WEBVTT - Conversations About BIG and PAC

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<v Speaker 1>What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>And welcome back to another episode of No Sealer's Podcast

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<v Speaker 2>with your hosts Now fuck That with your loaw Glasses Malone.

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<v Speaker 1>So on what's happening man?

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<v Speaker 3>What's had? Then? Og Glasses appreciate y'all man for having

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<v Speaker 3>me on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, what you know about big and pop situation?

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<v Speaker 3>Big and punk?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you really remember? Like you you you just

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<v Speaker 1>you just at the age to really remember you you you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you were super tapped in, but

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was tapped into hip hop at that time. It

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of it had the whole world's mainstay. Mmm,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you remember now? You know it, don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to don't worry if it's uh the facts or not.

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<v Speaker 2>But what do you remember what their beef was over?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like you can give a general perception

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<v Speaker 2>of it from somebody in that time period, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Like, what do you remember it was about?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I thought, I mean, I just go ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry about it. Did it come down did it

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<v Speaker 2>come down to the faith yams faith?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's what I thought. Eventually it came down to

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<v Speaker 3>somebody messing with somebody chick. But it could like.

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<v Speaker 1>It may not even been them.

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<v Speaker 3>It could have just been entourage based.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I remember, what did you hear about why you

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<v Speaker 2>remember when Tupac got shot in New York?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do you remember about it? Your tron were Big?

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, Well, Pap was shooting a movie and Big had

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<v Speaker 3>told him, like to watch out for these watch out

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<v Speaker 3>for these dudes and watch who you roll with. And

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<v Speaker 3>Pop went up to Believe Quad Studios and they he

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<v Speaker 3>saw a little seeds up in the studio and Big

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<v Speaker 3>was up there recording, and then I guess they tried

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<v Speaker 3>to rob them in Poc, and Poc was upset because

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<v Speaker 3>like if this is your city, like Biggie, this is

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<v Speaker 3>your city, but these these nigga, these dudes and rob me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Pete, what do you remember hearing about that? You're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of young, You're younger both of us.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you remember hearing about that exact incident or

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<v Speaker 4>about the broader first? Yeah, I remember being Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 4>one of those things where it became a controversi ast

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<v Speaker 4>to whether it was a setup or not. It seemed

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<v Speaker 4>like a lot of stuff got leveraged and expanded in

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<v Speaker 4>that whole deal, like it went from being like small

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<v Speaker 4>to multi dimensional and broader as it went out. And

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<v Speaker 4>with that matter, I remember being like sort of loosely

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<v Speaker 4>reported to the extent that the reporting was of inequality about.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this.

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<v Speaker 4>Was it a setup or was it like perceived as

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<v Speaker 4>a setup at the very least by Pack, which led

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<v Speaker 4>to animosity.

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<v Speaker 2>So like the Big said pocup Yeah, okay, Tom, So

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<v Speaker 2>why do you remember Poc being mad at Big? Why

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<v Speaker 2>was Pac Maddy Big? Was it just a part of

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<v Speaker 2>this is your city?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, basically like this is your city. You're the number

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<v Speaker 3>one rapper in New York right now. You should you

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<v Speaker 3>should know. Even the the young dudes running running around

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<v Speaker 3>the neighborhood, you should know. You should me them being

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<v Speaker 3>friends with each other like them.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess Pac used to let Big sleep on the

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<v Speaker 3>couch like it's like you POC's thinking, like you my

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<v Speaker 3>man's and I'm in your city getting robbed, kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like if you go to l A, like if you

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<v Speaker 3>I guess if you check in, you're supposed to be good.

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<v Speaker 3>So I guess Tupac felt like, well, Pac was from

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<v Speaker 3>New York too, But I guess Pac was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Po's from New York too, So why would he have

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<v Speaker 3>to check in?

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<v Speaker 4>That's like the whole thing seems so stupid, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>thinking about it, like like you a rapper, you can

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<v Speaker 4>control what everybody on the streets is gonna do or doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is why I wanted to have this conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with y'all. I saw this dope interview with Clark Kent.

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<v Speaker 2>Clark Kent is a really dope producer from that time

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<v Speaker 2>period in New York, real managed dope, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>saying he was upset. He said he never let it

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<v Speaker 2>go right because he felt Biggie was killed because Tupac

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<v Speaker 2>lied about what happened at Quad Studio shooting hm right,

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<v Speaker 2>which goes to your point tone where you were saying

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<v Speaker 2>that became the narrative, right, So there was a combination

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<v Speaker 2>of narratives where it was a narrative that he was

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<v Speaker 2>upset because Big knew what was going on. It's supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be your city. But then when you think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>Pop and most of his entorize was theoretically initially from

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<v Speaker 2>these coasts, so they have relationships with a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>people from the East Coast as well. Right, Yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 2>told friends and certain friends in private. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I'm saying it in public, and obviously it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be rough for me because people saw Tupac must

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<v Speaker 2>die and they made that this huge thing, like as

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<v Speaker 2>if I have a campaign against Tupac versus me doing

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<v Speaker 2>what I do great, which is explaining gangbanging. That's my

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<v Speaker 2>job to translate gangbanging, right, People felt that Tupac, like

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<v Speaker 2>at that time, Biggie, had something to do with his

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<v Speaker 2>shooting at Qua Studios. The the general interpretation of the

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<v Speaker 2>public was that Biggie set him up, That's why he

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<v Speaker 2>made who shot you. Then you had the other people

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<v Speaker 2>that were saying what you were saying, which is, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Quite know like he should have.

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<v Speaker 2>If you the King of New York, how you didn't know,

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<v Speaker 2>which that could have been something POC misled.

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<v Speaker 1>People also were saying. But the reality is.

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<v Speaker 2>And like can say it now with facts and faith,

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<v Speaker 2>they knew what happened with Tupac.

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<v Speaker 1>M they knew Tupac knew what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if the laws actually talk about it, they

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<v Speaker 2>knew what happened everybody around If you was dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>Pac at that time, and I don't think our laws

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<v Speaker 2>was dealing with Pack at that time, but I knew

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<v Speaker 2>they knew what happened at that point when they came around,

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<v Speaker 2>they knew what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>That Tupac had nothing to do with Big at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so this was an isolated incident that had nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to do with Biggie.

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<v Speaker 2>This is about POC's relationship with another power figure in

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<v Speaker 2>New York. Okay, you know what I mean, and some

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<v Speaker 2>business or to some dealings that went bad to some degree.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what happened, and they know it, and Tupac knew it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've told my friend this and it hurts his feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to my boy Ron run out the Raymonds.

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<v Speaker 2>Good dude, good brother, really smart, real financial savvy brother.

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<v Speaker 2>But I always would tell him, I'm like Pac went

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<v Speaker 2>to jail, And if you look at his book list

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<v Speaker 2>when he went to prison, Pac didn't go into prison

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<v Speaker 2>upset that big.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could add, but he wasn't. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>upset that big in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you look at Pok's booklests, at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>Poc realized how beef worked, how war work, how financially

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<v Speaker 2>valuable it was to be at war.

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<v Speaker 3>So was this so you you think that was a

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<v Speaker 3>market employee from too one.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred and seventeen percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, the marketing genius came out of him exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the crazy part.

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<v Speaker 2>As I'm telling my homie, he's like he felt like again,

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<v Speaker 2>like when I explained Tupaca much, he felt like it

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<v Speaker 2>was a disc and I'm like, it's not. This speaks

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<v Speaker 2>to Tupac's brilliance of him understanding how to create a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy situation, you know what I mean, and make it

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<v Speaker 2>profitable and launch him into the you know, launch him

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<v Speaker 2>out of the solar system as far as it. Stardom

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<v Speaker 2>goes like he it was over. And the more you

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<v Speaker 2>think about it. With Clark Kit being upset, I understand why.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also get that Tupac knew as long as

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<v Speaker 2>he was alive, nothing was going to happen to Big,

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<v Speaker 2>So he can allow the marketing strategy to work perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>He can allow the marketing strategy to be everything he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted it to be because he knew nothing would happen

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<v Speaker 2>to be death Row and bad Boy ran into each

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<v Speaker 2>other two or three times. No nobody even scratched each other,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody even pinched each other. Ever, just a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>yelling and theatrics for the camera, but nobody when they

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<v Speaker 2>met face to face. If it was on, they would

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<v Speaker 2>a squabble because death Row was notoriously known for squabbles

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<v Speaker 2>and bad Boy had a history of doing a thing too,

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<v Speaker 2>so they ran into each other multiple times. Matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the last interviews, Tupac was talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>fact when Tupac and Snoop was sitting next to each other,

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<v Speaker 2>they were talking about the fact that Bad Boy was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be here, and they were saying, like, it's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to really worry about. But the energy that was going

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<v Speaker 2>on with records at the time, and the conversation that

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<v Speaker 2>the mainstream media and you know, Vibe and everybody was creating,

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<v Speaker 2>you would have thought it had to be on when they.

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<v Speaker 1>Seen each other.

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<v Speaker 2>This is no Sinner's gl My man Pete in the

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<v Speaker 2>spot I Got My Boy Tone Tone one of the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest podcasts coming out of the West. Thank representative, amazing brother, funny, hilarious,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know a little something about boxing do his thing, man,

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<v Speaker 2>but really, more than anything and amazing personality.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me really dope power. Coo sel Vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just turned you onto somebody that's new. That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So y'all gotta get with.

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<v Speaker 3>Him, man, salute man, appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 4>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>So back to the point, I genuinely I know it

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<v Speaker 2>was a marketing strategy. Now, I know you thinks Big

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<v Speaker 2>was on it, on it not Big. See, Big never participated.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so it was Big yelling like, man, like this

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<v Speaker 3>is cap like this is that's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Whole time Big was saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>Big the whole time was like man, this is bullshit,

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is being alive at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was in high school at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Big like this bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Big never dissed him, Like Big probably made this

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<v Speaker 2>is and thought about participating and thought about trying, but

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<v Speaker 2>he realized he couldn't feed into it.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm.

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<v Speaker 2>But Big whole narrative the whole time, Like man, that

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<v Speaker 2>shit bullshit. I don't know what the fuck is wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>Puff?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Puff played into some of these things. So Puff

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<v Speaker 2>Puff dropped who shot you with certain things at times

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<v Speaker 2>strategically to benefit off of what was going on on

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<v Speaker 2>the streets. But I don't think Puff saw it. Ass Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this is puff idea. But because

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<v Speaker 2>he's over the label. I know that it's going through

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<v Speaker 2>him for the decision. It's not even going through Big

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<v Speaker 2>as much for the decision. Puff is running bad boy

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. So even if someone else came up

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<v Speaker 2>with the idea to drop who Shot You after Pop

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<v Speaker 2>got shot, that's not that's nothing to do with Big

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<v Speaker 2>because they had already Premier said they already did the song.

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<v Speaker 3>So they were wrecked before.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't Who Shot You is not about Pop, Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just dropped.

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<v Speaker 1>Around that time, so it became ominous. But Big really

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<v Speaker 1>gets a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of slack from it from real pop true fans, believing

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<v Speaker 2>that like he wrote the song because of something to

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<v Speaker 2>do with Pop, and it's like it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really literally just Big.

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<v Speaker 2>Rapping and then somebody a bad boy decided this would

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<v Speaker 2>be an opportune time to drop the song.

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<v Speaker 3>Marketing, marketing, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I think Pop understood when he came

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<v Speaker 2>home from prison. He changed his marketing strategy. So I

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<v Speaker 2>genuinely think there were real facets of that East Coast

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<v Speaker 2>West Coast shit, right. I know, Death Row Sugar Puff

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<v Speaker 2>had some issues, you know what I mean over what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to Jake from Campanella. He got killed in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, whatever happened, it was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>close to the Bad Boy Camp. I don't quite know

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<v Speaker 2>the whole I can find out, but I just really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of want to mind my business on that. The

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<v Speaker 2>situation that happened with Snoop and tray D and the

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<v Speaker 2>Dog Pound and them going to New York and word

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<v Speaker 2>was Biggie. You know, they felt that the song was

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<v Speaker 2>a New York disc What the New York Big City? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they were shooting the video in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>He stumped the buildings.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so, this is the tricky part. Yes, so what

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<v Speaker 1>the Dog Pound?

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<v Speaker 2>What corrupt says is that wasn't the initial direction of

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<v Speaker 2>the video. Now I don't know if it's true or not.

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<v Speaker 2>They said the video was something different. The goal was

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<v Speaker 2>to have all the New York legends come down and

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<v Speaker 2>show love to them. But somewhere along the line, word

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<v Speaker 2>was I've never heard the video. I heard, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the audio, but I heard it exists on the radio

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<v Speaker 2>where Big called into the radio station and said, yo, y'all,

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<v Speaker 2>let these niggas come to New York in disrespect all

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<v Speaker 2>niggas trip and blah blah blah, and that's what led

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<v Speaker 2>to the video shoot kind of being shot up at least.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there were subdual hints of what was going

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<v Speaker 2>on between the East and West, but I think the

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<v Speaker 2>people within could manage it. But when Pac saw all

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<v Speaker 2>of this and was aware of all of this stuff happening,

0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.319
<v Speaker 2>he looked at it like a marketing opportunity to launch

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<v Speaker 2>himself above the game. I genuinely believe that whole shit

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<v Speaker 2>was marketing.

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<v Speaker 3>Dang, But yeah, Pac always said he knew how to

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<v Speaker 3>sell records, and that was it was equally beneficial for

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<v Speaker 3>both parties because it made Biggie bigger and it made

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<v Speaker 3>both of.

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<v Speaker 1>Them tears down.

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<v Speaker 2>But Biggie just didn't participate. Okay, big was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't. This shit looked crazy. I remember seeing interviews

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<v Speaker 2>with him at the time, like nah. But genuinely, this

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<v Speaker 2>was all a marketing strategy, And that's why there was

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<v Speaker 2>never no real shit between them that happened, because everything

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<v Speaker 2>that was real some shit happened, Like when Luke was

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<v Speaker 2>beefing with death Row, they actually had a fight. Oh damn,

0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:21.720
<v Speaker 2>easy E was going at it with death Row Ruthless

0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.280
<v Speaker 2>and death Row Above the Law and death Row had

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<v Speaker 2>a fight, like people, you're gonna see each other and

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<v Speaker 2>you'll have your time to squabble, you know what I mean.

0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:33.440
<v Speaker 2>So the fact that death Row and bad Boy would

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<v Speaker 2>see each other and not fight confirmed to my logic

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<v Speaker 2>that it was just marketing.

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<v Speaker 1>There was an interview I saw where Pop even.

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<v Speaker 2>Said it was like, I think it was a part

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<v Speaker 2>of a lost interview. I'm not sure which one, but

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<v Speaker 2>they were talking asking him about what could you do

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<v Speaker 2>in the future, could you and Big work in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>and he just was like, yeah, that wouldn't be no problem,

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<v Speaker 2>feel me longest day, blah blah blah, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>you could just tell at that.

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<v Speaker 1>Point his plan had worked and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Always saw a way out of it. He always saw

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<v Speaker 2>a way out of it. Yeah, I mean, he always

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<v Speaker 2>knew he could end it when he wanted to. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think part of that is because he saw when you

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<v Speaker 2>say that, well, because once he realized Big wouldn't get involved,

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<v Speaker 2>like Big would only say subdue things like Big was

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<v Speaker 2>not going to participate. Big was not going to drop

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<v Speaker 2>his own version to hit him up. Big was not

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<v Speaker 2>going to get involved, and drop this song with him,

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<v Speaker 2>so he realized he won the situation and he could

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<v Speaker 2>end it when he wanted to and come together and

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<v Speaker 2>make records with him.

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<v Speaker 1>He talked about it. You just got a YouTube and

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find an interview. But it's really dope.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I always wondered why Biggie never got busy on pop.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like he couldn't like Big. He was phenomenal,

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<v Speaker 3>But I was like, was it just purely Diddy? Like, nah,

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<v Speaker 3>just stay away from that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Puff could have told Big at that

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<v Speaker 2>time to not drop a d I think even if

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<v Speaker 2>Puff wouldn't have put it out through the label, it

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<v Speaker 2>would have came through the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think with them Big it had.

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<v Speaker 2>To be something that makes him say, man, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>even gonna participate. You know, I would love to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Sees or or somebody next time. Matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do a part two on our August seas

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<v Speaker 2>and get Sees or Gutter or somebody who was around

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<v Speaker 2>him at that time to talk about why he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>ever get involved. But I knew he had to make

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<v Speaker 2>a conscious decision to never release anything. I'm sure in

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<v Speaker 2>the studio Becuz got some shit, he asked some shit

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<v Speaker 2>lined up, you know what I mean? As MC, you

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<v Speaker 2>start to pin shit immediately. I mean, but why he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't ever participate is a different story.

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<v Speaker 3>But do you think he recorded because on the the

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<v Speaker 3>jay Z reasonable that album with I think it's Brooklyn's finest.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of my favorite songs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Biggie was like, if they pad twins, she probably

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<v Speaker 2>like that was the closest he would entertain it. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've heard stories from people like as I start

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, kind of search throughout this conversation and

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<v Speaker 2>throughout this situation here, people say going back to Cali

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<v Speaker 2>as a disc record, that can't be a disrespectful record. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean people felt like Big made the worst decision

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<v Speaker 2>coming back to California six months after Pop got killed. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like, if you didn't have anything to do

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<v Speaker 2>with it, you know what I'm saying, I would imagine

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't be worried about it. Now as a gang member,

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<v Speaker 2>I would think about it differently because I know Niggas

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<v Speaker 2>is looking at me as a prime suspect. I know

0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Niggas is retarded, right, So you know I knew niggas

0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.479
<v Speaker 2>would have attitude even like no matter how you look

0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:47.359
<v Speaker 2>at it, you size it up even you know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's an interesting question. Go ahead, like you think in La,

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<v Speaker 4>like god like, like anybody in LA that would actually

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<v Speaker 4>be with the shit enough to do that wasn't conscious

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<v Speaker 4>of what really went on to a degree or was

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<v Speaker 4>that detached from reality to actually say I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 4>get it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're seeing what happened with Big. Yeah, big Ship was

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<v Speaker 1>a hit though.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm saying, though, Like I'm not saying no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying in response to what happened with Pac,

0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.399
<v Speaker 4>the mentality of people who really on the streets in

0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:29.359
<v Speaker 4>LA were not perceiving that you'd be way out in

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<v Speaker 4>the suburbs. They perceived, oh yeah, bad boy took out Pac.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, is it vib All the guys from

0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.200
<v Speaker 4>from Inglewood like really thought, oh man, no, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>go get Bigger. We see him, we gonna get him.

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<v Speaker 2>Did we think initially like right, so at this point

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fut fair selling dope, I'm in high.

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<v Speaker 1>School, gang bang and whatever, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, none of us thought what happened with Big had

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<v Speaker 2>anything to do with what happened to Pac had anything

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<v Speaker 2>to do with Big None of us thought that we actually,

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<v Speaker 2>in real time knew that they got into it the

0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:03.359
<v Speaker 2>South Sides and they had junked.

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<v Speaker 1>On Baby Lane.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone pretty much put two and two together, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's soon still an assumption that you know, the South's

0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:16.760
<v Speaker 2>got at pop over what they did the Baby Lane.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm from yeah, I say, you feel that extended

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<v Speaker 4>all the way to Inglewood or to the schools or

0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.200
<v Speaker 4>like the whole you know, like the other side of it, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Or because you are pretty so people in the street life,

0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:32.840
<v Speaker 2>we probably all was on the same brainwave, okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do think there were I mean when I went

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<v Speaker 2>to school, people thought that people who are not in

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<v Speaker 2>the know of street life.

0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was some people was like, oh man did

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<v Speaker 1>pay the South Sides.

0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:46.800
<v Speaker 2>And then later on Keith Keivy D from the South

0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:51.439
<v Speaker 2>is this og legend d boy nigga like super legendary figure.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he does interviews now you can go check

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<v Speaker 1>him out, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>He like, I see a lot of people saying shit

0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:57.720
<v Speaker 2>to him because he's doing these interviews. But Keith D

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<v Speaker 2>was really one of those guys, is I hung the

0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.040
<v Speaker 2>fuck with? Nobody said about him, like you knew his name,

0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Wren Jail's. He had money, he had cars, he had bitches,

0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.639
<v Speaker 2>and he had power, like you knew who keithy Dee was. Like,

0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.399
<v Speaker 2>So I hear a lot of the slander, but that

0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.960
<v Speaker 2>shit ain't in real time because that motherfucker had a

0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:19.840
<v Speaker 2>reputation and motherfucker's respect to is get in. But he

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<v Speaker 2>came out with a book in promoting it saying that

0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.200
<v Speaker 2>that Puff paid the South Sides or offered a bounty

0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.960
<v Speaker 2>on POC for it. So that really changed a lot

0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.960
<v Speaker 2>of perspective, still not in the streets, but to everybody

0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.080
<v Speaker 2>else in mainstream media or who saw the content that

0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Keith was putting up. Do I think that's real? I

0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.959
<v Speaker 2>think Keith is writing books, so he's in the entertainment.

0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.760
<v Speaker 2>I think he's doing interview, so part of it is entertainment.

0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:50.840
<v Speaker 2>I think he's making it a lot more sensational than

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<v Speaker 2>it is because.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a book, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured if he would have went to court and

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<v Speaker 2>told the faes that that they paid they paid him

0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.879
<v Speaker 2>to do it, it'd be a real case for Puff now.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I don't believe he went into the

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<v Speaker 2>courthouse and told them, hey, man, bad boy, put out

0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.440
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, because murder for hire is gonna come

0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:14.440
<v Speaker 2>back for you, straight up. So I don't I don't

0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.200
<v Speaker 2>genuinely believe that happened. I don't think he told the

0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.280
<v Speaker 2>people that, But I think he put that in the

0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.399
<v Speaker 2>book as an entertainment piece because Keith is, you know,

0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Keith Is. Keith was historically known as a big D boy.

0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 2>So I would imagine a lot of the D boys

0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:30.600
<v Speaker 2>that I'm seeing from the streets are trying to find

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<v Speaker 2>another way to create income, you know what I mean,

0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.560
<v Speaker 2>based off their experiences. So I think he is writing books,

0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and I do think he has no problem, like any

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<v Speaker 2>other great writer.

0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:41.480
<v Speaker 1>To include fantasy.

0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.000
<v Speaker 2>But I think all of us in the streets at

0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:49.000
<v Speaker 2>that time kind of knew what it was over, Like,

0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.840
<v Speaker 2>we all knew what it was over, Yeah, liked Did

0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:57.879
<v Speaker 2>Pap do anything to like quiet the noise of the

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.359
<v Speaker 2>streets or was he just like because at what what

0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.720
<v Speaker 2>point of his career was he at before the Quad

0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.840
<v Speaker 2>City Show? I know he had just did Juice, but musically,

0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:10.240
<v Speaker 2>was he the number one artist in the world at

0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:10.680
<v Speaker 2>that time.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, hell no. Pack was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, this is so, this is after thug Life.

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Thug Life was something that was cool, like niggas fucked

0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.479
<v Speaker 2>with thug Life. Thug Life is a platinum group and

0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.040
<v Speaker 2>it was based out of La. You know, all the

0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:30.320
<v Speaker 2>niggas was from Rolling forty Crip or Cype from IBC,

0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:34.439
<v Speaker 2>from Inglewood, you know, Imperial Village, Inglewood Crips. So his

0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:38.840
<v Speaker 2>whole group of thug Life was La guys around the way.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you say from a time frames standpoint that PAC's

0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:46.280
<v Speaker 4>musical presence got the California love was the trampoline?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well so.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's the Old Testament New Testament defining moment.

0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's weird, right because I had that conversation on

0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:58.560
<v Speaker 2>the Breakfast Club with Charlottagne and them, and I was

0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:04.080
<v Speaker 2>explaining to them, pre all Eyes on Me, Tupac wasn't

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:05.840
<v Speaker 2>in the same category as ice Cube.

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Cube was a greater act as a.

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Musician and as a movie star pre death ro you know,

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.560
<v Speaker 2>pre all Eyes on Me. So this is with him

0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:20.400
<v Speaker 2>having the number one record in the country when he's

0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:24.479
<v Speaker 2>in jail with you know, me against the world, like

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Cube was huge. So it was people comparing them to Snoop,

0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:29.760
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, they wasn't even in the same plan.

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:35.439
<v Speaker 2>Snoop was like a phenomenon. Yeah, Snoop is like Snoop

0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.680
<v Speaker 2>and fifty Cent are probably the greatest you know what

0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Like debuts in the history of music as

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<v Speaker 2>far as you know, first album debut. Yeah, just debut

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 2>period because fifty had power of a dollar. He had

0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:50.640
<v Speaker 2>singles and other stuff before. But like you had never

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.400
<v Speaker 2>seen nothing like Snoop Dogg. The closest is fifty Cent,

0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:56.920
<v Speaker 2>like you never seen, like look at Snoop Dogg now.

0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:58.840
<v Speaker 2>And this is what this goes back to that point

0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 2>where I was explaining, like Snoop was a phenomenon. Snoop

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:05.000
<v Speaker 2>was like a renaissance all by himself. You remember in

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 2>school when they be talking about the Italian renners, like

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Snoop was that by himself, Like death Row comes together

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and they create the greatest renaissance in all arts, you know,

0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.640
<v Speaker 2>greater than Shakespeare, greater than any of that stuff over

0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.080
<v Speaker 2>there when it was painting in Italy, Like this thing

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:25.000
<v Speaker 2>became such a phenomenon globally, you know what I mean,

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Like cripping is where it's at because.

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Of Snoop Dogg. Solely.

0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:34.440
<v Speaker 2>The reason is around the country, the reason people felt

0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:37.199
<v Speaker 2>comfortable to even crip on records later or felt that

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 2>they pressure.

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 1>There were people in hip hop who felt that they

0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:41.679
<v Speaker 1>was like.

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not a gang member until Snoop happened, and

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.439
<v Speaker 2>then they was like people start looking like gang members.

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.360
<v Speaker 1>That's real. Yeah wasn't.

0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:52.960
<v Speaker 4>And you said, it's fair to say it went from

0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 4>being almost a deal breaker to get signed by somebody

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 4>to make exact yes.

0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 2>You like, it's almost expected in LA that you are

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:10.679
<v Speaker 2>from somewhere solely because of Snoop Dogg. And I know

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 2>that sounds crazy, but it's true, bro, Like Snoop is

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 2>is trail blazing. Snoop is blazing a trail so fucking crazy,

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 2>like just what he's doing for cripping, Like, and I'm

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 2>being honest, like for doors that I can walk through

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 2>and just be a crip, it's because of Snoop Dogg.

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't have to not be a crip. Like

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 2>everybody is not losing their mind because I walk there.

0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Now it's like it's cool, maybe he's cool like Snoop.

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Wow, so so all time, all time, Glasses and Pete,

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:47.160
<v Speaker 3>do you think all time Snoop is more popular than

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 3>Tupac all time popular, all time?

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Popularity sure, Okay, popularity yeah.

0:25:56.080 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 4>I think the passion index for Tupac is higher. I

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 4>think that the scope of Snoop is bigger.

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 2>I think I think Tupac can go down as a

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:09.720
<v Speaker 2>greater artist, Okay, like an impactful kind of person, Like

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 2>his life was such an amazing yet tragic story that

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna always be hard to.

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:15.679
<v Speaker 1>Competele Snoop is.

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's only a handful of people more famous

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 2>than Snoop, you know what I mean, Mickey Mouse, Jesus,

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>it's not a lot of people, Michael Jackson. There's gonna

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:25.679
<v Speaker 2>be very few people that's more famous.

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 1>You got to I mean, you got Snoop up there

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 1>with Jesus, Like Snoop.

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Is close.

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Jesus, right, Snoop is close, Like he's not up there

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 2>with Jesus, but he's really close, Like he's not far

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:43.920
<v Speaker 2>behind Mickey MOUs Jess Like Snoop is a different kind

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 2>of phenomenon, man, Snoop. What's crazy is Snoop shows you

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 2>the power of hip hop, Like that that's that's hip hop,

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 2>glaring testimony of how great the street urban influence can be.

0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Where you have Snoop Dogg and it's like he's on

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.399
<v Speaker 2>the super Bowl chunking of sea sea.

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Walking smoking weed.

0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 3>How like glasses in Pete, how is he able to

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 3>do that? How is he able to commercialize gang banging

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 3>and cripping to where he could be on the stage

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 3>with Martha Stewart cooking delicious hams and like.

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>He could he could do like Leonardo da Vinci dog.

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It doesn't Pete, you have it. I

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know. You tell me, Pete.

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like some things are just in people,

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Like Snoop is not a super great marketing strategy. He

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 2>is a marketing strategy, don't get me wrong. No no

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 2>credit away from Shure, no credit away from Drake. But

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 2>what's in him, it's just unique. It's like something that

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 2>you can't make it. I remember talking to Snoop about

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.480
<v Speaker 2>something briefly and telling him you couldn't make another artist

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 2>like you, like, it's not possible.

0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Yah.

0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't think he doesn't have a strategy. People strategize

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 4>around his brand. It's a different system. I mean Tupac

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.439
<v Speaker 4>was a guy with a strategy who didn't have a brand.

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 4>Snoop was a guy with a brand who didn't have

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 4>a strategy.

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. That's actually I would say that say that again.

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 4>Tupac was a guy with no brand who had a strategy,

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:19.440
<v Speaker 4>and Snoop was a guy with a brand who had

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 4>no strategy.

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Tupac changed his brand a couple times. Tupac's initial brand

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 2>was like black panther and militant. As far as his movement,

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Tupac became slowly started making itself into like kind of

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 2>what gangster rap.

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 4>Is he turned I'll say this much. We I'm very

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 4>comfortable saying there would never have been a blood face

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 4>with Tupac if Snoop didn't exist. All put money on that.

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 4>There wouldn't have been a need for it, the costs,

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 4>but if it, analysis wouldn't have existed. There's no business.

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>True.

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people look at Snoop, you know what

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, really like that's just such a phenomenon. Man,

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 2>he really is a renaissance all by himself, and like

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 2>it's just kind of unique to see it, Like it's

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 2>it's really special to be alive at this time and

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 2>see what he's doing with something that's super like he's

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 2>he's been successful at things that John Gotty couldn't do,

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Like John Gotty couldn't do this. The only person that's

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 2>close to doing with Snoop, like Al Capone couldn't do

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 2>what Snoop is doing, like any other person that's that's

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 2>a product of the underworld and crime.

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I know that sounds crazy.

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 2>They're not Snoop like the movie Scarface with al Pacino

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 2>is not fince.

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Like. He's actually living it all the way out.

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's definitely transcending the culture definitely. Why do you

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 3>think why do you think it's so hard for like,

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 3>because like in hip hop, you can you can have

0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 3>like a like somebody could try to be a jay

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Z kind of like mimic like say Drake. But why

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 3>is it so hard for a second coming of artists

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 3>like Snoop and Tupac Because when they try to mimic them,

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 3>it looks just corny, Like you just are they just

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 3>too polarized? How come there's net like we can't even

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 3>have that second tier like fake Snoop or a fake Pop.

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>So this is what's crazy right now. And I've talked

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>to you about this in regards to Arizona hip hop,

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>right right?

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Hip hop? Like now, it's hard because people don't get this.

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 2>But if you if you really do, if you do

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 2>the work on the on the equation that is hip hop,

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 2>it really breaks down into urban street culture. Urban being

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 2>Disney populated, street being places you know, written by crime,

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean Disney populated, crime written areas, the culture in

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 2>those areas.

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 2>What's hard to be where Snoop is the main thing

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 2>is because culture has already been overexposed. Like one thing

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>that made Snoop a phenomenon is remember Los Angeles street

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>urban culture was starting to be cinema like it was

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>starting to be on cinema Colors, Boys in the Hood.

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>You you saw Rocket. You know, Colors is not about

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>gang members. Colors is about police, police officers, their relationship

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and dealing with gang members in the field. Boys in

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the Hood is not about gang members. It's about black

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 2>fathers raising their children and what it's like for somebody

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 2>else who doesn't have a black father. But saw these

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 2>super special characters Rocket dough Boy, where.

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 1>You was like, damn, that shit is real, it exists.

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Snoop came and voice those characters. He became the voice

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 1>like Jay Z voiced Nino Brown.

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, dang, I don't even think.

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Remember R Street urban culture didn't have a true voice.

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 2>We were always the side piece to decide this to

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 2>another main course. The main course of New Jack City

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>is it's a police film about trying to solve the

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 2>crack epidemic.

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Facts, and then you got Nino Brown right there.

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Rick Ross became a voice for Scarface the actual movie

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Lean and Suit No Nobody sell drugs and fucking Miami

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and wear no fucking Lenen suits.

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>That's from the film. Yeah.

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 4>And I was saying, like the time frame wise, like

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 4>like New York hoodlums, you know, whatever it was was

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 4>a term like in like the nineteen seven pre hip

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 4>hop you know, you know, you go get mugged in

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 4>the in the subway and ship like that, the movie Warriors,

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 4>all that kind of crap, Like people were conscious of

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 4>what Marlem was and the stuff like that. Before that,

0:32:55.680 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 4>there was the geography of Los Angeles didn't pass through

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 4>Compton haphazardly. You had to go you have to have

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 4>to try to go to Compton, you know what I mean.

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 4>So I think that also it pulled the curtain back

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 4>on a large portion of a city that everywhere else

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 4>perceived as why, it's a lot of maybe a little

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 4>hair metal bands like Guns and Rows and some cocaine,

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 4>a little bit of movie stars, and some beaches and surfers.

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's that's and and to add on to

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 2>his point that that's why it's like culture in these

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 2>huge metropolises are not They're already over exposed, like you

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>have to be the face. Snoop Dogg is the face

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 2>of probably American's greatest street urban culture, cripping gang Bang.

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 1>That's shit is like global.

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, now there's there's gangs as people who have met

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 2>me that have tried to add sections of my gang

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 2>onto their streets in fucking Canada.

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm not lying.

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 4>Well, there's a page that for some reason I keep

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 4>getting like I liked the car one time. Well, no,

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 4>all the low riders in Okinawa, yeah is that what

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 4>they were called?

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's all in Japan.

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like when I did my tour over there with

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Dazz the first two times, Like the parking lot of

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 2>be filled with low riders in Japan, Damn every like

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 2>not this Okanawa, like Tokyo, like all over them.

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 4>I just happened to others, and Okanawa was even like

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 4>its own unique thing with Japan.

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, I think street urban culture was being

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>revealed from first person from hip hop at that time,

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 2>as far as cripping and the culture itself is a phenomenon,

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 2>and Snoop was the face of it.

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Jay Z was the for he was the face of

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>New York drug dealer.

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:46.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, you heard stories about Nicki Barnes. You saw

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>movies about different people like he's saying.

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:52.319
<v Speaker 1>You've seen the street life, you know, the warriors and

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 1>ship like you've seen that ship.

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:56.720
<v Speaker 4>That's what made I think New York and l a different.

0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:00.359
<v Speaker 4>Nikki Barnes was on the cover of Time, Magnet. Fuck,

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 4>it was a decade before anybody heard of jay Z

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 4>and then Freeway Rick wasn't on the cover of Shit

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:08.840
<v Speaker 4>before Snoop was rolling down Crenshaw.

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Which is crazy, which is why LA drug dealing.

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 2>What's crazy is we have in Los Angeles probably the

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 2>wealthiest drug dealers in the history of urban drug dealer.

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 2>But because there was no president set for people to

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:24.439
<v Speaker 2>be interested, they don't care about New York LA drug dealing.

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Like Snowfalls is not as big as American Gangster and Freeway.

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Rick made way more money than Frank Luke, is way

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 2>more money than Nicky Barnes.

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 3>Why wasn't it like marketed that way, because like like

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 3>you got the Supreme Team and then you got Nikki Bonds.

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Genuinely, I think I think urban drug dealing is started

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 2>in New York. It was already spoken for and represented

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 2>like at the highest level.

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 4>And culturally, there was already a cinematic monopoly in New

0:35:56.360 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 4>York for crime. That was the Italian Mafia Facts m

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 4>So that.

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Was Austin too, all that whole top of the East

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:08.919
<v Speaker 2>Coast up there. So it's those things like that where

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's tough, you know what I'm saying, It's tough,

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's it's hard for people to catch up

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 2>with Snoop and Too. I think artists are just as

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>talented as Snoop Dogg and Tupac, And I think there

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.799
<v Speaker 2>are producers that are pretty good that can keep up,

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, if nothing else hell, the producers around that

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:29.279
<v Speaker 2>produce those guys are.

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Still around, you know what I mean.

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.919
<v Speaker 2>But I think, like like Peter Sin, we don't have

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 2>the same, Like what would be that right now? The

0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 2>greatest street urban culture in LA right now is flocking

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 2>cat burglars, like burglary burglarising houses. Okay, but there's no

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 2>film about it. I get no colors for flocking.

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:53.720
<v Speaker 1>There's no always in the hood for flocking.

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 3>The YG kind of like on his first album, kind

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 3>of like put that what it is.

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like he gave a voice to this culture of

0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 2>people that was burglarizing houses in La flockers, and that's

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.800
<v Speaker 2>what Wag really got popular for in street urban culture

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 2>outside of just jerking and dancing.

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 4>And I'm not sure that there's so much of a

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 4>uniqueness for burglarizing houses in La versus in comparison to

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 4>like LA putting a brand on a drive by shooting

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 4>that was maybe a little bit more.

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 2>For the component LA driven the components of it was,

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 2>which is crazy because they've been had dropped, like oh,

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Mafia's been doing dry bags. But we put this name

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 2>on it. And I don't think we put the name

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>on it. I think they put a name on it

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.359
<v Speaker 2>and made it popular for us, you know what I'm saying.

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:47.759
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, YG is definitely the face of that. But

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 2>that face also didn't have mass representation before yg Versus

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Rock Colors was a big movie you had. It was

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 2>casting really well, it it did really well. Boys in

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 2>the Hood did sixty seventy million dollars, like you know

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:03.359
<v Speaker 2>what I mean Like this, It's like some of these

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:07.320
<v Speaker 2>films were like mainstream appeal joints, so you could even

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 2>though you know, it was more about Trey growing up

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 2>with his father versus his mom, right according to Black Fathers,

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 2>you got a hint of dough Boy.

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even though.

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Rocket is about Robert Duval and Sean Penn and that shit,

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 2>you got a hint of a rocket, you know, played

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 2>by one of the greatest black actors ever.

0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 4>It's so funny. The line I remember from that movie

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.439
<v Speaker 4>that pops up into my head about probably once every

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 4>thirty six hours is from my favorite character Frog when

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:43.440
<v Speaker 4>they take him it and they say, hey, you want

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 4>us to raise her bell I got more time than

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 4>money homes. I'm like, that is how I decided. That

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 4>is the philosophy behind my present day air travel strategy. Yeah.

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my favorite is from t Rogers Recupe why Pat

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Man fucking with me?

0:38:58.640 --> 0:38:59.879
<v Speaker 1>What Pat Man on me? Man?

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:04.439
<v Speaker 2>Rogers at the Jungle that was his line. But yeah,

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like I think it's a phenomenon as they started

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>making it a side dish of let's say, the main

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:16.360
<v Speaker 2>course is you know, the police.

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Or Black Fathers.

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:20.399
<v Speaker 2>The side dish was that street urban culture. We haven't

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>had a great street urban culture movie in a long time,

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean not based out of the West, like not

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 2>based out of the West, you know what I mean.

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 2>And so therefore hip hop there's there's no there's no

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 2>there's no uh trail blazed that you could walk through. Now,

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.399
<v Speaker 2>whatever you're doing, you have to kind of line it up.

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 2>So that's why it's hard for hip hop to take

0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 2>that next step like they did initially with Snoop.

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Big, because Big was a drug dealer too.

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:53.879
<v Speaker 2>On his records, you know, he was he was like

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 2>like like Pece said, he was a hooligan. He was

0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 2>a hulium and that already had representation, maybe just not

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 2>as in the black space.

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 3>So like like Kendrick, was that more of like a

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 3>West Coast version of Knives, like the kid looking at

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 3>his window explaining stuff that's going on in the hood,

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:11.640
<v Speaker 3>or is it like.

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think I think dodd situation is unique because

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 2>so dot also came at a time when college kids

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 2>were pretty much this this this when college kids were

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 2>deciding what was going to be shared in hip hop. Okay,

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 2>so when the blog era happened, the blogs were started

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 2>by college kids. You know, rap radar, uh, all these

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:43.320
<v Speaker 2>different blogs, a ton of blogs by college kids. Kids

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 2>in college, you know what I'm saying, And they're like,

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 2>what hip hop appeals to them?

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Hence you have Drake, j Cole, Kendrick Lamar.

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that yeah. College.

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 3>College.

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.879
<v Speaker 4>Though, Like I don't know, I get it and I don't.

0:40:59.880 --> 0:41:01.840
<v Speaker 4>I get that and I don't get it at the

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 4>same time.

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:05.359
<v Speaker 1>What don't you get?

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 4>Like I understand wanting to listen to someone that might

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:12.800
<v Speaker 4>be a little bit more relatable to you, I guess,

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, I want to hear someone

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 4>who's more different than me. It's more interesting. M M.

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:22.839
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to hear from the guy who saw

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 4>the guy. I want to hear from the guy.

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Well that's the tricky part.

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't think J Cole, Drake or Kendrick in

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Charles Hamilton because he was a part of that class.

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:37.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they pitched themselves as the guys like

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Dodd's first album is very much somebody that was involved

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.720
<v Speaker 2>with bullshit and admitting it. But I think he framed

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.879
<v Speaker 2>his narrative as good kid, and I think that made

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 2>it understandable, like, oh maybe if I lived in this neighborhood,

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:53.239
<v Speaker 2>this could be my life. So that was a relatable

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 2>piece maybe for you know what I'm saying. J Cole

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 2>was somebody who went to college and quit Childi's chase

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 2>his dreams. Yeah, sure, most of those kids could relate

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 2>to that ship.

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying.

0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a It is somebody who were them but put

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 2>in different situations, and that's what it is. So that's

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 2>a big part of what's happening. It's like your street

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 2>urban culture needs to have a precedent, and the reality

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 2>is it's not really creating a ton of new ship

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.440
<v Speaker 2>every week. Like hip hop the way what we call

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:31.759
<v Speaker 2>hip hop pretty soon is going to become rock and

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 2>roll where it's at now, Oh wow, you know, I mean,

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:38.520
<v Speaker 2>it won't have black faces representing it, you know what

0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:38.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean?

0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.399
<v Speaker 1>Like rock and roll. We'll move on to something else

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 1>most likely, and that'll be the end of it.

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 4>Will it will continue to have black faces representing it,

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:52.399
<v Speaker 4>and it'll just be in the same way that you

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:56.879
<v Speaker 4>see some company deliberately go out and get like specific

0:42:57.000 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 4>box checkers for their commercial campaign. They just understand the marketability.

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man R and B right now is

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 2>represented by Dale and Sam Smith at the highest levels. Well,

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.360
<v Speaker 2>you mayn't even call regular black singers R and B

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 2>singers anymore.

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 1>They call them neo souls.

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, rock and roll was all black, now it's no black.

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Jazz was all black now it's no black.

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 3>So you think we going to Jack Harlow era, that's

0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:29.920
<v Speaker 3>the are we're going to.

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 1>It started with It started with Ya, then he went

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>to Drake.

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Now it's that Jack got lighter and lighter until it

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:42.840
<v Speaker 2>got whiter. See Eminem very much is a product of

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 2>street urban culture. Mm hmm.

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Just because he's white, he still was a product a

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:50.240
<v Speaker 2>street urban culture.

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:52.240
<v Speaker 1>But when when when hip.

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Hop stopped being about the culture itself and it started

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 2>just being about an art by itself.

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then who look at who's who's be boing?

0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:04.800
<v Speaker 2>That face is all Asian, Like if you go online

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 2>and look at the Bee Boys, the niggas who popping

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 2>and fucking it up ninety percent is Asian.

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 4>Well what it's been like that for twenty years, but

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 4>likes that's like its own kind of niche. I don't

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 4>even know if that's it's almost like divorce itself from

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 4>hip hopping in the broader sense.

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 2>But that's what I'm saying. It's because I tell a

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:24.319
<v Speaker 2>lot of the legends that I talk to from New

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 2>York this all the time. If you start to make

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 2>it where hip hop is just the art and not

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 2>an expression of street urban culture, of an evolving street

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 2>urban culture, you're gonna write yourself out of it because

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:41.240
<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be people that's going to teach it. Every

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:47.279
<v Speaker 2>day on Instagram, I see a new cryptwalking video, like

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Asian person, you know, maybe a Middle Eastern person, maybe

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 2>he's Indian, so that's Asia as well European, and they

0:44:55.800 --> 0:45:00.719
<v Speaker 2>just have crip walking videos. They have crypt neighborhoods. There's

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, So challenge. The one thing

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 2>about everybody else's they're gonna teach a lot of our

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 2>ship is we teach each other. It's one teach one, one,

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:13.400
<v Speaker 2>one teach another. These motherfuckers will have a class of

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:18.320
<v Speaker 2>three hundred. Like in Asia, it's gonna be a class

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 2>that three hundred motherfuckers learning how to be boy.

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:22.879
<v Speaker 4>It's just it's the same way. It's like now there's

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:26.479
<v Speaker 4>you can go to gyms and they have pole dance

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 4>and these have like like the twenty four face one

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 4>hundred and twenty is to have like some sort of

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 4>like like twerk and some sort of that class on

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 4>Mondays at ten o'clock. Paul got out at ten o'clock.

0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Pole Dancing is huge.

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you don't have to be a stripper to pole dance,

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:43.840
<v Speaker 4>and you ain't gotta be a crypto seawalk.

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it is.

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:50.440
<v Speaker 2>It's hard for hip hop to hit that because street

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 2>urban culture, like you you have to be a part

0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 2>of you know, it has to be contagious. Cripping, gang

0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 2>banging is contagious, super content.

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Why it's huge in La It just spread it everywhere.

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Now it's people who grew up in You grew up

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 2>in Arizona, right, you grew up your whole life. See

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:10.760
<v Speaker 2>you might have remembered in Arizona when you were really

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 2>young that didn't have Christian bloods. By the time you

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 2>got in high school, that shit was done.

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it was s cripting bloods.

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:24.479
<v Speaker 1>And I don't even know. I'm assuming there was. Maybe

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 1>when you was.

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Little, there weren't Crisson bloods. I'm assuming because it might

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:29.759
<v Speaker 2>have been Christon bloods in Arizona for sure. I know

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 2>for sure they was in the eighties.

0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was in junior I grew up there in

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 3>the seventies. Yeah, junior High. That's when I was introduced

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:38.840
<v Speaker 3>to crippin In blood.

0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So it's like it's people who grew up all

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:42.760
<v Speaker 1>over the country.

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 2>It's people in New York who are twenty one years

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 2>old that grew up in gangs their whole life, Like

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:50.800
<v Speaker 2>they live in a gang neighborhood, a crypt or blood neighborhood,

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 2>forgive me their whole life. There's people who grew up

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 2>in Oklahoma. Oklahoma had gang since the eighties, Crimson bloods.

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Pittsburgh had Cripson blood since the eighties. It's forty fucking

0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 2>years now. So again, it's one of those things now

0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:09.160
<v Speaker 2>where it's not so culturally niche, you know what I'm saying.

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:10.359
<v Speaker 1>It ain't special no more.

0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 2>It was at one time that was just la, that

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 2>was just things around this part of town.

0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Now that ship is anywhere where niggas is at.

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 3>You're right.

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:23.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's a couple of places that don't have

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:26.799
<v Speaker 2>them still, the Bay don't really you know, outside well

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 2>it depends because you know San Jose got Cribson bloods,

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 2>but Oakland still don't. San Francisco still don't.

0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:38.320
<v Speaker 4>Seven all due respect, doesn't have black people anymore.

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:41.440
<v Speaker 1>That's true. They got them niggas bot there the only

0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 1>niggas from Oakland too.

0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:48.279
<v Speaker 4>I mean, like, yeah, ok, every day, man, where they

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:55.839
<v Speaker 4>put where sack you know, eastward. It's the same as

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 4>like in La A lot of guys go out to

0:47:58.480 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, they're getting bumped into the l and m

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:04.319
<v Speaker 4>high on the other side of the Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 4>high desert in the Lampires, the same in the Bear.

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:10.279
<v Speaker 4>It would be like what Brentley or whatever, Antioch or

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 4>all the way out of anywhere, but there, yeah, fairfields

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 4>on out.

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they're they're taking back control of the urban

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:21.359
<v Speaker 1>communities straight up.

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<v Speaker 4>So the first place when I was up there was Pittsburgh, California,

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 4>was the new Richmond two thousand and four. Wow, you know,

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 4>and and it looked like Corona, California to a degree.

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:36.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah it's been going on, but like the same thing,

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 4>like like down to a Z. You know a lot

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:40.280
<v Speaker 4>of guys out of South Side they out in Avondale

0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:44.320
<v Speaker 4>in Goodyear now you know. Yeah yeah, Like my boys

0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:46.800
<v Speaker 4>all were from West Side City. They don't stay there anymore.

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:47.919
<v Speaker 4>They're out in the Glendale now.

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:54.960
<v Speaker 3>It's all over so so with like like the south right.

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<v Speaker 3>So t I started trap music. So when j Z came,

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<v Speaker 3>did he put more of a like cultural face on

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<v Speaker 3>it than what t I had it at first?

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<v Speaker 2>So this is gonna sound fucked up. Let me just

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:23.960
<v Speaker 2>disclaimer to anybody listening to this podcast. Tip ship had

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:29.359
<v Speaker 2>more music, okay, was like an animal as a as

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 2>a record maker, as a publisher, JZ shit became easier

0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:37.160
<v Speaker 2>to decipher and just hear it and be like, okay,

0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 2>this is what trap sounds like.

0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Mm you know what I mean?

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:43.160
<v Speaker 3>Like, do you think more of the sound and more

0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:45.360
<v Speaker 3>of like the detail because I thought j Z was

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:47.319
<v Speaker 3>putting more detail into it, Like.

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Nah, tip shit was more j Z shit was more fluff.

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Forgive me and I'm sorry, GZ, I ain't shipping on you, bro.

0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Tip shit was actually about selling drugs. J Z shit

0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:59.560
<v Speaker 2>was the j Z shit was like more like Scarface

0:49:59.600 --> 0:49:59.959
<v Speaker 2>the movie.

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<v Speaker 4>It was Atlanta exactly where it was, more like he

0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 4>created it based off of certain reality, but then he

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:09.719
<v Speaker 4>exaggerated so great.

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Timp Ship was actually just really selling dope.

0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:16.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Jesus. Thing was why PIMPSI got on the radio

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 4>and was talking about anybody out here with thirteen.

0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Like Flip was saying ten the keys, like Nigga nobody.

0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:27.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's they started sensationalizing the concept.

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay, timp ship.

0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Is actually about selling dope, but Jez's was more like

0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 2>jesz shit is rooted in selling dope, but it's more

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 2>like kind of like the fantasy version of drug dealing,

0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:49.520
<v Speaker 2>like more as an entertainment piece. Not to say Jesz

0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really selling dope, but that's not what he did

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:55.160
<v Speaker 2>with his music. He made his music more like like

0:50:55.200 --> 0:51:00.759
<v Speaker 2>an inspirational film piece to celebrate drug dealing, to to

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:06.200
<v Speaker 2>encourage people to hustle. Tim shit is actually the triumphs

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:08.160
<v Speaker 2>and failures in actually hustling.

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, yeah that makes damn yeah, that makes sense.

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:14.319
<v Speaker 2>And Nigga's gonna talk shit, but it's true. Like tim

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:17.080
<v Speaker 2>shit is like about a nigga who's really selling drugs.

0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:21.160
<v Speaker 2>It is more like about a movie nigga selling drugs.

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:26.000
<v Speaker 4>And chronologically like t I came out well after the

0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:30.799
<v Speaker 4>explosion of the Atlanta scene. I mean he was much

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:34.399
<v Speaker 4>far behind, you know, the whole the whole dungeon thing,

0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:38.319
<v Speaker 4>all all those other rap like young bloods like Little John.

0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:39.720
<v Speaker 1>He he came out.

0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:44.239
<v Speaker 4>He didn't put Atlanta on the map by any stretch.

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Out cast did that.

0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's good. Where would you put Gucci into that?

0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Gucci man, is that like the same as Gez or

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:52.280
<v Speaker 3>is it more.

0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Because Gucci is like tip shit on steroids?

0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh ship, Hey, Like it's.

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Really like because remember remember Gucci is not from Atlanta.

0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:05.280
<v Speaker 4>Gucci was actually snorted cocaine in the truth.

0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Was like a wild nigga, like a wild street From

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:09.759
<v Speaker 2>the first day I heard him, I was like that

0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:12.719
<v Speaker 2>nigga wild, you know what I mean, Like he was

0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:14.520
<v Speaker 2>with all the shit, you know what I'm saying when

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:17.520
<v Speaker 2>I first at least from from LA perspective of first

0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 2>hearing him early on, like this nigga is wild, like

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Gucci reminded you of a real country nigga.

0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, he was just wild. Okay.

0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's it's it's tough, and that's what makes

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:33.440
<v Speaker 2>it hard to get a new big impact or snoop,

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:36.440
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, because there are no new

0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:40.760
<v Speaker 2>street urban culture. Like the last one was drill. Yeah,

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.759
<v Speaker 2>that was the last unique culture. Like kids with these

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.160
<v Speaker 2>fully automatic weapons and going to do their thing. That

0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 2>shit was crazy and it's a phenomenon steel. But since

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, you have people around the country just doing that.

0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Where if this is they're kind of gang bangers that

0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:00.000
<v Speaker 2>sell drugs. So like the slang is what their whole

0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:04.360
<v Speaker 2>on to the slang, the dialect and how they.

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:05.919
<v Speaker 1>Talk, you know what I mean.

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:10.120
<v Speaker 2>But for the most part, you know, they celebrating like

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:13.279
<v Speaker 2>let's say they celebrating using drugs. Let's say, uh, what's

0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Brodie name? Solid nigga too? I love him real good

0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:19.240
<v Speaker 2>names and niggass too many. We talked about doing some music.

0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:23.080
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm talking about. He popping in Memphis

0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:28.439
<v Speaker 2>right now? Oh money bag yo yo? So like yo,

0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:34.200
<v Speaker 2>it's talking about drinking lean. That was Houston's thing thirty

0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:34.719
<v Speaker 2>years ago.

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:38.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean he kat was talking about sipping lean

0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 4>and Memphis in the seventies on the trip.

0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:45.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it's like these are all established ideas that's

0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:49.160
<v Speaker 2>just being presented to a new generation versus Snoop given

0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:53.879
<v Speaker 2>the definition of a culture to everybody, Somebody seventy never

0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:57.399
<v Speaker 2>heard this much deep, somebody seven never heard this much deep.

0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 2>But if you're like me, right, and I'm listening to

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:02.479
<v Speaker 2>the money bags, I'm listening to Yo go Off.

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I heard that before.

0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:07.759
<v Speaker 2>So therefore there's no reason for me to overinvest in

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.080
<v Speaker 2>it because you're not telling me something unique. Versus when

0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:14.080
<v Speaker 2>I heard Keith Reese and and and darkening and talking,

0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:15.959
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I ain't never seen no shit.

0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:18.680
<v Speaker 2>This is like some third world African shit like from

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 2>the sixties running around with k's and shit, look, kids,

0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that fucked up. If the music if like I think,

0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Chop just kind of got caught up. But if the music,

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:29.320
<v Speaker 2>like if Kanye would have came and helped them construct

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.280
<v Speaker 2>that music a little bit more, they would have probably

0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:36.360
<v Speaker 2>the greatest phenomenon in the country. It just wasn't musically

0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 2>done well. It's hard and stuff pop and Snoop doing.

0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I got you the stuff poking Snoop was doing. Not

0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:46.720
<v Speaker 2>only was it the first representation of urban street culture,

0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:51.360
<v Speaker 2>it was also the musically with another kind of detail

0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:53.640
<v Speaker 2>that made it incredible. The ship Dre was doing for

0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:56.080
<v Speaker 2>that shit. Musically, the ship all the brothers from the

0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Bay was doing Johnny Ja. That shit was crazy. So

0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 2>do we blame you two beats for that?

0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Then?

0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Like in this generation, because like if you wanted a

0:55:04.200 --> 0:55:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Dre beat, like you had to go to Dre. But

0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:10.560
<v Speaker 3>now somebody from like Arizona I could get I go

0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 3>to YouTube and get a drill beat. I could go

0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:16.319
<v Speaker 3>get me in Atlanta beat because it's it's accessible.

0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:18.799
<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's about the beat. And I think

0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:21.840
<v Speaker 4>you blame technology in the sense that now if some

0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:24.520
<v Speaker 4>if a trend is small, it can.

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Spread out.

0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:30.480
<v Speaker 4>Anybody can grab it really quickly. Yeah, even if it's

0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:34.640
<v Speaker 4>not just simply social media, but like you can get

0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.080
<v Speaker 4>your shit out quickly. I mean, how many years of

0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:40.360
<v Speaker 4>Hiphi was in Oakland before it became out of the region.

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:42.879
<v Speaker 4>How many years of screwed and chopping in Houston before

0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:43.880
<v Speaker 4>it became out of the region.

0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Those things means you could perfect it.

0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and and and and you knew it was really

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 4>really popular. So it was like it's like a company

0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:58.640
<v Speaker 4>ipoing after two days of business now versus being one

0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:01.480
<v Speaker 4>hundred million dollar prop.

0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Which y'all goes to the same thing, right, Pete, even

0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:06.719
<v Speaker 2>though you feel like it doesn't, But it goes to

0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:09.799
<v Speaker 2>the music, the stuff that Dre started making with death

0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Ro If that was the same thing as the NWA sound,

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:16.920
<v Speaker 2>we don't have the success. He had a chance to

0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:19.719
<v Speaker 2>perfect it before it was presented to the mainstream world

0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:22.719
<v Speaker 2>at that level. He perfected it and got it right.

0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:27.319
<v Speaker 2>Same thing with all these other movements versus social media today. Right,

0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:30.040
<v Speaker 2>just like a beef, Like if we brought big and

0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:34.479
<v Speaker 2>POC into today's era, if we brought big and pop

0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:38.920
<v Speaker 2>into today's era, you know what I'm saying, Like that

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 2>beef would probably force them to have to kill each

0:56:41.080 --> 0:56:43.799
<v Speaker 2>other because you would have people to involved with the

0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:48.319
<v Speaker 2>beef perpetuating it, putting a different pressure on it. Like

0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of the rappers aren't bad today.

0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Like I know that's the narrative. A lot of the

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:53.320
<v Speaker 2>rappers are bad.

0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:53.920
<v Speaker 1>They're not.

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 2>We're just hearing them early, like we heard Poking Big.

0:56:57.200 --> 0:56:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Them dudes have been practicing for a long time before

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:03.319
<v Speaker 2>we heard them, versus hearing Blue Face's seventh song, which

0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:06.200
<v Speaker 2>could be Tha Tiana and eight songs of Dead Loose.

0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:10.920
<v Speaker 4>And now we're hearing the one hundred and eightieth best

0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:13.360
<v Speaker 4>rapper of his time because he had a song that

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:15.400
<v Speaker 4>was hot for a week. You didn't get that. I mean,

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:19.640
<v Speaker 4>you really only were hearing the top thirty. Now you're

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:20.800
<v Speaker 4>hearing in the top six hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Good looking out for tuning in too the note Seller's Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Please do us a favorite, subscribe, ray, comment, and share.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode was recorded right here on the West coast

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<v Speaker 2>of the USA and produced by my homeboy A King

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<v Speaker 2>for the Black Effect Podcast Network and now Hard Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah