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Speaker 1: Well, have you ever wondered if what you've heard about

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Speaker 2: What if there's more to the story.

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Speaker 1: Well, today's guest joins us to uncover the truth about

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Speaker 1: the return of Jesus from his new book, They Lie

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Speaker 1: to You About the Rapture. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: join me around the table, is Cindy Johnston.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting title.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, they Lie to Us.

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Speaker 4: Well, all I can say is I'm ready, Yes, Jesus

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Speaker 4: comes back today.

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Speaker 1: We can sing that Pristal Lewis song, people get ready,

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Speaker 1: Jesus has come that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do home. Rachel, is it Dorothy doing good?

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Speaker 2: Doing good?

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Speaker 5: You know, I always think about the song that one

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Speaker 5: of Daystar's singer's songs, No Fear, And it's like I'm

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Speaker 5: telling everybody, look, that's you believe in the septum.

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Speaker 2: You won't have the fear. That's right. But we're right

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Speaker 2: about that for sure. Rachel Lamb Brown, how are you man?

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Speaker 6: This is a really hotly debated, contested topic. We're going

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Speaker 6: to talk about all the feelings and all the opinions

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Speaker 6: about the rapture. Yeah, so I'm excited to hear from

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Speaker 6: our guests, because he's very well researched and it has

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Speaker 6: been a lot of time studying this and here his perspective.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a twenty five year journey for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is a twenty.

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Speaker 2: Five year journey.

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Speaker 1: So, Rebecca Lamb, watch you ready to hear about the

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Speaker 1: rapture today? And I'm only twenty five years old.

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Speaker 2: Cindy Murdock, how are you doing? I'm doing good. Thank you.

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Speaker 7: As everybody was talking around the table, I'm thinking I

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Speaker 7: want to keep remembering that he said he's coming for

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Speaker 7: those who are looking for his appearing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think just kicking our.

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Speaker 1: Eyes on Jesus and watching and looking for him, that's

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Speaker 1: who he's well in occupying.

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Speaker 2: Yes, like, yeah, I think I was until he comes.

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Speaker 1: Don't go get into whole somewhere and high.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember what the song It said.

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Speaker 7: Will work till Jesus comes, will work?

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Speaker 2: So we do we occupy, we work, We're busy the

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Speaker 2: father's business singing Andy Well.

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Speaker 1: He is a best selling author and founder of Encounter Ministries.

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Speaker 2: And it is a great day here at the table.

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Speaker 2: Please welcome Alan. Did you come on.

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Speaker 8: In you ladies?

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Speaker 3: How are you so good to see you guys again.

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Speaker 8: Good to see you, good to be back.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, who was it?

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Speaker 3: I was talking about how old I am that I've

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Speaker 3: been studying this the same.

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Speaker 8: Goodness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got some gray hair that might tell a

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Speaker 1: little bit there too.

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Speaker 10: Well.

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Speaker 1: You know, the way of the Rapture isn't about fear,

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Speaker 1: but about the greatest hope we have as believers. And

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Speaker 1: Alan has devoted again the last twenty five years to

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Speaker 1: studying the return to Christ and he's here to share

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Speaker 1: the insights and prophetic revelations that God has given him.

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Speaker 1: And you wrote they lied to you about the rapture.

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Speaker 1: It makes me think that you don't believe in the rapture.

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Speaker 3: I like to say that, you know, I used to

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Speaker 3: believe in the rapture, but after twenty five years of study,

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Speaker 3: I still do because there's nothing more clear in scripture

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Speaker 3: and he's coming very soon, and it should be exciting.

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Speaker 3: We shouldn't be scared of this. So that's why I

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Speaker 1: Book, and I want to talk talk about the reasons why,

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Speaker 1: what kind of solidify that for you? Again, there's a

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Speaker 6: Want to know people are saying the opposite.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about you, an atheist getting saved.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, radical atheist who was in jail more

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Speaker 2: And what did you do? Can we even say that?

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Speaker 8: That's another whole show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And then within a week of being saved, without

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Speaker 8: I know nothing about.

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Speaker 2: It, nothing about the Bible, no, not at all.

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Speaker 3: And then the excitement was only contrasted by when I

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you started studying.

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Speaker 2: But what you know?

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Speaker 1: Because people have dreams, But how did you know this

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Speaker 3: Well, for me, dreams, visions, prophetic words only have significance

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Speaker 3: this dream created an insatiable hunger for me to get

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Speaker 3: about prophecy. So that's what I've done for twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about, like, maybe you go back to

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Speaker 3: Well, there's two different types of terminology we use. There's

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Speaker 3: a specific reference to the nation of Israel becoming a

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Speaker 3: In fact, in Matthew chapter twenty five, just as a

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Speaker 8: Be likened into ten virgins?

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Speaker 3: It's interesting that word then that it's not going to

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Speaker 3: So I believe we're in a very unique period of

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Speaker 2: Want we convinced you about.

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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of things, but what scripture

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Speaker 3: Well, the first one I read across was in Genesis.

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Speaker 1: One of the things you talk about is that the

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Speaker 3: So the first lower case T tribulation is every Christian's

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Speaker 3: I think it exactly right. And this is very personal

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Speaker 3: And we should expect it, be ready for it, effect it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: This is when God's wrath is poured out, His direct

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Speaker 1: And that's when the restraining is removed.

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Speaker 3: The restrainer has to be removed because we're in Christ

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Speaker 3: half of the seven year tribulation.

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Speaker 2: So the tribulation is the first three and a half years.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, these tribulation you could say is the entire

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Speaker 3: seven years, But the great tribulation is that last three.

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Speaker 8: And a half years.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be the worst.

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Speaker 1: It's the worst of it, last three and a half

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Speaker 2: Right now, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And all you have to do is just I mean,

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Speaker 12: Some books deserve to be held, cherished, remembered. This book

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Speaker 12: Every verse invites you to slow down to listen, along

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Speaker 2: For words that matter.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to send you a beautiful Bible in journal.

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Speaker 1: on to that. But first talk about the five foolish virgins.

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Speaker 1: Talk about the one left in the field one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: talk about what in the New Testament those stories.

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Speaker 3: You know, the five foolish virgins. The word foolish in

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Speaker 3: Greek is moros. It's where we get a word morons.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've looked at society today, but

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Speaker 3: we're seeing an influx, yeah, of moronic folks.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, around the world.

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Speaker 3: If they're sitting next to you, don't look at them,

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Speaker 3: you know, because there seems to be in social media.

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Speaker 8: They're all over the place.

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Speaker 3: But the Bible said, then shall the kingdom of Heaven

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Speaker 3: be likened unto ten virgins, five wives, or five foolish Now,

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Speaker 3: the interesting thing about these virgins is they're not the bride.

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Speaker 3: These virgins are to prepare the bride. So the fact

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Speaker 3: that there are five makes me wonder, is this dealing

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Speaker 3: with the five fold ministry office gifts. Is this talking

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Speaker 3: about the apostle prohet of anxils, pastor and teacher, that

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Speaker 3: there are five who will prepare the bride to meet

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Speaker 3: the bridegroom, and then there are five who don't prepare

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Speaker 3: the bride to meet the bridegroom.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, and the.

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Speaker 3: Interesting thing about the five whys is is that they're

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Speaker 3: prepared to meet the bridegroom right now, and they're prepared

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Speaker 3: if he delays is coming to meet him tomorrow. That's

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Speaker 3: the wisdom of the five wise virgins, and that's the

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Speaker 3: wisdom of eminence that we live and we're prepared to

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Speaker 3: meet Jesus right now, but we plan and prepare as

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Speaker 3: if he's not coming back for another one hundred years.

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Speaker 3: And so that was the fire, that was the wisdom

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Speaker 3: of the five.

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Speaker 1: Full of the Holy Spirit, the oil oil.

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Speaker 2: Got to stay full of that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, seven, because we get hung up on the sixty

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Speaker 1: sixty six of the.

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Speaker 2: Beasts and.

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Speaker 3: It's more fun, yes again, fear mongerings andensationalizing the sixty

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Speaker 3: six to six is much easier to get clicks, you know.

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Speaker 3: But the number one subject in the Book of Revelation,

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Speaker 3: this shocked me when I saw this. It's not the Antichrist,

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Speaker 3: it's not the false prophet, it's.

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Speaker 8: Not even Jesus.

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Speaker 3: The number one subject in Revelation is the number seven.

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Speaker 8: It is everywhere.

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Speaker 3: You can't even count, one could not even count how

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Speaker 3: many illusions there are. I believe to the number seven

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Speaker 3: in the Book of Revelation. So if you understand the

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Speaker 3: number seven, you'll understand the Book of Revelation. And if

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Speaker 3: you understand the number seven, the fear gets removed from

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Speaker 3: the Book of Revelation. Because what does the number seven mean?

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Speaker 3: It means divine perfection and completion. And so even when

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Speaker 3: you don't understand, when you're reading Revelation, there's seven heads

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Speaker 3: and seven horns, what does this mean? Just remember it

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Speaker 3: means completion and perfection. That God is going to finish

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Speaker 3: his work. He's going to do what he said he

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Speaker 3: was going to do. That this is the last chapter,

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Speaker 3: and we win in the end. That should bring hope

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Speaker 3: to you when you're reading the book, every time you

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Speaker 3: see the number seven.

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Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you help this understand

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Speaker 1: about tribulation small t yes, the tribulation and the great tribulation,

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Speaker 1: because there's something about the Yes, we're going to all

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Speaker 1: have tribulation, and there's horrible, horrific things happening in the

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Speaker 1: persecuted Church. But we really can't fathom that God wouldn't

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Speaker 1: rescue the whole ride of Christ.

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Speaker 13: That would be millions, right, millions, absolutely, And it is

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Speaker 13: Chuck Misser said, the most preposterous belief within Christianity that

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Speaker 13: there's coming to day when those who are alive and

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Speaker 13: remain will be transformed instantly.

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Speaker 3: In the blink of an eye. It is preposterous. If

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Speaker 3: it weren't in the Bible, there would be no reason

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Speaker 3: to believe it.

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Speaker 8: But it is in the Bible.

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Speaker 3: And Jesus said, I go to prepare place for you

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Speaker 3: that where I am there you may be also.

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Speaker 8: So let not your heart be troubled.

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Speaker 11: He's coming for us because we're in the in times

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Speaker 11: and it's so important for the Church to occupy and

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Speaker 11: to be salt in light. What tactics do you see

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Speaker 11: the enemy using on the Church to meet her not

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Speaker 11: as effective?

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Speaker 3: Well, if he can't destroy a doctrine, he'll infiltrate it, right,

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Speaker 3: and he'll attempt to manipulate it and make it fear based,

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Speaker 3: like what has happened with the rapture or make us disengage.

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Speaker 3: But there's a whole case I make in the book

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Speaker 3: that the rapture is actually found in the armor of God,

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Speaker 3: the helmet of salvation. Have you ever wondered when you

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Speaker 3: read about the armor of God, how is this or

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Speaker 3: Christians putting on their salvation and taking it off? When

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Speaker 3: you read first Thessalonias chapter five, it's the helmet of

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Speaker 3: the hope of salvation. For God has not appointed us

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Speaker 3: to wrath. So there's something about anxiously anticipating the Lord's

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Speaker 3: return that protects your mind in the last days, and

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Speaker 3: that's what the enemy is.

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Speaker 2: What about the rest of the armor?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, the rest of the armor? Well, that's a

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Speaker 3: whole other program too, got a whole book on that

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Speaker 3: as well, the Ephesian mandate.

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Speaker 8: But it starts at the head.

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Speaker 3: Your vision, you're hearing, your everything is impacted the way

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Speaker 3: you think by the helmet.

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Speaker 8: Of the hope of salvation that Jesus is coming.

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Speaker 7: Especially, I'm thinking of pastors teachers that are watching this

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Speaker 7: program that how when we are shown something as human

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Speaker 7: people that's exciting and we.

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Speaker 2: Look forward to we anticipate it.

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Speaker 7: If pastors and teachers would spend more time preaching about heaven, Yes,

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Speaker 7: giving the people an understanding of what we have to

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Speaker 7: look forward to. That there might not be as much

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Speaker 7: fear if we could anticipate an eternal life with Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 3: And all the God preachers have been sold alive that

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Speaker 3: if they talk about this, people will turn off, and

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Speaker 3: that's not the case. Forty two percent of Americans, not

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Speaker 3: just Christians, believe they're living in the last days.

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Speaker 8: People want to hear about this.

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Speaker 3: And you say, there's so much information online, there's this position,

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Speaker 3: in that position, we'll get a book like this so

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Speaker 3: you can fully understand it. But your congregation, when Paul

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Speaker 3: preached the First Thesalonians to the Thessalonians, he had four

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Speaker 3: weeks with them, and you know what he spent his

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Speaker 3: time talking about with just four weeks, the rapture of

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Speaker 3: the church. It is a blessed, empowering hope that will

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Speaker 3: strengthen people. We've got to get our minds on eternity

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Speaker 3: once again, and not just on what's in.

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Speaker 8: Front of us.

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Speaker 1: We do have a shift that has taken place where

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Speaker 1: God's given us a window. Do you believe that I

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Speaker 1: do will there be another great revival before the rapture?

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Speaker 1: A lot of people leave, it'll happen after the rapture.

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Speaker 3: What do you think another one of the great controversies online.

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Speaker 3: Of course I wonder online are these people fake? I

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Speaker 3: think these are bots online that are just stirring up

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Speaker 3: stuff all the time.

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Speaker 8: And so if you mentioned.

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Speaker 3: An awakening, they're like, no, there's not an awakening, there's

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Speaker 3: an apoctity, well apostasy. Well both can be true at

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Speaker 3: the same time. Because if my people who are called

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Speaker 3: by my name WI humble themselves in prey is a

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Speaker 3: promise to every generation. And Joel two says I will

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Speaker 3: pour out my spurt on all flesh in the last days.

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Speaker 3: We're in that time. We're in that window right now,

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Speaker 3: and again we're seeing the thing line that means it's

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Speaker 3: time to press in. It's the two minute warning, it's

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Speaker 3: time to get excited, and it's time to know that

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Speaker 3: we win in the end.

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Speaker 1: So what couple of signs have you noticed that really

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Speaker 1: point to that the return in the rapture of the

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Speaker 1: church is imminent.

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Speaker 3: Well as it was in the days of Noah, where

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Speaker 3: the Bible said they were eating, drinking, marrying, and giving

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Speaker 3: in marriage. What that means is there was no thought

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Speaker 3: of impending judgment. This is the first generation that is

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Speaker 3: so absent. You know, when you talk to someone, they'll say, well,

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Speaker 3: every generation has salt their their generation. You're right, except you. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: every generation has thought that except you. And you're fulfilling

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Speaker 3: Bible prophecy right now by mocking it because we're completely

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Speaker 3: absent any understanding. We have technology, advances in technology beyond

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Speaker 3: anything that they say it's going to cure cancer. Well,

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Speaker 3: at the same time, it may be in civilization, but

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Speaker 3: it'll probably cure cancer at the same time.

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Speaker 8: All this happening well.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention either, like in the days of Noah,

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Speaker 1: Rick Grinter talks about this, Our dear theologian talks about

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Speaker 1: the fact that there were giants, yes, and there were

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Speaker 1: of course the sons of God with the daughters and

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Speaker 1: me in mixing DNA, and that's going on.

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Speaker 8: It's happening right now.

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Speaker 3: There was an elderly gentleman in his seventies arrested recently

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Speaker 3: for mixing gene splicing and creating hybrid beings in his basement.

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Speaker 9: Oh no, that's how this.

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Speaker 8: Is happening right now.

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Speaker 3: It's not being reported on very heavily, but that's how

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Speaker 3: common it's becoming, that someone in their basement is doing it.

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Speaker 8: And as it was in the days of Noah.

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Speaker 3: So should we be fearful when we see all these

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Speaker 3: things come to pass?

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Speaker 8: No, let not your heart be troubled.

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Speaker 3: Jesus has prepared a place for you, and he's just

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Speaker 3: about to come and get you.

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Speaker 1: And the second coming final face is Jesus coming back

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Speaker 1: with his church.

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Speaker 3: Yes with yes, he can't come back with his church

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Speaker 3: until he comes back for his church.

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Speaker 8: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: So he's going to come back and get us. We're

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Speaker 3: going to get our rewards, get equipped for battle, be

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Speaker 3: assigned our assignments. Then we're coming back with him in glory.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be an amazing time.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we are out of time. Who needs

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Speaker 2: to read the book?

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Speaker 3: Everybody who wants to be ready for the rapture.

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Speaker 1: Everyone who wants to be ready rapture. It was a

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Speaker 1: great book and we really barely scratch the surface. Alan

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Speaker 1: goes into a lot of detail, and so you need

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Speaker 1: to get the book.

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Speaker 2: But we are out of time.

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Speaker 1: I want you to know Jesus is coming. We don't

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Speaker 1: have to be fearful. We have that blessed hope because

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Speaker 1: of what He did at Calvary. We can go to him,

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Speaker 1: be joined to him, be forgiven, and know that we

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Speaker 1: have the promise of eternal life, and you can be

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Speaker 1: ready to meet the Lord. Just like Alan said, if

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Speaker 1: you invited Jesus into your heart today, go to the

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Speaker 1: phone and call. We would love to pray with you.

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Speaker 1: And if you're watching today and you need prayer, that's

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Speaker 2: It's our joy, our privilege to do so.

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Speaker 1: But I want to thank you Alan for joining us

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Speaker 1: to get a copy of his book They lied to

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Speaker 1: you about the Rapture. To find out more about his ministry,

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Speaker 1: You come back as we get closer and closer. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what's your next book.

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Speaker 2: Going to be?

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Speaker 3: You know, well, no, I'm not going to say it's

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Speaker 3: another they lied to you book. It's going to be

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Speaker 3: another they lied to you, But I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: say what it is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're just making all right?

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Speaker 2: All right? Well, we love you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for watching. I hope you've been encouraged today. We'll see

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Speaker 2: you next time.

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Speaker 10: Bye bye for today.

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Speaker 1: Well, so many people think of the Holy Spirit as

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Speaker 1: just a force or a feeling.

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Speaker 2: But what if I told you he's a.

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Speaker 1: Person who can be your very best friend. Well, today's

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Speaker 1: guest joins us to share how the friendship of the

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Speaker 1: Holy Spirit radically transformed his life and how the same

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Speaker 1: relationship is available for you and really for all of us.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, joining around the table

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Speaker 1: is Cindy Johnston.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes we make the Holy.

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Speaker 1: Spirit so weird and you know, hard to understand, when

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Speaker 1: really it's pretty simple, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: It is we do overcomplicate it, and I think people

685
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Speaker 4: give opinions that really are not biblical. But I'm glad

686
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Speaker 4: that we're talking about this today so people can have clarification,

687
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Speaker 4: because the Holy Spirit is so vital in our lives.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's so important in a kindle.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know, I was afraid of the Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 1: You came from kind of a traditional church background, tradition,

691
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Speaker 1: and he thought, all this kind of weird I did.

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Speaker 14: And I told Freda, said, I will go to you

693
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Speaker 14: to that meeting, but don't try to make me do

694
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Speaker 14: any funny stuff. You know.

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Speaker 2: I thought that's what the Holy Spirit would do. I've

696
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Speaker 2: found out he's your best friend. He is power, Rachel.

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Speaker 1: Before Jesus left this earth, he said, it's necessary, it's

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Speaker 1: expedient that I go away, so the comforter will come.

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Speaker 1: This is the Holy Spirit's presence in time on the

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Speaker 1: earth right now, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And this was a subject that Dad kind of

702
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Speaker 6: was the homework of his ministry, was teaching people how

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Speaker 6: to be empowered by the Spirit because there's so much

704
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Speaker 6: power that's available to us if we build that relationship

705
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Speaker 6: with the Holy Spirit, and he's constantly guiding us and

706
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Speaker 6: all these you know, day to day decisions and people

707
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Speaker 6: want to know like what do I do next, or

708
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Speaker 6: what does the future have for me, or just those

709
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Speaker 6: little things you go through in life. And the Police

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Speaker 6: Spirit is a great great asset to you.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: J Sure you look really pretty today. Thank you, all right,

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Speaker 1: Kendrick Kelly day. You know, the Holy Spirit. We complicate

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Speaker 1: that so often, don't we.

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Speaker 2: We do.

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Speaker 14: I have grown up to our eye that we do.

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Speaker 14: It's really not that complicated. But I've grown up where

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Speaker 14: I've seen that people make the Holy Spirit weird. They

719
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Speaker 14: make it weird. The Holy Spirit is a comforter. He

720
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Speaker 14: gives you wisdom, He helps bring you your.

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Speaker 2: Joy in your day.

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Speaker 14: And that's what we pray with my kids in the

723
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Speaker 14: morning on the way to schools. Holy Spirit help the

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Speaker 14: girls have joy in their day, help them make good decisions,

725
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Speaker 14: be with them and comfort them, because that's who he is.

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Speaker 2: He's our friend. You need him. We do.

727
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Speaker 1: And Cindy, we're like when we are saved and we

728
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Speaker 1: receive Jesus, we receive the Holy Spirit on the inside

729
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Speaker 1: of us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's not like we get a fourth and a

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Speaker 2: half and three horse. You know, he comes to live

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Speaker 2: on the inside of us.

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Speaker 1: But we're talking about how he can get more of

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Speaker 1: us right exactly.

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Speaker 2: And the exciting thing is our guests today. I think

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Speaker 2: he articulates that process so beautifully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and because you know, Jesus when he taught, he

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Speaker 1: taught in a way that everyone could understand what he

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Speaker 1: was talking about. It wasn't complicated. That's what our today's

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Speaker 1: guest is going to do. He's a spirit field author

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Speaker 1: and evangelist. Please welcome David Hernandez.

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Speaker 2: Come on in, David, Hello, Hi. That was some of

743
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Speaker 2: the most.

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Speaker 1: Man that was strong, Holy Spirit music hour at the table.

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Speaker 1: I'm just the Holy Spirit was walking in behind him,

746
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Speaker 1: you know. Anyway, welcome to talk about such an important subject,

747
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Speaker 1: yet people have made it complicated. You've written the book

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Speaker 1: Holy Spirit, God Within You, and I just want you

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Speaker 1: to start kind of at the beginning, kind of your

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Speaker 1: first introduction to understanding who and what the Holy Spirit was.

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Speaker 15: So, if we're going to go to the very very beginning,

752
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Speaker 15: we got to go generations back, all the way to Zacatecas, Mexico.

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Speaker 9: I've been there, so they are.

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Speaker 15: My great great grandfather was a warlock generations ago, and

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Speaker 15: people would come to him to heal the sick, to

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Speaker 15: put curses on their enemies, and various other displays of

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Speaker 15: demonic power.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying the enemy has some power as well?

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Speaker 9: I would think so.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Lying signs and wonders for sure, and so what

761
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Speaker 15: ended up happening was what we would call a familiar spirit.

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Speaker 15: And I want to be careful here because I don't

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Speaker 15: want to magnify the power of the enemy. And when

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Speaker 15: I talk about generations, I think sometimes immediately we want

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Speaker 15: to go for terms like generational curse. Yes, now I

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Speaker 15: have no issue with saying that one generation can affect

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Speaker 15: the other through decisions that they make.

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Speaker 9: They can set the conditions.

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Speaker 15: But I would rather call it a generational cycle because

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Speaker 15: curse implies this sort of fatalism, like I have no

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Speaker 15: choice but to repeat these mistakes.

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Speaker 9: But really it comes down to choices, you.

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Speaker 15: So I like to say it's generational consequences, generational conditions

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Speaker 15: and so forth.

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Speaker 9: And cycles.

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Speaker 15: So I basically I don't want to say inherited. But

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Speaker 15: demonic power is strategized. Jesus talks about the fact that

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Speaker 15: demonic powers return. They think they call for one another,

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Speaker 15: so they have minds of their own. They're highly trained

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Speaker 15: spiritual assassins.

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Speaker 9: And they want to destroy your faith.

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Speaker 15: And so my family was harassed by demonic power until

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Speaker 15: my grandparents gave their lives to the Lord, broke that curge.

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Speaker 15: People talked about what about the bloodline. I say, no

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Speaker 15: matter your bloodline, there's more power in the blood of Jesus.

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Speaker 9: And so that broke it.

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Speaker 15: But this doesn't mean that the enemy couldn't still attempt

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Speaker 15: attacks and deception and try where he could see some influence.

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Speaker 15: And so as a young boy, these attacks on my

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Speaker 15: mind were severe, and I would hear voices, I would

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Speaker 15: see demonic faces. I was tormented by nightmares, very aware

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Speaker 15: of the spiritual activity around me, and it created this

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Speaker 15: angst within me. Anxiety and depression began to weigh on

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Speaker 15: me even at an early age, and so this culminates

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Speaker 15: to this extreme form of a tack to where now

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Speaker 15: I can't take it anymore.

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Speaker 9: And so at eleven years old, I go to my dad.

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Speaker 9: He was a pastor.

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Speaker 15: I said, Dad, I need to get saved. I mean,

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Speaker 15: I was a pastor's kid. So I had to swallow

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Speaker 15: my pride a little bit there and admit, like, hey,

802
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Speaker 15: you know, I know I've been good and I never

803
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Speaker 15: really did anything you would label us too far. But

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Speaker 15: I need Jesus and so I get saved. It was

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Speaker 15: a really profound experience where I sense the.

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Speaker 9: Presence of the Lord.

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Speaker 15: I sensed his love, and from that moment on there

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Speaker 15: was this bondage that was broken. Now fast forward where

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Speaker 15: there was this spiritual momentum I'm seeking.

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Speaker 9: The Lord, I'm in prayer, in the Word, and all of.

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Speaker 15: A sudden that seems to be taken from me. And

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Speaker 15: this is where like the confusion starts to set in

813
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Speaker 15: from Christians, because we say, well, did the Holy Spirit

814
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Speaker 15: leave me? Jesus said, I'll give you the Holy Spirit.

815
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Speaker 15: He will never leave you. Take two glasses of water,

816
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Speaker 15: pour them into one. You can't separate again the two waters.

817
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Speaker 15: And so our friendship with the Holy Spirit doesn't culminate

818
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Speaker 15: in union. In our friendship with the Holy Spirit begins

819
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Speaker 15: in union. You already have him. The question is does

820
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Speaker 15: he have you? And so now I'm like, Holy Spirit,

821
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Speaker 15: I really.

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Speaker 9: Want to get to know you.

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Speaker 15: And this began this seeking process where one evening I

824
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Speaker 15: sought the Lord for four hours, and after four hours

825
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Speaker 15: I finally have this epiphanyous spiritual breakthrough in my mind

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Speaker 15: where now I realize it's not by my works, it's

827
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Speaker 15: not my attempt. It's not like God is keeping a

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Speaker 15: list of all of the different things that I have.

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Speaker 9: To do before he'll let my life be blessed.

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Speaker 1: Kind of go through those not great detail, but your first, second, third,

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Speaker 1: and fourth hour, because that's telling to me, and they

832
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Speaker 1: are people watching that will relate to this, because I mean,

833
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Speaker 1: you can get religious about all this, which we will

834
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Speaker 1: get you nowhere, right, or you can have pride and

835
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Speaker 1: it'll get you nowhere. And so surrender humility is a

836
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Speaker 1: big part of all this, so kind of talk about that, right.

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Speaker 15: So I began seeking the Lord, and I told him

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Speaker 15: I want an encounter. I'm not leaving here to have

839
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Speaker 15: an encounter in your presence. To be honest with you,

840
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Speaker 15: I did what I was even asking for, Like what

841
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Speaker 15: does that even look like?

842
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Speaker 9: Am I going to be crying? Shaking? Am I going

843
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Speaker 9: to see angels? I didn't know.

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Speaker 15: And so I go there. At first hour, I'm praying

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Speaker 15: for an hour. Nothing happens. In fact, I think I

846
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Speaker 15: thought I was in an hour and only five minutes

847
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Speaker 15: had passed, and this is going to be a long hour.

848
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Speaker 9: But one hour actually does pass.

849
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Speaker 15: Nothing happens like at all, Like I was expecting something

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Speaker 15: to transpire. Second hour, now I'm reaching for emotion and

851
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Speaker 15: I'm trying to guilt God into a response. Crying, weeping, look,

852
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Speaker 15: encounters in the presence of the Holy Spirit can affect

853
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Speaker 15: your emotions, but emotions in and of themselves can never.

854
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Speaker 9: Bring you into an encounter with the whole spirit.

855
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Speaker 15: It's kind of like when you have poor cell service.

856
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Speaker 15: You're on the cell phone and the other person you're

857
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Speaker 15: telling them the call is breaking up, and immediately they

858
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Speaker 15: start yelling, and you're saying, the issue is not the volume,

859
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Speaker 15: it's the connection. So in prayer, the issue is not

860
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Speaker 15: the emotional volume, it's the connection with faith. And so

861
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Speaker 15: I did that for another hour. The carpet was wet

862
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Speaker 15: with tears and nothing happened. Third hour comes, I think, okay,

863
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Speaker 15: maybe this is my great great grandfather's fault. Now I

864
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Speaker 15: didn't think that, but it was this spiritual warfare dynamic

865
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Speaker 15: now that I reached for, and I said, okay, I'm

866
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Speaker 15: going to use every technique. I was praying the bloodline

867
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Speaker 15: around my room. I was calling on angels.

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Speaker 9: Oil I did, I actually did.

869
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Speaker 15: I got the annoying oil I had this. I began

870
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Speaker 15: to use adjectives and just attach them the demons, the

871
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Speaker 15: spirit of this, the spirit of that, whether they existed

872
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Speaker 15: or not. I was rebuking them, and one of those

873
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Speaker 15: devils gone well, aggression failed, nothing happened.

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Speaker 9: Fourth hour. I'm starting to regret the ultimatum now, and

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Speaker 9: I say.

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Speaker 15: Okay, now I'm going to figure my way into the

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Speaker 15: presence of God. This is where that religious pride begins

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Speaker 15: to eat.

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Speaker 9: It was all religious. It was my attempt.

880
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Speaker 15: And now I'm saying, okay, I'm going to begin to

881
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Speaker 15: use every bit of theology, everything I read in the books,

882
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 15: everything on practicing the presence.

883
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 9: Of God, you name me. Nothing wrong with these things.

884
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 15: But I thought that alone could get me in, and

885
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 15: I found that intellect also failed. And so finally I said,

886
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 15: I was crying.

887
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 9: I said, I give up. I said, I don't know

888
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 9: how to pray.

889
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: And the Lord is like, thank you very much.

890
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 15: Yes exactly, said it took you so long, exactly what

891
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 15: took me four hours.

892
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 9: And I said, and look at.

893
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: Your posture difference.

894
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you're at this posture before and now you

895
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: said this posture went.

896
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 9: From striving to surrender. And I think that really is

897
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 9: where the power is.

898
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 15: I mean, at salvation you receive the Holy Spirit, but

899
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 15: it is through surrender that you experience his influence. And

900
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 15: so now I'm yielding and I'm saying, Okay, you know what,

901
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 15: I don't know how to pray.

902
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 9: I don't know how to find Jesus.

903
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 15: Please help me find Jesus, and I'll tell you it

904
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 15: was like heaven.

905
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 9: On earth in that room.

906
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 15: I don't always share this aspect of it, but I

907
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 15: thought that if I were to open my eyes, I

908
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 15: would see Jesus standing in front of me. So I

909
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 15: kept them shut because I didn't want to see them

910
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 15: get startled and break whatever this was.

911
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 9: But had I.

912
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 15: Sought that presence for one hundred years, those few minutes

913
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 15: would have been worth it. But the beautiful thing is

914
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 15: you don't have to seek for one hundred years because

915
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 15: it's not based on our performance.

916
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 9: It's based on Christ's perfection.

917
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 15: And so often we as Christians, we think of the

918
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 15: Holy Spirit as a reward for the super spiritual.

919
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 9: If you behave enough, you'll start hearing him. If you're

920
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 9: good enough, he'll start using you.

921
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 15: If you just obey enough, then he'll start moving in

922
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 15: your life.

923
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 9: Well, think about that.

924
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 15: That's performance based. I don't pray to connect with the

925
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 15: Holy Spirit. I pray from connection with Him, and it's

926
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 15: resting in that.

927
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: How did things.

928
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: Change for you after that encounter as far as your

929
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: prayer life and your intimacy with the Holy Spirit.

930
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 15: I like to say that breakthrough comes when you catch

931
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 15: the revelation, but freedom comes when you actually apply it.

932
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 15: So it still took me a few years to break

933
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 15: out of religious things, and I didn't even realize like

934
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 15: how many of the things I thought and did were

935
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 15: based on the idea that it was on my performance,

936
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 15: you know, even the idea of the annoying. And of

937
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 15: course there is a price to pay in that there

938
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 15: is surrender, but so many Christians think that if you're

939
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 15: not miserable, you can't be anointed. Yeah, as if we

940
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 15: have to now bear the stripes. Now there is sacrifice,

941
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 15: there's persecution, of course we're going to all face that.

942
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 9: But when it comes to.

943
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 15: This idea that I paid the price, where now there's

944
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 15: pride in that even in the spiritual dynamical.

945
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: Give us other examples of kind of breaking that religious

946
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: cycle and mindset.

947
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 15: Well, when it comes to reading the Word, I thought

948
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 15: that I would get the revelation because God looked and

949
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 15: saw how good I was at reading my Bible. Or

950
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 15: this is how I used to think too, that if

951
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 15: I prayed Monday Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, then Friday was going

952
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 15: to really be this, you know, ultimate experience. And we

953
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 15: think our prayers stack up on one another and that

954
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 15: if we miss the day God's going, well that's it.

955
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 15: And like we say things like I have to get

956
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 15: it back or I have to get my fire back.

957
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 9: And here's what I like to tell believers.

958
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 15: You may have lost your fire for God, so to speak,

959
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 15: but He's never lost his fire for you.

960
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 9: And so now we rest in that.

961
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 15: But prayer, I thought about it serving in ministry, it

962
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 15: was like, you know, it was it was this idea

963
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 15: that if I was, if I was enjoying anything in

964
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 15: life other than ministry, there was something.

965
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: Wrong with the performances mentality very much. So do you

966
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: remember when that it was going around if you pray

967
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: so many hours in the morning, and then you feel

968
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: guilty if you don't follow that, you know, And that

969
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: was great for a lot of people, But what may

970
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: work for one person may not be what God leads

971
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: somebody else to do.

972
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: And I still have the same intimacy.

973
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 9: And I like to remind people.

974
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 15: That when I was praying four to eight hours a

975
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 15: day at the beginning of my testimony, I was eleven

976
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 15: years old. I didn't have a job, I didn't have

977
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 15: a wife, I didn't have daughters, and so I actually

978
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 15: the Holy Spirit helped walk me through this because I

979
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 15: like to think in sequence. But the Holy Spirit pointed

980
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 15: out to me in the Word, doesn't it say you should.

981
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 9: Be a good husband? Well, yeah, Well, don't you need

982
00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 9: to spend time doing it?

983
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

984
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 15: Doesn't it teach you need to be a good father.

985
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 15: Don't you need to provide? Don't you need to work?

986
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 15: Don't you need to do the work of ministry? Be

987
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 15: there for others? And then I begin to see, Okay,

988
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 15: it's all there, and He's in all of it, man,

989
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 15: And so that's where that friendship dynamic comes in.

990
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 9: It's not like this power. When you see the Holy

991
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 9: Spirit as a power, you'll want to use it.

992
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 15: But when you see the Holy Spirit as a person,

993
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 15: you say, Holy Spirit, use me.

994
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 6: Why do you think the subject of the Holy Spirit

995
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 6: has become so controversial and people have made it so

996
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 6: weird when it really isn't.

997
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 15: Because I think a lot of people attach their identities

998
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 15: to the manifestations of His power. Oh wow, and they

999
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 15: want to be perceived in a certain way, and so

1000
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 15: they never let their guard down.

1001
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 9: I'll be more detailed about that.

1002
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 15: I can go from watching a cartoon with my daughter

1003
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 15: to praying for the sick, because we've kind of been

1004
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 15: taken on these paradigms. And again, I want to emphasize

1005
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 15: before I say this, I believe in praying long hours

1006
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 15: if you can. I believe in consecration, dedication, all focusing. Yeah,

1007
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 15: before I preach a sermon, I'm not talking to anyone

1008
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 15: before I preach, not because I think I'm better than everyone,

1009
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 15: because I gotta focus after the service I'm praying for

1010
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 15: people shaking hands, but before the surface, I gotta focus

1011
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 15: so on that people don't realize that the line between

1012
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 15: the natural and the supernatural is much thinner.

1013
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: Yes it is.

1014
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 15: And so we think we have to speak in a

1015
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 15: certain way, We think we have to carry ourselves in

1016
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 15: a certain way. We think we have to do these

1017
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 15: certain rituals in order to have spirituality. But spirituality is

1018
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 15: not something you have or performance who you are. And

1019
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 15: so that's the work of the spirit within me. The

1020
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 15: power upon me is for doing. The spirit within me

1021
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 15: is for becoming.

1022
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 9: And so now I realize that I don't have to

1023
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 9: perform even for others to operate.

1024
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 15: In that kind of supernatural power. Like yesterday we had

1025
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 15: a family time.

1026
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 9: We were all gathered together, my nieces and nephews, my

1027
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 9: daughter all jumped in the pool.

1028
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 15: They were throwing water balloons at Uncle Diga. I was

1029
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 15: throwing water balloons at my mom because she locked me

1030
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 15: out and the kids were throwing waters at me. And

1031
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 15: then we stopped also to pray for someone who needed

1032
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 15: a healing. They're at the family ga so going back

1033
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 15: and forth between the two.

1034
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 9: You need to live right there. That's where Jesus lives.

1035
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: So the Holy Spirit's not weird, right, so you.

1036
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 15: Don't have to be doing all that work up to

1037
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 15: that moment.

1038
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: I think part of it is that we talked about

1039
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: this earlier that you know, in certain church settings you've

1040
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: got pastors that are great orders they get up and preach,

1041
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: but I mean there can be no demonstration of any

1042
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: of the gifts of the Holy Spirit or oh that's

1043
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: embarrassing or oh people don't understand, and you address that

1044
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: really well, talk about that.

1045
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 15: Well, there's this idea that the Holy Spirit is somehow

1046
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 15: this liability like I don't know if you've heard this phrase,

1047
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 15: and I'm not attacking anyone personally.

1048
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 9: I'm just I want to address the phrase.

1049
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 15: I don't know who said it, so forgive me if

1050
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 15: you're the one who said it. But they said I'm

1051
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 15: charismatic with a seat belt, and I'm thinking charismatic with

1052
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 15: the seat belt. That implies that there's some danger to

1053
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 15: the Holy Spirit. Now, I understand that people can be

1054
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 15: in the flesh, but this idea that we have to

1055
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 15: playcate to the culture in order to be accepted for

1056
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 15: the sake of the Gospel is just nonsense. We don't

1057
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 15: don't We don't see that in any other app We

1058
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 15: don't say that about sin. Well, tone it down on

1059
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 15: the sin preaching, because then they won't then it'll.

1060
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 9: Turn them off to the Gospel.

1061
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 15: Or tone it down on righteous living, tone it down

1062
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 15: on all these other Why do we specify on the

1063
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 15: power of the Holy spirits because sometimes his power offends

1064
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 15: the intellect. And by the way, when people say things

1065
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 15: like well, they won't be saved or they're going to

1066
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 15: be turned off to the Gospel if you manifest the power,

1067
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 15: they're revealing their need, their desire to be esteemed by

1068
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 15: the world, to be accepted as an intellectual, to be

1069
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 15: accepted as one of them, or to.

1070
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: Be worried more about what people think than what God thinks. Right.

1071
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 6: I was going to say, what about the demonstration of

1072
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 6: the power of the Holy Spirit in a more public way,

1073
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 6: not just from church, but on social media, because it's

1074
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 6: been a huge debate of is that okay or is

1075
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 6: it not?

1076
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 9: Of I think so.

1077
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 15: I don't think the Holy Spirit would have poured out

1078
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 15: publicly that which was meant to be used privately. And

1079
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 15: so you see the demonstrations the power that's demonstration, miracle,

1080
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 15: signs and wonders are a display. And so if you

1081
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 15: look at the various different things that are happening in

1082
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 15: our world. And I want to be careful about the

1083
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 15: way I say this, because I'm not saying that because

1084
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 15: the world is weird, we should be weird. I'm saying

1085
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 15: that the idea that that weirdness alone is what turns

1086
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 15: people off.

1087
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 9: I say, look what's happening in the world. Look at

1088
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 9: all of the crazy things that.

1089
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 15: You mean to tell me They're not going to turn

1090
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 15: to Jesus because somebody is trembling under the power of God, or.

1091
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: Because somebody gives out a message in tongues and there's

1092
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: an interpretation. I remember one time as incredible story where

1093
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: that was kind of the thinking, and the pastor was

1094
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: very concerned because this one lady, you know, God used her,

1095
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, prophetically with the gift of tongues where a

1096
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: message would be from God through her to the congregation.

1097
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: And there were some visitors, and he's hoping, Oh, I

1098
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: hope sister so and so doesn't.

1099
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: Do that like this service. But she did.

1100
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: And it turned out that the language that she spoke

1101
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Speaker 1: would be one that one of the visitors understood, and

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Speaker 1: God directly spoke to them through what she said.

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Speaker 2: And so what we think.

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Speaker 1: Is like an embarrassed matter we don't want to I

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Speaker 1: mean I grew up hearing and being a part of that,

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Speaker 1: whereas you have not been as exposed to it as

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Speaker 1: much as I would like, because there's that fear of, oh,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to do anything weird. It's going to

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Speaker 1: offend you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: I do have to say, you did drag me down

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Speaker 6: to one or two Rodney Harbor. So I am.

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Speaker 15: Think about it this way. Every part of our being

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Speaker 15: was designed to respond to God. Yes, your spirit was

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Speaker 15: designed to respond to him. Your emotions designed to respond

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Speaker 15: to him. And even you look throughout scripture, I mean,

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Speaker 15: for example, like the concept of being slain in the spirit,

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Speaker 15: you're not going to find chapter in verse an exact

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Speaker 15: instance of someone ling hands and then falling over. But

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Speaker 15: that's not necessarily why we should reject it, because.

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Speaker 9: It's still biblical in principle.

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Speaker 15: There's a lot of things that we accept a biblical

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Speaker 15: principles that we can't find specific instances for, and it

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Speaker 15: would be disingenuous to say otherwise. But when it comes

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Speaker 15: to the power of God, it's quite simple. We believe

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Speaker 15: a that God manifest his power.

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Speaker 9: Yes, we believe b that.

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Speaker 15: Has manifested power sometimes causes a temporary physical reaction. And

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Speaker 15: see that sometimes when we lay hands, that that power

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Speaker 15: can move through hands.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and there.

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Speaker 15: You have collectively tie those threads together, and biblically you

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Speaker 15: have a sound doctrine for manifestations of His power that

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Speaker 15: affect us physically.

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Speaker 4: I know when I since the presence of God in

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Speaker 4: a deep way, I begin to feel like a quivering

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Speaker 4: in my stomach. And this happened, has happened several.

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Speaker 8: Times, and I can't explain it.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel sick.

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Speaker 4: It's just a feeling, and God always speaks to me

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Speaker 4: at that point. And it can be times that I've

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Speaker 4: felt very weak and that will happen and I will

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Speaker 4: just be in tears, and I think it's just maybe

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Speaker 4: that a nudge of the spirit is saying I'm there,

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Speaker 4: I'm here to help, or I want you to listen.

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Speaker 1: And people, you know, it's expressed different way because we

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Speaker 1: all have different makeups.

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Speaker 2: I know you grew up seeing a lot.

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Speaker 14: Of that I did in the flesh, you know, And

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Speaker 14: that's kind of what I wanted to ask you, was

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Speaker 14: if you were like me and you grew up where

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Speaker 14: you saw people really abuse it and really made it

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Speaker 14: more about them and more of a spectacle. And I

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Speaker 14: feel like that's where people really have to practice their

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Speaker 14: discernment on is this a person making this a scene

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Speaker 14: here or is this really something that is happening and

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Speaker 14: manifesting and manifesting or something like that. But there was

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Speaker 14: a moment where I was seeking it myself. I was

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Speaker 14: really confused. I was about sixteen years old, and I

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Speaker 14: know what I was seeing happen. And then I went

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Speaker 14: away and I went upstairs with these chapel all by

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Speaker 14: myself and I just started crying before him, and I said, Lord,

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Speaker 14: I just need to know, like some of this stuff

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Speaker 14: is weird, but like, what do you want for me?

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Speaker 14: And if this is what you're calling me to, I surrender.

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Speaker 14: And I'll never f because I went from being nervous

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Speaker 14: and anxious and frustrated and pained to some of the

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Speaker 14: stuff because some of the people that were making a

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Speaker 14: scene were actually saying terrible things about me and my family,

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Speaker 14: and so I was praying and crying to him, and

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Speaker 14: in that moment, all of a sudden, this overwhelming peace

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Speaker 14: came and there was comfort like.

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Speaker 2: I have never experienced in my life.

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Speaker 14: And that's where I get. I sit back and I say,

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Speaker 14: people can get away from the people's side of it

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Speaker 14: and get along with him. They will feel his presence

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Speaker 14: and it's not scary.

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Speaker 2: It's comforting and it's.

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Speaker 14: Peaceful, and it's love like you could never ever experience

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Speaker 14: or find well.

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Speaker 1: And you address that in that and I think this

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Speaker 1: will answer your question.

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Speaker 2: In your book, you talk about the fact that.

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Speaker 1: People who are maybe operating in the flesh, that there's

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Speaker 1: a big difference. And then by way the spirit, I

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Speaker 1: think with Kindre because she saw so much on the

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Speaker 1: other side, she'll have to be careful not to swing

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Speaker 1: too much back over to this side, to kind of

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Speaker 1: stay in the middle, if you will.

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Speaker 15: And I a would say this in principle, we can

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Speaker 15: have an objective grounding for how we approach these things,

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Speaker 15: because I can't say or if they shake this fast,

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Speaker 15: that's not the Holy Spirit. But if they shake just

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Speaker 15: this at this speed, or if they shout this luck

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Speaker 15: so it's impossible to do it by those metrics alone.

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Speaker 15: So you need a grounding principle. So what I like

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Speaker 15: to say is, well, two things. One, you seek Jesus,

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Speaker 15: not the manifestations. And if in seeking Jesus the manifestations come,

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Speaker 15: welcome them. The second thing is recognizing that there's mixture.

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Speaker 15: There could be perfect power flowing through imperfect people.

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Speaker 9: For maybe it is his.

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Speaker 15: Power, but then they're adding a little bit to that

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Speaker 15: in the flesh, and that's where you have mixture, and

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Speaker 15: where you have mixture, you have confusion, which is what

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Speaker 15: resulted with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the other thing you talk about is that

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Speaker 1: like for people who are actively living in sin and

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Speaker 1: then operating that way, if they don't have the fruit,

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Speaker 1: that's what I want that's one of the things you

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Speaker 1: have to look for.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So people who like, like you said, they if they

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Speaker 1: if they're allowed over here, they're nothing but a clanging

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Speaker 1: symbol to the era of God.

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but the Bible talks about how like the gifts

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Speaker 6: and callings of God are without repentance. So even if

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Speaker 6: someone isn't living the best life doesn't mean that God

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Speaker 6: still can't use them.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: You look at Matthew chapter seven. I mean, they were

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Speaker 15: rejected even though they were casting out devils and prophesying.

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Speaker 9: He never denies that they moved in power. He denies

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Speaker 9: that they knew by the way on that.

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Speaker 15: Notice the religious thinking. They didn't say, but Lord, Lord,

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Speaker 15: we accepted your son. They said, Lord, look at my works.

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Speaker 15: They were relying upon works on your face.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you look at what happened to the seven

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Speaker 1: Sons of Siva. They were like, in the name of

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Speaker 1: whom Paul preached, And the demon said, well, we know Jesus,

1230
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Speaker 1: we pray the name of Jesus whom Paul preach. And

1231
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Speaker 1: they were like, we know Jesus and we know Paul, but.

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Speaker 2: Who are you.

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Speaker 15: So that's why it can be so confused. Yeah, but

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Speaker 15: here's the reality. God's power backs his word. So this

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Speaker 15: power even when a hypocrite preaches, but only his presence

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Speaker 15: backs his people.

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Speaker 9: And that's where the fruit.

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Speaker 2: Is and the whole purpose.

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Speaker 7: Jesus said of the Holy Spirit when he said I

1240
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 7: must go away, that I can send you the comfort

1241
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 7: I can send the Holy Spirit, it was that we

1242
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Speaker 7: would be endued with power come.

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Speaker 2: On high to be a witness. However that matter.

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Speaker 15: Remember what he said about greater works. He said, he

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Speaker 15: says greater works are available. Why because I go to

1246
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Speaker 15: my father. Well what happened when he went to his

1247
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Speaker 15: father was the Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Well, And one of the first miracles Peter did after

1250
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: the Upper Room was raised somebody from the dead. Well,

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Speaker 1: we are out of time, won't you remember that? The

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00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: moment that you say yes to Jesus and you invite

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Speaker 1: him into your heart. I mean, he's just that simple.

1254
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Speaker 1: You say, Jesus, forgive me, come into my heart. That's

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Speaker 1: what my grandpa did and broke the generational cycle over

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Speaker 1: our family. And he didn't know how to pray, just said, God,

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Speaker 1: if you're there, I need you.

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Speaker 2: That was his prayer.

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Speaker 1: He didn't go to church, he didn't know he cussed

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Speaker 1: every other word worked in a factory. I mean, but

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Speaker 1: Grandpa is gloriously saved, and that's all you have to

1262
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: do where you are right now. Just call him the

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Speaker 1: name of Jesus and say, Jesus, I want you to

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Speaker 1: forgive me.

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Speaker 2: And along with.

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Speaker 1: That, the Holy Spirit makes his home inside of you.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, so we're talking about okay, so

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Speaker 1: he's there. You've invited Jesus in the Holy spirits with you.

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Speaker 1: This is his time on the earth. He's drawing men

1270
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Speaker 1: to Jesus, just like he drew you to stop and

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Speaker 1: listen right now.

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Speaker 2: Don't turn that channel. Not through with you.

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Speaker 1: So, more than anything, you have to understand that he

1274
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: longs to have a relationship with you. And so if

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Speaker 1: you're watching today and you need prayer, if you prayed

1276
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: that prayer, if you want the Holy Spirit to have

1277
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Speaker 1: more of you, and if you want to receive your

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Speaker 1: prayer language you don't understand, call that number on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Our prayer partners are standing by ready to pray with you.

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Speaker 1: I do want to thank David Hernandez for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Will you come back and talk more about this.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, it was a joy to be with you.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, be sure to pick up a copy

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Speaker 1: of his book, Holy Spirit, God Within You and for

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Speaker 1: more you can visit him online at Encounterthspirit dot com.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you can also listen to the Joni Table

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Speaker 1: to thank you so much for watching. And I just

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Speaker 1: want you to continue to just experience God's love and

1295
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Speaker 1: his power in your life. And this person of the

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Speaker 1: Holy Spirit that wants to talk to you have an

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Speaker 1: intimate relationship with you, to leave you and guide you

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Speaker 1: into truth every day of your life. That's what he wants,

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Speaker 1: a personal personal relationship with you, and you can have

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Speaker 1: that again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, ladies. Was as good? Yes, Yeah, I enjoy this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, We're going to just pick his brain next time.

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Speaker 1: Even more, We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye for today.