Speaker 1: Welcome to Football Today. January twenty second, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: I'm your host Bobby Skinner here with my co host
Speaker 1: Justin Pennock and producer Connor along for the ride on
Speaker 1: the ones and two's and the a's and the g's
Speaker 1: and the z's. Justin, we're talking about some coaches getting hired,
Speaker 1: some coordinators being hired, and possibly some coaches to be hired.
Speaker 1: How are you.
Speaker 2: I'm good, Bobby Skinner. Happy birthday to you. Please everybody
Speaker 2: please leave a comment saying happy birthday, Bobby Skinner.
Speaker 1: Every birthday to Andrew Thomas.
Speaker 2: My happy birthday to Andrew Thomas.
Speaker 1: My favorite player in the NFL. We have the same birthday.
Speaker 1: It's an honor.
Speaker 2: How do you like that?
Speaker 1: And he told us he was going to come to
Speaker 1: my wedding, which is, you know, a month away. I
Speaker 1: did think about sending out an invite and being like,
Speaker 1: maybe he'll send you know, he makes a lot of
Speaker 1: money and he'd give me some money. But I don't
Speaker 1: think Andrew Thomas would do that. Let's talk about these coaches. Justin,
Speaker 1: the Bears hired Ben Johnson, the Lions offensive coordinator. I
Speaker 1: felt like this is where this was going. Uh. The
Speaker 1: funny thing is is the Bears probably could have done
Speaker 1: this last year. Uh, and I think they should have, right.
Speaker 1: You know, Ben Johnson didn't leave last year. Uh, there
Speaker 1: was rumors mid season that his eyes had always been
Speaker 1: on Chicago and go and going into there with that situation.
Speaker 1: But hey, they do it a year later, they get them.
Speaker 1: I'll start with this. I'm glad the Bears took a
Speaker 1: big swing. Right. We don't know exactly how Ben Johnson's
Speaker 1: going to pan out. You know a lot of times
Speaker 1: the most beloved coaching hires are the worst, and then
Speaker 1: the ones that are maligned are the best.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, look at Kevin O'Connell, that was the coaching
Speaker 1: hire that was you know, made fun of Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: last year. Right, they got there, you know they didn't
Speaker 1: They they got passed. They Ben Johnson passed up on them.
Speaker 1: And look at where they are now, game away from
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. But I was worried the Bears were
Speaker 1: gonna go safe and hire Mike McCarthy or just like
Speaker 1: a kind of a cozy coach instead of taking a
Speaker 1: big swing and looking to find that next McVeigh. You know, O'Connell, whoever,
Speaker 1: you know Shanahan next great offensive mind to go with
Speaker 1: Kayla Williams.
Speaker 2: Do you think cayleb played an impact on that, because
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw the you know, when
Speaker 2: he went on the Saint Brown podcast, I mean he
Speaker 2: he basically said anything but I want Ben Johnson as
Speaker 2: the head coach. I mean, I'm pretty sure even talked
Speaker 2: about him specifically before he was hired. So do you
Speaker 2: think they took that under invisement at all? I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe I would, this is the right thing to do,
Speaker 2: I think kind.
Speaker 1: Of regardless, maybe a little bit. I don't think they
Speaker 1: were operating that way. They interviewed like sixteen people. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is like the first coaching cycle
Speaker 1: where people have been interviewed like this, Like the Jets
Speaker 1: have been interviewed almost twenty people.
Speaker 2: It's like a celebrity apprentice. What the Jets are doing
Speaker 2: at GMN coach?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I had the thought justin you know, we
Speaker 1: do our like GM candidate and preview and head coach
Speaker 1: and stuff for talking giants, Like imagine if we had
Speaker 1: to do sixteen of those'd be just no stop, NonStop work. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think Caleb talked about the
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson thing because he got pranked where someone got
Speaker 1: his phone number and said, hey, this is Ben Johnson
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah and then facetimed him. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they they this is what they need to do. This
Speaker 1: roster is talented. It's not the most talented or stacked
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's nowhere near what the Detroit Lions are.
Speaker 1: They're gonna need to invest in the offensive line. That
Speaker 1: is my biggest worry with Ben Johnson, as we talked
Speaker 1: about him as this offensive mastermind, is hey, he has
Speaker 1: done a hell of a job with Detroit. Uh, trick
Speaker 1: plays are cool. I don't know if you can run
Speaker 1: all the same trick plays with different you know, different
Speaker 1: personnel when you don't have an a mon Ross Saint
Speaker 1: Brown in the slot. Uh, you know, up to anyone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the most athletic uh you know
Speaker 1: offensive tackles in the NFL, if not the most athletic
Speaker 1: in penne seol like. And the main thing being is
Speaker 1: it's easy to call plays when you have protection for day.
Speaker 1: And that's what that Detroit Lions offensive line allows you
Speaker 1: to do. And it's not because of the way they're
Speaker 1: coached up. I'm sure that has part, but it's because
Speaker 1: they're an extremely talented, good across the board offensive line
Speaker 1: and that allows you to scheme up. Think, right, if
Speaker 1: you've ever you know, drew up plays, you know on
Speaker 1: a whiteboard or on a piece of paper when you're bored,
Speaker 1: you think about all the ways to get guys open,
Speaker 1: and then you realize, like, yeah, this is gonna take
Speaker 1: a while, this is going to take a while. We
Speaker 1: need to protect against this. So that's my biggest worry
Speaker 1: about Ben Johnson. But the Bears have some money can
Speaker 1: invest in the offensive line, and you've got a young
Speaker 1: quarterback with young receivers, a defense that is you know,
Speaker 1: played well and has you know, got some young talent
Speaker 1: that can grow too. We thought the Bears we would
Speaker 1: be a lot better than what they were this last year,
Speaker 1: and that was without having a lot of faith and
Speaker 1: uh uh, Matt Eberflus.
Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah, the offensive line is the biggest question
Speaker 2: I guess in you know, short and long term in
Speaker 2: terms of what Ben Johnson could do as a head
Speaker 2: coach in an offense. Caleb, Yeah, and Caleb, but still
Speaker 2: like Caleb Williams is built in a lab like I
Speaker 2: still think you trust some of the things that you
Speaker 2: saw this year, and you trust the stuff that he
Speaker 2: put on at college that he could still be a
Speaker 2: really really good quarterback, if not possibly an elite guy
Speaker 2: you just got to have, you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: him having one on one meetings with Matt eberflus over
Speaker 2: the you know, you saw that in Hard Knocks. You're
Speaker 2: good for Matt eberflus On doing that, saw that on
Speaker 2: Hard Knocks. I think those meetings are gonna get a
Speaker 2: lot more efficient, a lot more better and productive now
Speaker 2: that you have Ben Johnson in the building.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But the only thing that you gotta think about for
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, and this is with any of the the
Speaker 2: young offensive masterminds that come up in the NFL, right,
Speaker 2: which Brian dabel hey left, you know, left hand up?
Speaker 2: Where are we the commanders? You know, we'll put we're
Speaker 2: the first to put our hands up as giants fans,
Speaker 2: you know, even though Brian Dabele's not the young guy,
Speaker 2: but he kind of came in as like the the
Speaker 2: offensive genius a couple of years ago, had a pretty
Speaker 2: successful year one. But then when kind of shit hit
Speaker 2: the fan. Are you a leader of men? Can you
Speaker 2: hold your players accountable? How can you hold your players accountable?
Speaker 2: Can you communicate well with your staff and get along
Speaker 2: well with your staff? All these kinds of things are
Speaker 2: you know, may come up for Ben Johnson, especially if
Speaker 2: you deal with adversity. If you win right away, then
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, everybody's great. Morale's great when you're winning,
Speaker 2: but you're gonna face some sort of adversity. How as
Speaker 2: a coach and as a man, are you gonna deal
Speaker 2: with that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And as somebody who It's been reported a little bit
Speaker 2: that Ben Johnson was a little bit of I'm gonna
Speaker 2: shut my door as the offense score an entner and
Speaker 2: just like Bobby said, be this mad scientist and design
Speaker 2: these plays. That was reported a little bit with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: That door has to be wide open as a head
Speaker 2: coach for anybody to come in. So that's probably the
Speaker 2: bigger question than I have about Ben Johnson, rather than
Speaker 2: you know, rising above whatever the offensive line may or
Speaker 2: may not be in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: And that's a bear's locker room that needs that as
Speaker 1: well too. So like you said, there's a lot more
Speaker 1: you know, predicting head coaches and GM's success without you know,
Speaker 1: pass pass e x amples. It is hard to do.
Speaker 1: But that's that's where I'm happy with the Chicago Bears
Speaker 1: because I actually didn't think it was crazy to keep
Speaker 1: Bryan Poles, even though most Bears fans would probably disagree.
Speaker 1: But I think that's a talented team. You have Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams and you take a big swing. I was. I
Speaker 1: was very worried they were going to bring in Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy and how I even like Pete Carroll, right, I
Speaker 1: think Pete Carroll's a great coach, but you know he's
Speaker 1: he's old now, he's in his seventies to be the
Speaker 1: oldest coach in the NFL. Was the oldest coach in
Speaker 1: the NFL too, I think outside of Bill So happy
Speaker 1: with what the Bears did, But I actually think the
Speaker 1: biggest question mark is Caleb. Because Caleb did some really
Speaker 1: nice things as a rookie. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: bad Like, there was a lot of inaccuracy. They're there.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to figure out a way to you know,
Speaker 1: get not get rid of the hero ball, but to
Speaker 1: figure out when to play the hero ball because that
Speaker 1: was an issue. You know, you can talk about all
Speaker 1: the sacks the avoided, but a lot of that was,
Speaker 1: you know, making four guys miss and that's special stuff.
Speaker 1: But he's got to get better at some of that
Speaker 1: quick game stuff, which I thought he did pretty damn
Speaker 1: well at USC. You know, I think it just didn't
Speaker 1: make the highlights. So getting getting the most out of
Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams and figuring out a way to get him
Speaker 1: more accurate, especially down the field, because no matter what
Speaker 1: excuse you want to make for Caleb Williams, the deep
Speaker 1: accuracy was a serious worry. And if that's not if
Speaker 1: that's not fixed, Ben Johnson could call all the plays
Speaker 1: and get all the guys open and it's not gonna matter. Right.
Speaker 1: Uh So, we don't know for sure, but we kind
Speaker 1: of know for sure that the Jets are hiring the
Speaker 1: other Lions coordinator and Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 2: One more thing on Johnson though, like it would be
Speaker 2: a one final thing and we'll talk about this one
Speaker 2: it's confirmed, but it would be a home run if
Speaker 2: they get Dennis Allen's defense coordinator. I mean that that's
Speaker 2: the first like check mark, like big home run for
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson to have defense kind of handled. Now, you'd
Speaker 2: still need to be a head coach and handle the defense, but.
Speaker 1: They might get Darren Rizzy as a special teams coach too.
Speaker 2: Which again like that's that's awesome, That's that's that would
Speaker 2: be a home run staff for a home run head
Speaker 2: coach that guys have been talking about for the last
Speaker 2: couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Dennis Allen, I think is a is a
Speaker 1: damn good defensive coach who did a really good job
Speaker 1: in New Orleans until it got away from him. Uh
Speaker 1: this this this past year. But I think he's done
Speaker 1: a pretty damn good job and I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: have similar talent level like Dennis Allen with Jalen Johnson
Speaker 1: signed sign me up. Uh, you know, I think he'll
Speaker 1: get the most out of a guy like Tyrek Stevens,
Speaker 1: and he's done good a good job with corners who
Speaker 1: may get beat every once in a while, but have
Speaker 1: good ball skills like Tyreek does. Uh. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn to the Jets. So this seems like a
Speaker 1: done deal, even though it's not fully a done deal.
Speaker 1: I don't love Aaron Glenn as a head coaching candidate,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't watch lines defenses and be like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy gives you a real deal advantage. And I
Speaker 1: worry about trying to rep okay Dan Campbell, right, because
Speaker 1: there's only one Dan Campbell, and the way he's able
Speaker 1: to get his guys going and keep them engaged and
Speaker 1: working their asses off and buying in, it's just it's
Speaker 1: hard to replicate that. But I will say for a
Speaker 1: Jets team that has a lot of defensive talent and
Speaker 1: the offensive talent isn't terrible, I don't. I kind of
Speaker 1: do like this higher, right because they need accountability and
Speaker 1: that on that team. Right. They're a very very immature team,
Speaker 1: and defensively they have a lot of talent. They can
Speaker 1: be a top ten, top ten defense next year. Hell,
Speaker 1: they've been. You know, they were a top five defense
Speaker 1: for a couple of years and were this year until
Speaker 1: they fired Robert Sala and then everything fell apart. This
Speaker 1: is a team that needs accountability, and it's a very
Speaker 1: different mindset from Robert Sala defensively, but has a lot
Speaker 1: of talent. It kind of reminds me a bit of
Speaker 1: you know, the Commander's hiring Dan Quinn last year, where
Speaker 1: you're gonna bring that fourth down edge, You're gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: challenge your guys, You're gonna find guys to fit your mold.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of Dan. It reminds me
Speaker 1: of Dan Quinn to Washington last year. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Where if you look at Aaron Glenn and where his
Speaker 2: defense ranks and EPA per place from twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty four, it's twenty eighth. Now you can
Speaker 2: say the first two years there was a talent issue.
Speaker 2: The Lions are still evolving, which there certainly was a
Speaker 2: talent issue. In the last two years it's gone up
Speaker 2: to twelfth and EP of per play. Like even last
Speaker 2: year they weren't that good and then this year, you know,
Speaker 2: they had a very good defense for the majority of
Speaker 2: the year. At the end of the year they got hurt.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're bringing in Aaron Glenn though,
Speaker 2: to be like this defensive mastermind. I think you're bringing
Speaker 2: him in to be a leader. I think you're bringing
Speaker 2: him in as a guy that was a former player
Speaker 2: that players can identify with. This guy has been there,
Speaker 2: this guy has done that. You know, he's had success.
Speaker 2: So that's why I kind of I don't really know
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn that well. And in terms of like his
Speaker 2: overall track record, like you can't be like, oh, you know, man,
Speaker 2: he's led these top three defenses for the last three
Speaker 2: years and he and then that's why he got gets
Speaker 2: to the job. No, I think he gets this job
Speaker 2: because he's a dude that's going to be a leader.
Speaker 2: And I think that's exactly what the Jets need. Like
Speaker 2: Salad was the good defensive mind where maybe you thought
Speaker 2: that he was going to be a leader, but he
Speaker 2: certainly was not where you're hoping that Aaron Glenn can
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I again, I just think that's what the
Speaker 1: Jets need right now. But here's the things with all
Speaker 1: that I have not liked dan Quinn or sorry dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn defenses right like early on, it was pitiful,
Speaker 1: like not just bad like I remember, you know, remember
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, justin earlier in that season, like
Speaker 1: the Lions offense was lighting it up and they were
Speaker 1: losing games like fifty two to forty nine, and I
Speaker 1: know they got injured and you know at this season,
Speaker 1: but there was no adjustments mate, like they got injured
Speaker 1: and you were still calling plays like you had all
Speaker 1: your starting corners out there, you know, where it's like, man,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe change your defense a bit, like play a
Speaker 1: little more safe, especially with the offense you had, right
Speaker 1: if you had this offense that you didn't trust, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to go out there being aggressive and look
Speaker 1: to make plays, but man just could have tried to
Speaker 1: keep things in front of them, and it just seemed
Speaker 1: like Aaron Glenn was just kind of like, Nope, we're
Speaker 1: gonna play, man. We're gonna blitz and we're gonna and
Speaker 1: we're not gonna make it too exotic either. We're just
Speaker 1: gonna come after you play after play after play, which
Speaker 1: is nice when you have Aiden Hutchinson healthy and more importantly,
Speaker 1: I think those corners healthy. But it just bit them
Speaker 1: in the ass. So there's been some really bad Aaron
Speaker 1: Glenn defenses. They've been really good at times. Right, they
Speaker 1: stopped the run, So that's where we'll see. As much
Speaker 1: as there is things I like about this higher, I
Speaker 1: don't view Aaron Glenn as like, oh man, look at
Speaker 1: this defensive mastermind they're bringing in.
Speaker 2: Right, right, But like I said, I think you're bringing
Speaker 2: him into be a leader, But there's certainly a lot
Speaker 2: of data that suggests heading into this year. Like we
Speaker 2: talked on the Lions TPP like Aaron Glenn like, I
Speaker 2: know your identity is like blitzing, and we want to
Speaker 2: bring pressure. We want to take the game on our
Speaker 2: own terms. We're gonna play man coverage on the back end.
Speaker 2: But there was plenty of numbers that showed that the
Speaker 2: Lions when they rushed four were like a top pass
Speaker 2: defense in the NFL, above average pass defense in the
Speaker 2: NFL when they only blitzed four, and they were still
Speaker 2: able to get decent pressure numbers because you have Aiden
Speaker 2: Hutchinson and some other talented guys there too. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll say but with this Jets roster though, Bobby like,
Speaker 2: how do you not salivate, especially as a defensive coach.
Speaker 2: How do you not salivate with the idea and the
Speaker 2: possibility of working with these guys. Now, there's some work
Speaker 2: that the Jets roster need to do. They need to
Speaker 2: make a decision on DJ Reid. He's up for a
Speaker 2: contract extension. What do you do with him? I would
Speaker 2: continue to pair him with Sauce Gardner and then you
Speaker 2: have one of the best one to two punches in
Speaker 2: the NFL at cornerback, I think it's the best. Jamien
Speaker 2: Sherwood and Quincy Williams, two linebackers that are also need
Speaker 2: contract extensions. I think they're one of the best one
Speaker 2: to two punches. At interior linebacker CJ. Mose he is
Speaker 2: a guy that's coming off of injuries. He's the only
Speaker 2: like starring linebacker that's like under contract, so he may
Speaker 2: have to work something out with him. You have Quinn Williams,
Speaker 2: you have an ascending pass rush pass rusher Will McDonald's.
Speaker 2: So I mean that's just the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2: And they made efforts to improve their offensive line, which
Speaker 2: was their big bugaboo over the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: which the offensive line was better for the Jets for
Speaker 2: the Jets this year. So as a coach, even there's
Speaker 2: a Woodie Johnson problem and his presence is bad. I
Speaker 2: think he's the worst owner at all two and a
Speaker 2: quarterback problem, the worst owner of all sports. But part
Speaker 2: of why I think this is a really attractive job, Bobby,
Speaker 2: what are the expectations for this Jets team? They need
Speaker 2: to kind of start over, but you also don't need
Speaker 2: to fully start over with the roster that they.
Speaker 1: Have, right, No, they've got talent. They've got all pro
Speaker 1: level players. You know, you have Soft Gardner, Quentin Williams,
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson. On the offensive side, Breese Hall didn't have
Speaker 1: the year that he wanted, but we know this type
Speaker 1: of player that he can be, you know, oulu fashion.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're really excited for his year or two
Speaker 1: like they have. They have pieces, right, and that's that's
Speaker 1: just naming a few. But what will be interesting to
Speaker 1: see is this defensive mindset is very different than what
Speaker 1: Robert Solid did. Right, So now you're probably gonna see
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner follow guys and play a lot more man coverage.
Speaker 1: I know he had a down year for his expectations,
Speaker 1: still better than almost almost every corner in the NFL.
Speaker 1: The penalties were a little out of hand this year.
Speaker 1: Uh but uh, it's it's gonna be different for the Jets.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little bit of a culture shock.
Speaker 1: But if there's anything that fucking needs a culture shock,
Speaker 1: it's the Jets. What do you want to hit on next?
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Speaker 1: The crown is yours too. Glad you did. Liam Cohen
Speaker 1: denying the Jags, or Josh McDaniels going back to the
Speaker 1: Patriots for a third time.
Speaker 2: I need Josh McDaniels going back to the Patriots. I
Speaker 2: can't believe, and I'm leaving this off. I can't believe
Speaker 2: that people are defending the process of what the New
Speaker 2: England Patriots are doing. One I wasn't here for a
Speaker 2: show where you talked about Mike Rabel. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: you guys hit the nail on the head that only
Speaker 2: interviewing one legitimate candidate. And I'm sorry, virtual interviews don't count.
Speaker 2: Virtual interviews don't count. Interviewing only one legitimate candidate for
Speaker 2: head coach is already asked nine enough when the Patriots
Speaker 2: are are this backwards right now, when they seem to
Speaker 2: be lost right, you know the Rooney rule, like they
Speaker 2: spit in the face of it, A Byron Leftwige and
Speaker 2: Pep Hamilton, what have they been doing? They were not
Speaker 2: serious candidates, Mike Rabel. They had their ey set on me,
Speaker 2: and hey, good for them that they got their guy right.
Speaker 2: But I all right, so you could say that this
Speaker 2: process won them six Super Bowls. That's the replies that
Speaker 2: I've been getting, Like, I like, this organization is so
Speaker 2: stuck in their ways, and I'm a Giants fans, like
Speaker 2: they're so stuck in their ways. It's even more than
Speaker 2: what the Giants are And that's an organization that's very
Speaker 2: stuck in their ways too. But they won six Super
Speaker 2: Bowls with it all? Right, you know what's fucking missing
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick and Tom Brady the greatest coach and the
Speaker 2: greatest quarterback of all time, that's what's missing here.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think their process is ridiculous,
Speaker 1: right where when you move off Bill Belichick, you don't
Speaker 1: try and well, let's recapture Bill Belichick. No, you could
Speaker 1: have just kept Bill Belichick, you know, if if that's
Speaker 1: really what you know, Josh McDaniels was available last offseason.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: And it's funny that since they fired Bill Belichick, they
Speaker 1: have hired to Bill Belichick linebackers to be their head coaches.
Speaker 2: Why not just keep them? You're you're so right, why
Speaker 2: not keep them?
Speaker 1: The process is ridiculous, But I kind of like the
Speaker 1: results though.
Speaker 2: Oh what's yes? Six Super Bowls. Is that we're talking.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm talking about Mike Rabel and Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 1: H Yeah, like Mike, Mike Rabel, I don't think is
Speaker 1: this great head coaching. It's the whole, you know, it's
Speaker 1: the you know, you take a step back or you know,
Speaker 1: a toothpick makes everyone look better. Like it's just anytime
Speaker 1: you take a year off your your your your reputation rises.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just like an NFL. I know he
Speaker 1: was with the Browns, but took a year off, your
Speaker 1: reputation rises. So Mike Rabel last year wasn't even hired
Speaker 1: for a head coaching job. This year he's you know,
Speaker 1: the top candidate or a top two candidate between him
Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson. But I do like Mike Frable. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna bring a lot there. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be like you know what they wanted girod Mayo too,
Speaker 1: uh and Josh McDaniels, as much as I hate him
Speaker 1: as a head coaching candidate, right, the idea that the
Speaker 1: Raiders like, ah, you know what this guy's been, you know,
Speaker 1: a horrible leader of men and bad head coach and
Speaker 1: literally spurned the Colts and unbelievable move and everything ended
Speaker 1: horribly in Denver, and we haven't seen Patriots coaches Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick disciples pan out. Uh, he has been a good
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator if you and you get him with Drake
Speaker 1: may right, I actually think it can work. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree that the process and all that is bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's so fucking dumb for like Robert Kraft is smelling
Speaker 1: himself too much and just like, ah, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's just try and recapture glory days. You should not
Speaker 1: do that, right. It's I told I said about I
Speaker 1: said this about it before, where it seems like the
Speaker 1: college who was dominant and then fell off, and then
Speaker 1: they go and hire you know, the guy who was
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator for one of those teams, or you
Speaker 1: know the star you know, linebacker, offensive lineman, Like, well,
Speaker 1: we got to get someone that's from the from the
Speaker 1: program to fix us and bring us back to those
Speaker 1: glory days. But I just I do like the results
Speaker 1: of them getting Mike Raybull and Josh McDaniel to be
Speaker 1: the head coach and offensive coordinator for that team.
Speaker 2: Hey, the only time that Mac Jones looked like a
Speaker 2: capable NFL quarterback was his rookie year, and that was
Speaker 2: when Josh McDaniels was his offense coordinator. You talk about
Speaker 2: that all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen, if they had if they didn't have Drake,
Speaker 1: I would be shitting on this because I don't think
Speaker 1: Josh mcdaiels is the guy who takes a bad or
Speaker 1: average quarterback and it's gonna make it easy and look better.
Speaker 1: You've got to be dialed in and really on the
Speaker 1: same page on a lot of things. But I think
Speaker 1: Drake May is that type of quarterback and that's why
Speaker 1: it'll work.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think earlier it's like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: justin do you do hate Mike Rabel. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: that's that's not necessarily case. I just hate the way
Speaker 2: that the Patriots went about hiring Mike Rabel. I didn't
Speaker 2: think there was this big rush. There's only been two
Speaker 2: coaches that have been hired this cycle so far, and
Speaker 2: the Patriots hired what Mike Rabel this point a week ago,
Speaker 2: a week and a half ago, So I really don't
Speaker 2: think there was this huge, huge rush. But my also
Speaker 2: problem with the Patriots is that they're a horrible team
Speaker 2: like this is not a good team. And you just
Speaker 2: mentioned that Josh McDaniel, like Drake May is gonna need
Speaker 2: to be locked in with who. You know, Pop Douglas
Speaker 2: is the best guy that he's throwing on the ball,
Speaker 2: that's throwing the ball. I didn't get what they I think.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Elliott Wolf went on records saying that
Speaker 2: we didn't get what we thought that we were going
Speaker 2: to get out of out of Jalen Polk and some
Speaker 2: of the other young receivers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the issue keeping Jelliot Wolf. They should have
Speaker 1: fired il A Wolf and got a real GM. That's
Speaker 1: my worry with the Patriots because they have not done
Speaker 1: a good job of bringing in talent through the draft.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's there's some hits in there, like Christian Gonzalez,
Speaker 1: and you can blame Bill for all that. But Ela
Speaker 1: Wolf's draft last year was we you know, you have
Speaker 1: to wait the judge draft classes, but that was one
Speaker 1: that's in the moment, like Hill, what are we Hayden
Speaker 1: Wos Jalen spoke this early. I like Javon Baker, but
Speaker 1: there's also you know, there's character questions with him, and
Speaker 1: I just didn't like their draft in the moment. That's
Speaker 1: that's my worry. But here's the thing is, they do
Speaker 1: have the most cap space in the NFL one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty million or one hundred and ten million or whatever. Like.
Speaker 1: If there's one team that I think should go pay
Speaker 1: big money the t Higgins, it's the Patriots, right, and
Speaker 1: then you know, maybe you get a Mecca Buca uh
Speaker 1: you know in the early second or whatever wide receiver
Speaker 1: in the second round to bring in those they were.
Speaker 1: The offensive line is what they really need to get.
Speaker 1: I think they'll probably be the team that drafts Will
Speaker 1: Campbell uh in the first Smith. You know, maybe they
Speaker 1: go spend money on Trey Smith, right, make the you know,
Speaker 1: fix the Joe Thuni mistake. So if there's one team
Speaker 1: that I'm like, hey, go pay a wide receiver and
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman top of the market, it is the
Speaker 1: New England Patriots. So I don't think it's I don't
Speaker 1: think it's too far away from being turned around. I
Speaker 1: think that defenses can be better than what it was
Speaker 1: last year. Under drawd Mayo as well.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you love to see a dull Carter?
Speaker 1: I would, I really would. But and this goes against
Speaker 1: some of my philosophies. You gotta protect Drake.
Speaker 2: May at this point. I mean again, I'm asking this
Speaker 2: question because I don't know at this point, is there
Speaker 2: is there a tackle that's worthy of taking over a
Speaker 2: duel carter.
Speaker 1: For the Patriots? Maybe Will Campbell.
Speaker 2: From Okay, And we'll talk about that as the months
Speaker 2: go on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about that as the months go on. Uh,
Speaker 1: justin this next conversation, we're not going to add much
Speaker 1: more than what everyone's saying. But it's because it's so
Speaker 1: fucking obvious. Liam Cohen is staying with the Bucks. He's
Speaker 1: turned down the Jacks to be their head coach after
Speaker 1: interviewing with him a couple of times. And the Jags
Speaker 1: thought that they were going to get and he turns
Speaker 1: them down to stay in Tampa Bay. Everything that everybody
Speaker 1: predicted was right. You had a a somewhat desirable position
Speaker 1: right in Florida. Trevor Lawrence is your quarterback, but you
Speaker 1: fucking made it undesirable by keeping Trent Balkey, who's fired
Speaker 1: five coaches in seven years, has done a terrible job drafting,
Speaker 1: terrible top terrible job team building, and and and you
Speaker 1: ruined it. You ruined it by keeping Trent Balky. Why
Speaker 1: does this, why does Shad Khan feel this? Like loyalty
Speaker 1: to Balky is unbelievable to me. As how yeah, with
Speaker 1: how bad that he's been as the forty nine Ers
Speaker 1: and the Jags gam again firing five coaches in seven years,
Speaker 1: it's just it's shocking to me that they didn't fire Ball.
Speaker 2: And Schefter gave an up date. Jacksonville was in the
Speaker 2: midst of conducting second in person head coach interviews this
Speaker 2: week with Liam Cohen, who's now out, as well as
Speaker 2: former Raiders defense coordinator Patrick Graham and Jets head coach
Speaker 2: Robert Salah. So I think they're out too, So who's in?
Speaker 1: Wait, they're out?
Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm reading this tweet correctly, and Connor
Speaker 2: like you even let me know too, I'm gonna find it.
Speaker 2: Adam Schefter quote tweeted himself an hour ago and said
Speaker 2: that Liam Colwin, who's now out as well as is So,
Speaker 2: is that Adam Schefter saying that they're still in the mix.
Speaker 1: No, he's saying those guys are those two guys are
Speaker 1: still in the mix.
Speaker 2: All right, They're in the mix. Okay, Okay, that's how
Speaker 2: you interpret it too, Connor, Yeah, I get it as
Speaker 2: that uh Liam Coheney is out, but Graham and Solar
Speaker 2: are both in and they are doing in personator.
Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, that's not interpreted, that's just what it's saying.
Speaker 1: All right. So I guess you know, it's either gonna
Speaker 1: be our guy, Patrick Graham, which I love Patrick Graham.
Speaker 1: I don't want his I don't want that to be
Speaker 1: his first head coaching job. Yeah, which with defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: it's harder than to get a second head coaching job.
Speaker 2: You're also there's also inevitably going to be a power struggle,
Speaker 2: and that's why the job is so undesirable. It's like
Speaker 2: that number one, it's not only you have the lame
Speaker 2: duck GM and Trent Balky, but number two, it's like
Speaker 2: you when shit goes wrong, who is going to be
Speaker 2: the one to throw who under the bus? And who's
Speaker 2: going to have the owner's ear? It's going to be
Speaker 2: the GM.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's this whole like, oh, well the
Speaker 1: head coach is going to you know, report directly to
Speaker 1: the owner. It's just it's just stupid. It's it's fucking
Speaker 1: looney town on Jacksonville. I don't know why the hell
Speaker 1: that they It just doesn't make sense, you know. And
Speaker 1: this is why sometimes these NFL teams and you grow
Speaker 1: up and they're like, oh, these are the best of
Speaker 1: the best, and these owners and these gms and stuff,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, you know what, they're stupid people
Speaker 1: in the world, and sometimes they get into these easy spots,
Speaker 1: and I think I feel like that's where the Jags are,
Speaker 1: where they have someone who is just not fit to
Speaker 1: be their owner because I get I don't know if
Speaker 1: they have this great relationship with Bulkey and they're best
Speaker 1: friends or what, but the loyalty to him makes absolutely
Speaker 1: no sense. He hasn't he hasn't had uh, you know,
Speaker 1: coach to double He hasn't been the GM of a
Speaker 1: double digit win team I think in like ten years
Speaker 1: or whatever. So just a fucking mess. And and Jacksonville
Speaker 1: and I feel bad for that fan base.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, even even if I'm Robert Sala, Robert
Speaker 2: Sala could go somewhere be a good defensive coordinator for
Speaker 2: a year or two. And I think now once again
Speaker 2: he's somewhat of a hot candidate, like, oh, can can
Speaker 2: we make him a Dan Quinn or even like a
Speaker 2: you know, Mike McCarthy, except on the defense side of
Speaker 2: what you know, it takes like a year, a year
Speaker 2: or two off from being a head coach, go somewhere,
Speaker 2: dominate and kill it being a defense coordinator. But I
Speaker 2: think if you if you take this job and it fails,
Speaker 2: then you're almost never going to be a coach ever again.
Speaker 2: So wouldn't you rather do that even if you're Robert Sala.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Robert Sala could do the one year
Speaker 1: off thing and then all of a sudden he's a
Speaker 1: hot candidate there.
Speaker 2: But he will he somebody will want him as a
Speaker 2: defense coordinator.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, Oh yeah, Like I think San Francisco would
Speaker 1: hire defense coordinator. So I think I think Robert Sala
Speaker 1: can get back into the into the limelight head coaching job.
Speaker 1: But I can, Like, if you're a Jags fan, you're
Speaker 1: think sitting here thinking about, like we just have the
Speaker 1: we have. We could have been very desirable, Like you
Speaker 1: could have made a case that they could have gotten
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson if they fired Trent Balky. Instead they keep
Speaker 1: Trent Balk And you have Trevor Lawrence, and you have
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, and you have you know, you know some
Speaker 1: some guys on defense you gotta pass Rusher and Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: and you're just a very undesirable location. Yeah, unfortunately for
Speaker 1: the beautiful city of Jacksonville. Just kidding. I hate the
Speaker 1: city at jackson I hate whenever I'm in there. Have
Speaker 1: you got anything else?
Speaker 2: Justin I have one more small thing? Connor, how long
Speaker 2: have we been going?
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes and thirty six seconds?
Speaker 2: All right, We're all right? Is Brian Schottenheimer really gonna
Speaker 2: be the next Dallas Cowboys head coach?
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me, that would that.
Speaker 2: Man, If you want to talk about the last year
Speaker 2: or so in terms of the Cowboys building their team
Speaker 2: and trying to improve their team, if you want to
Speaker 2: describe that as meh and not even meh but bad,
Speaker 2: I mean, wouldn't that be just the cherry on top?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Like? What this is America's team, the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Hey mart Hey, Marty Schottenheimer's son. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: football it's a football family story. Yeah, that could happen.
Speaker 1: I still think they're getting deon, Like I think that's
Speaker 1: I think that's real. I know we haven't heard anything
Speaker 1: of it since they fired Mike McCarthy, but I think
Speaker 1: there's still I think Jerry's doing whatever he can and
Speaker 1: get Dian as the head coach. But if if he can't,
Speaker 1: then it's gonna be shot him probably What a mess.
Speaker 2: What a mess? I also did. I'll shot this out
Speaker 2: too as we wrap up a I did a tear
Speaker 2: maker video, and Connor, if you want to put that
Speaker 2: link to that video in the description, I would appreciate that.
Speaker 2: I did a tear maker video of like all the
Speaker 2: head coaching jobs that were available, including the Pats and
Speaker 2: the Bears, and I put it like in a tear maker,
Speaker 2: have got to have it. Definitely intrigued, but I have
Speaker 2: some questions. First, I put the Saints in their own
Speaker 2: category because they're in cap hell and I don't know
Speaker 2: what their plan is. Intriguing, but your owner is nuts.
Speaker 2: And then wouldn't want to touch. I put the Jaguars
Speaker 2: and the Cowboys in the wouldn't want to touch category
Speaker 2: because I Bobby, I think that roster is bad and
Speaker 2: it has guys that they're paying a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Ceede Lamb. They're paying a lot of money too, and
Speaker 2: they are they're overpaying them because they wait till the
Speaker 2: eleventh hour to extend all these guys. They waited till
Speaker 2: the eleventh hour, probably, you know, a year too late
Speaker 2: to extend Dak Prescott. You possibly could have extended Dak
Speaker 2: Prescott before guys like Tua and Trevor Lawrence get extended.
Speaker 2: So instead of instead of paying him money in the fifties,
Speaker 2: you're paying him money in the sixties, sixty million dollars
Speaker 2: a year. Michaeh Parsons is he's gonna be looking for
Speaker 2: a new contract this summer. So what is he gonna be?
Speaker 2: Another guy that's gonna miss training camp Lake Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 2: and then get off to a slow start of the year.
Speaker 2: That's not what you want out of one of your superstars.
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Lawrence's contract is up on a defense that they
Speaker 2: had a very hard time stopping the run? Are they
Speaker 2: gonna want to pay him? What's his contractor to look like?
Speaker 2: At age thirty two? Osa Diggi zuwa interior, he's like
Speaker 2: one of the only good interior defensive lignement that they had,
Speaker 2: but more of a pass rusher. Are they gonna buckle
Speaker 2: up and pay him? What presence do they have an
Speaker 2: interior linebacker or demarve On Overshown second season ending injury
Speaker 2: in the last three years for him, but they have
Speaker 2: no other talent on an interior linebacker. What's the offensive
Speaker 2: line going to look like? Zach Martins has a void
Speaker 2: year coming up. Like this is a roster that is
Speaker 2: that has stars and they will be decent with those stars,
Speaker 2: but they are not good and what are they gonna do?
Speaker 2: They don't want to spend any money.
Speaker 1: There's here's the thing. They went seven to ten with
Speaker 1: Dak injured. They have Dak Prescott's CD LAMB, Micah Parsons,
Speaker 1: Trevon Diggs, Deren Bland. They're also line is the second
Speaker 1: year guy and Tyler Guy and Tyler Smith and All
Speaker 1: Pro Cooper b Bbe who had a good rookie year.
Speaker 1: Zach Martin probably will stick around. Who's an All Pro.
Speaker 1: So you know, even Terrence Steele's you know, not a
Speaker 1: bad right tackle and they draft well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're America's team in the and they draft well.
Speaker 2: But there are just certain decisions, especially when it comes
Speaker 2: to extending their guys and how they approach free agency.
Speaker 2: Were like the biggest addition that they added last year
Speaker 2: was Eric Kendricks. Are you kidding me, man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they kind of took a gap year last
Speaker 1: year with with the way they spend it. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're as far as like, if Bill Belichick took
Speaker 1: this job, I'd say they're Super Bowl contenders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's Bill, that's Bill Belichick, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: But they but like they have the offensive talent to
Speaker 1: you know, be a top five scoring offense in the NFL.
Speaker 1: They number one just a year ago. And then defensively,
Speaker 1: do they have holes? Sure, but they also have fucking
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons. They have cornerbacks who who intercept the football,
Speaker 1: and you know, you can kind of plug some of
Speaker 1: those holes fairly quickly if you can get a couple
Speaker 1: of draft hits right and some bargain free agents.
Speaker 2: Still some major questions though, like all those guys like
Speaker 2: Lawrence Zach martin Osa, Diggie zoo Wa, no interior linebacker
Speaker 2: talent like those are like some legit questions. Tyler Giton
Speaker 2: was on and off injured last year and they would
Speaker 2: pull them at times. Is it because of injuries because
Speaker 2: of performance? You know? No wide receiver too, no running
Speaker 2: back like there there's a lot of things that the
Speaker 2: Cowboys need to work on roster wise, and you know,
Speaker 2: like it's they're gonna have to pay Micah. So that's
Speaker 2: gonna that's gonna be at least over thirty million dollars
Speaker 2: thirty five million dollars per year. He's gonna get Are
Speaker 2: they going to buckle up and pay these guys? And
Speaker 2: how are they? They really have to knock the draft
Speaker 2: out of the park. That's what they have to do.
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, all right, that's an episode. We will see
Speaker 1: you on Friday for a preview of the conference championship.
Speaker 1: We'll see you then. Until then, this is football today.