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Speaker 1: This is Mick Shots streaming live on dallascowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys APT now Here are Bill Jones,

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Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 3: Well two out of three ain't bad. No Everson Walls today,

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Speaker 3: but we will be joined in just a little bit

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Speaker 3: by someone from his era, the great Danny White on

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Speaker 3: this edition of mix Shots. As we are now less

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Speaker 3: than three weeks, in fact, two and a half weeks

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Speaker 3: away from NFL Draft Day, and Mickey, you would not

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Speaker 3: leave how much I have filled up my big green

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Speaker 3: NFL Draft scouting notebook in the last week. There's all

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Speaker 3: sorts of scribbles all over this book right now.

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Speaker 4: So do you have like five pages of potential backup core?

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Speaker 5: That's where I started, That's at the very beginning.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I've been pages are coming out on the notebook.

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Speaker 3: I've been perusing these backup quarterback prospects.

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Speaker 6: Very nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but wait a second, I thought the Cowboys had

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Speaker 3: their backup quarterback since the last time we convened they

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Speaker 3: acquired Joe Milton.

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Speaker 6: Did they acquire them before. Last time we talked about

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Speaker 6: him last night, I can't remember.

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Speaker 5: It was like Tuesday or Wednesday.

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Speaker 6: Well, but we did Monday.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. We haven't talked about Joe Milton.

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Speaker 6: I thought you said we talked.

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Speaker 3: About No, we haven't talked about Joe Milton. By the way,

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Speaker 3: before we get into Joe Milton any White, we're going

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Speaker 3: to have him on in the second segment, and he

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Speaker 3: and his daughter, Heather, Joe have written a book called

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Speaker 3: Spotlights and Shadows, and I read it last night late

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Speaker 3: after I got home from work.

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Speaker 5: I love the book.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to talk to him and it's it's

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Speaker 3: not there is football in it, but it's basically a

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Speaker 3: book of life lessons and I can't wait to hear

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Speaker 3: Danny talking about it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, when I ran into him

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Speaker 4: Quarterback Award in fort Worthvy O'Brien award. He was the

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Speaker 4: I guess they bring in a form of legend, relegend

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Speaker 4: or whatever, and he was there and his daughter was

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Speaker 4: with him, and they were talking to me about it

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Speaker 4: and they asked, they said, can we send you kind

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Speaker 4: of a pre publishing book to read and let me

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Speaker 4: know what you think and if you have any suggestions.

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Speaker 4: And so I hurried up and read it, and you know,

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Speaker 4: it was fine, and I kind of congratulated him on

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Speaker 4: what they did, gave him a few suggestions, and then

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Speaker 4: I had already read it, and I said, all right,

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Speaker 4: well when it comes out when we're in training camp.

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Speaker 6: Then we'll get him on.

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Speaker 4: Well, one thing leads to another and we get busy

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Speaker 4: doing it, so I thought, Okay, now's a good time.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it'll be interesting to hear why he did

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Speaker 4: it and how they did it.

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Speaker 3: Too, and really good stuff, especially for those of us

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Speaker 3: who followed the Cowboys Cowboys fans back in the seventies

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Speaker 3: and eighties and have had a ton of respect for

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Speaker 3: Danny White over the years.

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Speaker 6: All Right, speaking of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so we jump right in on Joe Milton.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of the acquisition of Joe Milton,

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Speaker 3: a Cowboys roster that of course has Dak Prescott. It's

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Speaker 3: Greer who was acquired reacquired late season, and now you

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Speaker 4: So here's the way I look at it. The Cowboys

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Speaker 4: idea was, Okay, we're going to use our second fourth

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Speaker 4: they used the fifth to trade for Joe Milton, the third,

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Speaker 4: a former sixth round pick of the Patriots. And so

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Speaker 4: that's what they That's how they drafted their quarterback with

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Speaker 5: Right, he can come in and compete for it.

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Speaker 6: He can compete for it.

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Speaker 4: He's got to compete with Will Greer, so he could

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Speaker 6: He could be competing.

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Speaker 4: For the third quarterback position on the roster. And I

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Speaker 4: was told this does not preclude them signing a veteran

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Speaker 3: I think it's likely right they will, and I don't

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Speaker 3: in as far, I don't think it changes anything as

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Speaker 3: far as the acquisition of a quarterback, whether it's in

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Speaker 3: the draft and or free agency. The Patriots gave him away,

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Speaker 3: right basically. I mean, that's what I don't understand about it,

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Speaker 3: especially with the potential that Joe Milton showed in the

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Speaker 3: May played the first series. It was very, very cold,

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Speaker 3: it appeared that day when they played Buffalo.

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Speaker 6: So the Bills were less than enthused to play.

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Speaker 3: There, and they were protecting players because everything was locked

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Speaker 3: seating goes. And he looked in Milton, you've seen the stats.

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Speaker 3: He looked good. Okay. The issue with Joe Milton is

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Speaker 3: that he when you look at his stats going back

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Speaker 3: played a lot of football. This is going back to

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Speaker 6: I mean he familiar.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's he has literally thrown over the last seven

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Speaker 3: And so that's I agree, tap the brakes on that now.

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Speaker 4: Even I think what he's costing the Cowboys base salary

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Speaker 3: You're giving him up to move up forty six spots

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Speaker 3: You're giving him up to move up from number two

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Speaker 3: As and the Cowboys are giving up a fifth You're

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Speaker 3: and get Joe Milton. Yes, well that's a no brain,

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Speaker 3: but it doesn't change anything else. In fact, I would

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Speaker 3: least I'm saying you could if you really like a

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Speaker 3: And that's the only scenario I can think of that

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Speaker 3: they're still in the market definitely for a third day

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Speaker 3: be fifth round, sixth round, whatever. But that's no knock

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Speaker 3: on Joe Milton. I mean the Patriots were giving him away.

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Speaker 3: And what the Patriots did. They have Drake May obviously,

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Speaker 6: He's a rocket scientist.

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Speaker 3: So he was going to be their backup quarterback. But

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Speaker 3: the problem with Joe Milton is he does not have

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Speaker 3: to say, if Dak Prescott got hurt the first.

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Speaker 5: Game of the season, Joe Milton's going.

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Speaker 3: To be be able to go in there with that

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Speaker 4: You caught lightning in a bottle with Dak that same scenario,

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Speaker 4: because that was not the plan.

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Speaker 3: But Dak had so much more experience in college. Joe

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Speaker 3: Milton starting starting experience in college at Mississippi State. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he got Mississippi State all the way to number one

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Speaker 4: So that was my point, because if I had heard

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Speaker 4: just traded for their backup quarterback. No, they traded for

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Speaker 3: And having said all of that, Joe Milton might come

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Speaker 3: in here next week when they start off season, brokouts

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Speaker 3: without and when over whoever else they bring in here,

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Speaker 3: and the Cowboys hope that happens. But there's a reason

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Speaker 3: go and had better offers on the table. But even yeah,

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Speaker 3: I rolled my eyes at that too. But clearly the

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Speaker 3: market was not great for Joe Milton looking at what

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Speaker 3: the Patriots got back for.

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Speaker 4: You know, it was funny because when this happened, I

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Speaker 4: made a list, like I think it was maybe on

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Speaker 6: That were available still in free agency.

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Speaker 4: By Friday afternoon, I had to scratch two of them

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Speaker 4: off the list already because the Chargers ended up signing

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Speaker 6: How about that? Up to six point two million?

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Speaker 5: Okay? How about that? How about this? What would the

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Speaker 5: reaction have been? Okay?

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Speaker 3: You you talked about the reaction by the Cowboys trade

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Speaker 3: Joe Milton. Yeah, okay, and there's excitement, Okay, what would

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Speaker 6: Right? Oh? What are we doing?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 6: And a lot of that already wasted six million dollars.

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Speaker 4: Well you're hoping that about eleven twenty, okay, all right,

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Speaker 5: Teams like the.

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Speaker 4: And they had I want to say three three days

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Speaker 3: a moment. Anything on your legal pad there, Mickey, you

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Speaker 5: You do it?

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00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 4: I said it was starting to make me look old,

446
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 4: and she goes, you are old.

447
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 6: It's like, okay, thanks a lot, appreciate it.

448
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: Oh funny, how that works?

449
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 5: All right? Well, Danny, let me tell you this.

450
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 3: I worked at CBS eleven yesterday and I worked late.

451
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: I had a show at ten thirty at night. I

452
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: get home last night close to midnight. I picked up

453
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 3: a book that Mickey gave me called Danny White, Spotlights

454
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 3: and Shadows with daughter HJ.

455
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 5: Kennedy. Right here. I was up to two o'clock.

456
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: This morning reading your book. And I absolutely love this book.

457
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: I read it back from front cover to back cover. Now,

458
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: I didn't have to skip through because I needed to

459
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: go to bed at some point. I had to skip

460
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: through some of it. But I just absolutely love this book.

461
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 5: Danny.

462
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Bill. I appreciate it. It was a

463
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: lot of fun. I never I swore I would never

464
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: write a book, because it's just to me, writing a

465
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: book is just being presumptuous, you know, like I got

466
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 2: to say, and you need to hear it. And and

467
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: you know, but my kids, especially my daughter Heather, she

468
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: they talked me into it is mostly for her. She's

469
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: a certified life coach and she's written a book of

470
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: her own now and uh so and and they just

471
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 2: convinced me that, you know, I've lived kind of a

472
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: charmed life. I've had a lot of things go my

473
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: way and had some opportunities that most people don't get

474
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: to have and and would love to have, you know,

475
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: to be the quarterback of America's team and what and

476
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: and maybe there's some things that I ow to share.

477
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: And the stories started coming back, you know, and and

478
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: uh some of that stuff about coach Landry and and

479
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: coach Cush in college were we're just priceless and they've

480
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: all they've all got a real moral to them. Uh,

481
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 2: And that's what I was trying to do, was was

482
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: make it somehow make it apply to everyday life so

483
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: people could get something out of it. And that's what

484
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: I was hoping. I didn't want to write a sports book.

485
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: I wanted to write a self help or a motivational

486
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: book at least a little bit. And that's why all

487
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: the poetry and all that stuff. But I loved ended up.

488
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: When it was done, I was so glad I did it,

489
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: and so I hope people enjoy it.

490
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Danny that I was going to ask you that

491
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: that was the unique thing about this book because normally

492
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 4: when former players write a book, it's memory of this

493
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 4: game and this game and this story and all that

494
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. But yours was more in depth about

495
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 4: kind of emotional feelings you had about playing, Heather's thoughts

496
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 4: on growing up with a celebrity dad and what that

497
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: was like.

498
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: A celebrity dad who didn't ever want to be a celebrity,

499
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: right exactly.

500
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 6: And thus, thank you, thank you, thus.

501
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 4: The title of the book, right, And it was so

502
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 4: unique and and and you gave us some more of

503
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 4: the background kind of feelings you had about doing this job.

504
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 4: But being able to juggle raising a family at the

505
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 4: same time.

506
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: Well, it's about it's about priorities, mickey, you know, and

507
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: I think, and I hope, I hope. If nothing else,

508
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: the one thing people get out of it is that,

509
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: you know, we we all develop talents and have gifts,

510
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: and some are permanent and some are temporary, and unfortunately,

511
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: most of us spend a large amount of time most

512
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: of our life developing temporary talents. And by that I

513
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 2: mean stuff things you can't take with you, things that

514
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: are you know, I learned two skills in my life,

515
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: throwing a football and playing the piano. Well, thanks to

516
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: my mom, I spent eight years learning taking formal piano lessons.

517
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: I don't throw footballs anymore, you know, but I played

518
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: the piano every day and it's brought me so much

519
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: enjoyment and relaxation and all that and and so it's

520
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: it's it's developing things that are going to be around

521
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: your entire life and even beyond your life, you know, family, friends, faith.

522
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: Those are the things that I hope people got out

523
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: of it, That to me, at least, are the most

524
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: important things we can we can develop in our lives.

525
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about playing the piano, yes, and

526
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: how it affected your football career, you know, and for

527
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: most of us, Okay, I know myself. We had a

528
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: piano and I never my parents never made me take

529
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: piano lessons, but the piano sitting there, and I would

530
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: get on it occasionally and bang on it. And now,

531
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: after reading your book, I'm sitting there going And I

532
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: had a great friend growing up who could play the piano,

533
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: and then I was envious of him once we got

534
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: into high school in college because all the girls flocked

535
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: to him because at parties he could play the piano.

536
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: But you told a great story in here, how the

537
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: piano lessons and the discipline of every single day a

538
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: half hour on the piano, how it affected you as

539
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: a football player.

540
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. That And never had any clue, nor did my

541
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 2: mom that I was developing skills that would help me

542
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: as a as a quarterback. But the discipline of practicing

543
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: every day, her coming out and getting me off the

544
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: street a few times and dragging me in by the

545
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: here and slamming me down practiced the piano. But not

546
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: only that, but then you know, I got to the cowboy,

547
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: said Bob Ward sat me down in front of a

548
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: computer and said, take this test, and they started flashing

549
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: right hand, left foot, and I had these paddles and

550
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: I had to hit them and see how many you

551
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: can do in thirty seconds. And when I got done,

552
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: he just was standing there with his mouth open. He said,

553
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: do you happen to play the piano? And I said, well, yeah,

554
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: I do. What's that got to do with this? He said, well,

555
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: you look at notes on a page. Your eyes send

556
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: a message to your brain. Your brain sends a message

557
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 2: to your body, and you do what you see. And

558
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: the faster you can make that process work, the better

559
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: piano player you are. And I could just tell by

560
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: the way you take this now. So well, what's that

561
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: got to do with football? And he said, well, what

562
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: do you do as a quarterback? You look down the field,

563
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: you see an open receiver. Your eyes send a message

564
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: to your brain, Your brain sends a message to your body,

565
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: and you react to what you see. And the faster

566
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: you can do that, the quicker you can get the

567
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: ball to that receiver before the defense we had, the

568
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 2: better quarterback you are, you know, And man, I just

569
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: I never ever dreamed. Almost hours of knocking the ivory

570
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: off of those keys was going to actually, but anybody

571
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: that plays the piano will tell you that it is

572
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: so true. You have to anticipate and you and and

573
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: the quicker you can react to what you see, the

574
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: better you are both. And uh yeah, that's one of

575
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: the stories in the book. And uh it's it's it's

576
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: so true.

577
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: You know, the Cowboys are looking for a quarterback in

578
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: this draft, maybe maybe a drafted quarterback. I'm thinking Jerry

579
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: Jones is going to hear this and he's that's a

580
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: question now that's going to be asked to the quarterbacks.

581
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and Bob said that to me. He said,

582
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: you know, I found that players who play a musical

583
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: instrument make better athletes. And you know, of course Bob

584
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: Ward was a deep thinker and he he went for

585
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But you know, if they have a

586
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: piano in the quarterback room, I'm available.

587
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 5: There you go. All right.

588
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 6: So I thought I knew you awfully well.

589
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: We spent a lot of time, especially these last what

590
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: ten fifteen years when you were doing the Compass broadcast

591
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys radio broadcast, So I didn't know about

592
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: the piano playing, and I think I'd forgotten how good

593
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 4: a baseball player you were, and how did you make

594
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 4: that decision between Okay, I'm going to baseball or I'm

595
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: going to football.

596
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: Before you answer that question, let me for those who

597
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: aren't aware of how strong a baseball program Bobby Winkles

598
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: had at Arizona State. Here are a few of the

599
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: names that came out of the Arizona State baseball program

600
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: in the sixties and seventies. Sal Bando, Rick Monday, Reggie Jackson,

601
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: Larry Gurra, Randall went to Arizona State. I didn't realize

602
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: that Eddie Bain was.

603
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 5: Like football scholarship, did he really?

604
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's right.

605
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: And uh and and then it was probably after and

606
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 3: shortly after your time. Floyd Banister was there, Kenny Landrou

607
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: Bob Horner uh played there as well. I mean that

608
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: was a baseball factory. So now answer Mickey's question.

609
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's funny because yeah, I mean, baseball was

610
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: my my love growing up. Uh. And I got to

611
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 2: a s U and Bobby Winkles recruited me, and then

612
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: he left my freshman year and Jim Brock came in

613
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: and and a lot of things changed. I mean I

614
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: grew up going to all those baseball games and watching

615
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: them sprint from the from home played to the dugout

616
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: when they struck out, and sprint to first base if

617
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: they walked, and you know, it was just so much

618
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: fun watching those guys work the way they did, and

619
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: and that was that was part of the draw. But

620
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: my baseball career just just kind of took a nosedive.

621
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: In my football career. I went from being one of

622
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: five freshman quarterbacks playing one year of quarterback in high

623
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: school and going there as a punter and a defensive

624
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: back to becoming the starting quarterback my sophomore year. And

625
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: that is a long way to go in a short

626
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: period of time. And it was because of guys graduating, quitting, transferring,

627
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: and really Frank Cush was stuck with me and we

628
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: had a great team and all I had and he

629
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: told me before the first game is now white. All

630
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: you got to do is get the ball from the

631
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: center and give it to one of our guys without

632
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: dropping it, and we'll be fine. And that was his

633
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: pep talk, you know, And I kind of made a

634
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: career out of that, whether it was Woody Green and

635
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: Benny Malone and Steve Holden or Tony Dorsett and Herschel

636
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: Walker and Drew Pearson, and you know, I just always

637
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: was surrounded by great talent, and so my football career

638
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: just took off. We won the first three Fiesta Bowls.

639
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: We led the nation in scoring and offense. And so

640
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: my senior year I didn't even play baseball. I tell

641
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: the story in the book about striking out to make

642
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: the last out of the College World Series. That's a

643
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: story not many people know about until now, and but

644
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: that was the last time I played baseball.

645
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: If you would have if they would have let you hit,

646
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: then you wouldn't have struck.

647
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: Out though, if it would have let me swing at

648
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: And I was one of those guys that did everything

649
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: the coach. You know, there are times, and I learned

650
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: this kind of the hard way, when you as a

651
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: quarterback or as an athlete, you have to do what

652
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: you feel and not what the coach tells you to do.

653
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: And that was one of those times. The last play

654
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: of the forty nine er game Championship game after the

655
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: catch was another one of those times when I always

656
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: had done what I felt instead of what coach Landry

657
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: told me to do. So there are times like that

658
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: when you just got to go with with your feel

659
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: and that that was one of those times that I

660
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: had a two and o count and a fastball was coming,

661
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: and I could hit any fastball. Nolan Ryan couldn't throw

662
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: one by me, but I couldn't. If it broke a

663
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Speaker 2: quarter of an inch, I couldn't hit it.

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Speaker 5: That's why you became a quarterback.

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00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: That's why I became a quarterback. I'd still be riding

666
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: around on a bus in West Texas playing minor league

667
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: baseball if I hadn't been for that. I could hit

668
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: a curveball, but uh yeah, the next two pitches were curves.

669
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Speaker 2: And that was the end of my baseball career.

670
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Speaker 5: You know.

671
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Speaker 6: You you mentioned.

672
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 4: Things about how things you were fortunate, how things fell

673
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: for you, and I thought, the interesting thing, and I

674
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Speaker 4: think this is indicative of some of the story, as

675
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: you told in the book, is how you met your wife,

676
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Speaker 4: the mother of your children, and how important family became

677
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: to you. And I thought, maybe you can tell the

678
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 4: story of of when you first met her.

679
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: Are you talking about our first day? Yes, yeah, we

680
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: had just met. They just moved into town from Canada,

681
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: and and I'll tell this pretty quickly, but it was

682
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: homecoming and I asked her to go to homecoming with me,

683
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: and we we didn't even know each other hardly, and

684
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: she was not a big football fan. And I got

685
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: kicked in the head by one of my own players

686
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: early in the game, and I was out, I mean

687
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 2: I was out, and concussion and and all that went home.

688
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on it in front of the TV, watching

689
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: watching television. Mom walks in and says, Danny, didn't you

690
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: have a date with that new girl tonight? And I said, Mom,

691
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: I don't remember anything. So she said, well, I better

692
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: call him, And so she and joe Lyne had been

693
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: sitting there in her dress and all made up. She

694
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: didn't go the game. She didn't know what happened. And

695
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: now it's like eleven o'clock at night. And anyway, my

696
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: dad ended up driving me over and picking her because

697
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: I couldn't drive with Mike with a concussion. Picked her

698
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: up and we went down to Bob's Big Boy on

699
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: Main Street in Mates and went in and I bought

700
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: he of Hamburger, and my dad sat in the car

701
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: and waited for us, and we went back out. He

702
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: took us home and that was our first day. The

703
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: next day, I didn't remember a thing about it, and that.

704
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 5: Led to forty six years of marriage.

705
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: I must have done something right, I say, And how

706
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: many kids? Four? Four kids? Sixteen grandkids? And then and

707
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: then I just got remarried. She passed away six years

708
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: ago from brain cancer. And then and then I remarried

709
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: two years ago. And Linda has fifteen grandkids, so we

710
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: have thirty one between us and nine kids, and life

711
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 2: kind of started all over again.

712
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 6: You have lost.

713
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: Those are the kind of things. Those are the kind

714
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: of things I'm talking about that are that are really

715
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: really important to me anyway. And my football career is

716
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: kind of just a blur now.

717
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 6: And the poetry part too, right.

718
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I loved. I loved because that was how I

719
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: trained my brain for Landry's game plans. You know, we'd

720
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: get a game plan on Tuesday night and had to

721
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: have it memorized Wednesday for offensive day, and he would

722
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 2: change things up every week. He'd never run the same

723
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: play from the same formation two weeks in a row,

724
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: so we had to be able to memorize. And and

725
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 2: that was back before players had receivers in their helmet

726
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: and that you know, the to just talk to him

727
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: and call the play. That's probably the biggest thing that's

728
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: changed in the game since I played, at least the

729
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: quarterback position is being able to talk to the quarterback well,

730
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: so we have signals and we had to memorize all

731
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: that stuff. So I would train my brain by memorizing

732
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: poetry and I some of those not only were they

733
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 2: great to memorize, but they were inspirational as well.

734
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 3: You know, Uh, just reading reading the book, and uh,

735
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: I love how transparent both you and Heather Joe are

736
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: about the tragedies that have happened in your life.

737
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 5: You mentioned, uh, Joe Lynn's brain cancer, and.

738
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: I think for a lot of people it will help

739
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: them who are dealing with with things like that. I've

740
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: got a good friend it just was diagnosed, and you know,

741
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: uh that sort of thing. This book. I bring that

742
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: up to say that this this book goes far beyond football.

743
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 3: They're so many life lessons and one of the things

744
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 3: I love. I've three daughters coached him in basketball. Heather

745
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: Joe told a story on page one, twenty six. She said,

746
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: my parents are my biggest ride and die. I was

747
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: playing in a basketball game one time when I stole

748
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: the ball headed for a fast break as my defender turned,

749
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 3: I caught her foot on mine and took a good dive,

750
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: cracking my head loud on the hardwood. The referees didn't

751
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: stop the game, didn't even blow a whistle. Instead of

752
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: attending to me, they were focused on the game. So

753
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: in the middle of the game, my dad stormed the court.

754
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: Words were exchanged, and he was asked to exit the gym.

755
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: Your biggest fans should be concerned about one thing, you.

756
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: I guess I should have said there was an attempt

757
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 3: to throw him out of the game.

758
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: They weren't successful, exactly right, Bill. I told them. I

759
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: told them they better go get the Arizona National Guard

760
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: if they think they're going to give me that, because

761
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: I was sitting right behind him other she was on

762
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: the bench, and I mean, if you could have heard that,

763
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: the echo of her head getting the floor, I just

764
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: I freaked out, you know, and I did. I just

765
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: ran straight out into the middle of the game. And

766
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 2: I don't wonder you guys doing stop the game. And they, yeah,

767
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 2: they they tried to kick me out, but they didn't.

768
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: I didn't. Budge wasn't about.

769
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 5: She said, they let you stay in the gym.

770
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 3: I was fine by the way our trainer took care

771
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: of me while dad and the ref were facing off.

772
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 5: That made me feel better about my antics as a

773
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 5: youth basketball coach.

774
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: In the reference, parents can be the worst, can't they?

775
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: Or the best?

776
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 3: Again, it's a great example of there's stuff for parents

777
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 3: in here too.

778
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 6: I love this, I was gonna say, and me too.

779
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 4: Trying to help coach junior high fast pits girls software

780
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 4: and I to get thrown out of a game one time.

781
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: Well, I tried to help Joe Germaine here coach high school.

782
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: I got. I got thrown out of two games. I

783
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: had to go sit up in the booth and coach

784
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: from the boot because I just couldn't handle the officiated

785
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: high school officiating. Just oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, that's tough.

786
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: Well, and so now in your retirement life, are you

787
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: keeping just as busy as you ever were?

788
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: No? I hope not.

789
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 5: Well, you got how many grandchildren?

790
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: Thirty one?

791
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: There's got to be tons of games you have to

792
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 3: get to, right every Saturday.

793
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: Saturday Saturday is I mean, Linda goes one way and

794
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 2: I go the other way, and we divide and conquer

795
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: and try to get it done. But yeah, I'm then

796
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon dinners and and uh, there's a lot of

797
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: stuff going on. But you know what, I went for

798
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: a number of years by myself, and fortunately I had

799
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: my kids, you know, around me. But I'm not one

800
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: of those guys. Some guys can live by themselves. I'm

801
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: not one of them. So I'll take it. I'll I'll

802
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 2: take of being busy any day over just having nothing

803
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: to do.

804
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 5: And grandparenting.

805
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: You know the importance of the parents and the grandparents

806
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: being at the games because you lived it with your

807
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 3: great parents that you had.

808
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 6: Well, do you have a roster on your refrigerator? What

809
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 6: everybody's name?

810
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: All the grandkids have it in my phone? Yeah, not

811
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: on the fridge. I can't carry that fridge around in

812
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: the car with me. I gotta have it with me

813
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: at all times. But you know, I just personally, I

814
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: think it's one of the real problems in our society

815
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: and our culture today is just parents. Either they're not

816
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: there at all, or they're too soft, or you know,

817
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: I've got an answer for everything, and that's that's one

818
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: of my answers, is parenting. Good parenting will solve a

819
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: lot of problems.

820
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: Well, I think people need to be able to read

821
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 4: your book. So it's Danny White Spotlight and Shadows.

822
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 6: And you can go to.

823
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 4: Amazon dot com and you can get a copy on Kindle.

824
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 4: You can get a hardcover copy or a paper back copy.

825
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 4: And I suggest that if you're interested in a career.

826
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 6: That Danny White made for himself.

827
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 4: And the family he raised and how he was raised

828
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 4: by a very strict father, I think you would enjoy

829
00:46:59,480 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: this book.

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00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: And and Vicky also they if they want to sign

831
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: the copy, if they go to my website Danny White

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Speaker 2: dot com, they can get U We'll sign one and

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Speaker 2: send it to them.

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Speaker 6: Oh very nice, Well, very good.

835
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Speaker 5: I love it.

836
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to read it again. I just I was

837
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: able to. Like I said, go slow down. I can

838
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: slow down and take it all in.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sitting before I go to bed to

841
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: night after the National Championship game tonight, I'll read Danny

842
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 3: White Spotlights and Shadows once again.

843
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: And while well, I'm impressed. Bill, you're one of those

844
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: guys that can read with one eye closed. I guess

845
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: that's great.

846
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 4: And by the way, kudos to Heather too. I thought

847
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 4: her insight in the book was invaluable. She's She's spot

848
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 4: on with her memories and how that affected the relationship.

849
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 6: You had with your daughter, how it affected her life.

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00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: I am just a little bit proud of her.

851
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 6: I could imagine.

852
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: Well, Danny, we appreciate it and hope to see you

853
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: soon and hopefully this Cowboys team can win some games

854
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: for you.

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00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me on, guys, Let's do it

856
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: again sometime. I'd love to.

857
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 4: Absolutely this was a fun trip down memory lane, especially

858
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 4: your memory lane.

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00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: It was what's left of it.

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00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, the great Danny White here on mix Shots. Thanks

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Speaker 3: Danny again. The book is Spotlights and Shadows with his

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Speaker 3: daughter Heather Joe Kennedy. Thanks Danny and mix Shots continues

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Speaker 3: All Right, final segment here mixed shots, got nine minutes left.

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Speaker 3: Great to have Danny White on and I'm serious, that's

908
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 3: make sure you've especially you're Danny White fan going back

909
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 3: to when he was playing for the Cowboys. I think

910
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: this book is well worth it. It gives you an

911
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 3: insight into Danny the person and his family, and there

912
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: are a lot of life lessons in that.

913
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 4: Book, and he had and he was right, He had

914
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 4: a lot of fortunate things happen for him to end

915
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 4: up being. You know, the Cowboys started off as the

916
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 4: punter right after he started his career at WFL World

917
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 4: Football League with the Memphis.

918
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: The show Memphis Southmans.

919
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a weird name. Anyway, two years there

920
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 4: the league folded. The Cowboys had taken and they knew

921
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: he'd signed a personal services contract with the Southmen, and

922
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 4: the Cowboys took a third year, a third round flyer

923
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 4: on him, thinking that the WFL would eventually fold, which

924
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 4: it did, and in seventy six he came to the Cowboys.

925
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 4: And how fortunate was he by landing with the Cowboys

926
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 4: and as the backup quarterback that year they had traded

927
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 4: away Craig Morton and Clint Longley was the backup gets

928
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 4: in the infamous fight in the locker room with Roger Staubach,

929
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 4: he leaves, the Cowboys get rid of him, and suddenly

930
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 4: he's the backup quarterback in nineteen seventy six, and the

931
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Speaker 4: punter too, by the.

932
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Speaker 5: Way, that's right, all right.

933
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Speaker 3: In our final few minutes some things to talk about.

934
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 3: Of course, the annual NFL Annual meetings happened last week

935
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 3: since we got together. They were in the middle of

936
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: the meetings when.

937
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 5: We write it.

938
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 3: That's right last Monday.

939
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 5: The rules were they've tabled the tush push till May.

940
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be able to word that

941
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: where we're not going to see the tush push done

942
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: the way.

943
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 6: Well what they need to do, and this was a

944
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 6: simple fight.

945
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 4: My thought was, you just go back to the rule

946
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 4: that was in the NFL through two thousand and four

947
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 4: that there was no pushing players from behind, and that

948
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 4: that encompasses the running back going up the middle and

949
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 4: five offensive linemen getting behind him and all of a

950
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 4: sudden it keeps going, going and going. That's where it's dangerous.

951
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna get hurt doing that, and that would include

952
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 4: the tush push. So it's not like I'm outlawing one

953
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: team's play and.

954
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: The Eagles or anyone else they can line up like

955
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 3: they they've done the tush push. You just can't put

956
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 3: someone behind the quarterback pushing them right exactly. All you

957
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: have to do to change the rule, and whether it's

958
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: a quarterback or any other spot on the field. You

959
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: can't push a player forward.

960
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 4: And I think that's what and even Roger Goodell pointed

961
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 4: that out. He brought up the other pushes that go

962
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 4: on because the defense can't get pushed.

963
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 5: And it doesn't even have to be a penalty.

964
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 6: Right.

965
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: What you can do is it's almost like forward progress.

966
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: A guy dash is from behind, that's that's where that's

967
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: where it's marked. That play's over, that's where it's run

968
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 3: the next down from.

969
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: And the other rule changes they did, I'm all for,

970
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 4: why would you have one rule for overtime in the

971
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 4: playoffs and not have it during the regular season where

972
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 4: each team gets a possession.

973
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Speaker 6: So that passed.

974
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 3: The touchbacks out to the thirty five yards which will

975
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 3: help be significant.

976
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 4: Yes, And then and then giving more jurisdiction to the

977
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 4: video replay assist from the official up in the booth

978
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 4: that all he has to do is see something's wrong

979
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 4: and buzz down and say, hey, fix this.

980
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 6: It doesn't have to be challenged. We don't need a replay.

981
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 4: You either missed the call or you got the call wrong.

982
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 4: And they expanded what that guy can do up in

983
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 4: the in the coach in the basically the replay booth.

984
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 3: All Right, as I mentioned off the top of the show,

985
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: I've been I've been able to really aren't filling up

986
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: my big green notebook looking at these prospects. And I

987
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: actually love this time in my process because there's a

988
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: certain I've got so many other things I have to

989
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: do it. I'm not like the Brian Brodis's and Dame

990
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: Bruglers of the world, who can go ahead and do

991
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: it a lot of bills like yemens and all that,

992
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: and so now's the time, and this is when I

993
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 3: get really interested. And so I just if I'm not

994
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 3: staying up late reading Danny White's book, I'm staying.

995
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 5: Up late looking at draft prospects.

996
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: And just like on Friday afternoon, I'm going through these

997
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 3: wide receivers, and I'm not going through the top wrong

998
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: wide receivers. I'm Okay, what options do the Cowboys have

999
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 3: in the mid rounds with wide receivers? And you have

1000
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: to know this stuff to know whether you have to

1001
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 3: take that Tep McMillan in the first round or Matthew

1002
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 3: Golden in the first round. Well, can you fill another

1003
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: position there? If every if all things being equal, if

1004
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 3: you're choosing between a wide receiver or a corner back

1005
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 3: or line back or whatever it might be. You got

1006
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 3: to know how deep the positions are throughout the draft.

1007
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 3: And so I'm going through on one page here, I

1008
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 3: got four wide receivers that are probably projected to be

1009
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: anywhere from third to fifth round picks. I'm going I

1010
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 3: like that guy. Oh, I like that guy. I mean,

1011
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of guys that now can they And

1012
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 3: I'm looking at guys who can eventually be number two receivers. Obviously,

1013
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: if you're looking for someone who can be a CD Lamb,

1014
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: it's probably going to be a first round pick. Now,

1015
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 3: there are occasions Pookin Nakua, who was a fifth round

1016
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 3: pick and it's now the number one receiver along with

1017
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams with the rams he had, Amen Ross Saint

1018
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: Brown who was a fourth round pick for the Lions

1019
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 3: who emerged as a top rung receiver, Stefan Diggs going

1020
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 3: back further, and so you can find guys like that.

1021
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 6: Just percentages aren't with right right.

1022
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 3: But you can find good quality receivers in the third

1023
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 3: the fifth rounds, and the same goes for other positions.

1024
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 3: I mean, this draft you've got a bunch of defensive linemen.

1025
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 3: You've got a bunch of edge rushers that can be contributors.

1026
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 3: And really, the way I look at it is, I'm

1027
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: looking at guys not so much for this year, although

1028
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 3: you want them to contribute their rookie year when you're

1029
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: talking about mid round guys, but who are guys that

1030
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: can eventually be a starter in this league. They can

1031
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 3: fill a role right now and then like what the

1032
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: Cowboys did four years ago getting OsO, Digga Zua and

1033
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: Chauncey Golston. And Osa came on quicker than Golston did,

1034
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: but we saw what Golston was able to do this

1035
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 3: last year. There are a bunch of players like that

1036
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 3: that you can get on the defensive line in the

1037
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: third round.

1038
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 6: And that's what.

1039
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 4: Especially that second day, the second and third round picks.

1040
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 4: And again, so I had asked you the question the

1041
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 4: depth of those positions, which of those positions the Cowboys

1042
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 4: would be interest has the least amount of depth that

1043
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 4: you'd say you better get that guy in the first one.

1044
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 5: Well, and then where's yeah, where's the drop off?

1045
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: Right? And and see you look at the running back

1046
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 3: position and it's a deep draft of good running backs. Okay,

1047
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: now it's going to be interesting to see how quickly

1048
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: they start coming off the board because it's a deep

1049
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 3: draft of good running backs, right.

1050
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1051
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 3: However, I'm thinking that some of those running backs are

1052
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 3: so good that teams are going to think, well, I

1053
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: don't want to wait all the way to the fourth round.

1054
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: I got to get my guy in the second or

1055
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 3: third round otherwise, because we love these guys so much.

1056
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 4: Thanks to Saquon Barkley, by the way, well now showing

1057
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 4: how important the running back can be, yep.

1058
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 5: And wide receivers.

1059
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 3: They might wait on wide receivers because you have of

1060
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 3: those top one hundred type players or to say, top

1061
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 3: fifth d type players you probably for the first time

1062
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 3: have in a while. You've got more running backs than

1063
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 3: wide receivers. Probably that or at least that many that

1064
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 3: fit into that mix.

1065
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 6: Where do cornerbacks fit in?

1066
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: You know, I haven't I haven't dug deep enough into

1067
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 3: the depth of the cornerbacks yet, but I mean there

1068
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 3: are good cornerbacks and one that the Cowboys need to

1069
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 3: really consider in the first round. Who you looked at

1070
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 3: down in Austin, John A. Barn and what I like

1071
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 3: about him? As much as anything beyond what I see

1072
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: on film. He checks all the boxes as far as

1073
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 3: being a quality, high character, smart player who is a

1074
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 3: barring injury, I think is going to have a long career.

1075
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 4: And the thing that stood out to me most just

1076
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 4: listening to his interview afterwards was his confidence.

1077
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 6: This is a confident.

1078
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 4: Guy and if your cornerback, you better have that because

1079
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 4: you are going to get beat. So how do you

1080
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 4: respond to that?

1081
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 3: And think of the competition that he's gone up against,

1082
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 3: especially this year in the SEC and then in the

1083
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 3: College Football Playoff. Not only this year but also last year.

1084
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: He went up against those Oregon guys in the in

1085
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 3: the National semifinal last year in Oregon had all those

1086
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 3: good wide receivers. This year going up against Ohio State,

1087
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 3: and so you have some real tape to look at

1088
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 3: against NFL quality players, and so you make a good

1089
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 3: judgment on someone like.

1090
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 4: Beer and a lot of that position seemingly is getting

1091
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 4: overlooked because you lose Jordan Lewis the Cowboys right now,

1092
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 4: if they're going to start whenever, it's Doron Bland and

1093
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 4: tell me who you know.

1094
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 6: I know they.

1095
01:01:55,480 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 4: Traded for a career Kyral, but this is a guy

1096
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 4: that you know, Okay is a former high pick, but

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Speaker 4: he hasn't really bled a drop in the league so far,

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Speaker 4: and so I don't think they can sit there and

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Speaker 4: say Trayvon Diggs is going to be ready to go

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Speaker 4: for the opening of the season.

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Speaker 3: And I think you got to look at both Diggs

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Speaker 3: and Overshown as guys that in your own mind as

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Speaker 3: you're planning out this year, is what are you doing

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Speaker 3: at cornerback and linebackers right? Because you cannot count on

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Speaker 3: them being there the first half of that And.

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Speaker 4: I think for sure Overshown he's not going to get

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Speaker 4: back in time. He'll be on pup to start the season.

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Speaker 4: He'll be on pup to start training camp. And Trayvon Diggs,

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Speaker 4: you know we're going to see here in a in

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Speaker 4: a little bit if when they start their offseason program,

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Speaker 4: is he here rehabbing.

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Speaker 6: I see Dak every day.

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Speaker 3: But I do think your first round pick has to

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Speaker 3: be a guy who can step on the field and

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Speaker 3: place absolutely and start immediately.

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Speaker 5: Picking at number twelve.

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Speaker 4: And the second round guy too, when we're looking at

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Speaker 4: defensive lineman also, which we didn't.

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Speaker 3: Even well it'd been in a rotation on the defensive

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Speaker 3: linefe So yeah, yeah, because I don't think just like

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Speaker 3: mcneiland last year.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he was in a rotation last year.

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Speaker 4: And so now if he can step up and be

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Speaker 4: a guy, right, and Sam Williams comes back as the

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Speaker 4: player they thought they were going to have until he

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Speaker 4: tore his acl and Micah Parsons which we didn't even

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Speaker 4: touch all that business.

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Speaker 3: But even as far as the edge rushers going, I know,

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Speaker 3: we're out of time here. Even as far as the

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Speaker 3: edge rushers go, you got to keep in mind, and

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Speaker 3: this is this ups the need for edge rushers, is

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Speaker 3: that Williams is in the last year of his contract.

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Speaker 3: Dante Fowlers on a one year deal as well, and.

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Speaker 4: You know, and he may be best as a rotation guy,

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Speaker 4: not having to play.

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Speaker 6: He had snaps a.

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Speaker 3: Game, yeah, and he and that's what he's been lately.

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Speaker 3: He had a little over five hundred snaps with Washington

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Speaker 3: last year, but the year before with Dallas he was

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Speaker 3: around three hundred snaps. And that's basically what Sam Williams

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Speaker 3: has topped out in the first two years of his career.

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Speaker 4: And even five hundred snaps, that's probably that's half of

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Speaker 4: thirty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: It's you.

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Speaker 3: You typically will get eleven hundred snaps in a season

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Speaker 3: on defense, and so that's about fifty percent of the

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Speaker 3: snaps anyway, all right, thanks to Danny White for joining

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Speaker 3: us here ever since. We'll be back next week and

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Speaker 3: we will see you again next Monday at eleven on

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Speaker 3: mix Shots.

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Speaker 6: See.

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