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Speaker 1: Welcome to part Time Genius, the production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I Guess what will What's that man? Go? So you

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Speaker 1: know how in the twelve Days of Christmas, like half

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Speaker 1: of the gifts are just a bunch of random birds.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy. Actually, You've got swan, you got geese,

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Speaker 1: you've got turtle, doves, the partridge. The whole song is

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Speaker 1: like lousy with birds, yeah, or foul with foul if

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Speaker 1: it makes you wonder what the true love and this

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Speaker 1: song is thinking right, like like what are you supposed

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Speaker 1: to do with all this menagerie of birds? So we

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Speaker 1: did some digging this week and it turns out the

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Speaker 1: answer is you eat them, or at least that's the

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Speaker 1: prevailing theory, because most of the birds of the song

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Speaker 1: were served at holiday feasts in sixteenth century Europe. I've

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Speaker 1: actually not thought about that. So so this means the

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Speaker 1: song is basically just a menu, right pretty much. And

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Speaker 1: if you're the kind of person who's listening to this

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Speaker 1: and your mouth is watering and you're wishing you could

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Speaker 1: recreate this bird centric feast in your own home, well

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Speaker 1: you are in luck because there's a company in England

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Speaker 1: named Hell Farm and it offers something called the twelve

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Speaker 1: bird True Love Roast. I've actually got the order page

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Speaker 1: that is something else. I mean, it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: could describe it. Yeah. The company calls it a twelve

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Speaker 1: bird roast because it's made with twelve different kinds of birds,

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Speaker 1: one for each day of Christmas. But they didn't stop

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Speaker 1: eight birds crammed into this thing. Eight different types of

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Speaker 1: stuffing as well, but forty eight birds, Lord, this thing

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Speaker 1: must be enormous. Yeah. And according to the website, the

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Speaker 1: True Love Roast weighs about fifty five pounds and will

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Speaker 1: feed about a hundred and twenty five but it will

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Speaker 1: cost you. It's with a dish, so pretty steep. But

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Speaker 1: on the bright side, delivery is free and each roast

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Speaker 1: comes in its own large wicker hamper, fully prepared and

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Speaker 1: on a ton of bird meat. Now you know it's

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Speaker 1: it's worth it. Well. I I like the fact because

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Speaker 1: it's such a clear example of just how bizarre the

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Speaker 1: song really is. I mean, I've probably heard it like

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Speaker 1: it never gets any less strange. And I still don't

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Speaker 1: really know anything about this song. And after asking around

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Speaker 1: this week, I realized I'm not the only one who

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Speaker 1: feels this way. So with the holidays upon us, I

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Speaker 1: thought we could do our part by taking a closer

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Speaker 1: look and then sharing what we consider to be the

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Speaker 1: nine weirdest facts about the twelve Days of Christmas. In

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Speaker 1: fact one is that the song is actually a giant menu,

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Speaker 1: which means we've got eight more to go. Let's dive in.

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Speaker 1: Y Hey, their podcast listeners, Welcome to Part Time Genius.

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Speaker 1: I'm Will Pearson, and as always I'm joined by my

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Speaker 1: good friend Manes Ticketer and on the other side of

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Speaker 1: the soundproof glass chowing down on what he claims are

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Speaker 1: that easily. That's our friend and producer Lull. He does

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Speaker 1: look like he's really enjoying it. He is kind of

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Speaker 1: giving the game away by drinking out of that Popeye's cup.

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Speaker 1: But also joining us today is our researcher pal, Gabe Bluesier.

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Speaker 1: It's been a little while, Gabe. Thanks for coming on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we brought Gabe out of exile, but he's actually the

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Speaker 1: one who suggested we zero in on this twelve Days

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Speaker 1: of Christmas theme for today's show. Gave what was your

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Speaker 1: like my family to this thing where we would sing

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Speaker 1: But counterintuitively, the twelve days don't end on Christmas Day.

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Speaker 1: him gifts. So if anybody out there really wants to

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Speaker 1: So thirty years of family tradition straight down the drain.

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Speaker 1: But I'm actually glad we're getting into some of the

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Speaker 1: from my first fact, which is that the origin of

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Speaker 1: to it. Welcome back to part time Genius. We're talking

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Speaker 1: All right, Mago, it was your turn when we left off,

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Speaker 1: So what do you got for us next? So I've

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Speaker 1: this week, Gave Yeah, And to go along with it,

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Speaker 1: this week, Gabe, you have earned them. Congratulations. Thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: That is just what my apartment's missing. Yeah all right,

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Speaker 1: well that's gonna do it for today's Part Time Genius.

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Speaker 1: It's so great to have you back on the program, Gave.

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