1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Special Investigator Robert Mueller. His investigation into possible Trump campaign 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: collusion with Russia and also into possible obstruction of justice 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: appears to be moving quickly and aggressively. Mueller's office has 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: executed an early morning no knock search warrant at former 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort's home and appears to be 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: digging deeply into Manaforts business dealings over many years. According 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: to CNN, Mueller is looking at Manaforts business dealings go 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: back going back to two thousand and six. Meanwhile, The 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journals reported that Mueller's office has questioned Deputy 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Attorney General Rod Rosenstein about President Trump's firing of James 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: Comey as FBI director as the investigation heats up. Here 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: to talk with us about it are Jeff Kramer, a 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: managing director at the Berkeley Research Group, and Bradley Moss, 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: a partner at Mark's Aid PLC. Bradley they certainly seemed 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: to be focusing a lot in Robert Mueller's office on 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 1: Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign manage her. What does 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: this tell us about what Mueller is trying to do 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: as he moved the investigation forward? Absolutely so it's always 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: been kind of understood that there were two easy pieces 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: of low hanging fruit for mueller investigation. One was Paul 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: Manafort and one was Michael Flynn. Both of them had 22 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: legal exposure on issues that were separate from whatever may 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: or may not have happened in terms of the campaign 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: and the alleged collusion. But it gave First Director Coma 25 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: when he was running it. Now Robert Muller as he's 26 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: running it and into apply pressure and price and trying 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: to gain some leverage on these two senior level Trump 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: officials who would have obviously insight into what had gone 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: on during the campaign. And for Paul Manafort in particular 30 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: between the years of alleged issues between possible money laundry 31 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: and reporting obligations with respect to him being a foreign 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: agent for I believe a political party in Ukraine. It 33 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: all just it was all too easy for Robert Muller 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: to focus on him, Michael Flynn to an extent to 35 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: begin their potential prosecution. Jeff they picked, according to The 36 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: New York Times, the investigators the FBI picked the lock 37 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: on man of fororts home to get in, which means 38 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: they got a no knock warrant. What do you need 39 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: to convince a judge to give you a subpoena for 40 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: no knock warrant? Um? Yeah, I mean it's uh, it 41 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: is an extra hurdle. You basically have to show to 42 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: the judge that if you didn't have the no knock warrant, 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: that someone might be destroying evidence. Um, you don't see 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: it too much. You see it a lot in uh 45 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: in certain kind of violent crime cases, gang cases here 46 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: in Chicago, organized crime cases and the like. But they 47 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: clearly convinced a judge that if it was just a 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: regular search warrant h that evidence might be evidence might 49 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: be destroyed. So yeah, they picked a lock and apparently 50 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: woke up his wife. So it was very unusual, uh, 51 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: Mark the Bradley rather the The Times also reported that 52 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: they have the prosecutor is told Manaford that they were 53 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: going to indict him. Um, why would they do something 54 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: like that? Uh? Two possibles is one. It might just 55 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 1: be a ploy in the sense of trying to see 56 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: if they can intimidate and possibly guarantee the extent that 57 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: they can use that as a means of leverage to 58 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: get him to be more cooperative and to provide more information. 59 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: Of what is arguably the more pertinent and larger target, 60 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: which is whatever did or did not happen during the campaign. 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: And the other part is it's a standard tactic that 62 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: prosecutus will often use to kind of give potential criminal 63 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: defendants more or less a preview um in order they're 64 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: trying to get them to complete guilty and avoid the 65 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: necessary expense of the whole simial trial the law. Let's 66 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: give them a preview of here's what we expect to 67 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: be able to indicte you for into prosecuting and convict 68 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: you for. And he was what other episodes is going 69 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: to be. It's not really given the defendense anything they 70 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't ultimately go anyways, because it's the entitled to it 71 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: in the context of the trial. So it's either one 72 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: of those, we don't know enough which one it is, 73 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: or it's a combination of both. I think time will 74 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: talent see where exactly the Mueller was going here and 75 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: what he was planning to use leverage wise. With respectrum Manaphort, Jeff. 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: That raid came a day after Manafort was interviewed by 77 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: the staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Could some 78 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: of Mueller's aggressiveness. His team's aggressiveness be the result of 79 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: the multiple investigations in the Senate in the House that 80 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: might hurt his investigation. I think there there could be 81 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: something to that. I mean, this is a little bit 82 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: unique where you have an investigation, but you have several 83 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: bodies also looking at this. I don't want to say, 84 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, mudding the waters if you will um with 85 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: other witnesses. So well, I'm sure Director Mueller is somewhat 86 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: coordinating and knows what's going on with the other piece 87 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: of the investigation. It does make it a little tougher. 88 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean, if you had your druthers, if you were 89 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: a prosecutor or an investor FBI agent, you want to 90 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: keep these things clean. So that does make it does 91 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: make it harder. And therefore because it as a result, uh, 92 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: Director Mueller I think is going very hard and no 93 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: nonsense approach. I mean we saw that with the team 94 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: he has constructed, which Franks is one of the better 95 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: prosecutorial investigative teams going on in the country right now. Well, Brad, 96 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: what look at it from the other side, If you're 97 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: on the congressional side of this, one of the one 98 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: of the committees that's investigating. You see Mueller acting very 99 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: aggressively here, apparently trying to move very fast. Are you 100 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: more or less inclined to want to take your time 101 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: and let Mueller give Mueller space or do you want 102 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: to get your stuff into the into hearings more quickly. Well, 103 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's competing um institutional interests and congret 104 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: ends are in constitutional prerogatives. I mean, obviously Congress, even 105 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: in their most arrogant nature, wouldn't want to interfere in 106 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: getting the way of what Mr Mueller is doing. But 107 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: at the same time, they have their own prerogatives, they 108 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: have their own views on how this should be investigating, 109 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: and what they in their respective authorities and rights as 110 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: the heads of different committees in the Senate and the House, 111 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: should be allowed to investigate. And we've seen there's already 112 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: a little ruined fight possibly between Mr Mueller and the 113 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: Senate Judiciary Committee over whether or not um to high 114 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 1: level a FBI official to be allowed to testify before 115 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: Senate Judiciary without the circumstances of the firing of Director Combe. 116 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: So it's this is not unheardably seen this problem in 117 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: the past. It was most notably an issue during a 118 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: Roan contra. We're talking with Bradley Moss of Mark Zad 119 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: and Jeff Kramer of the Berkeley Research Group about the 120 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: investigation into possible Trump campaign collision with Russia and possible 121 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: instruction of justice being conducted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller 122 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: and his team of prosecutors. The Wall Street Journal reported 123 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: that those investigators have spoken with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, 124 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: who happens to be the official who over who appointed 125 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: and oversees Special Investigator Mueller because Attorney General Jeff Sessions 126 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: is recused from the Russia investigation. Jeff, it's a little 127 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: bit unusual to have investigators ask questions and you know, 128 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: interrogate the person who oversees their office, isn't it. Yes, 129 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, irony abounds on this one because as you say, 130 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: Uhdud roses eignd appointed Mueller and now Mueller and his 131 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: investigators are talking to him. But you'd have to, I mean, 132 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: if you're if the question is was the president's firing 133 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: of Jim Comey related all or is it a bullet 134 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: point in a prosecution for obstruction of justice? You have 135 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: to talk to the guy who wrote the memo upon 136 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: which the President said he relied. So it's a logical interview. 137 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: It's an interview that had to happen. But it's certainly 138 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: uh an odd one. Uh, certainly given the situation, Brad. 139 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: You spoke before about Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley saying 140 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: the Senate Council's preparing subpoenas for two FBI officials that 141 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: the d o J is preventing from being interviewed over 142 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: the COMI firing. How much strength do congressional subpoenas have 143 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: compared to those of Robert Mueller, let's say, and will 144 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: there be a fight over these subpoenas? Oh, they're there. 145 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: They go through a slightly different process that Congressional subpoenas 146 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: are different in the sense that if someone refuses to 147 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: comply with the congressional subpoena, then Congress has to actually 148 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: more or less go to the d o J to 149 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: enforce it and to seek criminal contempt um charges against 150 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: the individuals who declined it. Whereas of Robert Mueller issues 151 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: of subpoena, he is working out of the d J, 152 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: so he he doesn't have to go to that entire 153 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: bureaucratic process. He can more or less circumvent it. He 154 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: is the person who would see the charges. But I 155 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: think there will be a bunch way some type of 156 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: resolution behind the scenes, as the various inclustional UH players 157 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: kind of butt head in terms of these various UH 158 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: is the information we're going to copy fire? I think 159 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: right now just a lot of political posture. Well, Jeff, 160 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: one of the things though, I mean you mentioned irony. 161 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: It's it's a bit confusing sometimes when you have a 162 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: lot of you know, you have senated how's committees working, 163 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: you have the Attorney General confused recused, you have the 164 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: Deputy Attorney General appointing a special prosecutor. They're all racing 165 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: against each other to some degree to get information. And 166 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: if in fact, you know, how is it, you know, 167 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: how is it that somebody like Rosenstein ends up being 168 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: a witness in this but isn't recused himself from the investigation, 169 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: and then all would happen. Yeah, he might have to be. 170 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of ways this plays out, And 171 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: as you indicated, Uh, there's a lot of a lot 172 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: of cooks in this kitchen. If it does get to 173 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: the point where this is a couple of steps on 174 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: the line, Roseneside could be a witness and if they 175 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: think there's obstruction and legal minds different whether or not 176 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: that charge can be brought against the sitting president. But 177 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: let's put that to the side for a second. Um, 178 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: roses I would have to presumably recuse him self from 179 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: technically overseeing h. Mueller's investigation. Uh. And then we go 180 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: to the third person. Uh, and she's been in d 181 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: O J for a long period of time. But there 182 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: would have to be someone else appointed other than the 183 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: a G and the Deputy Attorney General. Uh. So that's 184 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, they say that's a few steps down the line, um, 185 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: but you know it's not out of the realm of possibility. 186 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: If again, charges can indeed be brought by the president 187 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: in the first instance, Brad, this very in aggressive investigation 188 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: of Mueller's almost scorched earth tactics in some instances. Are 189 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: there any downsides to this? Well, yes and no. I 190 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: mean the concern of going this hardness fast is that 191 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: there's going to be an accusation in the post of 192 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: the media by certain parties that he's on a mission 193 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: to find and purge traps and is not a mission 194 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: to find someone the prosion to justify his missing. On 195 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: the other hand, the part of the reason he is 196 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: it's like you're probably going this hard, this fast, because 197 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: the longer drags out, the longer he faces the problem 198 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: that kind of stars face during the Clinton years, which 199 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: is the investors just kept going and kept going and 200 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: kept going, and it became a political of atross and 201 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: its own right, and it seems like he was just 202 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: gonna go forever. I don't think that's what Robert Mueller's 203 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: trying to do. I think He's trying to get to 204 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: whatever the underlying facts are, what the prosecutions need to 205 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: be brought to bring and that's the end of it. 206 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: He wants to end it. So, Jeff, I mean, it's 207 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: probably impossible to figure out a timeline, but you know, 208 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: in about forty five seconds, do does it look like 209 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: Mueller might be moving towards indictments based on what we're 210 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: hearing now, I think you'd have to say yes. And 211 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: I agree with the statement that was just has just made. 212 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: Mueller has a reputation as being no nonsense. He's going 213 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: to go forward. It's either there or it's not. And 214 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: I think it's not to come full circle he is 215 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: going to the low hanging fruit with Manafort um, and 216 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: I think those charges are probably going to be brought. 217 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: It's pretty straightforward. If he made a certain amount of 218 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: money overseas and didn't declare that, or worked with certain 219 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: groups and didn't declare that, that's a viable charge independent 220 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: of anything going on in the White House. So I 221 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: think we are looking at charges relatively soon against Mr Manafort. Well, 222 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: our thanks to Brad Bradley Moss at Mark's Aid PLC 223 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: and Jeff Kramer, Managing director at the Berkeley Research Group, 224 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: for being on Bloomberg Laud Day to talk about Robert 225 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: Mueller's investigation into possible obstruction of justice and possible Trump 226 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: campaign collusion and who knows what else. Uh, We're gonna 227 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: be following this story obviously, and I'm sure it's not 228 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: the last time in Bloomberg Law we're going to be 229 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: talking about it.