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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, and welcome to Off the Beat. If you're

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Speaker 2: wondering who this is speaking to you right now, well

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Speaker 2: it's me your host, Brian Bumgartner. Today, as you just heard,

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Speaker 2: I have a talented young actor on the podcast, Alex Newstetter. Well, okay,

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Speaker 2: Here He is my new best friend, Alex Newstetter. Bubble

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Speaker 2: Bubble and Squeak. I know Bubble and Squeak. I cook

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk to you today. I have to

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Speaker 1: Oh likewise, thank you. I've been a huge fan of

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: And it's hard to simulate even if you even if

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Speaker 1: I also think the industry is so like hurry up

437
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: and wait and it's and then when they're ready, it's like,

438
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: all right, now you have to go. And I feel

439
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: like in a lot of ways that's I always connected

440
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: it always with like sports and baseball, and like you said,

441
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: just being prepared for the moment and then when it's there,

442
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: you got to just let it go and go after it.

443
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: You played bram in Colony, fascinating show, a ton of

444
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: great press and acknowledgment on that. One of the things

445
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: that I found you. No, I don't I don't want

446
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: to get in trouble with anybody here, but I do

447
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: have to say I like science fiction, but I do

448
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: at times have a problem well, and I'll say science

449
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: fiction and horror at times, when you see the monster,

450
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: it's not quite as scary as what it could be

451
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: in your mind. This is just me, and I thought

452
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: that Colony did a fantastic job of making it feel

453
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: very very scary without too much seeing yeah, seeing the

454
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: monster that was that was in control. Talk to me

455
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: about that show. You you enjoyed your experience on that show.

456
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: I did. I. I think that show really taught me

457
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: a lot. I feel like the first season I was

458
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: pretty lost in terms of like what I was doing

459
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: and how to actually be a professional actor, Like I

460
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: learned really quickly, like TV is way different than film

461
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: and you only have two takes. Sometimes I was showing

462
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: up thinking it was, you know, going to be a

463
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: little bit more playful, experimental like try, and it was,

464
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, a machine. And I think the first season

465
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: really showed me that, Like when we got the second season,

466
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: I needed to have a totally different approach to what

467
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: I was doing and what I was coming in every

468
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: day with. I mean, the whole premise is I think

469
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: even now it's it's kind of crazily relatable in a

470
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: weird way, just everything kind of collapsing like so quickly,

471
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: and some of the parallels to just you know, all

472
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: the UFO activities that we're seeing now and all this

473
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: stuff that has so much so many parallels, you know,

474
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: And I think that was something that was really exciting

475
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: to be a part of and something that I'm fascinated with.

476
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: So I love that storyline and those plot lines. And

477
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: then I also loved the just the idea of like

478
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: what happens when you only have your family to rely on,

479
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: and the family it's so split, you know. I think

480
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: like there's you can make the reference politically nowadays with

481
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 1: people's household just being split on their own, you know.

482
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: And I think there's so many parallels that made that

483
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: show so great and relatable. And also I really liked

484
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: that they, like you said, just didn't show the Beast,

485
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: didn't show the aliens, like conjures up so much more

486
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: in your mind, and the mind is really what wanders,

487
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: and that's the fear that that gets you more more

488
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: likely than not. But yeah, I think it was just

489
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: a big learning experience for me that show.

490
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 2: So first off, it's not just television versus film, there

491
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: is a different perspective. But also for you your first real

492
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: experience working on a character over a progression of time,

493
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: which is very different. I can speak to it very clearly.

494
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: There are things about the character that have not been

495
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: written yet that continue to evolve and change your character

496
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: as you're working on it. Did you find that exciting

497
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: or was that difficult for you? It sounds like difficult

498
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: in season one and you started to figure some stuff out.

499
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: It was it was difficult, I did, yeah, because I

500
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: didn't know where it was going, and I didn't I

501
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: didn't I hadn't grasped the concept yet of fully creating

502
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: the character without knowing what the end was going to

503
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: be for that character, you know, because when you're on

504
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: a show, you have the whole script and you know

505
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: what the arc is or you kind of know where

506
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: it could be going or how you want to play that.

507
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: And when we were getting scripts like a week before

508
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: we could start filming, it was like, oh, there's this.

509
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: So I think in a way it was like discovery

510
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: on the fly, which made it really exciting. But also

511
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I was equipped enough, right. I just

512
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: don't feel like I in that first season I connected

513
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: enough that as I as much as I wanted to,

514
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, especially coming off like Ithaca and how I

515
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: felt connected to that, it felt like a totally different process.

516
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: But it was something that I really I think I

517
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: did pick up on quickly, and I learned best by

518
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: doing things and by like failing and learning from my failures.

519
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: So for me, that was that was kind of the

520
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: way I think I learned that on that show, especially

521
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: that first season.

522
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: Several more months ago, I had the pleasure of getting

523
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: to know and talking to on this podcast, Sarah Wayne

524
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 2: Kelly's who he's spent a lot of time with. She

525
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: is the best, right, What was your experience like? And again,

526
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: you know you're starting, you know, you're starting with Meg

527
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: Ryan and hanging around Sam Shephard and so forth, but

528
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: now you have an experience where you're spending multiple years

529
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: with a cast of actors. Just talk to me a

530
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: little bit about your experience working working with her A

531
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: real professional?

532
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what I learned, was how to

533
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: be a professional with watching her and Josh and Peter

534
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: and Tory and all the amazing actors on that show.

535
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: I think there's so much more material and watching day

536
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: in and day out, Like I just tried to be

537
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: a sponge as much as I could. I probably I

538
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: didn't say much the first season. I feel like I

539
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: think I was like scared and removed from everybody, and

540
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is crazy, and so I

541
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: was really just trying to watch what they were doing

542
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: and see how they carried themselves and how they interacted

543
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: and what their focus was. And I picked up on

544
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: her like rituals that she would have that would help her,

545
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: and I think that helped me develop my own process

546
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: and see what was working for me. And one time

547
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: in the first season that Josh specifically mentioned something to

548
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: me that really opened up my mind a bit, which

549
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: was I was giving a bunch of notes kind of

550
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: every take from one of our directors, and Josh came

551
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: up to me and he said, hey, man, like you

552
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. You know your character at this

553
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: point more than anybody, Like, you know, take take it,

554
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: but you don't have to bend everything if it's not

555
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: feeling right to you. And I feel like that was

556
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: something that was eye opening because it made me have

557
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: more confidence kind of in the character and in what

558
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: I was doing. And I think that's something I really

559
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: love I learned from them is they all knew what

560
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: they were doing, and they came in confident and they

561
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: didn't need five takes to get there. They needed one

562
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: or two and they were there. So, Yeah, she's she's amazing.

563
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: Always been super impressed with her. And then in the

564
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: third season she got she got to direct us, so

565
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: that was special too, and really cool to see how

566
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: that process worked and how hard she worked on that.

567
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: It is just inspiring that fire is still lit and

568
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: I love to see that.

569
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: Several other film and television appearances which then brought you

570
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: to American Rust. Now this wasn't your character, but I

571
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: got to tell you American Rust has been coming up,

572
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: and not just because by the way, which we're going

573
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: to talk about season two Broken Justice just out here

574
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: within the last month. Okay, before we talk about you there,

575
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: there's a scene in American Rust which is discussed in

576
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: or amongst my friend group, my family has been since.

577
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you've checked out Baby Reindeer yet,

578
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: there is a there is a scene you haven't seen

579
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: it yet. Okay, there's a scene in Baby Reindeer which

580
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: then now is making this this scene from American Rust

581
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: one of the most I don't even know what you call.

582
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: It chilling.

583
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: Awkward scenes in television ever, the lowing scene from American Rus.

584
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: I mean the way, the time that they took and

585
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: when they got there. Yeah, I don't even know. I

586
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: don't really have a question. I'm just telling it. It's

587
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: just talking. I just had to tell you that in

588
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: or around my friends and family group occasionally people low. Okay,

589
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that. I'm just saying that there is

590
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: there's a sound that happens, and everybody knows what we're

591
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: referring to. Go yeah, And I guess it kind of

592
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: doesn't get any more iconic than that. I mean that

593
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: it's sort of as simple as that, Yeah, you're gonna

594
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: if you're gonna low. And by the way, if you're

595
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: listening right now and you don't know what I'm referring to,

596
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: you don't even you might not even know what lowing means.

597
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: But once you see it, you never forget it.

598
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 3: Never.

599
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: I actually have a really funny story about Lowing, about

600
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: Lowing when we first read that script, because because we

601
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: were all living together, me David who plays Isaac, and

602
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: Julie who plays Lee, because COVID happened like two days

603
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: before we started the first season, and so we got

604
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: shut down and everyone, like I had just driven out

605
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: from LA, they had just come from New York, they

606
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: didn't have places to go back to. I didn't, you know,

607
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go back to LA. So we

608
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: stayed in Pittsburgh and hunkered down and we had just

609
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: kind of met, so we essentially started like just hanging

610
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: out and living together, and it was maybe a month

611
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: in that we got those scripts, which I think I

612
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: forget which episode it was, and we were like, let's

613
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: read the scripts.

614
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: I think it was like read it out loud together.

615
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just read it out loud together. We had

616
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: all the time in the world, you know, we were

617
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: just hanging out at that.

618
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: So the whole cast, not not the whole cast, but

619
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: just the three of you and you would read different

620
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 2: parts or whatever.

621
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would exactly like we would just read the

622
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: opposite parts right at the time. And yeah, so we

623
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: were reading the script and I remember it's me. I

624
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: was reading The business Man, okay, and we started reading

625
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: through it and I'm like looking back at Dave, I'm like,

626
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: what is going on? And we just had to stop

627
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: for a minute and like put our hands in our heads.

628
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: We're like, what is going on? This is the craziest

629
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: thing I've ever read. And uh, it was. It was

630
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: live to do that in real time, to see the reaction.

631
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: And but yeah, that's you were a part of it.

632
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: You were a part of the lowing. You you were

633
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: you were the first reader of the lowing exactly. Wow,

634
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: congratulations on that. I don't know if you'll ever beat that.

635
00:36:39,600 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, I mean, there is the lowing. Wow. So

636
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: you're in Pittsburgh. I'm done with the lowing now. I

637
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: just I had to tell you. It's just it's a thing.

638
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: It's like a thing. So you so you go out

639
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: to start COVID shuts everything down, now are they? And

640
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: I'm not getting into your your business. I'm just sort

641
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 2: of fascinated by it. So the other two folks, they've

642
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: given up their apartments in New York probably or they're

643
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: sub letting them. Yeah, and you've come from LA and

644
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: La is not a place to go back to. So

645
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: are they paying for you to stay there? Or you

646
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 2: guys are just now you're just three actors living in Pittsburgh.

647
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they paid for like half of it because

648
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: I had like an X amount that we were supposed

649
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: to get for the that would have covered the whole thing.

650
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: And then they're like, well, because all this happened, we

651
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: can only cover half of it essentially.

652
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 2: So of like your rent.

653
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: Rent Yeah, because I essentially signed like a six month

654
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: because I was going to be there for six months.

655
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: So David and I ended up staying for six months,

656
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: just in Pittsburgh during the beginning of COVID, and so

657
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: like we got like weirdly enough, we got all of

658
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: us got super close because it really felt like life

659
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: imitating art a bit. We started exploring Pittsburgh that like

660
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: there was no restaurants to really go to at that time,

661
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: so we were just we were like hunkered down really

662
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: like bonding, getting close and just like you know, figuring

663
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: things out. The coolest thing I'd say we did is

664
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: we snuck into the Pittsburgh Zoo multiple times.

665
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: It was closed, but you guys just snuck in.

666
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

667
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: So we went on this hike and where the hike

668
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: was it was kind of near our house. I was

669
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: like looking on my maps, I'm like, whoa, the zoo

670
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: is like just right up this hill. And we went

671
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: we started walking. There's like no fence. There's a tiny

672
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: little plastic fence or something that we just could push

673
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: down and hop over. And We're like, there's no encampment here,

674
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: like this is there's not lions that we're about to

675
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: walk into, right, And so at first it was like

676
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: very like a little intense, but I was there's no

677
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: way because a lion could have jumped over that little fence.

678
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: So I was like, we're good. And then we just

679
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: walked in and like, wow, there's no one here. There's

680
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: still animals. So we just started like perusing the zoo.

681
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: Were there zoo keepers there?

682
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: That there's one zoo keeper. And on our way back,

683
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: we're just walking and we're like, oh, there's a there's

684
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: a zoo keeper just like coming towards us and we're

685
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: walking and we just kind of like walked past him.

686
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: We're just like play cool, you know, just like we're

687
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: at the zoo. He's like, guys, where you go? What

688
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: are you doing? You can't be here? And we're like, oh,

689
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: are you guys closed? And he's like, yeah, you can't

690
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: be in the zoo or I know you guys missed

691
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: the animals, but like I understand, Like he was like

692
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: I understand why you're here, but yeah, it's really can't

693
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: be doing that. I'm gonna get in trouble. And we're like, oh, shoot,

694
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: we're so And this was like four hours into the

695
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: to your experience. Yeah, like we were like it was crazy.

696
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well not to like so that sounds like colony

697
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: or something like suddenly you're just there at an abandoned zoo.

698
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: You have one person who's taking care of the animals

699
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: and you guys are just hanging cause. I think that

700
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: I like a good zoo. Don't get me wrong. I

701
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: don't always love having to fight into the front of

702
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: the fence to be able to see what's going on

703
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: at the zoo. But to be able to sit and

704
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: hang out and just like watch the gorillas or whatever.

705
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 2: That sounds incredible.

706
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: It was, man, it really was. There was also a

707
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: section where it was a bunch of goats and you

708
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: had the you did. We were in the encampment with

709
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: all the goats and we're like, there's no one here.

710
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: This is the craziest. Like we were like hanging out

711
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: with the goat and they were they were so happy

712
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: because they hadn't seen anybody. It was, you know, they

713
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: were essentially an isolation to it felt like like so

714
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: we were like getting them wiled up and it was crazy.

715
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: There was maybe like half the animals were there, and yeah,

716
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: there was lions there. I feel like they looked a

717
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: lot like pretty sad actually, because there wasn't that interaction

718
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: with the people. Maybe like there wasn't They were just

719
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: kind of fully by themselves in these encampments.

720
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was a wild experience.

721
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's unbelievable. I love that. So you

722
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: would just go hang out the zoo, you were hanging

723
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 2: out with these and so then back to work. After

724
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: six months, you're still not filming, is that right? So

725
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: then you then you leave Pittsburgh.

726
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, then I leave and I drove back. I made

727
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: a big road trip out of it because I had

728
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: I got my dog. I brought my dog back to

729
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh with me during the middle of the pandemic just

730
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: because I needed the dogg Oh, and then I drove back,

731
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: made a road trip out of it. And that was

732
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: really amazing too, because at that time it hadn't gotten

733
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: crazy where everybody was road tripping and doing the parts

734
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: and all that, so it was still pretty empty.

735
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: So that was that was amazing.

736
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever heard this before or not,

737
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: but mister Rogers was filmed in Pittsburgh.

738
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that.

739
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't know that. Oh that was me. That

740
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: was me being a smart alec. Anytime you're in Pittsburgh,

741
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: they're like, did you know you're in the entertainment industry?

742
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: Mister Rogers was and I was like, oh, really, wow,

743
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 2: And then I think I've heard that ten thousand times

744
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: although you lived there six months and you didn't know,

745
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: so I should I should just shut it. I was

746
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: a big fan of the show. You get to work

747
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: with two of My Face where it's Jeff Daniels, Mara

748
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 2: Tyranny plays your mom, and then it's canceled, it goes away,

749
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: it's dead for like years. Yeah, and now it's back. So,

750
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: first off, how did it feel were you? Were you

751
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: happy with the show? Were you proud of the show?

752
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: I was, I think I mean, obviously I can always

753
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: nitpick my stuff to to death, but I was proud

754
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: of it. Ultimately. I think I think what we were

755
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: trying to go for and the story we were trying

756
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: to tell was really dark and and twisted. And I

757
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: mean it's based off the book the first season, and

758
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: I absolutely loved the book, and so I think, yeah,

759
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: I was.

760
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: I was really proud of it.

761
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 2: You know, I'm intentionally not trying to give it away

762
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: because if you haven't checked out season one of American Rust,

763
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 2: you should. And so it's over, and then you think

764
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: it's over, and then Amazon says, hey, let's let's go again.

765
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: Uh just released this month American Rust colon Broken Justice,

766
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: which is season two. How was it for you to

767
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: revisit Billy after after several years?

768
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was really exciting because it felt

769
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: like we had a big plot of story that needed

770
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: to still be unwinded and explained. And I think the

771
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: Wave season one ended, there was so many storylines that

772
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: hadn't been wrapped up yet that it just kind of

773
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: felt like we needed to wrap this and explain what happens.

774
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: And so it was.

775
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: It was a release. It was definitely a rollercoaster because

776
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: it got canceled and and you know, I was like, okay,

777
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: I can I'm going to move on to something else,

778
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to try and clear this out of

779
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: my cash, out of my brain and just like move

780
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: onward career wise. And then it gets real brought back

781
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: up and and I think it was cool to like

782
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: get back into that headspace and dive back into that

783
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: character and kind of see where the creators wanted to

784
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: take the storylines. I think they brought a bunch of

785
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: interesting ideas and things for me to work on and

786
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: play with. And PTSD was something that was really prevalent

787
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: for my character in this season and the physical ailments

788
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: and it's kind of how it juxtaposes the character in

789
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: the first season is really fun to play.

790
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: So now that's that's awesome and an incredible challenge to

791
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: essentially be playing the same guy but have it be very,

792
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: very different. Congratulations on that. I encourage everybody to go

793
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: check out O season one if you haven't. There's more

794
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 2: than one thing, but there's some things you don't want

795
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: to miss in season one, and then check out Broken Justice.

796
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: And now you got a big new project coming up.

797
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: It ends with us. You play alongside Blake Lively and

798
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni. How is it like working with them? Are

799
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: you excited about it?

800
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: I am really excited about it. So my character is

801
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: like the young version of Young Atlas, and so that's

802
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: who is like working with Blake, So I didn't Actually

803
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: I haven't even met Blake yet.

804
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 3: You haven't.

805
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't met Blake. So I just really

806
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: worked with Justin. You was our director as well as

807
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: you start stars in it, and it was just me

808
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: and Isabella Ferrara, who plays young Millie, and we did

809
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: it like right before the strike, and they actually told us, oh, sorry,

810
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to wait till after this, right right

811
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: before and we're like what, So they canceled and then

812
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: the next day the next morning, we're like, just kidding,

813
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: you're working on Monday. And so we had I was like, okay,

814
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: amazing to get to go. So we had two weeks

815
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: and that was kind of all my filming was.

816
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: It was two weeks for that.

817
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: Right before the strike, so we were really lucky to

818
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: do it before that happened. But it was really fun project.

819
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: I like, the book is is really.

820
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: Really Have you read Colleen Hoover's novel?

821
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's amazing. That was really part of the

822
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: A big part of the prep for me was I

823
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: needed to read that and see really what is going

824
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: on here, especially the young version which I was playing.

825
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: And I also was really fascinated with Maine. I hadn't

826
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: been to that part of the country. So I was

827
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: already in New York and I had my little tear

828
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: job trailer that I camp out of a lot, and

829
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: I just drove up and explored Maine in a kadia

830
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: and kind of just wanted to get a sense of

831
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: what that landscape was, the people, the energy. Never had

832
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: lobster before so out there never No, wasn't a big

833
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: fish guy Kansas. We don't have a lot of fresh fish.

834
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess that's true. Did you end up

835
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: bunking with some of your mates and hanging out for

836
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: six months in Maine during the strike like you did?

837
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: Coke sneak into a zoo there in Maine or a

838
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: marine biologist slayer anything?

839
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: No, nothing that exciting for me.

840
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: Damn been a good story, just so you know for

841
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: next time, Alex.

842
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: Another one.

843
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: Well that win is it out?

844
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: It's out? I think in August. I think August ninth,

845
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: maybe something around. They just changed it.

846
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: Oh, they just changed it. Yeah. You know, the strike

847
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: didn't help us in the movie business. I don't know

848
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: if you've heard that or not. It didn't.

849
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: It did.

850
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: It made things a little more up in the air

851
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: than normal.

852
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it did it.

853
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: Also, I feel like there was such a bottleneck of

854
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: things that needed to come out that they were like,

855
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: all right, we're just gonna hold off on creating anything

856
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: new for as long as we can.

857
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 2: Right, you're working on anything exciting now?

858
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: Right now? Project wise, it's back to auditioning. I got

859
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: some things that I'm I'm really interested in, so we'll see.

860
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: Hopefully I have good news soon. I've just been playing

861
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot of music lately and rock climbing and keeping

862
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: myself active with hobbies and trying to get better whatever

863
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: I can.

864
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: You are awesome one to watch, two, delightful to talk to.

865
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: I have been enjoyed you and everything I've seen you

866
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: in thus far. I can't wait for the new project.

867
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: And good luck and come back and chat anytime you're Alex.

868
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: You're good at this, man, this is this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: I love to chat with you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm good at it, but I

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Speaker 2: tell you what, I enjoy the hell out of it.

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Speaker 2: I really do. And having the opportunity to meet guys

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Speaker 2: and gals like you. That was a weird way to

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Speaker 2: say it. I really enjoy it. So thank you for

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Speaker 2: taking the time. And I hope everybody checks out season

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Speaker 2: two and then writes in about the lowing. All right,

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Speaker 2: all right, thanks man, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, man, I appreciate you, Alex.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on. Very very nice meet you

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Speaker 2: and getting to chat with you today. Also, I know

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Speaker 2: you're a big KC guy, So good luck to your

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Speaker 2: Chiefs this year. You got great things coming ahead in

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Speaker 2: your career, Alex, I just know it, So stop back anytime.

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Speaker 2: And to my listeners, well you have great stuff ahead too,

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Speaker 2: so you stop back anytime and check out American Rust,

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Speaker 2: Broken Justice now out on Amazon freeby next week. Well,

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Speaker 2: guess what if you come back here, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: deliver you something. I'm going to deliver you another fan

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Speaker 2: freaking fantastic episode with another well pretty stupendous guest. So

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Speaker 2: until then, have a great week.

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Speaker 1: Off.

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Speaker 2: The Beat is hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner,

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Speaker 2: alongside our executive producer Lang Lee. Our senior producer is

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Speaker 2: Diego Tapia. Our producers are Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and

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Speaker 2: Emily Carr. Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary, and

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Speaker 2: our intern is Ali Amir Sahim. Our theme song Bubble

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