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Speaker 1: The Colin Cawd Podcast, presented by FanDuel Sports Book. Hi Everybody,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday Podcast. What a character Former LSU head coach Orgeron, who,

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Speaker 1: with the help of Joe Burrow, guided LSU to another

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Speaker 1: national title. He'll be joining us today to talk about

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Speaker 1: that recruiting fight to get Joe Burrow and about the

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Speaker 1: transfer portal the NIL. You know, I'm not saying I'd

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Speaker 1: be capable of running a league, but this is something

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Speaker 1: that stumps me. Why do all these leagues not consider

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Speaker 1: the playoffs when voting on MVPs. I don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the TV metrics, nobody really watches

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Speaker 1: the NBA regular season. The reason though Lebron's got a

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Speaker 1: great statistical advantage over MJ. But we cling to MJ

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Speaker 1: as the best player is six for six in the finals.

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Speaker 1: Yet we don't count the postseason in the MBA's MVP voting. Well,

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Speaker 1: when we define players, it's all about the postseason. I

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Speaker 1: said six weeks ago, I would vote Joe Burrow the

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Speaker 1: MVP of the NFL, not Aaron Rodgers, because even though

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Speaker 1: Aaron's clearly important to the Packers, they have a history

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Speaker 1: of winning pre Aaron Rodgers their well run and I

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Speaker 1: think Aaron has less to overcome than Joe Burrow. Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrows got the cheapest owner, Joe Burrows got an average

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Speaker 1: front office. Joe Burrow had Zach Taylor, who is six

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Speaker 1: twenty five and one before Burrow got there. It's not

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Speaker 1: an organization with great continuity or a history of great

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Speaker 1: free agent signings, so Burrow's overcoming more. That's one argument.

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Speaker 1: When you add the playoff success, winning on the road

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Speaker 1: at Arrowhead on the road at Tennessee, being out gained

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Speaker 1: by the Raiders and winning. How are we not considering

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Speaker 1: the postseason for the National Football League Most Valuable Player?

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Speaker 1: Who's the greatest quarterback of all time? Dan Marino's the

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Speaker 1: most talented arguably, and they went a Super Bowl. It's

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady second, is Joe Montana, third, Elway, fourth, Peyton Manning.

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Speaker 1: They've all got titles. It's one of the mysteries to

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Speaker 1: me about sports. I've never only understood it. We define

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Speaker 1: legacies with championships. Overwhelmingly, it's the knock on Barkley, the

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Speaker 1: knock on Dan Marino. Why aren't they considered in most

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Speaker 1: Valuable Player voting? And I'll say it again, Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: means more to Cincinnati than Aaron Rodgers means to green Bay.

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Speaker 1: That's not to say Green Bay is the same quality

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Speaker 1: franchise without Aaron Rodgers, but he succeeded Brett Farve. They

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Speaker 1: had Bart Starr. It's been the second or third biggest

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Speaker 1: is the only Northern franchise without an indoor practice facility.

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Speaker 1: They don't make trades. Their business models out of the

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Speaker 1: seventies and Joe Burrows got them in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I just don't get it. I'm just without answers on this.

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Speaker 1: When you look at Burrow and Aaron Rodgers, who feels

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Speaker 1: more valuable to the franchise? Is it even close? Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: I know that? Because if not for Cleveland, they would

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Speaker 1: have been the last fifteen years. But now that Cleveland

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Speaker 1: team in that division. Without Joe Burrow, They're a little

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Speaker 1: more than a field goal underdog in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I could run a league, but the

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Speaker 1: Player voting, to me is ridiculous. Lincoln Riley, formerly of

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Speaker 1: what's so weird to me. The governor has had Lincoln

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Speaker 1: You can't get over her. Watching Oklahoma one of the

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Speaker 1: the SEC absolutely terrifies them. Folks, coaches leave, players leave.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think it's strange watching Oklahoma media, the governor,

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Speaker 1: and fans react. They're trying to fool us. It's not

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Speaker 1: the same way Brian Kelly left Notre Dame for LSU

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Speaker 1: You know, there's not a ton to do in Norman, Oklahoma. Hell,

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Speaker 1: the foundation for a lot of state pride. And another

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Speaker 1: power conference came in, Another power program came in and

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Speaker 1: stole their coach. He upgraded, and it's an obvious upgrade.

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Speaker 1: California has one hundred and fifty Division One players a year.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma has probably closer to eighteen to twenty. It's an

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Speaker 1: much easier to access the College Football Playoff. But the

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Speaker 1: reaction from Oklahoma has been so telling. I never thought

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Speaker 1: Where would you want to live, La or Norman, Oklahoma?

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Speaker 1: You're Lincoln Riley? The Dallas Cowboys wanted you. Where would

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Speaker 1: It's not a toughie. Kevin Durant left Oklahoma to go

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Speaker 1: more things to do. It's nothing against Oklahoma, but the

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Speaker 1: was a study done years ago, and it's fairly predictable that,

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Speaker 1: That's not the way it is at your Ohio States.

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Speaker 1: People were deeply offended that Jim Harbaught interviewed for an

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Speaker 1: if you try and pro style, you're not gonna score

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Speaker 1: enough points. You gotta be physical. But the spread office,

425
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: I think it's here to stay for one. Yeah. So

426
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: you're a young guy, you're in great shape, you feel

427
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: good about yourself when you look at the transfer portal.

428
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: Here's what bothers me. I'm for kids making money and moving,

429
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: but d there's no damn guardrails. You could lose your

430
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: right tackle because you didn't start him, and in week

431
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: four he could leave. What do you do? What do

432
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: you make of the transfer portal? Yeah? I think it's

433
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: wild right now, it's really wild, and it's really little

434
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: his player friendly. And you spent so much time recruiting

435
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: a player, you spent a lot of money. You go

436
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: there and all of a sudden, he's gonna leave. Yeah,

437
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: I think that there's something that you gotta have some

438
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: guidelines on can leave and when they can leave. I

439
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: think that's very very important. Are you worried about nil

440
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: that people now will just buy high schoolers? What is happening?

441
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: Rights happened? And look, you know, I do believe again

442
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: that this has to be governed somehow. There's got to

443
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: be some stipulation on how you do it. Right now

444
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: is the wild wild West, and the people with the

445
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: most money are gonna get the recruiters. I'm gonna tell

446
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: you what n I M. If you offer a kid

447
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: a million dollars and I'm recruiting the kid and I

448
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: have a great program, and I give him five hundred dollars,

449
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: he's going to But you have to have the money,

450
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: and you have to have a place with resources that

451
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: have the money. So LSU, even though it's not considered

452
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: a rich state, they bought you out. They paid for

453
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly. Give me you've always known how big football

454
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: is in the South. Give me an example, like if

455
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,239
Speaker 1: you lost a game at LSU and you went out

456
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: to dinner, would fans come up and talk to you

457
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: with the donors calling complain to you. First of all,

458
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: they go out the dinner. Let me go out if

459
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: we want it off. I went to home many of

460
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: the during ham Sandwich went the bad man. I was

461
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: not very social and met rouge. I've never been, especially

462
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: when I was coaching. I didn't want to put myself

463
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: in that atmosphere. But I do believe that the fans

464
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: expect to win. They're always good to be. They're always

465
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: good to be an athletic director, it's good to be.

466
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: But you know what I always said, block out the noise.

467
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: They have those, uh the things on the internet, the computer.

468
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't read this. I don't want it. I don't know,

469
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: because it would poison my mind. Sure, And I asked

470
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: our players not to read it. I know what to do.

471
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: I asked our coaches not to read it because during

472
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: the day you may coach a certain way, you may

473
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: react a certain week because of what you read, or

474
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: somebody to put it on the internet, which should not

475
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: affect us anyway. So you told your players stay away

476
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: from that, about out the noise, stealth and I don't

477
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: believe that stuff. And even it was it was good, Look,

478
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: we're going to win. The National championship. Yay. The Heisman

479
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: trophy comes alone. During the season, we meet some teams

480
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: that there was a trophy. Our team didn't even pick

481
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: it up. I wouldn't matter. Is that goes that we

482
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: find we got we wanted The other years we picked

483
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: it up and then were rather on the stadium with it.

484
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: They will focus on one thing that was winning the

485
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: national championship. We always talked about team in our meeting.

486
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: We're never talking about individual accomplish no MVP, no hiding

487
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: the trophy, all about the team and Joe stay focused.

488
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: With Heisman trophy came up, nobody talked about it. If

489
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: you took your best USC team and your National championship

490
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: LSU team, what would the game look like? It'd be

491
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: one heck of a game. It would be one heck

492
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: of a game. I'll tell you what. The USA has

493
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: a great team, Reggie Bush and Matt Leiner, and that

494
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: defense we had, and the deepense and the play the

495
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: players that we had an l shoe, It'd be one

496
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: heck of a game. You know, I always point to

497
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: the linebacking crew you had that Clay Matthews couldn't start.

498
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: Remember you had Maluga Rivers a Cushing you're and then

499
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews couldn't start. He goes to the NFL and

500
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: wins NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. Clay Matthews a

501
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: walk on. I got him to walk home. Pete Carroll

502
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: called me when I was at Old Miss he's a coach.

503
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: You don't complieve this, Matthews. Guys, he's grown. I think

504
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: he's goold be a heck of a player. He and

505
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: his brother came with us, and his brother was very big,

506
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: great young man. I think he's having a lot of success.

507
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: But I was involved in that. I couldn't believe the

508
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: way that Clay grew up and a great play was

509
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: LA's USC. Pete Carroll did a great job of recruiting.

510
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: The guy. Knew what he was. What did you learn

511
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: from Pete? A lot of stuff to compete to wake up.

512
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: He had positive attitude, the energy that he had come

513
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: on heading to the school. We'd hit fourteen schools and

514
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: Los Angeles we were rolling in and he didn't stop

515
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: every every day. Pete Carroll was the same. But the

516
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: one thing that I don't know if people really noticed

517
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: about Pete. He's a disciminarian. He don't put up a nothing. Now,

518
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's the happy, go lucky guy. He makes

519
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: everybody feel good. But when we went watching the tape,

520
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: every every time we had practice, coaches would go, he

521
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: had media. He'd come back in that tables on and boy,

522
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: if you're player didn't do the right thing, you felt

523
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: like he made you feel that small in a way

524
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: of of yelling screaming, but you felt like you were lawyer.

525
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: He didn't want to let him out, and he tried

526
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: to fix everything. His team's got better as the season

527
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: went along because his knowledge of football. You know, it's

528
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: interesting you said that you were so much better a

529
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: coach at LSU than Old Miss because you learned. If

530
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: you got another job, what would you take from Old

531
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: Miss and go okay, I'm not gonna from LSU and say, okay,

532
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that again. Yeah, you know, I

533
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: think the hiring of coaches it really uh you know

534
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: sometimes but there were a great coach to hire sometimes,

535
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: didn't you know, didn't been out. I'm a get after

536
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: a guy, a recruiter. I coached the defensive line or

537
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: the team. I myself personally, I need great offense and

538
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: defensive coording. Then now do I know it? Yeah, but

539
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: I never called a play, So I think the strongest

540
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: I would be would be with a great offensive coordinating

541
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: a great defensive coording. Sometimes I had it, sometimes didn't.

542
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: So you know, your career is pretty amazing. You were

543
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: with Jimmy Johnson when you were very early, and Jimmy

544
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: tells great stories about you. I mean he really does.

545
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: He tells fascinating stories. If I said to you, give

546
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: me something about Jimmy you talked about Pete, give me

547
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: something about Jimmy Johnson that he taught you. Let me

548
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: say this to you. The first day that I walked

549
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: on the football field the University of Miami, I learned

550
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: how to coach. That was it. I felt it. I

551
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: saw it. One of the greatest, the greatest on the

552
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: field coach him and his staff that I've ever seen.

553
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: Those practices at the University of Miami. What excellent those

554
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: players practice hard, those coaches coach hard. I just loved

555
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: the intensity. I'd never been around anything like that in

556
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: my life. The first day I've learned how the coach

557
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: of Jimmy Johnson, I loved being with him every day.

558
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: He was so smart, he was so intens We was

559
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: like getting a shotgun office. Yeah, coach would go work out.

560
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: Everybody go work out. He'd have his hair effixing right,

561
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: to have his hair effix obviously right, and he walked

562
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 1: in would be ready for practice. And if coach would

563
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: walk down, you can see him walking down the hall,

564
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: and if he'd be smiling a good mood, you keep

565
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: on walking. But boy, if he had that look in

566
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: the face, man I took that first door I could.

567
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: I didn't want to pass him at all. But he

568
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: had that posiga about him that everybody followed and everybody respected.

569
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: And you didn't want to You didn't want to upset Jimmy,

570
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: just like Pete. I was gonna say, what you're talking

571
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: about with both of them is sort of a presence

572
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: that you could sense it when they walked into a room.

573
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: You could feel it. Yes, no question, both of them,

574
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: and they were both the boss. You wanted. You wanted

575
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: to be part of it. You wanted to be at work.

576
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: You knew you was getting better, you knew your teams

577
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: were gonna win. You saw the confidence in them every day,

578
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: and and the work that they did on daily basis.

579
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: Every day is where I learned how to be head coach.

580
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: Who is and you're known as a top ten college

581
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: football recruiter, ever, you may be top three. Who's the

582
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: toughest guy to ever recruit against him? Why? You know?

583
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: I think the Tasha the party came on at the end.

584
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: The guy was phenomenal. Tasha Lapoy. Yeah, he took on

585
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: and he came into back back then to back go

586
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: over whatever it was back then. Yeah, man, he started.

587
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: He was a good recruiter. I remember him. Kevin Steele

588
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: in the South. You go get Kevin Steele, you better

589
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: be ready. I mean, he's gonna coach, He's gonna stay

590
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: on top of him. But I think if you look

591
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: at the greatest recruiter ever, you gotta say it's Nick

592
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: season phenomenal, phenomenal recruiter. The guys were relenting us to

593
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: look at his team, the guys that talented. I would

594
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: say Nick Saban is the greatest recruiter in tale footballs

595
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: Is he is it the salesman part? Is it his homework?

596
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there were times that you walked

597
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: into a house an hour after Nick was there. What

598
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: makes him great? I think he's relentless his evaluation of talent.

599
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: He knows, he knows the team that he wants to choose.

600
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: Look at his team, they look like the NFL teams.

601
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: And I do believe that he's relentless on the phone calls.

602
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: I do believe that the parents love him. I've been

603
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: in meetings with him at the SEC. The guy's very intelligent.

604
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: He can't be nice, you know, he could put on

605
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: that charming uh talk. I talked to Pete Jakobs. You know,

606
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: the mother's love him, and the players don't even gonna win.

607
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: And I talked to Doug Moron, Doug Maroon and I

608
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: was at Syracuse. He gones goes. Make no doubt the

609
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: reason everybody goes to Alabama. And because of Nick said,

610
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: in all your years of recruiting, sometimes a kid's not

611
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: a five star guy. Sometimes he's a two or three

612
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: star guy. Is there a player could have been at Usc,

613
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: could have been an old mess, could have an LSU

614
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: that you fought for. The staff didn't love him, and

615
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: you said, I see something, and he became your proudest

616
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: recruiting moment. Mike Patterson. Here here's the story. A coach

617
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: Hackett was here and I was on the stand. Mike

618
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: was five to eleven at the best. Coach Hackett, you

619
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: know from the NFL, wanted bigger, a defensive arty and

620
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: wanted now are Russell sixty three sixty four? They he

621
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: wont Mike. Okay, So Pete comes and we started to

622
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: recruiting to get it goo. Anybody needs some defensive linement,

623
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: you got it, I said, Coach, I have one a

624
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: little shark because I don't care about short any pleasant. Yes,

625
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: So Mike, Mike had some qualification issues and I told him,

626
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: I said, Mike, whatever you do now, you better get algeible. Yes, sir,

627
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: so you remember the California takes the soul the store again? Yes,

628
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: all right, So beating nevil salt, Mike. He just trusted me.

629
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: Mike look like he weighed about three hundred and fifty pounds.

630
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: He was getting double team during the game and knocked

631
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: off the ball. He was so out of shape. My

632
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: phone was ringing Pete Carroll, Pete Carroll, and normally I

633
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: know that answer the first ring, and my wife back

634
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: then says, you're not going answer it. I said, no,

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Speaker 1: it's about what about the third call? Yes, goes Eddie.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing, I said, coach, trust me, trust me,

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Speaker 1: Just trust me, Eddie, you better be able to play.

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Speaker 1: So the next the next day, I had Mike Patterson

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Speaker 1: at six o'clock in the morning on the USC's field running,

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Speaker 1: meeting him, just meeting him, got dressed. I said, Mike,

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Speaker 1: what happened? He said, Coach, you told me all that

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Speaker 1: the news. Get it ultible. I went home. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know what those coaches told me. Mike's gonna do

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Speaker 1: exactly what you tell him. I didn't talk to Michael

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Speaker 1: by getting shaped. I didn't talked to mikeel Bunt anything.

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Speaker 1: I thought to Michael by get up. You know what

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Speaker 1: he did. So it told me something about the young man.

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Speaker 1: So the next day is a Monday, all the freshman

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Speaker 1: reporter and we have a big four quarter deal. At

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Speaker 1: six o'clock in the morning, Mike passes out. We get

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Speaker 1: we get in the staff role. Now I'm the recruiting

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Speaker 1: quarter and assistant the coach. I said, right there, Pete,

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Speaker 1: this is what he said. We will never recruit a

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Speaker 1: guy like Mike Patterson again. And all the staff is

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Speaker 1: going as a coach. I understand Mike Patterson will be

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Speaker 1: a player. Mike Patterson lost weight, kind of shape. I

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Speaker 1: think it's a three time All American first round draft choice,

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Speaker 1: played in the NFL for ten years, graduated from graduated

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Speaker 1: from USC and he had to work hard in academics.

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Speaker 1: Mike Patterson was a great young man. What the greatest

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Speaker 1: young man that I ever recruited. And I was so proud.

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Speaker 1: I was just happy third out to be a player.

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Speaker 1: People's mad, every man isn't that great? You know what?

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Speaker 1: But it I will say this, Sometimes ed young people

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Speaker 1: just need one person to believe in him. That's right.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, you know what happened. I believe that, Mike.

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Speaker 1: But you know what happened. I gave the Carol's trust

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Speaker 1: as a coach. I got him. Trust me, he's going

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Speaker 1: to be a player. Trust me, he's going to be

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Speaker 1: a player. And you know, as a head coach, if

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Speaker 1: assistant coach told me that, and also everything turn out

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Speaker 1: the way it be. You gave more trust, you gave

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Speaker 1: more value with the head coach. What a pleasure at

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Speaker 1: ors you're on. I could sit and talk to you

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Speaker 1: for three hours a day. I love recruiting, I always have.

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Speaker 1: I'm totally into it. It's just a pleasure. You're a

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Speaker 1: busy guy and I'm going to see at the Vaulume party.

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Speaker 1: I want you to stop by. The food and the

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Speaker 1: drinks are really good, and we may just have a

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Speaker 1: spot free in our podcast network ed. We pay pretty

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Speaker 1: good you know, we pay pretty good rates. I'm open, man, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm open recruited. I'm getting me. Let me see your

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Speaker 1: recruiting skills. We'll pay much great to seeing your coach.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Man, appreciate you. Ed orser on Man. That

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Speaker 1: was fun. The volume