Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, arm Strong and Getty and he
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: We want to get you to some breaking news just
Speaker 3: out of our newsroom here at Fox thirteen. A man
Speaker 3: is in the hospital after being shot in the leg
Speaker 3: overnight if his police say he was shot by his dog. Seriously,
Speaker 3: I don't think that's right. This happened just before four
Speaker 3: am at a home on Whitney Avenue in Fraser Wow.
Speaker 3: Police say the man was lying in the bed with
Speaker 3: a girl with a gun on the bed. Police say
Speaker 3: his dog jumped up on the bed, got is Paul
Speaker 3: stuck in the trigger and ended up hitting the trigger,
Speaker 3: shooting the man in the thigh.
Speaker 2: Wow accident.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the dog claims, you pretend to throw the
Speaker 1: tennis ball, you stick it in the couch cushion one
Speaker 1: too many times?
Speaker 4: Right, and Dora, I'm supposed to be there in the
Speaker 4: bed next to you. And who's this?
Speaker 2: Huh? You cheating bastard. When's the last time I went
Speaker 2: for a walk? Can you even remember? Pow Wow Wow,
Speaker 2: bad boy, bad dog.
Speaker 1: My dog ties him to a chair. Like reservoir dogs.
Speaker 1: I'm not putting up with this anymore.
Speaker 4: Right Wait, so, uh Jack Michael, do we have that
Speaker 4: the two rappers were talking and gunshots went off?
Speaker 2: That's a candidate for clip of the year. So I
Speaker 2: like the way.
Speaker 1: Clearly this news anchor who's got a bit of a
Speaker 1: kent bruckman Will Ferrell vibe.
Speaker 2: Yes he does.
Speaker 1: Apparently he was just handed this breaking news not knowing
Speaker 1: he was about to do a story about a man
Speaker 1: who was shot by a dog at four a m. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so could happen. It's also possible that he was messing
Speaker 1: around with his gun, or she shot him or something.
Speaker 2: They don't want to tell anybody what actually happened.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's that's at least, although you know, it's
Speaker 4: not implausible that if you are living the lifestyle where
Speaker 4: you're lying in bed with quote unquote a girl who
Speaker 4: wrote that story, did they need a woman? I would hope,
Speaker 4: and there's a gun laying there for some reason, you
Speaker 4: can't put it on the nightstand even Yeah, you're living
Speaker 4: the sort of lifestyle where your dog shoots it.
Speaker 1: Maybe he or she likes the gun pointed at them
Speaker 1: during their romantic times. Oh good, lord. No, I remember
Speaker 1: seeing that in the Sopranos. Remember one of them. Somebody
Speaker 1: liked having a gun to their head.
Speaker 2: Turning Sawdrey. It's way too Tawdrey.
Speaker 1: No, a dog just shot someone. This is time for
Speaker 1: frank talk the pastor rising.
Speaker 4: Up as I predicted, Go ahead, Michael and Joy as
Speaker 4: we got in life.
Speaker 2: Those were your choices.
Speaker 3: Somebody got shot?
Speaker 2: Oh how good? The dirty dead? What I want with
Speaker 2: my idea? Don't shut me.
Speaker 4: Everybody, everybody, everybody that's the sort of guy who's in
Speaker 4: bed with a girl and a dog shirt.
Speaker 1: They have a much more relaxed, lighthearted view of shootings
Speaker 1: in the room.
Speaker 2: On fire.
Speaker 1: Shootings in the room. I mean, it's not even an
Speaker 1: accidental shooting at the range or outdoors or something. We're
Speaker 1: in a room with a number of people. A gun
Speaker 1: gots off, somebody's been shot. You good, I've been shotting.
Speaker 2: You good? You good? Everybody good? Okay, Yes, I was saying, wow,
Speaker 2: you've different lived a different lifestyle than I have.
Speaker 5: A right.
Speaker 2: Anyway, what are your plans today? You guys A hungry
Speaker 2: I'm hungry. Yeah. Crazy.
Speaker 1: That other one, just the beginning part where the anchor
Speaker 1: gets to the because I just find this funny.
Speaker 3: We want to get you to some breaking news just
Speaker 3: out of our newsroom here at Fox thirteen. A man
Speaker 3: is in the hospital after being shot in the leg overnight.
Speaker 3: If the police say he was shot by his dog, seriously,
Speaker 3: I don't think that's right. Uh. This happened just before
Speaker 3: four a m. And the dog Hitney Avenue in the
Speaker 3: Fraser Wow. Police say the man was lying in the
Speaker 3: bed with a girl with a gun on the bed.
Speaker 3: Police say his dog jumped up on the bed. God
Speaker 3: is Paul stuck in the trigger and ended up hitting
Speaker 3: the trigger, shooting the.
Speaker 2: Man in the thigh. Wow. Four in the morning. I
Speaker 2: ain't eating lambon rice anymore. Give me some real freaking food.
Speaker 2: Was it a hunting dog? Boy?
Speaker 1: So there's actual and of course some background checks. We
Speaker 1: don't know any of those things. Gun loopholes, what went
Speaker 1: on there?
Speaker 2: Wow? Wow?
Speaker 4: Well, and if I was going to make a serious
Speaker 4: point about it, that's the very sort of person that
Speaker 4: Democratic prosecutors would never enforce gun laws against.
Speaker 2: They howl for more gun laws constantly. And then I'm confused.
Speaker 2: You know what I walked into that didn't I?
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, perhaps it's best to just move on
Speaker 4: to other fair I don't know why I enjoy giving
Speaker 4: JIV names to uh features sets of stories, but I do.
Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 4: So you get the choice between golden state of confusion.
Speaker 2: Or how markets really work.
Speaker 4: I'll go with much more so just because the lack
Speaker 4: of jiviness.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious after the ridiculousness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So story number one why the US keeps
Speaker 4: losing to China in the battle over critical minerals because
Speaker 4: everybody knows that the minerals, the rarest the metals everybody's
Speaker 4: talking about that go into so much new technology. He
Speaker 4: or they who control access to those things controls the
Speaker 4: world economy to a large extent.
Speaker 2: And the obvious issue with.
Speaker 4: That is that if we continue to be highly dependent
Speaker 4: on China to come up with those materials, we're screwed
Speaker 4: as an economy the minute they decide to tweak us
Speaker 4: or bring us to our knees. So you have this
Speaker 4: story of the effort to get a big giant New
Speaker 4: America and our allies run graphite.
Speaker 2: Mine, and.
Speaker 4: The goal to challenge China's dominance over the world supply
Speaker 4: of a critical mineral used in everything from electric vehicles
Speaker 4: to submarine hubs and so this Australia based mining company
Speaker 4: backed by more than one hundred million dollars of US
Speaker 4: government financing, maybe a worthy goal. Kind of funny, There
Speaker 4: wasn't any discussion of this, but this is what our
Speaker 4: giant government does. Opened a mine in Mozambique and built
Speaker 4: a graphite processing plant in Louisiana, the first of its
Speaker 4: type in the US. It also signed a sales deal
Speaker 4: with Tesla, which is historically brought graph height for cars
Speaker 4: from China, for the battery specifically.
Speaker 2: But then things start to go off the rails.
Speaker 4: China, which provides more than ninety percent of the world's
Speaker 4: battery grade graph height supply, jacked up its production.
Speaker 1: How many did the market? How many stories include China
Speaker 1: supplies ninety eight percent of this or that way too many?
Speaker 4: And whether Trump's plans bear fruit or not, and whether
Speaker 4: He's allowed to even get the plans going fully is
Speaker 4: anybody's guest. But this is the very sort of thing
Speaker 4: that he and his advisors are trying to wean.
Speaker 2: Us from, the sort of dependence.
Speaker 4: But anyway, the gist of the story is so China,
Speaker 4: which provides were ninety percent of the world's battery grade
Speaker 4: graph height supply jacked up its production, flooding the market
Speaker 4: and driving prices so low that this mine, this company
Speaker 4: could not mine profitably.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Last May, the Biden administration delayed new rules that would
Speaker 4: have penalized US buyers from buying Chinese graph fight for
Speaker 4: reasons that I don't recall, probably because they were trying
Speaker 4: to get Shijin Ping to do something. In Mozambique, farmers
Speaker 4: resettled from the mining company's mind staged protests, shutting down
Speaker 4: the mining and the Louisiana plant, now open for a year,
Speaker 4: has yet to make its first commercial sale, and the
Speaker 4: company's stock is plunged by around ninety percent since the
Speaker 4: start of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting, and once again the difficulties of a
Speaker 1: an authoritarian entry. When one guy can make decisions in
Speaker 1: a democracy.
Speaker 2: That's tough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And as always, there's a lot more detail and
Speaker 4: nuance to it, but we'll leave it here. I love, love, love,
Speaker 4: love love the free market in so many ways. It's
Speaker 4: lifted billions of people out of poverty, on lace new
Speaker 4: medicines across the globe. It has profit is the reason
Speaker 4: for charity. It's the reason charity exists. You have to
Speaker 4: have more than you need to feed yourself to give
Speaker 4: to charity. Anyway, as we retrench from the dream of globalization, though,
Speaker 4: there are going to be some rainings in of the
Speaker 4: free market, and it's going to be stops and starts.
Speaker 4: It's going to be really difficult anyway not to get
Speaker 4: hung up on that, because you could talk about it
Speaker 4: for a year and a half and write five thousand
Speaker 4: page books on it and not cover it. I thought
Speaker 4: this was interesting how markets really are. Jack the rise
Speaker 4: and fall of the Napa Valley of Cannabis. When Colorado
Speaker 4: became one of the first day to legalize recreational marriage, Juana,
Speaker 4: an enthusiastic county commissioner in Pueblo, said he wanted Pueblo
Speaker 4: to become the Napa Valley of Cannabis.
Speaker 2: And they talked a little.
Speaker 4: Bit in the Wall Street Journal about the situation. Big
Speaker 4: slaughterhouse had closed years earlier, steel mill had been shedding workers.
Speaker 4: They're really hurting for jobs and tax revenue, and a
Speaker 4: cannabis boom would do that for them. The streets were
Speaker 4: going to be paved with gold, recalled one resident. The
Speaker 4: elementary schools were going to be the greatest in the country.
Speaker 4: And then they talk about, you know, the classic meme,
Speaker 4: how it started, how it's going. In the first weeks,
Speaker 4: the only two shops then licensed in the county, round
Speaker 4: rang Up combined one million dollars in sales the first month,
Speaker 4: Wow sending fifty six thousand dollars in taxes to the county.
Speaker 4: Everybody was just thrilled and happy. Decade and high decade later,
Speaker 4: Pueblo's dreams have gone up in smoke. A once thriving
Speaker 4: industry of retailers, growers, in cannabis, oil extractors. There were
Speaker 4: more than two hundred of these businesses in twenty seventeen
Speaker 4: in that county. More than two hundred. It's collapsed. Only
Speaker 4: forty five remain. State records indicate county tax revenue plunge
Speaker 4: from more than seven point one million dollars to four
Speaker 4: point eight million twenty twenty three, which is still a
Speaker 4: pretty significant amount of money. And you could argue that
Speaker 4: they're just thinning the herd and the stronger surviving the
Speaker 4: way it goes in capitalism.
Speaker 2: But here's the problem. In California knows this too.
Speaker 4: It's been a huge problem because the rosy rosy promise
Speaker 4: is made to Californians in Colorados alike. Even after legalization,
Speaker 4: illicit growers and sellers thrived, even right in Pueblo. Last year,
Speaker 4: they accounted for seventy percent of the US market, according
Speaker 4: to research companies. The black market dealers, unlike licensed ones,
Speaker 4: face neither taxes nor red tape, so they're more efficient
Speaker 4: and they're cheaper, and it's bad for your brain.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, man, if you're counting on enough people smoking
Speaker 1: enough pot to you know, make your schools great and
Speaker 1: everything like that, that's just that's an interesting thing.
Speaker 4: It is, and it's probably not a sustainable way to
Speaker 4: run a society.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: Nationwide, only twenty seven percent of legal cannabis businesses are profitable,
Speaker 4: which is two percent just three years ago.
Speaker 2: Did not know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, investment is dried up, restructurings are rising, and in Pueblo,
Speaker 4: sentiment about legal pot is swung the other way, fueling
Speaker 4: a backlash against the county's embrace of the industry. And again,
Speaker 4: it's kind of complicated and a lot of nuance to it,
Speaker 4: but it's just it's not nearly the dream it was
Speaker 4: sold to be.
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: And the one The one aspect you should understand, it's
Speaker 4: kind of intuitive, is that if it's legal, enforcing laws
Speaker 4: against the illegal stuff becomes so complicated because you know,
Speaker 4: half of it, sixty percent of it, depending on where
Speaker 4: you are, is legal. And so what are the cups
Speaker 4: supposed to do if they see a bunch of guys
Speaker 4: smoking pot?
Speaker 1: Right? First of all, you put that cone on my
Speaker 1: head again, I'm gonna shoot you again.
Speaker 2: That's our deal.
Speaker 1: Secondly, Elon did a wide ranging interview Tesla's getting attacked
Speaker 1: all over the country. A bunch of stuff on that
Speaker 1: stick around, maybe.
Speaker 2: To get Luke colmbs Man.
Speaker 1: When he's saying this with Tracy Chapman, it says Granny's
Speaker 1: last year or country music Orge worry of it.
Speaker 2: That was awesome, dude.
Speaker 1: Anyway, So this I want you to listen to this
Speaker 1: and tell me if you understand what this is. Luke
Speaker 1: colmbs giant country star, two time entertainer year blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, one of my favorite country singers currently and.
Speaker 2: Doesn't look like an underwear model. God i'd say not,
Speaker 2: big old boy.
Speaker 1: But he's got this weird medical condition he talked about
Speaker 1: yesterday on the News and I don't even understand it.
Speaker 2: I watched it twice.
Speaker 1: Just listen to a little of this country music star
Speaker 1: Luke HOLMBS revealing he's been living with a condition known
Speaker 1: as purely obsessional obsessive compulsive disorder.
Speaker 7: The variant that I have is particularly wicked because you
Speaker 7: there's no outward manifestation of it right, Like you're saying,
Speaker 7: the flicking of the light switch is all going on
Speaker 7: in here for me, the flicking of the light switch
Speaker 7: for someone.
Speaker 2: Else, you can see that going on. So for someone
Speaker 2: like myself, you don't even know what's going on. I'd
Speaker 2: be going on right now.
Speaker 1: Do you understand what the hell that meant? I mean,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't. They don't explain it more as okay,
Speaker 1: explain it to me. Then I didn't get it.
Speaker 4: Oh, It's just he becomes obsessed with certain thoughts and
Speaker 4: can't get past them in the same way as somebody
Speaker 4: who has a different sort of OCD has to drive
Speaker 4: around the block three times, or or flip the light switch,
Speaker 4: or believes that they killed somebody on the drive in
Speaker 4: and has to retrace the root.
Speaker 2: It's just okay, just manifests itself differently.
Speaker 1: Like so, so I was misled by the light switch thing.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: So I know some people with OCD. You can't ever
Speaker 1: go to sleep because you think, did I turn the
Speaker 1: light off downstairs? I'll go check again, yeah, And then
Speaker 1: you get back back up in bed you think did
Speaker 1: I turn it off?
Speaker 2: I mean I just checked, but I'm not sure, and
Speaker 2: it drives you nuts.
Speaker 8: But he's saying, well, I know somebody with a similar
Speaker 8: thing where they are were plagued by recurring thoughts of.
Speaker 4: Terrible things happening and or doing terrible things. Oh wow,
Speaker 4: to the point that it was scary.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: He said, it's debilitating, and he's had it since he
Speaker 1: was a little kid. Probably how he ended up, you know,
Speaker 1: turning toward music like a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Do we have a.
Speaker 1: Friend, remember Corey we used to work with. He collected
Speaker 1: quarters in a giant jar in his apartment. All quarters
Speaker 1: he'd throw.
Speaker 2: In his jar. He'd been doing it forever and he
Speaker 2: had it's tremendous eye.
Speaker 1: But he would think that there might be a nickel
Speaker 1: in that jar where he's like in bed, and he
Speaker 1: would have to dump out the entire jar and go
Speaker 1: through it and make sure there's not a nickel. In there,
Speaker 1: they're all quarters put him back in there. Then he'd
Speaker 1: get back in bed and like, am I sure it
Speaker 1: checked it correctly? Oh? So thank god I don't have that.
Speaker 1: I got other things, but I don't have that. Yeah, yeah, awful.
Speaker 4: We worked with the people are able to talk about
Speaker 4: that more, you know, and get help for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We worked with a guy I had really bad OCD,
Speaker 1: Jeff Bell. I mean he was public about it. He
Speaker 1: wrote a book about it. We interviewed him about.
Speaker 2: It, really interesting book. Yeah, yeah, we worked him for years.
Speaker 1: I didn't know he had OCD until he left, actually,
Speaker 1: but I do remember coming out of the bathroom one time.
Speaker 1: He was waiting for the bathroom and I come out
Speaker 1: the door and he said, did you hit a very.
Speaker 2: Little voice, did you wash your hands? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: I didn't hear? Did you wash your hands? His OCD
Speaker 1: was just so worried that I hadn't washed my hands,
Speaker 1: which I may have not, I don't know. But yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: elon with quite the interview yesterday interesting in a number
Speaker 1: of ways, including the way Tesla's being attacked, the way
Speaker 1: he's getting an endless death threat, and he's worried some
Speaker 1: nut job is going to hear these hitler and take
Speaker 1: him out, not understanding he's just trying to cut government
Speaker 1: bureaucracy anyway, a bunch of stuff on the way.
Speaker 2: I hope you can stay here, armstrong and getty.
Speaker 9: Entitlements is the wrong word. If you pay into something,
Speaker 9: you are investing in your future, your money, so in
Speaker 9: the expectation you'll get.
Speaker 2: It back after you retire.
Speaker 9: Any attempt as I think Trump knows, to mess with
Speaker 9: that is political dynamite. Elon Musk is as political standing
Speaker 9: in this town is falling almost as fast as Tesla's
Speaker 9: share price. He is an albatross around Trump's neck.
Speaker 1: Is Elon Musk and albatross around Trump's neck. Elon in
Speaker 1: a wide ranging interview which we're going to play for
Speaker 1: a little bit of coming up, but mentioned entitlements is
Speaker 1: what we got to cut. So there's now an other
Speaker 1: reason for the people that hated Elon to hate him.
Speaker 1: As you're hearing it affecting people's attitudes towards Tesla in
Speaker 1: this report, Elon.
Speaker 5: Must jump into politics is not drawing backlash, but Tesla
Speaker 5: takedown protests across the country. Tesla owners had become targets too.
Speaker 5: It was right here, like doctor Kumate Jarrus who found
Speaker 5: a profane sticker on his cyber truck.
Speaker 10: Three guys came out of the car and just pointed
Speaker 10: the metal finger started screaming at me.
Speaker 5: So you're going to miss the car.
Speaker 2: It's a great car.
Speaker 10: I will miss the car.
Speaker 2: I will miss the car.
Speaker 10: But your principles are I think for now, principles have
Speaker 10: to take priority.
Speaker 5: Bavic Schokreon has owned his Tesla since twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I was a big believer. I felt like this is
Speaker 10: somebody who cares and a company that's doing, you know,
Speaker 10: cool things, and just within an election cycle, it all
Speaker 10: kind of turned on its head.
Speaker 4: It's probably worth pointing out, I, Judy and I have
Speaker 4: a couple of cars. I don't have the slightest idea
Speaker 4: what the CEOs of those companies think about anything, right
Speaker 4: Dog versus Cat, Beetles, Stone Coage, free Market.
Speaker 1: I got no idea, no kidding. Oh yeah, I love
Speaker 1: this car, but you know, principles have to take priority.
Speaker 1: What what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: You know you could absolutely argue Elon Musk has brought
Speaker 4: this upon himself in the same way that you know
Speaker 4: Sears Roebuck never had talking garments for transgender little kids
Speaker 4: like Target trotted out.
Speaker 2: But what would say you drive a Oh no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: because that's the person, not the product. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Go on, say you're a person of the right and
Speaker 1: you drive a Chevy truck, for instance, what would the
Speaker 1: CEO have to do before you'd actually sell your truck
Speaker 1: and get a different vehicle?
Speaker 2: Higher Dylan mulvaney as a spokesperson.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a lot different selling a truck, you like,
Speaker 1: I mean, because you start moving cars around, you lose
Speaker 1: lots of money really really fast. It's not like switching
Speaker 1: beer brands. Now I'm gonna drink cors Light instead.
Speaker 4: Right, right, Well, the interesting thing is that if you
Speaker 4: separate Elon Musk and Trump from the conversation and you
Speaker 4: just bring up the things he is doing, and I
Speaker 4: think he actually addresses that. I don't want to steal
Speaker 4: his thunder, but it's enormously popular eliminating waste and fraud
Speaker 4: and abuse. Who's against that exactly? I'd love to hear
Speaker 4: your argument, don't you see? Fraud runs the economy.
Speaker 1: As I said at the beginning of the show, I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna get a cyberbeast with a personalized license plate.
Speaker 2: That says doge.
Speaker 1: I just love the idea of driving around a giant
Speaker 1: middle finger to people who are supporting government waste. That's
Speaker 1: your position, Okay, feel free to go ahead and stick
Speaker 1: with that, you moron.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's this is not like, it's not even
Speaker 2: like the trans issue. It's just who's for government waste?
Speaker 4: I see a crowd of beefy, angry university women surrounding
Speaker 4: you and pounding you with They're mighty modern, radicalized angry.
Speaker 4: Never had a boyfriend fists.
Speaker 1: Seriously, if if Tesla becomes the political middle finger to
Speaker 1: big government people, I've never I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: purchased or not purchased things based on politics.
Speaker 2: Man, I love it.
Speaker 4: Well, what four years after it was a giant virtue
Speaker 4: signal for being a green energy dreamer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy you just heard, he's been driving Tesla
Speaker 1: since twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: He got in at.
Speaker 1: The very beginning when it really was was unwieldy, and
Speaker 1: but was gonna stick to it because a climate change,
Speaker 1: don't you know whatever. So here's Elon being asking is
Speaker 1: interview yesterday about how things how he's become a lightning rondo,
Speaker 1: among other things.
Speaker 6: I mean the ways important in entitlement spending.
Speaker 2: Which is this is forty we want forty.
Speaker 11: They're setting fire to various Tesla charging stations near Boston.
Speaker 11: Shots were fired at a Tesla dealership in Oregon. Various
Speaker 11: non violence.
Speaker 6: What's fired?
Speaker 2: Not a metaphor? Notts fired?
Speaker 11: Yes, downtown New York marching, marching against the Tesla's showroom.
Speaker 11: Your stock is way down. You've been criticized left and right.
Speaker 2: But look on the right side. I mean, what are
Speaker 2: you doing this?
Speaker 6: Always look on the right side of life.
Speaker 11: Yes, But besides that, yes, I mean, what motivates you
Speaker 11: to do this?
Speaker 2: First was the opera Good?
Speaker 6: It's tough sledding, Yeah, it is tough sledding.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he goes on to talk about how many death
Speaker 1: threats he's getting.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: Twitter got hacked yesterday.
Speaker 1: He says it was the Ukrainians, although how do you
Speaker 1: know where it came from?
Speaker 2: Why would they try to enrage Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: I don't know whose starlink system sustains them, but he's
Speaker 1: getting tons of death threats every single day.
Speaker 2: And he said, and I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons they're posting online all the departments
Speaker 1: that they want to cut or waste that they're finding.
Speaker 1: Is you know, which of these do you not agree with?
Speaker 1: You don't agree that this program is blah blah, Well,
Speaker 1: let's discuss that and all that sort of stuff. And
Speaker 1: he's concerned that somebody's just gonna hear he's hitler who
Speaker 1: doesn't pay attention to this stuff, and will want to
Speaker 1: take him out, which absolutely could happen. I'm sure with
Speaker 1: his money, he's got some pretty tremendous security, but he'll
Speaker 1: have to live in fear of being in any sort
Speaker 1: of public place the rest of his life.
Speaker 2: Because of this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's practically a Salmon Rushti case at this point,
Speaker 4: absolutely demonized.
Speaker 1: And you know, and probably by extension maybe he is
Speaker 1: any of his fifteen kids and that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: which really really sucks. But what got him going on
Speaker 1: this in the first place? At DOJE, I thought this
Speaker 1: answer was good.
Speaker 6: I mean, factly, I can't believe I'm here doing this.
Speaker 6: It's kind of bizarre, but I kind of think that
Speaker 6: the Yeah, we've got this enormous federal budget deficit, and
Speaker 6: it's a true trillion dollar deficit. It keeps growing, our
Speaker 6: interest payments are higher than our defense department budget. That's
Speaker 6: I think was the real wake up call for me
Speaker 6: was looking at seeing that the interest payments the national
Speaker 6: debt exceeded the defense department budget, and that was only
Speaker 6: growing over time, which meant if we didn't do something
Speaker 6: about this, then there won't be any money for anything,
Speaker 6: We'll just be servicing debt.
Speaker 11: You've had some business experience, I'm kidding, but yeah, you
Speaker 11: know about all this stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean really, I just don't want America to
Speaker 6: go bankrupt.
Speaker 2: That is one hundred true.
Speaker 4: What percentage of Americans do you think know that that
Speaker 4: our interest lost, not our debt, just the interest on
Speaker 4: the debt is greater than our defense spending.
Speaker 2: Is it ten percent wouldn't be a lot.
Speaker 1: But I do think a lot of people know that
Speaker 1: we're on an unsustainable path.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people know that. A lot
Speaker 2: of voters know that.
Speaker 1: Anyway, and just are willing to ignore it, which is
Speaker 1: worse than not knowing it. The fact that you do
Speaker 1: know it and think, eh, deal with it next election,
Speaker 1: or my kids will deal with it, or I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're thinking.
Speaker 4: What percentage of voters do you think, no, we're on
Speaker 4: an unsustainable path.
Speaker 1: God, I would think at this point half half to
Speaker 1: don't they? I mean, you're really not paying attention.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: The politicians don't really tell them, Mike. Most politicians, politicians
Speaker 1: who lose in primaries tell them, but the politicians that
Speaker 1: actually get elected aren't saying it out loud. Mike Johnson today,
Speaker 1: Speaker of the House, came out and he had to
Speaker 1: because Elon brought up in titlements yesterday. Mike Johnson had
Speaker 1: to come out as a Speaker of the House today
Speaker 1: say no, although no, there's continuing resolution to keep the
Speaker 1: government open. We gotta let you know entitlements are not
Speaker 1: in that at all, no entitlement reform. He had to
Speaker 1: calm people down that we might be adults.
Speaker 4: Right, I think there you also have to factor in
Speaker 4: the number of people who know that we're on an
Speaker 4: unsustainable path, but are so because people believe what they
Speaker 4: want to believe. They believe that it can be fixed
Speaker 4: by tinkering around.
Speaker 2: The edges of the budget.
Speaker 1: Right, that's true. That's true of the people who think
Speaker 1: this is a problem. A good chunk of them think
Speaker 1: as soon as the billionaires have to pay their fair share.
Speaker 4: Sure, or we cut out the waste in medicare that'll
Speaker 4: pay for it.
Speaker 2: What was the other thing?
Speaker 4: Oh, I would love to talk to Mike Johnson, either
Speaker 4: you know, off the record, or maybe I strap him
Speaker 4: to a chair and jab him with some sodium penthal
Speaker 4: or something. But I wonder if I could get him
Speaker 4: to say or if he believes in his heart Joseph,
Speaker 4: the only way you can reform entitlements is to lie
Speaker 4: about it. The only way you can get in power
Speaker 4: and do what needs to be done to save this
Speaker 4: country's fiscal heinee, is to say you're not going to
Speaker 4: and that's the plan. If you were even close to honest,
Speaker 4: you would never be in office.
Speaker 1: Well I get that, but that implies they're going to
Speaker 1: do something about it, so.
Speaker 2: I know that's that's Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the being honest they are they are when
Speaker 1: it is a cataclysm, right, I think that's the honesty
Speaker 1: is like, look, we're the country is not going to
Speaker 1: deal with this until.
Speaker 2: We are in trouble, actually in trouble. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: the fact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, I want to I want to get this
Speaker 1: on because I thought this was a pretty good Another
Speaker 1: clip that I wish everybody in the United States would
Speaker 1: hear Elon talking about this.
Speaker 6: What actually happens here is you've got this this through
Speaker 6: vast federal bureaucracy, and then you've got a very thin
Speaker 6: layer on top of the of the politically appointed officials.
Speaker 6: And what tests happen is that the bureaucracy, frankly is
Speaker 6: in control and they largely ignore the politically appointed people.
Speaker 2: Why should the bureaucracy. I'm sure you best have seen that.
Speaker 11: I've lived with this twice. I worked for Reagan many
Speaker 11: years ago, and I worked for Trump in the first term. Yeah,
Speaker 11: it's like a permanent bureaucracy, I might it's a permanently
Speaker 11: liberal bureaucracy, Yes, very much so. And it doesn't it's
Speaker 11: it's not a bureaucracy that necessarily enforces or implements presidential policy.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 6: In fact, they tried their best to thwart presidential policy.
Speaker 2: Speaking of what percentage of people know?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 1: How many people know that there is a permanent DC
Speaker 1: that runs most of stuff and our whole now the
Speaker 1: people have spoken and we're going to get our way.
Speaker 1: Thing is just a tiny little veneer on top of
Speaker 1: that permanent DC right, which is why I have always
Speaker 1: been against the term deep state, because it's kind of
Speaker 1: become you know, conspiracy qan noni ish and some of
Speaker 1: the stuff some of those folks talk about is it
Speaker 1: does happen, but in terms of the foreign policy establishment
Speaker 1: and their priorities. But I think it's much more accurate
Speaker 1: and just useful to describe it as the permanent bureaucracy.
Speaker 4: The machinery of government is human beings who, unlike a machine,
Speaker 4: can resist the people trying to run the machine.
Speaker 2: And they do it over and over again.
Speaker 4: The Elon Musk is an unelected are you effing kidding me?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Well, the Democrats know it, though they have on their
Speaker 4: side this massive, hundreds of thousands of people strong army
Speaker 4: of we're not going to let the Conservatives change anything.
Speaker 4: Every Secretary state runs into it, Every Secretary of Defense
Speaker 4: runs into it. Once again, read the Robert Gates' book Duty.
Speaker 4: That was the name of it was yeah, yeah, where
Speaker 4: he is the secretary of Defense served under both parties,
Speaker 4: couldn't get crap done because his own department would stein
Speaker 4: his every attempt. And the idea that we will bring
Speaker 4: on some sort of national disaster by trying to tame
Speaker 4: that beast and reduce its bloat and wastefulness.
Speaker 1: Seriously, how could you be in favor of it? What
Speaker 1: an interesting period we're going through. The world's richest man
Speaker 1: has become a political lightning rod trying to like overhaul
Speaker 1: our government. Kind is just been an advisor and people
Speaker 1: are attacking him.
Speaker 2: I have no idea the tariffs.
Speaker 4: While the geopolitics, both trade and of warfare are changing fundamentally,
Speaker 4: it looks like, yeah, spicy.
Speaker 1: Times his seed oil the new Hitler, among other things
Speaker 1: we could talk about.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
Speaker 12: The seed oil is one of the components of process foods,
Speaker 12: and that is you know, all the science and that
Speaker 12: algebraz has food the principal culprit in this extraordinary explosion
Speaker 12: the epidemic we have of chronic disease.
Speaker 1: At some point, I suppose we should talk about seed
Speaker 1: oil the Hitler of foods currently Wow, But that's a
Speaker 1: discussion for another time.
Speaker 2: Perhaps Next Hour.
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Speaker 4: on this way earlier in the show, but I thought
Speaker 4: we could play a fun, fun game. This is part
Speaker 4: of the lecture series at the University of California Berkeley
Speaker 4: Social Sciences School, which are not sciences at all, including
Speaker 4: Decolonizing Gender and sexualities, epistomes, subjects, rationalities, artivisms, practices, and movements.
Speaker 1: You can take a class or go to a lecture
Speaker 1: called Decolonizing Gender.
Speaker 2: What the hell gets even better than that? And here's
Speaker 2: the game we're gonna play. Now.
Speaker 4: If you're driving, we urge you to exercise caution, but
Speaker 4: play along with us. Now, count on your fingers the
Speaker 4: number of terms you either don't know what that means
Speaker 4: or phrases that you can't imagine what they mean. And
Speaker 4: we'll say play along at home, Katie. I would love
Speaker 4: for you to do this if you have time. They
Speaker 4: lecturers Theory of Water, hosted by Leanne Betsa Somaki Simpson.
Speaker 4: I apologize Leanne if I have Missprenashim.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 4: Theory of Water uses Mishi Sagi ignish Nabi consciousness to
Speaker 4: dismantle and think beyond the present moment in the face
Speaker 4: of ongoing genocides, extinct glaciers, police killings, children alone in
Speaker 4: cages at borders, the resurgence of fascist states, and a
Speaker 4: Dying Planet, Simpson asks what does it mean? As Rebecca
Speaker 4: Belmore asks us in Wave Sound to listen to water?
Speaker 2: What does it mean?
Speaker 4: As Dion Brand writes through her diaspora consciousness and by
Speaker 4: inventorying the quotidian disasters of our time in her epic.
Speaker 2: Poem no or to quote, Believe in Water.
Speaker 4: Using Nishnabi origin stories, poetry, and thinking alongside writers and artists,
Speaker 4: these essays turn to water as a generative space for
Speaker 4: world making against empire, within the network of life that
Speaker 4: makes up this planet. One more sentence, theory of Water
Speaker 4: immerses the reader into water as a liminal space resistant
Speaker 4: to regiment, and considers future formations for life beyond our
Speaker 4: current collective imaginings.
Speaker 2: Well, I would have to be.
Speaker 1: A circus freak with seven fingers on each hand to count.
Speaker 4: Do you have the slightest idea what you would hear
Speaker 4: in that talk?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: And the sort of person that would gleefully go to
Speaker 1: that There's no way they understand all that stuff, Katie.
Speaker 2: I, dude, I have no idea what you just said,
Speaker 2: hands toes, yeah, nostrils the.
Speaker 4: I think it's well, Jack to your point, and that's
Speaker 4: part of the woke thing. Is they or their intellectual
Speaker 4: overlords invent all of this vocabulary and then the kids
Speaker 4: throw it around and angrily lecture you if you don't
Speaker 4: understand the liminal space resistant to regiment. And but some
Speaker 4: of some of the words, like equity to the untrained
Speaker 4: ear sound like well, that sounds like equality. Our whole
Speaker 4: country is based on that, So I guess I'm in
Speaker 4: favor of this. It's how they win some of these
Speaker 4: arguments just by perverting the language. But yeah, evidently like
Speaker 4: whack a doodle poets are going to jabber about water.
Speaker 4: That's as close as I can come to having any
Speaker 4: idea what that event is.
Speaker 1: You know, knock that out of the park, as if
Speaker 1: they had Kamala Harris teach that class.
Speaker 2: Oh that reminds me, do we have time for this?
Speaker 4: I don't think we do, all right, brand new Kamala
Speaker 4: Harris clip cool you know James, Next hour, James, He says,
Speaker 4: the point of those things is that you don't know it.
Speaker 2: Then they can kind of control the conversation. Yeah you can't.
Speaker 4: How do you argue against water is a liminal space
Speaker 4: resistant to regiment?
Speaker 2: Where are you gonna start com.
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