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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys APT now Here are Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: Well two out of three ain't bad. No Everson Walls today,
Speaker 3: but we will be joined in just a little bit
Speaker 3: by someone from his era, the great Danny White on
Speaker 3: this edition of mix Shots. As we are now less
Speaker 3: than three weeks, in fact, two and a half weeks
Speaker 3: away from NFL Draft Day, and Mickey, you would not
Speaker 3: leave how much I have filled up my big green
Speaker 3: NFL Draft scouting notebook in the last week. There's all
Speaker 3: sorts of scribbles all over this book right now.
Speaker 4: So do you have like five pages of potential backup core?
Speaker 5: That's where I started, That's at the very beginning.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 3: In fact, I've been pages are coming out on the notebook.
Speaker 3: I've been perusing these backup quarterback prospects.
Speaker 6: Very nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but wait a second, I thought the Cowboys had
Speaker 3: their backup quarterback since the last time we convened they
Speaker 3: acquired Joe Milton.
Speaker 6: Did they acquire them before. Last time we talked about
Speaker 6: him last night, I can't remember.
Speaker 5: It was like Tuesday or Wednesday.
Speaker 6: Well, but we did Monday.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. We haven't talked about Joe Milton.
Speaker 6: I thought you said we talked.
Speaker 3: About No, we haven't talked about Joe Milton. By the way,
Speaker 3: before we get into Joe Milton any White, we're going
Speaker 3: to have him on in the second segment, and he
Speaker 3: and his daughter, Heather, Joe have written a book called
Speaker 3: Spotlights and Shadows, and I read it last night late
Speaker 3: after I got home from work.
Speaker 5: I love the book.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to talk to him and it's it's
Speaker 3: not there is football in it, but it's basically a
Speaker 3: book of life lessons and I can't wait to hear
Speaker 3: Danny talking about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, when I ran into him
Speaker 4: a year ago when he was the it was the
Speaker 4: Quarterback Award in fort Worthvy O'Brien award. He was the
Speaker 4: I guess they bring in a form of legend, relegend
Speaker 4: or whatever, and he was there and his daughter was
Speaker 4: with him, and they were talking to me about it
Speaker 4: and they asked, they said, can we send you kind
Speaker 4: of a pre publishing book to read and let me
Speaker 4: know what you think and if you have any suggestions.
Speaker 4: And so I hurried up and read it, and you know,
Speaker 4: it was fine, and I kind of congratulated him on
Speaker 4: what they did, gave him a few suggestions, and then
Speaker 4: I had already read it, and I said, all right,
Speaker 4: well when it comes out when we're in training camp.
Speaker 6: Then we'll get him on.
Speaker 4: Well, one thing leads to another and we get busy
Speaker 4: doing what we do, and I never got around to
Speaker 4: doing it, so I thought, Okay, now's a good time.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it'll be interesting to hear why he did
Speaker 4: it and how they did it.
Speaker 3: Too, and really good stuff, especially for those of us
Speaker 3: who followed the Cowboys Cowboys fans back in the seventies
Speaker 3: and eighties and have had a ton of respect for
Speaker 3: Danny White over the years.
Speaker 6: All Right, speaking of quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: Okay, so we jump right in on Joe Milton.
Speaker 3: What do you make of the acquisition of Joe Milton,
Speaker 3: a Cowboys roster that of course has Dak Prescott. It's
Speaker 3: out there on the practice field in the rehab group
Speaker 3: throughout this offseason and looks good. And you got Will
Speaker 3: Greer who was acquired reacquired late season, and now you
Speaker 3: add Joe Milton to the mix.
Speaker 4: So here's the way I look at it. The Cowboys
Speaker 4: were going to use, or at least we were projecting
Speaker 4: that they would use a third day draft choice on
Speaker 4: a young quarterback that they could groom to potentially be
Speaker 4: a backup of the future, sort of in the vein
Speaker 4: of when they drafted Dak Prescott in twenty sixteen. Their
Speaker 4: idea was, Okay, we're going to use our second fourth
Speaker 4: round pick on maybe the backup of the future, not immediately,
Speaker 4: but the backup of the future to Tony Romo. And
Speaker 4: so basically what they did this year was, instead of
Speaker 4: using a fifth, sixth, or seventh round pick on a quarterback,
Speaker 4: they used the fifth to trade for Joe Milton, the third,
Speaker 4: a former sixth round pick of the Patriots. And so
Speaker 4: that's what they That's how they drafted their quarterback with
Speaker 4: a year of experience. Now I thought everybody needed to
Speaker 4: ap breaks a little bit, because immediately the Cowboys have
Speaker 4: acquired their backup quarterback for this season. I don't think
Speaker 4: they look at it that way necessarily.
Speaker 5: Right, he can come in and compete for it.
Speaker 6: He can compete for it.
Speaker 4: He's got to compete with Will Greer, so he could
Speaker 4: compete for the backup job.
Speaker 6: He could be competing.
Speaker 4: For the third quarterback position on the roster. And I
Speaker 4: was told this does not preclude them signing a veteran
Speaker 4: quarterback who's out there.
Speaker 3: I think it's likely right they will, and I don't
Speaker 3: in as far, I don't think it changes anything as
Speaker 3: far as the acquisition of a quarterback, whether it's in
Speaker 3: the draft and or free agency. The Patriots gave him away,
Speaker 3: right basically. I mean, that's what I don't understand about it,
Speaker 3: especially with the potential that Joe Milton showed in the
Speaker 3: one game that he did play, which was against a
Speaker 3: lot of Bills backups in the last week of the
Speaker 3: regular season because the Bills did not need to win
Speaker 3: that game. I went back and watch the game Drake
Speaker 3: May played the first series. It was very, very cold,
Speaker 3: it appeared that day when they played Buffalo.
Speaker 6: So the Bills were less than enthused to play.
Speaker 3: There, and they were protecting players because everything was locked
Speaker 3: up for them as far as the division and their
Speaker 3: seating goes. And he looked in Milton, you've seen the stats.
Speaker 3: He looked good. Okay. The issue with Joe Milton is
Speaker 3: that he when you look at his stats going back
Speaker 3: to college, over the last seven years, he has not
Speaker 3: played a lot of football. This is going back to
Speaker 3: his first year at Michigan in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6: I mean he familiar.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's he has literally thrown over the last seven
Speaker 3: years out one hundred and fifty two hundred more passes
Speaker 3: in games than what Trey Lance has the last seven years.
Speaker 3: And so that's I agree, tap the brakes on that now.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great move for the Cowboys to
Speaker 3: bring him in, but I just I'm just scratching my
Speaker 3: head with the Patriots. This is a guy with three
Speaker 3: years left on a contract that pays him nothing a
Speaker 3: million dollars a year, not.
Speaker 4: Even I think what he's costing the Cowboys base salary
Speaker 4: is nine hundred and sixty ten thousand.
Speaker 3: You're giving him up to move up forty six spots
Speaker 3: on the last half of the third day of the draft.
Speaker 3: You're giving him up to move up from number two
Speaker 3: seventeen to one seventy one because they they're getting the
Speaker 3: Cowboys are getting the Patriots' first seventh round pick as well.
Speaker 3: As and the Cowboys are giving up a fifth You're
Speaker 3: they're moving the Cowboys are moving down forty six spots
Speaker 3: and get Joe Milton. Yes, well that's a no brain,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't change anything else. In fact, I would
Speaker 3: take it a step further on this draft, and I
Speaker 3: think that the only way that the Cowboys would take
Speaker 3: a quarterback in the top one hundred picks is if
Speaker 3: they trade down and pick up an extra pick, like
Speaker 3: trade down in the first round and pick up at
Speaker 3: least I'm saying you could if you really like a
Speaker 3: quarterback who's still there even in the second or third round,
Speaker 3: if you really like him, okay, and you think he
Speaker 3: can be an eventual starter four years from now for
Speaker 3: you and in the meantime back up Dak Prescott, you
Speaker 3: can do that if you acquire another top one hundred pick, right,
Speaker 3: And that's the only scenario I can think of that
Speaker 3: the Cowboys would would pull the trigger on something like that,
Speaker 3: and they would really have to like that quarterback. But
Speaker 3: they're still in the market definitely for a third day
Speaker 3: quarterback regardless, and without a fourth round pick, that would
Speaker 3: be fifth round, sixth round, whatever. But that's no knock
Speaker 3: on Joe Milton. I mean the Patriots were giving him away.
Speaker 3: And what the Patriots did. They have Drake May obviously,
Speaker 3: but they signed Joshua Dobbs, who has a history with
Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel at Tennessee and he might, you know, Joshua
Speaker 3: Dobbs might be the brightest person in the league.
Speaker 6: He's a rocket scientist.
Speaker 3: So he was going to be their backup quarterback. But
Speaker 3: the problem with Joe Milton is he does not have
Speaker 3: enough snaps. He has not played enough football for him
Speaker 3: to say, if Dak Prescott got hurt the first.
Speaker 5: Game of the season, Joe Milton's going.
Speaker 3: To be be able to go in there with that
Speaker 3: limited experience and do what Cooper Rush did.
Speaker 4: You caught lightning in a bottle with Dak that same scenario,
Speaker 4: because that was not the plan.
Speaker 3: But Dak had so much more experience in college. Joe
Speaker 3: Milton starting starting experience in college at Mississippi State. I mean,
Speaker 3: he got Mississippi State all the way to number one
Speaker 3: in the country playing in the SEC. Joe Milton spent
Speaker 3: three years at Michigan as a backup, two years at
Speaker 3: Tennessee as a backup, and finally, in his sixty year
Speaker 3: of college, got on the field and look decent enough
Speaker 3: to be a sixth round draft pick.
Speaker 4: So that was my point, because if I had heard
Speaker 4: it one more time or seen it written, the Cowboys
Speaker 4: just traded for their backup quarterback. No, they traded for
Speaker 4: a candidate to possibly become because, as Bill said, the
Speaker 4: day tomorrow Dack's out, you're going to put this guy
Speaker 4: in there with one game of NFL experience and say, okay,
Speaker 4: save the season.
Speaker 3: And having said all of that, Joe Milton might come
Speaker 3: in here next week when they start off season, brokouts
Speaker 3: and hit the ground running. And there's no quote he
Speaker 3: could pull a Dak Prescott and be the backup quarterback
Speaker 3: without and when over whoever else they bring in here,
Speaker 3: and the Cowboys hope that happens. But there's a reason
Speaker 3: that the Patriots gave up on him after one year,
Speaker 3: with where they could have had him as a backup
Speaker 3: to Drake May for the next three years, and the
Speaker 3: fact that no other team in the league. Now apparently
Speaker 3: the Patriots are saying that they did Milton a solid
Speaker 3: and send him to a place that he wanted to
Speaker 3: go and had better offers on the table. But even yeah,
Speaker 3: I rolled my eyes at that too. But clearly the
Speaker 3: market was not great for Joe Milton looking at what
Speaker 3: the Patriots got back for.
Speaker 4: You know, it was funny because when this happened, I
Speaker 4: made a list, like I think it was maybe on
Speaker 4: Thursday of veteran quarterback that are backup types.
Speaker 6: That were available still in free agency.
Speaker 4: By Friday afternoon, I had to scratch two of them
Speaker 4: off the list already because the Chargers ended up signing
Speaker 4: Trey Lance to a one year deal.
Speaker 6: How about that? Up to six point two million?
Speaker 5: Okay? How about that? How about this? What would the
Speaker 5: reaction have been? Okay?
Speaker 3: You you talked about the reaction by the Cowboys trade
Speaker 3: Joe Milton. Yeah, okay, and there's excitement, Okay, what would
Speaker 3: the reaction have been from most of the fans out
Speaker 3: there if the Cowboys had re signed Tree Lance?
Speaker 6: Right? Oh? What are we doing?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 6: And a lot of that already wasted six million dollars.
Speaker 3: And a lot of that has to do with the
Speaker 3: fact that Trey Lance was the third pick in the
Speaker 3: draft and is considered a draft bust and this guy
Speaker 3: and Joe Milton is a sixth rounder. And but if
Speaker 3: you look at their resumes, there's no In fact, the game,
Speaker 3: the one game that both of them played last year,
Speaker 3: in the final game of the regular season, it is
Speaker 3: very similar what both of them did statistically in that
Speaker 3: in those games against playoff boundte right exactly.
Speaker 4: So I had to I scratched Trey lance Off. I
Speaker 4: had to sketch scratch off case Keenum because he ended
Speaker 4: up signing. So my list ended up with Josh Johnson,
Speaker 4: c J. Bethard Ian Book, Desmond Ritter, Joe Flacco, Easton Stick,
Speaker 4: Carson Wentz.
Speaker 6: And my favorite one true.
Speaker 4: Locke And we're talking a guy that was very successful
Speaker 4: in college. Uh, never really got a clear shot at
Speaker 4: a chance to start in the NFL, not with Denver,
Speaker 4: not with Seattle. He was the backup what last year
Speaker 4: in with the Giants, believe, and he's available. And I
Speaker 4: think what the Cowboys are doing with this kind of
Speaker 4: list of veteran backups is they're waiting for the price to.
Speaker 5: Come down, or they're also or they're waiting for after the.
Speaker 6: Draft, right and see what they can do in the draft.
Speaker 3: And say what they can do in the draft. The
Speaker 3: other thing that happens after the draft, and the same
Speaker 3: thing happened with the Zeke Elliot signing last year. Then
Speaker 3: you sign an unrestricted free agent and it doesn't count
Speaker 3: against your compensatory picks for the following year exactly.
Speaker 4: And these guys who are probably looking for the best
Speaker 4: deal available will wake up on May first and go, huh,
Speaker 4: many camps are starting and I don't have a job,
Speaker 4: so I better sign somewhere.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I'll throw another name out there. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you mentioned CJ. Bethard, Yes, I did, okay, And Bethard
Speaker 3: has a history with Shot with Shottheimer, and he could
Speaker 3: be a veteran guy that comes in here and that
Speaker 3: would be competition.
Speaker 5: Whatever.
Speaker 3: Here's a guy who has started games in the league,
Speaker 3: and then we see how it pans out throughout the
Speaker 3: offseason and training camp.
Speaker 4: Now and then there were I heard and then the
Speaker 4: people that, you know, whatever the Cowboys do, there's going
Speaker 4: to be a negative reaction like they don't know what
Speaker 4: they're doing. So this is well, this is the same
Speaker 4: thing with Trey Lance. They brought Trey Lance in Da DA.
Speaker 4: This guy has has an advantage because he's going to
Speaker 4: be here for the off season for the OTAs. He's
Speaker 4: going to be here for training camp, and he's going
Speaker 4: to be here for preseason games. If you remember, Trey
Speaker 4: Lance got here the week before the season started and
Speaker 4: had none of that pre experience with the team, with
Speaker 4: the offense, with the offensive system.
Speaker 6: So at least this.
Speaker 4: Guy doesn't have one hand tied behind his back learning
Speaker 4: things in the off season.
Speaker 5: All right, very good. Now, what time was we're gonna
Speaker 5: hear from Danny?
Speaker 4: Well you're hoping that about eleven twenty, okay, all right,
Speaker 4: so take a break here.
Speaker 5: Four minutes away.
Speaker 3: Anything else on your legal pad that you would like
Speaker 3: to get to. And again, the Cowboys are other teams
Speaker 3: in the league. If you have changed head coaches this year,
Speaker 3: today is the day you can start off season voluntary
Speaker 3: off season workouts.
Speaker 5: Teams like the.
Speaker 3: Bears, Patriots, a couple of other teams a believer starting today.
Speaker 3: Cowboys are not starting that until next month.
Speaker 4: Right The Jets are in there two and one of
Speaker 4: whenever they end up starting.
Speaker 6: So it looks like the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: So right now, if guys come in and want to
Speaker 4: rehab or do some strength and conditioning, they can do
Speaker 4: it with the strength and conditioning coaches.
Speaker 6: But the regular coaches.
Speaker 4: Can't have meetings or anything like that can make a
Speaker 4: phone call.
Speaker 3: I think it seems like even though the Cowboys aren't
Speaker 3: starting THEIRS until next week, they officially starting it until
Speaker 3: next week, that the coaches should be able to have
Speaker 3: interactions starting today even though they weren't on the list,
Speaker 3: because they do have a new head coach, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure we need to check into how
Speaker 3: that works. Are the Cowboys then extending into June an
Speaker 3: extra week in June their voluntary program and that's why
Speaker 3: they're not starting a week early.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 3: The other thing that's happening behind the scenes here at
Speaker 3: the Star this week, I assume it is happening, is
Speaker 3: there's a lot of draft meetings going on. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: because we're now two and a half weeks out from
Speaker 3: that draft.
Speaker 4: And they had I want to say three three days
Speaker 4: worth of thirty visits last week.
Speaker 3: That was a big week, and especially the end of
Speaker 3: the week and on bleeding on into Saturday of guys
Speaker 3: coming in here in dallasdowna also.
Speaker 4: And there were some significant names that are being reported
Speaker 4: that came in for those visits. So yeah, they were
Speaker 4: pretty and they were busy on Saturday too. By the way,
Speaker 4: with more visits taking place.
Speaker 5: And with the Cowboys looking for a veteran backup quarterback,
Speaker 5: maybe we'll ask Danny White if he has some interest.
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Speaker 3: And we'll be joined by Danny White, former Cowboys great
Speaker 3: here in just a moment. He's got a book out
Speaker 3: he wrote with his daughter, Heather Joe Kennedy, and the name.
Speaker 5: Is Spotlights and Shadows.
Speaker 3: And so we'll be joined by Danny here in just
Speaker 3: a moment. Anything on your legal pad there, Mickey, you
Speaker 3: want to get to before that?
Speaker 6: Well, I had some names that.
Speaker 4: Reportedly since the Cowboys don't confirm visits that came in
Speaker 4: for either the thirty visits or coming in or have
Speaker 4: come in for Dallas Day when they bring guys in,
Speaker 4: and interesting that I see a bunch of running backs.
Speaker 6: We're going to come in for visits.
Speaker 4: Some of these guys are local guys like Ashton Genti.
Speaker 5: Damian Martinez is another local guy.
Speaker 4: Collie Gordon Ye another local running back, and one of
Speaker 4: my favorite guys Ohio State running back Quincheon Judkins. I
Speaker 4: think that this guy's got something. And I think when
Speaker 4: people ask me what position do you think they'll draft,
Speaker 4: and I said, they've got so many choices between running back,
Speaker 4: wide receiver, defensive end, cornerback that I think you look
Speaker 4: at the draft and say, okay, which of those positions
Speaker 4: has the least amount of depth in the draft, Because
Speaker 4: if I can get somebody that I need in the
Speaker 4: second round, then in the first round, unless this guy's
Speaker 4: just got the blinking light, I'll take the position that
Speaker 4: has the least amount of depth. Because I probably can't
Speaker 4: get a good one in the second round.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, we started the show talking about the quarterback
Speaker 3: situation with this team, and of course Dak Prescott on
Speaker 3: the roster, Will Greer on the roster, Joe Milton acquired
Speaker 3: Nicky Spagnola. I'm thinking the Cowboys need a veteran backup
Speaker 3: quarterback on this team, right. I think I would go
Speaker 3: to Arizona State University to acquire this backup quarterback. Let's
Speaker 3: see if there's anything left in the tank. As the
Speaker 3: Great Danny White joins us on mix shots, Danny, you
Speaker 3: got Bill Jones and Mickey here. We appreciate for some reason,
Speaker 3: Everson didn't show up today for this podcast, but you'll
Speaker 3: take Everson spot here, Danny.
Speaker 5: Great to hear from it.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm good. How you guys doing, Bill, Nicky, good
Speaker 2: to be with you.
Speaker 3: Great to have you with us, Danny, And you got
Speaker 3: anything left in the tank about how about it?
Speaker 5: Come on? Come out of retirement here you go.
Speaker 2: The mind is willing, but the body is weak. Something
Speaker 2: like that, something something something like that. You know what.
Speaker 2: It's a funny feeling because in my really, in my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm twenty five years old, and I go out
Speaker 2: and I think I can still throw the ball, and
Speaker 2: it just doesn't happen. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you a funny thing happened. I think
Speaker 6: it was yesterday.
Speaker 4: I had gone skiing, and I had a beard for
Speaker 4: the last month, and only one or two people noticed
Speaker 4: that I shaved it on Friday, right And I said
Speaker 4: something to my wife and she goes, oh, yeah, you
Speaker 4: shaved it. And I'm going huh, and she goes, why'd.
Speaker 5: You do it?
Speaker 4: I said it was starting to make me look old,
Speaker 4: and she goes, you are old.
Speaker 6: It's like, okay, thanks a lot, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Oh funny, how that works?
Speaker 5: All right? Well, Danny, let me tell you this.
Speaker 3: I worked at CBS eleven yesterday and I worked late.
Speaker 3: I had a show at ten thirty at night. I
Speaker 3: get home last night close to midnight. I picked up
Speaker 3: a book that Mickey gave me called Danny White, Spotlights
Speaker 3: and Shadows with daughter HJ.
Speaker 5: Kennedy. Right here. I was up to two o'clock.
Speaker 3: This morning reading your book. And I absolutely love this book.
Speaker 3: I read it back from front cover to back cover. Now,
Speaker 3: I didn't have to skip through because I needed to
Speaker 3: go to bed at some point. I had to skip
Speaker 3: through some of it. But I just absolutely love this book.
Speaker 5: Danny.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Bill. I appreciate it. It was a
Speaker 2: lot of fun. I never I swore I would never
Speaker 2: write a book, because it's just to me, writing a
Speaker 2: book is just being presumptuous, you know, like I got
Speaker 2: to say, and you need to hear it. And and
Speaker 2: you know, but my kids, especially my daughter Heather, she
Speaker 2: they talked me into it is mostly for her. She's
Speaker 2: a certified life coach and she's written a book of
Speaker 2: her own now and uh so and and they just
Speaker 2: convinced me that, you know, I've lived kind of a
Speaker 2: charmed life. I've had a lot of things go my
Speaker 2: way and had some opportunities that most people don't get
Speaker 2: to have and and would love to have, you know,
Speaker 2: to be the quarterback of America's team and what and
Speaker 2: and maybe there's some things that I ow to share.
Speaker 2: And the stories started coming back, you know, and and
Speaker 2: uh some of that stuff about coach Landry and and
Speaker 2: coach Cush in college were we're just priceless and they've
Speaker 2: all they've all got a real moral to them. Uh,
Speaker 2: And that's what I was trying to do, was was
Speaker 2: make it somehow make it apply to everyday life so
Speaker 2: people could get something out of it. And that's what
Speaker 2: I was hoping. I didn't want to write a sports book.
Speaker 2: I wanted to write a self help or a motivational
Speaker 2: book at least a little bit. And that's why all
Speaker 2: the poetry and all that stuff. But I loved ended up.
Speaker 2: When it was done, I was so glad I did it,
Speaker 2: and so I hope people enjoy it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Danny that I was going to ask you that
Speaker 4: that was the unique thing about this book because normally
Speaker 4: when former players write a book, it's memory of this
Speaker 4: game and this game and this story and all that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. But yours was more in depth about
Speaker 4: kind of emotional feelings you had about playing, Heather's thoughts
Speaker 4: on growing up with a celebrity dad and what that
Speaker 4: was like.
Speaker 3: A celebrity dad who didn't ever want to be a celebrity,
Speaker 3: right exactly.
Speaker 6: And thus, thank you, thank you, thus.
Speaker 4: The title of the book, right, And it was so
Speaker 4: unique and and and you gave us some more of
Speaker 4: the background kind of feelings you had about doing this job.
Speaker 4: But being able to juggle raising a family at the
Speaker 4: same time.
Speaker 2: Well, it's about it's about priorities, mickey, you know, and
Speaker 2: I think, and I hope, I hope. If nothing else,
Speaker 2: the one thing people get out of it is that,
Speaker 2: you know, we we all develop talents and have gifts,
Speaker 2: and some are permanent and some are temporary, and unfortunately,
Speaker 2: most of us spend a large amount of time most
Speaker 2: of our life developing temporary talents. And by that I
Speaker 2: mean stuff things you can't take with you, things that
Speaker 2: are you know, I learned two skills in my life,
Speaker 2: throwing a football and playing the piano. Well, thanks to
Speaker 2: my mom, I spent eight years learning taking formal piano lessons.
Speaker 2: I don't throw footballs anymore, you know, but I played
Speaker 2: the piano every day and it's brought me so much
Speaker 2: enjoyment and relaxation and all that and and so it's
Speaker 2: it's it's developing things that are going to be around
Speaker 2: your entire life and even beyond your life, you know, family, friends, faith.
Speaker 2: Those are the things that I hope people got out
Speaker 2: of it, That to me, at least, are the most
Speaker 2: important things we can we can develop in our lives.
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about playing the piano, yes, and
Speaker 3: how it affected your football career, you know, and for
Speaker 3: most of us, Okay, I know myself. We had a
Speaker 3: piano and I never my parents never made me take
Speaker 3: piano lessons, but the piano sitting there, and I would
Speaker 3: get on it occasionally and bang on it. And now,
Speaker 3: after reading your book, I'm sitting there going And I
Speaker 3: had a great friend growing up who could play the piano,
Speaker 3: and then I was envious of him once we got
Speaker 3: into high school in college because all the girls flocked
Speaker 3: to him because at parties he could play the piano.
Speaker 3: But you told a great story in here, how the
Speaker 3: piano lessons and the discipline of every single day a
Speaker 3: half hour on the piano, how it affected you as
Speaker 3: a football player.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That And never had any clue, nor did my
Speaker 2: mom that I was developing skills that would help me
Speaker 2: as a as a quarterback. But the discipline of practicing
Speaker 2: every day, her coming out and getting me off the
Speaker 2: street a few times and dragging me in by the
Speaker 2: here and slamming me down practiced the piano. But not
Speaker 2: only that, but then you know, I got to the cowboy,
Speaker 2: said Bob Ward sat me down in front of a
Speaker 2: computer and said, take this test, and they started flashing
Speaker 2: right hand, left foot, and I had these paddles and
Speaker 2: I had to hit them and see how many you
Speaker 2: can do in thirty seconds. And when I got done,
Speaker 2: he just was standing there with his mouth open. He said,
Speaker 2: do you happen to play the piano? And I said, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do. What's that got to do with this? He said, well,
Speaker 2: you look at notes on a page. Your eyes send
Speaker 2: a message to your brain. Your brain sends a message
Speaker 2: to your body, and you do what you see. And
Speaker 2: the faster you can make that process work, the better
Speaker 2: piano player you are. And I could just tell by
Speaker 2: the way you take this now. So well, what's that
Speaker 2: got to do with football? And he said, well, what
Speaker 2: do you do as a quarterback? You look down the field,
Speaker 2: you see an open receiver. Your eyes send a message
Speaker 2: to your brain, Your brain sends a message to your body,
Speaker 2: and you react to what you see. And the faster
Speaker 2: you can do that, the quicker you can get the
Speaker 2: ball to that receiver before the defense we had, the
Speaker 2: better quarterback you are, you know, And man, I just
Speaker 2: I never ever dreamed. Almost hours of knocking the ivory
Speaker 2: off of those keys was going to actually, but anybody
Speaker 2: that plays the piano will tell you that it is
Speaker 2: so true. You have to anticipate and you and and
Speaker 2: the quicker you can react to what you see, the
Speaker 2: better you are both. And uh yeah, that's one of
Speaker 2: the stories in the book. And uh it's it's it's
Speaker 2: so true.
Speaker 3: You know, the Cowboys are looking for a quarterback in
Speaker 3: this draft, maybe maybe a drafted quarterback. I'm thinking Jerry
Speaker 3: Jones is going to hear this and he's that's a
Speaker 3: question now that's going to be asked to the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and Bob said that to me. He said,
Speaker 2: you know, I found that players who play a musical
Speaker 2: instrument make better athletes. And you know, of course Bob
Speaker 2: Ward was a deep thinker and he he went for
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But you know, if they have a
Speaker 2: piano in the quarterback room, I'm available.
Speaker 5: There you go. All right.
Speaker 6: So I thought I knew you awfully well.
Speaker 4: We spent a lot of time, especially these last what
Speaker 4: ten fifteen years when you were doing the Compass broadcast
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys radio broadcast, So I didn't know about
Speaker 4: the piano playing, and I think I'd forgotten how good
Speaker 4: a baseball player you were, and how did you make
Speaker 4: that decision between Okay, I'm going to baseball or I'm
Speaker 4: going to football.
Speaker 3: Before you answer that question, let me for those who
Speaker 3: aren't aware of how strong a baseball program Bobby Winkles
Speaker 3: had at Arizona State. Here are a few of the
Speaker 3: names that came out of the Arizona State baseball program
Speaker 3: in the sixties and seventies. Sal Bando, Rick Monday, Reggie Jackson,
Speaker 3: Larry Gurra, Randall went to Arizona State. I didn't realize
Speaker 3: that Eddie Bain was.
Speaker 5: Like football scholarship, did he really?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: And uh and and then it was probably after and
Speaker 3: shortly after your time. Floyd Banister was there, Kenny Landrou
Speaker 3: Bob Horner uh played there as well. I mean that
Speaker 3: was a baseball factory. So now answer Mickey's question.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's funny because yeah, I mean, baseball was
Speaker 2: my my love growing up. Uh. And I got to
Speaker 2: a s U and Bobby Winkles recruited me, and then
Speaker 2: he left my freshman year and Jim Brock came in
Speaker 2: and and a lot of things changed. I mean I
Speaker 2: grew up going to all those baseball games and watching
Speaker 2: them sprint from the from home played to the dugout
Speaker 2: when they struck out, and sprint to first base if
Speaker 2: they walked, and you know, it was just so much
Speaker 2: fun watching those guys work the way they did, and
Speaker 2: and that was that was part of the draw. But
Speaker 2: my baseball career just just kind of took a nosedive.
Speaker 2: In my football career. I went from being one of
Speaker 2: five freshman quarterbacks playing one year of quarterback in high
Speaker 2: school and going there as a punter and a defensive
Speaker 2: back to becoming the starting quarterback my sophomore year. And
Speaker 2: that is a long way to go in a short
Speaker 2: period of time. And it was because of guys graduating, quitting, transferring,
Speaker 2: and really Frank Cush was stuck with me and we
Speaker 2: had a great team and all I had and he
Speaker 2: told me before the first game is now white. All
Speaker 2: you got to do is get the ball from the
Speaker 2: center and give it to one of our guys without
Speaker 2: dropping it, and we'll be fine. And that was his
Speaker 2: pep talk, you know, And I kind of made a
Speaker 2: career out of that, whether it was Woody Green and
Speaker 2: Benny Malone and Steve Holden or Tony Dorsett and Herschel
Speaker 2: Walker and Drew Pearson, and you know, I just always
Speaker 2: was surrounded by great talent, and so my football career
Speaker 2: just took off. We won the first three Fiesta Bowls.
Speaker 2: We led the nation in scoring and offense. And so
Speaker 2: my senior year I didn't even play baseball. I tell
Speaker 2: the story in the book about striking out to make
Speaker 2: the last out of the College World Series. That's a
Speaker 2: story not many people know about until now, and but
Speaker 2: that was the last time I played baseball.
Speaker 3: If you would have if they would have let you hit,
Speaker 3: then you wouldn't have struck.
Speaker 2: Out though, if it would have let me swing at
Speaker 2: And I was one of those guys that did everything
Speaker 2: the coach. You know, there are times, and I learned
Speaker 2: this kind of the hard way, when you as a
Speaker 2: quarterback or as an athlete, you have to do what
Speaker 2: you feel and not what the coach tells you to do.
Speaker 2: And that was one of those times. The last play
Speaker 2: of the forty nine er game Championship game after the
Speaker 2: catch was another one of those times when I always
Speaker 2: had done what I felt instead of what coach Landry
Speaker 2: told me to do. So there are times like that
Speaker 2: when you just got to go with with your feel
Speaker 2: and that that was one of those times that I
Speaker 2: had a two and o count and a fastball was coming,
Speaker 2: and I could hit any fastball. Nolan Ryan couldn't throw
Speaker 2: one by me, but I couldn't. If it broke a
Speaker 2: quarter of an inch, I couldn't hit it.
Speaker 5: That's why you became a quarterback.
Speaker 2: That's why I became a quarterback. I'd still be riding
Speaker 2: around on a bus in West Texas playing minor league
Speaker 2: baseball if I hadn't been for that. I could hit
Speaker 2: a curveball, but uh yeah, the next two pitches were curves.
Speaker 2: And that was the end of my baseball career.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: You you mentioned.
Speaker 4: Things about how things you were fortunate, how things fell
Speaker 4: for you, and I thought, the interesting thing, and I
Speaker 4: think this is indicative of some of the story, as
Speaker 4: you told in the book, is how you met your wife,
Speaker 4: the mother of your children, and how important family became
Speaker 4: to you. And I thought, maybe you can tell the
Speaker 4: story of of when you first met her.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about our first day? Yes, yeah, we
Speaker 2: had just met. They just moved into town from Canada,
Speaker 2: and and I'll tell this pretty quickly, but it was
Speaker 2: homecoming and I asked her to go to homecoming with me,
Speaker 2: and we we didn't even know each other hardly, and
Speaker 2: she was not a big football fan. And I got
Speaker 2: kicked in the head by one of my own players
Speaker 2: early in the game, and I was out, I mean
Speaker 2: I was out, and concussion and and all that went home.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on it in front of the TV, watching
Speaker 2: watching television. Mom walks in and says, Danny, didn't you
Speaker 2: have a date with that new girl tonight? And I said, Mom,
Speaker 2: I don't remember anything. So she said, well, I better
Speaker 2: call him, And so she and joe Lyne had been
Speaker 2: sitting there in her dress and all made up. She
Speaker 2: didn't go the game. She didn't know what happened. And
Speaker 2: now it's like eleven o'clock at night. And anyway, my
Speaker 2: dad ended up driving me over and picking her because
Speaker 2: I couldn't drive with Mike with a concussion. Picked her
Speaker 2: up and we went down to Bob's Big Boy on
Speaker 2: Main Street in Mates and went in and I bought
Speaker 2: he of Hamburger, and my dad sat in the car
Speaker 2: and waited for us, and we went back out. He
Speaker 2: took us home and that was our first day. The
Speaker 2: next day, I didn't remember a thing about it, and that.
Speaker 5: Led to forty six years of marriage.
Speaker 2: I must have done something right, I say, And how
Speaker 2: many kids? Four? Four kids? Sixteen grandkids? And then and
Speaker 2: then I just got remarried. She passed away six years
Speaker 2: ago from brain cancer. And then and then I remarried
Speaker 2: two years ago. And Linda has fifteen grandkids, so we
Speaker 2: have thirty one between us and nine kids, and life
Speaker 2: kind of started all over again.
Speaker 6: You have lost.
Speaker 2: Those are the kind of things. Those are the kind
Speaker 2: of things I'm talking about that are that are really
Speaker 2: really important to me anyway. And my football career is
Speaker 2: kind of just a blur now.
Speaker 6: And the poetry part too, right.
Speaker 2: Oh, I loved. I loved because that was how I
Speaker 2: trained my brain for Landry's game plans. You know, we'd
Speaker 2: get a game plan on Tuesday night and had to
Speaker 2: have it memorized Wednesday for offensive day, and he would
Speaker 2: change things up every week. He'd never run the same
Speaker 2: play from the same formation two weeks in a row,
Speaker 2: so we had to be able to memorize. And and
Speaker 2: that was back before players had receivers in their helmet
Speaker 2: and that you know, the to just talk to him
Speaker 2: and call the play. That's probably the biggest thing that's
Speaker 2: changed in the game since I played, at least the
Speaker 2: quarterback position is being able to talk to the quarterback well,
Speaker 2: so we have signals and we had to memorize all
Speaker 2: that stuff. So I would train my brain by memorizing
Speaker 2: poetry and I some of those not only were they
Speaker 2: great to memorize, but they were inspirational as well.
Speaker 3: You know, Uh, just reading reading the book, and uh,
Speaker 3: I love how transparent both you and Heather Joe are
Speaker 3: about the tragedies that have happened in your life.
Speaker 5: You mentioned, uh, Joe Lynn's brain cancer, and.
Speaker 3: I think for a lot of people it will help
Speaker 3: them who are dealing with with things like that. I've
Speaker 3: got a good friend it just was diagnosed, and you know,
Speaker 3: uh that sort of thing. This book. I bring that
Speaker 3: up to say that this this book goes far beyond football.
Speaker 3: They're so many life lessons and one of the things
Speaker 3: I love. I've three daughters coached him in basketball. Heather
Speaker 3: Joe told a story on page one, twenty six. She said,
Speaker 3: my parents are my biggest ride and die. I was
Speaker 3: playing in a basketball game one time when I stole
Speaker 3: the ball headed for a fast break as my defender turned,
Speaker 3: I caught her foot on mine and took a good dive,
Speaker 3: cracking my head loud on the hardwood. The referees didn't
Speaker 3: stop the game, didn't even blow a whistle. Instead of
Speaker 3: attending to me, they were focused on the game. So
Speaker 3: in the middle of the game, my dad stormed the court.
Speaker 3: Words were exchanged, and he was asked to exit the gym.
Speaker 3: Your biggest fans should be concerned about one thing, you.
Speaker 3: I guess I should have said there was an attempt
Speaker 3: to throw him out of the game.
Speaker 2: They weren't successful, exactly right, Bill. I told them. I
Speaker 2: told them they better go get the Arizona National Guard
Speaker 2: if they think they're going to give me that, because
Speaker 2: I was sitting right behind him other she was on
Speaker 2: the bench, and I mean, if you could have heard that,
Speaker 2: the echo of her head getting the floor, I just
Speaker 2: I freaked out, you know, and I did. I just
Speaker 2: ran straight out into the middle of the game. And
Speaker 2: I don't wonder you guys doing stop the game. And they, yeah,
Speaker 2: they they tried to kick me out, but they didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't. Budge wasn't about.
Speaker 5: She said, they let you stay in the gym.
Speaker 3: I was fine by the way our trainer took care
Speaker 3: of me while dad and the ref were facing off.
Speaker 5: That made me feel better about my antics as a
Speaker 5: youth basketball coach.
Speaker 2: In the reference, parents can be the worst, can't they?
Speaker 2: Or the best?
Speaker 3: Again, it's a great example of there's stuff for parents
Speaker 3: in here too.
Speaker 6: I love this, I was gonna say, and me too.
Speaker 4: Trying to help coach junior high fast pits girls software
Speaker 4: and I to get thrown out of a game one time.
Speaker 2: Well, I tried to help Joe Germaine here coach high school.
Speaker 2: I got. I got thrown out of two games. I
Speaker 2: had to go sit up in the booth and coach
Speaker 2: from the boot because I just couldn't handle the officiated
Speaker 2: high school officiating. Just oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 3: Well, and so now in your retirement life, are you
Speaker 3: keeping just as busy as you ever were?
Speaker 2: No? I hope not.
Speaker 5: Well, you got how many grandchildren?
Speaker 2: Thirty one?
Speaker 3: There's got to be tons of games you have to
Speaker 3: get to, right every Saturday.
Speaker 2: Saturday Saturday is I mean, Linda goes one way and
Speaker 2: I go the other way, and we divide and conquer
Speaker 2: and try to get it done. But yeah, I'm then
Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon dinners and and uh, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff going on. But you know what, I went for
Speaker 2: a number of years by myself, and fortunately I had
Speaker 2: my kids, you know, around me. But I'm not one
Speaker 2: of those guys. Some guys can live by themselves. I'm
Speaker 2: not one of them. So I'll take it. I'll I'll
Speaker 2: take of being busy any day over just having nothing
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 5: And grandparenting.
Speaker 3: You know the importance of the parents and the grandparents
Speaker 3: being at the games because you lived it with your
Speaker 3: great parents that you had.
Speaker 6: Well, do you have a roster on your refrigerator? What
Speaker 6: everybody's name?
Speaker 2: All the grandkids have it in my phone? Yeah, not
Speaker 2: on the fridge. I can't carry that fridge around in
Speaker 2: the car with me. I gotta have it with me
Speaker 2: at all times. But you know, I just personally, I
Speaker 2: think it's one of the real problems in our society
Speaker 2: and our culture today is just parents. Either they're not
Speaker 2: there at all, or they're too soft, or you know,
Speaker 2: I've got an answer for everything, and that's that's one
Speaker 2: of my answers, is parenting. Good parenting will solve a
Speaker 2: lot of problems.
Speaker 4: Well, I think people need to be able to read
Speaker 4: your book. So it's Danny White Spotlight and Shadows.
Speaker 6: And you can go to.
Speaker 4: Amazon dot com and you can get a copy on Kindle.
Speaker 4: You can get a hardcover copy or a paper back copy.
Speaker 4: And I suggest that if you're interested in a career.
Speaker 6: That Danny White made for himself.
Speaker 4: And the family he raised and how he was raised
Speaker 4: by a very strict father, I think you would enjoy
Speaker 4: this book.
Speaker 2: And and Vicky also they if they want to sign
Speaker 2: the copy, if they go to my website Danny White
Speaker 2: dot com, they can get U We'll sign one and
Speaker 2: send it to them.
Speaker 6: Oh very nice, Well, very good.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm going to read it again. I just I was
Speaker 3: able to. Like I said, go slow down. I can
Speaker 3: slow down and take it all in.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sitting before I go to bed to
Speaker 3: night after the National Championship game tonight, I'll read Danny
Speaker 3: White Spotlights and Shadows once again.
Speaker 2: And while well, I'm impressed. Bill, you're one of those
Speaker 2: guys that can read with one eye closed. I guess
Speaker 2: that's great.
Speaker 4: And by the way, kudos to Heather too. I thought
Speaker 4: her insight in the book was invaluable. She's She's spot
Speaker 4: on with her memories and how that affected the relationship.
Speaker 6: You had with your daughter, how it affected her life.
Speaker 2: I am just a little bit proud of her.
Speaker 6: I could imagine.
Speaker 3: Well, Danny, we appreciate it and hope to see you
Speaker 3: soon and hopefully this Cowboys team can win some games
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me on, guys, Let's do it
Speaker 2: again sometime. I'd love to.
Speaker 4: Absolutely this was a fun trip down memory lane, especially
Speaker 4: your memory lane.
Speaker 2: It was what's left of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the great Danny White here on mix Shots. Thanks
Speaker 3: Danny again. The book is Spotlights and Shadows with his
Speaker 3: daughter Heather Joe Kennedy. Thanks Danny and mix Shots continues
Speaker 3: in a moment.
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Speaker 3: All Right, final segment here mixed shots, got nine minutes left.
Speaker 3: Great to have Danny White on and I'm serious, that's
Speaker 3: make sure you've especially you're Danny White fan going back
Speaker 3: to when he was playing for the Cowboys. I think
Speaker 3: this book is well worth it. It gives you an
Speaker 3: insight into Danny the person and his family, and there
Speaker 3: are a lot of life lessons in that.
Speaker 4: Book, and he had and he was right, He had
Speaker 4: a lot of fortunate things happen for him to end
Speaker 4: up being. You know, the Cowboys started off as the
Speaker 4: punter right after he started his career at WFL World
Speaker 4: Football League with the Memphis.
Speaker 3: The show Memphis Southmans.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a weird name. Anyway, two years there
Speaker 4: the league folded. The Cowboys had taken and they knew
Speaker 4: he'd signed a personal services contract with the Southmen, and
Speaker 4: the Cowboys took a third year, a third round flyer
Speaker 4: on him, thinking that the WFL would eventually fold, which
Speaker 4: it did, and in seventy six he came to the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: And how fortunate was he by landing with the Cowboys
Speaker 4: and as the backup quarterback that year they had traded
Speaker 4: away Craig Morton and Clint Longley was the backup gets
Speaker 4: in the infamous fight in the locker room with Roger Staubach,
Speaker 4: he leaves, the Cowboys get rid of him, and suddenly
Speaker 4: he's the backup quarterback in nineteen seventy six, and the
Speaker 4: punter too, by the.
Speaker 5: Way, that's right, all right.
Speaker 3: In our final few minutes some things to talk about.
Speaker 3: Of course, the annual NFL Annual meetings happened last week
Speaker 3: since we got together. They were in the middle of
Speaker 3: the meetings when.
Speaker 5: We write it.
Speaker 3: That's right last Monday.
Speaker 5: The rules were they've tabled the tush push till May.
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be able to word that
Speaker 3: where we're not going to see the tush push done
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 6: Well what they need to do, and this was a
Speaker 6: simple fight.
Speaker 4: My thought was, you just go back to the rule
Speaker 4: that was in the NFL through two thousand and four
Speaker 4: that there was no pushing players from behind, and that
Speaker 4: that encompasses the running back going up the middle and
Speaker 4: five offensive linemen getting behind him and all of a
Speaker 4: sudden it keeps going, going and going. That's where it's dangerous.
Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna get hurt doing that, and that would include
Speaker 4: the tush push. So it's not like I'm outlawing one
Speaker 4: team's play and.
Speaker 3: The Eagles or anyone else they can line up like
Speaker 3: they they've done the tush push. You just can't put
Speaker 3: someone behind the quarterback pushing them right exactly. All you
Speaker 3: have to do to change the rule, and whether it's
Speaker 3: a quarterback or any other spot on the field. You
Speaker 3: can't push a player forward.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what and even Roger Goodell pointed
Speaker 4: that out. He brought up the other pushes that go
Speaker 4: on because the defense can't get pushed.
Speaker 5: And it doesn't even have to be a penalty.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: What you can do is it's almost like forward progress.
Speaker 3: A guy dash is from behind, that's that's where that's
Speaker 3: where it's marked. That play's over, that's where it's run
Speaker 3: the next down from.
Speaker 4: And the other rule changes they did, I'm all for,
Speaker 4: why would you have one rule for overtime in the
Speaker 4: playoffs and not have it during the regular season where
Speaker 4: each team gets a possession.
Speaker 6: So that passed.
Speaker 3: The touchbacks out to the thirty five yards which will
Speaker 3: help be significant.
Speaker 4: Yes, And then and then giving more jurisdiction to the
Speaker 4: video replay assist from the official up in the booth
Speaker 4: that all he has to do is see something's wrong
Speaker 4: and buzz down and say, hey, fix this.
Speaker 6: It doesn't have to be challenged. We don't need a replay.
Speaker 4: You either missed the call or you got the call wrong.
Speaker 4: And they expanded what that guy can do up in
Speaker 4: the in the coach in the basically the replay booth.
Speaker 3: All Right, as I mentioned off the top of the show,
Speaker 3: I've been I've been able to really aren't filling up
Speaker 3: my big green notebook looking at these prospects. And I
Speaker 3: actually love this time in my process because there's a
Speaker 3: certain I've got so many other things I have to
Speaker 3: do it. I'm not like the Brian Brodis's and Dame
Speaker 3: Bruglers of the world, who can go ahead and do
Speaker 3: it a lot of bills like yemens and all that,
Speaker 3: and so now's the time, and this is when I
Speaker 3: get really interested. And so I just if I'm not
Speaker 3: staying up late reading Danny White's book, I'm staying.
Speaker 5: Up late looking at draft prospects.
Speaker 3: And just like on Friday afternoon, I'm going through these
Speaker 3: wide receivers, and I'm not going through the top wrong
Speaker 3: wide receivers. I'm Okay, what options do the Cowboys have
Speaker 3: in the mid rounds with wide receivers? And you have
Speaker 3: to know this stuff to know whether you have to
Speaker 3: take that Tep McMillan in the first round or Matthew
Speaker 3: Golden in the first round. Well, can you fill another
Speaker 3: position there? If every if all things being equal, if
Speaker 3: you're choosing between a wide receiver or a corner back
Speaker 3: or line back or whatever it might be. You got
Speaker 3: to know how deep the positions are throughout the draft.
Speaker 3: And so I'm going through on one page here, I
Speaker 3: got four wide receivers that are probably projected to be
Speaker 3: anywhere from third to fifth round picks. I'm going I
Speaker 3: like that guy. Oh, I like that guy. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of guys that now can they And
Speaker 3: I'm looking at guys who can eventually be number two receivers. Obviously,
Speaker 3: if you're looking for someone who can be a CD Lamb,
Speaker 3: it's probably going to be a first round pick. Now,
Speaker 3: there are occasions Pookin Nakua, who was a fifth round
Speaker 3: pick and it's now the number one receiver along with
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams with the rams he had, Amen Ross Saint
Speaker 3: Brown who was a fourth round pick for the Lions
Speaker 3: who emerged as a top rung receiver, Stefan Diggs going
Speaker 3: back further, and so you can find guys like that.
Speaker 6: Just percentages aren't with right right.
Speaker 3: But you can find good quality receivers in the third
Speaker 3: the fifth rounds, and the same goes for other positions.
Speaker 3: I mean, this draft you've got a bunch of defensive linemen.
Speaker 3: You've got a bunch of edge rushers that can be contributors.
Speaker 3: And really, the way I look at it is, I'm
Speaker 3: looking at guys not so much for this year, although
Speaker 3: you want them to contribute their rookie year when you're
Speaker 3: talking about mid round guys, but who are guys that
Speaker 3: can eventually be a starter in this league. They can
Speaker 3: fill a role right now and then like what the
Speaker 3: Cowboys did four years ago getting OsO, Digga Zua and
Speaker 3: Chauncey Golston. And Osa came on quicker than Golston did,
Speaker 3: but we saw what Golston was able to do this
Speaker 3: last year. There are a bunch of players like that
Speaker 3: that you can get on the defensive line in the
Speaker 3: third round.
Speaker 6: And that's what.
Speaker 4: Especially that second day, the second and third round picks.
Speaker 4: And again, so I had asked you the question the
Speaker 4: depth of those positions, which of those positions the Cowboys
Speaker 4: would be interest has the least amount of depth that
Speaker 4: you'd say you better get that guy in the first one.
Speaker 5: Well, and then where's yeah, where's the drop off?
Speaker 3: Right? And and see you look at the running back
Speaker 3: position and it's a deep draft of good running backs. Okay,
Speaker 3: now it's going to be interesting to see how quickly
Speaker 3: they start coming off the board because it's a deep
Speaker 3: draft of good running backs, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: However, I'm thinking that some of those running backs are
Speaker 3: so good that teams are going to think, well, I
Speaker 3: don't want to wait all the way to the fourth round.
Speaker 3: I got to get my guy in the second or
Speaker 3: third round otherwise, because we love these guys so much.
Speaker 4: Thanks to Saquon Barkley, by the way, well now showing
Speaker 4: how important the running back can be, yep.
Speaker 5: And wide receivers.
Speaker 3: They might wait on wide receivers because you have of
Speaker 3: those top one hundred type players or to say, top
Speaker 3: fifth d type players you probably for the first time
Speaker 3: have in a while. You've got more running backs than
Speaker 3: wide receivers. Probably that or at least that many that
Speaker 3: fit into that mix.
Speaker 6: Where do cornerbacks fit in?
Speaker 3: You know, I haven't I haven't dug deep enough into
Speaker 3: the depth of the cornerbacks yet, but I mean there
Speaker 3: are good cornerbacks and one that the Cowboys need to
Speaker 3: really consider in the first round. Who you looked at
Speaker 3: down in Austin, John A. Barn and what I like
Speaker 3: about him? As much as anything beyond what I see
Speaker 3: on film. He checks all the boxes as far as
Speaker 3: being a quality, high character, smart player who is a
Speaker 3: barring injury, I think is going to have a long career.
Speaker 4: And the thing that stood out to me most just
Speaker 4: listening to his interview afterwards was his confidence.
Speaker 6: This is a confident.
Speaker 4: Guy and if your cornerback, you better have that because
Speaker 4: you are going to get beat. So how do you
Speaker 4: respond to that?
Speaker 3: And think of the competition that he's gone up against,
Speaker 3: especially this year in the SEC and then in the
Speaker 3: College Football Playoff. Not only this year but also last year.
Speaker 3: He went up against those Oregon guys in the in
Speaker 3: the National semifinal last year in Oregon had all those
Speaker 3: good wide receivers. This year going up against Ohio State,
Speaker 3: and so you have some real tape to look at
Speaker 3: against NFL quality players, and so you make a good
Speaker 3: judgment on someone like.
Speaker 4: Beer and a lot of that position seemingly is getting
Speaker 4: overlooked because you lose Jordan Lewis the Cowboys right now,
Speaker 4: if they're going to start whenever, it's Doron Bland and
Speaker 4: tell me who you know.
Speaker 6: I know they.
Speaker 4: Traded for a career Kyral, but this is a guy
Speaker 4: that you know, Okay is a former high pick, but
Speaker 4: he hasn't really bled a drop in the league so far,
Speaker 4: and so I don't think they can sit there and
Speaker 4: say Trayvon Diggs is going to be ready to go
Speaker 4: for the opening of the season.
Speaker 3: And I think you got to look at both Diggs
Speaker 3: and Overshown as guys that in your own mind as
Speaker 3: you're planning out this year, is what are you doing
Speaker 3: at cornerback and linebackers right? Because you cannot count on
Speaker 3: them being there the first half of that And.
Speaker 4: I think for sure Overshown he's not going to get
Speaker 4: back in time. He'll be on pup to start the season.
Speaker 4: He'll be on pup to start training camp. And Trayvon Diggs,
Speaker 4: you know we're going to see here in a in
Speaker 4: a little bit if when they start their offseason program,
Speaker 4: is he here rehabbing.
Speaker 6: I see Dak every day.
Speaker 3: But I do think your first round pick has to
Speaker 3: be a guy who can step on the field and
Speaker 3: place absolutely and start immediately.
Speaker 5: Picking at number twelve.
Speaker 4: And the second round guy too, when we're looking at
Speaker 4: defensive lineman also, which we didn't.
Speaker 3: Even well it'd been in a rotation on the defensive
Speaker 3: linefe So yeah, yeah, because I don't think just like
Speaker 3: mcneiland last year.
Speaker 5: I mean, he was in a rotation last year.
Speaker 4: And so now if he can step up and be
Speaker 4: a guy, right, and Sam Williams comes back as the
Speaker 4: player they thought they were going to have until he
Speaker 4: tore his acl and Micah Parsons which we didn't even
Speaker 4: touch all that business.
Speaker 3: But even as far as the edge rushers going, I know,
Speaker 3: we're out of time here. Even as far as the
Speaker 3: edge rushers go, you got to keep in mind, and
Speaker 3: this is this ups the need for edge rushers, is
Speaker 3: that Williams is in the last year of his contract.
Speaker 3: Dante Fowlers on a one year deal as well, and.
Speaker 4: You know, and he may be best as a rotation guy,
Speaker 4: not having to play.
Speaker 6: He had snaps a.
Speaker 3: Game, yeah, and he and that's what he's been lately.
Speaker 3: He had a little over five hundred snaps with Washington
Speaker 3: last year, but the year before with Dallas he was
Speaker 3: around three hundred snaps. And that's basically what Sam Williams
Speaker 3: has topped out in the first two years of his career.
Speaker 4: And even five hundred snaps, that's probably that's half of
Speaker 4: thirty twenty five.
Speaker 5: It's you.
Speaker 3: You typically will get eleven hundred snaps in a season
Speaker 3: on defense, and so that's about fifty percent of the
Speaker 3: snaps anyway, all right, thanks to Danny White for joining
Speaker 3: us here ever since. We'll be back next week and
Speaker 3: we will see you again next Monday at eleven on
Speaker 3: mix Shots.
Speaker 6: See.
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