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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, arm Strong and Getty and he

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Speaker 3: We want to get you to some breaking news just

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Speaker 3: out of our newsroom here at Fox thirteen. A man

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Speaker 3: is in the hospital after being shot in the leg

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Speaker 3: overnight if his police say he was shot by his dog. Seriously,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's right. This happened just before four

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Speaker 3: am at a home on Whitney Avenue in Fraser Wow.

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Speaker 3: Police say the man was lying in the bed with

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Speaker 3: a girl with a gun on the bed. Police say

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Speaker 3: his dog jumped up on the bed, got is Paul

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Speaker 3: stuck in the trigger and ended up hitting the trigger,

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Speaker 3: shooting the man in the thigh.

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Speaker 2: Wow accident.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the dog claims, you pretend to throw the

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Speaker 1: tennis ball, you stick it in the couch cushion one

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Speaker 1: too many times?

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Speaker 4: Right, and Dora, I'm supposed to be there in the

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Speaker 4: bed next to you. And who's this?

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Speaker 2: Huh? You cheating bastard. When's the last time I went

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Speaker 2: for a walk? Can you even remember? Pow Wow Wow,

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Speaker 2: bad boy, bad dog.

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Speaker 1: My dog ties him to a chair. Like reservoir dogs.

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Speaker 1: I'm not putting up with this anymore.

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Speaker 4: Right Wait, so, uh Jack Michael, do we have that

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Speaker 4: the two rappers were talking and gunshots went off?

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Speaker 2: That's a candidate for clip of the year. So I

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Speaker 2: like the way.

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Speaker 1: Clearly this news anchor who's got a bit of a

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Speaker 1: kent bruckman Will Ferrell vibe.

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Speaker 2: Yes he does.

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Speaker 1: Apparently he was just handed this breaking news not knowing

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Speaker 1: he was about to do a story about a man

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Speaker 1: who was shot by a dog at four a m. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so could happen. It's also possible that he was messing

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Speaker 1: around with his gun, or she shot him or something.

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Speaker 2: They don't want to tell anybody what actually happened.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's that's at least, although you know, it's

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Speaker 4: not implausible that if you are living the lifestyle where

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Speaker 4: you're lying in bed with quote unquote a girl who

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Speaker 4: wrote that story, did they need a woman? I would hope,

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Speaker 4: and there's a gun laying there for some reason, you

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Speaker 4: can't put it on the nightstand even Yeah, you're living

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Speaker 4: the sort of lifestyle where your dog shoots it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he or she likes the gun pointed at them

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Speaker 1: during their romantic times. Oh good, lord. No, I remember

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Speaker 1: seeing that in the Sopranos. Remember one of them. Somebody

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Speaker 1: liked having a gun to their head.

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Speaker 2: Turning Sawdrey. It's way too Tawdrey.

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Speaker 1: No, a dog just shot someone. This is time for

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Speaker 1: frank talk the pastor rising.

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Speaker 4: Up as I predicted, Go ahead, Michael and Joy as

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Speaker 4: we got in life.

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Speaker 2: Those were your choices.

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Speaker 3: Somebody got shot?

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Speaker 2: Oh how good? The dirty dead? What I want with

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Speaker 2: my idea? Don't shut me.

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Speaker 4: Everybody, everybody, everybody that's the sort of guy who's in

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Speaker 4: bed with a girl and a dog shirt.

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Speaker 1: They have a much more relaxed, lighthearted view of shootings

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Speaker 1: in the room.

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Speaker 2: On fire.

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Speaker 1: Shootings in the room. I mean, it's not even an

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Speaker 1: accidental shooting at the range or outdoors or something. We're

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Speaker 1: in a room with a number of people. A gun

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Speaker 1: gots off, somebody's been shot. You good, I've been shotting.

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Speaker 2: You good? You good? Everybody good? Okay, Yes, I was saying, wow,

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Speaker 2: you've different lived a different lifestyle than I have.

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Speaker 5: A right.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, what are your plans today? You guys A hungry

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Speaker 2: I'm hungry. Yeah. Crazy.

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Speaker 1: That other one, just the beginning part where the anchor

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Speaker 3: We want to get you to some breaking news just

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Speaker 3: out of our newsroom here at Fox thirteen. A man

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Speaker 3: is in the hospital after being shot in the leg overnight.

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Speaker 3: If the police say he was shot by his dog, seriously,

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's right. Uh. This happened just before

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Speaker 3: four a m. And the dog Hitney Avenue in the

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Speaker 3: Police say his dog jumped up on the bed. God

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Speaker 3: is Paul stuck in the trigger and ended up hitting

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Speaker 2: Man in the thigh. Wow. Four in the morning. I

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Speaker 2: ain't eating lambon rice anymore. Give me some real freaking food.

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Speaker 2: Was it a hunting dog? Boy?

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Speaker 1: So there's actual and of course some background checks. We

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Speaker 1: don't know any of those things. Gun loopholes, what went

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Speaker 2: Wow? Wow?

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Speaker 4: Well, and if I was going to make a serious

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Speaker 4: point about it, that's the very sort of person that

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Speaker 4: Democratic prosecutors would never enforce gun laws against.

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Speaker 2: They howl for more gun laws constantly. And then I'm confused.

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Speaker 2: You know what I walked into that didn't I?

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, perhaps it's best to just move on

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Speaker 4: to other fair I don't know why I enjoy giving

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Speaker 4: JIV names to uh features sets of stories, but I do.

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Speaker 2: Jack.

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Speaker 4: So you get the choice between golden state of confusion.

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Speaker 2: Or how markets really work.

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Speaker 4: I'll go with much more so just because the lack

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious after the ridiculousness.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So story number one why the US keeps

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Speaker 4: losing to China in the battle over critical minerals because

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Speaker 4: everybody knows that the minerals, the rarest the metals everybody's

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Speaker 4: talking about that go into so much new technology. He

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Speaker 4: world economy to a large extent.

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Speaker 2: And the obvious issue with.

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Speaker 4: That is that if we continue to be highly dependent

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Speaker 4: on China to come up with those materials, we're screwed

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Speaker 4: as an economy the minute they decide to tweak us

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Speaker 4: story of the effort to get a big giant New

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Speaker 4: America and our allies run graphite.

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Speaker 2: Mine, and.

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Speaker 4: The goal to challenge China's dominance over the world supply

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Speaker 4: of a critical mineral used in everything from electric vehicles

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Speaker 4: to submarine hubs and so this Australia based mining company

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Speaker 4: backed by more than one hundred million dollars of US

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Speaker 4: wasn't any discussion of this, but this is what our

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Speaker 4: giant government does. Opened a mine in Mozambique and built

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Speaker 2: But then things start to go off the rails.

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Speaker 4: China, which provides more than ninety percent of the world's

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Speaker 1: How many did the market? How many stories include China

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Speaker 1: supplies ninety eight percent of this or that way too many?

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Speaker 4: And whether Trump's plans bear fruit or not, and whether

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Speaker 4: He's allowed to even get the plans going fully is

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Speaker 4: anybody's guest. But this is the very sort of thing

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Speaker 4: that he and his advisors are trying to wean.

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Speaker 2: Us from, the sort of dependence.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, the gist of the story is so China,

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Speaker 4: which provides were ninety percent of the world's battery grade

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Speaker 4: and driving prices so low that this mine, this company

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Speaker 4: could not mine profitably.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Last May, the Biden administration delayed new rules that would

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Speaker 4: reasons that I don't recall, probably because they were trying

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Speaker 4: to get Shijin Ping to do something. In Mozambique, farmers

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Speaker 4: resettled from the mining company's mind staged protests, shutting down

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Speaker 4: the mining and the Louisiana plant, now open for a year,

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Speaker 4: company's stock is plunged by around ninety percent since the

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Speaker 4: start of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting, and once again the difficulties of a

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Speaker 1: an authoritarian entry. When one guy can make decisions in

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Speaker 2: That's tough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And as always, there's a lot more detail and

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Speaker 4: nuance to it, but we'll leave it here. I love, love, love,

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Speaker 4: love love the free market in so many ways. It's

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Speaker 4: lifted billions of people out of poverty, on lace new

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Speaker 4: medicines across the globe. It has profit is the reason

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Speaker 4: for charity. It's the reason charity exists. You have to

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Speaker 4: to charity. Anyway, as we retrench from the dream of globalization, though,

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Speaker 4: It's going to be really difficult anyway not to get

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Speaker 4: hung up on that, because you could talk about it

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Speaker 4: this was interesting how markets really are. Jack the rise

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Speaker 4: and fall of the Napa Valley of Cannabis. When Colorado

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Speaker 4: an enthusiastic county commissioner in Pueblo, said he wanted Pueblo

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Speaker 4: going to be paved with gold, recalled one resident. The

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Speaker 4: And then they talk about, you know, the classic meme,

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Speaker 4: how it started, how it's going. In the first weeks,

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Speaker 4: Everybody was just thrilled and happy. Decade and high decade later,

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Speaker 4: Pueblo's dreams have gone up in smoke. A once thriving

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Speaker 4: point eight million twenty twenty three, which is still a

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Speaker 4: pretty significant amount of money. And you could argue that

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Speaker 4: way it goes in capitalism.

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Speaker 2: But here's the problem. In California knows this too.

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Speaker 4: It's been a huge problem because the rosy rosy promise

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Speaker 4: is made to Californians in Colorados alike. Even after legalization,

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Speaker 4: illicit growers and sellers thrived, even right in Pueblo. Last year,

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Speaker 4: they accounted for seventy percent of the US market, according

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Speaker 4: to research companies. The black market dealers, unlike licensed ones,

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Speaker 4: face neither taxes nor red tape, so they're more efficient

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Speaker 4: and they're cheaper, and it's bad for your brain.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, man, if you're counting on enough people smoking

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Speaker 1: everything like that, that's just that's an interesting thing.

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Speaker 4: It is, and it's probably not a sustainable way to

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: Nationwide, only twenty seven percent of legal cannabis businesses are profitable,

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Speaker 4: which is two percent just three years ago.

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Speaker 2: Did not know that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, investment is dried up, restructurings are rising, and in Pueblo,

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Speaker 9: Any attempt as I think Trump knows, to mess with

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Speaker 5: It was right here, like doctor Kumate Jarrus who found

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Speaker 10: But your principles are I think for now, principles have

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Speaker 4: You know you could absolutely argue Elon Musk has brought

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Speaker 1: I just love the idea of driving around a giant

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Speaker 4: I see a crowd of beefy, angry university women surrounding

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Speaker 1: Seriously, if if Tesla becomes the political middle finger to

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Speaker 2: Man, I love it.

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Speaker 4: Well, what four years after it was a giant virtue

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy you just heard, he's been driving Tesla

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Speaker 1: The very beginning when it really was was unwieldy, and

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Speaker 1: don't you know whatever. So here's Elon being asking is

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Speaker 6: I mean the ways important in entitlement spending.

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Speaker 2: Which is this is forty we want forty.

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Speaker 11: They're setting fire to various Tesla charging stations near Boston.

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Speaker 11: Yes, downtown New York marching, marching against the Tesla's showroom.

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Speaker 2: Twitter got hacked yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whose starlink system sustains them, but he's

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Speaker 1: that they want to cut or waste that they're finding.

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Speaker 1: Is you know, which of these do you not agree with?

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Speaker 1: You don't agree that this program is blah blah, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's discuss that and all that sort of stuff. And

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Speaker 1: he's concerned that somebody's just gonna hear he's hitler who

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Speaker 1: doesn't pay attention to this stuff, and will want to

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Speaker 1: take him out, which absolutely could happen. I'm sure with

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Speaker 1: his money, he's got some pretty tremendous security, but he'll

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Speaker 1: have to live in fear of being in any sort

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Speaker 1: of public place the rest of his life.

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Speaker 2: Because of this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's practically a Salmon Rushti case at this point,

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Speaker 4: absolutely demonized.

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Speaker 1: And you know, and probably by extension maybe he is

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Speaker 1: any of his fifteen kids and that sort of thing,

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Speaker 1: which really really sucks. But what got him going on

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Speaker 1: this in the first place? At DOJE, I thought this

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Speaker 1: answer was good.

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Speaker 6: I mean, factly, I can't believe I'm here doing this.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of bizarre, but I kind of think that

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Speaker 6: the Yeah, we've got this enormous federal budget deficit, and

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Speaker 6: it's a true trillion dollar deficit. It keeps growing, our

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Speaker 6: interest payments are higher than our defense department budget. That's

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Speaker 6: I think was the real wake up call for me

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Speaker 6: was looking at seeing that the interest payments the national

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Speaker 6: debt exceeded the defense department budget, and that was only

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Speaker 6: growing over time, which meant if we didn't do something

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Speaker 6: about this, then there won't be any money for anything,

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Speaker 6: We'll just be servicing debt.

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Speaker 11: You've had some business experience, I'm kidding, but yeah, you

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Speaker 11: know about all this stuff.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean really, I just don't want America to

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Speaker 6: go bankrupt.

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Speaker 2: That is one hundred true.

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Speaker 4: What percentage of Americans do you think know that that

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Speaker 4: our interest lost, not our debt, just the interest on

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Speaker 4: the debt is greater than our defense spending.

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Speaker 2: Is it ten percent wouldn't be a lot.

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Speaker 1: But I do think a lot of people know that

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Speaker 1: we're on an unsustainable path.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people know that. A lot

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Speaker 2: of voters know that.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, and just are willing to ignore it, which is

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Speaker 1: worse than not knowing it. The fact that you do

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Speaker 1: know it and think, eh, deal with it next election,

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Speaker 1: or my kids will deal with it, or I don't

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Speaker 1: know what you're thinking.

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Speaker 4: What percentage of voters do you think, no, we're on

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Speaker 4: an unsustainable path.

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Speaker 1: God, I would think at this point half half to

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Speaker 1: don't they? I mean, you're really not paying attention.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The politicians don't really tell them, Mike. Most politicians, politicians

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Speaker 1: who lose in primaries tell them, but the politicians that

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Speaker 1: actually get elected aren't saying it out loud. Mike Johnson today,

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House, came out and he had to

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Speaker 1: because Elon brought up in titlements yesterday. Mike Johnson had

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Speaker 1: to come out as a Speaker of the House today

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Speaker 1: say no, although no, there's continuing resolution to keep the

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Speaker 1: government open. We gotta let you know entitlements are not

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Speaker 1: in that at all, no entitlement reform. He had to

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Speaker 1: calm people down that we might be adults.

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Speaker 4: Right, I think there you also have to factor in

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Speaker 4: the number of people who know that we're on an

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Speaker 4: unsustainable path, but are so because people believe what they

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Speaker 4: want to believe. They believe that it can be fixed

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Speaker 4: by tinkering around.

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Speaker 2: The edges of the budget.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's true. That's true of the people who think

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Speaker 1: this is a problem. A good chunk of them think

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Speaker 1: as soon as the billionaires have to pay their fair share.

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Speaker 4: Sure, or we cut out the waste in medicare that'll

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Speaker 4: pay for it.

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Speaker 2: What was the other thing?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I would love to talk to Mike Johnson, either

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Speaker 4: you know, off the record, or maybe I strap him

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Speaker 4: to a chair and jab him with some sodium penthal

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Speaker 4: or something. But I wonder if I could get him

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Speaker 4: to say or if he believes in his heart Joseph,

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Speaker 4: the only way you can reform entitlements is to lie

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Speaker 4: about it. The only way you can get in power

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Speaker 4: and do what needs to be done to save this

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Speaker 4: country's fiscal heinee, is to say you're not going to

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Speaker 4: and that's the plan. If you were even close to honest,

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Speaker 4: you would never be in office.

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Speaker 1: Well I get that, but that implies they're going to

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Speaker 1: do something about it, so.

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Speaker 2: I know that's that's Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the being honest they are they are when

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Speaker 1: it is a cataclysm, right, I think that's the honesty

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Speaker 1: is like, look, we're the country is not going to

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Speaker 1: deal with this until.

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Speaker 2: We are in trouble, actually in trouble. Yeah, it's just

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Speaker 2: the fact.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, I want to I want to get this

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Speaker 1: on because I thought this was a pretty good Another

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Speaker 1: clip that I wish everybody in the United States would

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Speaker 1: hear Elon talking about this.

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Speaker 6: What actually happens here is you've got this this through

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Speaker 6: vast federal bureaucracy, and then you've got a very thin

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Speaker 6: layer on top of the of the politically appointed officials.

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Speaker 6: And what tests happen is that the bureaucracy, frankly is

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Speaker 6: in control and they largely ignore the politically appointed people.

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Speaker 2: Why should the bureaucracy. I'm sure you best have seen that.

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Speaker 11: I've lived with this twice. I worked for Reagan many

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Speaker 11: years ago, and I worked for Trump in the first term. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: it's like a permanent bureaucracy, I might it's a permanently

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Speaker 11: liberal bureaucracy, Yes, very much so. And it doesn't it's

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Speaker 11: it's not a bureaucracy that necessarily enforces or implements presidential policy.

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Speaker 2: They don't.

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Speaker 6: In fact, they tried their best to thwart presidential policy.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of what percentage of people know?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 1: How many people know that there is a permanent DC

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Speaker 1: that runs most of stuff and our whole now the

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Speaker 1: people have spoken and we're going to get our way.

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Speaker 1: Thing is just a tiny little veneer on top of

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Speaker 1: that permanent DC right, which is why I have always

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Speaker 1: been against the term deep state, because it's kind of

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Speaker 1: become you know, conspiracy qan noni ish and some of

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Speaker 1: the stuff some of those folks talk about is it

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Speaker 1: does happen, but in terms of the foreign policy establishment

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Speaker 1: and their priorities. But I think it's much more accurate

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Speaker 1: and just useful to describe it as the permanent bureaucracy.

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Speaker 4: The machinery of government is human beings who, unlike a machine,

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Speaker 4: can resist the people trying to run the machine.

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Speaker 2: And they do it over and over again.

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Speaker 4: The Elon Musk is an unelected are you effing kidding me?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Well, the Democrats know it, though they have on their

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Speaker 4: side this massive, hundreds of thousands of people strong army

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Speaker 4: of we're not going to let the Conservatives change anything.

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Speaker 4: Every Secretary state runs into it, Every Secretary of Defense

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Speaker 4: runs into it. Once again, read the Robert Gates' book Duty.

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Speaker 4: That was the name of it was yeah, yeah, where

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Speaker 4: he is the secretary of Defense served under both parties,

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Speaker 4: couldn't get crap done because his own department would stein

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Speaker 4: his every attempt. And the idea that we will bring

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Speaker 4: on some sort of national disaster by trying to tame

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Speaker 4: that beast and reduce its bloat and wastefulness.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, how could you be in favor of it? What

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Speaker 1: an interesting period we're going through. The world's richest man

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Speaker 1: has become a political lightning rod trying to like overhaul

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Speaker 1: our government. Kind is just been an advisor and people

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Speaker 1: are attacking him.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea the tariffs.

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Speaker 4: While the geopolitics, both trade and of warfare are changing fundamentally,

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Speaker 4: it looks like, yeah, spicy.

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Speaker 1: Times his seed oil the new Hitler, among other things

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Speaker 1: we could talk about.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 12: The seed oil is one of the components of process foods,

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Speaker 12: and that is you know, all the science and that

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Speaker 12: algebraz has food the principal culprit in this extraordinary explosion

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Speaker 12: the epidemic we have of chronic disease.

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Speaker 1: At some point, I suppose we should talk about seed

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Speaker 1: oil the Hitler of foods currently Wow, But that's a

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Speaker 1: discussion for another time.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps Next Hour.

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Speaker 4: If you don't get Next Hour, grab the podcast, subscribe

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Speaker 4: to it Armstrong and Getty on demand. So I touched

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Speaker 4: on this way earlier in the show, but I thought

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Speaker 4: we could play a fun, fun game. This is part

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Speaker 4: of the lecture series at the University of California Berkeley

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Speaker 4: Social Sciences School, which are not sciences at all, including

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Speaker 4: Decolonizing Gender and sexualities, epistomes, subjects, rationalities, artivisms, practices, and movements.

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Speaker 1: You can take a class or go to a lecture

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Speaker 1: called Decolonizing Gender.

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Speaker 2: What the hell gets even better than that? And here's

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Speaker 2: the game we're gonna play. Now.

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Speaker 4: If you're driving, we urge you to exercise caution, but

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Speaker 4: play along with us. Now, count on your fingers the

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Speaker 4: number of terms you either don't know what that means

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Speaker 4: or phrases that you can't imagine what they mean. And

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Speaker 4: we'll say play along at home, Katie. I would love

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Speaker 4: for you to do this if you have time. They

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Speaker 4: lecturers Theory of Water, hosted by Leanne Betsa Somaki Simpson.

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Speaker 4: I apologize Leanne if I have Missprenashim.

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 4: Theory of Water uses Mishi Sagi ignish Nabi consciousness to

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Speaker 4: dismantle and think beyond the present moment in the face

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Speaker 4: of ongoing genocides, extinct glaciers, police killings, children alone in

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Speaker 4: cages at borders, the resurgence of fascist states, and a

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Speaker 4: Dying Planet, Simpson asks what does it mean? As Rebecca

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Speaker 4: Belmore asks us in Wave Sound to listen to water?

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Speaker 2: What does it mean?

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Speaker 4: As Dion Brand writes through her diaspora consciousness and by

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Speaker 4: inventorying the quotidian disasters of our time in her epic.

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Speaker 2: Poem no or to quote, Believe in Water.

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Speaker 4: Using Nishnabi origin stories, poetry, and thinking alongside writers and artists,

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Speaker 4: these essays turn to water as a generative space for

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Speaker 4: world making against empire, within the network of life that

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Speaker 4: makes up this planet. One more sentence, theory of Water

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Speaker 4: immerses the reader into water as a liminal space resistant

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Speaker 4: to regiment, and considers future formations for life beyond our

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Speaker 4: current collective imaginings.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would have to be.

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Speaker 1: A circus freak with seven fingers on each hand to count.

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Speaker 4: Do you have the slightest idea what you would hear

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Speaker 4: in that talk?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: And the sort of person that would gleefully go to

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Speaker 1: that There's no way they understand all that stuff, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I, dude, I have no idea what you just said,

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Speaker 2: hands toes, yeah, nostrils the.

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Speaker 4: I think it's well, Jack to your point, and that's

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Speaker 4: part of the woke thing. Is they or their intellectual

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Speaker 4: overlords invent all of this vocabulary and then the kids

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Speaker 4: throw it around and angrily lecture you if you don't

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Speaker 4: understand the liminal space resistant to regiment. And but some

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Speaker 4: of some of the words, like equity to the untrained

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Speaker 4: ear sound like well, that sounds like equality. Our whole

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Speaker 4: country is based on that, So I guess I'm in

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Speaker 4: favor of this. It's how they win some of these

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Speaker 4: arguments just by perverting the language. But yeah, evidently like

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Speaker 4: whack a doodle poets are going to jabber about water.

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Speaker 4: That's as close as I can come to having any

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Speaker 4: idea what that event is.

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Speaker 1: You know, knock that out of the park, as if

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Speaker 1: they had Kamala Harris teach that class.

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Speaker 2: Oh that reminds me, do we have time for this?

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