WEBVTT - NFL Coaches on the Move 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.800 Welcome to Football Today. January twenty second, twenty twenty five. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.920 I'm your host Bobby Skinner here with my co host 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:11.000 Justin Pennock and producer Connor along for the ride on 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.520 the ones and two's and the a's and the g's 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:18.200 and the z's. Justin, we're talking about some coaches getting hired, 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:23.720 some coordinators being hired, and possibly some coaches to be hired. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:24.239 How are you. 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.840 I'm good, Bobby Skinner. Happy birthday to you. Please everybody 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.000 please leave a comment saying happy birthday, Bobby Skinner. 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:31.480 Every birthday to Andrew Thomas. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.879 My happy birthday to Andrew Thomas. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.600 My favorite player in the NFL. We have the same birthday. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:36.200 It's an honor. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:37.839 How do you like that? 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:39.920 And he told us he was going to come to 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:44.040 my wedding, which is, you know, a month away. I 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.559 did think about sending out an invite and being like, 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.559 maybe he'll send you know, he makes a lot of 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.160 money and he'd give me some money. But I don't 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:55.120 think Andrew Thomas would do that. Let's talk about these coaches. Justin, 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.120 the Bears hired Ben Johnson, the Lions offensive coordinator. I 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.160 felt like this is where this was going. Uh. The 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.480 funny thing is is the Bears probably could have done 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.960 this last year. Uh, and I think they should have, right. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.600 You know, Ben Johnson didn't leave last year. Uh, there 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.240 was rumors mid season that his eyes had always been 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.600 on Chicago and go and going into there with that situation. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.080 But hey, they do it a year later, they get them. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:26.640 I'll start with this. I'm glad the Bears took a 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.880 big swing. Right. We don't know exactly how Ben Johnson's 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.120 going to pan out. You know a lot of times 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.560 the most beloved coaching hires are the worst, and then 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.440 the ones that are maligned are the best. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:37.959 Uh. 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.000 You know, look at Kevin O'Connell, that was the coaching 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.920 hire that was you know, made fun of Dan Quinn 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.520 last year. Right, they got there, you know they didn't 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.800 They they got passed. They Ben Johnson passed up on them. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.280 And look at where they are now, game away from 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.440 the super Bowl. But I was worried the Bears were 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.640 gonna go safe and hire Mike McCarthy or just like 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:01.160 a kind of a cozy coach instead of taking a 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:06.600 big swing and looking to find that next McVeigh. You know, O'Connell, whoever, 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.240 you know Shanahan next great offensive mind to go with 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:11.320 Kayla Williams. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.200 Do you think cayleb played an impact on that, because 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.079 I don't know if you saw the you know, when 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.919 he went on the Saint Brown podcast, I mean he 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:22.520 he basically said anything but I want Ben Johnson as 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:23.960 the head coach. I mean, I'm pretty sure even talked 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.640 about him specifically before he was hired. So do you 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.160 think they took that under invisement at all? I mean, 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.320 maybe I would, this is the right thing to do, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:33.000 I think kind. 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.600 Of regardless, maybe a little bit. I don't think they 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.720 were operating that way. They interviewed like sixteen people. I don't. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.800 I don't know. This is like the first coaching cycle 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.520 where people have been interviewed like this, Like the Jets 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:45.079 have been interviewed almost twenty people. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.799 It's like a celebrity apprentice. What the Jets are doing 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:48.720 at GMN coach? 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.960 Yeah, Like I had the thought justin you know, we 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.720 do our like GM candidate and preview and head coach 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.560 and stuff for talking giants, Like imagine if we had 0:02:55.560 --> 0:03:03.680 to do sixteen of those'd be just no stop, NonStop work. Uh. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:05.720 I don't think so. I think Caleb talked about the 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.880 Ben Johnson thing because he got pranked where someone got 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.960 his phone number and said, hey, this is Ben Johnson 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:15.440 blah blah blah blah blah and then facetimed him. But yeah, 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:16.960 they they this is what they need to do. This 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.480 roster is talented. It's not the most talented or stacked 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.120 in the NFL. It's nowhere near what the Detroit Lions are. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.560 They're gonna need to invest in the offensive line. That 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:27.839 is my biggest worry with Ben Johnson, as we talked 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.680 about him as this offensive mastermind, is hey, he has 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.000 done a hell of a job with Detroit. Uh, trick 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:39.160 plays are cool. I don't know if you can run 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.880 all the same trick plays with different you know, different 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:44.680 personnel when you don't have an a mon Ross Saint 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:48.520 Brown in the slot. Uh, you know, up to anyone. Yeah, 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:50.880 you know, one of the most athletic uh you know 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.920 offensive tackles in the NFL, if not the most athletic 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.400 in penne seol like. And the main thing being is 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.960 it's easy to call plays when you have protection for day. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.240 And that's what that Detroit Lions offensive line allows you 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.119 to do. And it's not because of the way they're 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.320 coached up. I'm sure that has part, but it's because 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:11.160 they're an extremely talented, good across the board offensive line 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.800 and that allows you to scheme up. Think, right, if 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.320 you've ever you know, drew up plays, you know on 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.720 a whiteboard or on a piece of paper when you're bored, 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.880 you think about all the ways to get guys open, 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:22.880 and then you realize, like, yeah, this is gonna take 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.280 a while, this is going to take a while. We 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.040 need to protect against this. So that's my biggest worry 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.960 about Ben Johnson. But the Bears have some money can 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.120 invest in the offensive line, and you've got a young 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:37.039 quarterback with young receivers, a defense that is you know, 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.560 played well and has you know, got some young talent 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.200 that can grow too. We thought the Bears we would 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.360 be a lot better than what they were this last year, 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.000 and that was without having a lot of faith and 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.320 uh uh, Matt Eberflus. 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.200 Right, right, Yeah, the offensive line is the biggest question 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.479 I guess in you know, short and long term in 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.240 terms of what Ben Johnson could do as a head 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.080 coach in an offense. Caleb, Yeah, and Caleb, but still 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.120 like Caleb Williams is built in a lab like I 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.479 still think you trust some of the things that you 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.240 saw this year, and you trust the stuff that he 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.760 put on at college that he could still be a 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.040 really really good quarterback, if not possibly an elite guy 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:17.640 you just got to have, you know, I don't know 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.960 him having one on one meetings with Matt eberflus over 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:22.200 the you know, you saw that in Hard Knocks. You're 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.279 good for Matt eberflus On doing that, saw that on 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.680 Hard Knocks. I think those meetings are gonna get a 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.320 lot more efficient, a lot more better and productive now 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:30.719 that you have Ben Johnson in the building. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:31.040 Right. 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.520 But the only thing that you gotta think about for 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.760 Ben Johnson, and this is with any of the the 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.880 young offensive masterminds that come up in the NFL, right, 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.400 which Brian dabel hey left, you know, left hand up? 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.520 Where are we the commanders? You know, we'll put we're 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.400 the first to put our hands up as giants fans, 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.560 you know, even though Brian Dabele's not the young guy, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.880 but he kind of came in as like the the 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.640 offensive genius a couple of years ago, had a pretty 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.760 successful year one. But then when kind of shit hit 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:00.080 the fan. Are you a leader of men? Can you 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.320 hold your players accountable? How can you hold your players accountable? 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.560 Can you communicate well with your staff and get along 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.080 well with your staff? All these kinds of things are 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.680 you know, may come up for Ben Johnson, especially if 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:12.560 you deal with adversity. If you win right away, then 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.400 it's like, oh, well, everybody's great. Morale's great when you're winning, 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:19.360 but you're gonna face some sort of adversity. How as 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.440 a coach and as a man, are you gonna deal 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:22.880 with that? 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:23.520 You know? 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.040 And as somebody who It's been reported a little bit 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.400 that Ben Johnson was a little bit of I'm gonna 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.080 shut my door as the offense score an entner and 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.559 just like Bobby said, be this mad scientist and design 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.280 these plays. That was reported a little bit with Ben Johnson. 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.280 That door has to be wide open as a head 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.880 coach for anybody to come in. So that's probably the 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.360 bigger question than I have about Ben Johnson, rather than 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.880 you know, rising above whatever the offensive line may or 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.600 may not be in twenty twenty five. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.680 And that's a bear's locker room that needs that as 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.880 well too. So like you said, there's a lot more 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.640 you know, predicting head coaches and GM's success without you know, 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:02.120 pass pass e x amples. It is hard to do. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.160 But that's that's where I'm happy with the Chicago Bears 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.320 because I actually didn't think it was crazy to keep 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.080 Bryan Poles, even though most Bears fans would probably disagree. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.200 But I think that's a talented team. You have Caleb 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.720 Williams and you take a big swing. I was. I 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.320 was very worried they were going to bring in Mike 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.920 McCarthy and how I even like Pete Carroll, right, I 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.160 think Pete Carroll's a great coach, but you know he's 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.360 he's old now, he's in his seventies to be the 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.240 oldest coach in the NFL. Was the oldest coach in 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.680 the NFL too, I think outside of Bill So happy 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.800 with what the Bears did, But I actually think the 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.720 biggest question mark is Caleb. Because Caleb did some really 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.040 nice things as a rookie. There was a lot of 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.080 bad Like, there was a lot of inaccuracy. They're there. 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.680 You're gonna have to figure out a way to you know, 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.240 get not get rid of the hero ball, but to 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.440 figure out when to play the hero ball because that 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.240 was an issue. You know, you can talk about all 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:54.920 the sacks the avoided, but a lot of that was, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.640 you know, making four guys miss and that's special stuff. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.000 But he's got to get better at some of that 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.440 quick game stuff, which I thought he did pretty damn 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.360 well at USC. You know, I think it just didn't 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.880 make the highlights. So getting getting the most out of 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.120 Kayleb Williams and figuring out a way to get him 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.560 more accurate, especially down the field, because no matter what 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:17.720 excuse you want to make for Caleb Williams, the deep 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.720 accuracy was a serious worry. And if that's not if 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.200 that's not fixed, Ben Johnson could call all the plays 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.480 and get all the guys open and it's not gonna matter. Right. 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:31.320 Uh So, we don't know for sure, but we kind 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.080 of know for sure that the Jets are hiring the 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.720 other Lions coordinator and Aaron Glenn. 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.240 One more thing on Johnson though, like it would be 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.439 a one final thing and we'll talk about this one 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.880 it's confirmed, but it would be a home run if 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.640 they get Dennis Allen's defense coordinator. I mean that that's 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.680 the first like check mark, like big home run for 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.640 Ben Johnson to have defense kind of handled. Now, you'd 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.079 still need to be a head coach and handle the defense, but. 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.079 They might get Darren Rizzy as a special teams coach too. 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.000 Which again like that's that's awesome, That's that's that would 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.800 be a home run staff for a home run head 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.439 coach that guys have been talking about for the last 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:06.280 couple of years. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.040 Yeah. Absolutely. Dennis Allen, I think is a is a 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.080 damn good defensive coach who did a really good job 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.760 in New Orleans until it got away from him. Uh 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.840 this this this past year. But I think he's done 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.960 a pretty damn good job and I think he's gonna 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.040 have similar talent level like Dennis Allen with Jalen Johnson 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.160 signed sign me up. Uh, you know, I think he'll 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:29.800 get the most out of a guy like Tyrek Stevens, 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.920 and he's done good a good job with corners who 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:33.440 may get beat every once in a while, but have 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.680 good ball skills like Tyreek does. Uh. Let's talk about 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.480 Aaron Glenn to the Jets. So this seems like a 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.120 done deal, even though it's not fully a done deal. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.199 I don't love Aaron Glenn as a head coaching candidate, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:52.040 I don't think. I don't watch lines defenses and be like, man, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:57.120 this guy gives you a real deal advantage. And I 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.280 worry about trying to rep okay Dan Campbell, right, because 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.040 there's only one Dan Campbell, and the way he's able 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.800 to get his guys going and keep them engaged and 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.560 working their asses off and buying in, it's just it's 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:16.960 hard to replicate that. But I will say for a 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.600 Jets team that has a lot of defensive talent and 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.880 the offensive talent isn't terrible, I don't. I kind of 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.719 do like this higher, right because they need accountability and 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:32.400 that on that team. Right. They're a very very immature team, 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.920 and defensively they have a lot of talent. They can 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.520 be a top ten, top ten defense next year. Hell, 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.320 they've been. You know, they were a top five defense 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.800 for a couple of years and were this year until 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:47.040 they fired Robert Sala and then everything fell apart. This 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:51.079 is a team that needs accountability, and it's a very 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.520 different mindset from Robert Sala defensively, but has a lot 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.720 of talent. It kind of reminds me a bit of 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.480 you know, the Commander's hiring Dan Quinn last year, where 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.240 you're gonna bring that fourth down edge, You're gonna, you know, 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.760 challenge your guys, You're gonna find guys to fit your mold. 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.520 It kind of reminds me of Dan. It reminds me 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.600 of Dan Quinn to Washington last year. Yeah. 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.839 Where if you look at Aaron Glenn and where his 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.800 defense ranks and EPA per place from twenty twenty one 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.360 to twenty twenty four, it's twenty eighth. Now you can 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:24.199 say the first two years there was a talent issue. 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.560 The Lions are still evolving, which there certainly was a 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.240 talent issue. In the last two years it's gone up 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.120 to twelfth and EP of per play. Like even last 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.440 year they weren't that good and then this year, you know, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.559 they had a very good defense for the majority of 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.040 the year. At the end of the year they got hurt. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:39.079 Yeah. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.040 I don't know if you're bringing in Aaron Glenn though, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.920 to be like this defensive mastermind. I think you're bringing 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.839 him in to be a leader. I think you're bringing 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.760 him in as a guy that was a former player 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.240 that players can identify with. This guy has been there, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.320 this guy has done that. You know, he's had success. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.240 So that's why I kind of I don't really know 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.880 Aaron Glenn that well. And in terms of like his 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.679 overall track record, like you can't be like, oh, you know, man, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.640 he's led these top three defenses for the last three 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.720 years and he and then that's why he got gets 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:11.440 to the job. No, I think he gets this job 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.000 because he's a dude that's going to be a leader. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.880 And I think that's exactly what the Jets need. Like 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:20.000 Salad was the good defensive mind where maybe you thought 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:21.080 that he was going to be a leader, but he 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.560 certainly was not where you're hoping that Aaron Glenn can 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:23.840 do that. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:25.920 Yeah, And I again, I just think that's what the 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.839 Jets need right now. But here's the things with all 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.120 that I have not liked dan Quinn or sorry dan Quinn, 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.840 Aaron Glenn defenses right like early on, it was pitiful, 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.559 like not just bad like I remember, you know, remember 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.160 in twenty twenty two, justin earlier in that season, like 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.199 the Lions offense was lighting it up and they were 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.600 losing games like fifty two to forty nine, and I 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.160 know they got injured and you know at this season, 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:55.840 but there was no adjustments mate, like they got injured 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:57.800 and you were still calling plays like you had all 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.320 your starting corners out there, you know, where it's like, man, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.080 maybe maybe change your defense a bit, like play a 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.280 little more safe, especially with the offense you had, right 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.640 if you had this offense that you didn't trust, and yeah, 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.360 you got to go out there being aggressive and look 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.320 to make plays, but man just could have tried to 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:13.880 keep things in front of them, and it just seemed 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.319 like Aaron Glenn was just kind of like, Nope, we're 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.640 gonna play, man. We're gonna blitz and we're gonna and 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.000 we're not gonna make it too exotic either. We're just 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.840 gonna come after you play after play after play, which 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.920 is nice when you have Aiden Hutchinson healthy and more importantly, 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.640 I think those corners healthy. But it just bit them 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.880 in the ass. So there's been some really bad Aaron 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.679 Glenn defenses. They've been really good at times. Right, they 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:39.160 stopped the run, So that's where we'll see. As much 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.560 as there is things I like about this higher, I 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.520 don't view Aaron Glenn as like, oh man, look at 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.600 this defensive mastermind they're bringing in. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:47.480 Right, right, But like I said, I think you're bringing 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.439 him into be a leader, But there's certainly a lot 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.360 of data that suggests heading into this year. Like we 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.960 talked on the Lions TPP like Aaron Glenn like, I 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.920 know your identity is like blitzing, and we want to 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.480 bring pressure. We want to take the game on our 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.600 own terms. We're gonna play man coverage on the back end. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.920 But there was plenty of numbers that showed that the 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:10.160 Lions when they rushed four were like a top pass 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.319 defense in the NFL, above average pass defense in the 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.120 NFL when they only blitzed four, and they were still 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.120 able to get decent pressure numbers because you have Aiden 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.160 Hutchinson and some other talented guys there too. So yeah, 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:26.480 we'll say but with this Jets roster though, Bobby like, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.720 how do you not salivate, especially as a defensive coach. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.160 How do you not salivate with the idea and the 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.880 possibility of working with these guys. Now, there's some work 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:37.520 that the Jets roster need to do. They need to 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.640 make a decision on DJ Reid. He's up for a 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:41.920 contract extension. What do you do with him? I would 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:43.680 continue to pair him with Sauce Gardner and then you 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.520 have one of the best one to two punches in 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:50.000 the NFL at cornerback, I think it's the best. Jamien 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:54.880 Sherwood and Quincy Williams, two linebackers that are also need 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.240 contract extensions. I think they're one of the best one 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.240 to two punches. At interior linebacker CJ. Mose he is 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.240 a guy that's coming off of injuries. He's the only 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:06.000 like starring linebacker that's like under contract, so he may 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.600 have to work something out with him. You have Quinn Williams, 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.200 you have an ascending pass rush pass rusher Will McDonald's. 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:12.920 So I mean that's just the defensive side of the ball. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.840 And they made efforts to improve their offensive line, which 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.040 was their big bugaboo over the last couple of years, 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.280 which the offensive line was better for the Jets for 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.360 the Jets this year. So as a coach, even there's 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.120 a Woodie Johnson problem and his presence is bad. I 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.640 think he's the worst owner at all two and a 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.600 quarterback problem, the worst owner of all sports. But part 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:33.760 of why I think this is a really attractive job, Bobby, 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.160 what are the expectations for this Jets team? They need 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.000 to kind of start over, but you also don't need 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.880 to fully start over with the roster that they. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.600 Have, right, No, they've got talent. They've got all pro 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.640 level players. You know, you have Soft Gardner, Quentin Williams, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.480 Garrett Wilson. On the offensive side, Breese Hall didn't have 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.400 the year that he wanted, but we know this type 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.280 of player that he can be, you know, oulu fashion. 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.280 I'm like, you're really excited for his year or two 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.160 like they have. They have pieces, right, and that's that's 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.720 just naming a few. But what will be interesting to 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.640 see is this defensive mindset is very different than what 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.440 Robert Solid did. Right, So now you're probably gonna see 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.560 Sauce Gardner follow guys and play a lot more man coverage. 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:17.120 I know he had a down year for his expectations, 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.960 still better than almost almost every corner in the NFL. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:22.760 The penalties were a little out of hand this year. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:27.360 Uh but uh, it's it's gonna be different for the Jets. 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:28.880 It's gonna be a little bit of a culture shock. 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.200 But if there's anything that fucking needs a culture shock, 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.400 it's the Jets. What do you want to hit on next? 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.360 Justin oh jow, Actually, you know what your opinion doesn't matter, 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.600 because I want to talk to you about DraftKings football fans. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.280 It is playoff time. 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I can't believe 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:58.879 that people are defending the process of what the New 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.080 England Patriots are doing. One I wasn't here for a 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.440 show where you talked about Mike Rabel. And I'm sure 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.480 you guys hit the nail on the head that only 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.480 interviewing one legitimate candidate. And I'm sorry, virtual interviews don't count. 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.520 Virtual interviews don't count. Interviewing only one legitimate candidate for 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.040 head coach is already asked nine enough when the Patriots 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.960 are are this backwards right now, when they seem to 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.040 be lost right, you know the Rooney rule, like they 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:26.720 spit in the face of it, A Byron Leftwige and 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.760 Pep Hamilton, what have they been doing? They were not 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.240 serious candidates, Mike Rabel. They had their ey set on me, 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.400 and hey, good for them that they got their guy right. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.560 But I all right, so you could say that this 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.960 process won them six Super Bowls. That's the replies that 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.760 I've been getting, Like, I like, this organization is so 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.960 stuck in their ways, and I'm a Giants fans, like 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.280