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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson show

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back to the Drive.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale LOLLI, he is Matt Williamson and Matt Earlier today,

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Speaker 1: I posted an article on Steelers dot Com on Tarah

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Speaker 1: Austin and Frisman Jackson, the Steelers defensive coordinator and their

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Speaker 1: wider receivers coach, being a tap to go to. It's

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Speaker 1: the new initiative that the league has started here to

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Speaker 1: have guys come in and basically meet with head coach

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Speaker 1: or with ownership you know, around the league. So they

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Speaker 1: they'll go to the owners meeting or the spring meetings

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Speaker 1: here in Minneapolis, and they'll be there with thirty eight

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Speaker 1: other guys will be forty overall, and they'll get an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to just sit down and meet and greet, meet

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Speaker 1: and greet ownership gms through the NFL Accelerator program. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking here at the thirty third team and they

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Speaker 1: have a list of I have.

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Speaker 2: A question about that. I never heard of this, to

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Speaker 2: be honest with.

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Speaker 1: You, Okay, it's something new. They started it last.

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Speaker 2: Year Okay, so not every team has two coaches. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like there's forty total Steelers happening to Is it

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Speaker 2: a minority program.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a minority program. Okay. It gives the

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Speaker 1: you know, these minority coaches in some cases when they

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Speaker 1: did it last year, it was front office people the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to go and sit down and meet the guys

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Speaker 1: who make who did basically the decision makers.

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Speaker 2: That's great. That's a great in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And you know, because you can't hire who you don't know.

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Speaker 2: As I said, it's kind of like watching tape of

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Speaker 2: the upcoming component like that.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of times NFL teams, NFL owners

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Speaker 1: get ripped for you know, they hired, they went the easier.

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Speaker 1: They just hired some you know, some guy who coached

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Speaker 1: for them eight years ago, or somebody you know who

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Speaker 1: knew somebody who knews. Like, that's how That's how hiring

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Speaker 1: goes in every business. Said.

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Speaker 2: If I was hiring somebody and my best friend said, hire.

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Speaker 1: This dude, I'm like, well, hire that dude.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's referrals or what kind of makes the

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Speaker 2: world go around, doesn't the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna lean that way. Yeah. So this, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is something that opens the door for some of

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Speaker 1: these minority coaches, which is good. But I'm looking here

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Speaker 1: at an article on the thirty third team and it

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Speaker 1: is seven coordinators who will be twenty twenty four NFL

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Speaker 1: head coaching candidates. It's by Tom or I'm sorry, Paul

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Speaker 1: de Moinewitch, who's their senior writer. Yeah, so I'm just

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Speaker 1: going to roll through some of these names here and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit about this. His first guy

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Speaker 1: up on here is Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 2: Now he's been around the block and he's bet yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, he's he interviewed for three of the

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Speaker 2: that it's been a head coach before.

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Speaker 1: Like, is that the best we can come up with?

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Speaker 2: I gave him big money for coordinator money, often not

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Speaker 2: to keep him away from the other teams, but kind of,

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Speaker 1: Just in case something else, you know, something happens. He

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Speaker 1: could be Dallas's coaching waiting two.

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Speaker 2: Like could he even stay there and be the next

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Speaker 1: So here's one of the things. So years is a

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Speaker 1: defense he's been a defensive coordinator for four years. I

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Speaker 1: guess in Dallas the record is defensive coordinator forty nine

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I don't win losses. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: win loss of quarterbacks. That it definitely is not a coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Definitely not coordinating, especially a defensive coordinators. And so they

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Speaker 1: He then lists his Cowboys average defensive ranking in yards

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Speaker 1: under Quinn fifteenth, Cowboys twenty twenty two, defensive ranking twelve.

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Speaker 1: This makes him a head coaching candidate.

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Speaker 2: Say that's not the best resume builder, and you might

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Speaker 2: have the best defensive player in the league on your

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Speaker 2: Dallas has adjusted, and you know he's evolved at least.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Number two guy in his list is Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 2: That was the name that popped that I had immediately. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like thirty six years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, last year was his first year as a coordinator,

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Speaker 2: the little wrinkles almost like Shanahan esque of making all

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Speaker 2: And I guess he's really smart, great municator, like you said,

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Speaker 2: only thirty six, Like he feels like a Steeler head.

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Speaker 1: that one more than I get dan Quinn. Like, at

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Speaker 1: least a guy like Ben Johnson is a he's never

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like our backup conversation conversation, you know,

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Speaker 2: conversation is dan Quinn might be a Colt McCoy, you know,

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Speaker 2: like I kind of know what he is, right, I'd

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Speaker 2: rather take a chance on Will Levis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I know again I saw dan Quinn

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Speaker 2: That's always a weird thing to balance, like, well, what

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Speaker 2: did he learn in his first stint? And everyone, well,

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Speaker 2: Belichick didn't win in Browns. You know, does that mean

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Speaker 2: he never should been hired? Who knows? I mean sometimes

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Speaker 2: these guys have been a league long enough though, that

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Speaker 1: The next one on the list is Brian Johnson, who

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Speaker 2: However, this is his first year as a coordinator. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they lost both coordinators, so maybe he's a smart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how you can say he's going to be a

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess the logic is he.

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Speaker 1: Was a quarterbacks coach, Billy's.

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Speaker 2: He helped develop hers. He's I mean, Eagles and Chiefs

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. But he's the whole help

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Speaker 1: Bruce Ario, Well, Bruce Arians helped develop Peyton Manning and

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Speaker 2: They probably have been good without Bruce not.

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Speaker 1: So much either, you know. Tom Moore developed Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 1: and Arians was the wide receivers coach for the first

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Speaker 1: Roethlisberger was young. He wasn't developing Ben. He was developing

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Speaker 1: too much credit is given in many of these cases,

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Speaker 1: Like they all have pr guys writing their stuff for them.

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Speaker 1: Bruce Arians developed that. No he didn't, No, he.

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Speaker 2: Didn't a lot too. I really think Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts,

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Speaker 2: not even in the facility, you know, with Carson Palmer's

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Speaker 1: You know. So Brian Johnson could be great.

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Speaker 2: He might be great, who knows.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea though, I have no idea if

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Speaker 1: So he's perfect.

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Speaker 2: He's like the Lions, Dude, if they have the number

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Speaker 2: one offense in the league, he probably still isn't going

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Speaker 2: to get high after one year being an coordinator. He

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Speaker 2: should be on this list of a year from now.

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Speaker 1: Right, I could make a better argument to Ben Johnson, right,

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Speaker 1: did more with less? Like Ben Ben Johnson came out

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Speaker 2: And they were a fourth best offense in the league.

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Speaker 1: You know so well? I mean to me, the jury

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Speaker 1: know that. Who knows, right? Right? Yeah? Right? Okay. The

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Speaker 1: next one is Eric b Enemy, who's now the offensive

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Speaker 2: No, he's interviewed a million times and he's interviewed, which

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Speaker 2: he's the guy that everybody points well he you know

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Speaker 2: he's he's at He's inter been interviewed sixteen times by

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Speaker 1: Wow, and nobody has hired him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is public knowledge. He has some sort

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Speaker 2: of checkered past. I don't know what kind of trouble

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Speaker 2: into some kind of trouble, right, and it just implies

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Speaker 2: he's not the best interview ever, So what's he do?

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Speaker 2: He takes a lateral move to go from the Super

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Speaker 2: disastrous ownership and environment to be the offensive coordinator in Washington,

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Speaker 2: which I kind of get. I mean, if Washington's talk, well.

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Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was absolutely the

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Speaker 2: I mean coaching mahomes with Andy Reid, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: At the same time, I guess you have to win Super.

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Speaker 2: Bowl every year, right, that's not a bad life.

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Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, I've gotten sixteen head coaching

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Speaker 1: interviews in the last few years. Still, I can't blame

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Speaker 1: then leads me to this about Eric. They have the

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Speaker 1: Yours is OC five record is OC sixty four and eighteen.

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Speaker 1: the enemy. Second, Andy Reids calling the plays. I can't

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Speaker 1: say this enough. Now I will say this. Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: also called the plays before this, and he also called

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Speaker 1: that race is a factor here, I get it.

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Speaker 2: But in the conversation, he might not an interview.

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Speaker 1: I mean he might not be a head coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he might not be. Or I mean he sits

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's oh for six and.

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Speaker 1: He wouldn't be the first guy that that's happened to,

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Speaker 1: He's been their offensive coordinator for four years twenty eight

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, if Brian Callahan does get a head coaching

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he may be the salt of the earth and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I also look at it like, who did

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Speaker 2: I don't know the human being, but I think he's

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Speaker 1: He's he's been a defensive coordinator for five years. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah again again, I don't know the human being. He

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Speaker 2: He took over for Fangio. Hackett took over for Fangio

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Speaker 2: Right, right, I said, I don't know how to comment

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Speaker 1: No, you know, I saw it to me like if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tarrell Austin's name was on this list. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: He's got as good a resume, if not better than

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Speaker 2: Right, we've both been around him. He's smart and he's personable.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you know, working against him is

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Awesome? I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: So many of these guys, yeah, aren't well known coordinators

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Speaker 2: No, he's a great example. He would be somebody would

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Speaker 2: I think he might be my favorite candidate, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yes, I know a lot of our listeners won in

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Speaker 2: don't know this, sixteen new play callers of thirty two

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Speaker 1: For well well, I mean like six of those were

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Speaker 2: For one thing, It's not a great year to go

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Speaker 1: Not like, man, I'm jaying that guy's yeah, I got

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Speaker 2: There's not like there's this deep pool of Kyle Shanahan's

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Speaker 1: You know, like I think when I look at that situation,

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Speaker 1: He was a coordinator basically in name only because they

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Speaker 2: I would say, I mean an unkind way of saying it.

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Speaker 2: But with all respect to Ben, you're coaching around some

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Speaker 1: You know, No, that wasn't that wasn't what he was

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Speaker 2: mean that's part of coaching. I mean there's things that

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Speaker 2: Kansas City doesn't ask Mahomes to do over and over

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Speaker 2: again either, you know, But.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of the same way like when the when

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Speaker 1: this in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen, I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: mean you look at that year for Randy Feekner with

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Speaker 1: with Mason Rudolph and Douc Hodge is both making their

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Speaker 1: first career starts in that season, especially the games with

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Speaker 1: Duck at quarterback. You're just you're just trying to survive.

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Speaker 2: You're trying to get first downs, You're trying.

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Speaker 1: To so you know, so you know, to me, that's

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Speaker 1: why that's why you bring Matt Canada back. Did I

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Speaker 1: see enough last year, particularly in the second half of

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Speaker 1: the season, to say, Okay, this guy deserves another chance?

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Speaker 1: I did? There was okay, Uh, there was definite progress

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Speaker 1: from from the beginning of the season to the end

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Speaker 1: of the season. It was almost night and day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was an identity, there was progress, It was

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Speaker 2: by far, by far, by far. I just wrote this

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Speaker 2: article the youngest offense in the entire league is changed.

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Speaker 2: Good for the youngest offense in the entire league and

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Speaker 2: a second.

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Speaker 1: Year quarterback, particularly when what I was doing in the

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Speaker 1: second half was working, Like if, if, if, that's going

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Speaker 1: to be your identity, and everything that they've done this

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Speaker 1: offseason says, yeah, that's going to be their identity. They're

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Speaker 1: going to be they want to run the football and

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Speaker 1: and beat people up in the trenches. I mean, okay,

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Speaker 1: he showed that. He showed that you could do that. Hm.

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Speaker 1: That was something that that you know, they didn't deal

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Speaker 1: it with Todd Haley. They didn't deal it with Randy

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Speaker 1: Fiekner despite at times, uh, you know, Art Rooney the

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Speaker 1: second coming down said we need to run the ball better,

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Speaker 1: and then the next year they come out and average

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Speaker 1: ninety yards rushing. Again, Well, okay, now you know, Art,

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Speaker 1: we need to run the ball better, and lo and

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Speaker 1: behold they did.

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Speaker 2: H right, right right, So I mean, it's just real

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Speaker 2: easy to say offense coordinator stinks c score points, he

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Speaker 2: stinks blah blah blah. You know, like there is context.

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Speaker 2: And that's why going through that list of these guys

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Speaker 2: are head coaches next year, are they really all that great?

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Speaker 2: I mean, are there a bunch of studs out there

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Speaker 2: right now that are obvious head coaches that will win

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Speaker 2: games in this league? No, not to buy knowledge.

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Speaker 1: And we know based on history, there's going to be

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Speaker 1: five or six changes at the end of this.

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Speaker 2: Year, absolutely, and those same five or six will get

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Speaker 2: fired two years.

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Speaker 1: If I was if I was fishing in that pool,

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Speaker 1: I would not be real like keen On. So oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's go hire one of these dudes. The bad pool,

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Speaker 1: the BADO. It's not a great pool. Yeah, yeah, it's bad,

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Speaker 1: which is why you know these things that the that

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Speaker 1: the league has. Maybe of these forty guys who go

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Speaker 1: to this coaching seminar or at the at the meetings,

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Speaker 1: maybe three of them become guys that, oh, hey, I

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Speaker 1: talked to I remember talking to this guy at the

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Speaker 1: let's supposed Yeah, let' let's let's bring him in for

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Speaker 1: an interview. That's how Mike Tomlin got his you know,

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin was not the four runner into the front

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Speaker 1: runner in two thousand and seven, every I mean everybody

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Speaker 1: including myself, assumed it was going to become Widen Hunter

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Speaker 1: Russ Grimm. And then all of a sudden, here comes

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin and you know, coming on the outside, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, And and the other two guys get pinned

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Speaker 1: in the rail and they don't get it, and Tomlin does.

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Speaker 2: I'm making this up. This is hypothetical, of course, but

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Speaker 2: mister Rooney might be blown away by a thirty five

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Speaker 2: year old defensive back coach from the Chargers or whatever.

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Speaker 2: And four years from now, Tomlin retires off in the

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Speaker 2: sunset and he thinks, let's call that guy. I remember him,

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Speaker 2: you know, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I met him at that symposium and he had some

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Speaker 1: good stuff to say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's with me, you know, I mean, he had

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Speaker 2: an ur about him. Let's let's bring him in.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're looking for. You're looking for the aura.

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Speaker 1: You're looking for a guy who can be a leader

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Speaker 1: of men. Yeah, because that's the main job of your

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Speaker 1: head coach, Like, can he lead a room of fifty

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Speaker 1: three diverse personalities? Exactly? Yeah? You know right. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: before we go off. Oh wait, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: This is totally different fantasy related. I am doing my

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Speaker 2: first ever Best Ball underdog tournament and I am one

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Speaker 2: pick away and I'm taking a quarterback. Is it Fields,

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Speaker 2: Burrow or Herbert?

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Speaker 1: This is just this is not dynasty, right, No, it's

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Speaker 1: not dynasty.

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Speaker 2: It's Best Ball. It's you set your your draft, your team.

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Speaker 2: You never change it. They're big rosters and if you

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Speaker 2: have three quarterbacks on your roster, whoever has the best

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Speaker 2: week and Week twelve, you get their points, just like

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Speaker 2: I take Fields. I think I think I'm gonna take Fields.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's gonna have the biggest blow.

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Speaker 2: Up games and then I'll get like a Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 2: or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get somebody else to give you a nice floor,

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Speaker 1: but you take Fields because of the upside.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my plan.

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Speaker 1: I have one pick away.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping Fields doesn't fallow, but I would settle for

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Speaker 2: Burrow Herbert.

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