WEBVTT - TOP 10 NFL QB Rankings

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Sharper Square, presented by hard Rock Bat. We

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<v Speaker 1>are part of the Volume podcast network. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>show that makes the squares sharper and makes the wise

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<v Speaker 1>guys pay attention. I am Chad Milman. I am joined

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<v Speaker 1>as always by my co host, my companion, my Campodrey,

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<v Speaker 1>my bff professional Better Simon Hunter l Simon Chad.

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<v Speaker 2>What a week and I had buddy Lebron James could

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<v Speaker 2>have dreamt it. I know you're jealous. I honestly can't

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<v Speaker 2>get over it. It's been a multiple days and still in

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<v Speaker 2>Fillure talking as if it's like Joe June of the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA Playoffs. It's all NonStop NBA coverage right now because

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<v Speaker 2>the city's soon in shock. And I got to see

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<v Speaker 2>the Odisty. I don't know if you've seen the Odyssey yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I've seen the Odyssey. I've got takes on both

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<v Speaker 1>of your comments.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to King of Prussia, which is the only

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<v Speaker 2>place near me that has the seventy millimeter I am, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the hype is real, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you get tested what version you

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<v Speaker 2>saw of it, but I'm always you know, I've saw

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<v Speaker 2>Interstellar in the IMAX seventy millimeter and it's it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It was incredible this movie. You can see it regularly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, what the if you if you're able to

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<v Speaker 2>get to that seventy millimeter. I know there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of pretentious people saying that's the only way you can

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<v Speaker 2>see it. Truly, if you can see it that way,

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It's an epic movie made for something like this.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is an incredible experience. So all time weekend

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<v Speaker 2>between the Lebron James and the Odyssey, which is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hype to no end, it's it lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Up to it. It was an epic, epic movie.

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<v Speaker 1>So on the Lebron front, great, don't care like I

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<v Speaker 1>like Lebron. I like that there's going to be more

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<v Speaker 1>competition in the East. I like that there's real continued,

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<v Speaker 1>deep seated animosity that is even heightened now between the

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<v Speaker 1>Sixers and the cell Diics. Look growing up in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>before Jordan was on the Bulls, I lived and died

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<v Speaker 1>with the Sixers. My nickname, as you know Simon, was

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor C. Because I loved Doctor j so much. I

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<v Speaker 1>can still to this day name not just the starting

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<v Speaker 1>lineup for the nineteen eighty three seventy six ers. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I can go ten deep on that team right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that team. Like when they would lose to the Celtics,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be in physical pain. Like when they were

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<v Speaker 1>up in the Eastern Conference finals and loss and the

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<v Speaker 1>Celtics went to the finals and won. It would it

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<v Speaker 1>was excruciating to me. So I love like a good

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<v Speaker 1>sixer Celtics rivalry. I think it's great for the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna love a sixers Nick's rivalry. I think it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be great for the NBA. I don't care about Lebron

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<v Speaker 1>ring chasing doesn't matter to me. I think he's a

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<v Speaker 1>great player. I love watching him play. I like the

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<v Speaker 1>way he interacts with teammates. Think or it's the best

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<v Speaker 1>player ever. Maybe Kareem you can make an argument, but

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<v Speaker 1>I love love watching Lebron. Don't care where he's playing.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to take on the Odyssey. I saw it in.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see it in seventy millimeter because I live

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<v Speaker 1>in central Connecticut and the nearest theater is two hours away.

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<v Speaker 1>With the seventy millimeter, I saw it in the irregular Imax.

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<v Speaker 1>Great movie, amazing cinematography, knowing sort of the stories that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't really use cgi that everything is created they used.

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<v Speaker 1>They used jet skis to get the whirlpool going in

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean, everything was filmed live. All that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff amazing. Odysseus kind of an idiot if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at every single decision he made, from deciding not to

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<v Speaker 1>follow Agamemnon to where he decides to land, to how

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<v Speaker 1>he approaches strangers, every single decision was a terrible, terrible decision.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the guy gets a ton of credit

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<v Speaker 1>for creating the idea of the trojan horse and getting

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<v Speaker 1>them into the gates, and after that he doesn't deserve

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<v Speaker 1>to be followed because he made terrible, terrible decisions. That's

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<v Speaker 1>my take.

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<v Speaker 2>Disturb Aware, Chad thinks a man that invented the most

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most genius war strategies and the history

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<v Speaker 2>of humankind that we're still talking about three thousand years

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<v Speaker 2>later is an idiot.

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<v Speaker 3>God blessed Chad Milman.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying this, if you look at it objectively,

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie, terrible, terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>My favorite part of the movie. I know this is

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<v Speaker 3>gonna sound so stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a guy who dies in this movie whose

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<v Speaker 2>name is Mentor.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that blew my mind.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I just love all.

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<v Speaker 2>Our our words come from and everything about the human experience.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact that Mentor was a real person, that

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<v Speaker 2>was obviously a mentor for Odysseus's son who died, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's how his legacy lived on. Right, They couldn't give

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<v Speaker 2>Hm a proper burial, and he said his name will

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<v Speaker 2>live on. Yes, I mean that blew my mind. Homer

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<v Speaker 2>whoever whoever wrote that. I mean, three thousand years later,

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<v Speaker 2>like we said, Chad still slaps. And the whole time

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<v Speaker 2>I watched that movie, I kept thinking, three thousand years later,

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<v Speaker 2>if they tell a story from right now, would it

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<v Speaker 2>hold up right? Like, is Christianity or Judaism still gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be a religion in three thousand years because the whole

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<v Speaker 2>movie is all predicated on religious beliefs.

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<v Speaker 3>Right about Zeus beside in these gods.

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<v Speaker 2>So I found that just really interesting about how wrapped

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<v Speaker 2>up their lives were in fork lower and just the

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<v Speaker 2>gods and respecting the gods and what was a Zeus.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole point of the movie, basis of the movie

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<v Speaker 2>is you need to treat a beggar with respect because

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<v Speaker 2>it could be Zeus in disguise, Right, that was the

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<v Speaker 2>whole point, and he basically suffered these punishments because the

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<v Speaker 2>Trojan horse, like Chad just said, is it's supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be a gift, right, I was a gift to the Trojans,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a trick and that's why he paid

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<v Speaker 2>like hell for whatever that was, twenty years to get

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<v Speaker 2>back to his families. So yeah, just again, just such

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<v Speaker 2>a well done movie. I know there's always gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>haters and critics, but like Chad said, there was no

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<v Speaker 2>CGI and when you're watching this movie where a gnience,

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<v Speaker 2>all these crazy things are just like this is how

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<v Speaker 2>they should still be doing movies.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate CG guys. So yeah, just ten out of

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<v Speaker 3>ten the experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the other thing is that he did not believe

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<v Speaker 1>in the gods, and so every decision he was making

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<v Speaker 1>was tempting or challenging the gods, and he was consistently

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<v Speaker 1>being proven that the gods exist, which is also part

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<v Speaker 1>of the folklore. I agree with you, great movie, Matt David,

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<v Speaker 1>is unreal. It's three hours and there wasn't a second

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<v Speaker 1>where I was like, God, I wish this would end

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<v Speaker 1>like it was. It was no not.

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<v Speaker 3>Even the big part. The big part I could do without.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was real wild. I thought it was wild,

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<v Speaker 1>But also it's wild to me because I'm thinking, how

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<v Speaker 1>are they doing this without sort of you know, the effects,

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<v Speaker 1>so great movie, go see it. I feel like more

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<v Speaker 1>people feel the way I do that Maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Odysseus wasn't the best decision maker, got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>credit and then sort of wrote the cottails on that

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<v Speaker 1>one decision. But whatever, a lot of people, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people have gotten by on one big idea. We

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<v Speaker 1>have an idea that we run into the ground every

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<v Speaker 1>single year because it's honestly one of my favorite episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>And before we kick off our division by division NFL

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<v Speaker 1>betting previews on Thursday, we have one final order of business.

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<v Speaker 1>It is NFL. It is our most controversial annual episode,

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<v Speaker 1>an episode where, to quote our producer Matt Mitchell, Chad

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<v Speaker 1>makes deeply up setting choices that should land him in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like Odysseus making bad choices every which way.

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<v Speaker 1>Chad had one good idea and since then he's just

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<v Speaker 1>been making bad decisions. Today is our top ten NFL

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback rankings. We vary in scientifically use a betting LEDs

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<v Speaker 1>to analyze the leagues at best quarterbacks. Before we bring

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<v Speaker 1>in our guest, Matt Mitchell's going to come on. He's

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<v Speaker 1>going to share a story. I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the producer. He just gets to decide when he

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<v Speaker 1>does this. So Simon, let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello boys, Chad.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how we're going to maintain the title

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<v Speaker 5>of the most literate sports betting podcast when you treat

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<v Speaker 5>Odysseus like he's fired. Eagles coordinator Kevin Patulo.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, that's why we're the most literate sports

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<v Speaker 1>betting podcasts because we can have conversations in which we

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<v Speaker 1>challenge the norm we lead into, we read into the subtext.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, my bad. Okay, So I'll keep this quick so

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<v Speaker 5>we can bring in Rich get to the meat of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't everyone yet, so don't.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, everybody just endured this breakdown of a twenty seven

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<v Speaker 5>hundred year old story.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>So, my father in law, who I love, Big Tom,

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<v Speaker 5>is Big Tom's birthday on Saturday. He wants to come

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<v Speaker 5>up from Chicago spend the day with us. Hearing Milwaukee,

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<v Speaker 5>I said, sounds great. I love tom My wife goes,

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<v Speaker 5>what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do

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<v Speaker 5>with my with my father? I said, don't worry, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>handle the whole thing. Tom and I are a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of like. I know exactly how to show him.

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<v Speaker 1>A great time.

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<v Speaker 5>He comes up Saturday morning. As soon as he arrives,

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<v Speaker 5>I take I say, Crane, I'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>I take him.

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<v Speaker 5>I go to the casino. I said, Tom, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 5>buy your birthday present. I take out like a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of money at the casino and I walk over to

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<v Speaker 5>the sports book with him, and I say happy birthday,

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<v Speaker 5>and I bet almost all of it on the Chicago

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<v Speaker 5>White Sox in their game. Because he loves the White Sox.

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<v Speaker 5>Take the rest of and I do like socks, runline

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<v Speaker 5>socks first to three. He loves Markami, the Japanese rookie.

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<v Speaker 5>I go, Markamid at a home run so I got

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<v Speaker 5>a pocket full of White Sox tickets. I go these win,

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<v Speaker 5>I'll give you half the money. He goes, Oh, this

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<v Speaker 5>is great, What a fun time are we gonna watch it?

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<v Speaker 5>I go, yep, there's a barbecue tonight at my neighbors.

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<v Speaker 5>He's got a big TV. He takes out for the

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<v Speaker 5>big games. I'll ask him to take the TV out

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<v Speaker 5>for the opposite of a big game, a mid July

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<v Speaker 5>mid July regular season Al Central game. We get to

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<v Speaker 5>the barbecue later, TV's up.

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<v Speaker 4>On the wall.

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<v Speaker 5>I got the game going. I go, Tom, it's just

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<v Speaker 5>I got a seat right here for you. It's you

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<v Speaker 5>and me and this TV and the kids are distracted,

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<v Speaker 5>and we're gonna drink a hundred beers. We're gonna win

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<v Speaker 5>this game. It's going to be incredible. We sit down,

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<v Speaker 5>games about to start. Another guest comes up, who I

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<v Speaker 5>knew vaguely, and she goes, what wonderful luck. My mother

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<v Speaker 5>is also here from out of town.

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<v Speaker 1>Can she join? You said?

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, of course if she wants to endure this absolutely.

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<v Speaker 5>Is she from Chicago. No, she is from the West

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<v Speaker 5>African country of Molly. Great. She comes around the corner. She's,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, elderly, just like my father in law. She's

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<v Speaker 5>in a beautiful dress. She has a cane. I said, hi, welcome,

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<v Speaker 5>She says, beau soir.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 5>She only speaks French.

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<v Speaker 1>No way, bonjour.

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<v Speaker 5>We sit down and me and Big Tom and this

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<v Speaker 5>lady watched the entire game. Every pitch and me and

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<v Speaker 5>time had about five hundred milli lights and we watched

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<v Speaker 5>one of the most excruciating baseball games ever ever recorded.

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<v Speaker 5>It was tied halfway through the game. There were like

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<v Speaker 5>twenty combined strikeouts. The Socks lost on like two excruciating

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<v Speaker 5>errors and about five hundred warning track fly balls, the

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<v Speaker 5>last of which I was like, oh my god, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>in hell. And I looked at this lady and she

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<v Speaker 5>was just going mm mmmm like she finally was why

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<v Speaker 5>it was so painful. We lose all the money. It

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<v Speaker 5>was horrific. We had a great time, though, Tom was

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<v Speaker 5>very pleased. Thirteen hours later, after the game's over, the

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<v Speaker 5>Socks play again, twelve to three win. Murakami hits two

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<v Speaker 5>fucking home runs on his bobblehead day with his family

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<v Speaker 5>in from Japan in the crowd. What could be easier

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<v Speaker 5>than winning a baseball game, they said, So baseball betting

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<v Speaker 5>continues to be a lifetime of endless pain that will

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<v Speaker 5>never cease. Football needs to come back right away. Happy birthday, Tom.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm out here.

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<v Speaker 1>As always Matt Mitchell bringing the most charming betting stories

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<v Speaker 1>to our very literate betting podcast. Let's give it Up

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<v Speaker 1>for Big Tom. Happy birthday, Big Tom. I feel bad

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<v Speaker 1>for you. They've been rooting for the White Sox, but

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<v Speaker 1>they got a little bit of something special going. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're turning around. Signon, We're going to bring in guest.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to bring in Rich Weebar we bring in

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<v Speaker 1>every year to do our quarterback rankings. He's a fantasy expert.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a friend of the show. He's from Sharp Football Analysis. Rich.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to save us from ourselves today?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I actually just realized I left a complete player off,

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<v Speaker 6>So I don't think I am.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry enough.

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<v Speaker 6>Already, so when we already get to this, like wait

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<v Speaker 6>a second, I totally missed a like a big blind spot.

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<v Speaker 6>But you know, you know, being being where I'm at,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, sad to see you know, Lebron not come

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<v Speaker 6>give one final ride. You know, I'm listening to the background,

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<v Speaker 6>and I know every every podcast is looking for their

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<v Speaker 6>host review of the Odyssey at this point, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>after two weeks, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, just tell me you're on my side and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>continue to have a great show and it'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I did I enjoyed the movie.

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<v Speaker 6>It was if if you were to tell me Christopher

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<v Speaker 6>Nolan made an Odyssey movie.

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<v Speaker 4>That's exactly what you got.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know what, best analysis so far. Here's how

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to do the show, how we do it

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<v Speaker 1>every year. Right, I'm gonna go first. I'm probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make Simon sick to his stomach. Then Rich is going

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<v Speaker 1>to go, Then Simon's gonna go. We're gonna go from

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<v Speaker 1>ten to one. Some notes from last year. Rich warned

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<v Speaker 1>us that C. J. Stroud was likely to regress in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five. He did. Simon is the only guy

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<v Speaker 1>with Dak Prescott on his twenty twenty five list. Well done, Simon,

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<v Speaker 1>Chad little too much faith in Jared Goff. Won't make

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<v Speaker 1>that mistake again. Simon's best quote, Chad's list is painful

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<v Speaker 1>to me. I will say that came right after Rich

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<v Speaker 1>said my list wasn't too bad and we had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of overlap. And then Simon also said the last

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<v Speaker 1>two years, I've been the only one to rank Hurts

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<v Speaker 1>over Herbert so far, I look like a genius.

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<v Speaker 3>Now do you remember why I said your list was painful? Chad?

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<v Speaker 3>Or no you black it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I usually forget everything that's ever been critically said of me,

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<v Speaker 1>I only lived in a rose colored glasses world.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had Stafford at number five, which you were

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<v Speaker 2>killing me for, and you had Stafford not in your

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<v Speaker 2>top ten. And that's why I was just like, I

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<v Speaker 2>might have to throw out Chad's entire list. Not only

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<v Speaker 2>did Stafford have a career year, he won the MVP

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<v Speaker 2>last year. People, the year Chad left them off his

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<v Speaker 2>top ten list.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I might have pulled a rich and just forgot them.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as soon as you said it, I'm like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that guy. That's good. See but this year,

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<v Speaker 1>so we got set. The three of us have seven

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<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks that appear in all three of our top ten lists. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll go over them at the end. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where everyone has them ranked in order. I spent

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time on my list. What I realized

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<v Speaker 1>is that every single division had to me at least

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<v Speaker 1>two quarterbacks who you could debate were worthy of being

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<v Speaker 1>on the list, except for one the NFC South. So

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<v Speaker 1>that to me was really interesting. I'm going to start

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<v Speaker 1>from the bottom. I had a really hard time with this,

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of bottom two, eleven and ten, let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, Simon. We had Solac on the car

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. Ben Sola from ESPN on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and he talked about two rank two stats that he

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<v Speaker 1>loves when he's analyzing quarterbacks, and it's EPA per drop

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<v Speaker 1>back and success rate. Only a handful of quarterbacks are

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<v Speaker 1>in the top ten in both of those categories, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I was really upset that one of the quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>on that list I ultimately decided was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>out of my top ten, and that was Brock Purty.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love rock Party and for me, it came

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<v Speaker 1>down to Brock Purty and Caleb Williams for number ten.

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<v Speaker 1>No surprise, I went with Kayleb william because here's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt in the in the intro, I mentioned that we

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<v Speaker 1>do this through a betting lens, right, And to me,

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<v Speaker 1>this is about projecting the quarterbacks, not necessarily who are

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<v Speaker 1>going to have the best stats or it could be

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<v Speaker 1>the MVP. It's going to be the quarterbacks who we

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<v Speaker 1>either are most upset that we bet against in the

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<v Speaker 1>final two minutes of a game, or that we are

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<v Speaker 1>happiest that we bet on in the final two minutes

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<v Speaker 1>of the game. And you could argue that Perty and Caleb,

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<v Speaker 1>both of them could could qualify. I think because of

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<v Speaker 1>the combination. I love Caleb with Ben Johnson. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Johnson is a dog and I don't think he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to let Caleb regress. I think that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of opportunities for improvement to build on the natural talent.

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<v Speaker 1>Perdy I think is great. He was top four in QB,

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<v Speaker 1>in EPA per dropback and in success rate last year.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, it came down a little bit too talent

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<v Speaker 1>around them and injuries. You know, Purdy has had some

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<v Speaker 1>injury issues. So I want Caleb at number ten. He

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<v Speaker 1>does not appear on all three of our lists. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he's on anyone else's list. At number nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Herbert Justin Herbert, and Justin Herbert does appear on

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<v Speaker 1>all of our lists. Any comments so far before I

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<v Speaker 1>move on, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>We're on the same boat where it's like that that

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<v Speaker 2>back end of kayleb Purdy, Golf, Jordan love Baker.

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<v Speaker 3>It's who's preference.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all gonna be preference between all of us, right,

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<v Speaker 2>These guys are all no real playoffs success totally not

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<v Speaker 2>like superstars in any sense of the world's.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and they're kind of all just mixed together there.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's all about preferences. So it's like, es much

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<v Speaker 3>I want to knock your list. No, I agree with it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you just said, I finally have Herbert back

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<v Speaker 2>in my top ten. I'll explain my is why. And

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<v Speaker 2>with Purdy I left him out of my top ten

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<v Speaker 2>as well, just because it's just hard to get him

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<v Speaker 2>over certain guys that we're talking about here where it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>we know Perdy is top ten talent. If they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if he wins two playoff games next year, he makes

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<v Speaker 2>the conference championship game, I could easily see all of

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<v Speaker 2>us happening in our top ten next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Right Purdy has no doubt has a talent level.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just can he be consistent And at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day, that team is still a Christian McCaffrey team.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's just that's my view of it. With a

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<v Speaker 2>party right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, all right? At eight, Dak Prescott, I'm really high

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<v Speaker 1>on the Cowboys this year, Simon, We've talked a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about this. I think I think their defense is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be improved. I like what they did in the draft.

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<v Speaker 1>I think just getting rid of vibra flues and upgrading

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<v Speaker 1>a defensive coordinator and their offense. To me last year,

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<v Speaker 1>super impressed with Schottenheimer. Seven Jordan Love. I cannot find

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<v Speaker 1>a reason to not have Jordan Love on this list.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was doing my research yesterday, I came across

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<v Speaker 1>a stat from Barnwell. Since the second half of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, you know, Jordan Love's rookie year, in his

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<v Speaker 1>first not rookie year, but first year starting, Jordan Love

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<v Speaker 1>has the best QBR in the NFL. He has the

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<v Speaker 1>fewest interceptions in the NFL amongst starting quarterbacks. So to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I just love the guy, and I think with Matt Lfleure,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great combination, and you think about what he's

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<v Speaker 1>done and how effective he's been even when he hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>had a ton of help at the receiver position. Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>Love top ten for me. Six Stafford projecting a little regression.

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<v Speaker 1>Things went perfect. Too many concerns in twenty six about

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<v Speaker 1>what if he does get injured, right, That was a

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<v Speaker 1>concern for us last year. Five Five Drake May does

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<v Speaker 1>not appear on all three of our lists. Went back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth, back and forth, back and forth. At the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, it was hard for me not

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<v Speaker 1>to have him in there, given that I think their

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<v Speaker 1>offense line could be a little better, the running game

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<v Speaker 1>could be a little better. AJ Brown could make him

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<v Speaker 1>a little better, and he did a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>last year that like was beyond the norm given the

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<v Speaker 1>level of talent and the situations that he was in.

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<v Speaker 1>Forget about the schedule, like he did it against NFL

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<v Speaker 1>caliber talent for Borough three Mahomes, two, Lamar one, Josh Allen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting to me my top four guys, all of

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<v Speaker 1>them are coming off some kind of not perfect year,

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<v Speaker 1>But to me, there's still the class of the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>So rich any feedback for me, No.

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<v Speaker 4>I like it. I think the list is you had

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<v Speaker 4>to include Caleb. I knew you would.

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<v Speaker 6>I knew Caleb was going to get in there at

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<v Speaker 6>least for you. And like you said, you know getting

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<v Speaker 6>to ten, you know twenty, we don't have thirty two

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<v Speaker 6>good quarterbacks doing this job on the play in it.

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<v Speaker 6>But when you have, do you have to cut at

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<v Speaker 6>to ten? You do have to kind of it is arbitrary.

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<v Speaker 6>There are guys like I debated back and forth, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>between I was between Jordan Love. I had Trevor Lawrence

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<v Speaker 6>in there, but I totally forgot so I accidentally just

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<v Speaker 6>totally overlooked Drake May. Like I'm like, why why is

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<v Speaker 6>Drake May out of my list? Like, but he should be,

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<v Speaker 6>So he is on my corrected list. I'm gonna throw

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<v Speaker 6>the producer for a curveball, but he because he should be.

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<v Speaker 6>I just don't know why it's blacked out and didn't

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<v Speaker 6>have Drake May on the list that got.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I'm not surprised, Like Simon and I

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<v Speaker 1>have debated Drake May multiple times this offseason, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>could say he's a top five quarterback, you could say

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't belong on the list. So if you would

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<v Speaker 1>say he's not on the list, I wouldn't be surprised.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean so I do mine a little bit

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<v Speaker 6>different than you guys. I kind of look at it

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<v Speaker 6>just like who do I think are going to be

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<v Speaker 6>the best statistical quarterbacks in twenty twenty six, Like it's

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<v Speaker 6>like a marriage of my fantasy hat plus like what

0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.679
<v Speaker 6>we're doing right, like just isolated this year, you know

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<v Speaker 6>what we're gonna do. And I still think Drake May

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<v Speaker 6>a guy that had that year two, and like you said,

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<v Speaker 6>the offensive line is going to improve their move Jarrett Wilson,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, to center. They have actual outs now if

0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 6>they need to move Campbell to out of left tackle

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<v Speaker 6>at some point this year. If he ends up picks

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<v Speaker 6>up where he left off in the playoffs, They've got

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 6>guys in Joss around and last year his number one

0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 6>wide receiver was on the field for sixty five percent

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.040
<v Speaker 6>of the dropbacks. And they're gonna have two full time

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 6>players now potential upgrades and AJ Brown and Romeo Dobbs.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think that he's going to continue.

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<v Speaker 4>To propel forward the stretch.

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<v Speaker 6>Dictually, strength of schedule is going to be a big

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<v Speaker 6>sticking point this year. They're going to have to get,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, perform against these teams now that they're not

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<v Speaker 6>going to sneak up on punch. They have to punch

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<v Speaker 6>up this year, so that remains to be seen. So

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<v Speaker 6>I actually do have him in here, so I'm slotting

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<v Speaker 6>him in, But like you said, I was between all

0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.280
<v Speaker 6>those guys then I ended up did getting purty in mind,

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 6>I stuck him at ten still, just because I think

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.920
<v Speaker 6>he gets a little bit of the misnomer that he's

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<v Speaker 6>like a product of Kyle Shanahan, And I still think

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<v Speaker 6>that's such a big misnomer because the last two years

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<v Speaker 6>what he's dealt with in terms of what the forty

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 6>nine ers have put on the field, and for this

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<v Speaker 6>guy to have the production that he's having, he creates

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 6>so much more off script than any guy that Shanahan's

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:12.719
<v Speaker 6>had since RG three, and he's a way better passer

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.399
<v Speaker 6>than RG three ever was. But I mean even last year,

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:18.640
<v Speaker 6>Kittle misses six more games, Pierce Sall missus eight games,

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.880
<v Speaker 6>Juwan Jennings misses two games, Brandon and Yuke obviously never

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:25.879
<v Speaker 6>showed up, and Christian McCaffrey had the worst rushing season

0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 6>of his career, and like you know, the guy still

0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.200
<v Speaker 6>gets them into the playoffs, and the defense was dead

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 6>at that point that the back half of the year.

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<v Speaker 6>So I still think Perdy doesn't get enough credit. So

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<v Speaker 6>he made my ten. That's where I decide to stick

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:39.560
<v Speaker 6>at that arbitrary slot of like, I'm putting this guy

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 6>in the list because I at least want to vouch

0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 6>for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't hate it. Look, if not for Kayler Williams, I

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 1>would have had him there. But obviously there might be

0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:52.560
<v Speaker 1>some buys involved there. Who's your nine?

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<v Speaker 6>Nine is where I have Jalen Hurts, And it's really tough.

0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.160
<v Speaker 6>I have a couple of guys here where I don't

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 6>know how much I want to penalize them, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>based on last year, but I do believe that, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>when we're looking at just like Hurts coming into this season,

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:08.760
<v Speaker 6>it feels weird that he's at a folk room point, right,

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 6>like a guy that's won a Super Bowl, been to

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<v Speaker 6>two arguably is the best player in both Super Bowls

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 6>that he's been in, just done nothing but win. Was

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 6>saddled with like this high school offense last year, you know,

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 6>from Odysseus. But like I look at the moves that

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:27.000
<v Speaker 6>they've made this offseason. He loses aj Brown, who is

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.400
<v Speaker 6>like a tailor made receiver for him. Like Jalen Hurts

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 6>is a guy that wants to see the throw.

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<v Speaker 4>To rip the throw.

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<v Speaker 6>He doesn't play with a lot of anticipation. He's never

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.399
<v Speaker 6>played under center. It's I mean the first time in

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 6>his career, you know, going back probably to pre high

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 6>school and probably in high school, he never played under

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<v Speaker 6>center either.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm assuming you know.

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<v Speaker 6>Is he gonna have like is he gonna gel with

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 6>this system, the Seawan Mannon system. I'm a little bit

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 6>concerned to a degree. There's so much collective talent for

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 6>the Eagles. They're going to be a winning team. Like

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 6>the defense is too good, the offensive line when healthy's good,

0:25:57.480 --> 0:25:59.679
<v Speaker 6>Saquon Barkley steel Like, they're going to win games. I

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 6>just don't know if Jalen Hurts is going to deliver

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 6>that like high end passing production, and if he's gonna

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:07.360
<v Speaker 6>even go back to running at this point he kind

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 6>of has talked about, you know, is those like kind

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.440
<v Speaker 6>of days a little bit past him a little bit? So, Uh,

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 6>I do have Hurts there, Then I have Dak Then

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 6>I have Drake May. I still couldn't. I still couldn't

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 6>put May over Stafford because even with some aggression, I

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 6>still think the Rams are set up for Stafford to

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:25.720
<v Speaker 6>really cook at least give us one more good run.

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<v Speaker 6>Then I have Mahomes and Mames another guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want Simon's quick take, because I didn't have

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Hurts on my list. He make it obviously. Uh And Simon,

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:44.640
<v Speaker 1>who has been adamant that Hurts as a top two

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 1>quarterback at times. Uh, I don't want you to tell

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 1>me if you have Hurts on your list. I just

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:53.399
<v Speaker 1>want to see if you have a strong opinion about

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 1>what Rich has said about Jalen Hurts.

0:26:57.680 --> 0:26:59.919
<v Speaker 2>People go get your MVP bets on Hurts while you

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 2>and Chad did not live in them on his top

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 2>ten list. And we know when Chad is put in

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:07.159
<v Speaker 2>the top ten list, you win MVP. So I was

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:08.879
<v Speaker 2>very happy Chad not gonna lie when you didn't have

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 2>in your top ten. H If you want to go

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 2>back and listen, I want to plug our old show.

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 2>But every year Chad has not had Hurts in his

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 2>top ten. Since Hurts has been a starter.

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 3>We made the super Bowl.

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, you have this weird rhythm where we Chat doesn't

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 2>have him, he makes Super Bowl, Chat will have him

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.119
<v Speaker 2>that next year, we don't do anything, Chad will leave

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 2>him off. The following year, then we make the super Bowl,

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and then we know the history here.

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.199
<v Speaker 3>So, uh, Chat, I appreciate it.

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 2>You were a creature of habit and you stuck to

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 2>your your your pattern on the focal point.

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:40.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm by the way, I'm kind of Zeus in

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>this scenario. I'm the god who's controlling the Eagles future. Rich,

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 1>please continue, Well.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean I mean to say six, he did,

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:55.359
<v Speaker 6>yeah at five, And man, I almost think, like you

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 6>can make argument he should be lower this year. And

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.959
<v Speaker 6>I would love to get into this Mahomes conversation a

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 6>little bit to.

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 4>Moms at five, who's at six Stafford.

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 6>But Mahomes was the toughest guy for me to rank

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 6>because the way I do it, Like I said, looking

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 6>at this season in isolation, you know he's coming off

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 6>of the a cl I mean, we have now three

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 6>years running. Are we going to keep just like chasing

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 6>the cachet of like Patrick Mahomes attached to peak Tyreek

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 6>Kill and Apex Travis Kelcey. You know everyone's like, oh, well,

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 6>Matt Naggy's gone. Well look what did Eric Benning me

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 6>do that time he was gone? Eric the enemy also

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.400
<v Speaker 6>had peak tyreri Kill and Peak Travis. Like this intersection

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 6>of talent. The Chiefs decided to really just address defense

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 6>this year. They were like, hey, because I look and

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 6>I get it, like if I had a talent like

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 6>Patrick Mahomes, I probably would have built my roster with

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 6>little Hubris too. And it you know, they got away

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 6>with it the year before, right when they won all

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 6>those they had, all those comeback wins. But the offense

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 6>has been pretty bad for three years.

0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 4>Like it's been it's it's a.

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 6>Mediocre to below average offense. And this year the only

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 6>change that they've made on offense wholesale is adding Kenneth Walker.

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 6>They've decided to just throw all their equity and free

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 6>agency in the draft into defense. They sell players that

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 6>can't get open and beat man coverage. In this Vic

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 6>Fangio quarters, meta teams are approaching playing the Kansas City

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 6>Chiefs with man coverage at higher rates than anyone else because.

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 4>They don't respect any of the weapons that they have.

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 6>They have no guys that can create on their own,

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 6>and they've put all this onus on Patrick Mahomes over

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:35.959
<v Speaker 6>the past three years. This isn't a one year thing.

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 6>It's not a two year thing. This is a three

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 6>year thing. He's seventeenth in the NFL completion rate, he's

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 6>twenty thirds in yards for pass attempt, he's twentieth in

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 6>touchdown rate, and he's twentieth in interception rate. But he's

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 6>Patrick Mahomes, right, It's like so like it's he is

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 6>the hardest guy for me to right now. Slot based

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 6>on the way I do this, like it's like thinking

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 6>about it in isolation. They didn't add they didn't give

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 6>him any weapons, and he's coming off the ACL like,

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 6>and what's funny is you know Andy Reid, who's gonna

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 6>moonwalk into the Hall of Fame. And you look at

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 6>all the easy buttons what NFL coaches are doing right now,

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 6>he's also not doing any of those things. It's really weird,

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 6>Like the level of hubris the Chiefs have operated.

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>At you sound like Matt Mitchell, who's your so, who's four?

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<v Speaker 4>I have Herbert the one. You know, I'm the lone Herbert.

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 6>You know Stonkbuyer on this on this program, and I

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 6>have been forever. H I mean, just I think this

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 6>when you look at just coming into this year, the

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 6>marriage of Mike McDaniel. Anytime a Shanahan system coordinator play

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 6>caller has had a guy with any level of talent

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 6>at the quarterback position, these guys absolutely wreck. I mean,

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 6>they've turned water into wine out of guys like Jimmy Garoppolo,

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 6>Brian Greasy, Matt Shaub, Derek Carr, Sam Darnold won a

0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 6>Super Bowl last year. Guys like Kirk Cousins as a

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 6>higher touchdown rate the past three years than Patrick.

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<v Speaker 4>Mahomes all three years individually.

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<v Speaker 6>So I mean, I think that this is going to

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<v Speaker 6>be the best statistical season that Herbert has had, and

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 6>he had a really good year or two, so I

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<v Speaker 6>think he's in contention for MVP this year, which I

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 6>know no one else I'll agree with. But then I've

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<v Speaker 6>got Lamar, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen to round it up.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, look, there's a lots of debate here.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Herbert. I actually sometimes I grade him down

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>just because I know Simon hates Herbert, and so it

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 1>impacts my thinking in ways that like his love of

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Jalen Hurts doesn't impact my thinking. I want to get

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first of all, in what world do I hate Herbert?

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<v Speaker 3>I gave him.

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<v Speaker 2>I was the only person in all of media give

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<v Speaker 2>him out rookie the year twenty to one, when everyone

0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 2>else is all over Joe Burrow into as had him

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 2>ranked above to it in the draft that year. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just someone that wants someone to have play success and

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<v Speaker 2>I hate like you guys both had Josh Allen is

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:09.280
<v Speaker 2>your number one player?

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<v Speaker 3>Correct?

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Josh Allen. This will be his ninth season in

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 2>the NFL. So I just I don't get it.

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:18.959
<v Speaker 6>I mean, since he entered the NFL, the only guys

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:20.800
<v Speaker 6>that more playoff wins than him are Tom Brady and

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 6>Patrick Mahomes.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, he just didn't beat those guys.

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Josh Allen beating up bad teams in the

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 2>wildcard round. He's good at it. No one's doubting that.

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:32.760
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think he's number one playing the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just I'm shocked. You guys are in on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's drinking the kool aid where it's like, why do

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<v Speaker 2>we play these games? What's the point of it? So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's tough doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what's interesting that I don't disagree with you, Simon.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, look, part of my Josh Allen at number

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 1>one is a little bit consensus. Like when I was

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.879
<v Speaker 1>doing the research, everybody put Josh Allen at number one,

0:34:57.080 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's weird to say this, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a little bit of like people are doing

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<v Speaker 1>it because Josh Allen is Josh Allen and he's awesome

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>and he can sort of do superhero things. But you're

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 1>not going to put Lamar because Lamar has a new

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 1>coach and he's had some injury issues. You're not going

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>to put my homes because he is coming off the

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>ACL You're not going to put Burrow because he's always

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.840
<v Speaker 1>coming off an injury and the offensive line is suspect.

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 1>But even if it's not, he holds the ball too long.

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 1>So like there's a little bit of Josh Allen by

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 1>default here to me, and I know you look at

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:40.840
<v Speaker 1>it differently. So that's why I'm excited to get to

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 1>your list. I don't know what your list is, so

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:46.879
<v Speaker 1>let's get it from ten to one here, because I'm

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:48.399
<v Speaker 1>excited to see where you land with ten.

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just and again it's just like we always say,

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 2>these lists are tough to do. I just was shocked

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 2>to see you both at allan where It's like, my god,

0:35:58.000 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I get it.

0:35:58.600 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 3>He's the best player of football.

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.759
<v Speaker 2>He's he's he's literally was he six five, two thirty five.

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 2>He never gets hurt, he's incredible, he's a freak. No

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>one's down in that. But he doesn't win the game

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 2>that matters the most. He just every time you can

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>say it's his defense as fall blah blah blah, but

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.439
<v Speaker 2>it's it's just tough to have him at number one.

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:18.800
<v Speaker 3>So I was with you chat at ten with Caleb Williams.

0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I just looking at this list, fighting through all the

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.840
<v Speaker 2>guys that I really love golf obviously, I love what

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, what these teams have done and surrounding these players,

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:30.280
<v Speaker 2>and Jordan love great player.

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 3>And that didn't make my top ten.

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I know he's got all the stats, but it's like

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.799
<v Speaker 2>when I think about comparing him in Caleb, Caleb, in

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.520
<v Speaker 2>those clutch moments in those fourth quarters in that playoff game,

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 2>he showed up. When you go through that entire season

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 2>last year, the fourth quarter, yeah, he could be ugly

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>for three quarters, Caleb kept showing up.

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 3>So I had to put him at ten.

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.280
<v Speaker 2>It's just like this kid and is what I consider

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 2>his rookie year because his first year with Ben Johnson,

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.399
<v Speaker 2>it feels like he super exceeded anything that I could

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 2>have ever projected. And if he keeps on trajectory, we

0:36:58.200 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 2>all keep be sitting here next year and all have

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:01.640
<v Speaker 2>us and have him in our top three. Like that's

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 2>where Caleb's projector right now. Right he has the incredible

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 2>offense with a questionable defense, so he could put up

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 2>incredible numbers. Was he fifty yards short of four thousand

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 2>yards passing last year?

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 3>Jed?

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think bears fans know they got a

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.239
<v Speaker 2>home run there, and yeah, put him at number ten.

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 4>Number nine.

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:19.839
<v Speaker 2>I did finally sneak Herbert back into my top ten.

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 2>As a huge Herbert hater, I had to give him

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 2>props just the fact that the offensive line was so

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>banged up and he kept finding ways. Now you could say,

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, some of those games weren't against the best competition,

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 2>that's true, and even like the ugly games where he

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:39.239
<v Speaker 2>was you know, had a broken hand and it was

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:41.279
<v Speaker 2>just making it all work. He kept finding a way,

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.399
<v Speaker 2>and that's what I've always wanted from Herbert. Now laid

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.440
<v Speaker 2>another egg in the playoffs. So that's why I have

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 2>him any higher. I think nine was very generous to him,

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 2>just because same boat as these other guys.

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 3>This is what year eight, year.

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Nine for him in this league and he's got zero

0:37:56.400 --> 0:38:00.080
<v Speaker 2>playoff wins. Tim Tebow has a playoff win, right, he

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 2>found a way something Herbert's not be able doing his career.

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 2>So that's just my issue where it's like, yes, looks

0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 2>good in shorts, throwing deep balls in practice, looks incredible

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 2>on Sundays, patted up and getting through the hits looks

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>terrible in January.

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 3>So That's that's why I couldn't move Herbert up higher

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 3>on my list.

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Shocker, probably my biggest chocker on those list Chat Baker

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:20.959
<v Speaker 2>at number eight.

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:22.439
<v Speaker 3>I can't quit him.

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 2>I just I think back to me and you're doing

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 2>the regular season, how much we were in love with Baker,

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 2>giving him MVP love for the first four or five weeks.

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 2>And if you watch the TV show on Netflix Chat,

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.360
<v Speaker 2>but he's talking about the injury. This man was playing

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 2>through multiple injuries. And you know, as much as we

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 2>love Baker, that's when his Achilles skills. That's why he's

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:42.319
<v Speaker 2>no longer on the Browns, right. I tried to play

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 2>through injuries and that's costume his career in the Browns.

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:46.879
<v Speaker 2>And now the Bucks are a little weird of giving

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:48.879
<v Speaker 2>him money because it's like, this guy's the body's taking

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 2>some abuse. Are really about to pay him whatever one

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.120
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty million over for three years? I just

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>I just love Baker. He's just everything I look for

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.800
<v Speaker 2>in a quarterback, a gamer, a guy that just doesn't

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 2>give up places through injuries.

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I had him having number eight.

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Rich Rich Simon, let me interrupt you for a second.

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:07.839
<v Speaker 1>I had when I mentioned that every division had two

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 1>guys you could argue are worthy of being on the

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 1>top ten list except for the NFC South. Baker was

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:15.839
<v Speaker 1>the guy I was thinking about in the NFC South

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 1>as the one, and like, to me, he was sort

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>of you know, Trevor Lawrence Baker twelve thirteen. Jalen was there, Like,

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't put Baker on because as much as I

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:34.840
<v Speaker 1>don't want to bet against Baker and I like betting

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 1>on Baker, And again, this is my perspective for all this.

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I have enough faith in what

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the talent is around him that it's going to make

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 1>a difference. And the fact that he's a little guy

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:48.439
<v Speaker 1>and he plays all out and he gets injured a lot.

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:51.359
<v Speaker 1>So that's why I left him off the list. Rich

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:54.839
<v Speaker 1>you didn't have him on the list, and I'm curious why.

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I have him right in that same bucket of guys.

0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I wouldn't push back, like really if you

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 6>in the list, but like that same like Purdy Lawrence

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 6>Jordan love Zone, right, like this is a guy that's

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 6>clearly good enough at playing the position. Maybe you can argue,

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:12.239
<v Speaker 6>like need some more help around him, and maybe like

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:14.840
<v Speaker 6>that's why he doesn't punch up. But this is a

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 6>guy it's super fun to root for. He's another one

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 6>of these guys that guts stuff out. You know, basically

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 6>played with what an oblique, a knee injury, a shoulder

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:26.240
<v Speaker 6>injury all the back half of last year. I'm actually

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 6>high on the Bucks this year being a team that

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 6>is actually really strong. I think Baker's actually gonna have

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.799
<v Speaker 6>a really strong year as well. I think they're set

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 6>up a lot like a couple like the Lions from

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.400
<v Speaker 6>a few years ago, where the Lions have all the

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.360
<v Speaker 6>good offensive pieces, the offensive Lions coming back healthy, the

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 6>defense has an awesome front seven, but they have like

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 6>a really weak secondary, So they're probably gonna play in

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:48.759
<v Speaker 6>like a lot of fun games that drive statistics up

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 6>a little bit.

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:50.239
<v Speaker 4>And then you know.

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:53.759
<v Speaker 6>Getting Zach Robinson, who I believe people we didn't need

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:55.879
<v Speaker 6>to see Zach Robinson, I believe call games the way

0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.840
<v Speaker 6>he intended to going to Atlanta, because first year he

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:01.240
<v Speaker 6>got Kirk Cousins coming off the Achilles, and Kirk Cousins

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 6>couldn't move or play under center. And then you know,

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.399
<v Speaker 6>you thrust Michael Pennix into the line up a guy

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:08.800
<v Speaker 6>who doesn't really fit kind of like that system either,

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 6>because remember they didn't have Michael Pennix on the roster

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:12.560
<v Speaker 6>when he took that job. So I do think we'll

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.840
<v Speaker 6>see Zach Robinson, who was there when Baker Mayfield's toured

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 6>through the Liam Cohen twenty two Rams building, do a

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 6>lot more of the things that Liam Cohen was doing

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 6>with Baker, you know, two years ago.

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>All right, Simon, I don't hate Baker.

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:29.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, again, it's really tough like we talked about,

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>and I do give Baker a little bit of love because,

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 2>like you just said, Liam Cohen left. Now we're stuck

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 2>with you know, Todd Bowles running their show and he's

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:41.880
<v Speaker 2>they paid for it last year, right that eight and

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:42.919
<v Speaker 2>nine finish.

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 3>I really do think they're reflect on the head coach.

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 2>So yeah to number seven. After Baker, I got Dak.

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:50.879
<v Speaker 2>I didn't move him up or down from last year,

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 2>like I just had held the spot where you know,

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 2>my list really is based off past performances. Yes, I'm

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 2>projecting forward, but it's really about what you've done for

0:41:58.360 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 2>me in the past.

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 3>And we go through Dak's career. Has he had the

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 3>playoff success? Not really? I mean he ended obviously Tom

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Brady's career.

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.279
<v Speaker 2>That was his big one playoff win, went to the

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:08.799
<v Speaker 2>Bucks and won on the road, and that.

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Was tom Brady's final game.

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Other than that, though, I mean Dak to me, he

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 2>just makes these plays in the regular season where it's like,

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.319
<v Speaker 2>you can't deny this guy is a top ten talent.

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 2>His greatest pickings of CD Lamb is we talk all

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 2>the time the NFL is filled with talent. These teams

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 2>have a ton of talent. It's all up the quarterback

0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:28.279
<v Speaker 2>to really execute those game pins. And you know that

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.279
<v Speaker 2>last year that offense think how many games he carried

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 2>them in.

0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:32.919
<v Speaker 3>Their defense just kept letting them down.

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:34.920
<v Speaker 2>So I'd nice to see all of this during unison

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:36.879
<v Speaker 2>here on Dak this year where last year I got

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:38.760
<v Speaker 2>we guys left them off right, He's coming off an injury.

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of hard to have in the back of

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:41.920
<v Speaker 2>her mind after those type of season where it's like

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 2>if he didn't play since whatever that was Week five

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>or six. This year just it makes sense, right, he

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:47.520
<v Speaker 2>did so well last year. I think we're all in

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the same page that Dak deserves to be in the

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:49.919
<v Speaker 2>top ten.

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Simon Dak led the league in throwing into tight windows.

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, stud number six, same as last year. Joe Burrow

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 2>took a lot of heat last year for it because

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:06.279
<v Speaker 2>I had Stafford above him. My reasoning does not change

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 2>the same exactly was the last year.

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Stafford has done more in his career, He's proven more

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 2>and as much you want to say as he's gonna

0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 2>get hurt or whatever like that, Joe Burrow is the

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:15.560
<v Speaker 2>same exact vote.

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:16.479
<v Speaker 3>Joe Burrow has.

0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Weird injuries consistently. And you can try to blame his

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:19.879
<v Speaker 2>offensive line.

0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:22.640
<v Speaker 3>We have the data. It's not all on his offensive line.

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Joe has a bunch of bad habits because he did

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 2>have bad offensive lines when he came in the league.

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.319
<v Speaker 2>So hold onto the ball too long, trying to turn

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:31.959
<v Speaker 2>too many big plays. When you just take the sack

0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 2>you just take, you just fall on the ball, right,

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 2>you live for the next down. I think he's gonna

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 2>he's talked about this offse he's gonna try to grow

0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.400
<v Speaker 2>from that and stop taking stupid hits. And you know,

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Joe Flacco has apparently been in his ear about it.

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.879
<v Speaker 2>Just being smarter with the ball and trusting his offensive line.

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 2>So you know this is I think people are starting

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>to come around a little bit to my side of

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Joe Burrow argument. Right, A lot of people always pens

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 2>him as a top three, top four type of guy.

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 2>I think more people are being like, Joe, you got

0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 2>to be on the field, you got to be available.

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:01.280
<v Speaker 2>We all know the talents there. You have t Higgins,

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Jamar Chase, two premier receivers this season. We've talked about Chad.

0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:07.040
<v Speaker 2>It feels like there's no excuse. I am very high

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 2>in the Spangles team. So yeah, number six comes in

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 2>for Joe Burrow, number five, Lamar. I love Lamar. I

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 2>know people are gonna get upset about me have him

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 2>so low. It's the same argument with Josh Allen. It's like,

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.799
<v Speaker 2>what are the excuses? This is year eight or nine.

0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:24.319
<v Speaker 2>You've never been to a super Bowl. You want to

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:27.879
<v Speaker 2>talk about great teams. I've beaten people over the head

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>with this Lamar stat. Lamar in twenty twenty three against

0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the Chiefs in the playoffs, laid a total egg. He

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 2>had the fifth best DVOA team in the history of DVOA.

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 3>Like, I can't get to how big of a deal

0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:41.400
<v Speaker 3>that is to nerds like me.

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:43.960
<v Speaker 2>When you look at the data where it's like every

0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 2>other team in that list in the top ten, about

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.400
<v Speaker 2>eighty percent of them won Super Bowls. So he's the

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 2>rare thing where you know, we can knock Mahomes because

0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 2>my home does score touchdowns. Mahomes can throw for one touchdown,

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:56.799
<v Speaker 2>two picks in that game, finds a way to win

0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Lamar Camp for some reason.

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 3>That's why I have him at number five, where.

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 2>None of us down the talent, but he hasn't played

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs three of the last five years, and that's

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 2>because of injury and missing the playoffs. We all know that,

0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:10.479
<v Speaker 2>but still that's a damning stat like hey, Andrew burrown

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.839
<v Speaker 2>that same boat. They have not played the playoffs three

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.919
<v Speaker 2>of the last five years. So the respect of having

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 2>him in the top five, I think all the shows

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:19.319
<v Speaker 2>how much respect we have a little more on the

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:22.360
<v Speaker 2>talent level. Eventually, it's got to come together, and this

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 2>year it's really gonna be a true test, right the

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 2>new head coach gonna be a great defense. Offensively, I've

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 2>questioned about the offensive line, but it feels like it's

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 2>all there for a little more.

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.759
<v Speaker 3>So we also have them in our top five.

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:37.239
<v Speaker 1>I like about your list so far, Simon is and

0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 1>Rich I'm gonna criticize you and me both here. Like

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 1>I said earlier, we've defaulted it a little bit to

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 1>the names. And Rich made the point with Mahomes, like,

0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 1>what are you going to do? His stats the last

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:55.839
<v Speaker 1>three years are not extraordinary, But it's Patrick Mahomes, And

0:45:55.920 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>I think I didn't have the courage to say, move

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Burrow down, move Lamar down, Like I made my list yesterday.

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what kind of asshole doesn't put Lamar Jackson

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 1>in the top three? Like a courageous asshole doesn't put

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Lamar Jackson in the top three. Someone who's forward looking,

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.319
<v Speaker 1>someone who's looking ahead to what the season is going

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.440
<v Speaker 1>to be. Even though you're saying it's based on past performance,

0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 1>you're lying to yourself because your list isn't based on

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 1>past performance, because your list is based on how you're

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 1>projecting players, which I like, Simon, I'm giving you a compliment.

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:33.439
<v Speaker 1>I like it. I like it a lot.

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 2>It is that's what projecting from the past to the future. Right,

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:39.839
<v Speaker 2>That's that's part of what we look into all these

0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 2>numbers for Right, that's why we dive into past seasons

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 2>and all this other bull crap because it does matter.

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:49.040
<v Speaker 2>It's all different data points. But Josh Allen, be quick.

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I have a Josh Allen number four. I know it's

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of a shocker, but I've kind of made my point.

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.320
<v Speaker 2>No one doubts this is the best player in football,

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:59.440
<v Speaker 2>the biggest athlete. He is incredible to watch. We are

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 2>so bleased that he has been healthy and playing consistently.

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Got to get over the hump, and they've catered to

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:07.920
<v Speaker 2>him right now with Joe Brady. They got rid of

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 2>a coach before in McDermott that he needed to tap

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 2>him on the shoulder and stand up to him before

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 2>that Denver at halftime when Josh lost that ball thirteen seconds,

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 2>I think McDermot knew if we don't win this game,

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm being fired because that was as a head coach.

0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.759
<v Speaker 2>That's inexcusable. And Josh Allen owned that because he is

0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 2>a great man. But that's on the coach. That's where

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 2>you need someone in your elect to step in and

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.319
<v Speaker 2>be like, listen, we can live for half rather than

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:33.279
<v Speaker 2>giving him a free three points in a game that

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.440
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna come down to three points. And that's exactly

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:39.320
<v Speaker 2>what happened. So no one's doubting Josh Allen's talent. I

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:42.320
<v Speaker 2>pain me to put him at number four, but I'll

0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:44.400
<v Speaker 2>go through my top three. I just couldn't find a

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:46.200
<v Speaker 2>reason to put him over these guys who have had

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:50.120
<v Speaker 2>playoff success, and number three, I bumped him down. My man,

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Hurts, God him a number two last year. He

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.839
<v Speaker 2>had to be dropped down, right. They struggled last year,

0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.359
<v Speaker 2>no excuse for him. They should have been at least

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.760
<v Speaker 2>a two or one seed. And Shiriani did see everyone

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:04.399
<v Speaker 2>said everyone in the final week of the season. That's

0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 2>why they can say they didn't get the two seed.

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 2>But I look at Jalen hurts season last year and

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 2>so impressed. Where the offensive line after they lost Lane Johnson,

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.760
<v Speaker 2>they were the twenty ninth ranked offensive line in the NFL.

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 2>But yet Hurts found a way that final ten weeks

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 2>of the season to get them into the playoffs. While

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:24.880
<v Speaker 2>other teams after the Super Bowl hangover, fall off a cliff,

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 2>they still found a way. And as much as you

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:28.879
<v Speaker 2>want to say, well, he's surrounded by a ton of talent,

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:31.919
<v Speaker 2>who what teams aren't. That's my whole point of beating

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 2>these over the hedge where It's like you think Stafford's not

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:36.920
<v Speaker 2>surrounded by Devonte Adams and Puka in a great run

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.880
<v Speaker 2>game to Sean McVay, like you think Hurts would struggle

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 2>in that exact system. I think we had on Seth Wickersham,

0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 2>who you know, one of the swarter minds.

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:47.280
<v Speaker 3>He had golf ranked above Dak.

0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to give Seth too much crap,

0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 2>but if Dak had Sean McVay and then Ben Johnson,

0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:57.720
<v Speaker 2>who's having a better career Dak or you know, golf.

0:48:58.120 --> 0:48:59.759
<v Speaker 2>So I do think coaching matters. And we talk about

0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Hurts because Hurts he's never had the same offense. We're

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 2>talking he's gonna be in a new offense this year.

0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 2>So what this man has done every year, he is

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:10.799
<v Speaker 2>a new oc where Mahomes has consistent offensive corner every years.

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean Josh Allen with Joe Brady, they've catered their

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:16.920
<v Speaker 2>offense to him over these last couple of years. Hurts

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:18.919
<v Speaker 2>is in a weird position where they're not catering this offense.

0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Then they're saying you need to learn this new offense.

0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:23.239
<v Speaker 2>So I agree, we're going to learn a lot about

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Hurts this upcoming season.

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:26.480
<v Speaker 3>But I think he'll adjust to it. He's just a winner.

0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 3>He does what he needs to do to win.

0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:29.880
<v Speaker 2>And last year, where you had all this drama with

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:31.719
<v Speaker 2>AJ and all this other crap going on, this man

0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:34.480
<v Speaker 2>still found a way to potentially become the two scene

0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:36.359
<v Speaker 2>and find a way to the playoffs. And obviously they

0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 2>fell apart in the playoffs, right, that's what they do.

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.359
<v Speaker 2>They either make the super Bowl or they get knocked

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:42.840
<v Speaker 2>out on wild card weekend. But yeah, I end up

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:46.640
<v Speaker 2>having him number three and number two Stafford, I just

0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:47.719
<v Speaker 2>I love him so much.

0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I know had him at five last year took a

0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:52.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of heat from the fans. I was way too

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:56.799
<v Speaker 2>high on them. It's I can't quit Stafford. I really can't.

0:49:56.840 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 2>I know last year's coming up MVP season. I see

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 2>nothing to change here. I know injuries can happen, happen anybody.

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to base that ranking up for where

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 2>it's like projecting out this season.

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:09.560
<v Speaker 3>We're all in agree. It's it's all there for Stafford.

0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Like, even if he throws ten less touchdowns, I think

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 2>that's just a mcmagh is not going to be chasing

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:16.600
<v Speaker 2>MVP for him. I think McVeigh, who likes to run

0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:18.840
<v Speaker 2>the ball in the red zone. He'll happily take this

0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.640
<v Speaker 2>ten touchdowns away to run it. It's just safer. It's

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 2>mcvay's style and system. So as much as I think

0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 2>he'll digress in those numbers, the one seed, all that

0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 2>is for the Dick, and here was Stafford, so I

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 2>had him have a number two chat. I'm shocked that

0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:36.080
<v Speaker 2>you hate that or is it just a shocking player

0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:36.360
<v Speaker 2>to you?

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Shocking play feels uncharacteristically retrospective, And I get what you're saying,

0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 1>like you like you think it's all laid out, and

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Rich said the same thing. It's all laid out for

0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.719
<v Speaker 1>him to dominate this year. And look, Tom Brady had

0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:55.560
<v Speaker 1>five great years after he was the age. Matt Stafford

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:58.719
<v Speaker 1>is now in New England. So I'm not arguing that

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:00.800
<v Speaker 1>he can be great. I just feel like he's a

0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:04.160
<v Speaker 1>little bit more injury prone and then Tom Brady was,

0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 1>and there's still questions about the pressure up the middle

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:09.880
<v Speaker 1>for the Rams, and so I just worry he's not

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 1>going to be as available. Last year might have been

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:13.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of peaque.

0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:19.080
<v Speaker 3>Stafford and number one Drake May. Now what do you

0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:20.279
<v Speaker 3>know who number one is back?

0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I actually wrote down to Holmes before you did it.

0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:25.279
<v Speaker 1>And then I'm like, Drake May, are you kidding me?

0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:27.919
<v Speaker 2>And this is this will be I'll give my first

0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I get my pushback, and I having Drake Man my

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 2>top ten because I know Patriots fans are gonna lose

0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:32.080
<v Speaker 2>their minds.

0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:34.320
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm a hater. It's one season.

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:37.399
<v Speaker 2>It is one season, and it's a one season where yes,

0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:39.920
<v Speaker 2>he was great in the regular season. He struggled in

0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:42.320
<v Speaker 2>mightily once he saw good defenses in the playoffs. And

0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:43.719
<v Speaker 2>you can say, well, that's because there was a line

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 2>or the town he was around him. That same town

0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:48.200
<v Speaker 2>around him almost got him MVP, and you could say

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:49.800
<v Speaker 2>the offensive line did regress.

0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Totally agree.

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:52.520
<v Speaker 2>But when I watched him play, I saw a lot

0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:54.960
<v Speaker 2>of fifty to fifty balls that were successful in Matt

0:51:55.000 --> 0:51:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Collins and Stephan Diggs. I saw a young kid that

0:51:57.440 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 2>pulled it down and scrambled about forty yards fifty yards

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:02.600
<v Speaker 2>per game, which is incredible. We know in this league

0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:05.279
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't last long, right, one bad hit is gonna

0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 2>change that tune.

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:09.160
<v Speaker 3>So I am all four.

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:11.279
<v Speaker 2>Having Drake may my top ten next year if he

0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 2>produces even semi close to what the season.

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:14.719
<v Speaker 3>He just had.

0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 2>If he throws for thirty two touchdowns and over three thousand,

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:21.080
<v Speaker 2>five hundred yards against that schedule next year or this year,

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I'll have him a Top ten, Like, there's no doubt

0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 2>in the talent there. I'm just heavily skeptical and I

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 2>hate how quick we are to move these people up where,

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, as great as a season as he just had,

0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Chad hasn't breaked higher than Jalen Hurts did after he

0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:38.360
<v Speaker 2>went to a Super Bowl and almost outplayed Patrick Mahomes

0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 2>and was a runner up to the MVP as well.

0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:42.279
<v Speaker 2>So it's just I think we all just love Drake

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:44.080
<v Speaker 2>May right now? Is that not fair to say?

0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:46.680
<v Speaker 3>Boys? We all just are in love with the prospect

0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:47.959
<v Speaker 3>of Drake Well.

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I think we had two of us at

0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:52.360
<v Speaker 6>least had Jadeen Daniels on our list last year, and

0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:57.360
<v Speaker 6>it's kind of a similar layout, totally rich, and none

0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:58.759
<v Speaker 6>of us have jayde and Daniels.

0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:01.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, first, actually having in my top thirteen, like I

0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:05.759
<v Speaker 2>guys above, that's a great point. So yeah, my Mahomes take.

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I think you guys already know, right, it's what can

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 2>we do? The man has so many Super Bowl rings.

0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:14.880
<v Speaker 2>It's just I get it. The stats have not backed

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.200
<v Speaker 2>it up, but I think he just he's a chameleon.

0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:19.360
<v Speaker 2>He evolves and just shapes to what he needs to

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.400
<v Speaker 2>be for this team. And he talked about and he

0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:23.279
<v Speaker 2>needs to start using his legs less right, that's a

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 2>big thing he's talked about. They wouldn't got Kenneth Walker

0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:27.279
<v Speaker 2>K nine and Kenneth Walker. I don't know if you

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:30.439
<v Speaker 2>saw the photos Jack Chad. He is jacked right now.

0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:32.560
<v Speaker 2>He is ready for this season. I think that's gonna

0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:34.440
<v Speaker 2>be a huge difference to Maker. They have that had

0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:36.399
<v Speaker 2>a running back like that in his career, Like that's

0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:39.280
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a huge difference in Rashid, Rice and Worthy.

0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 2>It's all them. I don't really think this is all Mahomes.

0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Like Rich has laid it out for you. These guys

0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:47.440
<v Speaker 2>aren't getting separation. That's all these talented receivers like Worthy,

0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:50.319
<v Speaker 2>they drafted him for sweed and separation. He's let them

0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:52.640
<v Speaker 2>down that aspect. So I'm excited to see what they're

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:54.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna be this season. I think Mahomes numbers will improve,

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:56.279
<v Speaker 2>not elae compared to they were the last year. I

0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:58.359
<v Speaker 2>think last year was just a season from hell. Were

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:01.000
<v Speaker 2>they one to nine in one score game? Yeah, that's

0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:02.920
<v Speaker 2>not Mahomes like right the previous year, I think they

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:04.799
<v Speaker 2>were like ten to one in one score game. So

0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a happy medium there. And I get

0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:11.120
<v Speaker 2>the doubt with Mahomes their first time that I think

0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:13.920
<v Speaker 2>any of our lives, we've had any doubt with Mahomes.

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not going to budge yet, right, I need him.

0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:18.040
<v Speaker 2>If he misses the playoff again this year, then I

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.680
<v Speaker 2>start to doubt and move that because we saw Tom Brady.

0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 2>He did have that nine year period right where they

0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:25.319
<v Speaker 2>weren't going to Super Bowls, They couldn't get past the

0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:28.640
<v Speaker 2>conference championship game. So are we hitting that dead period

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:30.600
<v Speaker 2>in Mahomes? If we are, all will adjust because we

0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 2>all know, like Josh Allen, these other guys, Stafford, they

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:36.000
<v Speaker 2>are in my opinion, better at the quarterback position than

0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Mahomes is right now, are they better at winning the

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<v Speaker 2>game that matters the most?

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<v Speaker 3>No, like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Just in the playoffs, when everyone's spink they're super tight,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when he wins. It could be sixteen to ten,

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<v Speaker 2>could be twenty two to thirteen. Mahomes just finds a

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<v Speaker 2>way when it's ugly and cold out, so I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>budge him. Chat still have mahomes my number one guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Asphincter says, what I mean, you want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it movie? Fuck that otysty bullshit. Give me with the

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne's World. All right, Here's who's on our list collectively.

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert Dak Prescott, Stafford, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson,

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Allen, Simon had Baker Mayfield, Rich and I did

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<v Speaker 1>not Simon, and I had Caleb Williams. Rich did not

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<v Speaker 1>Rich and I had Drake may Simon did not. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we can all agree like there is a consensus

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<v Speaker 1>top thirteen and after that it's a jumble in Like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe nine to thirteen is where there's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a mess Rich final word before we get out

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<v Speaker 1>of here.

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<v Speaker 6>No, it's always fun coming out with you guys and

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<v Speaker 6>talking about this and you know, triggering the masses. I

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<v Speaker 6>love how we all approach it differently too, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>but in my opinion, like football is hard, Like it's

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<v Speaker 6>hard to just put it like the onus on, like

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<v Speaker 6>one of these guys winning or can Like we brought

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<v Speaker 6>up Brady and like their law, Like football, man, you

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<v Speaker 6>need a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>To go right around you to win, to win games.

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<v Speaker 6>It's it's hard, man. So it's like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 6>look at some of these guys and I'm like, ah, man,

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<v Speaker 6>playing playing this position is so ludicrous and for all

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<v Speaker 6>of us, like you know, armchair watch, but if you,

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<v Speaker 6>even at low level, have played like quarterback with like

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<v Speaker 6>any type of pass rush and just understand the degree

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<v Speaker 6>of difficulty like these guys operate at like this position,

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<v Speaker 6>it's just absolutely insane. They're able to even do what

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<v Speaker 6>they're able to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Rich It's it's hard talking about it. I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>the Odysseus like challenge of playing quarterback in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>Rich Reebar Sharp Football Analysis. Everyone go check out his stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't really know why you threw that ball that

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<v Speaker 6>far behind. That was a throw that was so bad

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<v Speaker 6>it was even uninterceptible, Like if you're all thro it.

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<v Speaker 4>Bad, throwing really bad so the other team

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<v Speaker 1>You can't get it in thro