker 1: on getting worse for them on offense. And you just
Speaker 1: wonder if this is something that doesn't get fixed until
Speaker 1: the off season. They got fifth. They had fifteen drives today.
Speaker 1: That's an outrageous number, which also shows how poor the
Speaker 1: Steelers offense was. They basically got ten points fifteen drives
Speaker 1: and almost none of them. You know, did they get
Speaker 1: more multiple first downs? I mean, credit the Steelers defense
Speaker 1: for sure, It's not like they'd get stopped that badly
Speaker 1: unless they were playing a great defense. But that's outrageous that.
Speaker 1: You know, Sam Farmer had a great line on Twitter.
Speaker 1: You know, the Steelers brought back one of their old
Speaker 1: Super Bowl teams and the Rams brought out their Super
Speaker 1: Bowl offense today, Like the fifteen drives and a couple
Speaker 1: of points to to put a point on how the
Speaker 1: Steelers offense has played this year. They rank between the
Speaker 1: Bengals and the Bears and dry success rate this year.
Speaker 1: That's where they're at. The Mitch Robiskie Bears and the
Speaker 1: windless Bengals is where their offense is. And there was
Speaker 1: a two play sequence late in the game Mason Rudolph
Speaker 1: made probably his best throw of the day, tight window
Speaker 1: throw in the red zone to Juju, look like they're
Speaker 1: gonna set up a field goal. The next play, he
Speaker 1: keeps backpedaling and backpedaling and tries to hold himself from throwing.
Speaker 1: At the last minute, is squeezes out of his hand.
Speaker 1: He's lucky it's rolled in incomplete pass. Could have been
Speaker 1: a fumble um and it might have lost the game
Speaker 1: for him. So it's just you never know what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get from down. I'll just say and I do not.
Speaker 1: I am not gonna be on Mason Rudolph corner. But
Speaker 1: on that same possession you're referring to, I believe he
Speaker 1: won six of seven. He took them into field goal range.
Speaker 1: They cook the field goal, which is a big deal
Speaker 1: because it made it a six point game or a
Speaker 1: five point game. Uh So he is obviously not the
Speaker 1: answer or the solution for them, but he's not throwing
Speaker 1: the game away. He's got them in a sixth seed
Speaker 1: right now. Now he doesn't know, but they are in
Speaker 1: the sixth seed. Is is what I should say. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up. Dan. To be fair to him,
Speaker 1: it was his best, maybe his best excessive drive of
Speaker 1: the day. As far as passing, he was passed as
Speaker 1: he was hitting. But my point is he came within
Speaker 1: a split second throwing the game away. So like he's
Speaker 1: lucky he didn't throw the work. He's like a solid
Speaker 1: C minus bordering towards C. Are we do we need
Speaker 1: him to be something? That's what you're giving him for
Speaker 1: the year, Mason Rudolph C minus No. I think that's
Speaker 1: that is way too I don't know. I mean, we
Speaker 1: look back the Thursday tape of West opening his mind
Speaker 1: to Mason Rudolf. His mind is closed. No, he can improve,
Speaker 1: he has that ability. I would not point to today's
Speaker 1: game as some like three yards of offense West, So
Speaker 1: you're right, they're they're not doing it on offense. They're
Speaker 1: doing it on d um and we'll talk about the
Speaker 1: more as the week goes on. That was the road
Speaker 1: to victory presented by the United States Marine four. Let's
Speaker 1: move on. Here's the snap kid to McCaffrey. He's he
Speaker 1: drives forward and is he in? That's the question. The
Speaker 1: officials are marquing No, they are saying no, he's not
Speaker 1: in time? Is well town the Packers? A nice call
Speaker 1: there by Wayne Larav turn this up in my headphones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just always think of the Natives taking the girl
Speaker 1: and tiring up for calm as a sacrifice. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: say what I said last week. It just reminds me
Speaker 1: of like low budget cop dramas. That ray that's going
Speaker 1: back to the It's highly evocative. Why are we not
Speaker 1: I only hear this for a minute each week? Why
Speaker 1: am I not playing this on loop in my house?
Speaker 1: Forget highly evocative, it's highly erotic. Okay, alright, Greg takes
Speaker 1: it to a different direction. All right, let's get into
Speaker 1: a Christian McCaffrey stuffed at the goal line, a crushing
Speaker 1: into a marathon Panthers march that produced nothing in the
Speaker 1: Packers four to sixteen win at snowy Lambeau Field. What
Speaker 1: a vibe at Lambeau What a mood? As the kids say, Uh,
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen, let turn this up in my saxophone. Now,
Speaker 1: Greg's right, alright, anyway you can turn this down for now,
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen lead the Panthers. Listen to this guy's eighteen
Speaker 1: plays eighty eight yards on that final drive, but McCaffrey
Speaker 1: stopped in his tracks. A replay review confirms that he
Speaker 1: did not make it to the goal line. So in
Speaker 1: a game in which the Panthers out gained the Packers
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers was held without a touchdown pass, green
Speaker 1: Bay still found a way good teams often do. I
Speaker 1: was impressed by the secondary figures of the Packers offense,
Speaker 1: even though the numbers don't show it, Like Alan Lazard
Speaker 1: made a great play, Jake Kumro made a great play.
Speaker 1: I thought it was very telling that Rogers told Joe
Speaker 1: Buck and Troy Aikman, those guys are gonna be playing
Speaker 1: more down the stretch. And to me, that is at
Speaker 1: the going to be at the expense of val This
Speaker 1: Scantling and Geronimo Allison, because it has to be at
Speaker 1: the expense of someone. And it was also echoed by
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur. They're on the same page. It wasn't an
Speaker 1: amazing performance by you know, the Packers offense, but they
Speaker 1: got the job done and they did run the ball
Speaker 1: really well when they needed to in the second half,
Speaker 1: which is big when it's snowy and you've got to
Speaker 1: lead and you want to finish that game. App I
Speaker 1: thought that they ate up they ate up Carolina on
Speaker 1: the ground in that second half. To say they were
Speaker 1: powerful the way they ran the ball. I wanted Carolina
Speaker 1: on that final immense drive that you mentioned, Dan to
Speaker 1: target Christian McCaffrey Moore, And I know that it's not
Speaker 1: the easiest thing because Kyle Allen was under duress and
Speaker 1: green Bay's green Bay. You know they've been quiet on defense.
Speaker 1: They made it real tough on Kyle Allen, but they
Speaker 1: were just there were too many lobs into the end
Speaker 1: zone and flings downfield, where getting Christian McCaffrey open in
Speaker 1: space at some point on that drive I think would
Speaker 1: have been effective. Came so close, so close, they got
Speaker 1: to the one, and McCaffrey does what McCaffrey's does, which
Speaker 1: he goes off for about a hundred and forty total
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown. And I thought with Kyle Allen,
Speaker 1: that was an interesting performance, and it was a it
Speaker 1: was a Joe and and Troy game for Fox and Aikman.
Speaker 1: At one point Greg said, and I think we both
Speaker 1: kind of chalked out chuckle down because it was kind
Speaker 1: of a strange thing to say, but it also made
Speaker 1: sense that about midway through the fourth quarters, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: other than those two turnovers, Kyle Allen's played a really
Speaker 1: good game. Well you can't really kind of take out
Speaker 1: the turnovers and say he's had a good game, but
Speaker 1: he really kind of did. He threw a bad interception
Speaker 1: in the red zone that really killed him, as as
Speaker 1: you could tell by the final score. He lost the fumble,
Speaker 1: But otherwise he did a nice job in tough conditions
Speaker 1: against the good team, especially when he last we mentioned
Speaker 1: he wasn't getting protected. Well, I don't I don't quite
Speaker 1: get the Allen. I don't knowough hates the right word.
Speaker 1: But criticism and lack of belief that I hear, you know,
Speaker 1: especially even from Panthers fan Josh Norris. So I like
Speaker 1: a lot of Road World like they think it's first
Speaker 1: read or nothing for him and I see a lot
Speaker 1: of good throws for a guy who's only started six
Speaker 1: or seven games. He's kept the offense very functional, even
Speaker 1: in a game where they were down two scores. We
Speaker 1: thought this game was over, and he gets them to
Speaker 1: within a yard of going for the two and trying
Speaker 1: to get into overtime. And it comes on a day
Speaker 1: when Ian Rappaport noted this morning that it is highly
Speaker 1: unlikely that the Panthers will keep Cam Newton and noted
Speaker 1: the trade a trade is a most likely route to
Speaker 1: eject or seat him out of the building. I'd say
Speaker 1: fascinating offseason subplot. I mean, the newsroom is going to
Speaker 1: go off when Cam Newton is traded. Here See, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. I guess. I don't who is trading him,
Speaker 1: because it was trading for him. Who is trading him
Speaker 1: that works for the Panthers. Maybe it's the owner and
Speaker 1: I and I'm not gonna you know guest sources. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing. We don't know who the GM or
Speaker 1: the coach is going to be next year. So unless
Speaker 1: ownership has decided, which is very possible. I mean, these
Speaker 1: things happen, but unless ownerships decided that they don't want Cam,
Speaker 1: How can we know unless well, or it's the more
Speaker 1: it's the current people in power and that could change there.
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe the expectation is, since they're playing so
Speaker 1: well under Rivera and and Marty Herney has done a
Speaker 1: pretty good job in his second time around, that this
Speaker 1: group will be the team next year. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it would be the owner, right, because yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: that this is not the man who drafted Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: There's not those type of deep ties. I think temper
Speaker 1: this guy your own making court. The owner, he's the boss.
Speaker 1: And if he's a guy that wants to put his
Speaker 1: stamp on the team and he's ready to make a change,
Speaker 1: and he feels like he won't be killed for it
Speaker 1: because owners they go with a wind on that as well.
Speaker 1: I could see him doing it. But let's slow down,
Speaker 1: inspiring Ron Rivera. Right, Maybe that's the thing is that
Speaker 1: they fully anticipate this will be the same group. Are
Speaker 1: you going to say was considering the market in which
Speaker 1: he plays and his status as a superstar and a
Speaker 1: marquee attraction, a trade like that the owner, it would
Speaker 1: start with the owner. Yep. Well, they have to get
Speaker 1: approval on it. I mean you ideally don't want then
Speaker 1: making decisions. We're ahead of the game here. He would
Speaker 1: be eminently tradeable and I get it. Uh, I don't
Speaker 1: know if they have. It's a great storyline in the
Speaker 1: off season. We need these storylines. We we crave them.
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, by the way, is on pace for what
Speaker 1: the sneakiest twenty touchdown season we've ever seen. He's so
Speaker 1: explosive that that's what I took away watching this game.
Speaker 1: Even when they're not firing on all cylinders, you get
Speaker 1: a forty eight yard you know, play to Jimmy Graham,
Speaker 1: which was great coaching you you you out there. No,
Speaker 1: I just it was a good It was a good
Speaker 1: play called good execution. You get the thirty eight yard
Speaker 1: played a Davante Adams when they were backed up against
Speaker 1: their boal line and they're in the end zone three
Speaker 1: plays later. Aaron Jones is obviously very exploded of this offense.
Speaker 1: Even when they're not always getting first downs, they feel
Speaker 1: like they're always an explosive play away like a great
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers throw. It happens three or four times a game.
Speaker 1: When they talked about the fact that Aaron Jones had
Speaker 1: a pot belly at some stage last year, and there
Speaker 1: were questions about Aaron Rodgers to used him. And I
Speaker 1: mean the running back position is the one where if
Speaker 1: you go and spend four months changing your body, your
Speaker 1: year is going to be completely different. And that's hounds looked.
Speaker 1: And I will say one thing, we all love these
Speaker 1: snow games. That Packers crowd was one of the best
Speaker 1: crowds all year, and they kept they kept noting how
Speaker 1: loud they were, how immense, how braucous they made it,
Speaker 1: and how tough they made it on the Panthers. That
Speaker 1: was one of the more impressive touchdown drives we'll see
Speaker 1: all year. They were backed up second and twenty one
Speaker 1: with Rogers taking the snap and backing into the end
Speaker 1: zone and the legitimately less than like five minutes of
Speaker 1: real time they were in the opposite end zone. And
Speaker 1: the other point I want to make is Aaron Jones,
Speaker 1: as um West eludes too, he's on a tremendous touchdown pace.
Speaker 1: He had three today, which I can guarantee you means
Speaker 1: he ain't touching, he ain't going near the goal line.
Speaker 1: Because Aaron's gonna get his TV next week and the
Speaker 1: week after that. Up cooked up narrative. Fantasy owners, beware
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones. He ain't getting the ball near the goal line,
Speaker 1: play action for the win any other points? Why go
Speaker 1: l anywhere else? All right, then let's uh move to
Speaker 1: the NFC South or the We got one of the
Speaker 1: biggest upsets of the season. In fact, I think the
Speaker 1: Desert said this was the biggest upset of the season.
Speaker 1: Riding back up in the pocket, Crows back side Hill,
Speaker 1: open diving and storing in the pylon, and the Atlanta
Speaker 1: touchdown for playing Hill the last guy in the package.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard much from West Durham this year over
Speaker 1: at the Falcon's radio network because Atlanta stinks, but not
Speaker 1: On Sunday, Matt Ryan throws two touchdown passes and that
Speaker 1: Falcons six game losing streak gets over win over the
Speaker 1: Saints at the Superdome that ended the Saints is six
Speaker 1: game winning streak. This is a bitter rivalry, and you
Speaker 1: just assumed that a Saints team that has you know,
Speaker 1: Super Bowl written all over it potentially would just stop
Speaker 1: on a downtrodden Falcons team. It just didn't work out
Speaker 1: that way. West. It was the Falcons defense too, that
Speaker 1: whipped up on a team Saints team that had Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara had drew brees. That didn't matter. How it was
Speaker 1: interesting to see a big rivalry game like this, both
Speaker 1: teams coming out of their bye week, and you would
Speaker 1: have thought that the Falcons were the seven and one
Speaker 1: team in the Saints were the one in seven team
Speaker 1: for the first time all year. The Falcons. He had
Speaker 1: a ball control keep away offense. I don't know where
Speaker 1: they got it. I don't know where it came from.
Speaker 1: I don't know where they got a DeVonta Freeman wasn't
Speaker 1: really making people miss, but he was moving the chains
Speaker 1: until he got injured. And then they went to Brian
Speaker 1: Hill who moved the chains. Matt Ryan, playing on a
Speaker 1: gimpy angle ankle a couple of times, moved the chains
Speaker 1: on third down. Uh Marshawn Lattimore had a thigh injury.
Speaker 1: Julio Jones didn't have a catch before that injury. He
Speaker 1: went out, he went out, and then Julio kind of
Speaker 1: went off for a while. Some for some big catches,
Speaker 1: but this was a checklist of things that had to
Speaker 1: happen for the Saints to lose. And roughing the punter penalty,
Speaker 1: four illegal hands to the face penalties, which I've never
Speaker 1: seen before. In one game four they were all legit.
Speaker 1: Drew brees Is accuracy was off on easy throws. You
Speaker 1: don't see that often. Alvin Camara a non factor behind
Speaker 1: Latavious Murray um a much bigger advantage for Falcons on
Speaker 1: third and fourth downs. Uh. They signed young Wake Coup
Speaker 1: given Michael Vick's uniform number, and he drills four field goals.
Speaker 1: Of course, here's the biggest story of the game though
Speaker 1: to me. The Falcons entered this game with seven in
Speaker 1: sacks on the season from their defense. The Saints had
Speaker 1: given up twelve sacks on the season, and the Falcons
Speaker 1: got Brees for six sacks, which tied his career high
Speaker 1: for most sex taken in a game. And Gregg pointed
Speaker 1: out with our Sky Sports hit that Jeff Olbrick is
Speaker 1: calling the plays now. I didn't put much stock into
Speaker 1: it because every third game Dan Quinn gives up play calling,
Speaker 1: it seems to me, so I don't even know when
Speaker 1: he's calling Apparently, Yeah, Albrek's done it before a little,
Speaker 1: but now it's Yeah, it worked. What I mean, I
Speaker 1: didn't watch closely enough to see if they were running
Speaker 1: stunts or why the Saints couldn't all of a sudden block.
Speaker 1: But Drew Brees isn't nearly as nimble in the pocket
Speaker 1: as he used to be. He couldn't get out a
Speaker 1: way of some pressure that he used to get out
Speaker 1: of the way of. And the Saints just couldn't get
Speaker 1: anything going, even even late in the fourth quarter when
Speaker 1: you know they were just turning it over on downs
Speaker 1: a couple of times in a row. So it is
Speaker 1: a bad week or did you see some legitimate flaws
Speaker 1: here that there's something other teams can pick up. I've
Speaker 1: been on this since late Thanksgiving of last year that
Speaker 1: the Saints offense is just limited in and how for
Speaker 1: where they can go down the field, how much of
Speaker 1: the field they can use because of Breeze's arm. But
Speaker 1: you also have a situation where if Alvid Camara isn't
Speaker 1: uh and Trey Kwon Smith and Tech ginn are dropping passes,
Speaker 1: who's who else is out there for your offense outside
Speaker 1: of Michael Thomas, which is why he has another great game,
Speaker 1: becomes the quickest in history to four hundred receptions. But
Speaker 1: you know Jared Cook had a few nice catches. There
Speaker 1: were also a few borderline balls he might have caught
Speaker 1: late in the fourth quarter that he didn't um. So
Speaker 1: I think they're still looking for that, like third guy
Speaker 1: to step up. Outside of Camara and Michael Thomas, there
Speaker 1: were light chance for Teddy. That's wild were the idiots
Speaker 1: that are changing because I think it probably you know,
Speaker 1: you know what, I just came up with a theory,
Speaker 1: This is probably totally wrong, and then someone could prove
Speaker 1: it is. Maybe it was the Falcons fans they're doing
Speaker 1: a little mocking at because there were there were there
Speaker 1: was a little section of Falcons fans there. I noticed
Speaker 1: at one point that they got quickly boot booted. And
Speaker 1: it's such a cliche, like you throw the records out
Speaker 1: when these two teams play, and I'm thinking, no, not really,
Speaker 1: Like the Saints have been better to the last couple
Speaker 1: of years and they've beaten the Falcons like a drum,
Speaker 1: especially in New Orleans. But I don't know there's something
Speaker 1: to it. I you're kind of happy for dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: Falcons their team website, you know, not the most unbiased,
Speaker 1: you know, group in the world that they said, they
Speaker 1: said it's one of the great defining wins of the
Speaker 1: Tan that dan Quinn era. And you know, in a
Speaker 1: season where everything is this terrible, it does have to
Speaker 1: feel great for the Falcons to be sending out these
Speaker 1: little trolling tweets and they go and they put one
Speaker 1: on the seven and one. Expectations have been recalibrated. In Atlanta,
Speaker 1: they used to be there trying to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Now they'll they'll settle for this right because it's defining.
Speaker 1: Also because if the score were flip flopped in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: we're going home down to nine. Dan Quinn may not
Speaker 1: be working there a few days from now. I'd be
Speaker 1: a little worried. You're absolutely right, and this should keep it,
Speaker 1: you know, going for the rest of the year. What's
Speaker 1: the point of firing the mid season? Six sacks and
Speaker 1: a team that doesn't throw the ball down the field
Speaker 1: is a troubling combo. He he was only sex seventeen
Speaker 1: times all of last season, and in the game against
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, their offense was great with Drew Brees back,
Speaker 1: but he only threw I think two passes that traveled
Speaker 1: more than ten yards in that game to West his
Speaker 1: point and it was working. At some point they will
Speaker 1: have to open it up a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: want to make this all on the Saints. Grady Jared,
Speaker 1: who was legitimately in the run for an All Pro
Speaker 1: in a year with Aaron Donald and clay As Campbell,
Speaker 1: had another two and a half sacks and has been
Speaker 1: phenomenal all year. Just to point out, and this is
Speaker 1: my favorite example of pointing out the rivalry and the
Speaker 1: the intense dislike between Falcons fans and Saints fans. After
Speaker 1: three happened, uh Super Bowl one. Uh, A couple of
Speaker 1: weeks later was Marty Gras and the people of New
Speaker 1: Orleans created a twenty eight to three float to celebrate
Speaker 1: the loss of the rival, a game that had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the Saints, that that took place far
Speaker 1: are away. Uh, they just they love reveling each other's misfortune.
Speaker 1: Back they they flashed the big thing at the stadium
Speaker 1: today in the fourth quarter when the when the Saints
Speaker 1: were down a couple of touchdowns about twenty three, like
Speaker 1: a video montage or something about it, And uh, you
Speaker 1: know that's not gonna work with the Falcon's got young
Speaker 1: Waiku wearing Michael Vick's number seven. COO put that seven
Speaker 1: on and he said, I'm the baddest seven that's ever
Speaker 1: played for the Falcons. He had three field goals. This
Speaker 1: is the comeback player of the year. West put it
Speaker 1: in your column. I like you. I'm happy you can't
Speaker 1: ice the kicker when he's already got ice in his veins.
Speaker 1: You know, let's shoot over to the fifty three to
Speaker 1: tie waiting. Come to shap It's back, he's into it.
Speaker 1: The kickers on the way. It doesn't look like it
Speaker 1: has enough d No good, shove it che seconds look
Speaker 1: to go. The Ploach sideline explodes, the stadium explodes. Doon
Speaker 1: the color for the Browns have money on the other
Speaker 1: team or something. He's like, oh no, not that I
Speaker 1: know of. Are you breaking more news? Jim Donovan and
Speaker 1: Doug Deacon with a cough of the Browns radio network.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield he threw a seven yard touchdown past the
Speaker 1: Richard Higgins with one to play, and then Bill's kicker,
Speaker 1: Stephen Hashka, as you just heard, went wide left on
Speaker 1: a long field goal attempt in the final seconds. The
Speaker 1: Browns escaped nineteen sixteen, the win at the Dog Pound
Speaker 1: mark that ends as Cleveland's four game losing streak, and
Speaker 1: thanks to that final Mayfield touchdown quiets the talk of
Speaker 1: Cleveland's issues in the red zone. Well, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it quiets that talk, because they were an absolute
Speaker 1: disaster and it would have been louder if it did
Speaker 1: get It would be a lot louder. A win does
Speaker 1: a lot, but they essentially at one point in the game,
Speaker 1: in terms of their red zone issues, it was absolutely maddening.
Speaker 1: They were nine They had nine goal to go plays
Speaker 1: that resulted in zero yards. But getting down into the
Speaker 1: red zone, they looked better than they have in a while.
Speaker 1: I thought Odell Beckham got going. Jarvis Landry, who is
Speaker 1: a physical, tough receiver when he's on, played with a
Speaker 1: absolute fire inside of him. Today, I thought he really,
Speaker 1: he really really wanted this game as much as I've
Speaker 1: seen from anyone on the Browns all year. Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: is an absolute bad man. I mean he the way
Speaker 1: he runs he I I said it before and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to overstate it. There are moments where he
Speaker 1: has Jim Brown a look to him. He just runs
Speaker 1: with that kind of emergency. But they got bottled up
Speaker 1: inside the ten and I thought I woke up thinking
Speaker 1: this thing was gonna be a Brown's win. Because they
Speaker 1: confirmed this morning they changed the end zone stripes from
Speaker 1: these energy stopping horizontal stripes to ones that are vertical,
Speaker 1: and there was I've been on this case since the
Speaker 1: beginning of the year, tweeting about it, annoying people relentlessly.
Speaker 1: You might be the reason they changed it. Well, I
Speaker 1: do think, I do think that there's there is. I
Speaker 1: do have it confirmed that people in side the building
Speaker 1: are very aware and listening as a lot of teams
Speaker 1: are and struggling teams to various things that are out there.
Speaker 1: And I think that they maybe did make a shift
Speaker 1: here based on a lot of people asking agreeing that
Speaker 1: the horizontal stripes just looked weird and shrunk the end zone.
Speaker 1: The vertical stripes are kinetic. They just look right. Don't
Speaker 1: allow they allow a laying into the ends. It's it's
Speaker 1: an energy thing. And I think, you know, the way
Speaker 1: that they opened up the Browns today, I thought, this
Speaker 1: is going to be the game where we're finally going
Speaker 1: to see what we've been waiting to see. And you've played.
Speaker 1: They played a great defense Buffalo and Buffalo and and
Speaker 1: they got bottled up. And I don't think it quiet's
Speaker 1: really any concerns about what Cleveland overall, the way that
Speaker 1: they approached game after game. Uh one uptick to have
Speaker 1: cream Hunt in there. I was thinking, there's a world
Speaker 1: where Cream Hunt has five touches for negative eight yards
Speaker 1: and it's a complete mess. He made a big difference,
Speaker 1: and they decided not to start Antonio Callaway today. Part
Speaker 1: of that is because for Shard Higgins, who had the
Speaker 1: game winning touchdown, was active and someone that they wanted
Speaker 1: to get involved. I also think it's because of the
Speaker 1: way that Kareem Hunt was used out at wide receiver
Speaker 1: multiple times, a factor in the passing game, someone that's
Speaker 1: tough to cover if you're not going to put a
Speaker 1: cornerback on him. And he made a difference. He had
Speaker 1: a couple of big blocks and some tough runs too.
Speaker 1: He looked well, he looked ready to play. You know
Speaker 1: that they absolutely did. He's the one whole thing, one
Speaker 1: extra they have. They have Pittsburgh on Thursday. Here's where
Speaker 1: they're at every week. Is you lose, you're out. You're
Speaker 1: basically you're done. You're cooked three right, So you're cooked
Speaker 1: if you lose. So they went and they saved the
Speaker 1: day today their season against Buffalo and West and I
Speaker 1: got our locks, as you knew we would. We were
Speaker 1: not sure about point about the vertical stripes in the
Speaker 1: end zone. Why do you think I chose number eleven
Speaker 1: in basketball and fifth grade makes you look taller? There
Speaker 1: you go? Uh, there you go? So yes, not a
Speaker 1: not a high powered offensive showing on either side in
Speaker 1: terms of yardage or anything. But the Bills um sixteen
Speaker 1: points again, markt at looks like the same old issues
Speaker 1: on their end that their defense does a nice job,
Speaker 1: and they got the goal line stands, and they they
Speaker 1: almost won the game outright at the end on a
Speaker 1: near a turnover on a underhanded flip to Kareem Hunt
Speaker 1: that went sideways and that got brought back, which then
Speaker 1: led to the go ahead Brown's touch on. So they
Speaker 1: were close. But did you see the same issues that
Speaker 1: have kind of led people to be not so bullish
Speaker 1: on the Bills in general. Yes, yes, because I like
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary a lot, but he's kind of gonna give
Speaker 1: you what he gave you today, which is forty two
Speaker 1: yards on the ground attempts. Right, They never really got
Speaker 1: into their flow either. It was it was low scoring
Speaker 1: for a reason and looked that way, and you know
Speaker 1: John Brown every week he does something every week. He
Speaker 1: produces every week Cold Beasley produces. But you don't have
Speaker 1: a superstar weapon here. They can take over the game.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen a couple scampers, very scary and like he's
Speaker 1: he's going to do the same thing too. He is
Speaker 1: going to kill you if you don't put someone on
Speaker 1: him in coverage. And he has got an incredibly strong arm.
Speaker 1: But the accuracy is there too, to the point where
Speaker 1: I mean, I like Josh Allen in terms of his athleticism,
Speaker 1: but they have a lot to think about in the
Speaker 1: off season because it would be tough for them to
Speaker 1: shift gears. But I don't know what the ceiling is
Speaker 1: for Josh Allen. When we're this many games in and
Speaker 1: the same issues exist. Well, they're putting it on him
Speaker 1: almost like they want to see what his ceiling is.
Speaker 1: They are extremely pass heavy, and they have been throughout
Speaker 1: the year. You would not think that the Bills, who
Speaker 1: have had a lot of leads are been in a
Speaker 1: lot of close games, would be a team that's really
Speaker 1: relying on Josh Allen's arm. But I think a lot
Speaker 1: of teams did what the Browns did today. They try
Speaker 1: to stop the run. They're worried about Josh Allen running
Speaker 1: and they dare Allan to beat him. And you have
Speaker 1: a lot of games like this week where Allan through
Speaker 1: passes and for the most part that's you know, amounted
Speaker 1: to mediocre off of them. That that tells me that
Speaker 1: at this stage anyway, they still believe in him completely.
Speaker 1: In fact, they're waiting for him to make the leap.
Speaker 1: This isn't as him was trying to hide their quarterbook.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's when you're getting to the point
Speaker 1: where the organization might be ready to look in a
Speaker 1: different direction. I don't think they're there yet, but they're
Speaker 1: still It's like when you're bringing Blake Bordles on third day.
Speaker 1: They have seven games to play if he if he
Speaker 1: regresses over the rest of the season, perhaps right now,
Speaker 1: I still think they think he's not yet. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not there yet. I would say that you cannot
Speaker 1: they They are doomed if if they are gonna have
Speaker 1: kicker issues down the stretch, they're gonna have to win
Speaker 1: games by one to three points. And Steven how she
Speaker 1: missed a thirty four yarder along with that game winner. Well,
Speaker 1: the Bills are six and three, and I think the
Speaker 1: Browns at three and six should have some playoff you know,
Speaker 1: just dreams. They gotta win Thursday night, partly because right
Speaker 1: now the Steelers are in that six spot and if
Speaker 1: the Bills are capable of collapsing entirely, you know, this
Speaker 1: is you know, one of those years you certainly could
Speaker 1: see a nine win team make the playoffs. There Who knows,
Speaker 1: the Raiders win on Thursday, and the Titans win, and
Speaker 1: the Browns beating the Bills, the Colts keep losing. It's
Speaker 1: fun to the a f C wildcard picture is wide open,
Speaker 1: but I think we're all in agreement that the Browns
Speaker 1: want to be taken seriously. They gotta win at home Thursdays, absolutely,
Speaker 1: or it's over. We shall see. Let's move up pork
Speaker 1: and seven. Trisco stepping up. Trisco steps out of a tackle,
Speaker 1: running left, fires into the end zone, passes incomplete, time expires,
Speaker 1: but there is a flag pass hole. They snapped their
Speaker 1: four game losing street clearly. Jeff, Johnny Back and Tom
Speaker 1: There weren't watching the telecast because Jeff driscoll marched about
Speaker 1: three and a half to four yards beyond the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage before throwing that final incompletion is very clear
Speaker 1: what that flag was gonna be. Anyway, Club dub is
Speaker 1: back in business. Mr Robinsky tie to season high three
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, all three of those scores coming in a
Speaker 1: span of five passes UH late in the second quarter.
Speaker 1: In early in the third quarter, the Bears with with
Speaker 1: standy Lake charge by the Lions. They win twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: The Bears do UH four game losing streak is over
Speaker 1: for Chicago. Mattnege can sleep better knowing as offense showed
Speaker 1: a bit of a spark in this one, at least
Speaker 1: in that period that I'm referring to three possessions UH
Speaker 1: three touchdowns Before that, the four previous possessions were just
Speaker 1: as bad as it was last week when they had
Speaker 1: what wasn't seven yards in the first half of that loss.
Speaker 1: This this time it was twenty one yards in the
Speaker 1: first four possessions UH, and Soldier field again restless and
Speaker 1: believing that it was time to get Chase Daniel on
Speaker 1: the field. Think about that in terms of darkness, UH.
Speaker 1: And then the game shifted on that last possession of
Speaker 1: the first half, a a d R drive UH. Ten
Speaker 1: plays and it ends with a really nice Travisky touchdown
Speaker 1: pass to the tight end. Uh, So that got them
Speaker 1: going and they were able to sustain that in the
Speaker 1: third quarter, they kind of disappear again down the stretch
Speaker 1: and the Lions UH with Jeff Driscoll starting in place
Speaker 1: of Matt Stafford, who we learned this morning was scratched
Speaker 1: with reportedly fractures in his back and injury that's been
Speaker 1: lingering for a while for him, and we'll see if
Speaker 1: that's something that's gonna keep him out multiple weeks. But
Speaker 1: driscoll uh didn't do much. He made a really nice
Speaker 1: touchdown pass, a forty seven yard touchdown pass in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter to Kenny Golladay that got him back in
Speaker 1: the game. And then after a three and out by
Speaker 1: the Bears, the Lions had a chance and they were
Speaker 1: marching down the field. They just ran out of time,
Speaker 1: as you heard on that highlight. So the Bears. I
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to see the Bears defense just step
Speaker 1: up and just make that game a laugher, and the
Speaker 1: opposite happened. The Lions had a chance to force overtime.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't the great Chicago defensive effort you were
Speaker 1: expecting certain against Jeff Driscoll of course as well, you're
Speaker 1: expecting the Bears to clean up. But I I locked
Speaker 1: up the Bears, uh. And it's five right for the
Speaker 1: old Zeuser after five losses to start the season. Because
Speaker 1: I don't think this is gonna be a nightmare season
Speaker 1: for them. I just think they kind of are what
Speaker 1: they are, which might be about seven wins, and they
Speaker 1: got one of them today. This is the worst possible
Speaker 1: win you can have. It's a pathetic offensive performance. No
Speaker 1: bad wins. Greg twenty six yards against one of the
Speaker 1: worst defenses in the league. And then you think maybe
Speaker 1: you turn the corner and you go three and out
Speaker 1: and four your last five positions, and you're playing Jeff
Speaker 1: Driscoll and you're playing an offensive line that lost two
Speaker 1: of its starters. There's an article on m live dot
Speaker 1: com that is just a list of the sixteen different
Speaker 1: Lions that were hurt uh in this game. So there's
Speaker 1: no to me, this is not yeah, you move on
Speaker 1: and maybe you get better a week from now. But
Speaker 1: this they didn't show up. And if you have to believe,
Speaker 1: if Matthew Stafford is on the field and you're not
Speaker 1: running Paul Perkins and mckissic as your two running backs.
Speaker 1: At the end of the game, the Lions are a
Speaker 1: better team, right, That's what I'm saying there. There's nothing
Speaker 1: about this game that's screw teams. Oh they fix their
Speaker 1: problems or they're ready to make a rise um And
Speaker 1: if you want to the optimistic viewpoint is they kind
Speaker 1: of They got a little bit better last week in
Speaker 1: the second half of two touchdown drives. They did have
Speaker 1: three touchdown Uh well they had one was a short field,
Speaker 1: I believe, but they had one was twenty yards. They
Speaker 1: had three scores. Uh that I know it doesn't sound great,
Speaker 1: but to understand how bad this offense has been for
Speaker 1: large swaths of the season, there is a tiny bit
Speaker 1: of progress. If you want to see that because you're
Speaker 1: playing defense in the league, who's but But if you're
Speaker 1: just people staring at box scores made it looks a
Speaker 1: lot better for Mitchell Robinski than the reverse, which would
Speaker 1: be three picks. And I I if I'm a Lions fan,
Speaker 1: you had a quarterback in Matthew Stafford this year that's
Speaker 1: played as well as he's ever played in his career,
Speaker 1: and he's been a fascinating guy. Who get much more
Speaker 1: attention if he weren't stuck in Detroit in the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere in terms of football coverage, and well it is,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not. It's not one of the it's
Speaker 1: not on the coast, the geographical hit piece for a second.
Speaker 1: There's people would have been mad, but they're so banged up.
Speaker 1: But like you think of Tony Romo, right, who had
Speaker 1: a back injury at various times. You think of of
Speaker 1: Derek Carr when he did. It's just I, I don't
Speaker 1: know what what we have in Matthew Steff will fire
Speaker 1: it out if it's serious at all. I mean, season over.
Speaker 1: This Bears offense isn't gonna be fixed until Rabinsky's a
Speaker 1: running threat again. Last year he was fifth in rushing
Speaker 1: yards amongst quarterbacks. This year he's twenty two and until
Speaker 1: Tariko and is a big play threat again, which he
Speaker 1: hasn't been all year. All right, let's move on. Here's
Speaker 1: the foul. Maybe the final player of the game, dropping
Speaker 1: back Murray under pressure, Murray, Murray throws them all up
Speaker 1: for grabs down field. It is knocked away. No time left.
Speaker 1: Bock swim box, swim bowin Jeez Decker off Fox Radio Network.
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's desperation heave was a prayer unanswered and to
Speaker 1: pass interference uncalled in my opinion, But that's beside the point.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals washed away by the ice water in the
Speaker 1: veins of Jamis Winston. Sunday at the large Pirate Ship,
Speaker 1: Winston lad the Bucks on a six play, nine two
Speaker 1: yard drive in the closing minutes, the decisive score in
Speaker 1: a thirty seven win. Greg ice Water, No, I mean
Speaker 1: he's good in the two minute drill. I'll give the
Speaker 1: Bucks that. I think they're one of the better two
Speaker 1: minute drill teams this week after week. They did it
Speaker 1: before half time. They did it at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. Maybe that's when Jamis Winston's not thinking and
Speaker 1: they're just playing. They should try to do that the
Speaker 1: whole game because the rest of it he seemed very
Speaker 1: much in his own head. Had a couple of interceptions,
Speaker 1: could have had a couple more, some bad decisions, But
Speaker 1: the Bucks are who they are. They're so consistent, they're
Speaker 1: so bad in the secondary, they're amazing stopping opposing running backs.
Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake and and David Johnson had I think twenty
Speaker 1: six touches in this game for fifty one yards twenty
Speaker 1: two touches for fifty one yards in David Johnson fumbled
Speaker 1: the ball on a key catch late in the game
Speaker 1: that really helped Tampa put It was our first fumble
Speaker 1: all year, right, and it's first since nineteen. Team went
Speaker 1: nine games without a pun and and Kyler Murray had
Speaker 1: his first interception in a long time. So the you know,
Speaker 1: the the Bucks. You would have thought, oh, maybe they
Speaker 1: win the turnover battle. Nope, they still lose it. They
Speaker 1: turned it over three times. They are the same team
Speaker 1: each and every week. They just sort of found a
Speaker 1: way to win this one. Remember when the Patriots had
Speaker 1: that long like streak of really extraordinary low fumbles and
Speaker 1: everybody thought it was some kind of weird combination of
Speaker 1: Belichick cheating and black magic. That was that was true,
Speaker 1: though this is different difference. It's most luck. The Bucks
Speaker 1: are the most like the perfectly situated three and six
Speaker 1: team ever they should end their season because they're the
Speaker 1: ultimate three and well they're fun. Ye we know who
Speaker 1: you are, that's we do. If they had a good defense,
Speaker 1: like a legit good defense, they'd be winning some games.
Speaker 1: Because as much as Winston gives it away and is
Speaker 1: is a huge problem with the turnovers. They put up
Speaker 1: points and they put up yards. O. J. Howard has
Speaker 1: been playing better lately. He had a big game which
Speaker 1: helped turn it around. Ronald Jones as a starting running
Speaker 1: back I thought made a difference last week. Didn't get
Speaker 1: it too much done on the ground today, but had
Speaker 1: seventy seven yards receiving and eight catches. They were killing
Speaker 1: him with screens. It's like this is it's a Bruce
Speaker 1: Arians team through and through, Kyler Murray filling up the
Speaker 1: box score again. How did he play? I thought he
Speaker 1: missed a number of throws early, but overall you gotta
Speaker 1: be excited. You hit Christen Kirk deep, couldn't get rid
Speaker 1: of the ball and that last draw right. I would say,
Speaker 1: a very up and down game, but at least he
Speaker 1: made a lot of plays, uh to go along with
Speaker 1: with the mistakes, although he did have the turnover. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's They're fun to watch. There are three six and
Speaker 1: one team too. They to me do not smell like
Speaker 1: a team that that should have been four or five
Speaker 1: and one. So I like it when teams just kind
Speaker 1: of reached their appropriate level. Vernon hargrains benched for lack
Speaker 1: of hustle. Never a good son. Never a good son.
Speaker 1: It takes a lot to unless you don't want to
Speaker 1: conte there. It's a very good sign for him. You
Speaker 1: ever touched Jameis Winston s Hanny ever shake his hand?
Speaker 1: I've never met him Like pure ice. The man fears
Speaker 1: nothing but gunways. Coo COO's feet or two. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: That's Patrick back to throw, get the pressure again, rolls
Speaker 1: to his right. Fix is the Royal kicks the fun
Speaker 1: hold right, Ryan said, Patrick fake pumped in and took
Speaker 1: off you I'm going to the corner a touchdown. The
Speaker 1: last thing that defense was worried about was thirty six
Speaker 1: year old quarterback running the football. You know, when you
Speaker 1: get older than thirty six and announced to say it's up,
Speaker 1: you start to feel bad about yourself because it's like,
Speaker 1: it's not that crazy that he ran eleven yards. He's
Speaker 1: a thirty six year old professional athlete. It's like the
Speaker 1: the idea that you Jimmy Sepalo, Bob Greasy and Joe
Speaker 1: Rose with the cough of the Dolphins radio network. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if it's magic eleven yard touchdown run in the first
Speaker 1: half and then the Dolphins make a late stop with
Speaker 1: the help of a costly mental error from Eric Ebron
Speaker 1: that preserves a win over the Colts. That's two straight
Speaker 1: wins for the Dolphins, who have put that historically in
Speaker 1: apt first two months in the rear view draft positioning
Speaker 1: be damned, Mark how they win an Indy today. I
Speaker 1: think they're really well coached. I mean, for the lack
Speaker 1: of assets on both sides, for both lines being what
Speaker 1: they are, I think they're the least penalized team in
Speaker 1: the entire NFL right now. And that has a lot
Speaker 1: to do with Brian Flores and he you know what,
Speaker 1: forget the whole organic tank business. They were fired up
Speaker 1: on the sideline. And this is a Colts team that
Speaker 1: rode through the first seven games of the year with
Speaker 1: seven turnovers, and that's how they want, I think, partly
Speaker 1: because they were a mistake free operation. They've had six
Speaker 1: in the last two weeks. And you got the every
Speaker 1: other Brian Hoyer game where he played really well last week.
Speaker 1: Today he was a turnover machine. They just don't have
Speaker 1: enough around him to make up for the mistakes. And
Speaker 1: in Miami watching them today, I I understand that the
Speaker 1: the whole point here is to try to get the
Speaker 1: first overall pick. They're gonna win three or four games,
Speaker 1: they've already got to and they've got the Bengals on
Speaker 1: their schedule later in the year, they've got the Jets
Speaker 1: and Giants. They could win one of those two four
Speaker 1: and twelve. That's the thing that people that aren't really
Speaker 1: you know, watching the Dolphins, they've been conflating this whole
Speaker 1: time that the Dolphins aren't trying to win. The team's
Speaker 1: trying to win. It's the management that set them up. Now,
Speaker 1: it was more a major league type thing, uh the
Speaker 1: movie than an actual situation where the whole team was
Speaker 1: in the tank. And you've seen it week after week
Speaker 1: that they were getting better. And yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: is a credit to Floors because if you think about it,
Speaker 1: that was the worst start of any team in NFL history.
Speaker 1: Now you can also say that's kind of on Brian
Speaker 1: Floors too if you want, if you want to be
Speaker 1: that guy, but the fact that he was able to
Speaker 1: get them out of that bleak place where they were
Speaker 1: the joke and the laughing stock of the league, and
Speaker 1: everyone with their very somber takes about how the Dolphins were.
Speaker 1: You know, a disgrace for what they were doing and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. He just kept on trying to get
Speaker 1: this team competitive and now they're winning. Isn't this near
Speaker 1: the top of the reasons why your front office should
Speaker 1: not tank because you're coaching players are not going to
Speaker 1: be on board with your plan. Well, why, yeah, why
Speaker 1: would they? I mean, they didn't look like a team
Speaker 1: tanking when they stuffed the Cults twenty seven yards rushing
Speaker 1: for Indianapolis in the first half. One of the best
Speaker 1: offensive lines in football in Miami completely bottled them up
Speaker 1: and it was an impressive last week. As a Jets fan,
Speaker 1: I'm reading all the post mortems and there is talk
Speaker 1: is this the worst Jets loss of all times? Like, no,
Speaker 1: because the Dolphins have been competitive for weeks now, they
Speaker 1: were gonna get a win, and now they got two
Speaker 1: wins and his mark saying they're probably gonna get three
Speaker 1: and four and potentially be out of the top five.
Speaker 1: And perhaps there are Dolphins fans that are upset about that,
Speaker 1: And I get that too, because, um, when you're trying
Speaker 1: to get a young franchise quarterback something times, you just
Speaker 1: want things to work out your way. And maybe Greg,
Speaker 1: they still have enough assets even if they go for
Speaker 1: and twelve or three and thirteen that they could make
Speaker 1: them trade up the board. So it's not the end.
Speaker 1: Even if they don't end. It's even right now they're
Speaker 1: only in the fourth spot with two wins, then too
Speaker 1: far down they can not get the number one pick
Speaker 1: and still get the guy they want potentially. Can we
Speaker 1: just point out that this Colts team is not like
Speaker 1: the five and three Colts team that the record said
Speaker 1: they was. They were playing without their starting quarterback, uh two,
Speaker 1: three of their top four wide receivers, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. The expectations have changed so much in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: They're saying the same things about how embarrassing this losses
Speaker 1: and what a travesty. It kind of shows how high
Speaker 1: the expectations are that Reich has made so quickly that
Speaker 1: a team led by Brian Hoyer or the number one
Speaker 1: wide receiver Zach Pascal is fully expected to win. And
Speaker 1: it is a bad loss, but it they've been playing
Speaker 1: with very slim margins and their offensive line is overrated.
Speaker 1: Based on how they've played the last three or four weeks,
Speaker 1: they just haven't made a big difference. I watched I
Speaker 1: try to watch that game closely. We go they're not putting,
Speaker 1: they weren't pushing the other team around on the offensive line,
Speaker 1: and the Dolphins are playing much tougher defensively, because if
Speaker 1: you're getting any pressure on Hoyer and you're stopping the
Speaker 1: run fairly well, then this is not a team the
Speaker 1: Colts that is where they're dominating on the offensive line anymore.
Speaker 1: I do wish we could have gotten a full season
Speaker 1: from Darius Leonard. He was awesome today, thirteen tackles, had
Speaker 1: a massive sack of Ryan Fitzpatrick on third down, had
Speaker 1: an interception, And the cults though, also they you know
Speaker 1: that you're right the which Brissette had three interceptions through
Speaker 1: his entire run teams change. Oh, and coaching matters, like
Speaker 1: if Brian Floor is a good coach, I'd rather see
Speaker 1: that as a Dolphins fan, uh than see a bunch
Speaker 1: of losses. I think I feel like this is one
Speaker 1: of the defining moments of Fitzpatrick's career, like a thing
Speaker 1: that you'll remember. It's awesome. I think his his leadership
Speaker 1: and spirit for lack of a better word, not that
Speaker 1: he played like lights out today, but that's a tough
Speaker 1: spot and I don't think there's many quarterbacks that could
Speaker 1: have come in and kind of had the intensity and
Speaker 1: way to build this team out. His beard, by the way,
Speaker 1: is now at an insane level. Like I get it.
Speaker 1: It was big and bushy for a long time, but
Speaker 1: it is. It looks like that lives in the Harvard
Speaker 1: Library and like no one ever went and got absolutely
Speaker 1: he just lives his entire life there. Um. And I
Speaker 1: should add a little context before we move on. Eric
Speaker 1: Ebron on a fourth and ten with a game on
Speaker 1: the line, ran a nine yard route, was stopped like
Speaker 1: eight and a half yard route. It wasn't even close.
Speaker 1: They didn't even have to take out the sticks, and
Speaker 1: everybody just kind of was like Brian Flores ran down
Speaker 1: the sideline and he was pumped up, but everybody else
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I guess we just won the game
Speaker 1: because this dude didn't run a ten yard route with
Speaker 1: the game on the line needing ten yards. Okay, we'll
Speaker 1: take it just a little more context. They wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been in that situation if Adam Vinitary hadn't missed a
Speaker 1: killer point P A T. I mean, just every week
Speaker 1: you're getting something new. I talked about this last week.
Speaker 1: You gotta make the move. I gotta make the move.
Speaker 1: You already been Coop be a playoff team if you
Speaker 1: had Coup. Can't pick up the phone call Kai. What
Speaker 1: I gotta do. The book on Kai must not be
Speaker 1: a good read at this point. To be honest. Let's
Speaker 1: move on to the most important game of week ten.
Speaker 1: Jones back to throw under some pressure. He'll be hit.
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams takes the ball away. He's gonna run right
Speaker 1: in store. Jamal Adams in the five, He's gonna be
Speaker 1: the end zone for a touchdown. Jamal Adams on Uplitz
Speaker 1: simply sees the ball away from Daniel Jones and runs
Speaker 1: it back for a Jet defensive touchdown. Haven't heard much
Speaker 1: from Bob was shusan over on the Jets radio network
Speaker 1: on this program, but we hear it there. The Jets
Speaker 1: twitter feed called it a gimme six. Jamal Adams muscle
Speaker 1: pass se Kwan Barkley. Then the rip ripped the ball
Speaker 1: out of the hands of Daniel Jones took it to
Speaker 1: the house for the Jets, who leaned on their star
Speaker 1: safety and seven win over the Giants in a big, dumb,
Speaker 1: stupid fun football game between two bad teams. How's this
Speaker 1: for a stat line? Uh from the Presidents as he
Speaker 1: calls himself. Eight tackles uh, two sacks, two force fumbles,
Speaker 1: one fumble recovery, a touchdown, and a crucial fourth down
Speaker 1: stop on a Daniel Jones QB speak in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: It was the best game of his career and a
Speaker 1: stark reminder that one of the chiefs of the Jets
Speaker 1: chief priorities going forward, and they have a lot of
Speaker 1: work to do to build this organization into um a
Speaker 1: contender again. But to see if you can repair this relationship.
Speaker 1: And I know they're in the news this past week
Speaker 1: that he finally met with the GM and the coach
Speaker 1: and you know they smooth things over. But who knows
Speaker 1: if that's actually true. It might be just something to
Speaker 1: make the story go away. They what they should do
Speaker 1: is in the offseason, make them the highest paid safety
Speaker 1: in the league, because, as we saw in this game,
Speaker 1: his ceiling is higher than anybody. There are starting safeties
Speaker 1: who will go the full sixteen game schedule and not
Speaker 1: have that many game changing plays the entire season. That's outrageous.
Speaker 1: It was an important win for the Jets, who also
Speaker 1: got Sam Donald back on track a little bit. Uh
Speaker 1: for the third straight week. He went right down the
Speaker 1: field on the first possession scored a touchdown. The difference
Speaker 1: this time he scored another touchdown the next possession. They
Speaker 1: go ice cold again for most of the uh second
Speaker 1: quarter into the third quarter, and that's when Adams had
Speaker 1: his big touchdown which kind of studied the ship for
Speaker 1: New York. Uh. So the Jets overcome actually a second
Speaker 1: half deficit. Uh it was progress and no turnovers for
Speaker 1: Donald and on. So Adam Gaze, whose QB whisper reputation
Speaker 1: is in tatters, he needs to he needs to uh
Speaker 1: stack some performances like this from his quarterback to have
Speaker 1: a chance to stick around. And on the other sideline,
Speaker 1: I would think that Pat Shermer is getting close to
Speaker 1: needing a Hail Mary because, um, the Giants. You know
Speaker 1: this again, this is an organization that's a proud organization
Speaker 1: that's had a lot of success and they've been bad
Speaker 1: for a while now and they were just dreadful in
Speaker 1: this game. I mean they're now two and eight, they've
Speaker 1: lost six in a row. And when Daniel Jones, who
Speaker 1: again is a very promising young quarterback, when he throws
Speaker 1: with three hundred yards and four touchdowns um and passed
Speaker 1: a post A passer rating north of one twenty. And
Speaker 1: you still can't beat the Jets. Uh. It just shows
Speaker 1: the glaring deficiencies around you on your roster. I found
Speaker 1: an answer to a question that I didn't know I had,
Speaker 1: but now I have. How many rushes do you need
Speaker 1: to have an average of zero point one yards per
Speaker 1: carro What is the answer? Thirteen carreys per sit Kwon
Speaker 1: Barkley zero point one yards per carry because he managed
Speaker 1: one yard right, yeah, Tom Rock from News they broke
Speaker 1: it down well. He averaged two point seven five inches
Speaker 1: per carry. Yeah, and that is you know, that's obviously
Speaker 1: credit to the Jets run defense, which just been good
Speaker 1: all year. But also I don't know if se Kwan
Speaker 1: Barkley is all the way back from that high ankle sprain. Uh.
Speaker 1: He has. He's had a couple of flashes since he's
Speaker 1: been back, but he certainly hasn't been the same guy.
Speaker 1: So they couldn't run the ball and their defense had
Speaker 1: too many lapses, and uh, yeah, I just wonder if
Speaker 1: Shermer is gonna make it well. Then they mentioned that
Speaker 1: John Mara was Giants owner was absolutely steamed after the game,
Speaker 1: making eye contact with no one while answering a few questions.
Speaker 1: I do wonder about what's going on. I know levy
Speaker 1: on Bell is not fully healthy either, but his box
Speaker 1: score is troubling as well, and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: just sort of week after week waiting for that one.
Speaker 1: Levy on Bell gates under an eighty yards and he's
Speaker 1: never getting it. The average less than two yards to carry.
Speaker 1: They have a terrible offensive line, but I don't think
Speaker 1: he's moving as well. And I know he was very
Speaker 1: banged up going into this week, if that played a role,
Speaker 1: but there were a couple of times it doesn't happen
Speaker 1: often with his offense, but where he got the ball
Speaker 1: with a little bit of space and he didn't seem
Speaker 1: to have uh the juice. Um. So yeah, that is
Speaker 1: something worth tracking for the Jets. But very strange game
Speaker 1: that neither team top first of all jones through for
Speaker 1: three d and four yards and the Giants didn't. In
Speaker 1: the Giants gained less than three hundred yards. They also
Speaker 1: don't that too. He was sax six times for fifty
Speaker 1: yards and then and then the Jets didn't Game three
Speaker 1: hundred yards either in a game they scored um thirty
Speaker 1: four points, four points and scored four touchdowns. And someone
Speaker 1: had a great stat of the Giants record since O'Dell
Speaker 1: and and everyone on the boat took the picture. Remember
Speaker 1: that the boat pure ten and thirty two. Since that
Speaker 1: that picture was, that's better than I would have expect
Speaker 1: that in thirty Teams don't do well on these boat trips.
Speaker 1: We know that from the Vikings and others. Yeah, some
Speaker 1: trips go worse than others. Um um. And finally before
Speaker 1: we move on, um, you know, we haven't had many
Speaker 1: opportunities to have my dad on to share his thoughts
Speaker 1: about figure, you know, coming off a dub wearing club
Speaker 1: dub in the Mettlelands. So it's here from Keith Hansas.
Speaker 1: His name was Keith, you don't doubt about it. He's
Speaker 1: a big fan. Well he games. Great comeback win by
Speaker 1: the Jets today. Jamal Adams was the start of the game.
Speaker 1: That strip was simply outrageous. Uh that he that he
Speaker 1: got put a touchdown. The Jets uh kept the penalties down.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, second and a half they
Speaker 1: only had one penalty which was huge for them. Uh.
Speaker 1: They stopped to run. Barkley is not an easy guy
Speaker 1: to stop, and they stuffed him all day. Donald was
Speaker 1: clean this week, which was big. The p I with
Speaker 1: Anderson was huge, down to stretch and uh, like I said,
Speaker 1: no turnovers, team win, total team win by the Jets
Speaker 1: onto next week. There you go. It's good to hear
Speaker 1: Dad happy. I appreciate that you have haven't forced him
Speaker 1: to come on during all these losses. That's it's nice
Speaker 1: of you. Did you catch that in the background? What
Speaker 1: was it the William Tell overture? That's the Lone Ranger
Speaker 1: your dad. Listen. Maybe they're a big w Keith and
Speaker 1: dev They just settle into their recliners. They're retired now
Speaker 1: and they check out. What's that channel that has all
Speaker 1: the old shows? Me TV? That's that's a big baby
Speaker 1: boomer boomer channel. So maybe maybe they're checking out some
Speaker 1: me TV in a big spot. Yeah. When Heath loves
Speaker 1: a little Leave It to Beaver, he loves Perry Mason,
Speaker 1: he likes some of those older shows. Maybe Lone Ranger
Speaker 1: is not one that I've noticed on his menu in
Speaker 1: the past, but I'll check in. Could just be watching
Speaker 1: something else with that song plan or you could have
Speaker 1: been listening to the Loan Render soundtrack. Do you have
Speaker 1: a record everything? I mean, they're probably they're probably having
Speaker 1: fun time. I will do the reporting on this and
Speaker 1: get back to you on Tuesday. Let's go to Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Football four and five from the Vikings fourteen Prescott
Speaker 1: out of the Shotguns Blay. We all know that Eric Kendricks,
Speaker 1: who's top three in the league for pass break up
Speaker 1: for a linebacker, So they thought that they had that
Speaker 1: mismatch with Zeke on Eric Kendricks and Rick Kendricks. Paul,
Speaker 1: what a beautiful play, Paul Allen and Pete Versus of
Speaker 1: the Vikings radio network with the call good insight there.
Speaker 1: Cowboys thought they had the mismatch. Eric Kendricks says, no,
Speaker 1: he swats it away, and essentially that was it for
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. The Vikings were able to essentially run
Speaker 1: out the clock after that and get a twenty eight
Speaker 1: to win in Gerald world, a huge win for the Vikings,
Speaker 1: who moved to seven and three with the win, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys four fall to five and four. Keeping the
Speaker 1: NFC is very interesting, Greg, you weren't a fan of
Speaker 1: how Jason Garrett and the Cowboys and Kellen Moore ran
Speaker 1: that final sequence. Yeah, we'll we'll get to giving the
Speaker 1: Vikings credit because it's it's a great road win. I
Speaker 1: think they they dominated up front in the running game
Speaker 1: on both sides. But Jason Garrett is very often to
Speaker 1: me the difference in close Cowboys games and in this
Speaker 1: game the time that they took in terms of managing
Speaker 1: the game, especially after they got under the two minute warning.
Speaker 1: They were acting like they were ahead by four. You
Speaker 1: want to maximize your chances and you want to try
Speaker 1: to get the ball back if you don't score, which
Speaker 1: ended up happening with as much time as possible. More importantly,
Speaker 1: they just kept running Zekiel Elliott on first downs and
Speaker 1: in key situations when it wasn't working. Bob Stern, who
Speaker 1: does an awesome job the athletic would be right near
Speaker 1: the top of my Athletic writer power ranking, just he
Speaker 1: is amazing. He noticed that fifteen of their twenty three
Speaker 1: first downs. This was late in the fourth so it
Speaker 1: could have been updated. Uh, they ran on first down
Speaker 1: and they basically got no yardage on those plays. Zeke
Speaker 1: was just stuffed, including five carries for three yards on
Speaker 1: that last field goal drive. You added that, plus how
Speaker 1: Garrett never goes for it on fourth down. Four different
Speaker 1: fourth downs in the game where they're on the Vikings
Speaker 1: side of the field and it's five or six yards
Speaker 1: or less, they didn't go for it one time. In
Speaker 1: fairness to Jason Garrett, Kellen Moore is calling those runs
Speaker 1: on the first downs correct. Well, we don't know if
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's telling him, hey, here's whatever it is that
Speaker 1: cowboy's offense. That's fair that the game management stuff in
Speaker 1: terms of, you know, decide to go for it on
Speaker 1: fourth downs, that's all certainly Garrett, but yes, paint the
Speaker 1: broader brush. You gotta do better when you have a
Speaker 1: game like this out of Dak Prescott, which was sensational,
Speaker 1: and you don't only put up twenty four points. I
Speaker 1: said earlier in the year, I thought they had one
Speaker 1: of the best coaching staffs in the league. And Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore has the number one ranked d v o A
Speaker 1: offense going into this game. John kitt of the Quarterbacks coach,
Speaker 1: I believe has Dak Prescott playing better than he did
Speaker 1: even in his rookie year. He's been exceptional this year.
Speaker 1: Rob Mary Nelly, one of the best position coaches in
Speaker 1: the league. On the defensive line, Christopher Shard showed last
Speaker 1: year he can call the plays really well. I don't
Speaker 1: trust the head coach. I'm with Greg on that. That's
Speaker 1: been the case for years, and it's it's a night
Speaker 1: like this wipes out what was an incredible performance from
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, who would have been the talk of the
Speaker 1: town had they won this thing. I just sometimes feel
Speaker 1: like Garrett's a punching bag and he's an easy target.
Speaker 1: They did, didn't execute. What does he if he's not
Speaker 1: calling the plays and he's an offensive mind, what does
Speaker 1: he bring to them if his games management is suspect?
Speaker 1: I agree with you they did next I get I
Speaker 1: agree he takes maybe too much of it, but man,
Speaker 1: I've just watched these close Cowboys losses. It feels like
Speaker 1: that for a long time. And and the whole idea
Speaker 1: this is an offense first team. It's a pass first team.
Speaker 1: That's what they're great at, and you're not leaning into it.
Speaker 1: There was four, like I said, four different fourth downs
Speaker 1: where it was five for six yards. There was a
Speaker 1: fourth and goal at the end of the game on
Speaker 1: the five and you kicked the field goal. Meanwhile, Dac
Speaker 1: at one point was five for five on third down
Speaker 1: in ten yards plus. I mean, he's hitting all these
Speaker 1: impossible throws that he has to make because you keep
Speaker 1: running on first and second death down the other side
Speaker 1: of the ball, you know. West We talked about it
Speaker 1: on this podcast a lot, how whether it's something that
Speaker 1: should be done or should be done. Kirk Cousins is
Speaker 1: the center of the narrative around the vikings of whether
Speaker 1: they sink or swim, and in this case, Cousins was
Speaker 1: neither the total hero and he certainly wasn't the goat,
Speaker 1: but he did his job. All that talk about that
Speaker 1: he's a guy that struggles in these type of spots
Speaker 1: while he was he was perfectly fine today and he
Speaker 1: kept the team moving with some long touchdown drives. He
Speaker 1: did not turn the ball over, and that's been a
Speaker 1: major issue with Cousins and games like this in the past.
Speaker 1: But the star of the game on offense was actually
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, who, again, uh, is a guy that and
Speaker 1: he's right behind Christian McCaffrey in terms of total yardage
Speaker 1: for all NFL players, and he saw it again. He
Speaker 1: ran for close to a hundred yards. He adds seven
Speaker 1: for eighty six through the air. He was on a
Speaker 1: day where they did not have Adam feeling, and when
Speaker 1: you don't have feeling, Stefon Diggs is not the same player.
Speaker 1: Davil Cook was there again to keep the offense moving,
Speaker 1: made a nice athletic jump pass on that touchdown which
Speaker 1: Rudolph made an awesome catch on in the back of
Speaker 1: the end. Zinne, And you're right, the the m v
Speaker 1: P of this offense, the most important player is Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 1: not Kirk Cousins. But kirk Cousins has still had you know,
Speaker 1: he's had some ups and downs, but overall a good
Speaker 1: year and once again is a top half of the
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback It's a it's a perception thing too, because
Speaker 1: had kirk cousins season started with the last four games
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year, we would be going
Speaker 1: absolutely nuts about him. It was the it was a
Speaker 1: wicked slump he had and it was a team wide issue.
Speaker 1: And they are going to continue on with Cook. I
Speaker 1: love Alexander Madison being used more and more each week. Two.
Speaker 1: I can trust this offense with the two of them. Right.
Speaker 1: For all the criticism you know I just had with
Speaker 1: Garrett the defense of the Cowboys let them down again
Speaker 1: like they have for much of the season. They give
Speaker 1: up to two touchdowns on the first two drives of
Speaker 1: the game. That's a you know, rible way obviously to
Speaker 1: set the tone. And then the first two drives of
Speaker 1: the second half, Vikings go twelve plays for a field goal,
Speaker 1: thirteen plays for a touchdown. They could not get off
Speaker 1: the field. And that last touchdown drive, you know, they
Speaker 1: ran a ten straight times. That's just Mike Zimmer love
Speaker 1: him life right there like mono, Oh what is it's
Speaker 1: mono imano? Those those linebackers last year at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. Ever, they boxed everyone into that ten
Speaker 1: yards between you know, before the first down sticks. And
Speaker 1: I'd like to read an article or talk to someone
Speaker 1: and tell me are the linebackers not playing as well
Speaker 1: or the defensive lineman not clogging up the scene and
Speaker 1: taking on as many blockers and not allowing the linebackers
Speaker 1: to do what they do. So the Cowboys pile up
Speaker 1: four d and forty three yards of offense, scored twenty
Speaker 1: four points and lose. Uh And yeah, you look, you
Speaker 1: take a look at what's going on in the NFC
Speaker 1: East as a result. I mean This is supposed to
Speaker 1: be their division, but when you look at the standings,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a dog fight down the stretch unless
Speaker 1: they find a way to start stringing together some wins.
Speaker 1: Because at five and four and West and I were
Speaker 1: talking about this while we watch this game, that d
Speaker 1: V O A and all. A lot of the advanced
Speaker 1: analytics point to the Cowboys as being a top team
Speaker 1: in the league. But right now they're tied at five
Speaker 1: and four, a middling record, a top the NFC. So
Speaker 1: they got to figure out a way to translate all
Speaker 1: that great production and those type of numbers into w's
Speaker 1: or they're just not gonna go very far this season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're already in a dog fight. They have the same
Speaker 1: record as the Eagles, right and they are four. No,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are in the division. But this game I
Speaker 1: think could be really big in the playoff picture. Vikings Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you figure are gonna be two teams that are gonna
Speaker 1: be in the mix to the end, whether that's for
Speaker 1: a home game as a division winner or whether they're
Speaker 1: fighting for the fifth or six playoff spot, and the
Speaker 1: Vikings getting the win on the road almost counts a
Speaker 1: little double. I think these are both playoff teams still
Speaker 1: as as frustrating as the Cowboys have been at times
Speaker 1: this year. I I think so, Mark, you don't think so, No,
Speaker 1: I I have no problem at that. I think the end,
Speaker 1: the bottom half of the NFC playoff grid is figuring
Speaker 1: itself out, and the Cowboys this is these games are
Speaker 1: coming down to snippets, plays, little moments, and we'd be
Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboys completely differently on a night where
Speaker 1: they had four hundred and fifty plus. It's the last
Speaker 1: couple of moments that Kendricks, you know, doesn't make what
Speaker 1: really was a great play. It's the yard behind where
Speaker 1: he was made. Uh. The All Pro team with West
Speaker 1: did a great job on and you know balled out
Speaker 1: again tonight. There are a lot of positive signs for
Speaker 1: these Cowboys, including Prescott had no pressure on him for
Speaker 1: most of the night. Not only does Cooper go for
Speaker 1: one seven, but Cob goes for goes for over a hundred,
Speaker 1: Gallop goes for seventies six. There's a lot to deal
Speaker 1: with on this offense. That's why, you know, maybe I
Speaker 1: get a little more frustrated when and the end doesn't
Speaker 1: get come together. I would like to see Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: move into a period of this season where he's playing
Speaker 1: dominant uh the stically the last week. I just don't
Speaker 1: see a second level defenders fifty yards a game the
Speaker 1: last month. It's pretty good. The big plays aren't there
Speaker 1: in previous years. He's getting thirty sixty yard plays that
Speaker 1: aren't there this year. All right, So what do we
Speaker 1: learned today? We learned that the Browns and Jets both won.
Speaker 1: That hasn't happened a lot playoff push for both of
Speaker 1: those franchises. I liked. I liked um Baker's press conference outfit.
Speaker 1: That was a nice bounces. To be real about it,
Speaker 1: you were thinking was slinging with with arrows downstairs in
Speaker 1: the newsroom. I thought that he I'm sorry, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the charisma of Sam Donald in front of the
Speaker 1: but he is who he is. That's like taking shots
Speaker 1: on him. But I missed the zinger that apparently was
Speaker 1: so devastating. I what I was saying was that he
Speaker 1: clearly put a out of effort into today's outfit. Now
Speaker 1: that's not a sling in an arrow and I do
Speaker 1: believe it was an improvement he was last week. He
Speaker 1: was dressed like a guy should be on a list.
Speaker 1: This week it was kind of like a DJ, like
Speaker 1: a hot DJ, and that's an improvement. All I if
Speaker 1: he's gonna win, I don't care what he's wearing. Half
Speaker 1: the league has quarterbacks wearing insane stuff after they win
Speaker 1: or lose. Mark, Mark, did you like the way Baker looked? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we Uh we did learn something else though. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been seven seasons. I don't know how many shows that's been.
Speaker 1: You know, this is our seventh NFL season. It's been
Speaker 1: a great ride. But what we learned is we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to come up with something else to do Sunday
Speaker 1: because we said, if we if we don't go over
Speaker 1: ten thousand followers on Instagram, the show is over and
Speaker 1: we're at six. A nice performance. I mean, we appreciate
Speaker 1: everyone jumping on board from six. Essentially from now. You
Speaker 1: made a great effort in Erica's you know, doing a
Speaker 1: great job, you know, running this account. But ultimately we're
Speaker 1: men of our word, and uh, the road ends here tonight. Yeah. Ye,
Speaker 1: and it's not you know, you look at the video
Speaker 1: preview show for Week ten. I looked at it. Over
Speaker 1: nine thousand people viewed that and saw the threat in
Speaker 1: the message that the show would end. A huge chunk
Speaker 1: of them did not follow the Instagram, but those nine
Speaker 1: thousand people want to check it out. It's at the
Speaker 1: A t M Podcast on Instagram. It's well, it's over,
Speaker 1: so don't even bother following now it's our last show.
Speaker 1: Well we could maybe we'll transition into something radio or
Speaker 1: or not a different sport. Maybe hear the YouTube is
Speaker 1: kids like that? Is that like? Is that the same
Speaker 1: sort of thing? What if we started XFL podcast affected tomorrow,
Speaker 1: then we have to watch XFL games. Well, we gotta
Speaker 1: start something new. We made a promise more time for
Speaker 1: Courts of Thunder. So that's that's the hit our off
Speaker 1: season infamous tennis blog. All right, we probably won't be
Speaker 1: back Tuesday, but if we were contractually forced to be here, uh,
Speaker 1: we will be here on Tuesday, and you can um
Speaker 1: continue to follow the NFL with us. We do enjoy
Speaker 1: it in all seriousness. That's awesome. We got a ton
Speaker 1: of new follows on that page and Ricky is doing
Speaker 1: great work building it up, which we appreciate. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thanks so much, dan Um. Wait, how did you say
Speaker 1: thank you the way you just said it that was
Speaker 1: a very like modern California. I don't know, I missed it,
Speaker 1: that's not it, but like it was, it wasn't as
Speaker 1: sexy as like, oh yeah, but it wasn't equal to that.
Speaker 1: But I'm more saying it was like a valley girlish
Speaker 1: type way. But I will listen to it again on
Speaker 1: the recording. All right, good, all right, So that's it.
Speaker 1: Let's go home, good show, good week, great week of football,
Speaker 1: great Sunday, all the way through Sunday night. Dan had
Speaker 1: to sign it out for a quiet storm, the Mailman,
Speaker 1: the Old Boss, Ricky Hollywood and Ryan Bartlett and friends
Speaker 1: until Tuesday. He's born February. Does that mean that he's
Speaker 1: really like twelve or eight or whatever? How that works?
Speaker 1: Birthday people, That's what I mean. I think they just
Speaker 1: would move into They just go the day before it
Speaker 1: the day after. You just think he's not he's not.
Speaker 1: What did you say? No, I think he's like nine
Speaker 1: you've been You think there's been twelve leap years since
Speaker 1: And I don't track this bull. That's a different ways.
Speaker 1: That's what you think. How often is Sleepier happening every
Speaker 1: four years? If I only could be as sharp as
Speaker 1: you Erica, you know, a dagger with an edge that
Speaker 1: could serrate and filet at all times. If talking it's
Speaker 1: really tender. You know, you don't have to be super
Speaker 1: super sharp to cut, but you are. She's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use this on Instagram. It's a good way
Speaker 1: to promote my brand. It's your brand. You gotta stay
Speaker 1: in February. If you're a leap even baby, you can't
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