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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Law with June Brusso from Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascon is recommending that Eric

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Speaker 1: and Lyle Menendez be resentenced for the nineteen eighty nine

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Speaker 1: murders of their parents.

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you that after a very careful

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Speaker 2: review of all the arguments that were made for people

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Speaker 2: on both sides of this equation, I came to a

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Speaker 2: place where I believe that under the law, resentencing is appropriate.

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Speaker 1: He's recommending a sentence of life with the possibility of

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Speaker 1: parole instead of their current life sentences without parole. The

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Speaker 1: brothers will be eligible for parole immediately if a judge

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Speaker 1: and the parole board agree. Joining me is Palm Beach

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Speaker 1: County State Attorney Dave Ahrenberg. Dave tell us why the

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Speaker 1: district attorney said he's going to recommend having Menendez brothers resentenced.

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Speaker 3: Well, first, you have a reform minded district attorney there

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Speaker 3: who has done other resentencing. He's been criticized for his

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Speaker 3: approach to the criminal justice system. He has an election

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Speaker 3: in two weeks against a challenger who's running on a

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Speaker 3: tough on crime platform, but he is true to who

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Speaker 3: he is this district attorney is someone who believes in rehabilitation,

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Speaker 3: and he made a big point of saying that the

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Speaker 3: Menendaz brothers were model prisoners, even though they got life

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Speaker 3: in prison and had nothing to live for, that they

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Speaker 3: were model prisoners. But he also stressed that there was

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Speaker 3: new evidence that showed that the brothers were subjected to

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Speaker 3: sex abuse in the hands of the father. So he

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Speaker 3: is not supporting the downfiling of the charge to manslaughter.

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Speaker 3: He's saying it should be resentenced as murder, but that

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Speaker 3: since the two brothers committed this horrible crime while they

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Speaker 3: were under the age of twenty six they were twenty

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Speaker 3: one and eighteen at the time, that they would be

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Speaker 3: eligible for parole. And so he's recommending that they be

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Speaker 3: resentenced to murder fifty to one hundred years with parole,

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Speaker 3: essentially to be re sentenced with parole as opposed to

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Speaker 3: life without parole, and then the parle would be eulitible immediately.

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Speaker 3: So conceivably, if a judge agrees, and the judge still

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Speaker 3: must agree, the Menendez brothers would be resentenced, go before

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Speaker 3: the parle board and possibly released.

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Speaker 1: So did it seem as if he was backing into

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Speaker 1: it like that. He set it up so that they

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Speaker 1: could be released immediately if a judge agrees.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. I think he did it this

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Speaker 3: way so that he was involved in it. But it's

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Speaker 3: not his decision to release it. Ultimately, it was going

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Speaker 3: to be the judge's decision, but he added an additional

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Speaker 3: layer on top of that. Not only will it be

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Speaker 3: the judge's decision, will also be the parole boards decision.

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Speaker 3: So for those who say, hey, you release the Menenda's brothers,

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Speaker 3: he can rightfully say that, no, I just recommended something,

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Speaker 3: but it was the judge and then this parole board

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Speaker 3: that made that decision.

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Speaker 1: So he talked about the two trials of the Menandez brothers,

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Speaker 1: explain what happened at the two trials and the sexual

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Speaker 1: abuse allegations.

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Speaker 3: The two trials took place in the first one ended

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Speaker 3: in a mistrial, hung jury, and then there was a

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Speaker 3: second trial and the second trial, the judge did not

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Speaker 3: allow the claim of sexual abuse to come in for

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Speaker 3: the defense. The defense wanted to go into the issue

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Speaker 3: of sexual abuse. There wasn't as much evidence of it

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Speaker 3: back then. Plus it was a different time and these

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Speaker 3: issues were not as prevalent in these types of cases,

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Speaker 3: and so the judge said, no, you can't bring it up,

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Speaker 3: you can't bring it in, and the brothers were found guilty.

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Speaker 3: You remember, during the first trial there was an outcry

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Speaker 3: because people thought this these brothers were just vicious killers

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Speaker 3: who were doing it because they didn't want to get

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Speaker 3: written out of their father's will. And then once they

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Speaker 3: slaughtered their parents, who were eating ice cream in front

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Speaker 3: who premeditated all this, who planned this, that they were

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Speaker 3: dressed at the trial in these soft sweaters that made

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Speaker 3: them look like mister Rogers, and there was a hung jury.

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Speaker 3: But then on the second trial, with the new instruction

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Speaker 3: from the judge that they could not use the abuse excuse,

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Speaker 3: then the jury found them guilty. They were sentenced to

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Speaker 3: life in prison without parole. And here we are today.

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Speaker 1: How much of this do you think can be attributed

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Speaker 1: to the Me too movement and the different way we

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Speaker 3: There's some of that, It's a different time, but also

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Speaker 3: social media. You had celebrities way in on the Menena's brothers.

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Speaker 3: They caught on the social media circuit, where you had

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Speaker 3: people say, hey, these brothers were abused, especial when the

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Speaker 3: new evidence came out, and they're so interesting and they

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Speaker 3: family members even got involved on their side, and eventually

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Speaker 3: media aspect in it all and celebrities, it culminated into

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Speaker 3: the DA recommending that they be resentenced. Normally is the

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Speaker 3: DA that resists it. Remember, this is a motion filed

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Speaker 3: by the defense lawyers a while ago in front of

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Speaker 3: the judge and was penning in front of the judge.

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Speaker 3: The DA did not have to give this recommendation, but

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Speaker 3: he did. That's what's so interesting about this is that

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Speaker 3: normally the DA is the one who says, no, let's

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Speaker 3: keep it behind bars. Now, my issue as a sitting

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Speaker 3: prosecutor is not with the DA's recommendation. When it comes

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Speaker 3: to the murder of the father Jose he was apparently,

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Speaker 3: according to the evidence that has come out, he was

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Speaker 3: accused of sexual abuse not just against the sons but

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Speaker 3: against one of the members of Menudo who came out

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Speaker 3: and said that this guy sexually abused him. So I

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Speaker 3: understand how they prosecutor here could try to resentence the

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Speaker 3: now have credence. But what about the mother. There is

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Speaker 3: no credible allegation that the mother was sexually abusing the children,

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Speaker 3: and yet they slaughtered the mother. Not only they murdered

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Speaker 3: the mother lyle Menendez shot the mother, and the mother

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Speaker 3: her mother. And it did so in such a bloody, calculated,

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Speaker 3: brutal way that law enforcement thought it was a mob hit.

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Speaker 3: It was a mafia that did this, and that boys

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Speaker 3: lied about it and lied repeatedly about what happened, and

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Speaker 3: got tennis lessons and through parties and lived the high life,

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Speaker 3: living off their famili's money until they're eventually caught.

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Speaker 1: The prosecutor mentioned that after Netflix began streaming the true

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Speaker 1: crime drama Monsters the lylent Eric Menendez story. His office

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Speaker 1: was inundated with calls from the public, and that's why

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Speaker 1: he says he decided to move up this decision. How

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Speaker 1: much of this decision do you think is because so

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Speaker 1: many people watch those documentaries and saw a different side

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Speaker 1: of this, and it's been the subject of debate once again.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the culture in today.

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Speaker 3: We're so divided on everything, it seems like, and we're

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Speaker 3: divided on this as well. And there are people who

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Speaker 3: are years removed from the situation who now look at

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Speaker 3: the brothers as victims themselves, when a lot of us

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Speaker 3: who were around when this happened, a lot of them

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Speaker 3: is spoiled, entitled brutal killers who plan this murder, lied

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Speaker 3: their parents on themselves. I guess people grieve in different ways,

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Speaker 3: but in this case, it was not a good look

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Speaker 3: for them. And years have passed and the one thing

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Speaker 3: that a couple of things that have come up in

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Speaker 3: their favor that first they have been model prisoners that

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Speaker 3: they have been. I don't think anyone disagrees with that,

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Speaker 3: and they there is now new evidence that shows that

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Speaker 3: looks like jose the father did engage in sexual abuse

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Speaker 3: against the brothers. Now is that enough to release them?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, but I'm up the DA there.

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Speaker 1: They have served thirty five years though.

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Speaker 3: Well, for murder you can get life, and you should

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Speaker 3: a pre first agree pre meditated murder gets you life

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Speaker 3: or the death penalty. That's what they're convicted for. First agree,

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Speaker 3: premeditated murder and not just murder, double murder. So, although

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Speaker 3: I do understand reducing the sentence for the father's murder

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Speaker 3: because that could be more of a manslaughter case, saying

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Speaker 3: getting parole for that, I still would not have supported

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Speaker 3: that for the mother because the way the mother was

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Speaker 3: killed was unnecessary and was particularly brutal, and it was

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Speaker 3: clear to me the reason why they killed the mother

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Speaker 3: was to eliminate the witnesses so they could claim that

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Speaker 3: they were innocent, they had nothing to do with this,

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Speaker 3: and they'd go on their spending spree. But they were

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Speaker 3: convicted of both murders and now looks like they're going

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Speaker 1: Well, you feel that way, and apparently a lot of

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Speaker 1: people in the prosecutor's office feel that way. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that the judge or parole board will say, no,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to do this.

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Speaker 3: I think when the prosecutor's office recommends resentencing, then the

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Speaker 3: judge and the pro board would probably go along. I

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Speaker 3: think if they would expect the prosecutor's office to resist it,

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Speaker 3: and when they're in favor of it, I do think

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Speaker 3: that the chants are likely. They will go free now

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Speaker 3: and then I guess they could try to monetize their

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Speaker 3: that that could happen. But you know, they'll never be

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Speaker 3: able to escape what they've done. And the DA did

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Speaker 3: say that it's not condoniate, not excusing it. There's a

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Speaker 3: brutal murder, and even if you're the victim of abuse,

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Speaker 3: you should report it to authorities. You don't get to

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Speaker 3: take the law on your own hands. But I do

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Speaker 3: think that they're getting out if they do get out

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Speaker 3: too early for this double murder. Again, maybe it would

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Speaker 3: it be justified for the murder of the father to

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Speaker 3: get out after thirty five years, but the murder of

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Speaker 3: the mother, I think the life sentence was appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there'll be some questioning of this

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Speaker 1: decision because of the timing so close to a close

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are going to be questions about that that

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Speaker 3: this took place two weeks before the election and the

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Speaker 3: das on the ballot. But you know, the DA is

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Speaker 3: within his rights to do it now when this motion

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Speaker 3: has been pending for a while, and he perhaps wants

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Speaker 3: it to be done now before the November election takes

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Speaker 3: up all the oxygen in the room, and before the

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Speaker 3: in the room as well in southern California. So praps,

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Speaker 3: he thought today was the best day to make his announcement.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with the judge and the Parole Board.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Dave. That's Palm Beach County State Attorney

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Speaker 1: Dave Arenberg. I'm June Grosso, and you're listening to Bloomberg.

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Speaker 5: Invoke the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: is immigration law expertly on Fresco, a partner at Honden Knight.

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Speaker 1: Leon Trump is promising to carry out mass deportations by

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Speaker 1: using this two hundred and twenty six year old law.

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Speaker 1: Is what he's suggesting legal using that act.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's what it's going to come down to. Like

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Speaker 4: everything else, it's going to come down to a matter

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Speaker 4: of fagitatory interpretation, because the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen

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Speaker 4: ninety eight actually has a provision in it that says

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Speaker 4: that the quote unquote invasion that's happening as a result

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Speaker 4: Trump administration is going to say is we are being invaded,

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Speaker 4: especially by gang members of certain countries, and the one

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Speaker 4: he's most concerned with is Venezuela. And what he's going

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Speaker 4: being sent to the United States in quote unquote some

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Speaker 4: be up to the court to figure out. And so

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Speaker 4: I very much doubt that this statute will be applied

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Speaker 4: to basically permit this kind of don't do process deportation

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Speaker 4: where you don't pass go, you don't collect two hundred dollars,

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Speaker 4: you just can immediately be round up and send out.

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Speaker 4: But I do expect the Trump administration to try, and

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Speaker 4: I do expect this case to get to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 4: and then it'll just be a very interesting question of

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Speaker 4: what will the Supreme Court say, Are there five votes

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Speaker 4: on the Supreme Court to say that the people who

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Speaker 4: are coming here, who are gang members, are in some

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Speaker 4: the Trump administration gets into power, it will actually have

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Speaker 4: here's all the evidence we have that the people from

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Speaker 4: Venezuela who are the gang members, or let's say from

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Speaker 1: And an operation like this would be incredibly expensive.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's another story in terms of yes, how much

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Speaker 4: would it cost to do it? Because at the end

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Speaker 4: the due process problem of can you actually do the

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Speaker 4: what does Venezuela actually let the plane's land of the

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Speaker 4: people we're trying to deport And if they don't let

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Speaker 4: the planes land, then what then what are you doing

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Speaker 4: with this? Are you going to try to deport them

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Speaker 4: have to pay for Venezuela to let you do this,

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Speaker 4: that's a big problem logistically, that's number one. But then

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Speaker 4: the second issue is, Okay, where are these people waiting

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Speaker 4: while you're doing this? Are they waiting in detention? Then

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Speaker 4: the detention will cost somewhere, Let's say the bare minimum

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Speaker 4: will be sixty seventy dollars a day per person detaining them.

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Speaker 4: And then they're the cost to the economy of what

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Speaker 4: happens when you take all of these people out of

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Speaker 4: the economy where they're currently working. So you're losing all

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Speaker 4: paying government revenue to detain them. So yes, it ends

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Speaker 4: up being very costly what the Trump administration would say

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Speaker 4: as well. But we're going to get that all back

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Speaker 4: with higher wages to the remaining people who remain in

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Speaker 4: but now their jobs will pay them more because there's

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Speaker 4: fewer workers in the pipeline. But we will have to

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Speaker 4: wait and see. I mean, the typical economic studies that

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Speaker 4: have been done in this regard say that when you

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Speaker 4: who don't qualify for government benefits because all the main

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Speaker 4: government benefits boot stamps, welfare, and medicaid and Medicare and

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Speaker 4: all of that all require legal status to get it.

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Speaker 4: And so all these people that you'd be taking out

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Speaker 4: of the economy who are working and taxes are being

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Speaker 1: I just want to note that the highest number of

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Speaker 1: removals under Donald Trump's watch occurred in twenty nineteen, with

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Speaker 1: more than three hundred and forty seven thousand non citizens removed.

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Speaker 1: Compare that to former President BarackObama, who oversaw the removal

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Speaker 1: of more than four hundred thirty thousand non citizens in

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. Now let's turn to some election lawsuits where

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Speaker 1: immigration is now coming up. A series of Republican states,

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Speaker 1: including Texas and Florida, are suing the Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 1: They claim they're moving to purge their voter rolls and

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Speaker 1: they need information about immigration status. For example, Texas wants

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Speaker 1: the federal government to turn over the immigration status of

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Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty thousand potential voters in the state.

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Speaker 1: What's going on.

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Speaker 4: Here, Leon, So what happens is there's a database called

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Speaker 4: the SAVE database, the Systematic and Alien Verification for Entitlement Program,

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Speaker 4: And what basically happens there is when a state has

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Speaker 4: for instance, under the real ID Act, if a state

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Speaker 4: federal government does is it's given the state access to

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Speaker 4: visa federal government. So now what the states are saying is, well,

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Speaker 4: saying is, look, this is a data that tells you

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Speaker 4: actually naturalize is sometimes people change their name. They didn't

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Speaker 4: what they don't want is a situation where Texas or

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Speaker 1: And also now we're in that ninety day quiet period

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Speaker 4: That's another excellent point there. And so in addition to

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Speaker 4: which is a different question than the immigration law about

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Speaker 4: whether they can even be doing this at all. Even

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Speaker 4: if they get the data and you're correct, they can't

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Speaker 4: But just from the immigration standpoint, the government is essentially saying, look,

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Speaker 1: So now that we've solved that problem, let's move on

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Speaker 1: to the temporary protected status program. More than eight hundred

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Speaker 1: Strap by explaining what the purpose of the Temporary Protected

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Speaker 4: Is, well, the original statute as it was constituted, was

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Speaker 4: the following. Let's say, as an example, we had a

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Speaker 4: And so what happens is that once people get PPS,

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Speaker 4: people from Central American countries like Honduras and El Salvador. Now,

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Speaker 4: should it ultimately, But the question is could Trump within

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Speaker 4: Would he do it for Venezuelans because most of the

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Speaker 4: like it. Who knows. These are all tough questions to determine,

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Speaker 4: but that would be a very interesting one. Ukraine is

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Speaker 4: questions for Trump. But yeah, we're at nearly a million

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Speaker 4: As the point is that the Haitians in Springfield, Ohio

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Speaker 1: According to the Migration Policy Institute, there are more than

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Speaker 1: three point three million migrants with a temporary status that

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Speaker 1: lot of different programs, and when those programs end, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what happens.

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Speaker 4: Well, So That's what's going to be the question for

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Speaker 4: the president. If Trump comes back into office, if he

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Speaker 4: ends all of those programs, a lot of those people,

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Speaker 4: what they're gonna end up doing is applying for asylum,

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Speaker 4: and then they're going to have millions of more cases

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Speaker 4: on top of the millions of cases they already had

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Speaker 4: in the program, plus whoever else the president wants to

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Speaker 4: actually add. By, you know, starting to do immigration enforcement actions,

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Speaker 4: you could very shortly have ten to twelve million cases

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Speaker 4: in the immigration court. And the question for Trump is

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Speaker 4: is he going to want that and is he going

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Speaker 4: to want to take all of those people out of

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Speaker 4: the game from the economic employment they have now and

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Speaker 4: cause economic instability, or is he going to start using

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Speaker 4: a more scoutful like approach and maybe only start focusing

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Speaker 4: on people with criminal issues. I would hope that that's

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Speaker 4: where he go because that would be enough where he

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Speaker 4: could placate his base by saying, look, there's too many

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Speaker 4: people to go after. I need to go after the

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Speaker 4: public safety threats. He'd be more than busy for the

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Speaker 4: next four years just trying to deport the people with

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Speaker 4: criminal issues. And so I would hope and imagine that

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Speaker 4: that's where he would prioritize. But you know, we will

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Speaker 4: have to wait and see if he's elected and what

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Speaker 4: they will be doing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many people who get removal orders actually

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Speaker 1: you know, remove themselves from the country.

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Speaker 4: I mean, well, very few people do it for themselves.

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Speaker 4: And the larger problem is can a country actually let

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Speaker 4: you remove people? So that's the problem is at the moment,

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Speaker 4: we can't remove people to Cuba. At the moment, we

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Speaker 4: can't remove people to Venezuela. The moment, we can't remove

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Speaker 4: people to Haiti, we can't remove people to Nick the Ragua.

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Speaker 4: And the question is does the Trump administration have sufficient

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Speaker 4: levers to reopen up those countries for removal purposes? And

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Speaker 4: that's going to be the real question here. What levers

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Speaker 4: can it pull? Will it actually declare war against these countries?

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Speaker 4: What will it do to actually force these countries to

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Speaker 4: allow our planes to land and to the board people,

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Speaker 4: And that's really going to be the question here.

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Speaker 1: A lot of questions there, Leon, thanks so much. That's

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Speaker 1: Leon Fresco of Holland and Knight.

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Speaker 6: Register to vote, okay.

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Speaker 7: And get everyone you know and everyone you don't know,

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Speaker 7: you drag them to register to vote and is.

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk's one million dollar voter giveaway just a disguised

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Speaker 1: way of registering voters in swing states.

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Speaker 6: Every day from now until the election, We're giving out

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Speaker 6: a million dollar prize, that is, and all you have

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Speaker 6: to do is sign a petition in support of a constitution.

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Speaker 6: It's it's very straightforward. You don't even have to vote.

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Speaker 6: You don't have to vote, You just have to sign

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Speaker 6: a petition saying you believe in the constitution.

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Speaker 1: Musk announced the giveaway in the battleground state of Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: last Saturday, but didn't mention that to be eligible for

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Speaker 1: the drawing, you must be a registered voter in one

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Speaker 1: of the swing states of Arizona, Michigan, Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: or Wisconsin. Now, the Justice Department has sent a letter

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Speaker 1: to musk super pac warning that his million dollar giveaway

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Speaker 1: to registered voters may violate federal law. Joining me is

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Speaker 1: Aaron Klopak, Senior director of campaign Finance at Campaign Legal Center.

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Speaker 1: Aaron start by telling us about the law that's an

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Speaker 1: issue here.

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Speaker 8: Sure, so, there's a federal statue Section one zero three

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Speaker 8: to zero seven C of Title fifty two of the

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Speaker 8: US Code, and that statue says that payment for registering

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Speaker 8: to vote and payments for voting itself are illegal. More specifically,

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Speaker 8: it's as whoever knowingly or willfully pays or offers to

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Speaker 8: pay or accept payment for registration to vote or voting

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Speaker 8: shall be fined not more than ten thousand dollars or

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Speaker 8: imprisoned for not more than five years or vote. So

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Speaker 8: the law makes it explicitly clear that it is illegal

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Speaker 8: to pay people to register to vote.

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Speaker 1: Now, in this case, Elon Musk says that you know,

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Speaker 1: what he's doing is getting people to sign this petition

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Speaker 1: that supports the first and second Amendment. But to sign

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Speaker 1: a petition you have to be a registered voter. Is

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Speaker 1: that a violation of the federal law?

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Speaker 8: I think it. What Musk is doing through this petition

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Speaker 8: pretty clearly does violate federal law. And in fact, it's

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Speaker 8: been reported that the Department of Justice has actually issued

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Speaker 8: a letter to the pack that must have funded to

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Speaker 8: warn them that this activity may well be a lot full,

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Speaker 8: which is a step the Justice Department may take when

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Speaker 8: when there's activity that seems to violate the laws, to

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Speaker 8: give the person doing it, you know, an opportunity to

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Speaker 8: correct their behavior and basically establish a record that you know,

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Speaker 8: there may be real legal issues there. And I think

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Speaker 8: what's crucial here, as you noted June, is that this

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Speaker 8: particular sort of sweep stake, first of all, is only

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Speaker 8: available to people who have registered or are registering to vote.

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Speaker 8: I believe that the petition itself includes, you know, a

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Speaker 8: link to voter registration site. Initially it had an expiration

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Speaker 8: date of October twenty first, which was I think not

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Speaker 8: coincidentally the voter registration deadline for Pennsylvania and I think

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Speaker 8: Michigan as well. That date has now been extended. But

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Speaker 8: again to you know, I think telling state of election

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Speaker 8: day and a number of this states that must appears

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Speaker 8: to be seeking to get people to register to vote

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Speaker 8: in to have registration deadlines that you know, go on

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Speaker 8: through election day. So the fact that this sweepstake is

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Speaker 8: only available to registered voters, that in fact it provides

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Speaker 8: an opportunity for people to get registered so they can participate,

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Speaker 8: I think is a pretty taling indication that the purpose

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Speaker 8: of this is indeed to persuade and pay people to

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Speaker 8: to vote. And frankly, the petition itself doesn't seem to

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Speaker 8: have any meaningful effect. You know, it's not a ballot measure,

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Speaker 8: it's not some other situation where the petition has some

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Speaker 8: independent function. So the petition really seems to be almost

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Speaker 8: a pretext to the real purpose here, which is to

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Speaker 8: get people to register to vote in swing states.

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Speaker 1: The argument from the other side of the case, let's say,

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Speaker 1: is that it's not only for people who register now,

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Speaker 1: but also for people who are registered in the past.

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Speaker 1: So does that make the issue a little fuzzier murkier?

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Speaker 8: I don't really think so. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 8: the issue is murky, particularly because the goal appears to

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Speaker 8: be to get people to register to vote. And again

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Speaker 8: it's being offered as a sweep steak, so you know,

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Speaker 8: you may not win it. But the effect of this opportunity,

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Speaker 8: you know, seems quite clearly intended to get people to

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Speaker 8: register to vote, you know, regardless of who some of

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Speaker 8: the recipients are and whether some of them have already

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Speaker 8: been registered.

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Speaker 1: How unusual is it to have the Justice Department's Public

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Speaker 1: Integrity Section send out a letter like that.

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Speaker 8: I don't have specific sort of historical data. I do

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Speaker 8: believe that there was at least one example in the past.

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Speaker 8: I think back in twenty ten, where I think the

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Speaker 8: Justice Department sent a similar letter to Been mcman, who

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Speaker 8: owned the World Wrestling Entertainment organization, who I believe was

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Speaker 8: offering clothing to voters. So, you know, it's certainly not unprecedented,

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Speaker 8: and I think just confirms the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 8: this clearly raises serious legal issues.

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Speaker 1: How often does the Justice Department bring charges with these

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Speaker 1: kinds of issues?

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Speaker 8: So the Justice Department has criminal jurisdiction over campaign finance violations,

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Speaker 8: and we certainly have seen a number of times, particularly

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Speaker 8: in recent years, where the Justice Department has stepped in

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Speaker 8: to pursue criminal enforcement of campaign finance violations. And I think,

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Speaker 8: you know, one reason that's happening is because there's a

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Speaker 8: real lack of civil enforcement by the Federal Election Commission,

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Speaker 8: which is the independent federal agency that has exclusive jurisdiction

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Speaker 8: over civil enforcement of campaign finance laws.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's likely that you'll be prosecuted?

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Speaker 8: I think it's too early to speculate about, you know,

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Speaker 8: what may happen in this particular situation. And obviously, given

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Speaker 8: how close we are to the election, nothing is going

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Speaker 8: to happen before then. So you know, I think it's

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Speaker 8: quite concerning that this is even happening.

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Speaker 1: Also, on the second day of the sweepstakes, the super

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Speaker 1: Pack reframed its messaging around the giveaway and describe the

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Speaker 1: money as payment for a job, so that these people

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Speaker 1: will be spokespeople for America Pack. And subsequently we saw

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Speaker 1: that there were some testimonials from the two winners online.

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Speaker 1: Does that help Musk's argument?

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Speaker 8: What I would say is that, well, I can't kind

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Speaker 8: of get into or speculate about all of the ways

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Speaker 8: in which the investigation might unfold. I think it's really

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Speaker 8: telling that the change happened itself. The foop stakes wasn't

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Speaker 8: presented that way in the first place, So it seems like,

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Speaker 8: you know, kind of a telling admission that there was

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Speaker 8: this effort to reframe what was happening. And you know,

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Speaker 8: at the end of the day, the fine print on

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Speaker 8: the packs website about the petition didn't seem to change.

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Speaker 8: So it doesn't strike me as a particularly effective way

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Speaker 8: to render this attempt to pay people to register to

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Speaker 8: vote legal.

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Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, I.

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Speaker 8: Do think it's where it's just sort of putting this

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Speaker 8: in a larger context of efforts by Elon Musk, is

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Speaker 8: the world's wealthiest person to.

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Speaker 4: Use his.

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Speaker 8: Vast massive resources to influence the outcome of this election.

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Speaker 8: And you know, this seems to be perhaps the most

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Speaker 8: egregious example, but it's certainly not the only one. And

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Speaker 8: as you know, the source of more than seventy million

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Speaker 8: dollars of spending of this super pack that is spending

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Speaker 8: large amounts of money to influence this election. There are

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Speaker 8: a variety of ways in which must is using his

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Speaker 8: outside resources and ability to amplify his voice in ways

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Speaker 8: that you know, dramatically, you know, outweigh the voice of ordinary,

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Speaker 8: everyday Americans. And you know, another example is that the

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Speaker 8: superpack has spent I think as much as eighty million

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Speaker 8: dollars on canvassing efforts on behalf of the Trump campaign,

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Speaker 8: essentially allowing the campaign to outsource the substantial piece of

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Speaker 8: the you know, work that it does to get people

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Speaker 8: to go out and vote for them. And that's something

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Speaker 8: the Pack is now able to do legally as a

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Speaker 8: result of a decision by the Federal Election Commission to

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Speaker 8: effectively deregulate the law in a way that's completely contrary

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Speaker 8: to what the Supreme Court promised would happen. In the

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Speaker 8: citizens United's decision.

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Speaker 9: Just explain what the Federal Election Commission is there, So

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Speaker 9: taking it set back for a minute and the City

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Speaker 9: Business United decision fifteen years ago, the Supreme Court said

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Speaker 9: that corporations are basically people and have a right to

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Speaker 9: speak through.

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Speaker 8: Their pockets by spending unlimited amounts of money to influence elections.

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Speaker 8: But an important condition on that decision was that that

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Speaker 8: spending would be independent, though not coordinated with the candidates

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Speaker 8: that were being supported. And the Court assured us that

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Speaker 8: since that spending would be independent, there would be no

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Speaker 8: concerns about corruption or the appearance of corruption, or you know,

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Speaker 8: any other concerns. And so, you know when the Federal

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Speaker 8: Election Commission a few months ago issued a decision saying, well, actually,

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Speaker 8: when we talked about coordination, we don't mean efforts to

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Speaker 8: go out in canvas and talk to voters face to

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Speaker 8: face and even hand out literature. And in the context

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Speaker 8: of those types of activities, the Federal Election Commission, whose

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Speaker 8: job is to protect voters not donors, said it's perfectly

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Speaker 8: buying for groups like superpacks and outside entities to coordinate

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Speaker 8: with the candidates that they're supporting on the messages that

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Speaker 8: they're delivering face to face to voters and again the

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Speaker 8: literature they're handing out, and so the consequence of that

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Speaker 8: is now super packed like Elon Musk's pack, and other

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Speaker 8: outside groups can spend unlimited amounts of money that dates

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Speaker 8: as a result of fundraising from people who can donate

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Speaker 8: unlimited amounts of money to them to carry out the

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Speaker 8: messages that are approved by the candidates that they're supporting

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Speaker 8: and basically allow the candidates to offload all of the

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Speaker 8: expenses associated with those kinds of activities to these outside

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Speaker 8: groups that are not subjects to contribution limits that apply

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Speaker 8: to candidates and their campaigns or to parties. And this

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Speaker 8: is a giant loophole in the rules about coordination, and

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Speaker 8: like I said, completely contrary to what the Supreme Court

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Speaker 8: said would happen. That has been united.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Erin. That's Aaron Colpak, senior director of Campaign Finance

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Speaker 1: at the Campaign Legal Center. Coming up next, the prosecutor

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