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Speaker 1: O Yo Yo.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to What's Up their podcast.

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Speaker 3: I am your active and attractive hosts for another episode

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Speaker 3: of the fastest growing podcasts on the market.

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 3: You know, the vibration is how on this side, I

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Speaker 3: talked to everybody in the culture that has a voice.

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Speaker 3: I'm instrumental in understanding the ingredients. Right So what I'm

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Speaker 3: doing right now today is I pulled up on somebody

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Speaker 3: that has built theirselves a wild old machine.

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Speaker 1: Adam twenty two. What's going on with my brother?

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Speaker 3: A Hey living my guy chilling man, just chilling brother.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me in the compound. It's a

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Speaker 3: beautiful spot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate it. We've only been in here maybe

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Speaker 4: like two three months. At this point, we were in

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Speaker 4: like a much much smaller space and just kind of

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Speaker 4: had to make the decision to go all in and

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Speaker 4: buy this shit. So that was probably the biggest purchase

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Speaker 4: I ever made in my life. And it seems like

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Speaker 4: it's paying off. You know, we're like a lot more

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Speaker 4: productive in here, a lot more room for all the

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Speaker 4: employees to be able of work, be able to record,

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Speaker 4: you know, three or four pieces of content at the

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Speaker 4: same time. So it's definitely helping us get going to

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Speaker 4: the next level. Right, how small was the spot before here?

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Speaker 4: In comparison spot before it was probably about like this wall.

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Speaker 1: To that wall.

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Speaker 4: Seriously, I mean maybe a little bigger, but it wasn't

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Speaker 4: like it was much small as like two smallst runs.

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Speaker 1: But we've had five spots over the year.

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Speaker 4: Start in the back of a bike shop, then we

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Speaker 4: moved to the back of a slightly bigger bike shop.

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Speaker 4: Then we got a separate splate a space on Santa

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Speaker 4: Monica Boulevard, and then we got like another spot in

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Speaker 4: the valley, and then this is our new one that.

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Speaker 1: We realistically probably would be at for like at least.

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Speaker 4: You know, four or five years or something like that, Right,

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Speaker 4: I mean it's a large investment.

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Speaker 1: Is it hard running this around here?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Hard? I mean kind of.

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Speaker 4: I have a lot of people on the team at

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Speaker 4: this point, you know, which I really think is like

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Speaker 4: pretty much the most important thing if you're going to

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Speaker 4: try to build something that's bigger than just a that's

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Speaker 4: bigger than just you making content, is that you got

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Speaker 4: to start building your team. Like literally the first thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars you start making a month from your content, you

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Speaker 4: should be thinking how can I spend how can I

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Speaker 4: spend that thousand dollars to make my job easier and

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Speaker 4: make my time better spent?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, right, because time is so important,

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Speaker 3: especially dealing with this. You need time to research, you

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Speaker 3: need time to develop skill and style, right, because interviewing

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Speaker 3: just saying and that's one thing about you.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: And of course I know the coaches here, they said, loom,

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Speaker 3: I want you to talk to him about a number

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Speaker 3: of things that we're gonna talk about all of those things.

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Speaker 2: But you're a guy who when I see you interview,

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Speaker 2: I can appreciate the style.

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Speaker 1: Right. It's not some people don't understand it. Right.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the drill shit later.

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Speaker 3: But I'm saying, just far as pure de interview style,

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Speaker 3: I say, this dude knows what he's doing, right, you paus.

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Speaker 2: You just your style? How did you develop that?

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Speaker 4: I honestly think that it's just from experience of watching

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Speaker 4: shitloads of other podcasts and also just being like a

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Speaker 4: really relentless critic in the sense that you know, that's

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Speaker 4: pretty much how I've been my whole life. I'll be

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Speaker 4: listening to a rapper and they could be one of

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Speaker 4: the greatest rappers all the time, and I'll still be

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Speaker 4: thinking this song sucks. You know, I don't like how

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Speaker 4: they said this bar right here. I don't like you know,

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Speaker 4: I hate this introt. I hate the fact that this

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Speaker 4: album's too long, you know. Like I've always been that

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Speaker 4: person where I just like have always just been like

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Speaker 4: a relentless critic of myself and others, And still to

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Speaker 4: this day, I'll be listening to a Joe Rogan podcast

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Speaker 4: and I'll find myself thinking this sucks, you know, like

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Speaker 4: like a random part of it, and I might think

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Speaker 4: the whole thing is dope, but I'll be like this

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Speaker 4: ten to fifteen minutes right here, I don't like this.

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Speaker 4: He should have done this, he should have done that.

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Speaker 4: Now do I have any business telling one of the

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Speaker 4: most successful podcasts of all time how to do their job?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: Not really, But I do that same shit to myself,

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Speaker 4: where before I sit down with somebody, the question is

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Speaker 4: not like, what can we talk about? Because realistically, me

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Speaker 4: and you could have a good conversation about all our

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Speaker 4: favorite fast foods bugs exactly, But who the fuck are

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Speaker 4: we specialized in talking about that? No or not, It's

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Speaker 4: just like it would be okay, and somebody he was

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Speaker 4: a diehard fan of you or a diehard fan of me.

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Speaker 1: Might fuck with it.

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Speaker 4: But realistically, it's like the most I try to get

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Speaker 4: to the root of what is the most important thing,

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Speaker 4: what's the most interesting thing, And sometimes people would be

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Speaker 4: shocked because I'll leave out something that's like kind of

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Speaker 4: a big deal about an artist. But it's like, bro,

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Speaker 4: if I don't think it's interesting, or if I think

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Speaker 4: that the video that Vlad already did talking about it

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Speaker 4: is already like I'm not going to do a better

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Speaker 4: job talking about it or whatever, you know, it's like

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Speaker 4: to me, it's like, let's keep it interesting. And that's

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Speaker 4: like that OJ one that we were just talking about

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Speaker 4: the Juice Man, It's like I felt like, I really

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Speaker 4: I've seen him do a bunch of interviews, but I

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Speaker 4: felt like I hit on a bunch of different things

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Speaker 4: that he got very passionate about that really kind of

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Speaker 4: gave that interview like a different feel. And I see

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Speaker 4: it in the comments, and I see the comments being like, ah, man,

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Speaker 4: like I ain't watched a good No Jumper interview in

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Speaker 4: a month two months, but this is this is the one.

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Speaker 4: This is one of the best, you know, Like, I'm

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Speaker 4: so addicted to that feeling of just wanting people to

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Speaker 4: have a great experience watching my shit that I want

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Speaker 4: to live up to that. So that's why I can't

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Speaker 4: help but read the comments and read the chat and

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Speaker 4: just take it in me too.

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Speaker 3: Man, And I think it's so important. You know, we

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Speaker 3: may be unique in that, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 3: people shy away from the comments, shy away from the critique.

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Speaker 3: For me, I understand that that's the only way we

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Speaker 3: And with that old Jay to Juice Man interview, it

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Speaker 3: was interesting because what I also think lends itself to

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Speaker 3: and it was clear that he had a certain level

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Speaker 3: of respect for what it is that you've done, and

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Speaker 3: so that always shines bright in the interview as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because like I felt like, the best of

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Speaker 4: Are the ones where you really love the person, you're

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Speaker 4: such a big fan, you have so much respect fro him,

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Speaker 4: because they just it becomes hard to give a bad

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Speaker 4: interview when you know that the person who's interviewing you

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Speaker 4: really just fucks with you. And with the OJ thing

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Speaker 4: I just started out. I was like, listen, here's a

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Speaker 4: little story about a time in two thousand and nine

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Speaker 4: when I saw you perform at the very getting of

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Speaker 4: your career. Let me tell you about this random video

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Speaker 4: or remember from back in the day, YadA. Just keep

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Speaker 4: hitting him over the head with this shit. That shows

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Speaker 4: sit down and get asked some bullshit ask question, it's

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Speaker 4: easy for them to start treating the interview like a

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Speaker 4: But respect will get you so far. Because I've seen

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Speaker 4: I've seen Snoop Dogg or actually this is just an

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Speaker 4: example because I can't remember if it's a real thing

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Speaker 4: or not. But like somebody like Snoop Dogg will sit

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Speaker 4: down and do an interview with Larry King, right, Larry

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Speaker 4: King's like ancient fucking seeing an interview, or just for

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Speaker 4: anybody who doesn't know, but like Larry King will say

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Speaker 4: some shit that I can never say. He'll say, what's

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Speaker 4: it like being a crip? Just straight out I can't say,

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Speaker 4: that's a tardy question coming from me because I'm just

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Speaker 4: too I know too much. But because jay Z has

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Speaker 4: a lot of respect for Larry King or Snoop Dogg

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Speaker 4: has a lot of respect for Larry King, He'll sit

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Speaker 4: there and he'll get er. He'll give you a real

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Speaker 4: fucking answer. He'll try to explain it to your old ass,

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Speaker 4: knowing that you're eighty years old or whatever.

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Speaker 3: It's just the dynamics a complete different too. Like you said,

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Speaker 3: just that you you really don't know like I can.

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Speaker 3: I can assume that anyway, even if you do know,

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Speaker 3: but if you're eighty, I can assume you may be

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Speaker 3: disconnected from that. But if you ask it, it's more

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Speaker 3: so like what you're trying to get to with that.

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Speaker 4: I saw Snoop Dogg doing an interview with Joe Rogan,

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Speaker 4: and Joe Rogan said, so, is the East Coast West

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Speaker 4: Coast beef still a thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Just flat out one line.

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Speaker 4: I was laughing because, like, to me, that's a crazy

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Speaker 4: thing to say. You're talking about some murders that happened

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Speaker 4: like literally like almost thirty years ago, long time that Yes,

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Speaker 4: they rocked hip hop, but no, there's no East coast

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Speaker 1: No, that's not yes, over.

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Speaker 4: But but Snoop Dogg's out there and gave him a

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Speaker 3: Right, And That's what I'm saying, and that shines bright

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Speaker 3: and I have that in the culture right that everybody's

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Speaker 3: reaching out to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I've not reached out to nobody, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It's been like people are saying, man, the way you talk,

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Speaker 3: what you talk about, we fucked with that. And I

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Speaker 3: think when you have that culture equity that puts you

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Speaker 3: that culture equity, but you've been faced with criticism as well.

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Speaker 3: People tend to call you a cloud chaser. What's your

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Speaker 3: definition of a cloud chase?

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Speaker 1: Ah, well, we're all cloud Chaser's spoiler alert.

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Speaker 4: For everybody out there is that if you're making online content,

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Speaker 4: I mean, even the best content creators, when you look

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Speaker 4: at somebody like like, I have huge amounts of respect

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Speaker 4: for Drink Champs, But are they clout chasing when they

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Speaker 4: have Kanye on knowing that he's kind of in this

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Speaker 4: crazy part of his life or that he's likely to

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Speaker 4: say something crazy on camera. I mean you could kind

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Speaker 4: of frame that in a way and say, well, look,

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Speaker 4: nor he was just running after the views, running after

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Speaker 4: the money, running after the whatever. And I mean there's

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Speaker 4: a little bit of truth to that, you know, in

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Speaker 4: the same way that you know if somebody's popping off

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Speaker 4: going super viral and I managed to get an interview

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Speaker 4: with him but at the right time.

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Speaker 1: Sure. But then also I interview.

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Speaker 4: People who are nobody's and sometimes they will get hundreds

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Speaker 3: But we asked each other because I seen, let's talk

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Speaker 4: that's clearly not like what this is based on. This

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Speaker 4: I'll say, you know, why are you smoking on O

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Speaker 3: What I think though, And because with me, I don't

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: When I sit down with dudes, it ain't about what

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: But that's the thing, is that from my perspective that's

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Speaker 4: a good interview is the one where you're direct.

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Speaker 2: Direct dancing around no, no, no is.

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Speaker 3: We're saying, let's figure it out directly where we're going.

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Speaker 3: So I'm asking directly to the messy shit could be considered.

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Speaker 4: But the thing about Little Dirk is that little Dirk

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Speaker 4: So I'm taking something that has been discussing the music

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Speaker 3: If I just start hitting myself right now, you're probably right.

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Speaker 4: That moment where you decide, I'm going to fucking ask

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Speaker 2: And you're pretty good at this, thank you. But I'm

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Speaker 1: I've had plenty of time to think about it, right,

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Speaker 3: And so when you're doing this thing that I find interesting,

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Speaker 3: it's a great technique, right, You're pending what you're doing

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Speaker 3: let's deal with that separately from the actions that's being took.

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Speaker 3: So when we talk about the idea that you're going

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Speaker 1: But what is dangerous?

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Speaker 2: It's dangerous messy, or it's dangerous breaking the cold of

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Speaker 1: How do we get to the hondy million?

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Speaker 3: That's what's dangerous. Yeah, no, not your cold.

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Speaker 2: But I'm saying when we deal with each other though,

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Speaker 1: Right? You might got a little information, I don't got it.

440
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Speaker 2: I might got some you don't got We're trying to

441
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,400
Speaker 2: get to the hondyd mellion five hundred million.

442
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,080
Speaker 1: On the other side.

443
00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,960
Speaker 3: That's what's dangerous to me, right, that's dangerous unlocking that

444
00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,560
Speaker 3: wealth on the other side.

445
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:40,960
Speaker 2: Of the content.

446
00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,400
Speaker 3: When we deal with the mess, that's dangerous to who

447
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,960
Speaker 3: to people that don't got to deal with it. Because

448
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,360
Speaker 3: whatever happened after that, Adam go home. If a nigga say,

449
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,439
Speaker 3: he said on the interview, I'm pressing the button, Adam

450
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,479
Speaker 3: go do three more interviews tomorrow. So again, when you

451
00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,640
Speaker 3: don't got to eat the cooking, when you don't got

452
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,080
Speaker 3: to eat the food that being cooked, it's important to

453
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,879
Speaker 3: understand that, you see what I'm saying, so you know

454
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,120
Speaker 3: when we deal with it. I'm just wondering why it's

455
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,960
Speaker 3: dangerous that instead of Vlad with his big platform, you

456
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,120
Speaker 3: with your huge, amazing platform, coming together figuring out how

457
00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,080
Speaker 3: to do something get a hondred meeting from Spotify, or

458
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,880
Speaker 3: why isn't that dangerous?

459
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,879
Speaker 4: Why is it that we don't want money from Spotify?

460
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,040
Speaker 4: We got we got our own businesses, right. And I'm

461
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,400
Speaker 4: not saying I'm not saying in that way, right, I'm.

462
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,080
Speaker 3: Just saying, that's that's interesting too, don't you say, But

463
00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,920
Speaker 3: don't discreate, hold on, don't discredit what my point could

464
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,400
Speaker 3: pin me to the Spotify thing. These are examples of

465
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,199
Speaker 3: me having access or trying to get information from the

466
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 3: people who have the biggest market ship.

467
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:44,719
Speaker 1: Right.

468
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 4: But that's my thing is that I think as a

469
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,160
Speaker 4: media person, as a journalist, et cetera, that yes.

470
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 1: You do need to be kind of buzzing.

471
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,119
Speaker 4: You got to be kind of tactical about how you

472
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,679
Speaker 4: approach conversation. And from my perspective, from Vlad's perspective, I mean,

473
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 4: we are extremely tactical about how we approach that kind

474
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,880
Speaker 4: of things. I do interviews all the time where there's

475
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 4: some big viral thing that I could easily ask somebody,

476
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 4: and I just don't do it because I think it

477
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 4: would be a bad taste. For instance, like I brought

478
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 4: this up to somebody the other day, but like the

479
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 4: other day, I was interviewing Boss Top Bosstop was King

480
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 4: Vaughn's right hand man. A week before that, Kwando Rondo's

481
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 4: homie had got killed in West Hollywood and everybody who

482
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 4: knows anything about O Blog versus four K Trey, It's like, Okay,

483
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 4: Kwando Rondo's boy getting killed right in front of him

484
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 4: in Hollywood is like, if you're Kwando Rondo's sworn enemy,

485
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,719
Speaker 4: then you're looking at that and you're probably what feeling right,

486
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 4: whatever you're gonna feel about it.

487
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 1: Now.

488
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 4: I didn't bring that up to him because I felt

489
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 4: like that was kind of crossing the line because that

490
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 4: question would have been straight up inviting him and shit

491
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 4: on a dead man, and that felt weird. Now, if

492
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,119
Speaker 4: he when that guy had died, if he had hopped

493
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 4: on his Instagram story and said, hey fuck budd YadA, YadA, YadA,

494
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 4: I don't fuck with him, he had it coming right around,

495
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 4: then I feel like that's appropriate for me to ask

496
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 4: him that question, because you already put that sentiment out

497
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 4: there into the world. But for me to do an

498
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 4: interview and just put the pieces together and say, hey,

499
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 4: here's this, here's this open invitation to shit on this

500
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 4: dude who I don't know, who just got killed whatever,

501
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 4: then that that felt like it was crossing the line. Now,

502
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 4: I'll give you another example. As I've had conversations with

503
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 4: Lad where he's called the local police department beforehand to

504
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 4: make sure that the case was closed before he did

505
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 4: an interview with a rapper, specifically the baby. Because this

506
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 4: is before the baby had done any interviews, Bladd called

507
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 4: the police department to just make sure that this whole

508
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 4: murder thing that happened in the walmart, this is a

509
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 4: closed case, right, this is not something that's open active.

510
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 4: That was very impressive to me because that's not something

511
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 4: I would have thought to do. I would have thought

512
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 4: to myself, well, he's a grown ass man, so he

513
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 4: if it's a closed case or it's not, he knows

514
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 4: and he can make the decision, right. But I thought

515
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 4: it was impressive that Vlad went the extra mile to

516
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 4: make one hundred percent sure that he wasn't getting somebody

517
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 4: to confess to something on camera that could then be

518
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 4: used against him.

519
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 3: I think, I agree that that is a monumental move, right,

520
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 3: And I also think that it's warranted from blood. The

521
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 3: reason I say that is because he's been on the

522
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 3: whole bunch of scrutiny. He's been viewed and mentioned to

523
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: be responsible for certain things, right, and so I think

524
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 3: that he wears that even if he tries to.

525
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: Ignore it and act like it don't mean nothing.

526
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 3: I think he understands that people try to paint him

527
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 3: a certain way, whether or not that's the case of it.

528
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 4: See, this is the thing, and like, I don't know

529
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 4: how long you've been doing media, would you say, like

530
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 4: interviews and just maybe two years?

531
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: Right to me?

532
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 4: The deeper that I get into this, and like the

533
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 4: longer I spend watching the hip hop information online realm develop,

534
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 4: the more I'm like, damn, Glad knew what the fuck

535
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 4: was going to happen in like ten, twenty eleven whatever,

536
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 4: because he got so much shit for what like titling

537
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 4: clips about exactly what it was for dropping shit as

538
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 4: clips instead of just dropping the whole interview. Like people

539
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 4: forget that back in like twenty fifteen, the breakfast club

540
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 4: will get a jay Z interview and title it jay

541
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 4: Z interview right then and now, if they get a

542
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 4: jay Z interview, is.

543
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: Glad is glad is added to this to this algorithm.

544
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 4: He saw what was happening, and he had like many

545
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 4: many observations about how the shit was gonna play out,

546
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 4: and he actually had the balls to fucking do it,

547
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 4: even though he was getting so much hate for it,

548
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 4: and all those things that he did that he got

549
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 4: so much shit for are all normal now, and all

550
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 4: these people who are like, you know, somebody like Nori

551
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 4: who's like a super respected hip hop participant. He's like

552
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 4: a legendary guy. I mean, he does all the same

553
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 4: things where there's clips on his channel that have titles

554
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 4: that are exactly like Viade clips. So it's like, I

555
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 4: feel like, you know, there's just a real thirst for

556
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 4: information from the fans out there. And that's why, like

557
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 4: we were saying earlier that you could sit and do

558
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 4: an interview with me where you were talking to me

559
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 4: about how I made millions of dollars and how I

560
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 4: got this building and YadA YadA, And it's like, I

561
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 4: just imagine that interview, and I imagine what the title

562
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 4: would be, and I feel like that's just not going

563
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 4: to be as interesting to people because I've kind of

564
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 4: already talked about a lot of that stuff and my

565
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 4: story is not that different from like five billion other

566
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 4: fucking people who.

567
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: Disagree with that.

568
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 4: But but okay, But then on the other hand, when

569
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 4: people like vladd just did an interview with me and

570
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 4: he asked me about Aaron Carter just died three days

571
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 4: after you did an interview, and let's talk about it.

572
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: He talked to me about the Joe Budden shit.

573
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 4: He talks like he's talking to me about a lot

574
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 4: of mixy ass shit, but it's shit that's like recent,

575
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 4: it's current. It really shows that he's tuned into what

576
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 4: people are gonna want to hear me talk about, whereas

577
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 4: I have done a lot of interviews where I talk

578
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 4: about business and everything and people like that shit. But

579
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 4: also that's kind of like its own thing, like your

580
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 4: come up story is its own thing versus.

581
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: Right, right, yeah, yeah, you know all the messages, it

582
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 1: is kind of like another You're.

583
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: Dealing with a scientist. I'm a scientist, so I do this.

584
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: I go in in out these pockets. That's why I

585
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 3: got so many. It's so much going on around me,

586
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 3: you know. So me when I said, my people already know,

587
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 3: Adam must don't know long, right, because my ability to

588
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: do this is not the same as and I get it,

589
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: I understand right. A lot of the information shit is

590
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: whack for lack of a better term, right, And a

591
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 3: lot of the content pieces where we get into the

592
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 3: Aaron Carter deaf and you being the last person to

593
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 3: sit in front of them, and things like that are

594
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 3: much more interesting.

595
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: But there's a balance, and I respect the balance.

596
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 4: And that's one thing I don't think I get credit

597
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 4: for is that, Like you watch that j just Man interview. Yes,

598
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 4: there are a couple of moments in it where I'm

599
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 4: asking them about some viral shit whatever. But for the

600
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 4: most part, I think, I honestly feel that I do

601
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 4: the most in depth like spiritual ass and I'm not

602
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 4: a spiritual person, but type interviews like I talk to

603
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 4: people who are from all different walks of life and

604
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 4: hip hop and allow them to vib the fuck out

605
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 4: and talk about whatever.

606
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: And I feel like my interviews in.

607
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 4: A lot of ways feel like the least clout thirsty

608
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 4: interviews that I fucking see, just because I interview people

609
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 4: all the time and feel like I get a completely

610
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 4: different version of them than the way that they act

611
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 4: on other platform. I saw that with OJ. I think

612
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: about somebody like Kamaya. I watched a couple of Kamaia

613
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 4: interviews before I interviewed her. She came in and she

614
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 4: was just fucking with me, just like talking about whatever,

615
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 4: just being so cool, Like I was blown away by it,

616
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 4: and that is really what I'm after. Like the clickba

617
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 4: shit is cool because I want to do stuff that

618
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: people want to hear about. But then at the same time,

619
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 4: like for me to sit in front of somebody and

620
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 4: have a really great conversation for a couple hours is

621
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 4: really what I'm after. And I don't necessarily get the

622
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 4: credit for the fact.

623
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: That I just gave you your credit and let me

624
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: get you to understand this my place in the culture.

625
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 4: Bro.

626
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: They gonna expect me to be extremely rough with you, right,

627
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: but they don't understand if they don't know me, that

628
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: it's information based. We come here to give some information

629
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: to each other, right, and share some game whatever's happening

630
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: in the world.

631
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: Just speak on our perspectives. That's what we come to do.

632
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: Now.

633
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: What I grab from what you're saying again in interest

634
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: of finding the truth and understanding that I respect your

635
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: interview style. I just spoke to how I understand, Bro,

636
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: you can do this without that.

637
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: I just said it and you just said it.

638
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 3: So what I grab from these times when you sit

639
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: in front of guy who as friends with King Vaughan

640
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 3: and you don't go into that room. What I get

641
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: from that is, he can't do that and still be effective.

642
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: So I don't understand why you don't pull from that

643
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: that Yo, I don't have to live in their pocket

644
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: to even have their tag on my shirt.

645
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: I do it all.

646
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: But also I want to say this is that to me,

647
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 4: I try. I'm like everything about what I'm building on,

648
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to stay normal.

649
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 4: I'm trying to stay a regular ass person. This is

650
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 4: insanely important to me because I see so many people

651
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 4: get successful and turn into weirdos, and that is like,

652
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: if anything, I'm trying to do everything I can keep

653
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 4: driving a normal car, dress, normal act, you know, etc.

654
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: Like I want to be a regular guy. And from

655
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 4: my perspective on what regularly is. But when you're a

656
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 4: regular guy and you go to get your haircut, what.

657
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: Are you talking about? You're talking about who got shot,

658
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: who got ran off the block, who got beat up?

659
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,239
Speaker 4: From my perspective is that when we sit down, when

660
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 4: I'm in the group chat with the homies, what are

661
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 4: we talking about?

662
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: We're talking about who got beat up? Who got like?

663
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: Who who's going to get a crazy break up? Their

664
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 4: girl was talking shit about them on her story, et cetera.

665
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 4: So to me, that is kind of like human nature

666
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways is to definitely at least

667
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 4: get clarity. And that's my old thing is we're gonna

668
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 4: do a two hour interview. We could talk for an

669
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 4: hour about what it is to live a good life,

670
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 4: how great it is to raise your kids, how great

671
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 4: it is to have a business, to not you know,

672
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: all this good, healthy, hearty shit that people love. People

673
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: do love to hear that. But then also it's like, hey,

674
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 4: your girlfriends said that you beat her up on her

675
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: Instagram story, homie, we got to talk about this, you know.

676
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 4: But also it's like we don't have to. I ask

677
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: people sometimes or they'll tell me like, hey, I don't

678
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 4: want to talk about this thing.

679
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: I look at.

680
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: I get this entire game, Bro, And when I study roguing,

681
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: they don't.

682
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: This is Bro's conversations. Like for me, it's just conversations.

683
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: It ain't even all of that.

684
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: It ain't even niggas don't have to do ways, just conversations. Son, Listen,

685
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: I come from where see in your barber shop, that's

686
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: what they running in my barber shop. When I come

687
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: in my barber shop, go to talking about money we

688
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: talking about. Listen, I put it. Anybody watching this, ain't

689
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: nobody dispute me. There ain't no ten on me no

690
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 3: where in the world. You understand. I put this on

691
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: everything I love. When I come around, they talk about information.

692
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: Little dude wants some more money. It's clear everywhere I go.

693
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: So when I come in the barber shop, is, man,

694
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: what have you found out about what they did with

695
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: black effect over there?

696
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: What NOI making? What is reup gonna be?

697
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: Like?

698
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: Have you paid attention to atom?

699
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: He done dropped six interviews they all got five hundred

700
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: thousand a month.

701
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: You know.

702
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: That's my conversation.

703
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: And so I'm trying to right And so it's interesting

704
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: that it's big boy interest in that. And I have

705
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: to let you know that because your platform is so big,

706
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: and I find it interesting that you only can see

707
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: that the content is living in a great place when

708
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: you deal with things that you know, what kind of

709
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: edgy you know instead of the information.

710
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 4: But this is my thing too, is that you know

711
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: somebody uh pgf Nook is somebody who I love the

712
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 4: album be put out and everything, but he also likes

713
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: he's baiting me to ask those kind of questions because

714
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: he'll go on the record and say GdK and so

715
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, I know what that means.

716
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: And sound it on that record.

717
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 4: I want to know, like you really you feel like

718
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 4: that you would, you would pop off on anybody you see, Like,

719
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 4: who's like that? Like that to me is interesting. Now

720
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 4: if you want to sit there and say nah, I

721
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 4: don't I don't remember saying that. I would never say

722
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: anything like that. I'm gonna let you get away with you.

723
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 4: You pull the wall over, I just fine.

724
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm not going to press the issue crazy. But it's

725
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: like if you put it in a song, I get it.

726
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: It's like yeah, And I have to respect the fact

727
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: that there's something there right. I haven't identified how to

728
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: move with it, but there's something that when when they

729
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: are seeing these things on these records and then these

730
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: instagram posted, then you sit in front of me and

731
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: I'm dealing with an audience. You understand, So there's something there, right,

732
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: And I a lloyderty and respect for my audience. I

733
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: need them to understand that I do ask you the

734
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: things that need to be as.

735
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: So you know, I love you know what other comments.

736
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: I love reading.

737
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: I love when I get a comments that I like,

738
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: how the fuck is this thirty eight year old white

739
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: boy know what the fuck is going on?

740
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: You know? I love those comments of people who are like, answer,

741
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: here's your jam.

742
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: He actually fucking understands the politics of this rapper and

743
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: this like how that like that? That to me means

744
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: a lot too, because I just love people, and I

745
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 4: love culture, and I love music, and i love just

746
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: observing what's going on and I'm not trying to be

747
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: something I'm not. But at the same time, like when

748
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: I know that I'm doing a really good job, I

749
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: could be reporting on a story that is not the

750
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: biggest thing. I just interviewed this YouTuber Buba x one

751
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: hundred or Buba one hundred x sorry, and he does

752
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 4: a lot of he's a YouTuber and he's young, and

753
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 4: he's from the fucking streets, and he's doing a lot

754
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 4: of videos where he's doing shit with all these drill rappers,

755
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: which it's actually crazy what he does.

756
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: He'll play their ops music in front of him, and

757
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: so then these are dangerous.

758
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 4: It's like a young black kid from the hood and

759
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 4: he's making YouTube videos getting mad views doing this, and

760
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: I'm looking at it, like bro that's insane, Like I

761
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 4: could never get away with that. I would never even

762
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 4: want to get away with that if I thought I

763
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 4: could get away with that, because you're really baiting some

764
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 4: shit right there.

765
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: I can't believe that the rappers let them let him

766
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: do that.

767
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 4: And he's just out here making content like that, And

768
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 4: you know, I was doing the interview with him, and

769
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 4: he's just like astonished, like multiple times in the interview

770
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: of like, whoa, you're really deep on YouTube that you

771
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: know what the fuck is going on in New York.

772
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: Like that, you know what? I like? That's and see,

773
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: I really am interested. I do see that.

774
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: Oftentimes I view you and say, just based on, like

775
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: you said, the in depth interviews you have with a

776
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: like an old Jay, the Juice Man, right, or some

777
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: of these guys whose stories may not be known to

778
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: the masses. So you had to do either some digging

779
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: or you had to be in attendance one or two

780
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 3: things happening, and either one of those things have to

781
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: lend itself to some sort of respect.

782
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: So I say, damn, he gotta respect the culture.

783
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: But then on the other side, when Joe Budden said

784
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: to you, black couldure made you Black culture made your millionaire.

785
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: You paused almost like did that is that the case?

786
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: And on our side it's like there's no pause needed there.

787
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: How do you fit?

788
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: Do you you do understand that black Colture made your media?

789
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 4: Well, I think if you look at my channel, it's

790
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 4: like what percentage of the interviews or really with rappers

791
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: or really like you do a lot of it? For sure,

792
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 4: a lot, but it's not all. Let's not deal with

793
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 4: I made a lot of money pe porn. I made

794
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 4: a lot of money off BMX bikes. I made a

795
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 4: lot of money.

796
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: Off a lot of shit. And now, for sure, in

797
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: a weird way.

798
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 4: I do find like that's kind of like it's it's

799
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 4: it's kind of like an exaggeration because the reality is

800
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: is that I make mad money off everything I touch.

801
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: But that's because of right, No jump is no jumper,

802
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: because of the triple lixis because of the early little pumps,

803
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: because of the early This is why no Jumpy is

804
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: what it is.

805
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 4: Now.

806
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: What you did with your business speaks to the acumen,

807
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: the business acumen. You pivoted, you got another building, you

808
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: move five times, you run into AD.

809
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: That's what changed a lot of things.

810
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: AD brought a culture here as well that gave you

811
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: an identity outside of the interview.

812
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 4: Right, because for a while, No Jumper was just me

813
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 4: doing mad interviews, you know, and then I was trying

814
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 4: to like build up personalities along with the No Jumper

815
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: thing and everything. But Ad was the first one that

816
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 4: we really felt like we had real success with, Like

817
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: it's actually like, oh, a lot of people are watching it,

818
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: a lot of people are invested in figuring out what

819
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 4: this guy's like and how you're going to get along

820
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: with him and everything, and like, oh shit, he can

821
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 4: do a show without you and people will fuck with it.

822
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 4: And then we just kept finding more and more talent

823
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 4: like that. So yeah, I mean I do agree that,

824
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: like I have a pretty uncanny ability to spot talent

825
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 4: when it comes to both rapper like people to interview

826
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 4: as well as like hosts.

827
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: I definitely I think that, And I just.

828
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: You know, I have a very open mind because a

829
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: lot of the people who have been brought to the channel,

830
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 4: like AD has brought a couple of people to the

831
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 4: channel that have been very very.

832
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: Popular and successful.

833
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 4: But also it's like, you know, he's brought a bunch

834
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: of people that I kind of said, no, to you know,

835
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 4: it's like, but the idea of like, yeah, if I

836
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: made a lot of money off of black culture, I

837
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 4: mean yeah, To be honest, I've been obsessed with black

838
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 4: culture since I was a young child.

839
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: So it's like, what kind of makes sense to me?

840
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: What is what what feels funny about just saying yeah, no,

841
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: the black black culture fucked with me.

842
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: No, Triple X came and sat with me. I'm not

843
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: trying to deny that in any way.

844
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 4: I just feel like it kind of deserves a little

845
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: bit of clarification because it's like, if I was somebody

846
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 4: who could sit here and say that every fucking dollar

847
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 4: I ever made was from black culture, then that might

848
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 4: be a fucking.

849
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: What if I say a bike culture?

850
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: Right?

851
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: What if I said, you, you became a millionaire bite culture.

852
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: We know that's not the case. We know more of

853
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: our culture than BikeE culture. Would you have that same

854
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: feeling about clarifying it?

855
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 4: Then No, that would just be straight inaccurate because I

856
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 4: wasn't really making that much money off the bike shit,

857
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 4: but that was my thing that at me living for

858
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 4: like ten years before I managed to get into the

859
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: hip hop shit.

860
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, ultimately at the end of

861
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: the day.

862
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 4: This is my thing about it is that I've seen

863
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 4: so many people complaining about me, academics of Lad for

864
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 4: so fucking.

865
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: Long, and damn near none of them.

866
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: Have actually been able to create their own platform and

867
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 4: do something that really was able to, like, you know,

868
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 4: weaken the businesses that we've built. Now, on the other hand,

869
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of people who've been able to

870
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 4: basically become very significant media personalities in their own right

871
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 4: off of the back of Vlad, off of the back

872
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: of my shit, et cetera. So I mean, do we

873
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 4: sometimes make a bunch of money off black culture?

874
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 1: Sure?

875
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 4: Do we also constantly put money into the hands of

876
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 4: black people by paying them for interviews or giving them

877
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 4: shows or you know all this other stuff. I mean,

878
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 4: you got to take that into account too, because somebody

879
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 4: like a Deals sit here, t row sit here, tell

880
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 4: you Sharp, will tell you all these different people of

881
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 4: color that I put on the channel. They'll tell you, Adam,

882
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: get the opportunity when nobody who looks like me was

883
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 4: giving me an opportunity, you know. And I'm gonna be

884
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 4: really with you too, though the fact that they are

885
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 4: black to me is very incidental. I really just genuinely

886
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 4: like that doesn't mean that much to me, Like, I

887
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: don't really like looking like they're they're black, and that's part.

888
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: Of that, right, right, I fuck with real.

889
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: I'm happy to.

890
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 4: Give a white guy opportunity too. It's not really you know, yeah,

891
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 4: I get that, right. I respect the fuck out of that.

892
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 4: I would argue, you don't. I would argue, either you

893
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 4: don't like academics, that academics don't like you. We actually

894
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 4: talk a pretty good amount. He says some stuff that

895
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 4: people take as like anti no jumper sometimes on his

896
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 4: stream or whatever, but I don't really I feel like

897
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 4: it's just kind of trolling and fucking around whatever. There's

898
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 4: been very few things in recent memory that I've really

899
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: been like bothered that he said.

900
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 3: You know how you feel about what he's saying and

901
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: what he's saying, there two different things, right. Your emotions

902
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: may not be attached to what he's saying, but the

903
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: things he's saying ain't things people.

904
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: Who liked you would say. So what are you referring to?

905
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: I was looking today, right, you guys had a long conversation.

906
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: This is old things, right, But I see him now

907
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 3: speaking to the to the young guy you have on

908
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: your platform now telling them that you know, stick No

909
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: Jumper up and you know Ad gonna.

910
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: Run off with the bag.

911
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: These things affect you business wise, whether you know it

912
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: or not. Don want to act like these things. How

913
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: these people make clips off of these things.

914
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: They're interested, they're amplifying these things or amplify.

915
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: And that's what the fans do.

916
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: Do you think the market ignores that? Well, I mean

917
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: you think Ad could go anywhere else and be involved

918
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: in a way that he is at No Jumper for

919
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: a price point.

920
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 4: At there, Ad knows that he's free to have conversations

921
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 4: with me about money whenever he wants, and that he

922
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 4: could talk, he could ask for a raise, he could

923
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 4: say that he wants to do this, he could you know,

924
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 4: those conversations are always open. My whole policy with everybody

925
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 4: is like, let's just be super transparent about money, about

926
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: who's gonna be able to work together, you know, like

927
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 4: I just I don't shy away from that.

928
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: And so that's why.

929
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 4: And honestly, like every time that that's happened, where academics

930
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 4: was saying some shit to Trall or Ad about potentially

931
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 4: hiring them or whatever, that always just ends up in

932
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 4: a conversation in the group chat about their loyalty to

933
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 4: no Jumper and how that's not a temptation to them

934
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 4: and how you know, bro, but.

935
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 3: We come on andam come on, man, I come from

936
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: this coach. That shit don't mean nothing a group chat

937
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 3: about man, we loyal you to you faum family.

938
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: That shit don't mean you really don't believe them? Huh man?

939
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: Who believes niggas saying any.

940
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: But that's not I'm not looking for that kind of

941
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: loyalty anyway, because they get offered. So guess what it

942
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: means if academics offers them twice as much money and

943
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: I can't pay that and I don't.

944
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: Want no go for it. He ain't out for nobody none.

945
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: He's doing it deliberately to affect what you got going on.

946
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: He not even I think he's taking it a little

947
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 4: bit more serious, not anyone involved taking He's not taking

948
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 4: it that serious. I'm not taking that serious, ad and

949
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: t L aren't taking it out saious. I don't even

950
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: think the fans are taking us.

951
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: And that's because you guys, and you can't control the

952
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 3: narrative with these people.

953
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: I understand how this works.

954
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: Listen, people don't say things like the And then I

955
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: looked at the conversation, all these things he was saying

956
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: about your wife.

957
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 4: Bro Okay that that was a while ago with about

958
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 4: but okay, you're trying to convince me I should be

959
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 4: mad about some stuff, and to.

960
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: Convince you of anything, I'm trying to clarify that you

961
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: guys are playing this little weird game with each other

962
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: like you like each other. But there's really a situation

963
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: where he continues to send shots at you and you

964
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 3: continue to ignore it like it doesn't happen. He continues

965
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: to say, Adams, my little nigga, and you continue to

966
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: act like.

967
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: When I don't like you could your people will find

968
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: it right.

969
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: And so all I'm saying is, how, what's your true

970
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: feelings on academics?

971
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 4: Your true feelings, I mean, my true feelings, honestly are

972
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 4: kind of the same as when I came in the game,

973
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 4: because I was looking at his channel when I started

974
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 4: my channel, and I thought that what he was doing

975
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 4: was incredible, and I would say kind of the same thing. Now,

976
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 4: you know, he's a very good interviewer. He's one of

977
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: the few rap interviewers I would put in my league,

978
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 4: you know, like there's just not that and in terms

979
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 4: of there's interviewing and then there's building a business.

980
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: So he's done both. Lad has done both.

981
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: I think he's a terrible interview and I think, really, man,

982
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: I think praise does not deserve this sad tier and

983
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: I believe this is sad ty you what you're doing

984
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: this dude is not a good interview and it's a

985
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: snools fist. Really, I don't think anyone South in the

986
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: in the South, we believe that to be a snools fist.

987
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm what may maybe I'm off.

988
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 2: Till it's yo. You see, I gave you your props.

989
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: I viewed this game very I don't I'm.

990
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: Not many people that much props on interviews he hasn't

991
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 4: been doing, but I would say he's very good.

992
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 3: I think you have a fear of academics for some

993
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: strange reason.

994
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: No, that's not true.

995
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: I mean, or maybe he came in with you in

996
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: those things. Something is happening.

997
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 4: But anything he knows about me, he has put it

998
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: on front Street at some point, beef, and that's your friend. Well,

999
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 4: so you're telling me that if someone has disrespected me,

1000
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 4: I should never be able to get past it.

1001
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: No, especially if you don't know me and we had

1002
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: no real relationship to begin with each other. When he

1003
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 3: dealt with a situation with the game somebody, I'm getting money,

1004
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: we're blessed into this game, and then this situation happened

1005
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: that he said, Damn, I can't identify what Just hold on,

1006
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what made that happen. You just was

1007
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 3: doing out that about my wife and how she liked trained.

1008
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: What whole whoa whoa? What did I do that warrant that?

1009
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: And if I can't understand that, I have to think

1010
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: like fifty cent thought in that moment and say, if

1011
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what caused the reaction, I can't be

1012
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: involved in any way.

1013
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: No, I mean I totally understand what cause of that situation.

1014
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 4: We had a whole thing that played out over a

1015
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 4: period of time, okay, and I mean you know we

1016
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 4: got pasted it. People actually got to see us have

1017
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 4: the whole patching it up conversation. And I respected that

1018
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 4: other time stations that took place behind the scenes and everything.

1019
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 4: But you know, he's been I've been on his podcast

1020
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 4: two times. He did the whole No Jumper show thing

1021
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 4: with that he has actually done like a formal interview

1022
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 4: since all that. But you know, I mean, yeah, I

1023
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 4: got respect whatever for Adam.

1024
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: I got respect for what you do behind this mic.

1025
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: I've studied the entire thing from top to bottom, and

1026
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: I understand exactly where you're standing this, right. I don't

1027
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: think you need these guys. I don't think whatever respect,

1028
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: whatever weird game you're playing where you're not standing on

1029
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: the business as far as disrespect is disrespect man.

1030
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 4: So you're saying that if I've ever been disrespected by

1031
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 4: anybody that I can't can't over.

1032
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: In this competitive space.

1033
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that, because then I would not be

1034
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 3: standing for what I understand to be the case of life,

1035
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 3: which is growing and elevating.

1036
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: I understand that to be the case.

1037
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying unwarranted things happening to me will not be accepted, right,

1038
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 3: and there's no understanding for things that would not warranted.

1039
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: And for you, as me, I'm saying everything that happened

1040
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: to you would act in my opinion, how far he

1041
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: went was unwarned.

1042
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: No, totally.

1043
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: I didn't appreciate some of the things he said during

1044
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: all that, for sure, And I mean a lot of

1045
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 4: it started because of things that I had said about

1046
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 4: him that he didn't appreciate or whatever, but we got pasted.

1047
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: It and shout out the y'all relationship. I don't say

1048
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: that to effect that. Again, I'm trying to understand, is

1049
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: these little weird games being played in media because I

1050
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: come in with the money, my shit on the floor,

1051
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: and I got deals everywhere, So I come in saying,

1052
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: is that they playing this little weird game because I

1053
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 3: know Adam don't need Act and ACT don't need Adam.

1054
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 4: But okay, think about what the game is is that

1055
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 4: if you kind of look at where we're both at

1056
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 4: in terms of the content and everything, it's like there

1057
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: are two different ways that you could judge us. Academics

1058
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 4: can sit on Twitch and talk his shit and it

1059
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 4: will dominate the fucking headlines that'll be, I mean, the

1060
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 4: real headlines in the world, on the blogs, whatever. Like

1061
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 4: he's just very He's probably better than anybody else in

1062
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: hip hop at just getting on the mic and saying

1063
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 4: his opinions about shit and then having it be like

1064
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: controversial enough that everybody fucking talks about it.

1065
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: So you got to give it to him For me,

1066
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: he is he's relevant in the coach my.

1067
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 4: Shit is a little different because I'm not necessary like

1068
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 4: we do talk about all the current events and everything.

1069
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 4: But I'll give you an example when he when takeoff dies,

1070
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 4: he runs to Twitch to document every last bit of

1071
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 4: what was going on in the video. I didn't even

1072
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 4: think of that. I saw him doing it, and I'm like, oh,

1073
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: that was a pretty good idea, and didn't my brain

1074
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily idea well, I mean, content wise, he had

1075
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 4: like fifty thousand viewers, so at.

1076
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: Least in the moment of miserab different let me ask you.

1077
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 4: But but this is all I'm saying, is that then

1078
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 4: at the same time, though, you look at a jumper

1079
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, there's like ten hosts on it.

1080
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: Now.

1081
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 4: The one thing that he hasn't really done is he

1082
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: hasn't really like built up a bunch of hosts under him.

1083
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 4: And I know that he said that he wants to

1084
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 4: do that, but he hasn't necessarily And I understand why

1085
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 4: he's kind of moving slow on it, because it's like

1086
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 4: he is able to be so profitable he just by

1087
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 4: being himself on camera. But when he's like saying that

1088
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 4: shit to troll and ad I almost take it as

1089
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: like an acknowledgment of like he sees that I'm building this,

1090
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: and he sees and he knows that he has to

1091
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: at some point that that's something that he wants to

1092
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: kind of do as well.

1093
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: Right, and so you know, I many ways it is

1094
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: to acknowledge that without doing it that way.

1095
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: I know you're good at this, so you could do that.

1096
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: Give me your top five hip hop analysts or excuse me,

1097
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: media guys, media guys, fuck, I mean interviewers.

1098
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: Is kind of like, let's do that well.

1099
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: Interviewers, I say, you got to give me Vladenak and God,

1100
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 4: why do you.

1101
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: Keep putting act in this and what classic interviews? Give

1102
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: me one? I just got to be real.

1103
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: I can't give me one interview, give me one quote

1104
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 2: any listen.

1105
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: But I'm not even saying that he give me one

1106
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 4: question because most of his interviews are on Spotify, where

1107
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 4: there are not necessarily allowed to live on their own

1108
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 4: on YouTube whatever. But when I see him doing interviews,

1109
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 4: I consider him one of the best people doing interviews.

1110
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you that.

1111
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 2: I can't argue with you. It's about taste, not opinion.

1112
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 4: And Vlad I think is incredible at what he does,

1113
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 4: and I mean other hip hop interviewers that I really

1114
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 4: think that you could put in the top five. That's

1115
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 4: a really good question because I don't you know, I

1116
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: like Math offer. I'll give it to math off. I

1117
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 4: think Math is doing a really great job. I think

1118
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 4: he just near the top of the total.

1119
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: Okay, you're putting Math up there, shout out, there's big.

1120
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: I like Math. Maths to the table.

1121
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 4: Honestly, if I had my YouTube subscriptions open right now,

1122
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 4: I might be able to look at it and tell

1123
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 4: you even more. But I don't know, right, Charlotte, Man

1124
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 4: gotta give Charlamne's up there. Yeah, Charlamagne's to go. It's

1125
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 4: a little different because he was like two co host

1126
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 4: the radio thing, but she's the go.

1127
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: He's definitely up there.

1128
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, uh, I see you left Joe off

1129
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: of that. What's your thing with Joe?

1130
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: But Joe doesn't interview many people? What's your thing? Would Joe?

1131
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: You have anything with Joe?

1132
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: Joe to me where it's like, but he barely interviews people,

1133
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 4: and he would acknowledge that he does like less than

1134
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 4: one interview a month.

1135
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: He's interviewing his friends well he talks to his friends.

1136
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean with Joe, it's like I came

1137
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 4: in the game looking up to him. The first time

1138
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 4: he ever invited me over to chill was mind blowing,

1139
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 4: Like I cannot believe that this dude even wants to

1140
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 4: be around me in any way, and I didn't take.

1141
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 4: I mean, one thing I think a lot of people

1142
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 4: miss from the Joe Budden thing is that as soon

1143
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 4: as that shit ended, everybody's laughing, smiling, patting each other

1144
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 4: on the back.

1145
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 3: That's why I'm wondering, is this fake media shit? Like

1146
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 3: is that happening with that? Because that's fake media ship.

1147
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say it's fake.

1148
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 4: It's just that it's like an acknowledgement that we all

1149
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 4: kill what we're doing when we're on camera.

1150
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, And I can agree with that and a

1151
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: lot of people.

1152
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 4: This is not unique to hip hop because a lot

1153
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 4: of times I've heard about like left wing politicians and

1154
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 4: right wing politicians and people who are writers who are

1155
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: left wing Democrats or right wing Republicans, and they'll be

1156
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 4: at these conferences and they'll see each other and sometimes

1157
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: they'll actually say to each other like, oh, yeah, we

1158
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 4: should we should collapse like we should we should yell

1159
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 4: at each other on Twitter, right, right, or do a

1160
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 4: stream or do an interview where we basically just like

1161
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 4: completely bitch at each other, human at each other.

1162
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: But that's that's like working together.

1163
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 4: So so the thing with Joe, like, there's definitely probably

1164
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 4: a lot of moments where you could look at that

1165
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 4: in isolation and be like, damn, this motherfucker hates at him.

1166
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: But the real and actually.

1167
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 4: Even in that interview, there's one point where he was saying,

1168
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 4: like you are this like you are such your culture vulture,

1169
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: and I'm like, that's not true, because you fuck with me.

1170
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, you fuck with me.

1171
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 4: I know you love me, and that's and that's so

1172
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 4: I know that you're just kind of you're sort of

1173
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 4: kind of trolling right here in the interview, and he

1174
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 4: it wasn't even like he really and.

1175
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: See that that fake media shit is weird to me,

1176
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: right or I listen, I'm here to get some information.

1177
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: I think that's where my tipping point is, like what

1178
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: are they doing? They're faking it and then they acting

1179
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: like I got some smoke for you, and then they

1180
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: ain't really trying to figure it out because you. In

1181
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: my opinion, you did extremely well in that position.

1182
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 4: But the thing is is that the best podcast are

1183
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 4: unlike your best friends, where it's like, you know, your

1184
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: closest homie. You could be at the bar, you could

1185
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 4: be at a restaurant, or you could just be hanging out.

1186
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: You could have a two hour argument.

1187
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: About whether it's whether it's about right, but even off camera,

1188
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like, whether it's about oh, this guy beat

1189
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 4: up his bitch and then this happened, and that there

1190
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 4: he should have done this and he should have done

1191
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 4: this or whatever, or it could be some shit that's

1192
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 4: more lighthearted, like oh, you know, some relationships, ship whatever.

1193
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 4: You could have a two three hour argument where you're

1194
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 4: calling each other names and you're screaming on each other

1195
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 4: and getting super into it, and then at the end

1196
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 4: of it, you're still just friends, right right, And that's

1197
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 4: kind of like, even though I barely fucking know the

1198
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 4: other guys on the Joe Button podcast besides Joe, that's

1199
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 4: kind of how it felt. It was like, hell, yeah,

1200
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 4: we just did it, like we just made some dope content. Realistically,

1201
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: we pretty much believe everything we said, but also funck yeah,

1202
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 4: let's go out and.

1203
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: That's dope, right.

1204
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: I just had mall alone, and he said a lot

1205
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: about Joe and his business practices and things like, how

1206
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: do you feel about how Joe was ringing his business

1207
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: this over the years.

1208
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 4: Well, seems like I could leave a little bit to

1209
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 4: be desired. I mean, Mal and Rory walked out of

1210
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 4: there pretty unhappy, and I definitely felt like watching that

1211
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 4: play out made me do a lot of thinking about

1212
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,959
Speaker 4: what I was going to have to do in order

1213
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 4: to keep No Jumper solid, you know. And I feel

1214
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 4: like the biggest shit that it seems like Mal and

1215
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 4: Joe or Mal and Rory were unhappy about was basically

1216
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 4: the lack of transparency. The fact that they didn't feel

1217
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 4: like they had like full access to like what they

1218
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 4: were being paid or how they should be paying paid,

1219
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 4: et cetera. And like, you know, that shit is super

1220
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 4: insulting to a creative for sure. Like you know, like everybody,

1221
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 4: even if you are a one percent partner in a

1222
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 4: business and you're you're making way less than everybody else involved,

1223
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: it's like you still want to know what the fuck

1224
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 4: your one percent looks like.

1225
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: That's just like.

1226
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 4: Being a human being a man, you want to know

1227
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 4: what you're you know, sure, and so I mean with that,

1228
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 4: I feel like that's super understandable. And that's a big

1229
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 4: part of why I always try to approach everybody on

1230
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 4: the team about money, about whatever, like let's just be

1231
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 4: super straight up with each other, right So, and I

1232
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 4: think that it just involves being very, very human, like

1233
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 4: when we're in the group chat and sometimes well there'll

1234
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 4: be a big fucking argument going on in the morning,

1235
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 4: or somebody will be saying something crazy that I don't like,

1236
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 4: I don't agree with. I gotta take a breath and

1237
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 4: think I'm not gonna dive in right here and say

1238
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 4: shit that I can't take back, or say the wild

1239
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 4: that I could think of in my head, the meanest

1240
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: shit that I could think of. It's gonna hurt somebody's

1241
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 4: feelings whatever. It's like, No, I gotta I gotta like

1242
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 4: try to be the grown up in the room more

1243
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 4: often than not. And yes, I gotta stand on my

1244
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 4: shit and if I really feel a certain type of way.

1245
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 4: But one thing that I've gotten a lot better at

1246
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 4: is like, if I got a problem with somebody in

1247
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 4: the group chat, well I'm gonna fucking text them separately

1248
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 4: exactly I'm not gonna do it in front of an

1249
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 4: audience in the group chat, because I feel like that's

1250
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 4: a lot like if if Ad said something or also,

1251
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: I try to really like Okay, last night, there was

1252
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 4: a bunch of people saying, oh, Ad said this and

1253
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 4: that about you on stream and he's being messy and

1254
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 4: he's being disloyal, YadA YadA, and I'm starting to see

1255
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 4: it and I'm starting to my man, I'm starting to

1256
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: feel like, what the fuck his motherfucker say?

1257
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: And I even thought about texting him before.

1258
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 4: I fucking want And then I hop on YouTube and

1259
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 4: i watched the full thirty five minute video and I'm like,

1260
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 4: I don't fuck, it's nothing. It's like it's like there's

1261
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 4: like one moment in the whole thing and it wasn't

1262
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: even something he said where I was like.

1263
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: I didn't like that one thing, right, right.

1264
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 4: But it's also like, you know, and I owe him

1265
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 4: that to not just jump onto the narrative that you

1266
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 4: got yeah, right, And but I'm crazy to just believe

1267
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 4: the conversation before you dig in.

1268
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: Man, that's pressure, brother.

1269
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 4: Because it takes you two minutes to read one hundred comments,

1270
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 4: and it will take you an hour or two hours

1271
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 4: to watch.

1272
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: Watch Who the podcast.

1273
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: You say his perspective, saying, hey, man, who you talking about?

1274
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: Like that? You run with that? Right? I remember you

1275
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: said because over there with Joe did Joe was hard

1276
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: to work with?

1277
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: You believe it.

1278
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 4: I mean it would appear from like the way that

1279
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 4: things went with Spotify that it was not maybe the

1280
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 4: easiest person to work with. That when you see how

1281
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 4: the Complex thing went down. I mean, there's just a

1282
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: lot of different types of people in terms of business.

1283
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 4: Joe is somebody who he sees what's going on. He's

1284
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 4: paying very close attention. He's extremely aware of what he

1285
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 4: thinks he's worth, even if sometimes he's kind of like

1286
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 4: maybe exaggerating what he's worth, you know. And it's like

1287
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 4: with the Complex shit fuck, I forget the exact numbers,

1288
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 4: but I think it was something like AC was getting

1289
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: like maybe they were both getting like ten or twenty

1290
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 4: thousand a month. I wish I could remember the exact things,

1291
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 4: and act was chilling. AC wasn't like asking for more money,

1292
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 4: even though like the shit was going pretty good on

1293
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 4: Complex right when they were doing that everyday struggle thing

1294
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 4: was popping, and Joe pretty much was like I want,

1295
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 4: you know, two three times as much, and I want

1296
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 4: like this percentage ownership or whatever of the the brand partnerships,

1297
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 4: Like you know, if they got a Nike deal, he

1298
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 4: wanted to have part of it. I wish I could

1299
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 4: remember the exact numbers, right, But you know, then in comparison,

1300
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 4: Act was kind of just like looking at it a

1301
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 4: different way where he was thinking, I'm on Complex, I'm

1302
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 4: getting my face out there more. This is like earlier

1303
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 4: in his career, he's thinking, I'm gonna just rock out

1304
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 4: with us for a couple of years, and I'm not

1305
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 4: necessarcessarily thinking about like demanding the most money right away.

1306
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 4: It didn't take Joe very long to be like, yo,

1307
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 4: I want a lot more money, which I respect Joe

1308
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 4: doing that. He was starving, but yeah, and then at

1309
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 4: the same time, when you think of acts like Act

1310
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 4: kind of like seeing the value of building a relationship

1311
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 4: with Complex long term, and he's.

1312
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: Wasn't starving at coming with the YouTube money, Joe starving push.

1313
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: Up with the stall.

1314
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 4: His money might not have been great, and I know

1315
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 4: it wasn't great, man, He's kind of said that.

1316
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: So that's that's just what it is. So it's it's

1317
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: two different ways to approach it, you know.

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00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 4: And I'm like that too, where it's like, listen, I

1319
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 4: could get brand deals all day for let's let's say

1320
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 4: ten thousand dollars, and then I could also be like, no,

1321
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 4: I'm not doing a brand deal on that's like a

1322
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 4: thirty thousand, right, and then maybe I only get to

1323
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 4: do a couple of brand deals here.

1324
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: And there, right, you knowstead instead of piping the business.

1325
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 4: Or you can you know, or you could just kind

1326
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 4: of like keep your rate a little bit more moderate

1327
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 4: and just keep getting to do the ship. You know.

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00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: It's very much a decision for each person. I think.

1329
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: So when you think that when you when you say

1330
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: Joe was hard to work with, what do you say

1331
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: to people who say you're hard to work with?

1332
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: Because I've seen.

1333
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 3: What I worked with nobody, Well, I've seen what it's

1334
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: saying that you have an issue with people speaking about

1335
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 3: what happens on the compound or hear no Jump on

1336
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: their streams.

1337
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: I would identify that as being over zealous.

1338
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 4: No, But the thing I was doing there was really

1339
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 4: just trying to because Okay, one thing about my platform

1340
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 4: that's different than a lot of platforms is if you

1341
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 4: look at something like Barstool Sports, they will give you

1342
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 4: a deal. They'll say, here's your check for the year

1343
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 4: or for the month or whatever, and this is how

1344
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 4: much money you're getting. And you're doing content. You're doing

1345
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 4: this podcast with us, and you ain't really doing anything

1346
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 4: else outside of this, Like you could do whatever the

1347
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 4: fuck you want, but you can't really be on camera

1348
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 4: outside of this, right. So my thing was from when

1349
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 4: we started this, I wasn't thinking like, oh, I'm gonna

1350
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 4: lock ad up in a contract. I'm gonna lock te

1351
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 4: Releapant a contract so that they can't do shit.

1352
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: Outside of there.

1353
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 4: So as a result, a lot of them have started

1354
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 4: their own streams and shit, and some of them are

1355
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 4: having real success. Some of them it's kind of whatever.

1356
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 4: But like damn near like half the host on the

1357
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 4: platform broughab more than half, and a bunch of people

1358
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 4: work here. They all got their own different thing. And

1359
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 4: to me, I don't really see a stream or a

1360
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 4: podcast as being all that different from having your own

1361
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 4: Instagram or having.

1362
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: A TikTok or whatever the fuck it is.

1363
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: So that's not something that I've felt the need to

1364
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 4: be like extremely controlling about. But the one thing that

1365
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 4: I brought up was basically that I felt like a

1366
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 4: lot of people on our team were kind of like

1367
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 4: taking the incentives that are right there of oh, you

1368
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 4: can make content about your friends and talk shit about

1369
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 4: your friends and fucking get into MESSI as shit about

1370
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 4: your friends, and they were letting that get in the

1371
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 4: way of them just being good friends. And I brought

1372
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 4: an example to the table. I said, like, listen, look

1373
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 4: at all the crews that we look at and hip

1374
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 4: hop that we respect how they move.

1375
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to bring up TD as an example.

1376
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 4: I feel like probably over the years, there's been some

1377
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 4: times where Kendrick had some animosity towards somebody on the

1378
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 4: team or school boy que not getting along with somebody

1379
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 4: or the manager at the and they're not getting along.

1380
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 4: There's this shit going on behind the scenes, right I'm sure.

1381
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 4: I don't even need somebody to tell me. I just

1382
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 4: know that there's been drama. We don't know about it.

1383
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 4: Fucking QC, migos, whatever, there's crazy amounts of shit going

1384
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 4: on my tea, my brother for sure, but I mean

1385
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 4: even just the migos along.

1386
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly there's recipes take off, but clearly.

1387
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 2: Before Pete take Off. I'm sorry, I Pete Takee.

1388
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 4: Take Off, but before all that even I mean clearly

1389
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 4: there was drama going on. We didn't know about it

1390
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 4: because they're not coming out and talking about it. I

1391
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 4: was just telling my team, I want us to move

1392
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 4: more like that. If you have a problem with me,

1393
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 4: come talk to me. Don't go on the stream and say, oh,

1394
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 4: I think Adam kind of might be doing this. Even

1395
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 4: if you feel like you're kind of joking or you

1396
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 4: feel like it's it's for content, it's funny or whatever

1397
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 4: it's like. And there's a lot of stuff that they

1398
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 4: could talk about with me that I don't give two fucks,

1399
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 4: But when it's stuff that kind of gets a little

1400
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: bit serious.

1401
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 3: So it ain't the fact that they're making content, it's

1402
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 3: the things that it's the stirring of the pot that you're.

1403
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: Seeing, right.

1404
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 4: I feel like, if anything, I deserve a lot of

1405
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 4: credit for being so open minded and telling them to

1406
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 4: go get their money. Last night, I was on Trell's

1407
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 4: stream with him and his girl and his homie smack

1408
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 4: three hours, so I just went.

1409
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: Pulled up supporters the whole thing.

1410
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, just just because I fuck with him doing his

1411
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 4: own thing, and I want to support that, so I

1412
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 4: don't like. My only thing about it was that sometimes

1413
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 4: I got to jump in there and be like, listen,

1414
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 4: we ain't moving right And because think about it, because

1415
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 4: Kendrick or school Boy Q now, granted, like they all

1416
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 4: got enough money, they ain't really incentive of it by ship,

1417
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 4: but I mean, they know they could be in the headlines.

1418
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 4: They know they could have some viral YouTube clips if

1419
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 4: they were talking shit about each other, but they don't

1420
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 4: do it. You know, Quavo could have had a five

1421
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 4: million view YouTube video if he wanted to make a

1422
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 4: video saying this is why men OFFSHO don't get along,

1423
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 4: but they don't do it. That's all I was saying

1424
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 4: to my team is like, let's move more as a

1425
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 4: unit and like and and there's been a lot of

1426
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 4: stuff like that, even where I've told people like, hey,

1427
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 4: I can't really fuck with you if you're fucking with

1428
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 4: this person that I look at as an op and

1429
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 4: we have a real conversation about it, and we decide

1430
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 4: that we're gonna move differently.

1431
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna not We're not gonna.

1432
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 4: Like just go fuck with different people that that we

1433
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 4: don't fuck with We got to like move a little

1434
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 4: bit differently, or at least that's how I want to

1435
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 4: move as a unit, you know, because the truth is

1436
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 4: is that I could get a lot of fucking views

1437
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 4: talking about everybody else's drama.

1438
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna get less.

1439
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,439
Speaker 4: We're gonna have less views talking about each other because

1440
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 4: a lot of us are not as.

1441
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: What you made. Right.

1442
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 3: You may get, but they may get and that's where

1443
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 3: it becomes unfair. Right, And I wonder, why don't you

1444
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 3: feel like it's a workaround, like it's a marketing tool.

1445
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: Why do you feel like it stops there right that

1446
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 3: narrative doesn't continue to bring those viewers back to No Jumper?

1447
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: Is there any credence today? You lend any credence to

1448
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: the work around.

1449
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 4: But see, that's the thing, is that bringing viewers to

1450
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 4: No Jumper is cool and everything, But ultimately I think

1451
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 4: us moving in a respectable way is a lot more.

1452
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: And that's your right to say, because we have to

1453
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: ignore the incentives.

1454
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 4: Because like the thing about what my life would be

1455
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 4: like if I just followed the incentives, dope as good game,

1456
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 4: if I followed the incentives. Listen, maybe this interview comes out,

1457
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 4: and I think to myself, you know what, I get

1458
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 4: a million views, I'm gonna make a YouTube video saying

1459
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 4: fuck this dude, Like that.

1460
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: Really might work.

1461
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm a piece of shit if I do that.

1462
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 4: You know, if I got a problem with you, I

1463
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 4: should call you a text or whatever it is.

1464
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: You know. So it's like, that's one thing. I think

1465
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people sometimes.

1466
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 4: Who get into wrap or have a hard time or

1467
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 4: get into making content about rap or whatever. Sometimes I

1468
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 4: have a hard time realizing it's like, give up the

1469
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 4: short term value for the long term brand building of

1470
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 4: being a good person.

1471
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 3: That's good game, man. They need to soak that up.

1472
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, man, I'm coming by. I know you

1473
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 3: a busy man.

1474
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: You know, so.

1475
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 3: Another episode, man, it's up their podcast, get that game,

1476
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: do something with it.

1477
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: Adam twenty two Skiddy appreciate man, good time. Yeah,