WEBVTT - “IT’S NOT THAT BAD…YET” 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:06.840 All from Jonathan. Okay, Hello, Oh my goodness. I did 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.039 not expect to get out. How are you? 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:09.880 I'm doing good. What's your name? 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:12.080 John? 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:12.680 Jonathan? 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.840 Jonathan. Have have we ever spoken before? Jonathan? 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:17.959 No? We have not. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:20.040 Well, Jonathan, what's up? 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:20.200 Man? 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.200 How can I get you today? What's what's uh? What's 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:24.239 what's what's happening? 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.800 Yeah, it's Saturday. I'm just hanging around my house here. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.959 I wanted to talk about alcohol. 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:36.240 Go go ahead, man. 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.880 Yeah, it's very nerve wrecking to be on the call. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.120 But yeah, so I think I texted you a while 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:50.400 ago talking about like alcohol consumption. So I think I'm 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.519 just gonna spill my brain now. So it's something that's 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.560 kind of so. I've been drinking age for about seven 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.800 eight years. You know, I never really ran before the 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.240 age of twenty one, you know, like I know people 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.479 did it in high school and everything, but I kind 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.520 of had the upbringing where I didn't really know people 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:14.640 were actually doing that. So the first few times I 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.959 did actually drink, you know, I got super like nervous. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:23.800 But eventually I kind of start using it as like 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.000 an escape mechanism, you know what I mean, Like, oh, 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:29.520 like because before if I got like super if I 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.200 would get super stressed, for example, I was pretty good 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:37.520 at like just dealing with it and internally. But I 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.800 think what I noticed over the years is I kind 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.080 of used it as a stress response. I know that's 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:49.400 like not the best thing to do, but it's hard 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.480 not to. I think, like I'm not at the point 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.040 of getting sick or anything or like being an alcoholic, 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.960 so part of it is just like it's not that bad. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.400 I yeah, but you know what I mean, you don't 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:08.120 have to go to AA meetings. But I think there 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:14.559 are like you know, like if I'm like way stressed out, 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.000 it's an option, where like I think part of it 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.560 might be like it wasn't an option before, so because 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.480 it's like a very's a quick and easy way to 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:27.160 get something off your plate and kind of like get 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:28.600 out of your get out of your head for a bit. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.919 So I think that is so I know that sounds 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.600 really standard and everything, but I think the main thing 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.200 about it was it feels like I'm going down to 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:47.560 pass and like I spent kind of half today kind 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.880 of self talking to myself, like, oh, because I have 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.560 no alcohol in the house right now, and whenever I 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.040 have no alcohol in the house, I kind of think, 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:59.560 all right, it's up to you to not given to 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.359 buy more or you know what I mean, because if 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.400 I do have it in the house, I just just 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:10.200 keep drinking it and not really be self aware about like, oh, 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.079 you have worked tomorrow, you probably should calm down. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.960 You know, what are what are some of your triggers 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.399 to drink alcohol? What are some things you notice are 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:20.760 going on before you drink? 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:29.760 I would say boredom is a big one, or like 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.200 because I don't have a lot of friends, you know, 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:39.280 so boredom or oh I'm kind of lonely, let me 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.040 just do this, so like get out of my own 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:47.480 head about it. Yeah, So I would say those two things, 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.840 and I know, like like saying that like stress response, 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.560 like if there's like a stressful situation. I also do 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.760 some work. That's not really as much. It's more boredom. 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.760 I would say, like I've actually have work I have 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:04.320 to do. That's a good distraction, which is kind of weird. 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:09.000 It's more like on weekend, I don't have anything to do. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.800 Oh yeah, how am I gonna spend you know, It's like, oh, 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.080 I have limited free time? 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.240 What's that? What's that. I think I've said it before. 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.719 What's that phrase, idle hands belonged to the devil? It's true? 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:25.640 Yeah, yeah, I definitely. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.599 I mean, I you know, I'll talk to you about 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:29.800 this for a little bit. I don't want to talk 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:34.480 too much, only because I'm not a a. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:37.159 You know. 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.080 I mean, it's a well trodden topic, addiction. But I 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:50.080 guess he's like, yeah, yeah, I've been there before, where 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.320 like you're just very lonely and so you have nothing 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.760 to do, so why not just drink? Damn it. I 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:57.600 had a thought in my head that I that I 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.120 fucked up. All right, what's stopping you from from London 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.800 to go to AA because I feel like it's a 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.080 good place for you to find a community and just 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.600 like help, you know, find other people who uh deal 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:15.640 with the same issue. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:19.600 That's a good question. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:21.520 Is that bad? 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:21.800 Yes? 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.279 Maybe? I guess maybe in my mind I'm thinking like 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:27.520 it has to act like I have to get fired. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.160 I have to like, you know, get fired from my 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:31.360 job because of alcohol. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:36.680 Well, question of well, I don't like it's a question 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:38.520 of whether or not it's that bad. It's really just 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.760 a question of do you notice that it's a problem 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.040 in your life, like, is is your Is it something 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:47.960 you're worried about? It's something that's bothering you? 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.080 And if it is, yeah, no it is bothering me, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.080 it's really you. 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.279 Then it's something. If it's bothering you, then it's something 0:05:55.320 --> 0:06:00.320 that I think is worth you know, deal with. 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:06.880 Yeah, that's interesting, I guess, like because in my mind 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.880 I'm thinking, like, it's not that bad yet, so I 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.440 would be like wasting resources, you know what I mean 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:14.719 if I actually did do that. 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.359 No, you know, I don't think you're wasting resources. Yeah, 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.600 because because I guess. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:22.120 You just. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.119 I mean bad or not bad. It's like it's something 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.880 that you're trying to stop doing. And if it's something 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:35.480 you're trying to stop doing, then I think it's important 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.680 to look at the different triggers for it, right, like boredom, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.360 loneliness and go, Okay, how can I attack my boredom 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.360 and my loneliness in such a way that gets me 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.239 to stop drinking? 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:47.680 You know? 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.240 I mean I feel you, man, I have the same 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.400 thing when it comes to eating or getting higher or 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.200 a lot of these other things. And it's really hard. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.159 I'm I guys, sit here and say it's as easy 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.960 as fixing your loneliness issue, because it's a hard fucking 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:06.160 issue to fix. But I mean I would have you, 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.679 have you what what sort of steps have you taken 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.720 to try to you know, rain in your boredom and 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.840 your loneliness. 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.760 I guess I just try to keep myself occupied, like 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.040 with brainless hobby, so I end up like watching a 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:27.680 lot of YouTube videos and crap, like play video games. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:32.480 Onliness is something that I haven't actually made very big 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.200 attempts to like get over. And I think with that, 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.080 like that, like loneliness, I was not normally during college, 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.560 for example, because there are things to do in places 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:47.560 to meet people. So as an adult, I think I 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.400 just haven't found like a social group or something to 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:57.320 like actually go out and do that. So I don't know. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.440 I'm I'm also getting up in my age, so I 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.160 would feel kind of weird because I live in a 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.360 college town, so I would feel a little bit weird 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.680 trying to go to places. And then there's people who 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.640 are like eight years younger than me, and here's the 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.920 weird old coming to try to make friends with you, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.480 you know, So I think part of that is like 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:21.440 I'm afraid of clean up creepy in that regard, And 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.800 I know that's like an unreasonable like to say that loud. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.760 It sounds ridiculous, you know what I mean. But I 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:33.880 think it's an excuse I tell myself for whatever reason. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.640 But I think that's like, yeah, I guess maybe it's 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.520 just a lot of excuses and I'm not trying to 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:46.480 have like a whate is me kind of bit. You know, 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.360 there's that Norm McDonald joke where it's like, oh, you 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.600 have these bad diseases. My disease is that I drink 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:58.680 a lot. I'm an alcoholic, you know. So, so I 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.079 guess like that goes back to like that oh, it's 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.040 not a real problem yet kind of thing. But I 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:09.360 guess you mentioning, hey, man, you should friend support, I guess. 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:09.839 But like. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:19.240 I guess like when you do seek support, maybe it's like, oh, 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.439 you're you're not bad enough to get support. I guess 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.040 have you ever felt that before? Yeah, of course, how 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.959 do you like, how do you get over that? 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:27.320 Cause? 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.959 But yeah, I think that's I think that actually is 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.080 a common thing. But it's kind of interesting because like 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.120 you'll go to you know whatever, Maybe you go to 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.280 a meeting and you're like Okay, well I'm not as 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.440 bad as these folks, and maybe maybe that's helpful in 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:47.160 some way, but I just don't wait. I think the 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.199 idea of like let me wait until things are horrible 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:55.040 to address the issue is it is bad, you know 0:09:55.080 --> 0:10:00.319 what I mean, like, and as you're aware of it, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.200 like I mean, try try your best to to mitigate it. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.800 And I just sincerely, man, I wish I could be 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.920 of more help to you right now. This is a 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:15.000 problem I'm having doing this podcast lately. Is like, dude, 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:19.040 like deal like making friends as an adult and uh, 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.960 dealing with loneliness and boredom to not do your negative behaviors. 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:27.080 Like I I I fucking don't know, bro, It's it's 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.680 really hard. It's really goddamn hard. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:30.240 Yeah. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.640 Yeah, yeah it is. It's really hard. But you gotta 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.000 I don't this. I can't just I can't sit here 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.120 and lecture you on how to do it because I 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:43.920 don't fucking know how. But like it's just it's just 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.960 what you gotta you gotta do. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.200 You know, Yeah, I guess like drawing parallels between like 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.480 other types of behavior, yeah, you know, it's like, oh, 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.920 you're not the only one feeling crazy. I guess that's 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:56.640 I guess that's. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.439 No, you're not dealing. Life is in. Life is crazy. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.120 Everyone around you is feeling crazy and it's your I guess. 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:10.120 Just like thing you gotta figure out, you know. So yeah, dude, 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.760 like best of luck, Like whatever it is that you 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:17.120 can find that keeps you occupied so that you're not 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:21.280 getting drunk all the time, Like never, never give up 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.800 trying to find it, Like go do eight million different 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:28.880 things until you find it. Go take a fucking archery 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.920 glass and be like, all right instead of getting drunk, 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.880 I'm gonna shoot a bow and arrow, like just anything 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.000 that you can do to be out of your house 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.160 around other people and not getting fucked up. 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.679 Yeah yeah, maybe that's maybe, Like because I don't really 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.560 have a reason to leave my house because I don't 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.600 do anything right, you know, I don't have any like 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.200 concrete hobbyists or anything. 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.760 So right, just leave your house, man, Like I mean, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:58.120 what day? 0:11:58.160 --> 0:11:58.240 What? 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.319 Today's Saturday? 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:01.240 Yeah? 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.240 What are you doing? What time is it where you are? 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.800 It's almost six six? 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.160 What's going on on a Saturday? Dude? Just any I 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:16.040 swear to God, just anything, like go for a walk 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:17.920 around your neighbor, what city you live in. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.199 I live in Columbus, Ohio. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.280 You live in Columbus, Ohio. You just had to make 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.040 this more difficult. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.840 Yeah, there's nothing to do here. Yeah, I guess I 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.880 could walk outside. And that's actually you could walk outside. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.400 You could walk outside. It sounds crazy, no, because here's 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.840 the thing is, it's it kind of even comes back 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.520 to this thing of like, well, it's not that bad, 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.960 so I shouldn't get help, right are you? You're you know, 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.320 you're like you'll discount just walking outside. You could walk 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.000 even in goddamn Columbus, Ohio. You could just go take 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.800 an hour walk around your fucking neighborhood and that's better. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.400 Even though it's like, oh, that's not even really anything, 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.520 it's like it is something. It's better than you're outside 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.080 of your house, you're looking at stuff you're not getting. 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.640 Yeah, you know that's good. I guess like with walking, 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.200 that's like a something. I have tried walking before, and 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.720 I think, just to put it out loud to make 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:21.160 myself more self aware. Sometimes I do something that's healthy 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.800 and then I'm like, wow, I did something healthy. Time 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:27.600 to reward myself, you know, So I guess that's something 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.760 I have to be self aware about just to say 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:34.520 that out loud. Sure, but hey, let's maybe I just 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:35.400 gotta do that, you know. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.800 Sure, well I guess, like I. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.320 Don't know, just talking about it is helpful to be honest, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:41.559 you know. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:51.240 Yeah, yeah, I dude, I really would just like go 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.800 make just like sit down on your notesap or something, 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.840 make a list of like as many things as you 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.440 can possibly think of. That would be nice and good 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:04.160 to do. I don't know, Man, they got they got, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:09.439 they got pickleball leagues in Columbus, Ohio. They have concerts 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.560 in Columbus, Ohio. They have I know, you can meme 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.480 on Columbus, Ohio endlessly, but they have, they have stuff, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.160 they have people doing things. Just come up with a 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.960 list of like as many things as possible and just 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:26.920 don't stop trying to get out of the house, and 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:28.280 then let me know if that works. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:36.160 Okay, Yeah, that's a good idea, making a list. Yeah, 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.120 because just saying I need to do something isn't very helpful. 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.560 I need to get concrete about it. Yeah yeah, m 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.120 h yeah, good advice. 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.120 And this is good. This is good that you're at 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.360 least trying to work on this and instead of I 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.520 think the Yeah, I just the idea of let me 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.440 wait until my life is in complete ruins to It's like, 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.080 look if it's like it's like it's like the gas 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.240 light is on in your car and you're saying, well, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.520 let me wait until the car completely runs out of 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.680 gas and I'm stranded on the highway for me to 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.320 you know, fill my tank up with Yeah. 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.920 Yeah, And I think that's really good. I think the 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:18.600 softwareness is good. I think sometimes they do get into like, 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.840 oh you know, oh fuck it, I'm gonna die anyway, 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.040 I might as well just do things. You know, there's 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:31.920 a whole there's a whole attitude that sometimes yeah, yeah. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.400 Yeah, And I don't have I really like I wish 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.160 I had. I wish I had an answer for to 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.480 you for that, because I mean, goddamn, yesterday I was 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.760 eating I mean, yeah, dude, I really wish i'd answer 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.040 this because goddamn, like yesterday, I'm eating a whole pizza 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.560 and going crazy because I'm like, yeah, the same thing 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.080 you're talking about, like why does anything matter? I'm getting 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:52.480 existential about things. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.400 Yeah, And I. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.680 Like why I should you give a ship about not 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.520 getting drunk and why should you try to do things 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:06.760 with your life. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:13.120 Uh yeah, but like that does happen? 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.400 Yeah, I mean yes, but you have like it's it's 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:20.720 your I guess it's your like responsibility as a human 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.720 being to like come up with your own answer to 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:23.320 that question. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.240 That's true. Yeah, yeah, And if. 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.920 You think hard enough about it, as I'm in this 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:37.120 moment optimistic for you, you'll come up with something. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:45.680 Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah, I think she's optimism. 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.960 Even I'm optimistic for you, even though you live in Columbus, Ohio. 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:52.600 Yeah. 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:58.080 Yeah, what's your what's your name again, Jonathan? Jonathan? Is 0:16:58.080 --> 0:16:59.560 is there anything else you want to say about any 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.080 of this or say at all before it before we go? 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:11.680 Thank you for doing the show. Seriously, A lot of 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:12.639 people are big fans. 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:13.320 Thanks ma. 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.960 I'm gonna come to your life show eventually, but seriously, 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.639 thank you for doing the show. It's a great comfort. 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.600 Thanks man, and thanks for taking the call. I really 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:24.480 did not expect you. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.199 To pick up go join a fucking laser tag. I 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.520 bet they have. I bet there's a laser I'm serious, 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:36.320 I bet there's a Laser Tag league like dumb shit 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.240 like dude, I'm talking like dumb ass ship where You're like, 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.199 there's no way something like that exists, and then you 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.560 go online and it exists. Like, go join a fucking 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.560 laser tag league in Columbus, Ohio. Somebody listening to this 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:52.440 podcast right now is in a laser tag league in Columbus, Ohio, 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.320 or knows somebody in a laser tag league. So I 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.239 bet that exists. I swap. Please go on Google and 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:02.680 search for laser tag League Columbus. Just like dumb fucking shit, 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:04.560 just anything, you know, just anything. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:11.760 Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, no, okay, I think I'll take 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.919 a look into that. Oh man, cool. Well, thank you 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:16.639 so much, Lyle. 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.120 Take care of jo and good luck, good luck, Thank 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:24.120 you so much. By I like that guy. I'm I'm 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.000 with him, dude, I'm with him. I get it. I 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:31.159 mean I am. So you know, I'm touring a lot lately, 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.800 and I've been touring a lot for the past like 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.359 year and a half two years, and it's been really 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.840 great because it keeps me uh out out of the 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.919 house and occupied and not idle. And then what happens 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.680 is I'll go I'll have like a week or two 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:51.760 weeks or three weeks or a month or so off 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:56.879 of doing my shows, and I'll be at home and 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.440 I'll be like, oh no, now I have nothing to do, 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.600 and I'm I'm kind of paralyzed. And that's kind of when, 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.840 you know, for me, the the existential thoughts come in 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.520 of like, well, why the fuck should I not you know, uh, 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.639 do X y Z destructive behavior? Because I'm gonna die anyway, 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.440 and who gives a shit? Why should I care about 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.600 making my life better? Why should I care about this 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.560 and that? And you know that's why I that's why 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.200 for me it was hard to talk to Jonathan just 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.280 now because I have those same thoughts and I haven't 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.320 figured out exactly I have. I have like in theory 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:36.360 how I'm gonna deal with those thoughts, but I don't 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.920 have in concrete like practice of how to fucking deal 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:44.760 with them. But but in that theory, it's it's those things. 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:48.639 It's like, well don't I just you know, join a 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:54.200 laser tag league or some other things like why don't 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.399 I just keep trying to figure out different ways to 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.199 get out of my house and go do things so 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.879 that I'm not going insane and eating horridbo sour gummy 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:09.720 Cola bottles, which are the best candy. So yeah, good luck, Jonathan. 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:11.760 Let me know if you figure something out, and I'm 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.600 gonna do I'm gonna search that up. I live in 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:19.840 a major city. I bet they have laser tag leagues. Also, 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.200 leaving your house costs a lot of money. I guess 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.760 that's why walking is good, right, because it's free to 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.399 just walk around and it's good. And I met what 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.600 I said to Jonathan because I was having these existential 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.000 crazy thoughts last night, and what I do. I just 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:39.080 walked for two hours. You can do that, isn't that crazy? 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:40.840 You can just if you if you ever look like 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.600 next time you're on the internet and you see a 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.240 tweet that pisces you off or something like that, or 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.960 a real or you can if at any time, you 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:55.119 can just put your phone on, fucking power it off 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:57.520 and just go outside and walk for two hours. You 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.600 can just do that. Any thought's available to you. It's 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:05.719 free to just do that, and it's nice. It's really nice. 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.600 I don't know I'm rambling right now, but uh yeah, 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.439 that that that call it made me emotional because it 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:19.920 taps into you know, ship that that feels very real. 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:24.240 So I hope we get a callback from Jonathan uh 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:28.639 where he's the He's the king of the Ohio laser 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:33.959 tags scene. All right, thanks for calling attention listeners of 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:38.200 the Therapy Gecko podcast. I have new tour dates on 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.520 sale right now at therapy geckotour dot com. If you're 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.159 a regular listener of this podcast but you haven't been 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.000 to one of my live shows before, you should come out. 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:48.160 Man. 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.639 It's it's a fun time. 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