1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stepan 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: Never Told You Protection of I Heart Radio. And it's 3 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: time for another edition of spenty book Club. And this 4 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: is a special one because it is a book we 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: mentioned in one of our Women Around the World episodes 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: that we chose in honor of Earth Day because we 7 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: thought of Aliyah Thomas's newly published book, The Intersectional Environmentalists. Uh, 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: we thought it would be a perfect fit and it was. 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: It's excellent. Go look it up, read it so good. Uh. 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: It just came out in March and we couldn't wait 11 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: to get our hands on it. We have a lot 12 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: of ground to cover, so this one is going to 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: be a two parter, two parter m hmmm, so be 14 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: on the lookout for part two. But yeah, honestly, it's 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: just truly inspiring. It's very thoughtful, it's very educational as 16 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: a lot of resources, really helpful resources, discussion questions. Yes, 17 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: I mean it's perfect if you need something for a 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: book club, but this is it. This is what you 19 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: need for a book club because it kind of lays 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: it out for you and it has all of like 21 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: addendums and added on added on add ons that you 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: might even want for more resources. So it's beautiful. And 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: not only that, one of the best things about this 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: is it tells you who to follow and to see 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to leading this movement. And I already 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: fantastic and I already followed a few people on TikTok 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: and it's amazing. And I know we're gonna talk a 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: little bit about later because I want to talk about 29 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: this as a separate episode, but it really does a 30 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: good job encountering what we are hearing of climate doom. 31 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: Uh is um. I guess that's happening a lot right now, 32 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: and that is not the narrative we want to spread. 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: We want to spread hope, but not only hope. We're 34 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: not trying to be dismissive and say, oh it's fine. No, 35 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: we're talking about being active and not giving up. And 36 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: she does an amazing job and not only helping you 37 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 1: to think this through and think of it on multi levels, 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: but she yeah, kind of how we've talked about when 39 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: people do activism like this and talk about intersectionality, they 40 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: have She's done the labor. Not that it's easy, but 41 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: it's there and it's wide open, and it's here for us. 42 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: To consume and really bring in. We love it. I 43 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: love this book and it's so short, I was. I 44 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: was surprised how short it was, but it's compacted with 45 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: so much accomplished, so much. So we talked about Thomas's 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: advocacy and activism and accomplishments in the episode we did 47 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: highlighting the work of some amazing black women in the US. 48 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: And she calls herself an eco communicator and coined the 49 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: term intersectional environmentalism on viral Instagram post in twenty and 50 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: it has blown up obviously to do this book, and 51 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: I really hope it makes it on the bestseller list 52 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: because it deserves it. It absolutely does, because yeah it does. 53 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: It covers a lot of ground, providing history and context 54 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: things like intersectionality, massage, noir, making space, which Thomas does 55 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: an excellent job of in this work, Like there's little 56 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: breakouts of asking people from different spaces about these issues 57 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: UM critical race theory, eco feminism, history, environmental justice, interviews 58 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: with other leaders in the movement, privilege, food justice, food apartide, 59 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: eco able is um fashion, energy, veganism, with plenty of 60 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: examples and data to back up her points. Honestly, it 61 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: was a real hard thing to just like not read 62 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: the whole book on air because it's so useful. It's 63 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: so good um, and it does have this kind of 64 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: toolkit with resources. It also comes with interactive things like 65 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: pledges and questions about how you personally can contribute to 66 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: the movement in a meaningful way, or just like asking yourself, 67 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, just like okay, where am I this? 68 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: How can I help? Um? Which is it's extremely useful. 69 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: It opens with the forward written by Gloria Walton, the 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: president and CEO of the Solutions Project. Quote. My grandmother, 71 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: a farmer and descendant of people enslaved in the United States, 72 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: was one of my greatest teachers, instilling in me foundational 73 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: values of dignity, community, and love. I remember walking with 74 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: her as a small child and her saying, with the 75 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: sweetest southern charm, walk in front of me, honey, put 76 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: your head up, rollo shoulders back, swing those arms, smile 77 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: and walk with purpose, baby, And I did. She, alongside 78 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: my mother and the matriarchs in her neighborhood, taught me 79 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: that dignity comes from within, from the love I have 80 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: for myself and my community. I was born into poverty, 81 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: but I was raised by proud, resourceful Black women who 82 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: took care of themselves, their people, and the land. I 83 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: remember vividly how concepts like conservation and sustainable living were 84 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: not theoretical to us, nor were they burdens to our 85 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: way of life. They were how we got by, how 86 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: we flowed in relationship to one another and our environment. 87 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: We practiced the models that were passed down from generations 88 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: before us, and we integrated our own experiences into lessons 89 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: for the future. Right. And I do love how Thomas does. 90 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: We've in a lot of tradition with what is needed today, 91 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: and so she really brings it back because for me, 92 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: growing up in the South Uh in a very country 93 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: and rural area, this sounds familiar ish and that we 94 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: get passed down from that generation. Of course, I say 95 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: familiar ish because I am not from the black community 96 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 1: and it was not raised by black people. But in general, 97 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: just that layer of this is our land, we must 98 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: take care of it. There was that pride in and 99 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: loving the land, and I think having that generational love 100 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: takes on a lot. And when it comes to the 101 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: Bipop community, that is something that they bring in and 102 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: that that's the layer that has a deeper meaning that 103 00:05:54,920 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: is so often ignored. Yeah yeah, So moving on with 104 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: another fantastic quote. Intersectionality is one of those breakthrough academic concepts, 105 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: this one coined by the inimitable Kimberly Crenshaw that, for 106 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: millions of people, including black women like her and like 107 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: me and Leah, is simply how we live justice. Kimberly 108 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: Crenshaw's own lived experience gave rise to this foundational framework 109 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: of critical race theory. Her story and scholarship have offered 110 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: the world a glimpse into our daily reality. Seeing how 111 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: we as black women can transmute terror and trauma into 112 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: a vision for something beautiful, collective, and strong is what 113 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: makes intersectionality so critical to solving the global climate crisis. 114 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: It is also what makes critical race theory so scary 115 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: to those clean onto treacherous power. Because if we can 116 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: create the future we want despite the realities of not 117 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: only racism, but also sexism, poverty, and other oppressive systems, 118 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: imagine what all of us can do and be when 119 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: those systems crumble and we are all free. Oh and 120 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: we definitely talked about this in the conversation of intersectionality, 121 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: that when black women are free and I actually cared 122 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: for and loved. Everyone has freedom and that it has 123 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: to start there because that is where we downfall. Just 124 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: because one system maybe better doesn't mean it's better for everyone, 125 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: and that makes no one it's free. Yeah, And I 126 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: We've had so many discussions about all of this when 127 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: it comes to the environment and how important it is, 128 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: and uh, we're gonna we're gonna dig into these those 129 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: issues throughout these uh two part this two part book 130 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: club episode. But it's just so much like it's so 131 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: much to unpack and and this is all like we're 132 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: still on the forward. This is all a forward uh 133 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: coming and talking about celebrating Leah's book. Uh and as 134 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I feel like I don't think we can say this 135 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: enough about how things like this as we see it happening. 136 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: The reason that I'm so excited that we're talking about 137 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: this is because it isn't a release and we're not 138 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: talking about it twenty years down the road when we're 139 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: fighting about something about the same things. UM, so sorry, 140 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: I can really quin Shaw off for the fight that 141 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: you've had to do, even though you've already had this 142 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: fight twenty years ago. But you know, stuff like this, 143 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: it's like we're actually here in the present and being 144 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: able to celebrate it and and just being able to 145 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,119 Speaker 1: lift it up, feeling like we're contributing just a small 146 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: bit and opening up those voices. So I get excited 147 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: when I see things like this because it's so passionate 148 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: about the things that people do and she's changing things. 149 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. Yes, I do too. 150 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: We have one more quote from the forward by Walton, 151 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: intersectional focus organizations working for climate equity and justice still 152 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 1: receive less than five percent, by the most generous accounting 153 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: of the total two point four billion dollars granted annually 154 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: for the environment. Within that, an even smaller fraction goes 155 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: to nonprofits led by black people, Indigenous people, immigrants, and 156 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: other people of color. Women of color receive just point 157 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: six percent of total philanthropic benefit in the United States 158 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: across all issue areas, despite being the backbones of most communities. 159 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: And yes, that is like the thesis statement of this 160 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: of why that is a huge problem, which it is, 161 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: and why it's important that we changed that, very very important. 162 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: So speaking of thesis statements, moving into the themes, One 163 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: of the big themes that this book opens with is 164 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: why an intersectional approach is critical to environmental protection and 165 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: that discussion at large, um quote, the Earth shouldn't be 166 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: taken for granted, nor should its people, and the drivers 167 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: of this exploitation, greed, racism, capitalism, and other systems of 168 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: oppression should be rejected and dismantled. If we combine social 169 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: justice efforts with environmental awareness efforts, we will harness enough power, representation, 170 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: and momentum to have a shot at protecting our planet 171 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: and creating equity at the same time. So this is 172 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: we're out of the forward. These are Thomas's words, and 173 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: again like right away she's she's hooking here. She's like 174 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: so important and here is why, and she gives so 175 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: many good examples as we get into it, but yeah, 176 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: she does. She starts at the beginning of like this 177 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: is what it should be, and this is what we 178 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: need to look at, and this can't be forgotten and 179 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: that's something that's so important. And again, as a person 180 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: who has not who has not grown up in a 181 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: world where recycling and being environmental cautious was advantageous or 182 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: even able to, like growing in rural mountains of Georgia, 183 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: not having access to being able to recycle or understand 184 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: it that's even accessible, getting like having to pay to 185 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: do any of these things, as that was something that 186 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: was like nonfeasible. It wasn't important in my life. But 187 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: because of that, I thought that was not necessary, which 188 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: again this is my own ignorance, but not didn't realize 189 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: how necessary it was and how it does play when 190 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: it comes to racial, social, and feminist justice, like these 191 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: are all things that do pile on each other. She 192 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: just says it at point blanks, like nah, you need 193 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: to know this, um, this is why it's important. So 194 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: again like a few sentenzis, but it already starts with 195 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: like oh wow, okay, let's pay attention. So moving on 196 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: with Thomas's words. When I studied environmental science and policy 197 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: as an undergrad at a predominantly white institution or p 198 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: w I, social issues were perpetually separated from environmentalism, sustainability, 199 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: and conservation. Learning about environmental justice wasn't mandatory in my 200 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: liberal arts education, nor did I ever have a professor 201 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: who looked like me. Start contrast to the equity and 202 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: liberation centered environment intertwined in curriculums that many historically black 203 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: colleges and universities and yeah, I think as a social worker, 204 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: I don't think I had any of that. And for 205 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: obviously social justice social welfare was a huge part of 206 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: why I wanted to be a social worker and advocacy. 207 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: We never talked about environmental justice and that's concerning, Yeah, yeah, 208 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: because it just impacts so many in fact, so many 209 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: aspects of all our lives, and it is something that 210 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: is so it can be such a privilege, and you 211 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: won't if you're not talking about it, then maybe you 212 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: can just surpass like, oh, yeah, it's fine for me, 213 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: but it's not fine for a lot of people. And 214 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: ultimately it's not fine for any of us because we're 215 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: not talking about it. We're not talking about it in 216 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: a way that is intersectional and that takes into account 217 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: all of these things, and it's just hugely important and 218 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: I think it is a real big misstep in our education. 219 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: Well that's kind of that conversation about healthy eating, clean eating, 220 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: all of these things. I was like, that's a really 221 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: privileged conversation when we talk about it. But as a 222 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: social worker, you know, our concerns were they getting food? 223 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: How are they getting food? We didn't care, but did 224 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: we get reports from people when they weren't clean enough, 225 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: when they weren't eating healthy enough, when they weren't wearing 226 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: matching clothes. Yes we did. And as in fact, like 227 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: mislabeling that as poverty and not seeing it as an 228 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: environmental crisis as well, like they weren't getting sustainable things 229 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: or clean water as part of that. That's a huge misstep. 230 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: And it's taking me like to this point of like, oh, yes, 231 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: it's intersectional. We just labeled it at one thing, but 232 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: it's all these things. But yes, going back to her words, 233 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: because y'all again this is I had to do this 234 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: as I was listening reading, like pause, what applying it 235 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: to myself? Here we go and she goes. As a 236 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: black student in STEM, I had to search beyond the 237 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: classroom to learn about the contributions of people of color 238 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: to sustainability, and I had to conduct independent research projects 239 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: to explore the social determinants that caused environmental injustice along racial, class, 240 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: and gender lines. This became increasing frustrating over time, because 241 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: I knew that my identity informed the way I cared 242 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: for the world, from the cultural traditions passed down by 243 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: my family to the realities of living in a country 244 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: built from systemic oppression. I knew, even if I wasn't 245 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: acknowledged that the overwhelmingly white and middle class identities of 246 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: my peers, professors and textbook authors influence both what they 247 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: prioritize as the most quote urgent issues facing the planet 248 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: and what solutions they proposed. They often excluded the advocacy 249 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: of racial equality. The lack of representation of black, Brown, Indigenous, Asian, 250 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: low income l g B t Q plus, disabled, and 251 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: other marginalized voices has led to an ineffective form of 252 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: mainstream environmentalism that doesn't truly stand for the liberation for 253 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: all people and the planet. If it did, environmental injustices 254 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: outcomes wouldn't be so closely linked to different identity aspects, 255 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: as will explore in this book. From the data, it 256 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: is evident that social justice and o mentalism are deeply intertwined, 257 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: and that addressing this interconnection is crucial for attaining justice 258 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: for both people and planet. Again so much, And you know, 259 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: as I'm I don't know, maybe I just got caught 260 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: up in the climate TikTok. All of a sudden, climate 261 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: activists TikTok, and all of a sudden, I've already been 262 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: a part of the black activists TikTok um. And when 263 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: I say black activists, I'm talking about the black women 264 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: who are activists and you just watch, don't comment, move on, 265 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: and you know that's the engagement support move on. But 266 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: there has been this conversation and I think I mentioned 267 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: it earlier or maybe on another episode. I don't even remember. 268 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: Everything is blurring about this whole doomist idea when it 269 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: comes to climate activism, and a majority of young white 270 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: activists are like, just quit, it's over and having this 271 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: doomsday idea and really parking on the fact that there's 272 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: nothing else we can do. Um. But it's the bipoc 273 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: act to us who are like wait, wait, wait, And 274 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of indigenous and also indigenous creators 275 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,359 Speaker 1: who are like, stop, We've been doing this work. Nothing's changed, 276 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: as in fact, people are hearing more about it. And 277 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: this is why you feel doomed, because we're actually listening 278 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: or we're actually hearing about all the bad things that 279 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: are happening, as opposed to people ignoring it. Now is 280 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: the time to act. We don't need to be backing down. 281 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: And so many cries about the fact that y'all have 282 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: been able to ignore it. But those of us who 283 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: have been in this place, Indigenous people who have been 284 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: changing themselves to get clean water, we know Flint, Michigan 285 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: had its own thing, and it had a bigger outcry 286 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: after so long, and it took lawsuit after lawsuit, after 287 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: they've been living up years off of bottled water, which 288 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: they cannot afford oftentimes, to finally get any kind of 289 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: uh conversation happening. And I know, I don't know what's 290 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: happening somewhere in New Jersey. I think there's like a 291 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: group of young children who are now like young adults 292 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: coming out with brain cancers. And I don't know the 293 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: linkage to that, but they had something obviously has something 294 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: to do with that as well, type of like environmental 295 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: crisis up there. There's so many things that have happening 296 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: that is just now being really spoken about and people 297 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: are truly listening, and so those who have not been 298 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: a part of it are in the dune. Oh my god, 299 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: this is the worst apocalypstic world. And everybody's like, no, 300 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: the bipop communities like we've been fighting this, please stop 301 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: doing that and join Well. That's also like the frustrating 302 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: part that we've heard a lot and in past research 303 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: we've done of what Thomas says. I like having to 304 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: do this extra work to find people like her in 305 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: the space, even though like, yes, people of color are 306 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: doing the majority of net work. It's just they're not 307 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: being highlighted or talked about in educational spaces. And I 308 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: know we're going to talk about this later, but I 309 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: do feel like it's complicated but kind of simplifying. I 310 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: feel like Earth Day, as so many other things, are 311 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: just you know, environmentalism in general, as so many other 312 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: things that we talked about, became co opted by companies 313 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: and like well off white people who are like for 314 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: this one day, I'm gonna recycle this. I've done my 315 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: bitch goodbye, just to go thing um again. This reminds 316 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: me of the thirty Rock episode in which NBC slash 317 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: Ge go in and make money off of this idea 318 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: by selling their products that will break, and they have 319 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: used like they make a joke like it'll break in 320 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: five years, what you'll thank you for helping the world, 321 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: But the next one you're about a dump more plastic byproducts. 322 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: But it was like this joke, but it was real. 323 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: It was absolutely real and what's happening we know that 324 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: when let's just I saw this today. So there is 325 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: an activist who's been around, she's been on Twitter. She 326 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: I think it goes by crutches and spice Monty Barbara 327 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: and who has been doing this work for disabled communities 328 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: and climate activism. And someone posted a video and there's 329 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: a mill white scientist who changed himself to a bank 330 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: talking about the effects of what they how much they 331 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: pay into oil rigs and all of that oil lines 332 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: as such, and has kind of come up in popularity 333 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: and people are praising him for the work that he's doing. 334 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: And you know, and apparently like they got arrested by 335 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: a whole mob of cops because they were scientists standing 336 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: in front of the door, essentially disrupting a little bit 337 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: of business. But and it is good that he's doing that, 338 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: and he and his his fellow scientists are bringing attention 339 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: to it and talking about who is actually making the 340 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: money and who is the cause of these problems instead 341 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: of just yes, that's throwing away plastic is bad, but 342 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: let's be honest, who is the real effect? And they're 343 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: praising him and what he's doing, and he's doing good work, 344 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: but ignoring the fact that someone has already people have 345 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: been doing this work. And typically once again, and this 346 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: is the Bipuck women and her name Amanty Barbara and 347 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: who is crutches and by some beliefs, both on TikTok 348 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: and all of that, who has amazing videos. If y'all 349 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: haven't aren't following her, you should um. But she talks 350 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: about this, She's like, hello, we're here. Why do you refuse? 351 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: And why do you always have to erase us in 352 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: order to get anything done? And wait until all these 353 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: white men stand up, they're like, oh now I have 354 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: to pay attention, like it's so dismissive. And again he's 355 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: also ignoring who was being ignored in this situation by yes, 356 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about like targeting that, but not only are 357 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: we talking about targeting them because they are doing something 358 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: bad for the environment, but they've always been bad for 359 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: the Bipop community. They've always gone after and taken advantage 360 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: of the Bipop community. Again, it kind of comes to 361 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: line about who is being seen and who isn't and 362 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: who is being activists and the Bipop community saw the 363 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: very beginning who was being treated like and who was 364 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: being taken advantage of and who was doing it, and 365 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: they've been calling it out from jump And it's really 366 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: interesting because her whole narre of like, we're so frustrated 367 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: that this is what we see, and this is what 368 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: it takes for y'all to see, and the world years 369 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: and years of labor that we have put in y'all 370 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: easily dismiss yes. And Thomas does such a good job 371 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: of explaining the intersectionality within that of like why uh 372 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: for people of color, perhaps such a protest like that 373 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: of changing yourself to building or whatever it is, is 374 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: not the safest thing to do. Um, So we have 375 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: to quote about that today and the largest environmental movements 376 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: in the US and worldwide, issues of race have been 377 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: met with hostility, downplayed, questioned, and placed on the back 378 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: burner because environmental justice activists who are primarily black, Latin X, Indigenous, 379 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: and people of color haven't been given the support from 380 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: the global environmental community they deserve. We are still fighting 381 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: for climate justice all these years, and then continues did 382 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: the environmental leaders I follow understand the gravity of risk 383 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: associated black citizens across the world who faced violence for 384 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: public demonstration? Did they understand the fear that I felt 385 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: that every protest I've attended since, watching non violent protesters 386 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: and Ferguson be beaten, maced and terrorized and black reporters 387 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: harassed and jailed, this disconnect was isolating. I watched predominantly 388 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: white environmental protesters chained themselves to buildings illegally to face 389 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: property trespass and flaunt their arrest on camera during their protests, 390 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: and I started to wonder how when non violent protesters 391 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: are innocent, Black, Indigenous, Latino and Asian citizens are met 392 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: with injustice for smaller infractions such as existing. I had 393 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: to ask how privileged must one be to so boldly 394 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: participate in theatrical protest right? And when we've talked about 395 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: women around the world and environmental activism, we talked about 396 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: specific countries who were killing people um in their activism 397 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: and just happening like there that we were getting um 398 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: innesty International and Human Rights Watch giving us reports about 399 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: how many people have been dying per year as of 400 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: this year, as of last year, or for their activists 401 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: and nothing more than calling out the government to say 402 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: this are killing your people for money? Why are you 403 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: doing this? And then they become missing. I know we're 404 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: gonna talk about. She gives me more examples of that. 405 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: And when it comes to the indigenous community, we know 406 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: many people go missing. We don't know how many, we 407 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: don't have numbers, and no one will actually talk about 408 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: the fact that it's become a huge problem that they 409 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: are at the most risk, and they are the ones 410 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: that are trying to be the loudest to talk about 411 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: it because no one else will do it for them. 412 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: Like there's so many things here that, like, uh, are frustrating. 413 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: But at the same time, again, she does such a 414 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: good job. Leah does it such a great job, and 415 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: having this conversation she does brings in so many different 416 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: voices for us to hear what is happening. But she 417 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: also brings in solutions. And that's the big part that 418 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: we keep talking about that I keep talking about when 419 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: I say she's done this work. She's done this work, 420 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: so all we need to do is pick it up 421 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: and let's act on it. Anyway, being on, I'm gonna 422 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: probably say that ten more times as we keep going. 423 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: But while this book is an argument for the need 424 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: for intersectional environmentalism, it's truly my biggest hope that one 425 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: day in the future, we won't need to preface environmentalism 426 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: with the word intersectional. I think that's the dream, right, 427 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: we won't need to create separate safe spaces and it's 428 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: curriculum sex sate to be inclusive. One day. I hope 429 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: that when people think of environmentalists, they will automatically envision 430 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: a person who cares very deeply about both people and planet. 431 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: I hope that one day environmental programs will reflect all 432 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: of the world's people and uplift their stories. Yeah, So, 433 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: like as you were saying, it's a very it's a 434 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 1: hopeful take with solutions and actionable things you can do 435 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: on something that is quite dire and unfortunately just has 436 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: at large been ignored, even though we've had these activists 437 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: like screaming right, this is a huge problem. There is 438 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: that hopeful and I hope so too, because it is 439 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: it's truly intersectional in the I hope one day it's 440 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: not like people like Thomas coming up in school have 441 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: to search out people of color in the curriculum. That 442 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: it's just included because it should be. It should be, 443 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: it should an automatic. So this is the conversation we 444 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: continue to have when we say why things like black 445 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: History Month's important. Why things like Women's History Month is 446 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 1: important a p I Because if we could just acknowledge 447 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: it and truly be equal and put on an equitable plane, 448 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: then yeah, we don't have to have this conversation. And 449 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: by the way, I know I'm speaking to the choir, 450 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: and I say this, just because we're ignoring something doesn't 451 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: mean that it's fixed. Uh yeah, yeah, nice, thank you, 452 00:25:53,280 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: thank you. But here's another growth. As we dive into 453 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: what intersectionality means, it's important to note that this theory 454 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: stems from the thoughts, experiences, and emotional labor of black women. 455 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: It may evolve and take shape in different ways past 456 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: its original intent, as with environmentalism, but this theory, defined 457 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: by Kimberly Williams Crenshaw, is rooted in the duality of 458 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: her experience as both black and a woman. Any advancement 459 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: are more broad adoption of intersectional theory should start with 460 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: the fact it was bred from the black experience and 461 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: was developed as a tool to help black women feel seen, heard, 462 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: and validated in their everyday lives. And I just think 463 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: that's so important. You should always give credit Tracy back, 464 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: make sure and that's here's the other part of this again, 465 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm bringing back to TikTok. I'm going to stop a promise. 466 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: But there there's a few Korean creators that I have 467 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: followed because they do some really great Korean recipes and 468 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: easy Korean recipes that I can get on board with, 469 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: and that's been kind of my venture recently. It's like 470 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: getting onto my culture by food. I have a lot 471 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: of trickery sensors when it comes to food. I know 472 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, um, but there's been a 473 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: lot of non Korean creators, typically white women, who come 474 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: in and do these dishes that are traditional Korean dishes 475 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: and then give it a fancy name, like I think 476 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: one was like my awesome, addictive cucumber salad was one 477 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: of them, and it was obviously like a cucumber kimchie, 478 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: which we all know is a bon chan um and 479 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: I've had it for years even like I still have 480 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: this memory of those tastes that are like, oh, I 481 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: know what this is, and then trying to make money 482 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: off of it because they were influencers and they are 483 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: like foodie people and they they got it blasted. They're like, 484 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: this is a Korean dish. We understand if you want 485 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: to share it with your people, but at least don't 486 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: act like you invented this. Don't don't do that. Um. 487 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: And then people coming back to the Korean content creates 488 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: like you're gate keeping Korean food while you just let enjoy. 489 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: Do you credit all your food? I'm like, well, calling 490 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: it by its name is giving it credit in the story. 491 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: So I think one of the things where like pizza, 492 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: and people like do you credit the Italians? Like, well, 493 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: calling it pizza is crediting the origination of this food. 494 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, so do we did? They want a history lesson? No, 495 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: but don't whitewash it and say that it's something you created. Um. 496 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: And essentially that's kind of coming back to like the 497 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: identity of understanding why it's important we credit people with 498 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: what they are due because the racer is so easy, 499 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: and when we erase people, then they lose out and 500 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: being people lose out in the origination and the origination 501 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: of the content, which is what happens, and then it 502 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: gets taken over and weaponized. Yeah, it's very harmful. It's 503 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: very very harmful. And there's a whole chapter dedicated to this. 504 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: So I really appreciated that. Um, here's another quote from Thomas, 505 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: protecting aspect their theories. Um, they're being Black women here 506 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: and their profound resiliency. Know that even in their struggle, 507 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: black women have given their knowledge to us to grow 508 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: and advance society. It is an immense privilege to create 509 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: space for and hold a piece of their magic and legacies. 510 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: Every time the word intersectionality is said or written down, 511 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: so don't use it lightly and please don't dilute its origins. Right. 512 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: We had this conversation with bridget about the term woke, 513 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: Um about like that being in critical race theory. They 514 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: have now been weaponized against people it and again like 515 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: when I said that, and I meant it when I 516 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: said that, like the origination of woke was created by 517 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: the black community to kind of give credit to non 518 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 1: black people to understand, you're getting it, You're getting what 519 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about, your woke. And now it's become a negative, 520 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: taken on by white supremacies saying oh that's fake, and 521 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: it's become this whole thing that this is now a 522 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: negative because people want to use that in such a 523 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: way and it it has become harmful and and become weaponized 524 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: against the black community so often, and it's kind of like, wow, 525 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: how did this get flipped on its head? So it 526 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: is because it's been used so quickly and it was 527 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: co opted so quickly by the non black community that 528 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: it has become diluted and I hate that. I hate that. 529 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: And and to the point intersectionality almost is it hasn't 530 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 1: become diluted, and it hasn't become quite weaponized, but when 531 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: it comes to turfs, when it comes to that, it 532 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of has. It has become a whole thing of 533 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: like mm hmm again what culture. Yeah, And I hate that. 534 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm so. But that's thing is that it 535 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: should be protected. It really should be a conversation. And 536 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: if we normalize that to what it meant about what 537 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: it needs to be or what it should be and 538 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: what it was intended, then it would be a whole 539 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: different story. And that's where we need to go. And 540 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: thank you for bringing that up and bringing that out, 541 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: and we're going on with her her quotes. Um she says, Unfortunately, 542 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: some early feminists had clear biases and chose to act 543 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: only in their own best interests. And we talked about 544 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: this before. Disregarding the concerns of women of color and 545 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: queer women, because they felt that these topics weren't related, 546 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: they didn't care, or they thought the inclusion of anti 547 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: racism or anti homophobia would complicate the matter. For white feminists, 548 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: the prevailing attitude was that perhaps, after their own liberation, 549 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: they would create space for other people and causes, which 550 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: is the bullsh trickle down theory in feminism. Yeah, that's 551 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: so though, she's so right that like, you wait your turn, 552 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: you wait your turn. Even though God, we talked about 553 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: that so much and we can talk about it so 554 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,719 Speaker 1: much more. Right, it's just harmful at large because it 555 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: was just like white women like, I want to work 556 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: and then that's it, that's it, and they're like, wait, 557 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: we can't. Yeah, we've always worked. We want equal help 558 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: and what are you talking about We've always had to 559 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: work what, which is hilarious, but yeah, no, it's the 560 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: same thing in that this h level of conversation. Of course, 561 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: we talked about the stuff ragets and how racist they 562 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: were in their movement was it's about us because black 563 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: men just got the vote, so why should white whiten. 564 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: Why shouldn't white women. It's not about black women. We 565 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: don't care about you. You're you know, all of that 566 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: conversation is that same play, is that same tone, And 567 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: and let's talk about the fact that we have to 568 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: make movements palatable, which is that whole centrist idea. And yes, 569 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, like we've had this conversation of choosing the 570 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: lesser evil. We have to make things palatable to reject men. 571 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: We've talked about this in bad dating. We have to 572 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: make things palatable to talk about anti uh supremast ideas. 573 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: We have to make things palatable to talk about classes ideas. 574 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: Like it's such a sad conversation when they have to 575 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: do that, and it gets so tiresome for those two 576 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: always tiptoe and just being able to live, yeah, to exist. 577 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: And we're going on critical race theory CRT asserts that 578 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: race is a social construct and that assigning societal values 579 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: and authority to different races is what upholds systemic inequality. 580 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: Contrary to polarize interpretations of both CRT and the term 581 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: identity politics, these theories are rooted in the desire to 582 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: dismantle unequal power dynamics. Um, oh my god, I just 583 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 1: want that to be on a giant like billboard, just 584 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: so they understand what CRT is and A is not taught. 585 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: Get over yourself. History is taught with some conversations of 586 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: what small things happen in history and not the big things. 587 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: And y'all want to ignore that. I'm sorry, I want 588 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: to say, y'all, and I'm talking about the people who 589 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: want to talk about c R two as CRT as 590 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: if we're talking about a propaganda, which is not what 591 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. Yeah, it's such a hot button issue 592 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: right now. We wanted to include that quote, and she 593 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: does go in more detail into it, um, but yeah, 594 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: it's incredibly frustrating, as you said in a recent episode, 595 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: the whole education system right now, it's just a hotbed 596 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,919 Speaker 1: of fury that the world. I think I said that 597 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: that's good though. I like that. That's yeah, I say 598 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: we co signed on it. Another very important theme in 599 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: this book is eco feminism. Uh so, here's a quote. 600 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: The exploration of the feminine in connection with nature dates 601 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: back centuries to early philosophical, spiritual, or religious context and 602 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: creation theories. In Greek mythology, Gaia or Gaia is seen 603 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: as the first mother goddess and a personification of earth. 604 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: Before her, there was just chaos other cultures have their 605 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: own versions of Earth goddesses as well. I just love this, 606 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: like his drink that adds. I love all of this 607 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: context that's there. That again, she does so quickly, like 608 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: she accomplishes so much she does. Her post went viral 609 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: because she knew what she was saying that she said 610 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: it in such a nuanced way that it was quick 611 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: and like understandable and relatable, like, oh, I get it, Okay, 612 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: there it is um and she does. Yeah. I also 613 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: like that because we've talked about the history of the 614 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: goddess in the matriarch and how important it used to 615 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: be once upon a time, and how it got flipped 616 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: when it came to power money a different conversation and 617 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: going on about eco feminism, she says eco feminism is 618 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 1: both a philosophy and a movement that exposes the dual 619 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: oppressions of women and the environment as rooted in patriarchal structures. 620 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: It is a movement and sees a connection between the 621 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: exploitation and degradation of the natural world and the subordination 622 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 1: and oppression of women right Mary Mailer in feminism and ecology, 623 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: eco feminists argue that the treatment of women in society 624 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: is a likely indicator of the treatment of the earth 625 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: and vice verse, so that because we live in a 626 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: capitalist and patriarchal or male centered society, the oppression of 627 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 1: women in the destruction of nature are natural consequence. Huh. 628 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: That's a big statement. Yeah, And we've talked about that 629 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: before too, um and a lot of wide variety of topics. 630 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: I feel like we just talked about that of women 631 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: in Sault in our last book club kind of like 632 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: that nature and women and and her like really defending 633 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: the land type of thing and understanding the land. Mm hmm, yeah, 634 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: depressingly enough. We also talked about it in like why 635 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: Women Recycle More? But yes, here's another quote. Eco feminism 636 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: was born out of the feminist and environmental movements of 637 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies and eighties, but many credit in Ester 638 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 1: King and I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly for popularizing 639 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: the term with her nineteen eighties Seven Nation article what 640 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: is eco Feminism? In this article, King asked readers to 641 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: look inward and evaluate how their beliefs is to as 642 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: informed by society, contributed to the negative treatment of both 643 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: women and the environment. This piece led to widespread awareness 644 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: of the concept. And we definitely talked about this in 645 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: the feminism of environmental activism and like women and recycling, 646 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: because yeah, for some reason, caring about the environment is girly. Yeah, 647 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: unless you're doing it to like hunt things, right, and 648 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: then that's manly. But it's weird. It's it's like again, 649 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: I don't know why we have to gender every freaking thing, right, 650 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean, the only places that you don't see a 651 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: gendered as the indigenous people, Like they are the ones 652 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: who really don't they understand the level and the following 653 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: suit like they understand how detrimental it is thinking it 654 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: that way. Of course, the Native Indigenous communities I think 655 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: have a better hold on feminism honestly in some ways. 656 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: So that's a whole from conversation in itself. Um And 657 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: and Thomas continues, there are interlocking systems of oppression when 658 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: it comes to feminism. Without an intersectional approach, BIPOC, LGBTQ 659 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: plus and other underrepresented women may be left out, erased, 660 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 1: not advocated for. Within Western interpretations of eco feminism. Cultural 661 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: eco feminist beliefs are deeply rooted in biology and gender roles, 662 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: which can lead to the invalidation and exclusion of non binary, 663 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: trans and queer people from eco feminism. This is why 664 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: to truly stand for justice for all and the planet, 665 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: eco feminism must also be intersectional. Many practitioners do have 666 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: an intersectional approach, whether they classify it as that or not. 667 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: While eco feminism was advanced by women of color like 668 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: Vendonna Shiva, my experience as a student and an activist 669 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: is that it has often lacked representation of Black, Latin X, 670 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: Indigenous and Asian perspective. At times, I have also witnessed 671 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: eco feminists appropriate Eastern religious and indigenous traditions without proper credit, 672 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: a knowledgement, or representation. It's important to make strives to 673 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: be inclusive of all women and not just their ancestral theories, 674 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: religious practices and beliefs. And oh my god, that's kind 675 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: of where I was coming with that food TikTok is 676 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: that it is a disrespect of these beliefs and you 677 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 1: want to hone in and capitalize on something and take 678 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: away from someone else. Um Appropriation versus appreciation are two 679 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: different things, and it needs to be acknowledged that we 680 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: want to normalize different cultural ideas. That's the thing I know, 681 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: that's kind of that when I had kimchi and my 682 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: my adoptive parents try to allow that for me to 683 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: have as to normalize into a new world. But it 684 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: smelled of the kitchen and everybody complained about it, all 685 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: my siblings in and I never saw it again, and 686 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: so I became ashamed of eating kimchi like that was like, 687 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: oh God, I can't like it because my white siblings 688 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: don't like it. So having that shame factor and then 689 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: coming in and saying like, oh, look, guys, we're bringing 690 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: the new fan of kimchi and acting like they invented. 691 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: It's so insulting and triggering for a lot of people 692 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: who are refugees and immigrants coming into a country trying 693 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: to acclimate but being told they don't belong. There's so 694 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: many levels to that, and it comes to the same 695 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: thing with the religious practices and beliefs, like understanding. It 696 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: took me a long time and I've never saged anything, 697 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: but before I did, I did read about it and 698 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is not appropriate. I can't 699 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: do this, and you know, holding off without it, and 700 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: I'm seeing the actual practices like really burying it is 701 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: something seen as respectful because it is important of why 702 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: we need to respect this To truly understand and appreciate, 703 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: you need to understand and respect the traditions as is, 704 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: and if you're being called out, follow through with what 705 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: they're calling you out on. Yeah, And I think to 706 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: everything you just said that, there's just there's an environmental 707 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: impact to all that stuff. So like the sage for example, 708 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: when people were people who didn't do their research and 709 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: we're just doing it, there was an environmental impact that 710 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: are to the people who that is their culture, in 711 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: the tradition and their history. Um, so it's just you 712 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: can't separate out the environmental bit of all of this. 713 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: So that's why I think this book is so perfect 714 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: and tent and necessary in this And I absolutely agreed 715 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: like it wasn't until social media and made digging that 716 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,760 Speaker 1: we got to acknowledge who has been at front and center. 717 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 1: And it has been the indigenous community that I've seen 718 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: that's been front and center, especially in the US and 719 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: of course in the in the black community, who has 720 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: been a part of this, but seeing where they are 721 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: and how long they've been working in the conversations because 722 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: it's truly impacted, like their lands have been taken away 723 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: and poisoned essentially because we were not able to see that. 724 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: In feminists were not acknowledging that. M h. Well, this 725 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: brings us to the intersectional environmentalism kind of definition chapter 726 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: of the book. So here's a quote. I define intersectional 727 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: environmentalism i E as an inclusive approach to environmentalism that 728 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: advocates for the protection of both people and the planet. 729 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: I E argues that social and environmental justice are intertwined, 730 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: in that environmental advocacy that disregards this connection is harmful 731 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: and incomplete. I E focuses on achieving climate justice, amplifying 732 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: historically excluded voices, and approaching environmental education, policy and activism 733 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: with equity, inclusion and restorative justice in mind. And I 734 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: just think that's so, that's so important. I love the 735 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: people and planet. You cannot separate. We have to be inclusive. 736 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,879 Speaker 1: We have to have these things in mind, or else 737 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: it's not working right and continue long. I E is 738 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: informed by intersectional approaches to ecofeminism, but also explores additional 739 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: intersections of overlapping identities like religion, race, sexuality, age ability, 740 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: and class. Intersectional environmentalism acknowledges how social justice and environmentalism 741 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: are intrinsically linked, and how both must be considered to 742 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: achieve environmental justice. And yeah, that's that part. Is that 743 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: justice part yep yep um. And here's one more quote 744 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: to finish up part one. I E also aims to 745 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: create space for more complete and inclusive retelling of environmental 746 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: or natural history, one that embraces all cultural contributors to 747 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,800 Speaker 1: sustainability and environmentalism. Many indigenous people's worldwide have been better 748 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 1: protectors and cares up the planet for thousands of years. 749 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: Colonization and industrialization rooted in capitalism or direct attacks on 750 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: both people and planet, and are responsible for the climate 751 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: crisis we are in. It is more important now than 752 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: ever that we validate indigenous wisdom, credit its origins, and 753 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 1: fuse it into environmental education and fully embrace different cultural 754 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: values that exist as the blueprint to what is now 755 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: known as sustainability. Well before that terminology existed, right and 756 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: now has been co opted by corporations. As you was said, Yes, no, 757 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: I think that's that's one of the things that's so 758 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: frustrating because again, like definitely personal responsibility, look up these activists, 759 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: look up the history, do what you can, but Ultimately, 760 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: these companies are the ones, right that are really making 761 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: the biggest impacts. And then they're like, here's our sustainable bottle. 762 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: If you don't use it, then that's on you. And 763 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: how sustainable is that bottles? I mean it comes down 764 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: to who is doing what, what policies are being allowed, 765 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: and you know what the policies are really lading for corporations. 766 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,359 Speaker 1: We know this, Yes they are. It's incredibly frustrating. But yeah, 767 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: there's there's also that like accessibility and price point that 768 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: I think is so important to always bring up. But yes, 769 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,240 Speaker 1: clearly we have a lot to say about this book. 770 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: If you haven't picked it up, go pick it up. 771 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: It's really really just such a good read and so informative. 772 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: But we do have a part two. This is the 773 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: end of part one, but we got a part two coming, 774 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 1: So if you haven't gotten the book now you can 775 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: go get read this part and then catch up with 776 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: us so you can help me. You know what we're 777 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: talking about, and you'll be like, yeah, I read that 778 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: part and loved it too. Because that's my favor. We 779 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: can have like a virtual you'll be sitting around like yes, 780 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 1: from here in my sie I love it. I love 781 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: it and if you have those thoughts you want to 782 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: send them to us, we would love to get them. 783 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: You can email us at steph Idia mom Stuff at 784 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: i heeart media dot com. You can find us on 785 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: Twitter at mom Stuff Podcasts or Instagram at Stuff I've 786 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 1: Never Told You. Thanks as always to our super producer Christina, 787 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: thank you, and thanks to you for listening Stuff Whenever 788 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: Told you his protection of I Heart Radio. For more 789 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: podcast on I Heart Radio, visit at radio app Apple 790 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 1: podcast Radio listening to your favorite shows