WEBVTT - Friday Night Special: Shocking New Delphi Killer Conversations Revealed 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:08.879 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.120 and it's Friday night. You know what that means. I've 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:17.919 got a Friday Night special for you. Delphi killer Richard Allen. 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.880 The evidence just keeps piling up. We're learning things now. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:27.080 We didn't hear it trial. Now what will all the 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:31.160 haters say, all the trolls online that said the jury 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:35.400 got it wrong, the judge was wrong, the prosecutors were wrong. 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:40.199 The victims' families, Oh, they were wrong. Susan Hendrix, who 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.400 covered the case, she was wrong. I'm wrong. Everybody's wrong, 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:51.000 and Richard Allen is right. Not so quick tonight, we're 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:59.640 learning about chilling comments Richard Allen made after Liberty and 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:09.840 were killed, murdered, and before he was arrested to an individual, 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:14.720 a witness that you would think would do anything to 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:20.440 cover for Richard Allen, her own son. I mean, see, Grace, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.800 this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.319 being with us. Convicted Delphi double killer Richard Allen, local 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:33.000 pharmacy techt makes chilling statements to his own mother after 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:37.440 he murders Libby and Abby and before long before he 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:42.199 is arrested. Of course, when the two best friends, Abby 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.720 and Libby didn't come home from the local hiking trail. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:52.320 Delphi residents dropped everything they were doing to help find 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:57.280 the girls, and then their worst nightmares came true. The girls' 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:03.840 bodies mutilated were discovered in the woods the next day. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:09.560 But now we learn one person, a forty five year 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:14.920 old pharmacy tech, a husband, a father, a son, was 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:21.280 making really weird comments about the murders and trying to 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:26.040 talk his own relatives out of joining the searches. I 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:30.040 didn't know that at trial. This is all new, and 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.359 we're learning it all from a brand new book, Shadow 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.079 of the Bridge, The Delphi Murders, and the Dark Side 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:42.360 of the American Heartland. What did Richard Allen say to 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:47.640 his mother after the murders and before long before he 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:52.960 was arrested a few days after Libby and Abbey were murdered, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:58.280 Janice Allan, Richard Allen's mother, got a very odd call 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.679 from her son, Chard Allan, and out of the blue, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.639 sounding very nervous, he says, quote, they're going to pend 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:11.360 this on me. Why would he say that right after 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.240 the murders. He wasn't even a suspect. He told his 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.680 mother that he had been on the trails the day 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.560 the girls were murdered and had been smoking a cigarette, 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.440 and he came up with this elaborate theory that investigators 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.520 would find the cigarette butt, get his DNA off it, 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.800 and use that to tie him to the crime scene. Now, 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:35.000 his mother later told this to police, and she says 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.560 she found it very odd, but she kept it to 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:45.600 herself for years. How did we get here? The killer 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:53.160 was right under everybody's nose, literally in the center of town. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.760 First of all, take a listen to our friends at WHR. 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.400 We know Richard Allen worked as a licensed farming tech 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.600 at this CVS here in Delphi. But many continue to 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.160 ask and wonder how a man now charged with two 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.320 counts of murder managed to stay under the radar in 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.080 a town of about three thousand people. Those who live 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.719 in Delphi are still trying to cope with news that 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.400 Richard Allen is the man police say murdered Abby Williams 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:21.360 and Libby Jerman. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.400 I mean, it's the day after Halloween, but it is. 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:25.440 It's a little eerie. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.960 And tense in downtown Delphi on the Square, businesses like 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.480 the Office Tavern put up a new sign on their 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.760 door reading no media aloud. They weren't the only ones. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.719 Country Hair also had a sign off camera. One business 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.279 owner Total thirteen news. The community is still in shock. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:47.120 Even the girls' families grappling with the reality that their 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:53.680 girls a murderer, brutal murderer. Remember, according to one released affidavit, 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.960 there were copious amounts of blood at the scene. These 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:03.839 two little girls, libbyan Abbey had their throats slit. They 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.640 are grappling with the reality that the killer was right 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.480 under their nose. Take a listen to Fox fifty nine. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.960 They're also facing a harsh reality that Richard Allen was 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:15.800 living amongst them the whole time. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.279 I don't know the gentleman. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.479 Personally at all, you know, so I probably seen him, 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.960 but you know, it's a small county, you know, but 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.080 definitely don't. I don't know him. 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:29.360 One of the most chilling revelations was that Becky said Alan, 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.680 who worked at a local CBS, had printed off pictures 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.240 for the girls's funeral, leaving the family to wonder how 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:37.120 did nobody know? 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.919 When the family says we didn't know him, that's like 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:46.360 you don't know your mailman. You don't know the guy 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.680 at McDonald's. It gives you a large coffee with two 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:54.080 creams in it every morning. You don't know the neighbor 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.880 three doors down, but you do. Again, thank you for 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.680 being with us as we are struggling with the reality 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:06.479 that a double killer, according to police, was right there 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.560 saying good morning. How can I help you every single 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:14.480 day to practiculally everybody in town To Cheryl McCollum joining me, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.159 Founder director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl, isn't 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:19.680 the CVS right in the middle of. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.400 Town, Right in the middle of town. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.159 If you take the CBS and make it the center 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.320 of a wheel with spokes, you get to the high school, 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.480 you get to the middle school, you get to the bridge. 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.320 Everywhere is centered from downtown. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.120 Well, you know, I know our pharmacists because the twins 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:38.839 are so sick when they were little, we were in 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.919 there all the time. I know them. They're families through pictures. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.520 Everybody that works there. You get to know your pharmacist, 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:51.800 and this local pharmacy tech seemingly dealt with everybody in town. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:56.040 Joining me right now. Max Lewis with Fox fifty nine. 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.080 You can find him on insta at Max Lewis TV. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.960 Max thank you for being with us. I guess the 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:06.560 town is stunned right now because in one picture he's 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.320 at a bar, what was it, J and hc ands 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.560 bar and grill. He's sitting right there living it up, 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:19.240 and right behind him on the wall is his composite. Yeah. 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.680 I mean people were just when we heard about it, 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.920 we saw this picture, we saw who he was. People 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.560 were stunned. Five and a half years they've been investigating 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.960 this and this guy has been living amongst them the 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.000 whole time. He's been filling their prescriptions, they' printing off 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:39.040 photos form at CBS, and nobody saw anything. I think 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.840 that's sort of what the family was saying there. And 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.640 what a whole lot of people have told me is 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.800 really nobody saw this guy. Nobody looked at the sketch 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.600 and thought maybe it was him or anything like that. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.680 I mean, it was just sort of really shocking. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.320 Right now, the shock factor. And I'll tell you what 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:58.800 I think, and this is from having handle cases where 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.640 the killer was right there in the community the whole time. Yeah, 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.960 we all looked at the possibility it was a transient. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.840 But Cheryl McComb, you and I agreed on day one, 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.840 this was no transient. Right day one, you and. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.360 I said it, and we never wavered from it. We 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.200 even said he would be within five miles and there 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.400 once I got to Delphi and we saw where the 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.040 bridge was, I mean that to me, I was like, 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:25.760 he's even closer than I think. 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:30.240 And remember the guy the catfisher was Keegan kleinb Gosh 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.800 I not now I know their names by heart. Keegan 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:37.480 Kline was a perv, pasty looking dude, middle age. I 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:41.600 think he is anyway, using a screenshot Anthony shots of 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.160 a Justin Bieber looking aline trying to lure young girls. 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.559 And he was talking to them just a day or 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.640 two before and maybe the day of. But he lives 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.560 like thirty sixty miles away, and you and I thought, yeah, 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:59.920 that's tempting, it's really tempting. But the distance didn't fit 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.040 to us, because who would know to go to that 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:07.319 dirt road, to that particular trail, to that trestle bridge 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.680 and then down to a bottleneck tape forced the girls 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.400 down to where they really couldn't get away and murder them. 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:14.360 Had to be a local. 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.480 It had to be a local with intimate knowledge, because 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.320 even where they crossed the creek that's where the creek 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.679 was shallow. Other parts of it are waist deep. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.760 This person knew Hold on, wait a minute, I'm trying 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.199 to drink him. What you're saying parts of the creek shallow, 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.679 other parts waste deep, and that factored into it. It 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.839 absolutely did. Why are you saying that, because again. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.040 This person would have to know that if you and 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.440 I just were visiting that area, we would know where 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:44.560 to cross that creek and again waist high, chest high 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.160 in some places that has been raining, but he knew 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.880 right where to cross where it was less than ankle deep. 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.839 And Max Lewis Fox fifty nine joining us, He's been 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:57.600 all over this, Max Lewis. The thing is the killer 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.560 would know, and you've been to that trestle Bridge times. 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.680 The killer would have to know that there were other 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.040 people that were in that I'm going to call it 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.440 a park, it's more like a hiking area, and where 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.560 he killed them, other people would not be able to 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.600 see what was going on, even though they could be 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:16.960 walking around in the hiking area. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.920 Yeah, and you know, yeah, this is a very well 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.600 traveled area, So I mean, it's hard to believe that 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.320 nobody would have seen them. That may be where the 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.360 sort of you remember that that chilling audio recording the 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:32.320 down the hill. You know, we don't necessarily know, you know, 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.280 if he is the bridge guy per se. You know 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.880 that's still they're holding everything close to the best at 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:38.240 this point. 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.480 Okay, wait, wait, well woa whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:46.280 the train, Max Lewis, Let's follow that theory to its 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:50.880 logical conclusion, and that would be that there were two killers. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.560 That one guy lured them down, the so called bridge guy, 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.800 and then Richard Allen raped and murdered them. I find 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.680 that hard to believe. My mind is still open. But 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:00.880 is that you're suggesting? 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.880 Well, that seems to be somewhat of the indication that 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:09.320 we are getting at this point, because they do reddit. No, no, 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.600 we're getting that from the way they're handling this. They 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.000 steal those documents, they say, this investigation is ongoing. What 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.400 more than they need? If they have their guide they've 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.679 made and the rest they found a probable concept of David, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:22.400 what more. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:22.720 Do they need? 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.480 Cheryl mc coombs, straighten it out, woman. 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:29.640 There's a great possibility there are additional victims. So they 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.760 are going to connect every dot they possibly can. This 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:38.040 investigation does not end, and arrest in a great world 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:39.439 is where it starts. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.720 Yeah, you know you really think I'm not picking on you, 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.400 Max Lewis, You're the messenger, Okay, but do you really 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.520 think this guy went from zero to one twenty mph 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:57.559 in one day? Because I don't even when a sports car, 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.360 it takes a minute to heat up. So I'm not 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.760 buying it. I think what Cheryl mccoum just said is right. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.400 I think a law enforcement are looking for other young 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.240 girl victims. Were they sex assaulted, were they threatened, did 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.560 they feel threatened? And for people that may have helped 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:18.959 him cover up this crime. Back to who is this guy? 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.400 Take a listen now to this. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.880 Before moving to DOLPHI, he lived in this home with 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:24.760 his wife and daughter. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:26.599 According to neighbors, David. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.360 Yoder lived across the street but has known Allan since 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.400 he was born and grew up with his dad. 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.920 I mean, I would have never thought living crossed the 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.240 road from him, there's anything, that's. 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.400 Where we're setting my kids due if there had been 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:39.000 any trouble. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.000 But after hearing, Allan was arrested in charge with killing 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.120 Abby Williams and Libby Jerman. He's now questioning if he 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:45.960 really knew him. 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.439 It's just hard to believe. He's a heck of a 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.600 nice guy, always has been. Heck of a nice guy, 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.160 always has been. Well, you know what they said that 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.800 about Joseph DiAngelo, the Golden State Killer. In fact, he 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.920 had even been a cop. He was in Oxford, California. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.760 They said the same thing about the dog catcher, which 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:06.920 makes me suspicious that get go who wants to catch 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.400 dogs and put them to debt? Not me BTK buying, 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:15.199 torture kill. Dennis Rader, deacon at the church, freak, complete 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:19.480 total freak. After he would murder people in his community 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.880 on his dog catching route, he would then redress them 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.400 and put makeup on them and pose them. Let that 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.960 sink in. Everybody thought he was a nice, upstanding guy too. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:31.800 And of course I'm just going to go out on 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.040 a limb. Scott Peterson. And yes, I know there was 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:41.560 a cable TV entertainment program suggesting that Scott Peterson is innocent. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:46.960 He's not. He's guilty. He murdered Lacy and Connor. And 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.200 you can throw all the hate at me you want to, 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.880 but that is the truth. I was in the trial. 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.760 Were you bet you weren't. If you believe everything somebody 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.920 is paid to create to convince you to get rating, 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.640 you're barking up the wrong tree. So I'm gonna throw 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:12.280 Scott Peterson in there too. Crime stories with Nancy Grace 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:21.880 chilling comments come to light, comments made by double killer 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.120 Richard Allen. I wonder what all the trolls are gonna 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:28.280 have to say about this. Why would Richard Allen, after 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.720 the girls are murdered, and long before he's arrested, say 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.320 they're gonna pend this on me. They're gonna pend this 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.440 on me. I had a cigarette out there on the trail. 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.000 I was there that day. Why would you say all 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.520 that to your mom? The mom who, by the way, 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.120 kept it to herself for years, but when her son 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:49.080 was arrested, she recalled the strange conversation she actually told police. 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:54.480 We also learn that that conversation it stuck in her 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:58.360 mind to the point that years later she brought it up. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:03.640 Now many would argue that circumstantial evidence and that's not 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.480 enough for a conviction. But it's just more and more 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.160 brick in the wall. What more do we know about 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:15.360 the murders? David Yoder grew up with Richard Allen as 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.800 a child and was his neighbor for years and years. 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.400 And you just heard him say two Max, if my 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.720 children are in trouble, I tell him to run over there. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.480 That's how much he trusts trusted Richard Allen. David Yoder, 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.120 thank you for being with user. Okay, tell me, Davy Yoder, 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.560 don't leave anything out. What do you recall growing up 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.760 with Richard Allen? I grew up with a little girl 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.240 named Joy Jones. Connie Joy Jones lived across the street. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.680 They had four children, one was the same age of 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:49.160 each of us, and it was wonderful. Still friends after 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.120 all that time, she says. The first time she met me, 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:57.720 I came to her door unannounced or uninvited. They opened 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.240 the door and I said, Matt, please have Ticky. That's 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:06.520 how that friendship started. Tell me about Richard Allen, Well. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:10.040 He was a good kid growing up. I mean, never 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:14.280 in any trouble. They were a good family. His dad 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:20.360 is a friend of mine. Uh he uh, there's just 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:26.120 good people all around, good people. They're very smart people. 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.640 His Grandpaul was the principal at my grade school and 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:35.680 a teacher. Uh that there's just a good family all around, 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:41.440 good family, and I just a shock to think that rec. 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:45.640 Could do something like this. But it's just it's just 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:46.080 a shock. 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.600 Like I said, I would have sent my kids over 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:49.600 there to a safe. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.440 House, over to him if I had to, you know, 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.520 to go there if there was any problems and I 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:56.440 wasn't home or something. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.880 Well. I feel the same way about Connie Joey Jones. 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:03.160 If somebody told me Connie Joy Jones aka Joy Jones 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.080 committed a double murder much less on children, I'd say 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.880 no way. I'd go to court and go under oath 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.680 and talk about what a great person she was and 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:18.280 is and has been alone with my children, and I 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.240 would have her be alone with them again. I know 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:25.480 what you're saying. What is his character? You keep saying 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.520 a good guy? What do you mean by that? He 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:33.320 never once shotlifted, he never spent, he never took a 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:34.960 pack of gun from the store, nothing. 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:39.439 He always spoke, He was real nice, cordial, never disrespected me. 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.280 I mean, I'm older than he is several years. 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.439 He was better friends with his dad than him, But 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:49.880 I will growing up. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.440 How much older are you, Dan, Richard Allen, I'm fifty 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.520 eight and Alan is fifty right, Okay, eighteen years fifty, 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:02.479 so somewhere now when you say, good guy, How did 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.040 he do in school? Did he play a sport? 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:05.880 Not so much an athlete? 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.760 No, what did he do? I don't know just what 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:10.320 to school. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.760 I wasn't with him in school. His dad I was. 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:13.840 Is that who you're talking about? 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.520 No, I'm talking about Richard Allen. I'm not as interested 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:17.959 in his parents Richard. 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:19.879 I was out of school when Richard went to school. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.080 I mean, I was eighteen years old than he was. 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:23.840 He's young enough to be my kid. 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.560 And never a bit of trouble when he was growing up. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.760 That is, he brothers and sisters. He's got one sister. 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:31.360 Where does she live. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:32.440 I don't know. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:34.720 I lost track of her a long time ago. I mean, 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:39.920 and I have Richard too. He moved away from here. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:41.720 I just kind of lost track of him. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:47.760 Talking about Richard Allen, neighbors that actually grew up with 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.679 him saw him grow up as a child like David 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.040 Yoder or having a hard time taking in that he 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.640 is now charged with double murderer David Yoder. What did 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.919 you think when you learned that cops have arrested Richard 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.560 Allen for the murders of Abby and Libby first starting 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.840 on through my minders, No way, No Way, David Yoder 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:12.400 says he is absolutely shocked that a boy he knew 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.480 his entire childhood, all the way through growing up and 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.320 moving away as an adult, is responsible for such a 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:25.639 gruesome sex attack we believe, and double murder we believe 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.720 by knife. I don't know. I have to ask a 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.040 shrink Karen Stark about this, but the thought of putting 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:36.160 a knife to a little girl's throat is just it's 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.600 it's repulsive. I don't even want to think about it. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:44.520 But a little digging does reveal a tiny lip. Take 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.480 a listen to our friend Max at Fox fifty nine. 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:51.439 Alan has no criminal history, but Carol County Dispatch records 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.440 show he had one encounter with police in twenty fifteen. 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.399 The sheriff said it was a domestic issue where Allan 0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:59.800 was supposedly drunk and his wife took him to a 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:03.720 lit hospital. No law enforcement action was taken, but deputies 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.480 were sent to his del Phi home to quote, keep 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:07.360 the peace. 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.120 Okay, Max a little. So far, the cops haven't come 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.080 to our home to keep the peace, and nobody's been 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.679 carted off to the emergency room drunk as a skunk? 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.080 So what do we know about what happened? 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.200 They were providing a whole lot of clarification about that. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.320 You know, it sounds like there was you know, as 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.359 I said, there there was a domestic situation. When I 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.760 asked the shriff, who's the domestic station situation between he 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.879 wouldn't tell me. So, you know, I am a little 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.040 suspect of this, but you know that was But it's 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.840 also the only other thing I ever founded him. I mean, 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:42.600 you saw, I went to his hometown, looked through his 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.880 criminal background. That's the only thing we found about him. 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.600 And it did happen at three o'clock in the morning. 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.119 So you know, I'll leave that for you guys to 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.080 decide what you want to think about. 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.920 That, and I certainly will I certainly will dis say 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.879 that who is up causing a ruck as drunk as 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:03.919 a skunk at three am? That's not good to Fran Longwell, 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:08.159 former Deputy State's Attorney in Calvert County, former Assistant State's 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:15.199 Attorney and Prince George specializing and homicides and other related crimes. 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:16.960 Fran thank you for being with us. What do you 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.320 make of this prior arrest the prior arrest. 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.840 I think it shows in my opinion that he does 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.600 have some type of violence streak in him. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:27.359 But I kind of agree with you. 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.359 Nancy, that this didn't start from zero to what happened 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.480 to these little girls. I'm just concerned that we're going 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:36.560 to find other victims, or we're going to find other 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.000 other kids that have been abused by this guy. 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:41.520 Yeah, why are you saying that, Cheryl McCombe. What leads 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.080 you to that speculation? But by the way, I agree. 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.960 With you, Well, I mean, again, broad daylight, two victims 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.159 with other people around, a victim that clearly has a 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.000 cell phone, that is high risk. You're talking about somebody 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.119 on the bridge that's, you know, eighty feet behind the 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:02.199 air and has boards missing, and everything he did was 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:05.679 so risky. It tells me that ain't his first rodeo. 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:07.880 And I want to say one more thing. When I was. 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:10.040 Listening to the neighbors speak, and I think people need 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:12.760 to understand when you look at a case like this 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:16.879 and you're only thinking from your vantage point, you can't 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:18.200 possibly accept. 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.880 It or understand it. But when you talk to criminologists 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.919 like you and I, Nancy, we talked probably their throats 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:28.040 were slash, they were posed, they were staged. Things were 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.880 probably done there, whether it's a carving or some sort 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.760 of ritual if you look at it. If this was 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.159 my case, one of the first things I would do 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:39.119 is go to CBS and see if there's a camera 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:40.160 in the girls restaurant. 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.199 Well, that's funny you would say that, because after our 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.359 investigating a case in chief, the very next thing I 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.760 would do is start looking for similar transactions. But you 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:52.720 said it so much more descriptively than I did. Because 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:56.480 a crime like this that there has got to be 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:02.600 some prior not necessarily Scott Peterson type case where that 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:06.439 is a domestic homicide. He hasn't had another wife to 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:10.479